@@Hoop_23 Too electronic and sedate? Mazda seems to be smoothing over their performance vibes as they’re pushing upscale. That still puts them in a unique place, but it’s a pity the zoom zoom isn’t as fiery.
I love manuals and I plan on getting this as my first car. However, I gotta be honest here, the rear section of the cabin doesn’t surely get the same treatment as the front. Forget about the red accentuated upholstery and the absence of rear AC vents or USB slots for charging, the center console (which doesn’t have anything mentioned above) seems really plastic-y, simple and cheap. What are your thoughts on that? PS - I do have a Honda back home and I love it. I could definitely ignore the rear section and get on with it. But I guess they should improve it.
I've had a lot of rear passengers in my 24 si. Nobody has complained, yes its sad they dont have the option, but its not as big a deal as you probably think. if you really want to give them usb ports, you can get an extender from the front port. Other than that, it gets plenty cool / warm back there and ive been told the seats are very comfortable and roomy. No complaints yet.@rohitchanda8461
@@rohitchanda8461yeah I noticed that after the fact. The seats were a dead giveaway when I bought it because they stood out but the door panels with the flat black instead of the gloss black was a let down. I plan down the road to take the door panels off and maybe try to paint those pieces glossy black just to give it some kind of continuity.
I feel like the car is appropriate for the money. It’s a great alternative to a Type R if you’re on a budget and want a more sportier driving experience than the regular civics. I think the power is adequate for what it is. I think Honda assume people buying this is going to be commuting but wanted a more fun commuting experience.
appropriate for the money?? LMAO fck no its not. They took all this away from it while the 10th gen has all of this - 5 More HP - Shift lights - Fog Lights -Heated Seats -Dual zone climate - Adaptive Dampers - A real sport mode button that actually does something (with full red accent lighting) - A full digital center cluster - A temperature gauge (LMFAO) - More aggressive and better looking" All while costing thousands of dollars less LMAO. The 11th Gen is a joke and you're a sucker if you bought one considering you paid over $13,000 more for a car with way less features than the 10th.
I had a ‘22. It was very nice and quite enjoyable. It was way underpowered, but its suspension was sharp. The shifter was butter, and the fuel economy was beyond impressive; I consistently got 37/38 mpg’s. I got a crazy offer from a dealer a year ago and decided to part ways with the Si. I’m now in a ‘13 wrx that I bought off my college buddy, who was the original owner and kept it all stock. I definitely miss the Si at times, and if my wrx dies someday , maybe I’ll buy an Si again.
I feel that my 2024 shifter is less than buttery. Some days it feels like it goes right in some days it feels like it struggles. Not so much as grinding but very clunky. I'm wondering if the first 80 miles were driven hard and made it that way. I don't know I've only driven this car so far but I need to drive another one to see if it feels the same.
I traded in my ‘22 Civic SI for a ‘24 GLI 40th, only because I drove the piss out of the civic in my 1.5 years of ownership (40k+ miles) and took a remote job so wanted something fresh in the garage. While the Jetta has a descent bump in power, the civic trumps it just about everywhere else. Interior is of better quality, handles better, rev match is brilliant with a perfect shift every time, hill start assist is ‘intelligent’ and releases brakes when clutch is engaged (Jetta is about a 2 second hold no matter the scenario - which coincidentally makes taking off on a steep hill about 10x more difficult) brake hold button (keeps the brakes held whenever you come to a stop - think drive thru or sitting in stop and go traffic. Once you come to a stop and put in neutral it will automatically hold until you take off again, without having to pull / release park brake over and over again), BOSE audio system is phenomenal & underrated in my opinion - by far the best quality sound system I’ve heard in a vehicle.. plus it looks awesome and averaged 33 MPG on WV country roads. Some complaints - rev hang is frustrating, especially when rowing through the gears My ‘22 had the sticky steering at highway speeds but apparently that’s been addressed Paint is soft as baby shit. Definitely suggest getting a paint protection film on front bumper / hood for rock chips 200HP engine leaves you wanting more
Copped my SonicGreyPearl FE1 11th gen Si last yeat June, and it's been the best all-round enthusiast car I've ever owned and first brand new car and I'm glad i got this over say the Elantra N. Extra points: got the canadian spec with full digital cluster, fog lights, front rear heates seats, heated steering wheel, wireless charging. Below $40K, it's the most practical enthusiast car that has an LSD that makes carving those Ontario backroads pleasantly.
The other day my daughter and I test drove a bunch of cars including the accord then the civic back to back. We both loved the civic over the accord. I drive a 2023 lexus and I walked out impressed how well the civic was put together for its class.
Thank you, man, just for voicing what many people think in the first 2 mins. Have the same exact color with blacked out emblems , and yes at MSRP and love it. Frankly, at city and highway speeds I couldn't even justify this powertrain as I have to restrain myself and not sure if extra power is more track suited than practical.
Nailed the review. This gen Si harkens back to the 90’s understated Si where only those who know, know.and unlike some of the competition the wearable parts are still reasonable. Whole point of the Si is it’s a civic with the fun turned up.
I’m torn between the Elantra N and this. I had a veloster N and it was so quick and the interior was great. I know the resale on the SI will hold better, but the N for stock for stock seems to be way more fun factor
And you had to review it in the color that everybody has. LOL . I'm loving my SI and I've only had it for 4 months now. I just now started getting on it and I must say that it is quicker than my 09 GTI and with less displacement I'm impressed. And it's very comfortable
2017 si here. Gets much higher mpg than advertised. Easily hits over 50 mpg on highway. But that comes with injectors that will fail around 50k. Do it yourself for about $200. Also, if you ever get crazy dash errors like vsa, break assist, stability control, etc, could just be a bad maf/iat sensor.
when I first saw the civic si 2022 - I knew It was the perfect car for me. Hoping they keep the same body shape, and transmission for future years so i can maybe afford it by then!!!
