I absolutely love the way James always says "and I'm James". It's like a super excited child whose still just a tiny bit nervous to be on TV. Literally puts a smile on my face to start every single video!
They did that with the TLX Type S and look at how available those are now. Acura having the American aspect will be more available than the Japan made Type R.
If I could get one at MSRP I’d choose this over the Type R. I just love the looks of the ITS and I like how there isn’t red carpet in the ITS. I’m a V8 guy but man the ITS is just very compelling to me.
James, Thomas & the crew, it was great getting to spend the day with you guys again with our shop FL5! From where I was standing behind the start line the launches were perfect on both cars; ITS definitely showed its low and mid-range torque advantage in the drag race, so a very fair win to it 👏🏼 It's true the +R mode in the FL5 is dialed up too stiff for use on anything but the smoothest of surfaces. We daily drive our FL5 on a different 18x9.5 +45 275/35R18 setup and even tried 265/40R18 on 18x9.5 +38 setup, both are better for real world use. Now it's time to mod this like our shop FK8 build, and get it up in the 4xx whp range so no stock ITS can bully it around 😂 Edit: Savagegeese shared in their video that the ITS Dyno'd with 15 more WHP (same fuel, same day, same dyno). It should come as no surprise the DE5 will win a drag race.
Ah I KNEW there was an aftermarket exhaust on that Civic! It sounded too good to be true! I saw somewhere else that exhaust on the CTR can actually HINDER performance, so I'm wondering if it helped or hurt here. But... NOT STOCK! Come on TH, should have mentioned that. edit- I just noticed the tiny little reference at the bottom right. I missed that one... I can't imagine it would make that much of a difference but maybe in larger print next time or an audible reference. If drag races are being used as a metric for cars like these, let's at least have all the facts.
@@optronix Car felt no different in terms of response before and after the exhaust, the Integra Type S just has the legs on it in a straight line. There's other videos that also show the ITS getting ahead in a drag race because it's tuned for early-mid range power delivery
In the roll race, all the Integra's advantage looked to be mid-band related with the gap stable at the end. 5HP won't really make any difference but bumping the torque curve will.
You guys are also forgetting extra drag associated with the FL5 The rear wing , combined with the rear diffuser and redesigned bonnet and front fascia all work together to produce 92kg of downforce at 200km/h It is also why the previous gen (FK8) is faster in a straight line as the new FL5 is a more track focused car.
Objectively it’s a great car. The problem is the Honda and Acura dealership markups that have been going insane. The last three years have changed the reputation of these cars from being ”Oh wow look a cool car,” To “Someone with the financial literacy of a dolphin paid $75,000 for that civic.”
@@sonnyzhao2309 Nope, they've paid MSRP + dealer installed options (required) at best they only paid $5-7k over and high interest rate loans. If you don't get killed by Honda's markups there's also the interest rate and application fees. Anybody here who spends over $60k on this car and doesn't own a house shouldn't be buying such an expensive car.
Your comments on price hit the nail on the head. Back in the mid 90’s, the Integra GS-R undercut the entry level Bimmers and Mercedes to the point where they made sense. You got an option loaded and performance value. Today, not so much. From what everyone has been saying, you get a great car, it’s just difficult to really justify buying when compared to the offerings from Audi and BMW. Shit, I would consider a VW Golf R and save a couple bucks in this price point range.
its an acura tho , its so much more reliable than the European cars. Its expensive because of the quality of the materials. The amount of money spent on repairs / maintenance on BMWs in the long term is greater than the price of an acura.
Even compared to older Honda offerings they don't make sense. For $58,000 I could import an AP1 S2000, DC5 Type R , CL7 Euro R and still have over 10 grand for mods, repairs and gas. The new cars don't even have real VTEC.
@@rickroma lol, that would be a smart choice.. and get the Type R/integra for the weekends. I’m not hating on electric SUV’s I mean who doesn’t want a Rivian?
Pricing and availability have really killed the lust for this and the Type R. It's a real shame because I've always been a Honda fan at heart. But I'm happy with my Elantra N and it's nice hear Thomas agrees too
Same path for me. Always been a Honda guy, but I'm really impressed with my current Elantra N. I've done 30k (km) in the last 5 month of my EN and it's aging well... Sucks that Honda is limiting production of Type-S. A lot of companies are purposefully disrupting production to increase inflation which isn't cool, cause most people I know are suffering from inflated cost of everything.
I really wish the EN had a better looking design. It’s such a good value, and does look badass, but it’s just not a beautiful and cohesive looking machine, which holds me back from getting one.
Can we all just appreciate how consistent Thomas is, as a racing driver, to pull that time off? I bet if Thomas drove for Williams F1 instead of Latifi, Lewis would be an 8x DWC.
The test car these guys got for the Type S has the same issue as the A-spec they received for their first integra review. The black exterior color. It just hides all the design characteristics.
But if you like the murdered out look, the flake in the black looks pretty good. But black paint will never really look great on a car with this much gloss black plastic that has the purpose of defining the edges in the design.
It’s a great car (as is its Civic Type R stablemate ) but sadly, even excluding the dealer mark ups it’s too expensive for ordinary consumers. Enthusiast vehicles are now only affordable to the well off, and not the every day consumer that they were originally targeted for.
find a dealer without markups. when I was looking to buy a FK8 Type R 2 years ago I found lots of dealers wanting ADM but ended up finding a dealer who would sell at retail plus $1000 in dealer add-ons. I also was looking for a new Cayman GTS 4.0 last year and a dealer offered me one at MSRP but I ultimately purchased a 981 GT4 instead of waiting a year for the allocation to come in once ordered.
@@_Suzuka_Joe still think they're out of range for most folks. I found one for MSRP, but I was more lucky that things happened to work financially for me.
It’s MSRP is about $4500 over the average median price for a new car in 2023. And that gets you a sub 3300lbs 4 door with a manual that can pull 1.02 G’s on the skid pad that has good resale value and legendary reliability and it’s not too slow either…the only other car that fits that criteria is the Type R. The Elantra N is about 90-95% as capable as the Honda twins for about $14-15K less… depending on options and add ons of course. Yep a loaf of bread isn’t 10 cent’s anymore!!!
price has already gone down, a dealer near me was offering msrp (52k) as out the door price with nothing else added but Im hesitant to buy a manual car in high traffic area
@@ducnut and none of them at That price compete with the type s in performance or luxury feel. You get what you pay for. I think it is a little over priced but you have to spend mid 40s on a car to compete with the type s.
I'm sure they're great cars, but the pricing on both the Type R and the Type S is just insane. The $15k price jump from the Si to the R is crazy enough, but then Acura felt like they had to price above that for the Integra and it ended up in M240i/S4 territory which is just way out of its league. And if you start looking at used cars it gets even worse for the Type S. It may be fantastic, but I don't see myself ever owning one.
It’s 15k better than si and s for sure. Can’t argue with the bmw argument. This will probably last longer and have cheaper maintenance overall than 2 series or Audi. but if you can get it for the correct msrp pricing it’s seems worth it.
I was able to land a Type S for MSRP. The Type R’s are going for more than what I’m paying because of the insane markups so it was a no brainer. The price isn’t great but there’s extremely limited options for practical sports cars with manual transmissions unfortunately.
