Think Twice before sending Discord Messages
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 8 มิ.ย. 2024
- Every single time you send a Discord message, there is a good chance that behind your back a bot or a selfbot is saving your message. Whether to train AI, doxx you, or track you across Discord.
Now this was and still is a big problem on Discord. Malicious actors could use Discord bots to scrape messages on public servers. But in the past week things have changed. Is it for the better? Well I cant spoil the video geez. But regardless of what Discord does, should you let your guard down or should you think twice before sending that raunchy message to your egirl.
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00:00 - Your messages are being saved.
00:45 - Why should I care?
01:37 - Discord's flaw
02:23 - Discord nerdy bot talk
04:53 - Discord did something!!1!!1!!
05:49 - A pay-to-stalk website
07:02 - Selfbots are a problem
07:21 - How to stop them? - วิทยาศาสตร์และเทคโนโลยี
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Moral of the story: don't send anything on the internet that you won't tell/show a random stranger. Even the best security will be breached, and we all know that most things have really bad security
this is not even close to what one would consider "the best security" and "the best security" can absolutely be relied on for securing internet communications, if the military can trust PGP encryption over email, so can you
@@mega_gamer93sounds like something a fed would say
@@mega_gamer93OP probably wasnt referring to the video as "best security", i think they just meant the best security in general
@@mega_gamer93 and there have been breaches and leaks for the US government lol
Moral of the story: don't sebd anything on the internet that you won't tell/show a random stranger. Even the best security will be breached, and we all know that most things have really bad security
I honestly feel bad for the person who has to read my messages.
Reverse Ratio
@@alexcat6W
Same here, those poor souls
Fr.
the fact that scams are appearing even more quicker as NTTS will upload a video explanation of it is hilarious
i think he is doing this intentionally so it wouldn't be used after the video
@@Hitch_Trailblazeror more people try to use it leading to discord more likely taking action if more scammers try to scam people.
lol true
Those damn stalkers never give up on being the biggest losers on the internet, oh wait I forgot 4chan exists..
i mean NTTS isnt wrong about him being chronically online 😂😂
"doing this breaks discord terms of service" like that matters
yeah if discord didn't ban mee6 it won't ban them
@@_tr11 It's more about the fact that unless someone massively screws up, loggers are undetectable.
Discord breaks their own terms of service actually
@@ammo777 how?
A naked man fears no pickpocket.
but someone can still grab his balls.
@@idontlikehandlesremovethem"He's out of line, but he's right."
@idontlikehandlesremovethem he means a account that has nothing to lose cause balls aren't big of deal
@@donaldducksaverussia8923 are you saying that male fertility isn't important
@@cygnus-nk3tz yes
So, news flash, you don't need a bot to do that. When someone deletes the message on discord, discord server sends a "delete message with this id" message to all clients connected. Any client modification or self-bot can just ignore that request, heck, even if was respected, message logging happened the moment message was sent, it doesn't matter what happens later, it's already in a database.
Discord chats are public. Treat it as public space, don't ever post personal data on it.
Yeah, deletions are a request, not a requirement of the client and the server can't really make the client have it deleted.
as someone who is in 200+ discord servers and only uses dm groups, i see this as an absolute win.
More than 200? Very cool
You aren't though, because that's past even the nitro limit.
@@Maple38 u missed the joke
isn't the nitro limit 200 servers?
200+?
As someone who owns/moderates a few discord servers of varying size: yeah. Any discord server with competent-enough staff will have a bot that logs deleted messages. Usually in a staff-only channel. It’s great for moderation! So please do not send your address in big servers- the staff can see it. Will they use it? Doubtful. But the staff, and anyone with a 3rd party logger, can see it. Hell, I log *edited* messages too in my servers.
Stay safe.
even any media you sent on discord will basically going to be publicly available, everything has downsides and upsides and i just really prefer discord for some reason
same thing happened to me, got my discord account banned cause i jokingly said i was 12 ever since i was too late to recover my account cause i rarely ever cared for discord
100% agree.
I delete records of deleted messages with personal info and it’s only available in a private channel which only 5 or so of us has access to so.
I legit do that as well in my servers.
