What We Learned After Testing a Honda Civic Si Over 40,000 Miles | Car and Driver
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From winter to the daily commute and the occasional track day, our Honda Civic Si was a thrifty and fun-to-drive sedan.
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00:00 Intro
00:40 What we got, what it cost
01:27 The driving experience
03:18 Track day economics
04:45 Track day, bro
07:28 What we didn't like
09:11 Winter
09:44 Service, maintenance, and repairs
10:34 Conclusion - ยานยนต์และพาหนะ
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Props to whoever did the music, tasteful
bruh, the si goes for $38k in my area because of markups. interesting that you'd talk about the markups of the type r but not even mention that no one is paying $29k for this car in 2023
I’ve put 22,000 miles on my 2023 Integra 6MT in 7 months. Absolutely love this drivetrain. It’s plenty adequately powerful for my uses, the transmission is pure bliss with its notchy shifter and closely spaced gears, and fuel economy is bonkers.
I ride motorcycles and love a revvy and peaky engine. I also have never owned a Honda before and maybe don’t know what I’ve missed from the golden days. But I have to give this drivetrain credit for its raw usability.
Don’t even get me started on the space magic that is this chassis.
You will still find this 1.5 can sustain a high RPM over rev better than other cars that over rev due to a money shift. I was over 70mph and went into 2nd instead of 4th and the limit is usually 55mph for 2nd. Its still in one piece. The head has lightweight assembly and nice long valvesprings. The bottom end on my 10th gen at least is lightweight for nice spinning but not beefy like previous gens. You should look for a 2007-2009 SI. those rev nicer up to 8,000 and will take added power from add ons and tune.
Dang bro. I’m a independent contractor been working a lot of food delivery past 6 months. Driven like 11k miles, I thought that was alot 😂 I have a 2006 Corolla S
@@angelquizhpe2473 I'm at 24.5k now lmao. And that's after putting 2,000 miles on a loaner car for a week.
I work as field service for CNC machines.
Do you like this car on roadtrips that are like 5 to 7 hour long. Is it relaxed. My current car a Golf R revs at like 3K at 75 MPH and its just ready to launch all the time which after an hour or so gets annoying. i used to have an Si and that revved i think about 3500 RPM at 75 but it was completely relaxed that Id double down shift to pass.
@@bucknut2000 hey. I'm at 40,000 miles now and can confidently say yeah, the car is definitely good for 5-7 hour trips IMO. At 75 mph it's turning 3000 RPM.
Still boggles my mind how much better equipped our Canadian version of the SI is compared to the U.S one.
And the fact that it has fog lights, heated seats/steering wheel, full digital dash and wireless phone charging for less money!
Super excited to get one myself when it shows up in a few months!
Different positioning in the trim level line up. I own this car and a 2022 Sport Touring, and while that stuff is nice, I love the simplicity and standard equipment included with the Si.
Fog lights are useless. We had them on a CR-V and they made no difference in thick CO fog. Fully digital dash is very nice in my Sport Touring, but I don't miss it one bit when I drive the Si. Heated seats are nice in the Sport Touring since it has leather seats, but would be worthless in the Si since the cloth seats don't get cold. Drove this car through a 20 degree winter in Northern AZ. I'm okay without a heated steering wheel in the Si, but salty the Sport Touring doesn't have it. Wireless charging is useless. It makes the phone very hot, and charges it 20 percent per hour.
Congrats on your upcoming Si!
Honda has to give you more due to pricing and low conversion of CAD to USD. I live in Texas. I can say one day a year would heated seats/steering wheel of been nice. That hot AF shifter in summer time is something I do notice every day. Wireless charging is whatever. Normal plugged charging works just fine for me.
Dude, track days eat tires and brake pads. Do more than a few and you can expect to churn through ‘consumables’ in a matter of months.
@@EldenLxrd Solid cope. lol. I like the simplicity of not having stuff for more money. what?
Honda keeping with their tradition of giving the US the worst possible options from their lineups.
oil change at 12k without a filter change until 23k? that's completely absurd.
Yeah let oil change at 12k, oil and filters are cheap why is there this indoctrination now to not change oil until some light comes on. or "extended interval"
I’m at 16k miles and I’ve already gotten 3 oil changes
I don’t follow that at all. It’s almost like Honda wants the car to break early so you have to buy a other one.
@@blueoemsisame! I get my first change at 1000 miles to empty out the tiny metal shavings that are in the oil due to a newly manufactured vehicle.