I picked up the brand new s.I in two thousand twenty two. Now has thirty thousand miles on it. Is the king of the road?No , not by far , but every time I get in that car so much fun to drive.
Remember this: Honda's 2.0 turbo was designed from the ground-up for performance (strengthened internals, etc.). The 1.5 Turbo was designed from the ground up for economy (low-friction components, including connecting rods, pistons etc.) . When you push more horsepower out of the 1.5 Turbo, it comes at a cost - longevity vs the 2.0 turbo.
I so wish Honda would come out with a hatchback version. I don’t like the size and sedan shape too much for sporty cars but I think I’d get one if a hatchback version was not a possibility.
"The red exterior plastic screams that I play Fortnite" That might be the most hilarious description of a car's feature I've ever heard on a review. Had me rolling laughing. Well done man lol Side note, curious where you'd rank the Si compared to the WRX? You seemed to really like the WRX in your review. Which do you think is more fun to drive, or which one would you pick to own?
I get that they are trying to appeal to larger markets but a Si that size just seems kinda off message. I have an 8th and a 9th gen sitting in my garage. The thing I enjoy most is that they have a quality driving experience while still being relatively light and compact and inexpensive to modify/maintain. I test drove a 2023 Si last year at a local dealership when I was shopping for a new daily. Neat car but it didnt feel like a Civic at all. More like a Volvo. I cant decide if thats a compliment or not.
I still have my 9th gen civic(2015).. 120K miles after 9 years and no major repair on the engine or trans.. clutch is still factory and same as the day I got it…Will never sell it even if I upgrade next year lol
We had an '18 SI that was a wonderful car and I was getting 35-37mpg mixed driving. However, it had MAJOR oil dilution issues (well over the oil full line after only 1-2k driving) even though we live in Arizona, I never drove it hard and I drove a lot on the highway to get the oil temp up. When I called Honda, they said unless the car was stalling or having warning lights, they weren't going to help out. It was very disappointing to hear since I really loved the car otherwise. Hopefully this is not a big issue with the 11th gen SI.
Ouch, that's quite unfortunate and it's especially frustrating to hear a response like that from Honda. I've heard some people acknowledge that their engine has a little dilution by the time they get their oil change done but I haven't heard of it being a serious amount like it was before so II wouldn't worry about it if I was personally buying a new one!
The one detail of the Civic Si that has always annoyed me was the fact the front and rear seats materials don't match. In Canada the price of the Si is $40k for that much I'd opt for the Mazda 3 AWD Turbo sedan with caveat it's not as entertaining due to the lack of a manual gearbox.
@@gwpeoples True, my point was that in Canada the price is $40k and if priced similarly you could get AWD, a turbo motor and I'd say a more upscale vehicle.
@@genzigzag definitely a misconception by ppl who haven't owned a modern bmw. A bunch of ppl in our group bought new and used 2014 and older 3/4 series and its just been routine maintenance.
For a few grand more I'd rather buy the Elantra N. Sorry Honda fans but its just a better value. The Si doesn't even get heated seats or adaptive suspension, which the N does get.
Not sure if they're still marking up the Si still but i think the Elantra N is the sport sedan king without a doubt. 90% performance of a Type R at 10k less. I would argue more fun than the Type R. The Si is just a Civic sport+ to be honest with some parts borrowed from the Type R. The Si is a far cry from what it used be. Having owned one, it's just not a special or value forward car like it once was.
Honda really needs to give this car more power if it’s going to sell it for $30k+. It’s close in price to the WRX…more so than in years past. It’s also pretty close to the Elantra N. The value proposition isn’t there anymore.
I hear that but it is like 4 grand away from the Elantra N. The Elantra is much more entertaining to push hard but I still think this is a better daily and it’s much more fun than the WRX. It’s not always about power! Each of those are better in its own ways but it doesn’t need more power to have its own stronghold in the market imho
@@Realistick I’m not suggesting that Honda needs to give it a ton more power. But even the kind of power bump that the BRZ got absolutely transformed that car. I’m mostly talking about the power levels that can be achieved with an OTS stage 1 Hondata or Ktuner map. Except from the factory so warranty doesn’t get burned. I also disagree that this Si is more fun than the current WRX. Last generation was no question, the VA’s awful factory tune made the 10th gen Si objectively more fun to drive. But now that Subaru figured out how to properly tune a car without ridiculous rev hang, I would argue that the VB is the better car.
@@enmass90 A BR-Z powerbump could be nice, though the BR-Z also needed to fix its torque dip, something the SI doesn’t really struggle with. If all you care about is speed, sure, the wrx is more fun but the SI’s gearbox and steering are in a different league and I would much prefer to drive the SI on a nice road than the subie! Rev hang fix was nice but the drivetrain shock needs to be addressed too.
As a 24' Si owner, I can confirm that the car has rattles from the factory. It's a fun and peppy car, but the engine isn't as robust as its naturally aspirated and cannot hold much more power than stock. They seem to blow up pretty easily with a mild tune and some bolt ons
Absolutely true 👍 I have one and I'm not planning on adding any hp without an engine swap. The piston rods were made with "eco" standards in mind. It would be funny to see an LS3 in one of these 🤣
It is a great little car that is a good everyday driving and some fun on the weekend backroads or highways. Sort of like the Miata. Would be interesting to hear you do a comparison with the regular Civic sport/touring. How much is the true difference.