@lukemothug I'm sure they know but won't take the extra step. I see videos of people saying " Let's turn of traction control" and hit the traction button which just limits how aggressive traction is but it's still very aggressive. I have the integra and by doing the "pedal dance" it shaves off around .5 secs from the 0-60
@@AnotherRichEXP after you turn it off, do you have to do the pedal dance everytime you start the car, or does setting remain. ANd if it remains, is there another dance to turn it back on? Planning on purchasing this car in a few months.
Im only at the drag race portion so dunno if its mentioned later but the ITS has more than the 5hp on paper over the CTR. Savagegeese already did an in-depth comparison video and dyno’d both cars, the ITS actually makes over 15hp to wheels more than the CTR! So should explain how it pulled on the CTR as it did
I'm not in any way an expert, but I would say 5hp on paper because that is the official number. It would be 15hp in real world testing with independent dyno. Maybe different testers get different results? In my opinion, the real difference is in the mid range torque tuning.
@@mediocreman2 I agree with you. I said officially in response to machine_spirit saying "the ITS has more than 5hp on paper over the CTR". So what he is saying is that on paper the ITS has 15hp more than the CTR. I strongly disagree with that statement. The number that Acura provides is the official number. The number that an independent tester provides is an unofficial number. I'm not an English major so I could be wrong. But to me, the "on paper" number would be the official number.
Make the Type R $35K - $37KK again and this $40K - $42K and it starts to make a lot more sense. When I got my FK8 for 35K, I felt like I was driving a deal. But an ITS at $50K (assuming no mark-up), starts feeling like a tough pill to swallow instead.
Honestly, for me the biggest value proposition for the Integra is that Honda/Acura are in a different league of reliability and maintenance cost than its performance competitors in the Germans and Hyundai/Subaru. In addition, if you like to work on cars yourself, the design of the engine, the layout of the car, and even the amount of space you have in the engine bay is so inviting. When these cars are 10 years old, out of warranty, parts getting replaced anyway, they are going to be tuner dreams.
I daily an S5 sportback and my biggest complaint is that it is too much car for the road. If you really want to wring it out for more than 5 seconds you end up in lose your license territory. But the looks, the sound, the awesome interior, the noticeable differences between comfort and dynamic modes, plus the overall “specialness” are what keep me driving it. Even if I have to be mindful of how heavy my right foot is.
This is something I used to see alot online too much power isn’t a good thing for the road. I never really understood it, I purchased a tuned MK7 GTI and now even at nearly just the 400hp mark I COMPLETELY get it haha. I count to 3 at WOT and Im doing 90+.
@@shizabox yup. I learned less is more when it comes to power on my NA Miata journey. I started off bone stock, and ended up widebody, built motor, turbo, whole 9 yards, pushing out ~240 WHP. By the end of my mod journey it was an absolute weapon. Made the S5 feel like a base Civic. But that wasn’t even close to the best version of the car. That car was most fun with just lightweight wheels (Kosei K1) and the cheapest all season tires money could buy, no other mods. More skids at slow speeds = more fun. Fun and horsepower are not at all correlated.
i feel you, i dailey a 22 supra 3.0 and you are doing "going to jail speeds" in just seconds. To really push the car on the road you are going 3-5 times the speed limit. but it is soooo much fun!!
This is my dilemma now too. I want to get something sporty, fun and practical for my next daily. Do I go for something like a Civic Si or smth faster like a GTI/WRX/Elantra N. Do I spend a bit more and get R/Type R/GR corolla if I get lucky? Hard to decide if I really need all that speed/sportiness. I've never had anything sporty before. I don't plan to track or modify anything.
I absolutely love the Integra and I'm so gutted that we don't get this in the UK! A million times better to look at than the Civic, more practical, more comfortable and no downside!
For me, you guys give the best reviews on cars for one to decide on which car to buy/choose, even though I cannot afford to buy the cars you review 😅. Fun and ABSOLUTELY INFORMATIVE, period! More power to both of you and the to the Throttle House team.
Cool car, still doesn't match the price tag for me though. It does fit a nice little niche that I am sure many people will enjoy, and honestly I wouldn't mind having one in my garage if the price were a little lower. Great review guys!
This should have been the Integra Type R and included SH-AWD for the price. The Integra Type S should have been this car for $40-$42K and used the 2.0T from the previous Honda Accord Sport with ~250hp/270Tq.
Rather get a last gen STI. Have you seen Syms STI on the Hot version of Best motoring? It can beat tuned FL5 CTR. Don't think any car can't be modded and go faster.
Honestly, very happy your track is “bumpy” because it can also reflect a curvy backroad. Our W204 C63 sounded great on curves but in reality, it was too stiff and stepped out on bumpy turns
Speaking of the better grip with softer suspension, Keiichi Tsuchiya and a colleague took the FL5 around Tsukuba and ended up getting their fastest laps in Comfort mode. Wish you guys could go back and try more laps in different drive modes on your track.
I watched this same video of dk doing this lap in the fl5 arount tsukuba in comfort mode, and pulling faster times. The r mode setting is just stupid. It's so stiff the car becomes bouncy and it actually makes the car less functional. I bet in individual mode with the engine in plus r and the dampers on comfort it would have beat the its. They are both great cars though.
@@adim00lah Oh, yeah, it looked way too stiff, especially for that track and those tires. I guess the good thing is, it's available to use when you have a smoother track and sticky tires (probably good with R-comps) just by pushing a button without having to swap out suspension components. I'm pretty sure I'd use +R for Solo II autocrossing, too.
Agreed. On a glass smooth track, the FL5 would shine. It’s more dialed in. However in the real world, the DE5 is just faster all around and it better be for the price difference. There’s no way heated seats and a few extra speakers make it cost 7 grand more, especially with those tacked on rear fenders which can be removed if you pull hard enough
@@adim00lah I’m saying. I don’t agree with the pricing structure. That and the Type R will always hold the crown for resale and desirability. It’s sought after across the world while the Type S is built in Ohio and only sold in North America. From a future investment perspective alone I’d take the Type R
I would be interested in seeing how much of a difference the traction control actually makes on the lap times of the cars at your track. Maybe a "control" lap with it on would be informative?
Canadian price makes sense, in the US it's the same as the M240ix (which is insane). Personally, I'll forego the 6MT (although I love mine in my RSX-S) for 100hp, AWD, a moonroof, and oddly enough much better mpg. At $52K USD Acura got too greedy. Fan bois will buy it though as it's super low volume for a reason.
@@Av3ntur0zky that's because the majority of new BMW's on the road are leases, and the few owners tend to get rid of their car once the warranty expires.
For the drag race, that +5hp is peak hp, which doesn't tell a whole lot of what's going on in the rest of the rev range. My guess is the integra has a meatier powerband the whole way through.
Honda might not be using the angry little NA motors any more but it's good to see them still making multiple fun little fwd cars I'm interested to see what the Honda community looks like in 10 years when more people can get their hands on these as well as the base integra and civic si
I’m getting this car holy I love this, I got a Honda civic 2014 right now but it’s no where close to this saving up for this maybe I’ll see this car in 10 months
I'm learning auto body paint (quite late in life) and watching these videos of high end cars and seeing some of those not-so-pristine paint jobs [orange peel, sags, etc] makes me feel better about my work. 😂
Guys, remember to give us all the detailed information that we car-nuts like, don’t go top-gear on us and just focus on the entertainment. I want to know: 1. How is the brake feel, is the pedal firm also after repeated hard braking? Are the brakes progressive? 2. How is the turn-in, is it as good as the FK8, is it worse than the FL5? 3. How does the gearbox feel? 4. Is the engine really more responsive compared to FK8 or is it still laggy as hell? 5. How is the sound, is it better now and not just louder? Does it still send fake noise through the speakers? 6. How is the steering feel?
