gen z get some DECORUM
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 31 ก.ค. 2024
- gen z has a serious issue
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This generation is so weird because so many of us want to seem “different” yet I have never seen more cult mentality in a generation before
Everyone wants to be right all the time and not normal.
Yeah, this generation is just people trying to be special while also being disrespectful and follower mentality.
This!
underrated comment
literally bullying anyone who says something different with no proof
I don’t understand how you can pay hundreds of dollars to go to a concert and then disrespect the artist like wtf I’m so embarrassed for seeing these fellow Gen Z do this shit
its called "i went to take instagram pictures to prove im better than other people"
I know and it’s so unfair for the people who actually want to go to the concert but can’t because it’s sold out or they can’t afford it
no fr who tf has the money for that
Privilege
I literally was at the Kid Cudi show, FLEW OUT FROM ENGLAND TO SEE HIM, and he fucking walked off stage. I was so mf close to beating some asses. Thats over £700 down the drain.
I've seen Phoebe Bridgers twice, and I've been appalled at how her fans treated her both times. Shouting s3xual comments, calling her mommy, and constantly yelling tik tok humor at every turn, even after her most devastating songs. The second time I saw her she opened up about getting an abortion, and instead of listening to her and being respectful, everyone was just wildly screaming at her while she looked uncomfortable, unable to get a word in over the noise. I've loved her music for years but her fans are unbearably juvenile and annoying.
This is really just normal unfortunately, this has been the way concerts are for longer than I've been alive and I'm 26.
Yeah that’s not new, we just have the internet now and it makes kids bold
People have been dehumanizing “celebrities” for eons
@@CrystalRose1111 I think a lot of things that have been relatively common for a long time now have become highlighted through social media and people start to realize that it's actually kind of shitty.
WOW THIS SOUNDS HORRIBLE
same thing happened at the mitski concert I want to and there were so many underage fans to the point where it delayed the show because at the entrance they had to check everyone's permits, so I know for sure the average age of the concertgoers
gen z: we need to cancel and hold celebrities accountable for everything they do wrong
Also gen z: Lets be disrespectful and throw bottles and play subway surfers. At concerts of artists or openers we don't like.
It's the inherent paradox of Gen Z
YES! They will cancel and call out every celebrity for anything then hype up their besties when they act equally or even more problematic! They act like they completely unable to be self-critical and reflect on their own actions while being hyperaware of everyone else's actions.
Literally
The hypocrisy generation.
They're bullies hiding behind "justice".
"WHO RAISED YALL!?" Their ipads did. They learned from social media that the behavior that gets you laughs and attention is being rude and toxic, and now they're bringing that energy irl.
LMAO THEIR IPAds
Bruh I’m gen z but I didn’t grow up with an iPad, they’re just a bunch of self-entitled pricks.
Oh god, I just realized that the iPad kids are old enough to go concerts now-
@@parkchimmin7913 yea 😭
im a huge mitski fan, and seeing how people acted when she opened made me really upset. it’s fine if you found mitski through her more mainstream songs and wanted to see her in hopes she’d preform them, but at the end of the day that choice is up to her, and if she performs a song you haven’t heard in a way you weren’t expecting so be it. so many of her fans would’ve loved to see her live but couldn’t, and to see disrespectful people in the place of them is really disappointing.
She did performed Nobody and it was the only song people acted with some level of respect for. Honestly it was so bad.
Saw Mitski back in ‘17 before I even listened to her. The woman can hold a crowd’s attention with just herself and an acoustic guitar. Those clips from her most recent tour really demonstrate how the pandemic ruined Gen Z’s development during their most fundamental years.
I went to see her too & it was so sad. during this emotional moment in between songs someone screamed “mommy” at her. I was furious.
shes so talented
@@dia.96 that's just sad. she has so much stuff in her back catalogue that is just amazing, and frankly it's what i would go to a Mitski concert to see. i'm glad i don't go to concerts anymore
I’m a high school teacher (mainly ninth grade with 14-15 year olds). The last year has been so chaotic. These kids HAVE been “depraved of decency” and you’re absolutely right that COVID has messed with their heads. So many times last year I wanted to cry because so many of them do not care and will act “feral” because they think making others upset makes them cool or trendy like their fav problematic eboys. They have no concept of repercussions because when they were on zoom school for a year they had instant access to whatever their lil brains wanted and many parents will just concede and let them use their phones or give them whatever to stop them from directing that energy at them. NOT ALL parents do this and NOT ALL my students were like this, but enough were that it made my life hellish.
Thank you for this thoughtful video!
Wow that's so tough
As a ninth grader, I do not claim those kids and am sorry you have to deal with them.
I really think that it's social media consumption and mob mentality that is destroying us
@@ayadhyist I love my job and I love my students but I wish more had the self awareness to at least acknowledge that they’re acting wild. I’m sure your teachers love you ❤
@@wowwow2385 social media is a curse and I watch it destroy gen z everyday
I went to a concert a few weeks ago and the teenagers/young adults next to me made me feel like an old man that screams “get off my lawn”. They were so obnoxious. And the sad part is they couldn’t have been more that 4-5 years younger than me. These 16-20 year olds are psychos and honestly scare me lol
yes literally im young too but the way i cant relate at all to 18-25(sometimes) year olds like...the regression is real.
Ya it’s not all of us lol I’m horrified to see this behavior as a 19 yr old. Even if I didn’t like someone I wouldn’t try to disrupt their livelihood and passion during a concert.
He DID warn them he'd get off stage if they threw things. I think these people grew up with weak parents that never followed through on consequences.
Yup
YUPPPPP.
Underrated comment. I see this more and more. Kids are glued to their screens---that their parents foisted on them when they were toddlers---and so are a good majority of these parents. The kid throws a tantrum to get their way because it's the only way they can get parental attention...and half the time that doesn't even work anymore. I work retail and see so many zombified parents dragging their screaming kids everywhere just ignoring them, scrolling their phones, or shoving another LOUD screen in their face to placate them. And conversely, helicopter parenting is an issue too, but what I see a great deal of is parents just letting their kids run around screaming, chasing, rubbing their hands all over everything, messing up work an employee has just completed, drawing on fixtures, without so much as a cautionary scold. Ridiculous. Lazy parenting.
@@DiamondsAndMeForever I live next to parents like this. The kids cry and whine and scream all day every day... and the parents are just zombies to them, no response, like a wall...they just let them freak out constantly. I pity the children as they have no one to properly mirror them or validate their feelings and teach them right from wrong....
@@nickb329 I too am in a similar boat. In my case, my neighbor's kids aren't on screens as much as the kids I encounter working retail, but anytime other than the dead of winter they will literally be outside from roughly 9am to 9pm screaming, blasting the radio or KidzBop, running through yards, the whole nine. Their mom locks herself in the basement to do her "art" a lot of the time now and I just...don't know why she had 3 kids in close succession if she wanted to stay alone all day painting. Before it got to this point, she was outside with them some days, conducting culturally inaccurate drum circles (they've said borderline racist stuff about Indigenous people in the past, so it was weird) and singing songs about the earth, or having a dozen or more cars crowd our small residential street so she could have even more kids over to TEACH her art.
Coincidentally, one of the kids she had over got stuck in a tree and hurt and was screaming for help from his mom and the mom just ignored him for a full five minutes or more, chatting away with another mom about good school districts.
I’m 23 and have been going to shows religiously since I was like 11. I also work as an usher at major venues in the Bay Area, worked at Lizzo, Conan Gray, Phoebe Bridgers etc…the difference in crowds pre vs post pandemic is JARRING. Thousands of tik tok teens damn near ruined the Phoebe Bridgers show because they were running and screaming the minute we let them in. All of them were rude to one another and staff, they swarmed the stage and crushed each other. And they were all like 14-18. I low key just don’t take shows anymore because of it.
Teachers have also been saying that kids have been running feral in their classroom post pandemic like they've become animals and some of their parents do nothing about it
Shit. I almost went to Phoebe’s show at the Greek. Now I’m glad I didn’t :(
How do you get into this kind of work?
I’m going to see Phoebe in a few weeks…I’m so scared of something like this
America moment
Disrespecting Kid Cudi is so abhorrent. He left us for so long and is finally coming back to perform for us and people do this shit?! This man got me through my depressive and lonely college years. Put some respect on his name!
I totally agree! I am a new Kid Cudi fan (found him through entergalactic and now I’m in love) and would LOVE to see him live. This disrespect is awful
I think Cudi's music is garbage but Cudi as a person seems like a pretty upstanding guy. I feel terrible for him that he's had to deal with shit like Drake mocking him for struggling with clinical depression, and the fact that fans were chucking water bottles at him onstage is just fucking appalling.
