the good girl to bad girl pipeline in pop music
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I also think it’s ~interesting~ that these girls/women are supposed to be “role models” and yet boys/men don’t have that responsibility
Yup. Its so annoying.
Men aren't completely excluded, Justin Bieber was dragged through the mud during his growing up/experimenting phase as one example. I also can't think of as many break out boy to men solo artists as I can girls to women so statistically there might be a bias? But I would agree that women are generally more sexualized than boys/men.
I don't think men are excluded, especially queer man. Lil nas x just recently got dragged for having so many children as fans thanks to old time road and then dropping Call me by your name. People just search for problems whenever people who "aren't supposed to" reclaim der sexualitiy and it's so frustrating to watch
SPEAK UP SIS
In my observation, there are people who believe that pop stars should be role models and there are people who realize that that is silly. Male child stars are just as pressured to project an image of moral purity as female ones. However, what is true is that far more female pop stars were child stars than male ones, because women generally can't continue to be successful for quite as long. At least not as singers. Audiences tolerate older male singers or performers much better than older female ones. Not that there aren't exceptions, Dolly Parton comes to mind, but as a general rule a female singer can't expect to continue making it in showbiz if she's older than 40. Hence why most female singers will start some other type of business between their 30th and 40th birthdays. If a woman wants a long career, she needs to start early: so she'll start as a child or teen star. Men can wait longer to start their careers, so most male pop stars didn't start as children or teens. But those who did? yeah, the press will freak out just as much when they (inevitably) "go bad".
There is also a racial element to this. Notice the lack of flipping out when Beyoncé grew up and started dressing like a dominatrix in her music videos and putting out songs with all kinds of suggestive lyrics. Compared to, ya know, Britney...showing her bra? Her tummy? licking a lollipop? idk what people were actually freaking out about, and I lived through it lol. All I know is everyone was losing their minds over Britney, while The Queen B was wearing straight up bondage gear and nobody seemed to care (I did, but in the "oh, I guess I like girls too" way rather than the "omg how dare she" way). They were both child stars, but Beyoncé wasn't expected to be innocent and virginal and pure because she is black. Of course, the flip side of that is that on the occasions when she actually wants to project an image of purity for artistic reasons: it generally gets taken entirely the wrong way by the press (and in at least one video, by the cameraman).
I hate how the media represents the good girl gone bad image. They still expect a 12 year old child star that’s now 26 to look and act the same when they were kids
And if they do everyone talk bad about them soooo yeah no matter what everyone send hate in the same way
Not so much, jo jo siwa for example get hate as much as the other girls
@@rafaelsouza9646 jojo is the exception to the rule
@@user-us7py1cy2k i don’t think so. it’s part of the rule. you can’t be sexual but you cant be juvenile either. you have to be above youself as a 12 year old but not dress like a 20 year old because that’s too far, and you’re not yet grown.
@@amiyahancock4500 basically what you’re saying is it doesn’t matter what women do in the media, they still get shit for it
Gotta love the media 🙃
ill never understand why they expect a whole ass adult woman to be a virgin until marriage, otherwise theyre "a bad girl"
literally what
This also gets into infantilization of women.
Grown men get to be seen as mature autonomous people who can drink, sleep around, party, and go through the "f-boy phase."
While grown women should stay virginal, be anti-feminist, moral, feminine, mostly dependant, pretty, and still somehow have all the experince of a p0rn star. Don't believe me? The rise of incel men, MGTOW, and insecure boys online have a whole lot of the same things I'm saying.
The Madonna/Whore complex is real, destructive, and reductive.
While it's unmanly/abnormal of a adult man to remain a virgin
*whispers* it's misogyny
@@Des_. I've heard that to, it's disgusting
I really hate that attitude that it’s a random celebrity’s responsibility to be a role model to your child. It is not Britney’s responsibility to provide a moral compass for anyone else’s child, she can be out singing about orgies and Satan and it’s still her prerogative and the parents’ ultimate responsibility.
I guess here it's actually the parents responsibility to teach their kids to differentiate between this is just art and not your moral compass. It's honestly so stupid that parents expect random celebraties to be a moral compass for their children. Sure it's good when celebraties and artists spread a good message and but it's not their job to raise kids.
EXACTLY!!!!!!