What i love about this match up is how close they were back in the day. Ut the integra would almost always just barely win *not getting into all the nitty-gritty on every model from the 90s its just a general reminisce*
Splitting hairs either way, but I bet the Type R spoiler costs a lot more aerodynamically (in a straight line) than the 1% weight reduction. Even as much as 10% isn't that unlikely once you account for losses in lift and increases in drag (lift reducing rolling resistance, as long as traction isn't exceeded).
The type s is something that i can see myself owning. Ive always been a fan of any car "in a suit." I like to have fun with something understated. My first car was a supra in a suit (sc300), my second car was a Camarao in a suit (Ats) and the type s would continue the trend. My favorite part about these cars is that you can alot of the parts from its cheaper sibling, when things go wrong.
The amount of times the "Integra" on the rear bumper was used with a pan shot, was more than 20 times. The same shot. We know because of the piece of leaf that was on it. Lazy edit =) LOVE the channel, videos, knowledge and commentary! Long time fan and will continue!
I live in Pennsylvania. The Piazza dealership legit shamelessly pointed out that the mark up is 15k. Then he said they dropped it by 5k and now it's "only" about 67k. These mark ups should be illegal
@@M4B21S88It's closer to 15hp at the wheels iirc. But the Stock CTR is something like 10.1lbs per/hp. The ITS is getting around 15 wheel hp for 31lbs of weight and (possibly) slightly less aggressive aero. That's just under 2lbs per/hp and is reflected in it's a good car length difference between the two if not more for the quarter.
Yep. $60k fora 13.7 second 1/4. I realize things have changed, but back in September 2020 rolled out in an 11.3 mustang GT PP with 6,000kms on it for $44,000 clearout before things got stupid.
@@hissingoose A Mustang and Integra are different beasts. A lot of people live in colder climates so RWD isn't exactly safe. I used to live in a warm climate and owned a Mustang and it was definitely a fun tail-happy car, though 2 doors, minimal space and questionable long term reliability. You should test drive one though. They aren't exactly slow, especially with the expansive mod market to upgrade. Still I heard the phrase "it's more fun to drive a slower car fast, than it is to drive a faster car slow", because of speed limits and risking license suspension, instead of rowing out the gears and using the full throttle and being clamped under like 50% of your power output. It is true pricing is high but everything is nowadays.
I would love to see a video where you take a reasonable amount of money (idk, $40k, $50k, whatever) and get a brand new car (including dealer markup), a gently used car (maybe 3-5 years old), and a decently used car (maybe 7-10 years old) all for the same price and compare. Probably not the most thrilling of videos but honestly would be the most relatable since this is the dilemma most enthusiast car owners face today. Plus dealer markups are insane so I’d be interested to see what you could actually get away with vs MSRP
Kinda already gave an idea in the Z video. That's nearly the first owner, second owner, third owner dilemma. And really wouldn't be all that fun if a video unless they just needed content. Easiest one would be the last 3 generations of the BMW 330i which their general standard price to performance car.
@@Vermonstered I was thinking wider scope than just three model generations of the same car; for example compare a new Elantra N to a 2018 RS5 to a 2013 M5 or something like that; basically seeing if there is a sweet spot in the new car vs fast old car debate. How far does $40k get you, if you really think about it. Kind of like a top gear cheap car challenge except the cars aren’t that cheap lmao
@@alexherman77 Old cars will always win that if we're talking price point battle. $52k Integra Type-S new, 2018 M2 or M3 competition and say something like an early 2010's Audi R8 quattro. All around $50-60k. Pretty easy to see who gets destroyed. The benefit of new cars is they should be able to run without breaking down and why these German cars (besides Porsche) all depreciate so much.
I love your guy's channel so much!!! I appreciate all the knowledge I wouldn't get elsewhere on vehicles I would never see on my own and love the skits and how your little points of humor make up for the blandness of a car review! You guys are like a better version of Top gear (from back in the day)! I went from a mechanic that didn't care about cars to saving up money to try and treat myself to something nice so THANK YOU! The only thing that would make this channel better is some type of pretty woman integrated into the channel but honestly no need.
I love Honda so much but its too pricey. Im actually inclined to get the WRX at this point and just colour match the body panels for less than a grand. I saw some builds and they look like a modern STi when you get a wing with it. My only concern is the engine... I also am considering the Mazda 3 Turbo which looks absolutely stunning, and there aren't many builds out there yet so I can probably get away with a unique car for myself here in northern Canada hehe.
The historical Integra was always a slightly nicer Civic that was similar in speed, so I'm not surprised that the CTR and ITS are so similar in performance. I don't think I would buy it if I had the means, but Honda (Acura) did a good job with this car. Also, I do have to say, this thing looks really good in black.
I feel like the obvious upgrade for not a big price difference is the CT4-V Blackwing. The dealer markups seem to have cooled on those, and the minimally optioned ones are just massive upgrades for about $10k more (much less difference when you compare street prices). RWD, also a great manual gearbox, massive power boost, finer interior (still no Audi S5, but darn good), by all accounts an extraordinary car to drive, one of the best suspensions in the business, etc.
@@bunzaroo Went and built a ct4-V Blackwing and with minimal options and a manual it is 62k, current markups on Type Rs put it at around the same price, it really is a no brainer too bad 62k is just too much money for a lot of people including myself...
I thought the music at 0:20 was turbo flutter for a second and got really excited. Another great review of a car that's already marked up to an extent usually reserved for Ferraris and Porsches!
@@commonsense8342 not sure what you mean, car and driver rate the Type R above the RS3. Take a look at the CAR Magazine video on TH-cam. Anyway, if you rate all weather grip and power over a manual with sharper turn in and better feel, than the RS3 makes sense. I’ll compare the 2 as I considered both, but the Type R won as more of a drivers car, arguably not as good of an all-rounder though.
It would be hard for me. I think the Integra looks wayyyyy better. I really hate the styling of the 11th gen Civics, especially the Type R with that wing that looks like it doesn't belong. It looks like a 16 year old got handed down their mom's Accord and put a spoiler on it to try to make it look cool. But, there are several problems with the Integra too. I don't like the exhaust on the Integra, never liked pops and bangs. I don't like you can't easily turn off traction control. And I don't like that it seems the seats are a big step down from the Civic. So if I had to choose, I think I'd rather just get a used 10th gen Type R over either of these.
I saw one of these in metallic white when I took my MDX Type S in for service. I think the car is great looking. Would love to drive one but they are pretty rare at this point so might have to wait till the dealership gets another one. BTW, where was the GT 350 time in your list of lap times? Did I miss it?
i have a reservation for a '24 TLX Type S and i actually went up and drove their '23 ITS demo car and man its a blast to drive, im really thinking about switching now lol
It seems expensive, but tell me what other 300+ hp luxury performance sedan you can get with a stick for the same price. It's kind of in its own category just for people who appreciate what they're trying to do here, and I love it for that.
