For anyone who has never been to the Frank Slide area, they should make a point of going. I went a few years ago and was stunned by the scale of it. I already knew what it was, but I never had a real sense of how far the landslide actually rolled out. There are boulders there the size of a 3-bedroom house. RIP for those poor souls who were lost.
around 1967, my friends and i were on a rural steam train in central region of Mexico. this was my first time on a train. when we came to a hill, the train was struggling. and it slowed and slowed till it came to a stop. then they asked everyone to disembark and to walk up the hill. we got to the top and watched the train creep up the hill. then we hoped back on. i was amazed it was so much fun. i was 14 yrs old.
You're the only other person I ever heard make reference to the visual pollution that is graffiti. I've made pointed remarks about such intellectual toxicity. It'd be nice if rail fans could brain storm on ways to prevent/remove such trash from uglifying the world
@@willboudreau1187 people who hate graffiti are very few in number. Most people either like it or don't even notice it, especially on trains and bridges and the like. It really just isn't that big of a deal, you're being dramatic.
@@paulhare662 don't even start with this completely disingenuous comparison between an individual's personal car and a piece of utilitarian industrial equipment, I just know that's where you're going. That's like comparing a car to a shipping container, or a combat tank. Aesthetics just aren't relevant, there is no harm that the owner of the train car can reasonably claim. Nobody would refuse to use a train car because it has some extra paint on it. You cannot say the same for the personal vehicle, which derives part of its market value from appearances. Nobody put loving care into painting that train car flat red, you aren't destroying the work of anybody else or decreasing the value of their property. If you really want to argue about it, you're *protecting* their property from premature destruction by rust. So, before you even ask, no, I really wouldn't care that much if I came back to find my car sprayed down, because I don't measure my car's worth by appearances, or the worth of anything else in my life for that matter. I would never buy a car for its appearance, and I would never refuse a car for the same. If it would really bother you so much, that sounds like covetousness to me. Either that or you bought a car you can't actually afford. Finally, to answer your question, I park my car in a bad part of town, with the doors unlocked and the keys inside. Wasn't the answer you were expecting, was it?
@@tissuepaper9962 Funny, I drive a primered 64 Chevy truck with broken locks. I towed it home 25 years ago, rebuilt it and left it in primer because most people have no respect for others things.
I’ve seen Frank Slide in person. It’s an absolutely unbelievable sight. A huge wedge of limestone crashed down on the town at approximately 4AM. It measured approximately 3,000 feet long, 1,500 feet high, and 500 feet thick. You have to see it to crash the awesome sight!
The first time I read of the Frank slide, happened to be 100 years to the day of the event . Amazing to see how massive it is . The local Indians call it Turtle mountain.
There is a transponder on the helper that reads the rear end device on the train so brake pipe info is displayed in the can A servo is attached the the pin lifter on the helpers coupler which facilities the uncoupling on the fly.
@@jpaulkepler4638there is no servo on those units, the conductor pulled the pin. The helpers won’t be reading the brake pipe pressure on that train, they would still be dialled into their train.
@@jpaulkepler4638 I thought EOT devices communicated with RF. All the transponders i've installed on locomotives read things as the transponder passes them.
@@alejandrayalanbowman367 they were coupled up but the air hoses and mu cables weren't connected and then once the head end was over the summit and the conductor pulls the pun and knuckles release
Gosh youtube takes ya to interesting places. Now I know that someone is filmng trains just south of me and posting it on you tube; quite successfully i might add. Congratulations, neighboureeno! Rad footage.
Thanks! I get a lot of comments to get a tripod and i do have one but this is one of the windiest places in Canada. Last years peak gust was 189 kph and it was stuck on the wind warning sign when it got blown over.
A known grade, a known weight, a known tractive effort per locomotive. Three options 1. Put on enough locomotives when they leave Lethbridge heading west. 2. Station helper locomotives there all of the time like they used to do at Roger's Pass. 3. Underpower your trains, some will stall and then fix it on the fly, wasting massive amounts of money and time. CP chooses #3. It is embarrassing, William Van Horne will be turning over in his grave, absolutely pathetic. Otoh I love your videos.