Gen Z prides themselves on being “empaths” and “mental health conscious” yet act like this in concerts. Not giving af about the artists doing their job. Why you even bought the ticket for? It’s embarrassing at this point. (I’m gen z too, btw)
Because zoomers have a large group of extremafide individuals this what happens when kids have unsupervised access to the internet
I feel like those are two different demographics. An entire generation is not a monolith
They hating but they paid money to hate they wasted their money to hate this blows my mind 😂
That might be a whole millennial so…
I think people haven’t realized that the oldest Gen Z are fully developed adults. The folks in highschool at this point technically are the youngest of that generation, if not a separate generation all together
not to sound like a hippie but i truly feel like tiktok has destroyed any semblance of counterculture that gen z could have POSSIBLY established by this point in the decade. people are seriously weirded out by rico and mitski??? i thought those ladies were mainstream 😂
people wear the aesthetic of a counterculture for 3 weeks then move
onto the next -core
Hating on females in the industry happens all the fucking time, it acc pisses me tf off
Wait mitski isn't mainstream?
Honestly this is an interesting take. Although I'm gen z who touches grass a lot of maybe I'm just a lil older but i still can't come up with anything like green day or MCR or emo or anything distinct for our own generation.
@@jifij89 that should be a quote
Let's be real, when ppl were shouting that "mommy" type of shit at Clairo and Mitski.... it's harassment. It's nasty and inappropriate. I don't think the pandemic had much to do with this behavior. I think people addicted to the internet (who have been here before the pandemic) forget how to speak to real people. At one point, Mitski had to tweet out for fans to please make a connection with her on stage instead of having their phones up the whole set and standing in silence to get a good video. Then her fans started jumping her calling her ableist n shite. She just wanted to form a bond with them but they took her criticism as an attack instead of listening... P sure she ended up deleting the thread. And I think in the situation with Clairo when ppl were shouting that stuff at her it was during a song abt how she feels.. objectified. So.. yeah. Terrible. People please open your ears and use your brains!!
Anyway! The timing of this video is perfect because recently kpop group LOONA have been touring and at their last show one of the members missed the last few songs of the concert because she was upset fans kept screaming over her when she kept trying to talk. There's a video where she begins talking and fans continue cheering for a different member and she looked so upset. I don't understand.... how people could be so incredibly disrespectful to people they paid to see and supposedly support. smh.
Do you have a link to that LOONA video? I love the group and that’s something disappointing to hear 😫
I felt so bad for Kim Lip.. 😭 She had literally begged the crowd to listen - the fact that the ARTIST has to do that says a lot
I saw the videos and Vivi and Yeojin looked so shocked too, but I later heard that Haseul addressed the audience which is good, but she wouldn’t have had to do that if they weren’t so disrespectful. Very messy situation all around
I was at that LOONA concert, but I was in the back. I saw all the stuff on Twitter after the concert how some people in the vip pit sections were being weird and rude to the girls. I saw a video of someone throwing their pride flag at the members from the balcony. Haseul even made an announcement for the crowd to not talk while the members gave their speeches. I had fun, but there were a lot of people filming the entire time which I understand bc for the girlies in the back, we couldn't see shit but why pay all that money to view it from your phone or be rude to people who don't know you and are just trying to do their job?
i think the pandemic contributed to all this, because it definitely caused the level of, um, chronically online-ness to increase. i agree with the take that this generation confuses the real world with the online world though, they treat real people like they let themselves treat people online and that's cringy at minimum and disturbing at maximum
I was thinking about that exact LOONA accident when I saw this video. Perfect timing ig
mitski used traditional japanese dancing at her shows (butoh), i think its really beautiful how she incorporates her culture into her music!
im a 16 yr old south asian girl and some of the artists mentioned are my favorites but they don't ever tour here...
concert going and live music is such a privilege and what an opportunity to have fun and make lifetime memories. i simply don't understand how you pay hundreds of dollars for a show and then disrespect the artist and cross major boundaries. where is the human decency??
having strict parents feels advantageous rn because this right here is absolutely embarrassing
Nah strict parents only make ninjas a good parent knows when to put the foot down and when to give a bit of freedom and leeway
@Alyssa Iehl yeah, i agree. should've worded it differently because my parents though 'strict', give me freedom when it's appropriate. most importantly, they know when to reprimand me and my sibling and when to give us space to grow and learn ourselves. but strict in the manner that they find a great deal of importance in managing and checking our behaviour in a social atmosphere. cuz yk, what else could rile up an indian parent more.
Strict parents produce rebellious children
same...it is quite embarassing to see fans show disrespect to artists. I am south asian too and haven't been to a concert, so seeing people act like this upsets me too. Also, deez ppl need to put themselves in artist's shoes like they work hard for wot?!! do deez ppl have a life or they need some positivity. i feel parents need to set some ground rules for respect, but not go overboard either.
irl i think personality >>>> anything!
@@wholethedogsout880
Depends on the kind of strictness. My parents were strict and I am not rebellious but can stand my ground without being disrespectful.
It would never cross my mind to do all these things mentioned in the video and throwing stuff at artists is assault and if I were an artist I'd sue them.
THANK YOU FOR THIS! Last night at a LOONA concert, one of the members left during the show, CRYING, because fans wouldn't let her say the speech she's been practicing in English, which is not native to her. They kept SCREAMING for another member who previously spoke. It was heartbreaking. I was just talking about this with my friend today. These gen z kids do not know how to behave in public because they spend every waking hour online. It's so rude and kind of unreal.
the whole kim lip situation makes me so sad
seeing the clip of her saying “guys, please” to the crowd and seeing the hurt in her eyes.. its so sad and this situation sucks ☹️
That’s awful.
I was waiting for this comment! This video is very timely. Personally I love going to concerts but haven’t been since covid started because I feel uncomfy. It’s crazy to see the state of the concert sphere. Makes me even more reluctant to go to shows now.
Honestly I’ve experienced this kind of behavior from gen z at concerts prior to covid. Maybe it’s because they were kpop concerts where stan culture is prevalent, but this isn’t new. I think we’ve all forgotten it was like this. It has nothing to do with the pandemic, but gen z itself
Honestly, part of me wants to say the pandemic has made people forget how to act but...I feel like Gen Z had been like this even before, older and younger. A few years ago Brendon Urie was on Broadway in Kinky Boots, and a bunch of Panic fans showed up to the show and treated it like a concert basically; cheering whenever Brendon came for his scenes, booed a few cast members when they came on, sang along to his numbers, then afterwards mobbed the stage door and we're disrespectful when other cast members came out instead of him. It was 2017 so this would have been older gen Z, because everyone reported it was teens in Panic merch doing this, to the point Brendon didn't even come out the stage door
It should be common sense a BROADWAY PRODUCTION is not a CONCERT, and Broadway tickets ain't cheap so all these bratty rich kids took up seats and ruined it for people who actually wanted to see Kinky Boots
omg i forgot about that
I think sometimes they just don't get, where's the line between "weird and fun" and "outright rude and disrespectful", or they just don't know when to stop. I don't know if it should be considered the "gen z - like" behaviour though, because I've seen some adults(by this I mean 30+ year olds) acting the same way(more rarely than the younger ones though)
know it's definitely the pandemic so many kids spent middle school -early highschool online away from ppl so they don't know how to act in public
@@kaoryakasaka6835 No I agree, I have too, seen adults act the same way as well. I think here though it's because the artists in question have a younger demographic, and it's the younger fans making tiktoks about what they're doing or reacting (like the girl who said she was traumatized in the TikTok still), so maybe not "Gen Z" specifically but "young" like say young teens to late 20s (me) at least where the gen gaps get blurry.
Especially the incident I mentioned because it was five years ago, so someone who say is twenty now would have been 15 -which is why I said older Gen Z and like at that time a lot of gen Z we're still being called "MILLIENALS" for some reason
BTW this is all just to clarify my word choice, and to say I agree. I was speaking too broad, so I'm agreeing with you, sorry if my response comes across as aggressive or something
@@Starburst514 I also agree with what you said)) It sure does get kinda confusing with who is gen z and who is not. I just think that when adults behave the same(while being grown a** adults and not at the age of 15-20) it gets less attention, when in fact it should be getting just as much(if not more) attention.
Btw, your comment is not agressive at all, lol
This is why I stick to rock/metal concerts. Everyone is kind and respectful, and the other gen z folks there are pretty chill and respectful as well thankfully
i've observed something among my generation/young people in general--whenever we're encountered with something different, we tend to disrespect it, make fun of it instead of approaching it with an open mind, treating it with respect, and working to develop an understanding of it. it's so ironic that gen z is such an immensely insecure and conforming generation when we try so hard to picture ourselves as the champions of individual expression and identity exploration/freedom.
Very true. We’re entering an extremely anti-intellectual age, and curiosity is at the heart of intellect
IKR!
like, why does my generation claim to be progressive but then whine and disrespect artists just because they don't like some of their songs? it makes no sense
mitski actually is inspired by a traditional japanese dance and incorporates it into her performances for people to be so ignorant and sexualize it soooo much is so weird bc it’s literally her culture idk like. just a whole bunch of weirdos.
It’s just ppl being racist. We are not surprised.