Security is a nitro only feature
Yup, you gotta pay ten dollars to even have security 💀
Or someone has to be kind enough to even give you nitro (I did get gifted nitro but it’s ending in 3-4 days)
For no apparent reason, just a small reminder that EU citizens can request their personal data from any company in the world, including requesting the purpose/legal basis for collection, the storage duration, data sources, how they are processing it etc. They also have the right to erasure, where they can force the company to delete most of your personal data (except for some very special legal exceptions, but chat messages etc shouldn't fall under that) So, if you were to see some analytics website in a random video, that could have personal data about you (usernames count), you could send them such a data request and after they answered, you could then use your right to erasure afterwards (or at the same time, but then they can first delete your data and send you an empty response the the data request, making it easier for them).
RIP non EU citizenz
US also has this
@@mollthecoder They even have the Chinese Great Wall. They have the whole universe.
oh yeah! i did that for fun once.... uh.. i never got it tho
EU doesn't have jurisdiction over every company in the world.
Yeah, Discord users _thinking_ seems a little too foreign of an idea to me.
I think revolt is better than discord
NTTS inspires me.. My parents said if i get 60K followers They'd buy me a professional camera for recording..begging u guys , literally
Begging..
@@namantherockstarthis is TH-cam not tiktok it's subscribers not followers
has ntts taught you nothing about bots cuz that is clearly one begging for subscribers using copy pasted text
@@yaysuu NTTS inspires me.. My parents said if i get 60K followers They'd buy me a professional camera for recording..begging u guys , literally
Begging..
Remember, there are people whose response to this is "I have nothing to hide!"
>posts message to public chatroom
>message is posted publicly
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@@mega_gamer93posts comment to public video...
Surprised face
You hide things on public servers? Bad opsec right there.
@@something4922 accidental message sends happen... I don't even use Discord.
the same people who want strict laws would say that
My main discord account got disabled recently for apperantly being "underage", I'm 19 and I found this weird, Turns out some kid reported a message that I said "I admit I'm 4" After being told I'm a kid constantly.
Anyway I appealed for a revoke and they declined it for...photo being blurred out even though it's not blurred out...
Discord staff is actually trash and hella slow and they don't even care about their members or fanbase.
Discord admins high-fiving themselves for getting a totally legit 4-year-old permabanned while there are no other problems on their platform
i think discord hired one actual dev, because in the last two weeks, they have added 2 features, and fixed one issue. Truly a new era.
Well if they use my messages to train AI then it wont last long, for the AI that is
the AI would be dumb as fuck
(i meant that message above if the ai trained me)
@@StarSkies- your not the one that posted that comment
@@StarSkies-imagine faking that that person is you 💀
No offense, but the AI is going to be more stupid than it was before. Discord isn't really a place for much smart talk, and AI utilizing all of that data is pretty much a straight shot to a lobotomy.
You shouldn’t even have to be this cautious on discord
Yeah you shouldn’t be
You're literally talking to strangers on the internet.
it's discords job to keep everybody safe on their platform@@MithicSpirit
NTTS inspires me.. My parents said if i get 60K followers They'd buy me a professional camera for recording..begging u guys , literally
Begging..
@@namantherockstarnuh uh lil bro i will spread your cheeks if i eva catch you again
The fact limzo is within ToS but Vencord isnt is disgusting
stealing and selling user information is fine, but god forbid we make the app better 💀
@@Just_a_Piano_ HOW DARE YOU USE THIRD PARTY SOFTWARE TO MAKE OUR APP MORE USER FRIENDLY. Oh yeah you can sell our users info 👍👍
ooo its so scawy to not spend money, am i right guys!
As someone who doesnt use discord i see this as an absolute win
what are you even doing on this channel then my bro ? XD
@@oxymore13 idk
Same, I'm just here for the discord news and humor
As someone who doesn’t understand this I see this as absolutely confusing
same here!
it's not like the government isn't already saving all my messages anyways after the incident
This problem is pretty much impossible to solve on Discord's end. There's no way to stop self-bots that does not infringe on the privacy of general users. You can't just tell all users to show their ID, and if you did that anyways, I'd bet that the average self-bot user actually has more IDs than the average user. Discord does encourage people to share a lot of info by nature, since it tends to engage people in real-time conversations where you have less time to think over what you say, but people need to realize this and just think more carefully rather than complaining to management who can do practically nothing.