Especially on a direct injection turbo charged small 1.5 liter known for fuel dilution
One of the best guys in auto journalism! Thank you all for doing these great updates/reviews.
I own a 2022 Si. It is a really, really good Civic and a very, very okay Si. I think if we look at this gen Si in that way, it works. But as far as building on the Si legacy, it leaves enthusiasts wanting a bit more.
14's aren't slow for most 4 cylinder cars.
Wanting a bit more what, though?
This Si took bits and pieces of the last get Type R, improves the torque curve to give the driver more accessible power - not sure what more y'all are expecting for this price.
A 300hp Si for
@@oreally8605 Good point.
@@1anre You are correct. I think they could have easily turned up the boost ever so slightly to give it 20-30 more hp and fix the rev hang a bit. Aside from the Si legacy, there was really no reason to de-content the vehicle so much (heated seats, etc).
Well, that would be nice! ;)
I just think some of the spirit of the Si has been lost. Again, a very, very good Civic, especially with the updates, but it has become a product of its time and governmental regulations for sure.
@@1anre nobody said 300 hp. But 30k should yield at least 240 hp. Ford, Chevy, Hyundai, VW, Subaru, Toyota all offer 228 to 300+ hp for around the same price as the Si.
So yes, 30k is a lot of money for 200 hp. This car should have 240+, plain and simple.
Love these long term reviews. Please keep them coming!
You got it.
This was a good 40,000 miles high-level review, and it's comforting to see that over that huge mileage you guys covered, this car matched what Honda wanted it to be for Si buyers in contrast to its Type R audience.
I wish you guys mentioned that we Canadian owners of the 11th Gen Si actually get the far much well kitted out - heated steering wheel, heated front/rear seats, fog lights, & a fully digital instrument cluster.
I'm still struggling to find a 4-door sedan below $32K USD that packs all the Canadian trim of the Si offers and more while still retaining the race-bred fun factor this Si offers.
Way to go, Honda - Power Your Dreams!
WRX Premium maybe?
@@Ben-vy1ob10k less? What year?
@@Ben-vy1obYou only paid $20k for a Model 3? I have a hard time believing that. Used?
@@Ben-vy1ob Does the Model 3 come with a manual? SIs are manual-only because it caters to that audience. To what audience are you recommending a Model 3?
Sonata n line
So currently as of today, used 22-23 Si's are still above MSRP, whereas used A-Spec Integras are less than MSRP. In some cases, a used Si costs the same as a used Integra, and at that point it becomes a no brainer on which car to get.
exactly what I did
@@edwardgrassel872you got a used integra? How much?
I bought a CPO Mazda3 hatch awd. I was in the market for an Si since I owned a 2000 Si in my younger days, but $35,000+ turned me away. $32,000 on the used market with 30k miles. Got my Mazda3 for $22k with 18.5k miles on the clock. I know it's not Si performance, but for the price, it's better than getting robbed by Honda dealers. Which is a shame, I really wanted an Si since it's basically marketed towards my age group since we owned the original Si back in 99-00 (EG6 early to mid 90s with the B16 engine). My buddy owned an Accord back when we were in our late teens early 20s, and he picked up the 2.0t 6spd manual not too long ago. Childhood cars. Well I owned an RX7 in high school so Mazda it is.
With the money I saved, I guess I can get 18lbs (26lbs stock) forged wheels, a catback exhaust, and a tune for $2000 and transform the car into a little hot hatch.
LOL who's paying above msrp for a used si. Wow
@@papa_pt Someone is. I was at a local CarMax today selling my 03 Acura. They had a 2023 Civic (Sport, not SI) with 6k miles. They wanted $31k for it. We can probably assume someone will pay more for an SI.
I genuinely impressed your car didn’t have any other significant problems in 40,000 miles. My car is 1 1/2 years old with 8,000 miles and I’m on my second warranty fix. First was a faulty gas tank vent valve and the second was a broken intermediate shaft. The fact that you guys have done multiple track days is also impressive and the only thing I’ve done so far is autocross my car one time 😅
A lot of luck comes into the picture with any car. You can get a turd of a Honda/Toyota and somehow have the most reliable gm/ford product.
I bought a 2019 accord sport 1.5 manual. Mine has 96 k and not 1 issue and always 34 mpg .
@ptiscool3334 my 2017 focus was like that until it wasn't 😆 now I have an integra
wanted an si but my dealer wanted 3k over. Walked and found a sport touring 6mt hatch for msrp and have had no regrets. 90-95% of the performance of the Si but with a lot more features, including a compact spare tire, and the unbeatable hatchback versatility. The ST hatch is a great middle ground for Si and Integra A spec shoppers.