I only somewhat agree. If society as a whole ONLY normalizes artists who make music about drugs, sex, etc then parents truly have no real options as far as music for their child. “Christian music” has become a meme and any child who pulls up listening to Josh Groben or something will surely be bullied. When you say things like “it’s the parents’ responsibility” you’re basically encouraging helicopter parenting because that’s the only real option a parent has to protect their kids from inappropriate content. With the internet and progressive social norms, things come to a point where we have to stop thinking selfishly and think about civilization as a whole. We can’t have EVERYBODY making music about sex and drugs and you can’t have a functioning society if everyone just cares about their own individual freedoms.
@@gummy5862 then make your kids listen to Taylor Swift for example. At the end of the day, artists are NOT going to change themselves for the sake of someone else's kids, not matter how much people complain. There's always going to be artists that don't make music purely about sex and drugs.
@@gummy5862 I agree somewhat with you but your statement about “christian music” is false, at least in the black community. We’d pull up playing some Kirk Franklin and guarantee there’s more than three people so thing along. No matter the amount of rap, trap, and R&B we listen to, you can always find some of us listening to Gospel still
Just an fyi the “no showing your shoulders” dress code rule for girls at school isn’t for the other 13 year old boys it’s for the male teachers who are adults already, Unfortunately.
damn u right … also ew 😐
Literally and it's so creepy 💀
ive been thinking about this.. it’s so disgusting
NASTY
Tell ‘em.
They really expect CHILDREN to be role models to other children???? Lmao go parent your offsprings sheesh
Ikr lol
“Are you a virgin?” What kind of question is that? I live how Britney answered the dumbest questions the most respectful way
and the fact that she was mostly getting those questions when she was like 16/17/18 years old is SO weird
@@es-jm5fg Fr!!
Well I don’t. This woman’s TH-cam Channel seems to be all about female complaints and grievances with men in power but no solutions for women. Well here’s a solution.
Women need to stop being such meek little cowards.
Women need to start practicing standing up for themselves instead of expecting a man to stand up for them.
Women need to stop acting like it’s impossible for you to say no.
No one is expecting y’all to have physical courage like a man but at the very least y’all should be able to have social courage.
Which is the courage to stand on your square, in your truth. Regardless of how many people take offense to it.
@@endershepard7117 u just wrote a whole damn paragraph and for what. That’s literally what Women have been doing for years. Standing up for themselves. And here you go talking about how she’s just complaining, no baby it’s called giving awareness to people, it’s what other might have experienced etc etc. In Britney’s situation, she’s actually not allowed to talk about certain things due to her being controlled by her parents
@@endershepard7117 we already do. And you call us a "bitch" for that. Guess why? Because YOU all are cowards and afraid when women finally speak up, stand up for themselves and gain power.
The fact that grown adults were so mad at Miley to "protect the children", and we as children literally 7-12 year olds were just vibing with her and her music is hilarious
frr like every time parents ban together to start up a whole "protect the children !!1!" protest, us kids never even care 💀
I was arguing w someone on an old Hannah Montana mv that I was watching on a nostalgia trip in like, 2016 or 17. Someone told me in THAT PARTICULAR YEAR, well after Can't Be Tamed and Bangerz, that Miley "ruined the lives of millions of children." The exact wording, and I never forgot that bc goddamn that's so hilariously hyperbolic and pearl-clutchy.
@@Diana-mu7pc The kids don't even care and are too young to get it anyway. Parents are so dramatic 🤦🏾♂️😂
@@chrisman3431 I feel like it probably wasn't even a parent. It was probably, like, some kid who SORT OF remembered Hannah Montana and was too young to follow Miley when she left Disney and heard people say "she went crazy" and swallowed it uncritically. Lol.
@@Diana-mu7pc
You literally just described my attitude towards her up until like two years ago lol
Girls in middle-high school get lectured for wearing a tank top or regular shorts to gym class. Meanwhile guys are shirtless playing basketball 🤨
I know right like it makes no fucking sense
Double Standard
Or in my old secondary school, they just straight up played football in their boxers.
it's so horrible to think that these girls have to appeal to sexual gestures and a "dirtier image" to people realize that they are grown women, but instead of celebrate that, the media was really interested in putting they down and use this to make money over depreciate image of female artists who just want to be recognized who they really are. A similar thing happen with Mariah Carey, despite that she's was already a woman, but carries that "sweetheart and docile" kind of personality, and with the divorce and the Butterfly era she really could be who she really are.