Traditional culture isn't always asexual, sex has existed since the dawn of man. Our idea of sexuality just looks a bit different now.
@@gummy5862 thats true, but either way she shoukd also allowed to sexualise herself and male artists are allowed to so why isnt she yk?
this really makes me think of my time in school. i’m gen z i’m 20 now and when i was in high school there was a large demographic of people who found it hilarious to cause disruptions. randomly yelling rlly loud, making moaning noises, cursing, even throwing things, all while the teachers talking. so many people from my generation genuinely just think it’s funny to upset people or to be annoying.
This happened in my middle school. I had small classes in high school (separate from big ones they were “college prep” aka for learning disabilities) so I never had seen it much in highschool, except the cafeteria in which yeah…
It was crazy someone mooned the whole cafeteria once. Freaking crazy and gross ugh
Yeah this hasn’t changed
Yep. I’m 20 and I had the same experience at school
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I think this happened in every generation, the only difference is, previous generations didn't get clout online where millions could watch and like their idiocy. Social media rewards stupid teenagers far more than they were ever rewarded before in history. So their nasty behavoir gets out of hand and leaks into more and more areas of life where behaving like a sane adult used to be a social norm that was heavily inforced by adults.
The last point in the video about gen z's identity crisis is th same deal to me. Everyone has this "identity crisis" when going through puberty. Every generation went through this. The only difference is gen z has the ability to broadcast it more than anyone, and there are markets forming around their insecurities that reinforces them and makes it even harder for them to develop as sound adults and form a personality of their own. The internet is completely dominated by gen z tbh, and bc of that, the "i'm all powerful and adults are trash" mentally that all teens always go through is harder for us to escape and for adults to tame the way they use to.
Because of all these mechanism reinforcing and rewarding immaturity, it's very likely that gen z will realize how cringe and annoying they were much later than previous gens.
my cousin invited me to a harry styles concert as she had an extra ticket, and i went along. when i found out Mitski was the opener i was so excited as a major Mitski fan myself. when she was performing it was amazing, yet the people around me kept laughing really loud at her and even going to the extent to make fun of her movement on stage. yet they all had the audacity to sing along to washing machine heart and nobody. it really hurt to see.
Major props for Kid Cudi for not taking the disrespect. His reaction and words were completely justified
I’m gen z myself, but I don’t understand people who act like that. And luckily I only go to small gigs where shit like this doesn’t happen.
But i think a few factors affect such mentality:
1) The parasocial relationship. Social media truly erased boundaries between a celebrity and their fans. I think a lot of fans view artists as their friends, who are “in” on the joke. They see them not as stars, but as their buddies.
2) The Tiktok effect, where a lot of people listen to only one song of an artist and decide to go to concert
3) Attention seeking, wanting to be edgy, cool or whatever.
4) Teen biology. It’s a known fact that teens tend to lack empathy and self-control. That’s not unique to our generation
5) Loosing value of authentic experiences. Everything has to be recorded, streamed, etc. People have hard time enjoying irl stuff. ( and if the perosn isn’t interested in the artist and only came for that one song, we know it only gets worse)
I’m personally hardbroken that this shit now happens to indie musicians, who are very personal in their music.
yes this!!
💯💯💯
No offense, but number 4 is VERY unique to your generation (especially the 00 babies). Yeah, the angsty, apathetic teen isn’t new, but gen z has taken it to a new level! It’s so freaking widespread in your generation. Boredom is an aesthetic for gen-z. Too much Billie Eilish, I guess.
the cool thing is, is that as a millennial i see that gen z is incredibly self aware and introspective and thats so important. yeah some of the younger kids are scaring me rn lmao, but the slightly older gen z seems to have their shit straight and i think will do a great job in the future
@@sapphirelane1714 no its not. Im sorry but its not. This has been a thing since humans experience a growth spurt with an excess of hormones flooding their systems, aka teen years
mitski had to leave twitter because her “fans” kept attacking her and accusing her of being a bigot simply because she didn’t want people recording at her shows.
I don't know who Mitski is, but that was so disrespectful and ridiculous for people to treat her like that because she wanted people to watch the show live instead of recording. There's nothing wrong with wanting to record to save the moment for later, but that's just ridiculous.
I wonder what idiots like that would say about someone like Jack White, who literally doesn't allow any phones into the concert location, like security checking your bags to see if you have a phone and putting it into a little pouch you can't open without the security levels of not allowing. It's not insane to want to not have you doing some weird ass shit during performances recorded and put on tiktok for a bunch of 13 year olds to bully you
But lots of artists ban phones and I don't blame them.
How is that in any way bigoted when having a cellphone in itself is a privilege
@@Riaah_love people would be like 'i have short memory so ur ableist' it was so very strange
i went to a my chemical romance concert a couple weeks ago with my dad and every single person around us was literally INSUFFERABLE. badflower and thursday were the openers for mcr and coincidentally my dad loves thursday and i love badflower so we were super excited about them but there were like a million bunny hat alt dream stan kids who were chanting mcr while they were playing it was horrible
How can someone be upset over listening Thursday? Thursday, the legendary hardcore band... They have problems
I’m so glad that when I went to see Mitski in Toronto, the crowd was super respectful. Everyone was screaming for her to come back out for an encore, and when she came back out and sang two slow dancers, the whole place went SILENT for her. You could hear a pin drop, it was magical. There was a good amount of younger teens there too, so I have to give them credit there I guess
No cause you're so right. They need to start requiring anyone under 18 to be accompanied by a parent cause it's getting ridiculous. I'm 100% positive that if their parents were at the back of the venue watching them, the attitudes and the behavior would do a complete 180...
Like...the concert isn't the comments section, babes. We see you actin a fool.
@@kora861 dude yeah theyve grown up commenting whatever they want anonymously and think there wont be any consequences bc of this. so annoying
Nice of you to think that but it's the parents that nurtured this behaviour. The parents have no idea how to discipline so the kids either talk back and ignore them, or the parents literally enable it and make excuses for them. Had parents argue with me that kids don't deserve a detention despite clear and flagrant rule breaking and disrespect. Parents made my colleague cry berating her simply for sending a student out of the classroom. They're the real problem here, sadly I think we may be too late.
@@IshtarNike thank you! Was going to comment this. They are more disrespectful to their parents. I see it all the time.
@@IshtarNike while I agree to some extent, I think a lot of this behavior has to do with this generation being locked up and being watched 24/7. Pre-Covid I’ve never had a bad concert experience, and I think that has to do with the fact that before there was a balance of alone/ internet time and being around authority (whether that be school or parental figures). For about 4 years, a group of kids haven’t had any real time to themselves, so now that they’re free from their parents they’re acting out. Then growing up on the internet doesn’t make it much better
I started crying when they through that shit at Kid Cudi. He's literally my inspiration and seeing him treated like that for no reason was the most heartbreaking thing ever. If kids can't learn to sit, humble and vibe then, fuck it, start making concerts 18+ or get banned. I am literally disgusted by how concert culture is being ruined by children
and I'm going to say this as my biggest opinion yet; gen z eventually always ruins everything for everyone. Periodt. Change my mind.
I mean most of them were Kanye West fans who were pressed cuz Kid Cudi took his slot in the lineup after he dropped out(no pun intended) but also him being friends with Pete Davidson which led to that.That situation is not necessarily a gen Z problem but just Ye fans having a grudge against him.
@@niccole3542 Like artist, like fan. Why am I not surprised.
@@aaliyahfoster2705 I am a kanye fan and I can confirm I wouldn't have done that to kid cudi. Stop typecasting every fan just because of a few people. Even in that concert there were people who wanted cudi to comeback.
@fresh sushi is in demon high ♡︎
I disagree only because:
-teens don't have many places to hang out anymore in groups without getting questioned by cops
-Age limits could be used by repressive religious groups to damage the reputation of concerts
These same kids are acting like gremlins in classrooms too. I blame the parents as much as these terrible new young people at this point. Great take. Thank you!
i think it’s important for people to remember that when someone is being sexual, they’re not necessarily inviting *you* to sexualize them. doesn’t matter if they’re a celebrity!
Fr a simple “AYEEEE GET IT” would suffice rather than screaming out “mommy”
Im simply curious, but if they’re being sexual aren’t they indirectly sexualizing themselves? Idk just my though
my ult kpop group LOONA just experienced this last night in chicago. people were cheering for another member while a member was trying to speak. they kept doing it, so she walked off of stage crying. i can imagine how mf overwhelming it would be and they've been cheering so mf loud ever since the tour started. it's parasocial behavior for sure. i was excited to see my fav members at the concert too, and it was surreal that they were all so close in front of me, but damn im not gonna be screaming like a rabid dog to try to get them to notice me. it's giving very "y/n" like ppl really forget that these people are people before they're our idols, and they don't owe us anything. I would get down and start fist fighting ppl too if they were disrespecting me like what
Something similar happened at different kpop show I attended in Chicago recently and it was really upsetting just hearing it, I can't imagine how it felt for the actual member getting ignored :( Poor girl, performing overseas is already hard enough without getting treated like that by your own fans
Omg I didn't hear about that, that's so messed up
I thought of this too when I saw the title. I was so heartbroken for her and the whole group. I hope those people in the crowd who yelled over her have never felt more embarrassed of themselves after being called out.