I really like the looks of the si. Depending on pricing, I'd probably go touring with a manual and then tune it for more power. But then the limited slip would be nice so who knows. Thing that kills me is how low you sit in the civic. Wish you sat a bit higher. Regardless I'm definitely a fan of the new civic.
@@kikomanster8188 question is, can you find one at MSRP the way they're selling? It's also like a 5k jump assuming the integras aren't marked up as well
Yes, the Si’s are selling here in Seattle around $3-5k markups while the Integra is selling at msrp. I know because I was looking at Si before I just bought the Integra instead. The interior of the Integra compared to the Si is worth it plus the els 3d studio alone trumps the Bose in Si.
In my region (central tx) my honda dealer had this marked up to $41k. The acura dealer was selling a base integra for $37k. I'll have to recheck since this was just under 2 years ago
It definitely needs some updates, a little more horsepower 230 would be enough to make it where it should be, and keep the type R owners happy, how much would it cost to put driving lights in they get them in Canada, heated seats would be a nice touch by the way, that’s how it is in Canada and keep the price about where it’s at but for the kind of money they’re asking you can get a lot more car is it a better car maybe not but how many people keep a car 10 years if you’re only keeping a car 3 to 5 years any car out there we go that long. I looked at SI and Just was not impressed with the performance. the shifter was suspension felt good and handling. Although now on the forums, I hear they have some kind of issue with their steering box not sure why everybody’s trying to make less power and the other companies that aren’t afraid of more power I think we’re gonna win. Test drove a Kia k5 GT which out the door was 2k more and although not a fan of Kia cars it was very impressive interior, features, and 290hp. Would Honda be better long term yea I would think but if your getting a new car every 3-5 years it doesn’t matter :)
I Test drove an Si at mcgrath city, and yes they gave us the msrp number. but there was an extra 3500 dollar non negotiable Speciatly vehicle fee that was only on the Si and the Type R which was 7k over.
Great video!! I really like how you put in perspective that it’s a fun car to drive with more than enough power to push around but it’s still bound by its price point and we can’t expect the world from it lol. Quick question… Does it have the redline bars above the tachometer?
Thanks! And no, that is exclusive to the Canadian specs unfortunately (the canadian spec also comes with the full digital cluster, foglights, heated front and rear seats, and heated steering wheel too🥴)
From all research I've found the drive isn't anywhere near as good as the Si, it's slower and far less reliable. Are they wrong? Was thinking about GTI. Also heard manual gear box was crap, would DSG be the way to go?
@Hoop_23 well id say so. Aint no way the gli is slower. Plus i have test driven it and its so good. The dsg is smooth and the ride is either chill and comfy or nice and firm depending on what setting ur on. I really like it.
And a really "really" close source is telling me even with an employee discount they will only go down 4k on them, so the discount is worthless if they will only go down to 41k.
Thanks for the great video. I just put a deposit down on a SI. I never had leather seats before my beloved 2013 Veloster which was totaled last week (thank God no one hurt badly and not my fault). I never thought I’d care about leather, but I surely did love it. Do you find the material nice enough or do you think an after market upgrade to leather worth it? I’d appreciate your feedback. Thanks.
Great review man, I'm looking at getting one of tbese in the next few weeks and im excited. Just a quick rant though - i hate and find it so annoying whrn review videos say that "200 hp isnt fast." Since when? Its so annoying because reviewers test all kinds of cars and yes obviously the civic si wont be as fast as a bmw m5 or a porsche 911, but why do people pretend 200 hp is something to scoff at and is considered slow? Put someone in a nissan versa with 130 hp and they wont be able to tell how "slow" it is. Idk, idk if that makes sense, just annoying. Its even worse in moyorcycle review videos
It’s definitely a car to be excited about so here’s my preemptive congrats 🎉. It can get annoying when people get fixated on 200 hp when the car is just 30k, but before slamming some reviews, remember that it is a sport sedan. People are going to be critical over the performance. If the article/video finishes and they say it’s too slow to compete, THEN id say it’s bs. After all, the SI isn’t about numbers, it’s about abundant yet sensible fun!
@@Realistick i understand, being marketed as a "sports" sedan/car definitely has its implications. I currently have an 04 is300 and have had it for over 10 years. It has ~217 hp (probably less since cars lose power as they get older) and it feels fast enough for me, faster than pretty much any other normal car on the road, so for me ~17 less horsepower is not going to make me think im riding a snail, if that makes sense. I just think that people are too obsessed with numbers on paper, as you stated in the review
Yeah, they are just quick enough for spirited commuting. Its just frustrating that competitors keep increasing power, where Honda seems to just increasing weight/size and stagnating around 200HP.
Id like to mention the feature set you get spending a little more on a mk8, heated seats, heated steering wheel, rear vents and a hatch. I cross shoped a si with the mk8 gti and ended up with the gti.
Interesting comparing it to the GTI, as its power feels much closer to VW's base 158HP 1.5 turbo M/T I drove. You can only feel a little extra power in the SI 3rd gear and above.
Other key difference is noise level. The Golf is much much much quieter inside. The other big difference, the Golf infotainment sucks. And crashes. Still. 2 years in. 2022 owner here. There are far fewer GTI out there so it's more rare if that matters. No perfect car in this price range.