Well besides your 300hp+ stipulation you get the 280hp WRX and Elantra N for around $30k..throw a tune on and well. Of course the Acura is nicer inside than those but still. You are right that we are truly screwed in our selection of manual sedans not named Blackwing
see THAT is the problem...you have to tell yourself that to justify the price tag....YOU SHOULD NOT HAVE TO! If cars were priced normally this would be around 35-50k canadian all day....not 60-80k canadian....the elantra n isnt a option for any normal person.....because its a hyundai it will need a engine in 5-10,000kms as per the norm....thus making it massivly unreliable
I ended up getting this car but that is basically what i was hoping. The integra is this weird performance car that does it all but type r seats in black would have been chefs kiss
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I absolutely love the way James always says "and I'm James". It's like a super excited child whose still just a tiny bit nervous to be on TV. Literally puts a smile on my face to start every single video!
You meant internet not TV right? 😂
It's like he's just happy to be invited to the birthday party!
It is as if he just found out his name was James and he was saying it for the very first time just to hear it out loud!
The dealers are going crazy with this one. I’ve seen $70k plus price tags
I saw one for 82k the other day. Thats insane for a Civic
They did that with the TLX Type S and look at how available those are now.
Acura having the American aspect will be more available than the Japan made Type R.
@@trentimus5700really? I didn't know anyone wanted that TLX (besides the hardcore brand loyals)
My local Acura dealer doesn't mark them up. I bought my 2000 Type-R from them for sticker as well.
And idiots are paying for it 😂 imagine spending 50k on an 4 cylinder front wheel drive integra 😂
Looooooove the back-to-basics approach on this review. No scripting or side stories. Just cars, driving and good characters.
This and what they normally do are great too
Uhhh
I mean they do go over a script in advance with talking points but yeah they don't follow a verbatim script
They do this mostly for comparisons and drag races.
Add just for story this car! Do something spent for the buy sell.
If I could get one at MSRP I’d choose this over the Type R. I just love the looks of the ITS and I like how there isn’t red carpet in the ITS. I’m a V8 guy but man the ITS is just very compelling to me.
No way in hell I would pay that much money for a damn Civic, I don't care how fast it is, it's still a FWD civic
@@drunkhusband6257exactly it's a fun car sure but you could get so much more for your money
@@drunkhusband6257it’s not about speed, it’s about the experience
Exactly no way in hell I'd pay 40k for a FWD car. Don't care how fast it is.@@fifteen8850
@@Anywaaysfor 70-80k might as well get yourself 718 Porsche.
Although the platform has changed so much, I still would love to see an “Old vs New” on this from you guys
one of my favorite series on the channel... DC5-R vs DE5-S ... TH lets make it happen!
db8 integra would be interesting to see next to its successor.
The question is if they should have the old car be an Integra type R, or an RSX type S.
@@clumsygarage1578...or 8th gen Civic Si FA5/FG2
8th gen Si
James, Thomas & the crew, it was great getting to spend the day with you guys again with our shop FL5! From where I was standing behind the start line the launches were perfect on both cars; ITS definitely showed its low and mid-range torque advantage in the drag race, so a very fair win to it 👏🏼
It's true the +R mode in the FL5 is dialed up too stiff for use on anything but the smoothest of surfaces. We daily drive our FL5 on a different 18x9.5 +45 275/35R18 setup and even tried 265/40R18 on 18x9.5 +38 setup, both are better for real world use.
Now it's time to mod this like our shop FK8 build, and get it up in the 4xx whp range so no stock ITS can bully it around 😂
Edit: Savagegeese shared in their video that the ITS Dyno'd with 15 more WHP (same fuel, same day, same dyno). It should come as no surprise the DE5 will win a drag race.
Ah I KNEW there was an aftermarket exhaust on that Civic! It sounded too good to be true!
I saw somewhere else that exhaust on the CTR can actually HINDER performance, so I'm wondering if it helped or hurt here. But... NOT STOCK! Come on TH, should have mentioned that.
edit- I just noticed the tiny little reference at the bottom right. I missed that one... I can't imagine it would make that much of a difference but maybe in larger print next time or an audible reference. If drag races are being used as a metric for cars like these, let's at least have all the facts.
@@optronix Car felt no different in terms of response before and after the exhaust, the Integra Type S just has the legs on it in a straight line. There's other videos that also show the ITS getting ahead in a drag race because it's tuned for early-mid range power delivery
Still going to get the FL5 hopefully by next year.
Need to get my Sales Manager on speed dial to put me infront of that queue to get my hands on one.
In the roll race, all the Integra's advantage looked to be mid-band related with the gap stable at the end. 5HP won't really make any difference but bumping the torque curve will.
You guys are also forgetting extra drag associated with the FL5
The rear wing , combined with the rear diffuser and redesigned bonnet and front fascia all work together to produce 92kg of downforce at 200km/h
It is also why the previous gen (FK8) is faster in a straight line as the new FL5 is a more track focused car.
Objectively it’s a great car. The problem is the Honda and Acura dealership markups that have been going insane. The last three years have changed the reputation of these cars from being ”Oh wow look a cool car,” To “Someone with the financial literacy of a dolphin paid $75,000 for that civic.”
Dolphins are smarter than that 🤣
if you go on the forum, you will see most people paid MSRP for these cars.
@@sonnyzhao2309 it's prolly 60 40
This is the only interesting car they are getting in the decade. They are going to mark it up every chance they have.
@@sonnyzhao2309 Nope, they've paid MSRP + dealer installed options (required) at best they only paid $5-7k over and high interest rate loans. If you don't get killed by Honda's markups there's also the interest rate and application fees. Anybody here who spends over $60k on this car and doesn't own a house shouldn't be buying such an expensive car.
Wanted one of these until the price was announced. Ended up getting Wrx with no markup. Couldn't be any happier.
Shoulda bought a Honda
Wait till you try and sell it and its worth nothing anymore.
Who cares cars arent assests man but honda always better the subie
Your comments on price hit the nail on the head. Back in the mid 90’s, the Integra GS-R undercut the entry level Bimmers and Mercedes to the point where they made sense. You got an option loaded and performance value. Today, not so much. From what everyone has been saying, you get a great car, it’s just difficult to really justify buying when compared to the offerings from Audi and BMW. Shit, I would consider a VW Golf R and save a couple bucks in this price point range.
elantra n maybe too?
its an acura tho , its so much more reliable than the European cars. Its expensive because of the quality of the materials. The amount of money spent on repairs / maintenance on BMWs in the long term is greater than the price of an acura.
@@soulfulmaplethis is no longer true. If you look at any quality data the last ten years, Acura is behind the Germans
@@soulfulmaple good point
Even compared to older Honda offerings they don't make sense. For $58,000 I could import an AP1 S2000, DC5 Type R , CL7 Euro R and still have over 10 grand for mods, repairs and gas. The new cars don't even have real VTEC.
watching thomas kill those laps is always so cool. Your videos never miss, do they? Keep up the good work.
This quality....
I hope you guys get and stay rich off this content.
I'll 2nd that!
I'll 3rd that!
I'll 4th that!
I'll... oh, never mind
They're already millionaires just from TH-cam so I think they're good! 😅
It's great to see that yet another manual transmission sports car comes to the road.