Better ride quality too!
I like the ride better in the SI. Stiffer is less body roll and better handling.
I would have done the same but the lack of a LSD was a main drawback for me. Both are great cars though and I always give a wave to my fellow 11th gens on the street!
1:37 The dealership wanted $5k above MSRP because there where only 4 in the nation available at the time 😅
- No thanks, this is a great $30k car.
I got a WRX premium with sunroof for way less than what dealers wanted for the Si.
@@faisal0280The WRX is the best bang for buck we got, everything else is getting too expensive.
We had one local dealership who's website said "call for price" so we know what that means where as one other local dealership had an Si straight up @ MSRP.
Same, some of he dealerships in my area showed them online at MSRP. But as soon as you showed up at the lot they had $4,500 "Market Adjustment" next to the Maroney sticker. If its not on the Maroney sticker than you can say you won't pay the Market Adjustment, but the dealership isn't going to budge if they know they can sell it with the additional markup, because of lack of supply. We have seen this with the Type-R's FL5 and the $20k markup on top of the $45k MSRP. No way anyone should pay the markup.
Absolutely love this Si, especially in this blazing orange. I’ve seen glowing reviews and luke-warm. Either way if I had the money to spend (covid took away finances) I’d get it in a second. -Great upload, love all the info and impressions after 40,000!
Car journalism that’s actually useful!
Enjoyed your review. Thanks.
I have a 2023 Si that I got in December and I’ve put 14K miles on it. I genuinely love the car and am obviously upset about them cheating US buyers and taking away heated seats and other options. I also think this Si is trying to fit more into the standards of today by just having a fun reliable sports car that is manual and should last on stock parts. It’s not the early 2000s anymore and parts are being more and more regulated so I don’t necessarily think it’s bad they aren’t holding up to the tune the crap out of them legacy and beat the motor to death like the K series.
Great review, Vanilla Camissa!
Got a 2023 civic si about month and a half ago. 1,500 miles on it and its so much fun to drive to work and around. There is always gonna be a faster car out there no matter what you have. But zipping around town and country roads. Puts a smile on my face! Plus its a Honda, enough said.
There are always some faster and better looking cars but it’s tragic that the new Prius is now one of them
Have you done your first oil change on it? I just hit 1000 and am considering it. Supposedly they already break in the engine from factory but idk about that. Wouldn’t trust it
@@tonya6196 The manual says to avoid sudden or hard acceleration for the first 600 miles, outside of emergency situations. I changed my oil at 2500 miles, despite the maintenance minder saying I still had tons of oil left over.
@@dkrongel I found mine at MSRP. Out the door price after all fees, taxes, etc. was around 33k
@@ItsAlive111Tragic? I consider that PROGRESS!
I had a 2015 si and just got a 24 si. What I love about my new si is that it’s mature. It’s doesn’t treat itself as a thrill ride or a toy and the shifts are so butter it’s insane. You really have to drive one to experience what I’m talking about. They’re amazing cars and I couldn’t be happier with the deal I got on mine. Although it’s not a K series it’s got plenty of punch on freeways and feels quick and smooth. 10/10!
Congrats! Did they fix the dilution problem on the 1.5T engine?
I had a ‘22 and ‘23 Si … loved em but I bounced around a little and ended up in an Integra Type S a couple weeks ago. The ITS (or CTR I’m sure) is just everything I loved but more of it. One exception: I think the Si seats were better than the ITS seats. Both awesome packages for their given price points.
I think this is all the differences between Canada and USA models
fog lights, parking sensors on both ends, LED turn signals integrated into the side mirrors, shift lights.
three drive modes and Individual Mode offers two color themes for the digital instrument cluster. Front and rear heated seats, a heated steering wheel, dual automatic climate control for the driver and passenger, an auto-dimming rearview mirror with built-in HomeLink, as well as a wireless charging pad
Is that all? Jeez what are the Americans complaining about.
Honda treats small markets better and of course its home market. In addition Canadians are seen as at least semi-intelligent whereas Americans are viewed dimly for good reasons. I would not be surprised if they did not expect a fair amount of blown engines and set up a trust fund just for the apes' warranty claims.
The Canadian SIs are made in Canada too, which is nice. I wish the Acura line offered Canada as many features as it does the USA. It may be just a gimmick but you cannot change the colour of the interior ambient lighting in the Canadian TLX. I don't think active suspension is an option either.
Always a great review, Carlos. Been a big fan since you reviewed the C7 Z06. I own this car and it has 7400 miles. Absolutely love every drive.