*The spy has already breached our defenses.*
This is illegal in the EU. You can sue the sh*t out of these people.
Imagine this guy's surprise when you ask for your data and sees what Discord gives him.
Big brain move, be anti-social and dont be on discord servers and everything is solved
Bigger brain move, just don't use discord
As someone who ran a python/PHP bot about 15 years ago, this is nothing new. I had a chat bot that not only let me see who said what in a command prompt, live, but also recorded it to a txt file. As creepy as that sounds, I used it to debug chat commands such as Spin the Bottle, IdleRPG, room greeter and a prototype where it would try to have a decent coverstation (never finished or worked out, that last one).
As online safety is concerned, just always assume any bot is always recording everything, to drop in on you or otherwise.
Its likely that almost all public servers(and a lot of private servers) already have logs. How much they log is upto the server but almost everything is. In my private servers, some of them have logs, others have transparent logs where everyone can see - but if something went against someones privacy, id delete from logs. Generally we tend to avoid things that are private information. Like when someone sends their whole address in a server, another member may use to dox it. But I believe in my team that they willl not use the information for malicious perposes and disregard it. Personal safety is important guys. If you think youll regret sending it, even a tiny sliver, sdont send it
NTTS, thank you for your contribution to society. Seriously, I mean that unironically.
Next vid: "Think twice before reacting to a message" 💀💀
LOL there's already a case ready for that drama 😂 remember when Facebook introduced reacts? Yeah, the first thought of many was "they're trying to track our emotional responses"...
Actually yes, bots can view your reactions. I was mind blown to learn this. A server I am in has a custom bot and I learnt this when we had a case where he had to have the bot watch whos reacting what in which channel.
@@Janna13011 A simpler case would be the so-called "reaction role" bots, which are still prevalent, and were necessary before onboarding existed, although they sometimes use the newer interactions nowadays.
@@Janna13011 how is that mind blowing? if a user can see something so can a bot
I'm so mad I can't just mass delete my discord messages I gotta
1. Look for something to figure out every server I've joined
2. Manually search for messages in various chats and delete them (which is definitely suspicious)
3. Delete my account.
This has to break the right to be forgotten law or something
Shoutout to my friend [NAME REDACTED] who said the hard R
ima be honest im a moderater of a server who has a simelair bot but we use it to block nsfw content and nobody is ever stupid to send personal stuff in the server idk why i commented this but i just wana say this dude is one the best people ever for making everyone aware of multiple stuff (including discord stuff)
when i had discord, i received NO videos related to discord, now 1 year later, i've been recommended hundreds of discord videos
POV: Me deleting a whole paragraph I typed to someone
Also, people who know how to program can make a script which connects to Discord as a client and saves messages.
From there, you can do whatever you want. Heck, you could even make your own gateway to chat with people just by using the script or create commands to listen to and send messages accordingly when a command is sent from another user.
The limits are essentially non-existent with a custom client that you program yourself.
Damn, I didn't even realize that the stuff I sent before can be somewhere publically...
Me sending messages rn:
discord users cant read so they made a bot to read for them 🤯🤯
And this is why I deleted discord a year ago. I occasionally see my friends who still use discord, the interface, it's completely changed. No more tags, only usernames. New AI scams. All sorts of shit. If I ever return, I will do it under the vanguard of an alt account (or multiple ones).
"dont know why people are wasting their resource on just scanning all these messages". This information is of so much value for anything. its a huge amount of data from online users talking unfiltered on a variety of interests.
even deleting it without a bot being in a server that can track your deleted messages in the server, there are people like me with message loggers
Thing is... discord "fixing" the bots viewing messages in discovery isn't a "win". Since normal user accounts can view it, so can bots using normal user accounts. And discords ToS will do absolutely nothing to solve this because even IF discord actually bothered banning people for this, they could have a new account up and running in 30 seconds and continue message logging.