@@reneemeow5375 it was txt?
are u kidding me
My favorite artist (Jack White) has a strict no-phone policy at his concerts, like they literally lock your phone in a special pouch and only staff can open it for you. The tour photographer takes a shitton of (gorgeous) pics and they're put online in HD a mere ten minutes after the show so you can still have memories of it.
It's so incredible to be in an audience that isn't concerned with filming or being filmed and crowds are usually super respectful and involved. Granted, his audience is NOT mostly Gen Z but if that shit keeps happening I wouldn't be surprised to see more artists implementing that kind of policy and honestly I wouldn't be mad about it
I was about to say this! I saw him live this past May and it was awesome to be just so in the moment enjoying the music, only the lights from the stage illuminating everything. People got their lighters out, beautiful; and as you say, the official photos and videos of his shows are amazing and high quality and as I see them I get excited all over again, like I was there!!. I love going to concerts and my rule of thumb is to just take a couple of pictures, maybe a short video of one song and that's it, I put my phone out and enjoy the rest of the show, I'm not gonna watch my favourite songs through my phone lens.
That sounds like it would suck does his tour photographer take videos because if not that’s not worth it
Bruh I saw Jack white and Joji at the same venue and I’m Ngl, the contrast between audiences respect is astounding.
@@juicyjames2074 fr!!! like i saw someone holding up a lighter in a sea of flashlights during joji and it was so like crazy and beautiful
@@lilSaphyStylinson or just try living in the moment you lil gremlin ☠️
You are so right about people just not knowing how to act in public anymore! I’ve noticed this to be an issue with theme parks as well, ZERO decorum! people want clout so badly they film themselves saying/doing inappropriate things& post it on TikTok. Like they’ll go to Disneyworld or universal studios&do stuff like: hit on the Grinch&call him “daddy”, grope Gaston, try to make characters say/do non-canon/controversial stuff, drink the water on It’s a Small World, climb over fences, ignore the dress code to see if they’ll be kicked out, etc. It’s ridiculous
Two months ago, I went to see Thundercat live. To be clear, Thundercat's live band is phenomenal. Both the keyboardist and the drummer are INCREDIBLY good at playing their instruments. Thundercat himself is tasked not only with playing his bass AND singing, but with entertaining the audience, making conversation, dancing or jumping around, keeping up his energy level, etc. The concert was in a very small venue. I was standing in the very first row, all too happy to see the person whose music has helped me get through some very tough times, as well as helping me connect with others, broaden my perspective on life ... My date and I were excited for this show for months and didn't even mind cancelling plans when the show was postponed a few months. But, when Thundercat came on stage and we finally saw his fantastic shiny Gucci hair-clip, the girl behind us immediately started 'heckling' him and hurling meaningless comments. She spent the ENTIRE show screaming stupidities, all the while using her phone to film. Thundercat looked exhausted that night, he even told the audience he was mourning the loss of a very close friend, who had died just a few days prior... This girl absolutely didn't give a shit. When he told a story to engage with the audience, she replied "That's actually not that funny!" Other times, she interrupted him, yelled out parts of his TikTok-famous songs while he was soloing, all in the 2nd row. I wish I could have been annoyed by her screaming right next to my ear, but what really annoyed me was the disrespect. As soon as we left the venue, my date and I couldn't even reflect on how happy we were to have seen a treasured musician, as we first had to ask each other what the fuck we thought that girl had been trying to achieve. Terrible. Seeing your video and how disrespectful entire CROWDS are, I'm appalled. Your videos are excellent, I wish you all the luck with your own music career, too.
We should be heckling audience members like this fr
Wtf I love thundercat! Especially his anime music
Thundercat puts on an amazing show, I am so sorry this happened to him and to you.
Sigh. This is what happens when the internet raises people.
I hate so much when an artist converses with the audience. Nobody came to hear them talk.
as a huge mitski fan i was SO upset that happened to her dude. people my age are so disrespectful istg.
i feel my generations ability to consume and respect art is so.. bad. just bad. they dont know how to enjoy something seriously.
same. its so insane to see people treat artists like they're not people...
they have to fandomize everything and pretend these people aren’t real it’s so nasty
I literally love mitski so freaking much I worship her like how could these people have no taste 😭
@@marlee1913 FR DAWG I WOULD KILL TO SEE HER LIVE AND THEY DO THIS 😭😭
I saw mitski in concert, and honestly the audience was really respectful. They sung along, danced around, and recorded without flash. A lot of people started cheering when she did her dances in between verses and a lot of people (definitely not me👀) cried when she was preforming. It was a great show and I as a huge mitski fan I can happily say it’s one of the best shows I’ve seen
yes !! had the same experience in vancouver recently for a mitski concert.
As a major concert goer and alternative music fan, I’ve noticed that a lot of less I guess “tiktok trendy” artists (not slagging Mitski cuz I know she is super popular and talented - just don’t have a better way to describe it) tend to have more welcoming/controlled environments. I think it’s cuz diehard fans pay to specifically see them.
A lot of the bad behaviour that I’ve experienced tends to happen at music festivals or concerts/raves with lineups. I think it’s a symptom of people having to sit through acts they might like but not enough to be invested in it or care about how they act. Idk I’m trying to find reason in the madness but overall people in my generation suck and are ruining concerts for many music lovers
I would say the majority of ppl were quite respectful. BUT I will say, I lot of ppl cut, and I also saw someone playing candy crush and covering their ears during the opening act.
I think in general the crowd was great but still.
same- i saw here in boston and was def pleasantly surprised.
Yeah, I saw her recently by Portland and it was such a great experience , everyone was cheering and stuff and it was just so wonderful. I could never imagine being disrespectful at any concert, it would just ruin the mood.
This is a great video! I'm a sound engineer for live shows and I saw the difference immediately post-lockdowns. The tiktok teens don't understand the difference between the internet and the real world anymore. It feels almost dissociative. I'm also a member of gen z (born in 2000, 21 years old) but I've never put much effort into social media, and I have never been into tiktok. I had a partner who was a tiktoker and frankly it was scary see how little critical thinking there is on there. It's one big hive mind of trends and opinions like there has never been. My partner genuinely feared having any other opinion than what was popular on tiktok. Scary shit
Did you break up with them?
Well that poses terrifying prospects for the future
Man I always try my best to be extra supportive of opening acts, I might even cheer them on louder than the headliner themselves. Opening acts are just starting out. They're nervous, they're excited, they're terrified, they're talented, they know the crowd isn't there for them and yet they'll put on one hell of a show if you let them.
Went to see twenty one pilots in 2019 and I'd never heard of the opening band in my life. They were just a bunch of kids, lead singer was 18. Flash forward to today and The Regrettes are playing some major festivals, vocalist is buddies with Olivia Rodrigo, they dropped a new record, their fanbase is going strong.
The kind of music they make isn't my favorite, but they're hella talented and fierce and it's a ruthless industry. I'll never forget the look on their faces when we went all in on their songs. They were so damn grateful and awesome, I think people tend to forget their faves once were opening acts as well. Just empathy is all
I've never been to a concert before but when I see someone open for an artist, I always try to support them especially through listening to their music. they'd like to put on a good show but these disrespectful ass fans won't even let them
I definitely agree with the COVID theory… I think younger people who maybe haven’t been to a lot of concerts yet and haven’t learned etiquette are now more used to engaging with art more through memes and internet posts so they see concerts more like a feral meme-lord meetup/irl Stan Twitter group where they can be wacky and obnoxious for in-joke clout, rather than being a patron in an audience while a real human person shares their art with you.
Very well said.
Nah. People have always been this way unfortunately. At the height of their popularity, Queen often had glass bottles and trash thrown at them. People have always been shitty.
People don’t need to go to concerts to know how to act with respect. It’s just poor parenting and maybe the failure of the education system
@@mojams333 yes of course, it just seems to be getting way more out of hand and common recently, especially with young gen z
right like they’re so used to being able to comment and add in things and talk with communities online that they think they can do it at concerts too ?? like girl it’s not ab you stfu and listen to the artist 💀
as a gen z from kenya, i have never had a chance to go to concert to see artists that i love, seeing people who can actually afford to go to these concerts not even try and enjoy themselves and disrespect the artists just for tiktok really breaks my heart cause i would kill to go to any concert, like give me that opportunity,but i cant. I love your videos Madisyn, you look beautiful
Same. I'm from South Africa
i love clairo so much and got so disappointed at the concert. She was absolutely amazing and people only knew like 3 songs from her claiming that they love her more than anyone because 🥺 they cried at sofia 🥺 i was one of the only ones singing her songs from her new album and people were weirded out because i knew them all by heart... isn't that kinda normal ? You pay to go to her concert might as well learn her new songs omg
geezzz i’m sorry :( I would literally do ANYTHING to go to a clairo concert. did she play white flag?