I liked it. I really did. For me, it was between the SI, Integra, GTI and the WRX for a new weekend toy. In the end though, the SI and Acura simply were not fun or quick enough. It was very smooth, peppy and tossable. Fantastic steering and typically buttery perfect shifter. But the acceleration, low-end grunt and mid range power was lacking especially compared to my daily commuter, a much loved 2020 Accord 2.0T Sport. In the end, I went for a 2023 WRX Sport Tec 6speed. Far worse on gas but more fun, far quicker and well .....just different than a more vanilla feeling Honda / Acura of which I have owned more than a few in the last few years and consider myself a fan-boy of Honda/ Acura product from my current Accord to my last RSX Type S. I love Honda /Acura. But the new SI was just a bit too plain and commuter in the pack.
Yokahoma Is the main company that makes Tires for my 9th Gen Accord Sport Wheels 19", Which I put on my 03' Element.
Also I bought those tires via Tire Rack, and was able to install them at Sams Club, where a replacement for each tire costs $20.00 per tire under the warrenty
I was pretty interested in this newest version of the Si, having owned a 2008 Si bought new in 08. Of course EVERY local dealer has been marking it up. I ended up buying a Jetta GLI.
GLI all day long. You made the right choice
Yeah honda dealers have become quite greedy and their service has gotten worse too.
I guess GLI is ok if you plan to sell after 60k miles.
@@TinLeadHammeryeah I babied my old Jetta and that thing let me down so much. it felt personal 😢
ABSOLUTELY LOVE THIS
$29k is a pretty great value, IMO. I do miss the wonderful K20 naturally aspirated engine in the older Si with its 8300rpm redline, but this new Si still seems like a great way to have fun for not a ton of money.
You may find a used one at that price, with 20k miles and a worn out, slipping clutch
Agreed. None of these newer Hondas have the charm and sound of the older K20/24s. I've been watching builds of K20/24 hybrids that rev to 9-10k RPM and they sound absolutely insane.
The 9th Gen Si (2011-2015) with the K24Z version are the best. Seen so many folks dropping turbo kits on them and turning them into really quick cars.
29k+10k dealermarkup lol
@@sn4rl277essentially a Type R motor although capable of as high as 500 horses. This has been known for over a decade
Really appreciate the carbotech colab to help make pads for this car.
12k on my 2022 Si. LOVE it. Of course i dont track it, its a commuter princess. But it eases my urge for anything more. Great looks, MPGs, and reliability! Dont regret my purchase at all and it makes me want to do business with Honda in the future.
With the oil-dilution issues with this engine, you would be crazy to follow the maintenance minder if it's recommending an oil change at 12,000 miles. When I had my 2020 Si, I changed the oil every 5,000 miles no matter what. Do that, unless you're okay with running gasoline degraded oil through your engine for 7,000 miles. I actually did the first oil change around 4,400 miles, because I was starting to get gasoline smell in the cabin. Fortunately that did not occur again after I changed the oil, and got rid of the car around 17,000 miles.
C&D, Good day. Thanks for doing all of this testing for us viewers. I would not wait for the 'roughly 12k mile and 23k mile oil and filter change. 5k miles max for both! Those intervals is what would end up voiding a warranty. If the Si had dual fuel delivery system (port and direct) then this car might be a good choice. As it is, the 2.0 liter does offer port injection and 158 hp. I would be happy going slower if the fear of walnut blasting the intake valves was off the table.
$29,000. Good luck finding one. As a former owner of a brand new 2000 Civic Si in Milano red, at the beginning of the year, I was interested in an Si and they were all marked up over $35,000 new. Even the used market still goes for $32,000 with 30k miles. I instead pulled the trigger on a CPO Mazda3 hatchback AWD with 18k miles for $22,300. Mazda too didn't have any new models on the lot. It doesn't have the performance of an Si, or the manual transmission, but I saved close to $15,000. Still a fun car, especially for New England roads, and comfortable for my 40ish year old back. A set of lighter and stickier P Zero tires (4lbs lighter per corner compared to OE Toyo) and a drop in K&N for induction noise, transformed the car into a little budget hot hatch. If the prices actually go down on the Si, I might consider trading my Mazda3 in for one.
You should be doing oil changes every 3-6K and filter change every single time regardless of what “it calls for”. I’m a Honda technician definitely do not wait that long
Agreed
You're just a honda technician. The engineers that built the car are not only smarter than you, but they know the engine, and the oil life better than you.