Ex CP conductor here. They do this in every sub, even in the states. Their management is disconnected from railroading and are better suited to manage a McDonalds, not a heavy industry. When we stop treating RR’ng like a state of the art technology and go back to its roots it will be better again. I feel a collapse coming in the next couple of decades if things don’t change. The current model isn’t sustainable and they keep losing more and more stops, not due to lack of customers but because they don’t have the manpower or time to stop there.
You think that's bad our governments here in australia are just as bad I lived in NSW in the Blue Mountains in a town called Springwood back in the mid 1990's they closed the Valley Heights locomotive depot and now they have to bring either a loco from Delec in Sydney ( 1.5 hrs ) away or from Lithgow ( 2 hrs ) away and that's assuming one is available They also closed the Cardiff Workshops in Newcastle however they replaced it
In 1903 the mountain came down and buried most of the town of Frank Alberta. It happened in the early morning when most people were sleeping. Sixty to seventy people died, most were never found. The railroad and road had to be rebuilt around and over the rubble.
The steepest grade known is the Lickey Incline in england that is 1:37 but it is a short incline however the Blue Mountains and Cowan Bank in Australia have grades of 1:33 and compensated grades of 1:66 through the stations once you get to about 1:28 you need a rack - The Line from Penrith to Glenbrook is a continous 1:33
The two that cut off were from another westbound. They went back to Burmis to grab their train and try to make the slide themselves. Only ever 3 on the grain trains. Half the time it's not enough.
@@MEdGrant it was sitting on the passenger side window of my truck so try more like a couple degrees. it's steep enough to have over 2 dozen stalls the last 2 weeks.
pretty tough with the winds we get most days so i film from inside the truck using the window to rest my handycam on. Not many days here a tripod wont blow over.
now just think....if the earth had an endless curve then trains would always be trying to climb a grade that they couldnt, or theyd be falling uncontrollably down a grade they couldnt handle. how odd is that :?)
For anyone who has never been to the Frank Slide area, they should make a point of going.
I went a few years ago and was stunned by the scale of it. I already knew what it was, but I never had a real sense of how far the landslide actually rolled out. There are boulders there the size of a 3-bedroom house. RIP for those poor souls who were lost.
around 1967, my friends and i were on a rural steam train in central region of Mexico. this was my first time on a train. when we came to a hill, the train was struggling. and it slowed and slowed till it came to a stop. then they asked everyone to disembark and to walk up the hill. we got to the top and watched the train creep up the hill. then we hoped back on. i was amazed it was so much fun. i was 14 yrs old.
I'm impressed by the number of cars with NO graffiti on them! Great footage.
You're the only other person I ever heard make reference to the visual pollution that is graffiti. I've made pointed remarks about such intellectual toxicity. It'd be nice if rail fans could brain storm on ways to prevent/remove such trash from uglifying the world
@@willboudreau1187 people who hate graffiti are very few in number. Most people either like it or don't even notice it, especially on trains and bridges and the like. It really just isn't that big of a deal, you're being dramatic.
@@tissuepaper9962 Where do you park your car?
@@paulhare662 don't even start with this completely disingenuous comparison between an individual's personal car and a piece of utilitarian industrial equipment, I just know that's where you're going. That's like comparing a car to a shipping container, or a combat tank. Aesthetics just aren't relevant, there is no harm that the owner of the train car can reasonably claim. Nobody would refuse to use a train car because it has some extra paint on it. You cannot say the same for the personal vehicle, which derives part of its market value from appearances. Nobody put loving care into painting that train car flat red, you aren't destroying the work of anybody else or decreasing the value of their property. If you really want to argue about it, you're *protecting* their property from premature destruction by rust.
So, before you even ask, no, I really wouldn't care that much if I came back to find my car sprayed down, because I don't measure my car's worth by appearances, or the worth of anything else in my life for that matter. I would never buy a car for its appearance, and I would never refuse a car for the same. If it would really bother you so much, that sounds like covetousness to me. Either that or you bought a car you can't actually afford.
Finally, to answer your question, I park my car in a bad part of town, with the doors unlocked and the keys inside. Wasn't the answer you were expecting, was it?
@@tissuepaper9962 Funny, I drive a primered 64 Chevy truck with broken locks. I towed it home 25 years ago, rebuilt it and left it in primer because most people have no respect for others things.