@@alltoounwell9132 no :(
As a huge mitski fan, its so disheartening when artists dont feel connection to their fans due to mistreatment from the fans. I went to a mitski concert earlier in 2022 and she asked people to not record the entire thing on their phones which is totally understandable. She explained wanted to be able to look into the crowd and connect with all of us who came to see her and it felt super personal for her to mention and talk to the audience this way. It was freezing and raining but one of the best shows of my life.
fr!!! people need to understand artists are people. imagine giving a presentation in front of ur class, and people are constantly talking over you, or worse, booing you. that's nightmare shit. artists deserve boundaries, and when they enforce those or god forbid wanna be treated like humans, they're demonized. needed someone to talk abt this cuz as a gen z if i saw this .... behavior... i would go off on some of these kids at the concert. how DARE u talk over mitski you should be HONORED!!!! 🤨🤨
EXACTLY!!! Why does our generation think we’re sooo “unproblematic” and “woke” and then turn around and treat artists like products and sexualize them to their face like⁉️⁉️⁉️Literally makes me fume bro. Also Stan Mitski she’s a treasure, these people just don’t understand art fr 😔💁♀️
I’m surprised since I thought gen z was the generation to be supportive and to stop bullying wtf is going on?
@@brittanystorey9460 it's all marketing for gen z done by gen x and millennials. My whole family works with kids, gen z, millianial and gen X. Half of the poor AND rich kids are suicidal asf. The other half are the mf-ing bullies lmao
The internet breeds bully or be bullied mentalities
Its been so frustrating to go to concerts post covid and see how unbelievably disrespectful people have been to not just the main performers, but /especially/ the openers. Small venues are fine, but when i go to big stadium shows its always so... this one couple was vaping thc RIGHT IN FRONT of everyone and laughed when asked to stop. These girls behind me were SCREAMING at the artist when they didnt play the song that they wanted to hear. Tbh it can all be summed up by everyone thinking theyre the main characters and thinking they can do whatever they want. Absolutely ridiculous
Edit bcuz i wasnt clear: it was an indoor stadium and im allergic to thc. I agree that outdoor venues are fine to do whatever in but @ indoor venues its just inconsiderate to the people with asthma and allergies. Hopefully that helps a bit lol
They're are certain artists' concerts that I could never DREAM of going to just because of the fans, like it would be borderline unsafe
Do not get me started on the motherfreaking smokers at concerts. It’s disrespectful, but they have the right to smoke anything since they paid for their tickets too… I think if majority of people are not smoking, or waving their hands while you’re smoking, you should stop. My opinion🤷🏾♂️💯
@@JulianSteve yess omg that's another unsafe part, especially for me cuz I have asthma 💀 it's so annoying, like if you're gonna smoke at least do it in a secluded area, have some decency
they need someone to give them a slap of reality in the face
@@JulianSteve i feel like the smoking at concerts is definitely dependent on the situation + being respectful of others should be the top priority
I've had the good fortune to see Mitski and Rico live and I am pleased to report that there wasn't ANYTHING like this in those sets. Fans were cheering, dancing, singing/rapping along, and engaged. I recently saw Masego live, OGI opened for him and she's relatively unknown and new to the scene but she was super well received by the crowd and had a lot of people dancing and buying her merch, I'd never heard of her before the show but I became a big fan after. The energy was great and I honestly had the most fun I've ever had at a concert. It must depend on the venue and city you're in. I'm really glad I've never been to a show like the ones described, I'd be embarrassed for my city
What so crazy is that this generation is so about their own mental health yet care nothing about the mental health of others.
they claim to be mental health actovites yet they cyberbully people into quitting things like content creation or music then they wonder why they have mental breakdowns once it gets to them too much.
I 100% agree. Also I want to go to a concert but where like everyone is just enjoying the experience. Like you don’t have to have your phone out every single moment yk and everything is just chill and fun
I agree with you. I hardly used my phone while I was at Kendrick Lamar’s concert. I made sure to enjoy the moment with whoever was near me at the concert👏🏾‼️
@@JulianSteve no wayy!!! I love Kendrick sm. I totally get like recording your favorite songs though, I definitely would. I’m glad you enjoyed it
The only times I have been able to have a good experience where people were just enjoying the show has been a lot of newer artists in the Alternative scene (idk about rap/hip hop as much unfortunately). But even there so many people were on their phones for the whole show.
I get filming a short snap snippet of a favourite song or even just filming one or two songs cuz they mean something to you. I don’t understand people who document an entire concert and watch it through their phone
@@Kate-fc5ht Fr ! I always get jealous when my mom tells me how concerts were when she was younger. Ofc people had like cam recorders, but it used to be so down to earth and inclusive. I know not everyone’s experience is like that but it’s just something I noticed.
It’s like people go to shows now just to record and post it on social media. It’s more important to people to APPEAR as though they enjoy live music than to actually appreciate an artists performance and go for the experience.
The youngest of Gen Z have only known an internet that’s hyper-targeted to their specific interests. In the case of TikTok, you can immediately scroll away from something you don’t like. Obv it doesn’t work that way in real life and these poorly behaved concert goers don’t seem to get that. They’re also failing to see artists as people which reflects how art has been commodified as easily replaceable “content” online.
Tiktok is doing to zoomers what facebook did to boomers I guess theirs a reason the difference is only the first letter but like for real I’ve seen shitty behaviour in zoomers before but like it was like a really loud but small minority thing but now? The American zoomer crowd is wild and unhinged it went from a most 5% thing to 30-40% of them being unhinged
I was at a Seventeen concert and this one girl who was probably in early high school was yelling the ENTIRE CONCERT. Like, for 3+ hours straight yelling 'I love you' in both English and Korean, asking why they were so hot, saying that she was losing her voice and she had school in the morning, how much money would it take for them to notice her etc. Even when they were chatting with the audience nobody in our section could hear because she was so loud. It was a great concert but I'm still pissed lol. I hope she learns some manners for her next go because everyone was hating her by the end
I went to the seventeen concert in fortworth and not a single person would put down their phones. It was so bizarre.
right before the LA show fans gave out banners to hold up during darl+ing. the middle of the concert, this girl in front of me was looking for her banner and turns around and asked my friends if the one by one of our bags was hers, but it was one of ours. i found her banner stuck underneath the leg of the chair of her friend right next to her. but i wasn’t able to get it without it tearing, so we asked her if she could lift her seat a little so we could grab the banner for her friend. she proceeded to ignore us at first, we chalked it up to her not hearing us as it was the MIDDLE of the concert. she then turns round ANGRILY and hands us HER banner and screams, “GO GO HERE JUST TAKE IT!!!!!! HERE!!!!” and her friend who was pretty soft spoken just looked at her and didn’t even explain the situation?
my friends and i were so shook because why tf are you getting mad and hollering at US when we were trying to help your friend instead of focusing on Seventeen performing. sorry for this rant i’ve held it in since august lmao
I’m so glad I’ve gotten into the metal/hardcore/punk scene because the concerts I’ve been to this year have been amazing and honestly I have to credit that to the fact that the crowd was mainly millennials
TRUEE metal concerts are amazing i went to bmth last summer
I have so many thoughts about this video!
I went to the Olivia Rodrigo concert and it truly was one of the worst experiences I've had at a show. going in I knew her fan base was young, but I wasn't expecting to be shoved, pushed past and just like have all common curiosity disregarded. Also the phone use was absolutely ridiculous, like the guy in front of me literally held up two phones recording the entire concert. Nobody could see because SO many people in front of us recorded the whole time.
I know mitski addressed the phone use and people were absolutely terrible to her. Like we've barely had mitski back from her 2019 retirement, why are you going out of your way to harass and drive her away. Plus her reasoning is sooo valid. She's already extremely vulnerable with her music. her performances are meant to be intimate and expressive. she set those boundaries of minimizing phone use to preserve her sanity, and to create a space SHE felt comfortable performing in. idk like just because someone is in the spotlight, doesn't mean you are entitled to their time and talent. If she says a wall of phones makes her feel like a dancing monkey, as her fan why wouldn't you support her suggesting ways to help midigate these feelings 😭
also when it comes to the gen z obsession with aesthetics and this hive mind mentality, I definitely think the pandemic did have a large influence. I worked at a middle school and the amount of just like ridiculous things happening on a daily basis was just absurd. Not being able to interact with their peers for like 2 years made things routy. they had to relearn how to interact with new and people and how to treat them appropriately. But also during teenage years developmentally, emotionally and socially there are so many rapid changes. This is where kids start to kinda gain their sense of identity, and so they are very malleable. With the 24/7 unfiltered access to the internet mixed with trying to navigate teenage hood, you are very susceptible to the influence of social media and the internet in general. It truly is worrisome because we are already seeing the effects on kids and teens. I'm not saying all teenagers shouldnt have social media, but I do think a conversation needs to be started around teaching kids and teens how to consume it safely. Even adults have unhealthy relationships with their media consumption and to truly address this issues a lot of things (misogyny, racism, colorism, abelism, transphobia, fatphobia and so many more) would have to be addressed and acknowledged as harmful. So I don't know hahah I just hope as we progress at least like disclosures, warnings and notes that what we are seeing, isn't always accurate depiction of reality are included.