@@feelthatfeelthatbut he's seen them fail, the one who fixes the broken cars knows when they break
I can see 6k mi OCI +filter as a good program. that is 2-3 changes per yr for most. Plus it helps you keep fuel dilution to a minimum. And w/the lot of Resource Conserving oils out there, keeping fresher/newer oil in the pan is better. My WRX calls for 6k OCI, but I I try to do it every 5k (I drive 14k/yr). I even do our CX-5 every 5k and it does 8k/yr (Mazda calls for either 3750 or 7500 oci) . Adding a catch can or AOS is also a good idea due to Direct Injection.
Not only are heated seats standard on the less expensive EX, but they're standard, along with heated steering wheel, fog lights, turn signals on the mirrors, and a better instrument cluster on the less expensive Canadian Si
nice RCR reference in the intro 😎
I was looking into the 11th gen Si last year but seeing all the things we didn't get that the Canadian version got, it was a hard pass. I really like the heated seat option, the addition of fog-lights, & the styling of the 10th gen. Luckily i was able to find one in black with 7k so i opted for that. Dropped 1k into suspension between springs, rear camber arms, front & rear endlinks, & the RSB. The car handles 10x better now. Just got my KT/ intake/ IC/ charge pipes so i can't wait to actually get the performance mods installed.
I'd say either go for a 2020+ (post refresh) Si instead, or wait and hope that the refresh for the 11th gen US market returns all the features we lost for this current gen Si. Also it's mainly slower due to the longer gearing of the final drive ratio...so if you got a 11th gen Si, I recommend switching out the final drive for the previous gen's 2020+'s final drive gearing. It's also a travesty that we lost the 2-door coupe option.
As a previous owner of a 2020 Si Coupe, am I ever glad I went with the new Type-R instead of the Si again, cause they really nerfed the Si this gen.
Ditch the 110V air compressor for a portable unit, 18V from your favorite power tool line, or 12V that connects to the battery (cigarette lighter port models need not apply). The couple PSI you need at a track makes this a much more efficient solution, especially if you're looking for a spot to plug in your 110V unit.
Hello @carloslago , can you please share the tire size and fitments? Great video btw. thanks for sharing that
This generation of Civic Si makes way more sense to me when I think of it as a replacement for the sorely missed manual transmission Accords of the past, rather than competition for the current lineup of hot hatches. Now if Honda would just see fit to add heated seats...
💯won't buy one until that feature returns ...
I would have loved to see the VIR stock Lightning Lap times. Why did you guys choose not to include it last year during testing?
I had the chance to get one of these at MSRP, but passed and got something else. I liked the interior, but it just didn’t have that fun factor I was looking for. Also, the clutch take up/engagement point felt super vague and abnormally high (like all the way at the top end of its travel, just millimeters before your foot was off the clutch completely) and the shifter to me was angled in a way that I wasn’t sure what gear I was in several times (I’ve driven nothing but manual vehicles for the past 20+ years, so it’s not that i don’t know what im doing). I know people rave about the gearbox, but I liked the one in my 17 Fiesta ST a lot better.
Great journalist
Just so we are clear, Carlos Lago could walk out and review a phone book and I would watch, like and subscribe. Keep it coming.
'22 Si owner here. I do wish the rev match wasn't turned on in "normal" mode and then auto default to on in sport and configurable in individual mode. Pretty spot on review!!
@@dkrongel I got lucky it seems, as I paid MSRP for my car just about a year ago. A local dealer refused to mark up their cars and I refer to them all the time as a result.
EPA would hound them if rev hang was easily defeated. Your flywheel is lighter than mine. 10th gens got a very heavy one with even worse rev hang.
You can turn it off in vehicle settings. I have a 23 si and its turned off and it doesnt turn back on until you turn it on.
@@gsaldana62 I know you can turn it off, I was just saying I wish it off by default in normal mode but on by default in sport with options for individual.
Is oil dilution still a problem in this generation Si?
This is the best winter car I’ve had in years!
A well done 6 speed manual is all I need to hear.
I’ll bet it’s a decent Honda to own.
Beautiful car and review! I hope Honda fixes the negatives. They seem fairly minor: add heated seats and adaptive dampers.
the previous gen had those. now those features are on the Integra (A-spec)...so Honda never got rid of them, just moved them to a different, more expensive platform.....
Everything you brought up is why i got the integra
No mention of oil dilution problems?