This is a very good car, I will not deny that. But it's only good stock. If you wanna modify then I suggest looking up a breakdown of the L series to the K series. The internals are very dinky and small/skinny for the sake of fuel economy.
I'm moving to Michigan soon and I don't know if the Si is a good option for the winter or if I should consider something else. In your top 2023 cars you said that the Si falls flat in winter
I think Zack might have said that? (I cant remember saying that) but If you’re living in Michigan, it would make sense to get snow tires, in which case, the SI would still be a good option. The WRX would have an advantage if you’re in a more hilly or rural region, but it’s less fun day-to-day and costs more to run.
Agree with the snow tire recommendation. I live in Michigan and have been through 2 winters with my "22 Si. The all-season tires will not get you through heavy snow, otherwise you'll be OK. @@Realistick
@@janoskovacs11 true! though for like $400ish , most dealers know a company that can have them installed for you. If you look really closely at the seat of this car, youll actually a see a little switch because the owner had heated front seats installed!
@@Realistick You are 100% correct, it was Zack who said that. I tried to for the WTX but there is not base trim only Limited, which does not fit my budget! There is a Si MSRP near, so I might snatch that or the Golf GTI. Thank you for replying!
Valid, though I'd personally prefer great handling, reliability and a fun gearbox at 30k over what the competition offers (though the Elantra N tempts me).
issue is that besides the power you still need to spend 400+ a month for years with the base car. I’d rather live with a base civic vs any other car so an SI or type R is a no brained.
@@Realistick correct, i was referring to having to live with a GTI or Subaru for everyday needs and reliability. The civic as a platform is just a better vehicle.
I’m shocked at how nice the Civic is now. It’s kind of everything a small car should be.
It’s not a small car anymore.
Every small car should be a midsized sedan 🥴
id take a look at the mazda3 sedan if you think this is impressive
@veltal i did, wasn't impressed. The interior is nice but driving doesn't match up
@@Hoop_23 Too electronic and sedate? Mazda seems to be smoothing over their performance vibes as they’re pushing upscale. That still puts them in a unique place, but it’s a pity the zoom zoom isn’t as fiery.
I’m 6’1 220 pounds and I love my 24 Si. It’s been an absolute blast and I don’t think I’ll ever get bored of it
I love manuals and I plan on getting this as my first car. However, I gotta be honest here, the rear section of the cabin doesn’t surely get the same treatment as the front. Forget about the red accentuated upholstery and the absence of rear AC vents or USB slots for charging, the center console (which doesn’t have anything mentioned above) seems really plastic-y, simple and cheap. What are your thoughts on that?
PS - I do have a Honda back home and I love it. I could definitely ignore the rear section and get on with it. But I guess they should improve it.
I've had a lot of rear passengers in my 24 si. Nobody has complained, yes its sad they dont have the option, but its not as big a deal as you probably think. if you really want to give them usb ports, you can get an extender from the front port.
Other than that, it gets plenty cool / warm back there and ive been told the seats are very comfortable and roomy. No complaints yet.@rohitchanda8461
I'm much shorter and much fatter and I also love this car. Not to peppy and I'm getting almost 40 mpg on my daily.
@@rohitchanda8461yeah I noticed that after the fact. The seats were a dead giveaway when I bought it because they stood out but the door panels with the flat black instead of the gloss black was a let down. I plan down the road to take the door panels off and maybe try to paint those pieces glossy black just to give it some kind of continuity.
I feel like the car is appropriate for the money. It’s a great alternative to a Type R if you’re on a budget and want a more sportier driving experience than the regular civics.
I think the power is adequate for what it is. I think Honda assume people buying this is going to be commuting but wanted a more fun commuting experience.
Exactly! An awesome commuter car for an enthusiast.
appropriate for the money?? LMAO fck no its not.
They took all this away from it while the 10th gen has all of this
- 5 More HP
- Shift lights
- Fog Lights
-Heated Seats
-Dual zone climate
- Adaptive Dampers
- A real sport mode button that actually does something (with full red accent lighting)
- A full digital center cluster
- A temperature gauge (LMFAO)
- More aggressive and better looking"
All while costing thousands of dollars less LMAO. The 11th Gen is a joke and you're a sucker if you bought one considering you paid over $13,000 more for a car with way less features than the 10th.
I had a ‘22. It was very nice and quite enjoyable. It was way underpowered, but its suspension was sharp. The shifter was butter, and the fuel economy was beyond impressive; I consistently got 37/38 mpg’s. I got a crazy offer from a dealer a year ago and decided to part ways with the Si. I’m now in a ‘13 wrx that I bought off my college buddy, who was the original owner and kept it all stock. I definitely miss the Si at times, and if my wrx dies someday , maybe I’ll buy an Si again.
I feel that my 2024 shifter is less than buttery. Some days it feels like it goes right in some days it feels like it struggles. Not so much as grinding but very clunky. I'm wondering if the first 80 miles were driven hard and made it that way. I don't know I've only driven this car so far but I need to drive another one to see if it feels the same.
I traded in my ‘22 Civic SI for a ‘24 GLI 40th, only because I drove the piss out of the civic in my 1.5 years of ownership (40k+ miles) and took a remote job so wanted something fresh in the garage. While the Jetta has a descent bump in power, the civic trumps it just about everywhere else. Interior is of better quality, handles better, rev match is brilliant with a perfect shift every time, hill start assist is ‘intelligent’ and releases brakes when clutch is engaged (Jetta is about a 2 second hold no matter the scenario - which coincidentally makes taking off on a steep hill about 10x more difficult) brake hold button (keeps the brakes held whenever you come to a stop - think drive thru or sitting in stop and go traffic. Once you come to a stop and put in neutral it will automatically hold until you take off again, without having to pull / release park brake over and over again), BOSE audio system is phenomenal & underrated in my opinion - by far the best quality sound system I’ve heard in a vehicle.. plus it looks awesome and averaged 33 MPG on WV country roads.