**also I'm sorry this is so long, I just really liked the video 😭😭😭**
this is really eye-opening, thank you!
i live in a 3rd world country and i don't think i'll ever be able to experience to mitski perform but no way i would think she's a bigot because of not wanting for everyone to use, mostly everyone who has a problem with it it's just first world privileged kids who don't understand shit, i bet EVERYONE had their phones with flash on because that's just how people are
Word.
I’m 20 as well and I had the exact same experience at the Salt Lake City concert of Olivia’s 🥲 I was about 10 feet away from the stage but I would’ve been so much closer if it weren’t for all the pushing and shoving & being so close didn’t matter anyway when everyone around you is too busy recording the entire show to enjoy it 🥲
agree with all of this, very well said. it’s sad
I'm so mad like I live in one of those countries that are never included in artists' tours and I would DIE to listen to mitski live meanwhile spoiled 1st world 'fans' would show up and be disrespectful.. like do you know how many people wish they had that luxury!!
EDIT : perhaps the only good thing about not being able to attend to concerts is to not be a witness of such rudeness
IKR!! same. I'm out here WISHING i can go, and these people are just blatantly disrespecting the artists. Smh
Same, I live in Norway…but I could never go anyway bc I’m 95% bedbound & live in constant pain, & a month ago my neckspasms(triggered by sound,light,pain, insomnia) I had 4yrs ago, I managed to keep them at bay with Fentanyl & now I don’t know what to do….
Ppl don’t know how well they have it, I just wish I had one day with energy & no pain, where I could dance with my lil brother & go to the beach/forest w/friends/family & read a book & just enjoy the air on my skin, the smell, the colours & music without worrying abt my top 3 struggles.
I’m not only being deprived of basic human experiences, but I physically suffer so much I’ve planned assissted death in the Netherlands.
I feel so bad for all the other suffering & having to see kids, teens & adults act entitled, ignorant, narcissistic etc instead of wanting to learn, fight for basic human rights, spendispending some of that military gold on research & formulating medicine,surgery or treatment for terrrible diseases. I got sick from the h1n1 vaccine 09, covid vaccine is more potent and frequent than any vaccine in history, they’ve admitted the chsnces of getting CFS was x3 & CFS increased with 70% in Norway 09….What happened to me can happen to anyone!
THIS! I know the video discusses gen z behavior but i think it's very localized. It's such an american thing. These artists wouldn't be treated this way abroad. Most people in the world wouldn't waste money on some american artist they don't know just for a tiktok... and if they know you and know how rare it is for american artists to come perform in their country they don't act this way. It's spoiled brat behavior. Lol, americans act this way, broadcast it proudly, then wonder why the rest of the word 1) always recognize them when they are visiting abroad, 2) want them to leave as soon as they arrive.
@@KookiesNolly as someone living in eastern EU and someone who visits concerts sometimes I totally agree. Like, here we do act slightly stiff in concerts (we're just not a very expressive culture so we might sorta move and sing along but most are just too scared to full on dance in public outside of like headbanging) but I have been to both small and massive concerts of local and american artists and the most disrespectful things at a concert I have ever seen were a couple making out in the crowd during a warmup performance and someone yelling "where's your health?" during a HEALTH concert as a funny pun ig (altho it was hella disrespectful cause the vocalist was performing despite food poisoning and was throwing up on stage when it happened. Luckily almost no one found that funny)
I know!! My country is lately included in more tours than before but the tickets are expensive and they're all in the capital city (I live six hours away by bus), so you really need to pick your concerts well. I can't believe there are people that are able to take it for granted SO MUCH that they end up behaving like this.
I saw mitski on tour in February and she is one of the most talented performers I've ever seen. it was so sad when people were being blatantly gross and disrespectful, calling her mommy and playing games in the FRONT ROW. it was so sad and it makes me wonder if artists are going to slowly stop touring.
Even as a casual fan of mitski, I love that there’s a lot of her music for me to listen too, and my favorite song from her was “first love/late spring.” When I saw how she was singing that on stage I couldn’t help but sing myself!
The way those people treated her when singing it shows that these people have a refined taste for sheep music or in other words “Tik Tok songs.”
I LOVE FIRST LOVE/LATE SPRING!
Ironic that Gen Z is pressed on individuality and identity yet engage in #sheeple mentality.
@oaktree_ I agree everyone is so caught up in making their personalities they're not actually living lol.
@@bruhvibes5941 This word right here.
That’s white Gen-Z
@@bmwjourdandunngoddess6024 it’s really not
I'm 17, I've been going to concerts since I was 6, I've been to tens of concerts, and seeing my age group blatantly disrespect artists is so horrible. It makes live performances so much worse.
I had no idea concerts can be seen at such a young age.
@@mpazinambao2938 you can literally be any age lmao
@@mpazinambao2938 as long as the concert doesn’t have an age limit
Yea, me too. My moms been taking me for ages but my first huge one was Katy perry at 8.
I’m kinda jealous y’all have seen so many concerts wowww! Although by God’s grace, I got to see my first concert January! It was amazing and luckily nobody was disrespectful!
As a person who is gen z I literally don’t understand how poorly you can treat someone who’s supposed to be you’re idle. Like those people are still humans???
i saw mitski at the pitchfork music festival in chicago and most of the people around me were all there to support mitski, super respectful, and enthusiastic about her music. she gave some words about how genuinely thankful she was for us and it makes me so frustrated to see how people act at a lot of her shows. she is truly an amazing performer and really connects with her fans (when they aren’t being assholes) and i’m so glad i was able to see her live
It’s so ironic because the people bullying these artists online are the same people who start crying hysterically the second someone even slightly raises their voice at them 🤷♀️
FR sensitive ass people 😭 they're so tough on the internet but can't keep that energy irl
100%
Yeah, there we have the people that also will cancel you for the stupidest thing ever.
The way Loona stans bullied Kim Lip off stage in Chicago makes me so mad..poor girl cried and never came back
I am just finding out about this through the comments on this video, that seriously sucks. Like you'd expect international fans to be more respectful , I feel like usually they are but still
@hannah
why tho? is she the "least liked" or something?
I went to a Wallows concert in May and a girl named Jordana was the opener. People were holding up their phones to show her lyrics because her music was actually really good and it was fun singing along to songs I’ve never heard before. It was really sweet. I want to see more people being nice at concerts.
I feel like you are completely correct about Gen Z feeling like they need to belong to something! I’m apart of Gen Z and as soon as you said it it made sense. All of the Gen Z being a ”different” generation back in the height of the pandemic and even now is because of our identity issues. It may not be like that for other people but it was like that with me. During the pandemic I was obsessed with the whole Gen Z thing but that was just because of a longing to belong to something.
I think Gen Z is a pretty good generation especially cause I'm a part of it. but, why do they like to fit into a box but then they get SO mad when someone who is famous fits into the same box? it makes no sense and it's irritating.
@Mojo? exactly what I'm trying to say
i’m 15 so i’m a part of the GEN Z demographic and this is absolutely embarrassing to me. I have gone to concerts since I was in elementary school and I’ve loved it ever since. i’ve been to 30+ concerts with my dad and it’s some of the best moments I’ve ever had. To see these people blatantly disrespecting artists i’ve seen and valued for a while is heartbreaking. I do not want to be associated with these people. They do not label me and concert going is a gift and a privilege. I love that you can be in a room of people who all agree and all the negative and terrible words and thoughts are left at the door. Ive seen a lot of different artists and some indie artists live (peach pit and still woozy) and those were probably my favorite concerts. It saddens me that not everyone can get the respect they deserve.
Omg yes I'm a Gen Z to and I hate it because I'm very respectful and kind but these other kids give us a bad reputation like not all of us are bad 😔 but these other kids just needs a LOT of discipline.
I'm also 15 and I recently went to my first concert, and I had been looking forward to it for a really long time. I went with my dad which was nice. But everyone was so disrespectful, and it was claustrophobic standing in a room with people constantly trying to shove and push past you. My dad said it was one of the worst crowds he's ever seen which is embarrassing and I honestly don't know if I want to go to concerts anymore because while it was great hearing one of my favorite artists live being in a crowd like that is frightening.