To fix this discord would need to change discovery, and also implement captcha options for server join... and they won't do it because if it doesn't make them big money they don't care.
Message logging doesn't show up on discords radar as api abuse. They also are not going to harm user experience just to stop people who will just evolve their methods to get around it.
@@something4922 Right so what you're saying is, discord don't care if people get stalked and/or harmed by this. And they're also not going to do anything because it would require continuous effort to keep people on their platform safe.
Yep. Sounds like Discord.
me watching this 8 months later:
As someone who has written self-bot and tools to copy an entire server's channels and messages in realtime in the past, yea, it was easy to do so. But unless you send financial documents (which you shouldn't, in the first place), worrying about these stuffs is just as worrying about some stranger seeing your messages in a public server. It's just paranoid.
bot
@@ScratchNerd69420 ?
exactly. unless youre sending sensitive information over discord (which you should NEVER do), this poses no real risk
If you think this presents no danger you're either niave or part of the problem. Which is it?
did you not read anything they said? lmfao@@maiyannah
Discord w. They fixed something that is a problem
Discord tracks your data and no one bats an eye... but a person tracks your data and everyone loses their minds!!!!
LOL that message 🤣 great video!
this is 1. illegal, and 2. if its for an AI, its going to create another Tay incident.
Money > law
That channel stats site reminds me of channel stats generators for IRC.
IRC is very different.
Servers are literal servers you connect to.
Nobody can delete messages.
There is no chat history.
Client software may have logging features.
Bots join like regular clients*.
*unless it's a fake client generated by the server (actually more nuanced and needs a bigger explanation)
"what is allowed to the Gouverneur, it isn't to you, stinky" - ideal describtion of double standards. i hope discord would patch some of the problems
I'm so surprised that I'm going to take another sip of my tea.
Good thing Im not active in any discoverable servers
Ntts, thank you for REMINDING me its summer! I actually didn't notice!!! It's 38 degrees here, and i'm actually sweating.. THANK YOU NTTS!!
The best security is the one you don't know about.
good comment
As long as it’s not the group chat messages I ain’t got to worry about getting death row
We should spam these with horrible messages on alts since they require a bot being in the server
Me: makes roblox chat longer
NTTS: makes video about chat loggers
that "NUH UH" at 3:09 was legendary
Good thing I don't send stuff my mom wouldn't be able to see
The feds are already onto me 🤣, there is no way this will make it any worse.
Wow, finally Discord listened to you
Don’t give them any ideas
If anybody could not figure out that that adress was fake, they should probably get their brain checked...
I am actually happy that it’s finally not summer anymore and I can go outside for more than a few minutes at a time.
This should be common sense for everyone, but reality is that it's not for everyone.
NTTS is gonna drop a video on how to make bots to piss of the HM Treasury server by auto adding reactions. Jokes aside, great video as always
Idk why, but I mostly watch these for entertainment, even though I'm learning these things as well.
Imagine being surprised that messages you send in a public discord server are publicly visible to all users, bots, data scrapers, etc.
As a side note, if someone posts a picture and then deletes it, you can still view it if you have its attachment URL. Not only does discord save it on their backend, they also don't revoke public access to it.
I am not sure if the second one is still right. I think I had that links didn't work after deletion anymore
@@schwingedeshaehers Yeah it's still right, my moderation bot that I made and other bots save images by using the attachment URL.
@@sy5n did you tried it? Gave it a few minutes after deleting the message?
F*** now I'm paranoid, and I don't even send personal stuff.
me when discord wasn't listed on digital footprint infographic I saw at school so I go ham in group chat
Imagine the Law Enforcement or Government Agencies use this for Background Checks
they already are using the info discord has since when the feds come knocking they will hand over everything they know about you
Some background checks will btw
1:19 Tuscany mentioned 😮😮😮🇮🇹🇮🇹🇮🇹🇮🇹
This guy is the final boss of discord mods
Dang this is scary that people can just logg everything everyone says in a server. Does this apply to private dm's? does discord save and logs your messages, voice and video calls? I mean since it's not a server I assume you can't use a bot to so it makes me wonder if you're still safe in private messaging which Im not sure.