Butterfly was really the tipping point for Mariah's independance/emancipation (no pun intented) from Tommy Motolla as a woman and an artist. That's when she had full creative control over her sound and image. She was fully transitionning into RnB and hip hop. It slowly started with Daydream obviously with the ODB feauturing on Fantasy remix, Da Brat on Always Be My Baby remix, Jermaine Dupri (Always Be My Baby), Babyface (Melt Away) at the production, and the Boys Il Men collab One Sweet Day which was longest running number 1 on the billboard hot 100 until Lil Nas X Old Road of course (16 non consecutive weeks at number 1). But with Butterfly it was official she worked with Bad Boys (Diddy, Mase, The Lox, Stevie J) on Honey and its remix, Bone Thugs and Harmony (Breakdown), she sampled Mobb Deep Shook Ones part Il and invited them (The Roof), Missy Elliott at the production and songwritting (Babydoll), featured rnb group Dru Hill (The Beautiful Ones)....
Of course Sony wasn't feeling it and did not promoted Breakdown, The Roof or the title track. Only the lead single Honey and the latin ballad My All became hits and both peaked at number one on the hot 100 and did great internationaly as well. And obviously Mariah was more sexual and sexy in her image. She became this bombshell with her banging ass body. The iconic scene of her coming out the swimming pool in the Honey music video like a James Bond girl. She was more expressive and open about her childhood growing up in an interracial family, having a black venezuelan father and white Irish mother, her racial ambiguity, especially during that interview with Oprah and with her mother
I think the girl who always kept the good girl image was Beyoncé 😂😂😂
@@tyboholley9879 Beyoncé never tried to have a good girl image. Her songs were always mature and had mature topics, even since destiny’s child.
Its mostly from older male producers that want to pretty much play onto fantasies of female artists being legal or barely legal to sexualize, so they use it as pretty much reintroducing an artist twice for more money. To make them women they have to be edgier so that older audiences don't dismiss them as being for kids, and reason stated above.
the thing is: Why do we think that being a woman is showing our body ina sexual way?
EXACTLY!!
Exactly! Why is showing out bodies a may to manifest our womanhood?
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No the question is why is nudity/sexuality only linked to a woman's body,why is a man showing off his body considered normal and harmless while a woman doing it is immoral/triggering?
@@hannaansari2921 yeah that too
gotta love how parents blame literally everyone but themselves
Always and forever
I just think it's funny when parents flip out and are like, "THINK ABOUT THE CHILLLLLDREN!" No. Be a parent.
@@Bakesterbaker then look away.
@@Bakesterbaker porn? Ok Puritan
Parents would literally rather scream "THINK OF THE CHILDREN!!!" than parent their own, and it makes me very concerned for the next generation.
They make money off of children 💀
@@Bakesterbaker it's the parents job to talk to their children and help them make the difference between a music video with some outfits and a choreography and the real life.
And obviously how isn't necessary to adopt the style and behaviour a singer has in her video because that's just acting for the sake of her job and career as a musician / performer/ entertainer/ dancer . It's not some personality trait that a 13 yo should adopt just because the singer looks cool or the song sounds nice.
As for even younger children they probably have no deeper idea about what the singer is talking about and mostly listen to the song because it sounds good. Bonus points if they are from a non English speaking country.
I used to blast pitbull hotel room service when I was 9 not even caring about the video or knowing what he's singing about because it sounded good .
Billie Eilish was always a “bad girl” lmao. Nothing about her earlier clothing style or image gave off “good girl vibes”. She just shows more skin now because she’s not a child and because she feels more comfortable.
I don't understand why Billie is so popular now. And I've heard her music, it's not good. Seems like she's only getting attention because people like it when she's nude, which brings me back to Jessie Reyez's song Gatekeeper.
you should express yourself more respectful about her i think
@@Ryan-pg1tw Ive seen you all over this comment section and your replies make you sound like a bot.
@@Ryan-pg1tw i saw you say this about justin timberlake lol
@@summerrose8110 there are a lot of people who do like her music though. she’s funny, down to earth, and very relatable for younger girls. everyone has their own tastes :P
justin timberlake did some really ugly things during that era, I wish there was more conversation about how male artists contribute to this phenomenon. another great video, thanks for sharing!
Yes he did… This is why I do not like him no more. Sure, he made contributions to the entertainment industry… This still does not mean I am going to support his work, especially the music🤷🏾♂️💯
What u mean ugly things? We all have made mistakes. We're human. You're acting as if Britney is an angel and hasn't made her share of mistakes. They were both young and both part of that relationship. Both grew up into a business that takes advantage of u. Both learned from it and now cool with each other now.