Some complaints -
rev hang is frustrating, especially when rowing through the gears
My ‘22 had the sticky steering at highway speeds but apparently that’s been addressed
Paint is soft as baby shit. Definitely suggest getting a paint protection film on front bumper / hood for rock chips
200HP engine leaves you wanting more
Copped my SonicGreyPearl FE1 11th gen Si last yeat June, and it's been the best all-round enthusiast car I've ever owned and first brand new car and I'm glad i got this over say the Elantra N.
Extra points: got the canadian spec with full digital cluster, fog lights, front rear heates seats, heated steering wheel, wireless charging.
Below $40K, it's the most practical enthusiast car that has an LSD that makes carving those Ontario backroads pleasantly.
Why can't I live in Canada
The other day my daughter and I test drove a bunch of cars including the accord then the civic back to back.
We both loved the civic over the accord.
I drive a 2023 lexus and I walked out impressed how well the civic was put together for its class.
I have a 24’ SI and love it. In my opinion, a great value and decent performance in a nice looking package. Great transmission too.
Love the reliability and safety sections of your videos! Also thanks for mentioning regular vs premium gasoline in this car. Very valuable info :)
Happy to provide it🤟
Thank you, man, just for voicing what many people think in the first 2 mins.
Have the same exact color with blacked out emblems , and yes at MSRP and love it. Frankly, at city and highway speeds I couldn't even justify this powertrain as I have to restrain myself and not sure if extra power is more track suited than practical.
Nailed the review. This gen Si harkens back to the 90’s understated Si where only those who know, know.and unlike some of the competition the wearable parts are still reasonable. Whole point of the Si is it’s a civic with the fun turned up.
I’m torn between the Elantra N and this. I had a veloster N and it was so quick and the interior was great. I know the resale on the SI will hold better, but the N for stock for stock seems to be way more fun factor
I heard elantras are bad cars but any car can last forever if taken care of so no worries
And you had to review it in the color that everybody has. LOL . I'm loving my SI and I've only had it for 4 months now. I just now started getting on it and I must say that it is quicker than my 09 GTI and with less displacement I'm impressed. And it's very comfortable
It’s actually a good looking car.
looks good, drive good and has enough room for a few adults and bags. Thanks 😀
2017 si here. Gets much higher mpg than advertised. Easily hits over 50 mpg on highway. But that comes with injectors that will fail around 50k. Do it yourself for about $200. Also, if you ever get crazy dash errors like vsa, break assist, stability control, etc, could just be a bad maf/iat sensor.
Glad you got one to review
Me too, I was thinking id never find one!
Was looking forward for this review from you thank you!
Great review! Keep up the good work. This will be a 100k channel soon.
Thanks! I hope so too
taking possession of my 2024 si this week, i cannot wait 🥰
when I first saw the civic si 2022 - I knew It was the perfect car for me. Hoping they keep the same body shape, and transmission for future years so i can maybe afford it by then!!!
I have this car in the same color. Love the handling and gearbox. The Type-R has a ridiculous mark up in my area when I bought the Si in October 2023.
I picked up the brand new s.I in two thousand twenty two. Now has thirty thousand miles on it. Is the king of the road?No , not by far , but every time I get in that car so much fun to drive.
I'm not really a car girl, but I found this video interesting and informative. Thank you!
So if youre not a car girl, what are you?
@@Neo.Ibarra9281 ... just the regular kind of girl, I guess?
@@SphinxOfBlackQuartz perfect answer😆😆.🙂
Remember this: Honda's 2.0 turbo was designed from the ground-up for performance (strengthened internals, etc.). The 1.5 Turbo was designed from the ground up for economy (low-friction components, including connecting rods, pistons etc.) . When you push more horsepower out of the 1.5 Turbo, it comes at a cost - longevity vs the 2.0 turbo.
No 2.0 means no purchase for me.
I love my 24 si it’s a fantastic daily
I so wish Honda would come out with a hatchback version. I don’t like the size and sedan shape too much for sporty cars but I think I’d get one if a hatchback version was not a possibility.
Wouldnt make sense with the integra out now. The integra is basically a hatchback si
@@Corny5OH Yes, albeit considerably more expensive.
First time coming across your content, solid well spoken review man!
As a Subaru wrx owner Honda civics are definitely fun to drive.
Great car, but no coolant temp gage is a let down..
"The red exterior plastic screams that I play Fortnite"
That might be the most hilarious description of a car's feature I've ever heard on a review. Had me rolling laughing. Well done man lol
Side note, curious where you'd rank the Si compared to the WRX? You seemed to really like the WRX in your review. Which do you think is more fun to drive, or which one would you pick to own?
I get that they are trying to appeal to larger markets but a Si that size just seems kinda off message. I have an 8th and a 9th gen sitting in my garage. The thing I enjoy most is that they have a quality driving experience while still being relatively light and compact and inexpensive to modify/maintain. I test drove a 2023 Si last year at a local dealership when I was shopping for a new daily. Neat car but it didnt feel like a Civic at all. More like a Volvo. I cant decide if thats a compliment or not.