…. This behavior has always existed. This is in no way new. At all. You’re 15.
honestly I don't think younger gen z like you are the problem -- I'm 18 and I went to my first concert at 14 before COVID and it was definitely a different vibe. i believe it's people who have little to no experience in concerts that are also older than the age you usually start going to them (but couldn't go before bc of the pandemic) --- so 16, 17, 18 year olds. tbh I hope it's a problem that fixes itself as time goes on and we grow up a bit
@@kaitlynm9463 believe me i know. my father attended woodstock 99. concerts and people themselves can get off the rails easily
im not even a coi leray fan but her tweeting "starting to feel like y'all wanna kill me," really breaks my heart.
I went to a K.Flay concert a few months ago with my bestie and her mom and let me just say… it was one of the most amazing and respectful concerts ever. There were hardly any teenagers and mostly adults in their 30s-40s, and everyone was so fun, smoking weed, jamming out and just having fun. Even when there was underrated openers everyone was so respectful. Even after the show everyone was either high or drunk and just so nice to each other. A lesbian couple came up to me and complemented my Guardians of the Galaxy shirt. Honestly it was the best first concert experience.
It’s called narcissism…And I completely believe that narcissism is what this age of social media has cultivated. People are so focused on being the “main character” that they’re losing all self awareness. The “main character” has truly become a part the faceless crowd that in cartoons/anime that’s only there to show how unindividualistic they are.
As a Gen-Z adult, it makes me sad to hear that some kids from my generation are so disrespectful to music artists. I love music and haven’t gotten the chance to go to a live show in a long time. If I go, I’m enjoying the experience not making it stink for everyone else.
As a middle schooler myself, I can confirm that 99% of my peers can’t hold a civil conversation 🥲 ( I went to an Alicia Keys concert a few days ago and these people who sat beside me were so disrespectful)
As a Gen-Z’er (is that the word?) I have never been to a concert before. Tbh, at this point I don’t think I want to go to one anymore for the fear that others will ruin it for everyone else. I often listen to Mitski’s entire albums because her music is good and the art is something I can appreciate, and it truly disgusts me the way she was treated as an opener, which she didn’t even have to do for their scraggly, basic, white girl asses. 😐👊
Aww it kind of also depends on the artist too, maybe for your first few go see your fave artists who are a little less well known (not on tik tok lol), hopefully you'll get a crowd of music lovers and it is one of the best experiences x
oh I saw phoebe bridgers in july and it was so good although she‘s one of the artists whose crowd is called out sometimes and it was great!! so maybe you‘ll be lucky it might be worth a shot :)
Same, my favorite band has been on hiatus for 11 years now and I always wish they’d come back and do concerts so I can see them but if this is the way people act I’d be scared to go :/
Yeah same
I'm a Millennial, I can unfortunately tell you that this is the way concerts have been my entire lifetime. Before us, Gen X were even worse. I have older family members who talk regularly about how they would every concert try to jump up onstage and then security would have to carry them away and often the musician wouldn't feel safe playing anymore.
As a 19 year old, I have to say this is mainly the 14-16 year olds. I’ve been to many concerts before and after the pandemic and everyone my age acts like they have some sense and knows concert etiquette. It’s these younger gen z kids that are just completely missing the memo.
They need to be eradicated
@@wholethedogsout880 no … they just need to grow up
@@wholethedogsout880 🤓
Many of ya'll are like this. But fortunately, there are Gen Z people who are actually just cnjddjskoslssl EFF off huhuhu
Yeah, probably not. When you're 19 you're not as far from 16 as you wish you were. It's all Gen Z. Ya'll were raised on social media and now the rest of us pay the price.
Also your profile name is like a microcosm of the "I'm mature for my age" mentality you're living in lol. How vintage is 19 years? Not at all lol.
personally if i didn't like someone's music, i just wouldn't show up to the concert, i feel like people who go to shows to make fun of the artist are just wasting their money because at the end of the day the money that you're paying to see is going to that artists pocket lol
Exactly like you can pay 100 bucks to just record and heckle an artist all you want but that money will go directly to them and their team.
also if you hate the opener, just show up a little later (especially if you have assigned seating)
I saw this on tiktok today but the "K-pop stanification" of every fandom is also becoming a problem too. The way Gen Z is straight up hunting down Joseph Quinn right now?? There's apparently a group chat jist to find his location and people showed up to his hotel while he was on a family vacation HIS brother (i think it was his brother) had to tell them to leave. It's with everything, the way kids are sending eachother money to buy more albums just so their multimillionaire faves can have a number one?? The people straight up sexually harrasing celebrities at concerts, the extra intense breakdown and headcanons on REAL PEOPLE'S sexuality and identity. It's too much, they're also so young and talking about being subs and doms all these things.
I'm on the older side of Gen Z and I was there for the 1D era of haking airport cameras to see them exist and I think things are even more extreme now. I was there when these kinds of behaviours started happening but it's been turn up to an eleven. Genuinely concerned for the way internet is impacting younger kids and teens, I definitely know for sure that I was impacted by the Tumblr Sad Girl era when I was that young and social media wasn't what it is today.
the Joseph quinn thing is just so gross?? wtfff
@@perfectsekai I saw this the other day apparently Nicki fans have a 'bank' too to help each other buy stuff her music.
the obsession with Joseph Quinn has also brought other people tons of hate,the actress who played Chrissy in ST is being harrassed by his fans everyday on the internet simply for doing her job
To be fair stalkers and crazy fans is nothing new. The early 2000's paparazzi era was horrifying, take Britney Spears as an example. Internet Is making It even worse but lets not act like this shit didnt happen before
as a 2004 baby/music appreciator, i’ve never seen anything like that in person. i go to concerts and support local bands every weekend and it definitely depends on the specific music scene. i’m in a punk/metal/alternative scene and shit like that never happens here. i have a theory tiktok bs like that only happens in the white rap/soft alt/pop communities.
Girl can you make a video about the way we (as fans and media) dehumanize celebrities and treat them like toys? Like those clips of people screaming profane things at artists and acting like they don’t have emotions
Another case is the band Beach House. They're an indie duo who have been making music since the early 2000s, so a large portion of their fans are older. But ever since Space Song blew up on TikTok alot of younger fans have been causing havoc at their recent tour.
Fans have spoken about them talking throughout, recording the entire show, using flash (when they asked them not to), leaving after they play Space Song, and even making fun of the opening act because they didn't have many Instagram followers.
Yup. Same experience for Half Alive. Went to their show and most people were respectful fans but some were incredibly rude. The lead singer did a spoken word about his upbringing and diseased mother, and there was a group of Gen Z beside me who talked throughout the whole thing (while the rest of the audience was trying to be attentive and listen). So disruptive and disrespectful. And then they trashed this one girl who asked them to stop talking (for context they were loudly talking as a group - so this girl was not out of line to ask them to hush up a bit)
Wow this is sad to hear. I’ve seen Beach House in concert many times as they are my favorite band. I have not see them in their latest tour. I always loved going to their shows because everyone was so chill and relaxed. I hate the new tik tok world. It’s depraved and lacks empathy.
I saw them in Brussels a few weeks ago! I didnt notice any kind of disruption, had a lovely time actually. Maybe the audience being non-english speakers has something to do with it? I mean people definitely are on tiktok here but i feel like trends differ and dont travel nearly as fast as in the US and anglophone countries. Also there was a high percentage of older millenials in the audience so maybe that helps keeping things safe from that group snowball effect of gen z mayhem.
@@alizee6722 Pretty much all the stories I heard were from America, so I definitely think it's a cultural thing. Concerts in general seem to be more respected and appreciated in Europe than the States. Hope you had a good time!
Something similar happened to Will Wood to the point he no longer allows minors in his concerts
the world would be better if people just treated artists like artists like if an artist u dont like just showed on the stage give them the respect they deserve at least as artists 😭
at the very least as _people_ :/
I’m a huge Clairo fan, and before I got to go to the Philadelphia concert (it was amazing), there were videos of her being catcalled “mommy” and some other stuff, and that was right after a song she sang that was about s3xual harassment. I feel rly bad for her
i went to a mitski concert a couple weeks back and i was really excited to see her but the crowd was very disappointing. pretty much everyone was just trying to film her and some people sang parts of her most popular songs but besides that no one was really doing anything. i saw multiple people on snapchat just sending pictures of her as their streaks and it just made me sad because her performance was amazing and she puts in so much to give her all to her fans and had that as an audience.
this stuff makes me so sad. especially when clairo opens up about sexualisation in blouse and then gets profanities yelled at her immediately after is disgusting to me. what happened to respect.