What exactly did Justin Timberlake do? I've seen comments shitting on him, but never explain why.
you should express yourself more respectful about him i think
@@w.hendrixx What about Janet?
That notorious baby voice Britney had wasn’t her real voice, they made her take lessons and put in WORK practicing for that voice. Her real voice is completely different, and is actually very strong & powerful - similar to Christina’s.
Her real voice IS phenomenal and it's heartbreaking to think we never got a chance to really enjoy it in all it's splendour😔
While I understand how influencial Madona was for pop stars, I do think that Janet Jackson is often left out of the converstation. Especially for this video with the whole 'good girl gone bad' trope. She started off as a child star in Good Times and then transitioned into a more sexualized image when she got older. You can see Janet Jackson's influence in most of the stars discussed in this video, especially in Christina. Brintey's sexy era was giving diet Janet. That's not shade btw. I absolutley adore Brittany and ate that stuff UP as a kid but it was Janet Jackson cosplay lol. Even the voice and the music. Janet was the blue print but Madona gets all the credit.
No, Britney did her own thing. Sure that Janet was a huge inspiration for Britney, but she was something different
Preach!!!!
Thank you so much Maggie. Janet Jackson needs to get her credit. This is why I made a few videos of her. Madonna always gets the credit (no shade to Madonna)… Long story short, as Black people we need to uplift our people and give their dues (of course not in a pedestal way lol). Hopefully, Madisyn does a video on Janet and other Black / mixed with Black singers🤘🏾😛🤘🏾‼️
Madonna stole a lot of her work and stole a lot from black artists as well. So, she ain’t all that.
@@JulianSteve Yup!❤️
Janet Jackson was also a pioneer in the pop genere who was also affected by the media and their scrutiny. She still hasn’t gotten the recognition that she truly deserves.
Yes!!!!
Yep and it’s annoying… I thought Madisyn would mention her here… At this point, I should make a Janet Jackson video again on my channel lol🤣‼️
@@JulianSteve I’m thinking about making one on my channel too.
Who messed it for her??? Justin Timberlake!!! Istg that man is in the center for some amazing women's downfall every time
@@incharak1927 and he still hasnt properly apologized 🙄🙄🙄🙄
I agree, and it's sad that the only way a lot of female artists are evolving themselves is if they are hyper sexualized. Being sexualized for the male gaze doesn't mean that you're maturing necessarily. There are MANY more parts to growing up than that.
Yes finally someone who spitted fax
Exactly
Exactly. It's like once a man deems you "fuckable" you're a woman..it's so horrible
I know this video is about female popstars but its fascinating to see how the general idea of people hating on child singers/actors/etc just because they've evolved with their age, has been so normalized. Somehow, people think just because a child acts a certain way when they're young that they are supposed to be that way throughout their life. Like in the music industry, Demi-Lovato and Selena-Gomez got so much shit for switching up the genre and topics of their music and being the women they wanted to be. The idea of a bunch of PARENTS thinking they have a right to give their opinion on how another child artist should act growing up is so insane.
I also don't like the double standards of the industry because I don't see many male Disney stars getting as much shit for switching up their personas or music. Somehow if Harry Styles wears colored suits, dresses, he's expressing himself but when a female artist wears something that might be a bit out of the ordinary she's suddenly screaming for attention or a slut. I'm not saying male artists don't get shit its just not proportionate to the hate female artists get.
@@AG-kf7vp A teenager is a child. Britney was also a teen when she rose to REAL fame, a lot of woman in the music industry started in their teens and were expected to remain like teens when they got older so that’s not true. Y’all will make all kinds of excuses for men and why you don’t sexualize them but sexualize woman in the industry for growing up.
@@AG-kf7vp I said she rose to real fame in her teen years, i didn’t say she got famous as a teen. The only difference is that society expects woman to stay pure and perfect but men are allowed to be over sexual from an early age without consequences. That’s the only “difference”
This is why people shouldn't assume women have full agency in these kinds of situations. She was a 16-year-old girl who did NOT have full control of her image. She was failed by the adult men who intentionally sexualized her snd pushed a sexy teen narrative. She's since spoken about being uncomfortable during some of it.
What bothers me most about this isn’t just the expectations people have for these women, but the fact that men aren’t even held to that same standard. I was so disgusted how Justin Timberlake declared that he took Britney Spears virginity. He boasted about it and Britney Spears was crucified but Justin Timberlake was seen as a God.The double standards make me so angry.
He was young and immature at the time in an industry thats vile. He's a grown adult now that's different. Not the same person anymore. Keep that in mind.