I’ve seen Frank Slide in person. It’s an absolutely unbelievable sight. A huge wedge of limestone crashed down on the town
at approximately 4AM. It measured approximately 3,000 feet long, 1,500 feet high, and 500 feet thick. You have to see it to
crash the awesome sight!
The first time I read of the Frank slide, happened to be 100 years to the day of the event . Amazing to see how massive it is . The local Indians call it Turtle mountain.
Cool, I’ve never seen them uncouple while on the move. Really cool.
Thank you for sharing this. Very cool video.
Cheers, from Texas
There is a transponder on the helper that reads the rear end device on the train so brake pipe info is displayed in the can
A servo is attached the the pin lifter on the helpers coupler which facilities the uncoupling on the fly.
@@jpaulkepler4638
Thank you very much for that bit of information there! I did not know that. Really interesting.
@@jpaulkepler4638there is no servo on those units, the conductor pulled the pin.
The helpers won’t be reading the brake pipe pressure on that train, they would still be dialled into their train.
@@jpaulkepler4638 That's effing hilarious! Good stuff!
@@jpaulkepler4638 I thought EOT devices communicated with RF. All the transponders i've installed on locomotives read things as the transponder passes them.
Awesome. Started my 35 years 6 month career there! Lost a spice puller on that grade!
Hope the boys have you a honk
They did! What's a spice puller?
@@demos9677 spike puller. Damm auto correct
Very interesting, especially the separation at the end of the video.
great catch , smooth uncoupling by the helpers
They weren't coupled.
@@alejandrayalanbowman367 they were coupled up but the air hoses and mu cables weren't connected and then once the head end was over the summit and the conductor pulls the pun and knuckles release
Gosh youtube takes ya to interesting places. Now I know that someone is filmng trains just south of me and posting it on you tube; quite successfully i might add. Congratulations, neighboureeno!
Rad footage.
Thanks airing and sharing the outstanding video with magnificent locomotives.Endeavors are promising.Bliss
Beautiful capture working the grade! (Dave).
Magnificent
That is an amazing and beautiful place I've had family in the Crowsnest pass there for over 160 years
Awesome. Thanks. Must be a pretty good grade there.
2.5% and a few s curves.
Thanks for sharing 👍👍👍👍👍
It is never--ever-not ever, how slow you go up the mountain, it's can you stop the bastards going down the other side.
This side is the steeper side, but yes it's hard to hold them back in the winter going down both sides.
Nice catch! I've never seen a disconnect like that! I've only seen them in the yards.
That is some awesome video that's a lot of power in a lot of weight
That was some real good footage..
Thanks! I get a lot of comments to get a tripod and i do have one but this is one of the windiest places in Canada. Last years peak gust was 189 kph and it was stuck on the wind warning sign when it got blown over.
great way to run a railroad CP!!!! bet you will do the same to KCS too.
Wow, I have never seen this manoeuvre before. I guess if it is the only steep grade on the route the pushers would be vital.
Gracias por compartir. Se necesita un trípode también.
A known grade, a known weight, a known tractive effort per locomotive. Three options 1. Put on enough locomotives when they leave Lethbridge heading west. 2. Station helper locomotives there all of the time like they used to do at Roger's Pass. 3. Underpower your trains, some will stall and then fix it on the fly, wasting massive amounts of money and time. CP chooses #3. It is embarrassing, William Van Horne will be turning over in his grave, absolutely pathetic. Otoh I love your videos.
Ex CP conductor here. They do this in every sub, even in the states. Their management is disconnected from railroading and are better suited to manage a McDonalds, not a heavy industry. When we stop treating RR’ng like a state of the art technology and go back to its roots it will be better again. I feel a collapse coming in the next couple of decades if things don’t change. The current model isn’t sustainable and they keep losing more and more stops, not due to lack of customers but because they don’t have the manpower or time to stop there.
@@AsianManZan Hi Jooby, thanks for your insight from the inside. I appreciate it. Cam
You think that's bad our governments here in australia are just as bad
I lived in NSW in the Blue Mountains in a town called Springwood back in the mid 1990's they closed the Valley Heights locomotive depot and now they have to bring either a loco from Delec in Sydney ( 1.5 hrs ) away or from Lithgow ( 2 hrs ) away and that's assuming one is available
They also closed the Cardiff Workshops in Newcastle however they replaced it
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That would be my dream job. Live in a small town, driving auxiliary engines helping the big guys over the hump.👍
An ideal location for hobo’s to hop on.