I got the Acura A-Spec 2 months ago. The suspension is still pretty darn tight, and, being 54, even on comfort mode, and I feel it, though I kinda like it. I never put it on sport suspension in the city, because that's brutal. I found the rev matching annoying, and turned it off. The pedal layout is good for heel-toe. Likewise, turned off the dumb "silently engage the brake on inclines to help you get going".
The one thing that really, really, really annoys me: it's my first car with collision detection. I park right in front of some bushes, and I hate getting in and having it SQUEAL at me about that. It's gotten so bad I'm trying to get in the habit of leaving it in reverse rather than first. And the electronic parking brake that won't release unless I hold the actual brake, except it will auto let go if I give it a tiny bit of gas.
Nearly impossible to get one of these off the lot here in Ontario. Had to factory order mine with a 3-6 month wait.. 😢
Great review. Sad that modern cars are so bad, most journalists have to praise vehicles not for improving, but for not being as bad as other new ones.
Use caution when modifying. Head gasket, head bolt, rod bolt, and rod failures have happened in the 250-270 lb⋅ft range.
What of during stock?
@@1anreif you keep it stock nothing should happen
@@1anre With the exception of the version found in the Accord, the turbo L15s have a reputation of solid reliability and durability. (Older 1.5T Accords are experiencing some head gasket failures.)
@@0HOON0 spot on
@davewilson7602 oh ok, hope so.
Cause these 8th/9th gen Si cry boys like to make the 11th gen L15 feel like a weakling block pushing 200hp
What about intake valve oil build up?
Had mine for less than a year, put 12k miles on it.
It was a chance to relive my teen years, as the Si of the late 90s was the car to have among my friends.
Fast forward to being 40-ish, it was fun but honestly underpowered.
A great car, but with traffic the novelty of the manual wore off at times.
Again, great car but I’d love it more had it been more potent in the power department.
That’s what the type R is for. The si is like the teenage or 20 year olds car, type r I the real “speed demon” even at 300hp lol
are you the kind that needs the hatch to close itself and the rear seats to fold down with a button?
@@jamesmedina2062 If he’s like 40 then he probably does and I don’t blame him. Having a car that makes things automatic and easier make sense. However the Si isn’t meant for the older travelers it’s meant for car enthusiasts. Not meant to be 100%
I love my 23' Civic Si! I do wish it came with something a little more special than the 1.5T though
VW has done similar or better with a tiny pint sized engine. Theirs gets close to 50mpg due to better gearing than Honda's. You can find plenty of ancient vehicles netting 20mpg. Focus ST 2.0 very fun and 20mpg.
@@jamesmedina2062 Not special engines at all in my opinion my friend. Numbers are one thing but they lack character and I've driven both the GTI and Focus ST. I don't care about mpg, I want an engine with character. The 9th gen Si was the last with that kind of spirit
@@nickval5962 i totally get you. cars do many things for us. The 1.5 has a hard time going up hills compared to my previous 3.0 V6. But I have had probably over ten cars with character and actually need the durability, speed, and efficiency the current engine has. The only things I wish more of are comfort, sound(from audio system), and viewing height. One day I may have them too.
@@nickval5962 the earlier SI's did have a nice roar to them
What is blow-torching is the brake calipers?😬
The Civic in whatever the trim is the answer to almost any questions about a small, reliable car that can fit a family in it, inexpensive to operate, and has long-term reliability and total cost of ownership.
Great drivers car. Does so many things well at an accessible price
Not if you pay dealer markups. There are better vehicles for that price
@@ItsAlive111 for 30 grand what is going to get you 35+mpg, bose, killer handling, great resale and a manual transmission? I'll wait....
@@obs2008elantra N
@@alvincolon1you forgot good resale. No one wants a used Hyundai. Not to mention it's more expensive and it's ugly as hell
Also, take note of the expensive windshield replacement. What no one tells you is that thanks to the myriad of sensors, this increases the cost of the windshield by a factor of 2.
Indeed. I had to replace a windshield on a '13 TSX. It cost $350. I sold the car and now have a '24 Integra that has all of that gadgetry behind the windshield. If I ever have to replace this windshield I'm sure it'll be what these guys paid.... ugh.
I have an si ordered and it’s funny the differences from Canada to Michigan, si comes with heated front and rear plus heated steering wheel here, also dual climate control just weird how the states don’t do the same
This generation SI looks really good
Incredibly boring. Straight fron the 1990s.