I still have my 9th gen civic(2015).. 120K miles after 9 years and no major repair on the engine or trans.. clutch is still factory and same as the day I got it…Will never sell it even if I upgrade next year lol
My only complaint is it doesn’t have 240-250 Hp
Yeah, either more power or less weight. These have bloated to 3200-3300lbs now.
Good video, to the point with all relevant info
Definitely like this generation
We had an '18 SI that was a wonderful car and I was getting 35-37mpg mixed driving. However, it had MAJOR oil dilution issues (well over the oil full line after only 1-2k driving) even though we live in Arizona, I never drove it hard and I drove a lot on the highway to get the oil temp up. When I called Honda, they said unless the car was stalling or having warning lights, they weren't going to help out. It was very disappointing to hear since I really loved the car otherwise. Hopefully this is not a big issue with the 11th gen SI.
Ouch, that's quite unfortunate and it's especially frustrating to hear a response like that from Honda. I've heard some people acknowledge that their engine has a little dilution by the time they get their oil change done but I haven't heard of it being a serious amount like it was before so II wouldn't worry about it if I was personally buying a new one!
That’s exactly was my concern Oil delusion issue with the new one, I canceled my order and now ordered Integra type S I can’t wait
@@MrScoobieman Probably a very wise decision. Enjoy your Type-S, they are amazing cars that should hold their value 👍
@@MrScoobieman pretty sure Type S will deal with same issues no? Direct inject engines in general have this issue to varying degrees.
@@Hoop_23 I’ve done research on that … I haven’t found any oil delusion issue
The one detail of the Civic Si that has always annoyed me was the fact the front and rear seats materials don't match. In Canada the price of the Si is $40k for that much I'd opt for the Mazda 3 AWD Turbo sedan with caveat it's not as entertaining due to the lack of a manual gearbox.
And that price, ppl pick up a used 440i/ 340i MT instead.
The 2024 Mazda 3 Premium Non-Turbo comes with a stick shift
@@anotheranand need another $25k for maintenance 😅
@@gwpeoples True, my point was that in Canada the price is $40k and if priced similarly you could get AWD, a turbo motor and I'd say a more upscale vehicle.
@@genzigzag definitely a misconception by ppl who haven't owned a modern bmw. A bunch of ppl in our group bought new and used 2014 and older 3/4 series and its just been routine maintenance.
For a few grand more I'd rather buy the Elantra N. Sorry Honda fans but its just a better value. The Si doesn't even get heated seats or adaptive suspension, which the N does get.
Enjoy your couple thousand dollar heated seats
Honda reliability and 35 mpg is what does it for me as far as the si goes...
Very informative. Thank you.
You should do an insurance premium comparison on all these fun cars. I was shocked at the quotes for a GRC, CTR or ITR compared to my Si.
How much of a difference?
@jeffc9511 I pay 80 a month and the cheapest of those was 160
Not sure if they're still marking up the Si still but i think the Elantra N is the sport sedan king without a doubt. 90% performance of a Type R at 10k less. I would argue more fun than the Type R. The Si is just a Civic sport+ to be honest with some parts borrowed from the Type R. The Si is a far cry from what it used be. Having owned one, it's just not a special or value forward car like it once was.
Honda really needs to give this car more power if it’s going to sell it for $30k+. It’s close in price to the WRX…more so than in years past. It’s also pretty close to the Elantra N. The value proposition isn’t there anymore.
I hear that but it is like 4 grand away from the Elantra N. The Elantra is much more entertaining to push hard but I still think this is a better daily and it’s much more fun than the WRX. It’s not always about power! Each of those are better in its own ways but it doesn’t need more power to have its own stronghold in the market imho
@@Realistick I’m not suggesting that Honda needs to give it a ton more power. But even the kind of power bump that the BRZ got absolutely transformed that car.
I’m mostly talking about the power levels that can be achieved with an OTS stage 1 Hondata or Ktuner map. Except from the factory so warranty doesn’t get burned.
I also disagree that this Si is more fun than the current WRX. Last generation was no question, the VA’s awful factory tune made the 10th gen Si objectively more fun to drive. But now that Subaru figured out how to properly tune a car without ridiculous rev hang, I would argue that the VB is the better car.
@@enmass90 A BR-Z powerbump could be nice, though the BR-Z also needed to fix its torque dip, something the SI doesn’t really struggle with. If all you care about is speed, sure, the wrx is more fun but the SI’s gearbox and steering are in a different league and I would much prefer to drive the SI on a nice road than the subie! Rev hang fix was nice but the drivetrain shock needs to be addressed too.
The skyrim sound effect was hilarious 😂
I’m about to buy one of these. Best value for a new car that can do what I want my daily to be able to do
Get an Elantra N. Best bang for buck for a daily sporty car
@@maximus9401n resale value in 6 years is gonna be worth nothing. would rather take less power and drive Honda then to drive the N
@@luisserrano2921 I don't think that would be the case. But even if it is, having owned both, the N is far and above the superior car
As a 24' Si owner, I can confirm that the car has rattles from the factory. It's a fun and peppy car, but the engine isn't as robust as its naturally aspirated and cannot hold much more power than stock. They seem to blow up pretty easily with a mild tune and some bolt ons
Absolutely true 👍 I have one and I'm not planning on adding any hp without an engine swap. The piston rods were made with "eco" standards in mind. It would be funny to see an LS3 in one of these 🤣
Didn't expect shaggy to review cars when he grew up
I must say I still miss the K24
Coming from a 20' Si coupe to a GRC. I couldn't agree more from 40-65 on backroads the Si is actually more fun. Just because you can wind it out more.