Oooh I have 3 guesses on this:
1. I agree with you when you said it’s a trend and now being disrespectful in concerts is a trend, people are now doing it
2. I have this theory to do with enjoyment, if isn’t seen as popular or as cool, then you’re weird for enjoying it (which is dumb btw) so now it’s transferred into being disrespectful at concerts and to artists, to almost mock the audience for enjoying it and the artist for creating that music
3. It’s almost attention seeking, like that annoying person in class who’d always be naughty for the class to pay attention to them as if they’re cool when they’re just a pain 🤦🏻♂️ it’s basically that and in the eyes of the internet (and the world) bad press = good press
@oaktree_ literally it’s so true and I remember when I was in school, people thought I was weird and not cool for liking pop music and Taylor Swift ✨ but you’re so right we have to kinder to ourselves and each other
Sometimes if it is popular it's ridiculed, like this generation has such an obsession with "new" and "authentic" that anything that's slightly seen as normal or like another or is just liked by what seems to be the majority it's ridiculed and attacked. (For example if ur an Olivia fan all of a sudden ur taste is basic/terrible etc) it's sickening
@@payt00n omg wait that’s so true too, it’s literally people trying to “not like other girls” themselves so they can seem cool
I literally just got out of a Lumineers concert and was GENUINELY SHOCKED at the number of people that were on their phones the whole time?! Like editing and posting photos and videos literally right there…. Why not just wait to post until the concert is done?? It made me so sad
you literally just said everything that was on my mind, as a person who belongs in the gen z i can confirm that our identities are messed up and it's really hard to find ourselves nowadays, social media (esp. tiktok) has ruined a lot of things including our behaviour.
(also i loved this video and how you explained everything
I'm telling you yo we need to go boycott Tiktok lmfao. Worst thing that ever happened to social media. There needs to be a safe medium of sharing info, life with Instagram and Twitter. Tiktok is just so damaging to these impressionable kids who have been on it since they were 9. They get home from school and spend the rest of the day on Tiktok, and for their whole childhood. It's ruining everything in my opinion; fashion, music, even food lmao.
yess omg & it's become sooo adictive as well smh :/
Yes. Tik tok is so annoying .
Observing from a country where Tiktok is banned. Its the same, cz we have alternative ig reels 😑
Even if we ban tiktok, it's widespread already. As a person who swore not to use tiktok because it's addicting and damaging, i find myself being addicted towards youtube shorts ever since they were first introduced. It was good at first since that's where i found most of foodies like Lisa Nguyen and comedies that i grew fond of, but as time goes on it's just the same thing OVER AND OVER again. And it's mostly tiktok videos with their logos just reuploaded to yt shorts 😤 now facebook and instragram are pushing reels which is just basically their own tiktok too, truly we can't escape this shorter form of entertainment. Also i hate that yt direct me to shorts when i enter youtube, it's so annoying.
@@miraclemaker403 its terrifying, maybe there's a way to permanently ban certain app results or things like tiktok or shorts?
i was so sad when i saw how people were treating mitski. i love her music so much and would sell my soul to attend one of her concerts. she’s such a sweetheart and it must’ve been hard for her to see the way people reacted to her performance. you don’t have to like the artist, but you do have to respect the effort they’re making.
same :((
Yes like I saw her and she was so sweet to us! I’m pretty sure she’d arranged to have free water and a first aid station at her venue due to the heat, and she was so kind to us! She really deserves more.
I feel bad for how people treat Mitski but she does also bring it on herself with all her garbage ass "don't record my music because it makes me feel like I'm not sharing the moment with you" takes. Nobody goes to a concert to share a moment.
i think youre absolutely right...im in high school, literally 15 years old, and im so glad im on the side of the internet where i find content like yours, and mental health awareness stuff, along with actual humor, bc i know SO many people who are just toxic stans but wont admit it, all c they need to be a part of something. personally, the pandemic has changed me and made me into someone with so much more perspective than i used to have, bc i was 12 before the pandemic, and i remember being like this, doing stuff to fit in and to feel like im a part of something, and i may not still understand exactly who i am, im glad that at least im a little more mature than some of the people my own age and know how to stand up for the things and people i like, and not get influenced by the media too much and actually have opinions, bc honestly, its just embarrassing to act like this...
The only concert I’ve been too was wallows in June 2022 in Boston and I was 15 and I’d say the crowd was 15-19 year olds and I will say that I was very pleased to see everyone being respectful and I’m so happy people weren’t throwing bras and calling the members sexual things and being rude to the opening act and it was a great time
I’m 21 and have been going to shows regularly since i was 13. I definitely saw a huge difference in etiquette before & after covid. The first show i went to after lockdown was a small punk show and everyone was super respectful but at the more mainstream shows I’ve gone to, the vibes have been off and I’ve noticed a lot of disrespect. I loved your hypotheses and ideas surrounding this topic & definitely think this is a conversation that needs to continue. Keep up the great work ❤️❤️
That’s so true. I went to see Doja at Coney Island and about three fights broke out because people were annoyed at how crowded it was, so touching or bumping into somebody was bound to happen. But when I went to go watch deftones, no one had those issues. At one point everyone kinda fell because of the waves throughout the crowd, but we all kept having a good time! It was definitely more of my type of crowd.
I mostly go to alt rock shows at a small local venue (its a pretty well known one so i have gone to see a decent amount of shows) the more “indie” shows at arenas with my sister had the worst crowds and it was different than what i am used to. People are fending for themselves and not helping each which was so jarring to me.
i remember mitski being witch hunted on social media just a few months ago because she made a comment of how she wished people used their phones less during her concerts
as a gen z myself, i'm extremely embarrassed for these people 💀 the fact that they feel the need to be "different" by hating on others' interests just shows how insecure they are with their own (possibly non-existent) interests. Grow up. especially to the 18-20's year old gen z's. Screw your "niche aesthetic" and just be yourself for crying out loud,,, and stop trying to put others down for your gain 😭
Exactly and you can't help but feel embarrassed to be associated with these people 🧍♀️
ikr, it's so annoying to have everything I like be called TikTok music and be bullied online for liking mainstream things and things a lot of people don't like. it's weird how people are so obsessed with fitting into a box but then bully the living shit out of artists for fitting into that same box by branding it as being "unoriginal". as if the box they want to fit into was ever even original. there is no need to put down others for your personal gain. (sorry for that rant)
@@lydiabogan No no, i understand this. They go on and on about other people's interests being "basic," and being "inside the box," whereas apparently they're "outside the box,' and "different." Then go on to bully other people who try to ACTUALLY enjoy their own thing. What's up with the hypocrisy 😭😭😭😭
@@Dazzmi ikr
so happy to see you upload, girl! so authentic and beautiful, keep it up! you just glow!
dude I was at a 5sos concert in june and I didn't even realize they'd had a bit of a resurgence bc of tiktok and omg it was so noticeable how annoying young people ( my age ) act. like they were singing a sad slow song and the group of girls behind me yelled “YOU’RE SO HOT”. they'd done this the whole concert shouting unfunny stuff like “pick me choose me love” like stfu and let us listen bro 😭
I can only imagine how damaging experiencing something like that would be someone’s self-esteem. Why are y’all so mean damn
I went to a Mitski concert and me and everyone else in the room loved her performance, she continually made us cry laugh and we all really bonded in the room. A few weeks later my friends went to the Harry styles concert and said that everyone thought she was cringy - that fillled me with rage wtf is wrong w them?!?
Gen Z is proverbially caught between being the cool kid who thinks trying too hard is cringe and being the art kid who sees the nuance and beauty in everything and that's the problem.
Ya'll don't know who you are because you grew up online pelted by the opinions of every person around you. It's also because none of the old generations knew who they were either, but they had counter cultures and niches to fall into. Gen Z is so worried about trending and being "in", ya'll are like a bunch of dodos chasing each other off the cliff.
As a millennial whose generation has faced two recessions since graduating highschool, we don't have hope for y'all. The ship is already sinking, when it's sunk and everyone's on their own, y'all are super screwed. Trending won't matter when you're starving.
@@portofthoughts4477 I mean it’s one way to look at it, I do agree i wonder who i would’ve been if I didn’t have the internet. But I think generations in general aren’t the best way to distinguish people. I think if people started to dismantle generations as a concept, we wouldn’t feel the need to play into and defend stereotypes and we could just be our own people. Sadly that won’t happen, but it is a wish.
I love that you went ALL INNNN on this video. Need more of this. 💖
also the effect of parasocial relationships and lack of separation between behaviour on the internet and reality is so real and so damaging
:( it made me cry thinking abt how these artists must feel, also embarrassed to be part of gen z. ive been going to concerts basically my whole life and it's truly one of the most magical and special opportunities, i hate to think theyre starting to be ruined and that artists arent going to want to even keep touring. i wouldnt blame them tho because this behaviour is FOUL. infuriating honestly
Seeing people doing stuff like this makes me so sad. It’s so important to respect opening acts even if you don’t know them!! I’ve been front row at concerts where I’ve never heard the opener but I still dance with the music have fun and always applaud after a song! I’ve left many concerts becoming a fan of new artists too. It’s supposed to be a fun space for everyone to enjoy, and people ruining it makes me so mad
i recently got to see mitski perform and i'm happy everyone in the crowd was invested in the songs and the concert in general, hopefully she felt welcomed
Madisyn! I’m a new subscriber and am obsessed with your videos. Music commentary was definitely something missing from my TH-cam viewing! Thanks for doing what you do, keep it up 🔥