If you have access to some kind of data you can log it. So if your friend(or friends for a group dm) want to log their conversation with you to an html/json/txt file including Assets like emotes, images, group logo and, pfps they can. Or if you have a particularly foolish friend at risk of getting token logged I wouldn't send them anything you don't want logged either.
these selfbots are so annoying, thank god the server I'm in has double verification bots purely to filter out bots and stuff
I GOT DISABLED THE MOMENT THIS VIDEO WAS UPLOADED $$$
at least now we know that ntts’ real name starts with an r
I can't believe NTTS lives at the white house. That's my presedent!
:D As a server owner to a growing discordbot. I log a lot of stuff.
Discords API lets you log SOOO much stuff.
and whats the purpose of rthat logging? 🤨
@@LordAlgumaCoisa People kept phantom pinging me so I was forced to log it. and then ree at them.
they stopped.
But also so I could DM them to explain how to use my bot properly.
i only log my discord despite the bot being in several discords.
@@haroerhaktak2613 you didn't have any simple moderation bot at the time to log ghost pings?
@@haroerhaktak2613 and didn't you say you log a lot of stuff, is it only messages really?
erm.....akshually...@@fdkjlgj4jt
couldnt this be theoretically be counter-attack by spamming banned words 💀
So, I assume these message loggers also log message edits?
So why not setup a discord bot, that sends a max character message with max possible data usage, and constantly edit the message,
and eventually just fill the scraper's drive?
you will get rate limited long before that becomes an issue for the scraper
clicking images taking adress , stalk is becoming unuseable
I kind of figured that any server that was Discoverable and public would be, y'know, public. That's kinda the point of a public server. Your messages are public and available to anyone who can do whatever they want with it. This isn't really new information aside from the preview function.
the discord api has every message you ever sent even if its deleted I think
this is why i only send my personal info to a friend inside dms (no, i wont even send it in a group chat)
welcome to yurination
Urination
i actually have a bypass for the onboarding system for which the Cabin Fever Labs server which i own uses
1) our verification bot, double counter, gives you an unverified role
2) we locked pretty much all channels for @everyone and made 7 bypass channels with 6 hour slowmode
3) we then realized we could use wick bot lockdown and lockdown said channels
Nooo they are gonna find out about my rainworld obsession!!! What a tradgedy
Hey Ntts said "you go out once in a while" I was like Damm how does he know
3:05 my trained AI eyes after looking at a lot of "Japanese" Videos immediately recognized it spelled "Join Genshin Impact Official"
searing heat here.
as a pc worker i hate the immense heat. i need to run my whole room in fans to keep cool.
also man discord is scary indeed how much malicious stuff u can do.
remember that stuff about "not giving personal info over the internet"? yeah. do that, people.
your privacy is your responsibility. you can't live in a glass house and expect or demand people to just not look.
plus, any publicly available space where the information & data are public (literally any social media or publicly accessible forum, yes, this includes things where you need an account to access) has the information & data *_PUBLICLY AVAILABLE_* so honestly, you can't really get upset about anyone taking screenshots/recordings or using message loggers anyway.
just don't give personal info anywhere public.
long time ago i was making nitro snipers etc, i found issue where if user is not verified, asks for mobile/email etc you still able to read servers messages where u are joined, i think they has same issue still in 2023
Why do we have to think on discord, we should be able to feel free to do anything on discord
well you are free to send your home address im just not sure it will turn out well but thats in you
i mean.. its talking to strangers online. saying doxxing yourself is a bad idea because someone WILL save it is internet safety 101
Think Twice? brother i dont even think once
Basically if discord doesn't do anything it's because scraping channels with any user token isn't detectable if done correctly.
I going outside to pick a couple apples after this video.
Thanks for the tutorial on how to track messages NTTS! I will now use this for many immoral purposes
NTTS I have a lil question, what bot do u use for logs?
TL;DR, Think twice before you utilize the reason Discord exists in the first place.
Bro does the Snapchat app not do the same thing? I would be willing to bet they train their AI from their user's private messages. Not even public servers; private messages.
Another day another video from NTTS talking about how horrible discord staff and moderation