Pretty Amazing and nice work ! 👍
Small world I used to have a dinner plate from a hotel that was buried under that slide.
I live 3 blocks from it.😃
Pretty cool pin pull.
Perfect video👍👍👏🏻👏🏻
wait a minute… the name, is this where the slide of 1903 was? “crows nest pass?? or turtle mountain?
Wow, engines can slow down. Wow.
They didn't slow down, they spun and then powered out.
Great video 👍👍
Cool video.
And a really good video!!!
What is the % of this grade? First time I have seen helpers cut off like that.
2.5%
Please use cam with stabilizer next time...
Nice video 👍
GREAT video love the struggle any body know what the % of the grade is?
2.5% starting 2 miles behind the lead loco.
@@demos9677 THANKS i thought it was close to a 3% grade steep for a main line
Dang - 💪🏻💪🏻💪🏻👍👌
2 pullers 3 pushers diesel electric?
4000 hp diesel electrics.
When there are several locomotives are they all manned, for safety ?
Just 2 people in the lead loco. The rest are radio controlled robots or D.P.U's which stands for distributed power units.
Great action! Your video skills need a bit of polishing though. Perhaps a tripod would help steady up your camera?
So the 2 helper loco's do they go back to Lethbridge
No,his train is tied down at burmis siding a mile back east. He rehooked and almost stalled out too.
what is all that, grain?
Soy beans from the mid west.
It's like the CP and UP are saying "Hey wait for us"! LOL!
Why is it called "the Frank Slide?"
In 1903 the mountain came down and buried most of the town of Frank Alberta. It happened in the early morning when most people were sleeping. Sixty to seventy people died, most were never found. The railroad and road had to be rebuilt around and over the rubble.
How did these backsliding locomotives end?
What is the grade personage at this location. Thanks
2.2%
Steep hill!
Damn, that’s a lot of weight being pulled
They need more power, like the Swedish Iron Ore engines. Electric of course.
en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iore
Didn't think the crowsnest was this interesting
It tis at times! lol!
Gad, how steep is that grade?
2.5%
Maybe invest in a tripod mate, that way one could watch your videos without getting nauseous
What Is the gradient on this section?
It's 1.4%
Does anyone now the % of that rail section?
It's a 1.4% grade. Not as steep as most people guess, but still a stiff grade with the massive tonnage that goes over it.
What grade is this?
2.5% and it starts 2 miles back so the lead loco is actually over the hill here.
What is the incline train can drive?
This is 2.5% according to some of the engineers who run trains here.
The steepest grade known is the Lickey Incline in england that is 1:37 but it is a short incline however the Blue Mountains and Cowan Bank in Australia have grades of 1:33 and compensated grades of 1:66 through the stations once you get to about 1:28 you need a rack - The Line from Penrith to Glenbrook is a continous 1:33
I always was under impression trains can't go "up hill".
My reccomendeds.
Put a Loco in the middle and that would help greatly take one of the 3 off the back and put it in the middle
Problem is you risk snapping the coupler with a single loco in the middle
The two that cut off were from another westbound. They went back to Burmis to grab their train and try to make the slide themselves. Only ever 3 on the grain trains. Half the time it's not enough.
What is the grade percentage?
2.2% I believe.
Well, if the camera hadn’t been tilted about 15 degrees to the right, the grade would not look that severe by a long shot.
@@MEdGrant it was sitting on the passenger side window of my truck so try more like a couple degrees. it's steep enough to have over 2 dozen stalls the last 2 weeks.
@@MEdGrant for a heavy freight train anything over 1.5% is steep
@@MEdGrant yep they had a fair tilt on the camera trees normally grow straight up.
When yer paid by the hour!
Not paid by the hour.
Steep grade
1995 to 2004 I hopped FREIGHT TRAINS (was a blast)
Too much electric car fuel
Just call these "I hate CP Rail, volume XXX" Petty, unaccountable little RRRShole.
i think u need a try pod all over the place
pretty tough with the winds we get most days so i film from inside the truck using the window to rest my handycam on. Not many days here a tripod wont blow over.
now just think....if the earth had an endless curve then trains would always be trying to climb a grade that they couldnt, or theyd be falling uncontrollably down a grade they couldnt handle. how odd is that :?)