You’re driving an automatic and will not buy this car, why is it great? 😂 “hey guys am I cool if I say this?”
@@dedserious LOL his next car's going to be an electric SUV but he's here thanking the stars for another manual
@@modestmousecoloredperson “my car is a video game?” I’m glad you typed it, please read it again and explain me which part makes sense..
@@rickroma lol, that would be a smart choice.. and get the Type R/integra for the weekends. I’m not hating on electric SUV’s I mean who doesn’t want a Rivian?
what do you mean another one? its the same car 😀
Pricing and availability have really killed the lust for this and the Type R. It's a real shame because I've always been a Honda fan at heart. But I'm happy with my Elantra N and it's nice hear Thomas agrees too
1000% The elantra N is so direct and communicative that it feels like it is connected to your brain!
Well said. Fanboys are doing to them what happened to the MK4 Supra and Honda have priced it accordingly
Same path for me. Always been a Honda guy, but I'm really impressed with my current Elantra N. I've done 30k (km) in the last 5 month of my EN and it's aging well... Sucks that Honda is limiting production of Type-S. A lot of companies are purposefully disrupting production to increase inflation which isn't cool, cause most people I know are suffering from inflated cost of everything.
I really wish the EN had a better looking design. It’s such a good value, and does look badass, but it’s just not a beautiful and cohesive looking machine, which holds me back from getting one.
@SIIKAP1 you gotta see an Elantra N in person and drive it. Pictures don't do that car justice at all.
Am I the only one who really enjoys and appreciates the track part of the video dedicated to hearing the raw audio of the experience❤🔥🔥🔥 12:11
Can we all just appreciate how consistent Thomas is, as a racing driver, to pull that time off?
I bet if Thomas drove for Williams F1 instead of Latifi, Lewis would be an 8x DWC.
The test car these guys got for the Type S has the same issue as the A-spec they received for their first integra review. The black exterior color. It just hides all the design characteristics.
But if you like the murdered out look, the flake in the black looks pretty good. But black paint will never really look great on a car with this much gloss black plastic that has the purpose of defining the edges in the design.
The white and apex blue look fantastic, and with the copper wheels....my gawd
Also the orange peel in the Integra logo shots 😂
As someone who loves black car, I kinda agree :(
Elegant new series before Glamor suspention.
It’s a great car (as is its Civic Type R stablemate ) but sadly, even excluding the dealer mark ups it’s too expensive for ordinary consumers. Enthusiast vehicles are now only affordable to the well off, and not the every day consumer that they were originally targeted for.
find a dealer without markups. when I was looking to buy a FK8 Type R 2 years ago I found lots of dealers wanting ADM but ended up finding a dealer who would sell at retail plus $1000 in dealer add-ons. I also was looking for a new Cayman GTS 4.0 last year and a dealer offered me one at MSRP but I ultimately purchased a 981 GT4 instead of waiting a year for the allocation to come in once ordered.
@@_Suzuka_Joe still think they're out of range for most folks. I found one for MSRP, but I was more lucky that things happened to work financially for me.
It’s MSRP is about $4500 over the average median price for a new car in 2023. And that gets you a sub 3300lbs 4 door with a manual that can pull 1.02 G’s on the skid pad that has good resale value and legendary reliability and it’s not too slow either…the only other car that fits that criteria is the Type R.
The Elantra N is about 90-95% as capable as the Honda twins for about $14-15K less… depending on options and add ons of course.
Yep a loaf of bread isn’t 10 cent’s anymore!!!
price has already gone down, a dealer near me was offering msrp (52k) as out the door price with nothing else added but Im hesitant to buy a manual car in high traffic area
@@_Suzuka_Joefinding any dealer selling at MSRP is like winning the lottery these days
The competitor discussion at the end was the highlight for me. I think, options in the $30K-ish range are more relevant to most of us.
30k for a performance car is un heard of
@@dylanthomas6215 Elantra N, Kona N, Mustang, and Camaro are a start.
@@ducnut the EN is the only one there that is a performance car in the 30s. The mustangs and Camaros worth buying are mid 40s+. And the Kona N, lol.
@@ducnut and none of them at
That price compete with the type s in performance or luxury feel. You get what you pay for. I think it is a little over priced but you have to spend mid 40s on a car to compete with the type s.
@@dylanthomas6215nothing Luxury about it lmao that performance is ass to.
I'm sure they're great cars, but the pricing on both the Type R and the Type S is just insane. The $15k price jump from the Si to the R is crazy enough, but then Acura felt like they had to price above that for the Integra and it ended up in M240i/S4 territory which is just way out of its league. And if you start looking at used cars it gets even worse for the Type S. It may be fantastic, but I don't see myself ever owning one.
It’s 15k better than si and s for sure. Can’t argue with the bmw argument. This will probably last longer and have cheaper maintenance overall than 2 series or Audi. but if you can get it for the correct msrp pricing it’s seems worth it.
@@tumsfestival8027not at all honestly 35-40k at most.
Guess u just don’t have money for it then
@@tumsfestival8027 If you're paying almost 60k for an integra I doubt maintenance costs are something you would worry about
Those cars are worth 25k 😂
Loved the back seat view on the hot laps. It would be cool to have a speedometer in the bottom to see how fast your going.
What happened to v6 Acura's
I was able to land a Type S for MSRP. The Type R’s are going for more than what I’m paying because of the insane markups so it was a no brainer. The price isn’t great but there’s extremely limited options for practical sports cars with manual transmissions unfortunately.
bruh you got one for MSRP...buy a lotto ticket cause i have not seen anything where i live that doesnt have at least a 15k markup easily
@@Dai1lest I also placed an order for one... MSRP :D but in Canada lol
@@Dai1lest yikes… yeah it took some work to find a place that was doing MSRP and had one available. They’re out there though so don’t give up.
Birmingham Alabama, dealer doesn't charge for mark up. Try it.
man has car buying changed, I can't believe we get excited to only pay MSRP. MSRP used to be the starting point for talking them down.
Your videos never miss, do they? Keep up the good work
Come man, give James a flower . Another high level review from these guys, this has become the standard we expect, thank you.
Finally a reviewer that actually shut off traction control the right way. You earned my respect now. Great video!
I bet the nerds at savagegeese don't even know this.
@lukemothug I'm sure they know but won't take the extra step. I see videos of people saying " Let's turn of traction control" and hit the traction button which just limits how aggressive traction is but it's still very aggressive. I have the integra and by doing the "pedal dance" it shaves off around .5 secs from the 0-60
@@AnotherRichEXP after you turn it off, do you have to do the pedal dance everytime you start the car, or does setting remain. ANd if it remains, is there another dance to turn it back on? Planning on purchasing this car in a few months.
Killed it again guys. Was waiting for your review of this! Well done.
Im only at the drag race portion so dunno if its mentioned later but the ITS has more than the 5hp on paper over the CTR. Savagegeese already did an in-depth comparison video and dyno’d both cars, the ITS actually makes over 15hp to wheels more than the CTR! So should explain how it pulled on the CTR as it did
I'm not in any way an expert, but I would say 5hp on paper because that is the official number. It would be 15hp in real world testing with independent dyno. Maybe different testers get different results? In my opinion, the real difference is in the mid range torque tuning.
Same engine diferent tune 😂 on all K20C1
@@mikemccormick6128 mid-range torque also helps the exit out of slow corners on the track. Creates more torque steer through.