Vtec kicked in yo
Are you a fan of Elder Scrolls Oblivion? I notice you use a lot of music from that game.
More of a fan of the memes, only briefly dabbled with the game when I was a kid!
It is a great little car that is a good everyday driving and some fun on the weekend backroads or highways. Sort of like the Miata. Would be interesting to hear you do a comparison with the regular Civic sport/touring. How much is the true difference.
I really like the looks of the si. Depending on pricing, I'd probably go touring with a manual and then tune it for more power. But then the limited slip would be nice so who knows. Thing that kills me is how low you sit in the civic. Wish you sat a bit higher. Regardless I'm definitely a fan of the new civic.
The touring is actually like $3k more I want to say!
This is not a good platform for tuning. Engine internals are at their absolute limits above stock power levels.
I wanted the new Si but they were marked up still. So i got the new acura integra a spec tech. In a manual :) basically same car with more luxuries
but at the same price as a GR corolla and more expensive than gti or wrx.
I'm more of a fan of the FK styling. I think they nailed that hatch model, but that's just me.
If we got everything the Canadian spec si got I would've bought one by now
Imagine how many of these they'd sell if the stealerships were reasonable
Hence, he said at the end that if there is a mark-up for the Si you’re looking at, just move up to the Integra aspec tech
@@kikomanster8188 question is, can you find one at MSRP the way they're selling? It's also like a 5k jump assuming the integras aren't marked up as well
Yes, the Si’s are selling here in Seattle around $3-5k markups while the Integra is selling at msrp. I know because I was looking at Si before I just bought the Integra instead. The interior of the Integra compared to the Si is worth it plus the els 3d studio alone trumps the Bose in Si.
In my region (central tx) my honda dealer had this marked up to $41k. The acura dealer was selling a base integra for $37k. I'll have to recheck since this was just under 2 years ago
It definitely needs some updates, a little more horsepower 230 would be enough to make it where it should be, and keep the type R owners happy, how much would it cost to put driving lights in they get them in Canada, heated seats would be a nice touch by the way, that’s how it is in Canada and keep the price about where it’s at but for the kind of money they’re asking you can get a lot more car is it a better car maybe not but how many people keep a car 10 years if you’re only keeping a car 3 to 5 years any car out there we go that long. I looked at SI and Just was not impressed with the performance. the shifter was suspension felt good and handling. Although now on the forums, I hear they have some kind of issue with their steering box not sure why everybody’s trying to make less power and the other companies that aren’t afraid of more power I think we’re gonna win. Test drove a Kia k5 GT which out the door was 2k more and although not a fan of Kia cars it was very impressive interior, features, and 290hp. Would Honda be better long term yea I would think but if your getting a new car every 3-5 years it doesn’t matter :)
I Test drove an Si at mcgrath city, and yes they gave us the msrp number. but there was an extra 3500 dollar non negotiable Speciatly vehicle fee that was only on the Si and the Type R which was 7k over.
Isn't a specialty vehicle fee just a market adjustment? When was that? They said no markup when I spoke with them last Wednesday!
Almost bought this car… But I bought a tundra instead. 😂 I love it, but it’s obviously a whole different vehicle! Oh well, I’ll make the jump one day.
the canadian version is the perfect version, it sucks that the US version has so many basic features stripped away
Can you an Integra aspec tech review
How would you compare this to a 2019 Fiesta ST? That’s what I have now
Great video!! I really like how you put in perspective that it’s a fun car to drive with more than enough power to push around but it’s still bound by its price point and we can’t expect the world from it lol. Quick question… Does it have the redline bars above the tachometer?
Thanks! And no, that is exclusive to the Canadian specs unfortunately (the canadian spec also comes with the full digital cluster, foglights, heated front and rear seats, and heated steering wheel too🥴)
@@RealistickAhh of course 😢! Lucky Canadians! Thanks for the reply
Where is the sports sedan?
8 gen si was the king
This car should be around 25-26k because 30k is too much since its close to other competitors that offers more. But I do like this generation civic si
Id still rather get the gli. Cooled seats, great dsg, power seats heated steering wheel and dynamic chasis control. Plus the drive is amazing.
From all research I've found the drive isn't anywhere near as good as the Si, it's slower and far less reliable. Are they wrong? Was thinking about GTI. Also heard manual gear box was crap, would DSG be the way to go?
@Hoop_23 well id say so. Aint no way the gli is slower. Plus i have test driven it and its so good. The dsg is smooth and the ride is either chill and comfy or nice and firm depending on what setting ur on. I really like it.
In Puerto Rico the Mark UPS are insane. 45,000 😒
And a really "really" close source is telling me even with an employee discount they will only go down 4k on them, so the discount is worthless if they will only go down to 41k.
Thanks for the great video. I just put a deposit down on a SI. I never had leather seats before my beloved 2013 Veloster which was totaled last week (thank God no one hurt badly and not my fault). I never thought I’d care about leather, but I surely did love it. Do you find the material nice enough or do you think an after market upgrade to leather worth it? I’d appreciate your feedback. Thanks.
I love mine except for the faulty steering racks which I already had replaced at 20k miles and will probably need another before the next 20k.
I just can't get excited about the American SI knowing the Canadian SI has more options and it's cheaper.
Same price
I think you sold me the subaru forester years ago, anyway GREAT Video!
I love my 23 Si. I wouldn't call it "performance" car though LOL..
“Screams in VRECH” is hilarious
I hope you get a type r to review.