@@TinLeadHammerDon't know if you noticed but 90s Japanese cars are in style again
Would you recommend changing the oil and filter earlier than what the system says just for safety? It doesn't cost that much and I don't see the harm in doing it early.
yes. 6k mi OCI is a nice comprise. for most people that is 2 changes per year. Also a lot of oil is resource conserving, so it starts out at the lower end of the viscosity range for its respective weight
My 2024 Honda Civic Touring Sport Hatchback in Boost Blue costs a total of exactly $33,000 after taxes, fees. Why? I have no clue. The SI is the same thing plus costs less.
Watching this makes me feel like an Integra ASpec is perfect for me.
Seeing that air compressor be part of a trackday packing list caught me off-guard ngl. I would rather bring my Milwaukee M18 inflator any day.
I guess they didn't have a Milwaukee set, so they brought what they had. was the tank for air tools or inflation adjustments?
$760 for a cracked windshield. The last time I replaced the windshield of my '01 4Runner (2007?), it was $250. This has me wondering about the cost of a new windshield for any of the cars now incorporating cameras?
Here in Canada, it's the same price as a new WRX.
So for the same price you have AWD and 270hp.
My question: what is the best choice?
The best part of owning a new 1.5T Honda is that your oil level goes up on it's own... Yes, this includes their 2023 model. Don't worry though, now that the software update has been proven not to fix the oil dilution Honda is saying that the dilution is by design.
Can you elaborate?
@@null__void Honda direct injection causes fuel to condense on the cylinder walls when the engine is cold. It ends up in the oil. Toyota addressed this problem by using dual injection. They use port injection when the car is cold or at low RPM and direct injection when the engine is warm and at high RPM... and sometimes both. Honda had a recall after a class action lawsuit. They did some ECU updates and the problem didn't go away, so they went with the "it's by design" response in the end.
Thanks for a fun review. That said, faulting a car for being bumpy over MI roads is just unfair. My back is still recovering from a trip to Traverse City (from WV). So much for your governor's promise to “fix the damn roads.” Thanks again.
No sticky steering on that one?
I’m still sticking with my 10th gen Si. I think the new one is great for new buyers, but not enough to upgrade model years unless you need to
comfort and sound are better on 11th gen but if you upgrade your seat and exhaust then you are covered. I do envy 11th gen looks. Clean front and rear with less fake air vents.
I wouldn't upgrade from the 10th gen si either because like you said not enough of an upgrade, except the look department. I despise the way the 10th gen looks (my opinion)
@@jamesmedina2062 yeah, I love the look of the 10th gens vents but i do understand why people think they look ridiculous, because they do 😂
@@feelthatfeelthat I know the looks to get harped on a lot. It fits my style pretty well because I’m obnoxious 😂 but I get why people prefer the styling of the 11th gen
I bought the 2023 Si about 7 months ago, I really do like this vehicle as it feels a bit more special to drive than any other car I've owned. I do feel that it's underpowered, which only becomes more of an issue after you realize all the potential Honda left on the table here. It's easier for me now to understand why so many Si owners upgrade to the Type R usually within a year or so (I'm seriously thinking about it). If you're going to force yourself to live with the firm ride , and lack of everyday comfort features, then you better make sure you're ok with the lack of horsepower - or you're ok with voiding your warranty
I have a 2018 si and it a great daily driver with simple bolt on and 140k still running well. I was looking to trading my car for newer si but asking for 5-10k markup makes me want a to get Tesla instead.
Yea, and do you believe people are still buying apples?! Oranges are better in every way.
Does the absurd road noise come standard?
Just needs the defunded Honda Accord two liter with the 1.5 turbo for 240hp and torque.
Or hybrid plus the 1.5 manual.
Lumbar in driver seat.
Tune out the rev hang
Under 30 grand.
Better brakes heated seats rear. VEnts and usb projector lenses full led taillights.
No gloss black.
Turn signal in mirror.
Full lcd or full analogue gauges
Handbrake.
Fog lamps.
.
Smaller wheels with taller tires would solve the ride issue? 🤔
Bro, 23k mile oil filter? Your guys’ profession is auto reviews / auto authority and y’all didn’t change the oil filter for 23k miles? That’s utterly unhinged.
I really wish they offered a hatchback Si too!
Same. I like the hatchback rear end a lot!
These are marked up to 35k where I live
This was the only car I've ever seen at the dealership I work at come in for an oil change with no oil filter
I had an si on my shopping list, but went for the 22 wrx. For about the same money you get more power and awd. The biggest problem for me with the Si was the rev hang and wheel hop. I knew I wouldn’t be able to live with it. Otherwise good car, but I know Honda can do better.