I think you meant unofficially. On paper, or officially it has 5hp more.
@@mediocreman2 I agree with you. I said officially in response to machine_spirit saying "the ITS has more than 5hp on paper over the CTR". So what he is saying is that on paper the ITS has 15hp more than the CTR. I strongly disagree with that statement. The number that Acura provides is the official number. The number that an independent tester provides is an unofficial number. I'm not an English major so I could be wrong. But to me, the "on paper" number would be the official number.
I'm surprised you got the pedal dance right for traction control off that good. I still forget how to do it in my civic.
Think of it as the same sequence 3x just with different brake positions.
How are you supposed to do it?
@@Vermonstered 😂
@@1anre time and lot of it.
Genuinely amazed at Thomas's track lap time consistency. To the hundredth of a second 😮
Happy birthday again to James! Love the throttle House team!
People complaining about markups haven’t actually looked. Took me 30 minutes to find the dealership I bought mine from. $1,000 under MSRP.
The best thing that could happen today: A brand new TH upload 😍🥰💚
We have top gear... at home
@@fanaticaudienc8089 we also have russia on this planet, but also nothing to brag with 🤷🏻♂️
@@skankhunt420 woooosh
If Acura cars were sold in the UK, i'd buy one in a heart beat.
This channel keeps getting better and bigger.
Coming to Canada later in the year, i really need to meet you guys. Great job
Make the Type R $35K - $37KK again and this $40K - $42K and it starts to make a lot more sense. When I got my FK8 for 35K, I felt like I was driving a deal. But an ITS at $50K (assuming no mark-up), starts feeling like a tough pill to swallow instead.
We'll do exactly that, after you tell the FED to stop printing money
Honestly, for me the biggest value proposition for the Integra is that Honda/Acura are in a different league of reliability and maintenance cost than its performance competitors in the Germans and Hyundai/Subaru. In addition, if you like to work on cars yourself, the design of the engine, the layout of the car, and even the amount of space you have in the engine bay is so inviting. When these cars are 10 years old, out of warranty, parts getting replaced anyway, they are going to be tuner dreams.
Imagine its your birthday and you get to say "our track" CHEERS to both of you :D Great work as always!
I daily an S5 sportback and my biggest complaint is that it is too much car for the road. If you really want to wring it out for more than 5 seconds you end up in lose your license territory. But the looks, the sound, the awesome interior, the noticeable differences between comfort and dynamic modes, plus the overall “specialness” are what keep me driving it. Even if I have to be mindful of how heavy my right foot is.
This is something I used to see alot online too much power isn’t a good thing for the road. I never really understood it, I purchased a tuned MK7 GTI and now even at nearly just the 400hp mark I COMPLETELY get it haha. I count to 3 at WOT and Im doing 90+.
@@shizabox yup. I learned less is more when it comes to power on my NA Miata journey. I started off bone stock, and ended up widebody, built motor, turbo, whole 9 yards, pushing out ~240 WHP. By the end of my mod journey it was an absolute weapon. Made the S5 feel like a base Civic.
But that wasn’t even close to the best version of the car. That car was most fun with just lightweight wheels (Kosei K1) and the cheapest all season tires money could buy, no other mods. More skids at slow speeds = more fun. Fun and horsepower are not at all correlated.
i feel you, i dailey a 22 supra 3.0 and you are doing "going to jail speeds" in just seconds. To really push the car on the road you are going 3-5 times the speed limit. but it is soooo much fun!!
cars are getting faster but our roads are getting worse
This is my dilemma now too. I want to get something sporty, fun and practical for my next daily. Do I go for something like a Civic Si or smth faster like a GTI/WRX/Elantra N. Do I spend a bit more and get R/Type R/GR corolla if I get lucky? Hard to decide if I really need all that speed/sportiness. I've never had anything sporty before. I don't plan to track or modify anything.
I wouldnt consider buying a Type R but that Type S is appealing. The rear is so good looking.
I absolutely love the Integra and I'm so gutted that we don't get this in the UK! A million times better to look at than the Civic, more practical, more comfortable and no downside!
For me, you guys give the best reviews on cars for one to decide on which car to buy/choose, even though I cannot afford to buy the cars you review 😅. Fun and ABSOLUTELY INFORMATIVE, period! More power to both of you and the to the Throttle House team.
Cool car, still doesn't match the price tag for me though. It does fit a nice little niche that I am sure many people will enjoy, and honestly I wouldn't mind having one in my garage if the price were a little lower. Great review guys!
Agree 100% 👍
Agree its too much for what you get 🤷🏼♂️
gree, 40k out the door would be perfect!
This was a heartwarming video Happy birthday Thomas. So many iconic moments I absolutely loved this
This should have been the Integra Type R and included SH-AWD for the price. The Integra Type S should have been this car for $40-$42K and used the 2.0T from the previous Honda Accord Sport with ~250hp/270Tq.
I love your guys’ videos so much. I’ll literally watch a review on a car I’m not really interested in just to see your take on it.
Great review! I'll second James' comment about saving $20K and getting a WRX. Add some coils and a tune for $3K and it will keep up.
Agreed. For $1100 you can get a Cobb Accessport, intake, 91 tune and be making ~310-320 whp.
Rather get a last gen STI. Have you seen Syms STI on the Hot version of Best motoring? It can beat tuned FL5 CTR. Don't think any car can't be modded and go faster.
Honestly, very happy your track is “bumpy” because it can also reflect a curvy backroad. Our W204 C63 sounded great on curves but in reality, it was too stiff and stepped out on bumpy turns
Speaking of the better grip with softer suspension, Keiichi Tsuchiya and a colleague took the FL5 around Tsukuba and ended up getting their fastest laps in Comfort mode. Wish you guys could go back and try more laps in different drive modes on your track.
I watched this same video of dk doing this lap in the fl5 arount tsukuba in comfort mode, and pulling faster times. The r mode setting is just stupid. It's so stiff the car becomes bouncy and it actually makes the car less functional.
I bet in individual mode with the engine in plus r and the dampers on comfort it would have beat the its. They are both great cars though.
@@adim00lah Oh, yeah, it looked way too stiff, especially for that track and those tires. I guess the good thing is, it's available to use when you have a smoother track and sticky tires (probably good with R-comps) just by pushing a button without having to swap out suspension components. I'm pretty sure I'd use +R for Solo II autocrossing, too.
Agreed. On a glass smooth track, the FL5 would shine. It’s more dialed in. However in the real world, the DE5 is just faster all around and it better be for the price difference. There’s no way heated seats and a few extra speakers make it cost 7 grand more, especially with those tacked on rear fenders which can be removed if you pull hard enough
@@bim1376 But an extra 8k for 5 hp tho?
@@adim00lah I’m saying. I don’t agree with the pricing structure. That and the Type R will always hold the crown for resale and desirability. It’s sought after across the world while the Type S is built in Ohio and only sold in North America. From a future investment perspective alone I’d take the Type R
That camera angle while doing the track time is so much better to look at. Keep it like this in upcoming videos.👌
We always try for that angle but sometimes it’s impossible to mount a camera in the perfect spot!
The bass boat flake in that black paint is crazy. Not to mention the wrap on the CTR.
Pugginess. James level of sophisticated word craftsmanship is unncany, unique , world class and 2nd to none.