I'm waiting for a review of the civic type r from you, would like to hear your opinion about that car.
Pricing one now in upstate NY…they said 3K over but quickly went down to 2.5. Not budging from there. I’d jump on it at sticker. So annoying
Why no hatchback
Great review man, I'm looking at getting one of tbese in the next few weeks and im excited. Just a quick rant though - i hate and find it so annoying whrn review videos say that "200 hp isnt fast." Since when? Its so annoying because reviewers test all kinds of cars and yes obviously the civic si wont be as fast as a bmw m5 or a porsche 911, but why do people pretend 200 hp is something to scoff at and is considered slow? Put someone in a nissan versa with 130 hp and they wont be able to tell how "slow" it is. Idk, idk if that makes sense, just annoying. Its even worse in moyorcycle review videos
It’s definitely a car to be excited about so here’s my preemptive congrats 🎉. It can get annoying when people get fixated on 200 hp when the car is just 30k, but before slamming some reviews, remember that it is a sport sedan. People are going to be critical over the performance. If the article/video finishes and they say it’s too slow to compete, THEN id say it’s bs. After all, the SI isn’t about numbers, it’s about abundant yet sensible fun!
@@Realistick i understand, being marketed as a "sports" sedan/car definitely has its implications. I currently have an 04 is300 and have had it for over 10 years. It has ~217 hp (probably less since cars lose power as they get older) and it feels fast enough for me, faster than pretty much any other normal car on the road, so for me ~17 less horsepower is not going to make me think im riding a snail, if that makes sense. I just think that people are too obsessed with numbers on paper, as you stated in the review
Yeah, they are just quick enough for spirited commuting. Its just frustrating that competitors keep increasing power, where Honda seems to just increasing weight/size and stagnating around 200HP.
0:56 a moment of silence for me please
The sport touring gives you the manual. Not the regular touring
Let's not forget the price point. It's easy to compare this to the integra, but the a spec is 10k more.
The integra can be haggled or marked down and the si may get marked up so the gap is a lot closer.
Fun car , 2022 SI 11k miles here , just don’t buy one with a defected steering rack
Not having a manual e-brake is absolutely unacceptable!
I thought it would be heavier
Nice video
Bethesda/Elder Scrolls soundtrack?!
Got a 2020 accord sport 1.5t, looking to trade it in for a 24 si
now tell me. does it have the vtec characteristics?
For the same price or less you can buy a WRX all-wheel drive 271 horse that's a lot more than the Civic
Id like to mention the feature set you get spending a little more on a mk8, heated seats, heated steering wheel, rear vents and a hatch. I cross shoped a si with the mk8 gti and ended up with the gti.
That’s a good thing to mention, I think this would be a fun comparison to make!
You also get a VW headache
I was about to upgrade from 22 si to a 24 gti but I hear nothing but bad things about reliability and the plastic toy feeling shifter.
Interesting comparing it to the GTI, as its power feels much closer to VW's base 158HP 1.5 turbo M/T I drove. You can only feel a little extra power in the SI 3rd gear and above.
Other key difference is noise level. The Golf is much much much quieter inside.
The other big difference, the Golf infotainment sucks. And crashes. Still. 2 years in. 2022 owner here. There are far fewer GTI out there so it's more rare if that matters.
No perfect car in this price range.
This is a very good car, I will not deny that. But it's only good stock. If you wanna modify then I suggest looking up a breakdown of the L series to the K series. The internals are very dinky and small/skinny for the sake of fuel economy.
Lmao thats if you push PSI past 25+, then youre kinda asking for the engine to go boom 💥
I'm moving to Michigan soon and I don't know if the Si is a good option for the winter or if I should consider something else. In your top 2023 cars you said that the Si falls flat in winter
I think Zack might have said that? (I cant remember saying that) but If you’re living in Michigan, it would make sense to get snow tires, in which case, the SI would still be a good option. The WRX would have an advantage if you’re in a more hilly or rural region, but it’s less fun day-to-day and costs more to run.
Agree with the snow tire recommendation. I live in Michigan and have been through 2 winters with my "22 Si. The all-season tires will not get you through heavy snow, otherwise you'll be OK. @@Realistick
It dosent have seat warmer, so your but won’t like the Michigan weather. 😁
@@janoskovacs11 true! though for like $400ish , most dealers know a company that can have them installed for you. If you look really closely at the seat of this car, youll actually a see a little switch because the owner had heated front seats installed!
@@Realistick You are 100% correct, it was Zack who said that. I tried to for the WTX but there is not base trim only Limited, which does not fit my budget! There is a Si MSRP near, so I might snatch that or the Golf GTI.
Thank you for replying!
Was thinking about getting the Acura Integra A Spec Tech.
Me too until I got to the final cost.
Needs more power to be the king
Valid, though I'd personally prefer great handling, reliability and a fun gearbox at 30k over what the competition offers (though the Elantra N tempts me).
Would take the en over the si. Get the type r if you need more power to be the king
Great fun car but if you want a city car a manual is a pain.
What color would you all recommend?
Nice but you get more for the buck with the Elantra N-line
Liked for the Skyrim music
issue is that besides the power you still need to spend 400+ a month for years with the base car. I’d rather live with a base civic vs any other car so an SI or type R is a no brained.
A base civic MT is about $3,000 cheaper. To me, the SI is a no brainer at MSRP!
@@Realistick correct, i was referring to having to live with a GTI or Subaru for everyday needs and reliability. The civic as a platform is just a better vehicle.
@@armandocardona6975 ah I see!