Neither is a race car but if determined to race then the Subaru WRx a little better. For getting places and saving money on fuel the Civic is perfect for me. If the WRX came in a wagon or hatch I would have gotten it instead as long as the engine was thermally stable and running to 200,000 miles without a teardown
@@jamesmedina2062 Track a stock FA family engine and see how long the bottom end stays together before oil starvation makes it come apart. I would like Subaru a lot more if they could just figure out what the hell a baffled oil pan is.
I wished you mentioned the interior rattles. I’m an owner of a 2022 Civic Si, and the interior has so many rattles. Rattles in the dash, in the doors, in the rear deck, and so on. Other than that it’s a great car!
I had two civics in the 90s, not a single rattle. Have a 2017 Si now and the interior noises drive me crazy. My other complaint is the floor mats; I’ve had many cars, not one had mats this cheap, the driver’s has 2 actual holes from my heel. Passenger is not as bad but this started around ‘20, just 3 yrs in 🤷🏻♂️
I have a 22 Sport Touring hatch. The dash has some intermittent rattling and my driver's seat buckle holder/thing squeaks like it needs to be sprayed with a lubricant. It has 16000 miles on it. Lol
I just looked at a 22 TLX Type S with the Tiger Eye Pearl (gold) paint and it looked great, I just couldn't justify getting rid of the Civic and then also having to drop 13k just to get it. Also don't want a 4000+ pound car.
I thought he did when he was talking about the suspension?
I have a 2022 Si with 9K miles and I have no rattles except when I am blasting the factory audio system.
No rattles here either, though I noticed when the ambient temperature is cold, it might crack here and there as it warms up while driving.
Yea bro track day with ye old civic. Excellent knarly.
I think the things this car doesn't have compared to Canada should have been options, you know, in the US they wanted it to be cheap, so offer this base model and offer the shift lights, heated seats and steering wheel, etc as options :)
no, not cheap. They took away features in the US so the Integra (A-spec; "a $38k Si") would have a leg to stand on and "separate" itself from the Si. The 10th gen had the omitted features. Honda pushed the Si down market to squeeze in the Integra A-spec. Same goes for the Integra Type-S (a $55k+ Type-R).
Im curious about other 2022 civic si owners here. What is your overall mpg? I get roughly 39-40, but i do alot of highway driving. Would love to hear from ya'll
the computer is optimistic. 70mph does ok for me. 40mpg. 55 mph gets me 50 mpg. 80 mph gets me 37 mpg. Mixed I get 36.
you can't compare mileage with others on the internet. Someone living in Alabama will get extremely good mileage vs someone living in San Francisco or any other major city. Then on top of that you have the Highway vs street folks....If it helps I get 32mpg living in a major city with traffic.
Greedy dealer markups kill this car. It's ok if you can find at MSRP but in no way is it worth any markup. Tried pretty hard to get that Orange Si but no way I was paying the 4K over msrp they wanted. Ended up with the fully loaded Boost Blue Sport Touring Manual and really couldn't be happier.
I wanted this car but refused to pay dealer markup and dealer added accessories that every dealer around had at $40k. Ended up with a WRX.
9:04 not when I was car slutting on track a few months back
worked at a honda shop for 8 months, these are in my top 3 attainable dream cars.
Beautiful
Waiting for a Civic Type R 40000 miles video
11:12 For the MSRP money yeah, not for the dealer markups money
That air compressor is huge.
It's a nice sedan with tons of space and a power figure that is adequate. Definitely not the speed demon that many Honda fanatics claim or believe it to be. While long term reliability of the DCT used in the Kia Forte GT or Elantra N-line is still questionable. The KIA and Hyundai are still quicker. The manual Korean brands match it. Aside from that, why care? It's a fantastic "not slow" family car. My nearly retired mother drives a 2019 Civic Si. She told me she chose it because "it has just enough passing power." It gave me a chuckle but she's right. It's just enough power and agility to feel right. My biggest gripe is that I miss the high revving NA Si of the past. The new feels a too normal to be called special.
Good point. It’s not about the having the quickest. Who cares. Besides, 6.6 sec zero to 60 is quick enough. It’s the enjoyment. Fun factor.
Buying a truck and trailer really adds to that track cost … sheesh. Sure makes the weekend comfortable though.
I fit my dog, wife, 7ft surfboard in this car. Wireless android Auto. Sunroof.
All things i couldn't get with a gr86.
I love this car.
You made the wrong choice. Sunroof adds weight up high, surf board would fit through the seat, Dog can hang in the back, buy an iPhone, Wife stays home. Viola!
@@sage11x😂
@@sage11x which car would you recommend under 40k?