I would be interested in seeing how much of a difference the traction control actually makes on the lap times of the cars at your track. Maybe a "control" lap with it on would be informative?
Canadian price makes sense, in the US it's the same as the M240ix (which is insane). Personally, I'll forego the 6MT (although I love mine in my RSX-S) for 100hp, AWD, a moonroof, and oddly enough much better mpg. At $52K USD Acura got too greedy. Fan bois will buy it though as it's super low volume for a reason.
52k is MSRp. They are selling these with markup
yeah that price point is insane. If the BMW didn't have such bad steering feel it'd be a very easy decision
yup the Type S in Canada is $43k USD.
The Integra Type S and Civic Type R will cost double than the M240ix when they get at least 5 years older.
@@Av3ntur0zky that's because the majority of new BMW's on the road are leases, and the few owners tend to get rid of their car once the warranty expires.
That was great. You guys are awesome as always. 👌😎
I just really enjoy your videos. Even if it is a car I am not that interested in, you guys make it so fun! Keep up the great work!
James is hysterical !! During that drag race that comment @ 6:00 is spot on James. Thanks for another great show.
For the drag race, that +5hp is peak hp, which doesn't tell a whole lot of what's going on in the rest of the rev range. My guess is the integra has a meatier powerband the whole way through.
savagegeese put both cars on a dyno back-to-back and the integra put down 15 more horsepower than the civic.
Also the Type r has that huge wing which will add a huge amount of drag in high speeds
Slightly bigger turbo
I think he also lost some time because of the rear wing....
@@sfasto1 It's probably negligible for this drag race...they aren't exactly going at F1 car speeds.
watching thomas kill those laps is always so cool
Honda might not be using the angry little NA motors any more but it's good to see them still making multiple fun little fwd cars I'm interested to see what the Honda community looks like in 10 years when more people can get their hands on these as well as the base integra and civic si
I’m getting this car holy I love this, I got a Honda civic 2014 right now but it’s no where close to this saving up for this maybe I’ll see this car in 10 months
Im going to try pulling off exactly that in 4 months
I'm learning auto body paint (quite late in life) and watching these videos of high end cars and seeing some of those not-so-pristine paint jobs [orange peel, sags, etc] makes me feel better about my work. 😂
I think Acura hit the nail on the head. They made a luxury Civic R for those who spend more time on the street in practical situations.
but 60k (BEFORE DEALER MARKUP) for a FWD with 320hp? hard no.
@@s_t_r_a_y_e_d I ain't buying it, lol.
Guys, remember to give us all the detailed information that we car-nuts like, don’t go top-gear on us and just focus on the entertainment. I want to know:
1. How is the brake feel, is the pedal firm also after repeated hard braking? Are the brakes progressive?
2. How is the turn-in, is it as good as the FK8, is it worse than the FL5?
3. How does the gearbox feel?
4. Is the engine really more responsive compared to FK8 or is it still laggy as hell?
5. How is the sound, is it better now and not just louder? Does it still send fake noise through the speakers?
6. How is the steering feel?
OMG thank you so much ive been waiting soo eagerly for your guy's review i love your opinions! and videos of course!
Of all of the videos that I have seen of this thing, it seems like such a quiet car for what it is.
Thats not a bad thing, if you can still hear all the good noises. Engine, exhaust, etc.
Who wants to hear tire noise? Yours or the semi next to you.
What i love about this match up is how close they were back in the day. Ut the integra would almost always just barely win *not getting into all the nitty-gritty on every model from the 90s its just a general reminisce*
The Type R in the low 40s is a good value. Above that, be it from ADM or this ITS, you have to be a Honda / manual fanatic to get your money's worth.
Splitting hairs either way, but I bet the Type R spoiler costs a lot more aerodynamically (in a straight line) than the 1% weight reduction. Even as much as 10% isn't that unlikely once you account for losses in lift and increases in drag (lift reducing rolling resistance, as long as traction isn't exceeded).
The type s is something that i can see myself owning. Ive always been a fan of any car "in a suit." I like to have fun with something understated.
My first car was a supra in a suit (sc300), my second car was a Camarao in a suit (Ats) and the type s would continue the trend. My favorite part about these cars is that you can alot of the parts from its cheaper sibling, when things go wrong.
The amount of times the "Integra" on the rear bumper was used with a pan shot, was more than 20 times. The same shot. We know because of the piece of leaf that was on it. Lazy edit =) LOVE the channel, videos, knowledge and commentary! Long time fan and will continue!
I live in Pennsylvania. The Piazza dealership legit shamelessly pointed out that the mark up is 15k. Then he said they dropped it by 5k and now it's "only" about 67k. These mark ups should be illegal
Funny thing:
I like the Teggy in black, whilst I like the type R in white. Of the two, I like teggy better.
It doesn’t matter if you win by a inch or a mile , winning is winning “ vin diesel “ 😂😂 I think I heard that a thousand times growing up.
The difference in just 5 more horse power is way more noticeable than I thought
Back to back dyno testing showed there's also about 30 lb-ft of torque more in the low end vs the CTR
Wouldnt the additional 5 hp be cancelled out by it being heavier?
Theres more to it than just packing 5 ponies more lol
@@M4B21S88It's closer to 15hp at the wheels iirc. But the Stock CTR is something like 10.1lbs per/hp. The ITS is getting around 15 wheel hp for 31lbs of weight and (possibly) slightly less aggressive aero. That's just under 2lbs per/hp and is reflected in it's a good car length difference between the two if not more for the quarter.
If I was looking to get a CTR, I would definitely look at the Integra and vice versa. The ultimate factor would be the OTD price from dealers.
Mines arriving in October!!!! So excited
i love the type s but the price tag for it is absolutely insane.
Yep. $60k fora 13.7 second 1/4. I realize things have changed, but back in September 2020 rolled out in an 11.3 mustang GT PP with 6,000kms on it for $44,000 clearout before things got stupid.
@@hissingoose A Mustang and Integra are different beasts. A lot of people live in colder climates so RWD isn't exactly safe. I used to live in a warm climate and owned a Mustang and it was definitely a fun tail-happy car, though 2 doors, minimal space and questionable long term reliability.
You should test drive one though. They aren't exactly slow, especially with the expansive mod market to upgrade. Still I heard the phrase "it's more fun to drive a slower car fast, than it is to drive a faster car slow", because of speed limits and risking license suspension, instead of rowing out the gears and using the full throttle and being clamped under like 50% of your power output. It is true pricing is high but everything is nowadays.
Shout-out to whomever wrapped their Type R in SVT Cobra Mystichrome lol
Also, it reminds me of Nissan's Midnight Purple II. Not quite there, but it sorta looks like it.
Thanks! We love the colour :)
THat wrap color was so cool in 2001
I would love to see a video where you take a reasonable amount of money (idk, $40k, $50k, whatever) and get a brand new car (including dealer markup), a gently used car (maybe 3-5 years old), and a decently used car (maybe 7-10 years old) all for the same price and compare.
Probably not the most thrilling of videos but honestly would be the most relatable since this is the dilemma most enthusiast car owners face today. Plus dealer markups are insane so I’d be interested to see what you could actually get away with vs MSRP
Kinda already gave an idea in the Z video. That's nearly the first owner, second owner, third owner dilemma. And really wouldn't be all that fun if a video unless they just needed content. Easiest one would be the last 3 generations of the BMW 330i which their general standard price to performance car.
@@Vermonstered I was thinking wider scope than just three model generations of the same car; for example compare a new Elantra N to a 2018 RS5 to a 2013 M5 or something like that; basically seeing if there is a sweet spot in the new car vs fast old car debate. How far does $40k get you, if you really think about it.
Kind of like a top gear cheap car challenge except the cars aren’t that cheap lmao
@@alexherman77 Old cars will always win that if we're talking price point battle. $52k Integra Type-S new, 2018 M2 or M3 competition and say something like an early 2010's Audi R8 quattro. All around $50-60k. Pretty easy to see who gets destroyed. The benefit of new cars is they should be able to run without breaking down and why these German cars (besides Porsche) all depreciate so much.
I love your guy's channel so much!!! I appreciate all the knowledge I wouldn't get elsewhere on vehicles I would never see on my own and love the skits and how your little points of humor make up for the blandness of a car review! You guys are like a better version of Top gear (from back in the day)! I went from a mechanic that didn't care about cars to saving up money to try and treat myself to something nice so THANK YOU! The only thing that would make this channel better is some type of pretty woman integrated into the channel but honestly no need.
That's "fold my arms like a bigger boy" James one the polar bear missed Bless him
I love Honda so much but its too pricey. Im actually inclined to get the WRX at this point and just colour match the body panels for less than a grand. I saw some builds and they look like a modern STi when you get a wing with it. My only concern is the engine... I also am considering the Mazda 3 Turbo which looks absolutely stunning, and there aren't many builds out there yet so I can probably get away with a unique car for myself here in northern Canada hehe.
This is a really good looking car ❤
Acura missed the mark with the new Integra. If I'm paying $58,000 for a car is going to be a BMW, not an Acura.
$51,364. No pumped in exhaust or auto stop start.
amazing how much better the Type S looks than the A-Spec/base model, just with the bigger front end
About time guys!! I have been waiting for this one since the new release of the Integra.
The historical Integra was always a slightly nicer Civic that was similar in speed, so I'm not surprised that the CTR and ITS are so similar in performance. I don't think I would buy it if I had the means, but Honda (Acura) did a good job with this car. Also, I do have to say, this thing looks really good in black.
I feel like the obvious upgrade for not a big price difference is the CT4-V Blackwing. The dealer markups seem to have cooled on those, and the minimally optioned ones are just massive upgrades for about $10k more (much less difference when you compare street prices). RWD, also a great manual gearbox, massive power boost, finer interior (still no Audi S5, but darn good), by all accounts an extraordinary car to drive, one of the best suspensions in the business, etc.
Agreed, I have a 22’ Great Car, as mentioned the interior can use better materials. However the driving dynamics are unparalleled
@@bunzaroo Went and built a ct4-V Blackwing and with minimal options and a manual it is 62k, current markups on Type Rs put it at around the same price, it really is a no brainer too bad 62k is just too much money for a lot of people including myself...
Finally got to the finish and I Love how the N is finally without a doubt... The Car 🎉
Both great but the N is better than type R and S.
@@CTF33No it isn’t.
@MikeJones-on9vm Maybe you missed the part at the end when Thomas said he'd take an Elantra N over both the type R and S.
@@CTF33the Elantra N posted a slower track time than both the Type S and Type R
@@TheBreakfastLover $1K for some stickier tires and two camber bolts, you can easily make the EN quicker and save $16K
I thought the music at 0:20 was turbo flutter for a second and got really excited. Another great review of a car that's already marked up to an extent usually reserved for Ferraris and Porsches!
Great video!! Both are amazing cars.
I would have the Type R over the M240 or RS3 all day, but I’m a sucker for a manual and sharp turn in! Swapped my W205 C63 for a Type R 😬
The RS3 is another league. But I love the manual!
@@commonsense8342 I disagree and so do most journalists 😜
@@jamsxr Car and Driver 10 best RS3. Please don't compare a watered-down Mi car to an actual RS car. Compare apples to apples. (M to RS) (Mi to S)
@@commonsense8342 not sure what you mean, car and driver rate the Type R above the RS3. Take a look at the CAR Magazine video on TH-cam. Anyway, if you rate all weather grip and power over a manual with sharper turn in and better feel, than the RS3 makes sense. I’ll compare the 2 as I considered both, but the Type R won as more of a drivers car, arguably not as good of an all-rounder though.
@jamsxr i love type R but lets be real, the rs3 is a different leagues above the type R.
I prefer the Civic type r than the integra and you ?
It would be hard for me. I think the Integra looks wayyyyy better. I really hate the styling of the 11th gen Civics, especially the Type R with that wing that looks like it doesn't belong. It looks like a 16 year old got handed down their mom's Accord and put a spoiler on it to try to make it look cool.
But, there are several problems with the Integra too. I don't like the exhaust on the Integra, never liked pops and bangs. I don't like you can't easily turn off traction control. And I don't like that it seems the seats are a big step down from the Civic.
So if I had to choose, I think I'd rather just get a used 10th gen Type R over either of these.
Nope integra all day
I saw one of these in metallic white when I took my MDX Type S in for service. I think the car is great looking. Would love to drive one but they are pretty rare at this point so might have to wait till the dealership gets another one. BTW, where was the GT 350 time in your list of lap times? Did I miss it?
i have a reservation for a '24 TLX Type S and i actually went up and drove their '23 ITS demo car and man its a blast to drive, im really thinking about switching now lol
That wrap on the Type R is amazing
I own a 2023 CTR that I purchased at no additional dealer markup the car is phenomenal and very fast for a mere 3100 lb curb weight
It seems expensive, but tell me what other 300+ hp luxury performance sedan you can get with a stick for the same price. It's kind of in its own category just for people who appreciate what they're trying to do here, and I love it for that.
I hate it, but you’re right. I can’t ever see myself paying that kind of money for an integra, but also I really want one
really id rather have Lexus IS500 performance for $3k more
Well besides your 300hp+ stipulation you get the 280hp WRX and Elantra N for around $30k..throw a tune on and well. Of course the Acura is nicer inside than those but still.
You are right that we are truly screwed in our selection of manual sedans not named Blackwing
@@EP50009 if only is500 offered a stick for those wanting a truly old school feel.
see THAT is the problem...you have to tell yourself that to justify the price tag....YOU SHOULD NOT HAVE TO! If cars were priced normally this would be around 35-50k canadian all day....not 60-80k canadian....the elantra n isnt a option for any normal person.....because its a hyundai it will need a engine in 5-10,000kms as per the norm....thus making it massivly unreliable
you should do integra type s vs tlx type s.
TLX Type S has no chance against the Integra Type S, it weighs about 1000 pounds heavier.
Imagine the Type R seats in this car but leather and Alcantara 🤤🤤
I ended up getting this car but that is basically what i was hoping. The integra is this weird performance car that does it all but type r seats in black would have been chefs kiss
@@justforyoublue i bet in about a year or two someones gonna make a retrofit vid lml it would be a cool project to do.
im doing this as soon as i get the its, and find a pair of itr seats! FIRST THING, then a pheonix yellow wrap also!
The production quality just keeps getting better and better. Great episode as always
Lmao that brake an traction combo to get the VSA off is hilarious o could not stop laughing 😂