@@w.hendrixx this doesnt change anything? Britney was around the same age and didnt shitted on him
@@dlalalabu5956 And how u know she didn't shit on him? She is no angel just like he is no angel. Yall acting as if she didn't do no wrong in the relationship. Why do u think he made the song Cry Me A River. Dude was hurt by something she did. The relationship wasn't pretty by both ends and once again as I was telling others that's defending Britney we were not there in the relationship. Both played a part but it's all in the past now so stop playing the blame game. They both grew up and cool now. It's a learning experience from a messed up industry that used them.
@@w.hendrixx yeah sure justin's feeling got hurt while media -which already hates her so much- got even more agressive and ruined her psycology even more and that caused spears' ruin britney but as always people like you think men's feelings are more important than a woman's life
@@dlalalabu5956 OH don't even try this about men's feelings are important about women's life. What you're doing is taking a situation that happened many years ago and flipping it to blame one man as if he was the main culprit or the evil genius behind what happened to both Britney and Janet. Justin is no angel and we all make mistakes when we're young. We grow from them and he has shown growth throughout the years from those mistakes. He was young and also hurt when he wrote the song Cry Me A River from whatever Britney did to him. Britney was also young and dumb and made mistakes of her own. She's no angel and let's not try and act like she is when she's done alot in the past. There was alot of speculations that Janet Jackson planned a "wardrobe malfunction" a publicity stunt at that superboowl performance and Justin got caught up in it. There's all kinds of stories and speculations. So don't go blaming one man for all that's happened. There's many involved with all of this. Justin has personally apologized to them both years ago and they're all cool with each other. It's only now the media wanna bring all this out and the public wanna have a backlash. They all have moved on and so should everyone else. Janet of all people should get her proper recognition tho as a true icon.
also something i noticed is that alot of these singers use black culture to go into their "bad girl" phase and sexualize black culture in the process of doing so.(example: miley cyrus and the whole twerking fiasco etc)
Yep and I do not like it😬…
maybe you should express yourself more respectful about miley cyrus
@@Ryan-pg1tw where is the disrespect? Chill out dude
is miley cyrus twerking appropriation of black culture? /gen
@@ss-hc7tb not necessarily but it’s all the other things she did in that era
I was a kid when Britney became popular, and I will honestly never forgive people for how they treated her. It's disgusting.
Young pop stars think that becoming sexual equals maturity, womanhood, and freedom.
In a way a lot of young adults go through that phase
It’s normal to want to explore your sexuality and see what’s right for yourself. Let’s not shame them for wanting to try things or wanting to express themselves.
And yes, sexuality can be a way for a woman to feel more womanly. It’s subjective what makes you feel like a woman.
On the other hand, there’s a difference between themselves wanting to show their sexuality and a big company forcing them to sexualise themselves for money/marketing/attentions/scandals.
They are not taught in a healthy way. And abused by the public.
also mariah carey!! she released 'butterfly' in 1997 after divorcing her abusive husband (who was also pretty much her boss) and the album was a huge change for her image because she was finally able to express her sexuality in her lyricism and real-life fashion as she had never been allowed to before
kinda late to the convo but i think an important aspect of why christina's image transition went "smoother" that wasnt really taken into account here was christina's latina ancestry, it's not hard to see how the oversexualization of latin people, the fiery latina, the latin lover stereotypes all definitely played a part on making her the ~sexy~ teen pop star to britney's white all american good girl image
I was just about to write the same thing. Christina was never fully seen as “virginal” because of racism. It had the silver lining of less backlash later, but that’s small comfort if you realize the reason behind it is so f’d up.
I’ve been thinking a lot about this lately, it’s as if she’s read my mind! Really excited for this one
When I was a kid and became a fan of Britney, I always thought "She must be an icon in her country!" but now im learning media always hated her...
She is definitely an icon. The media did it’s true but her fans truly truly love her & no hate can take that away. Where are you from?
She was/is a massive icon here tho, that's just how western media treats our biggest stars unfortunately
@@angelicaguerino Turkey
While it’s true that the media hated her for some reason, you also were not wrong. She was/is an icon she’s just also viscerally hated.
she was an icon everywhere, but the sad thing is when you're the most famous person on the planet and so loved you're gonna get so much hate and that's disgusting
rihanna forsure is another example, literally album titled good girl gone bad 💀
Yes she is🙌🏾‼️
I was wondering how come she didn't do anything on black females that went bad ...these are all white females 🤔
I immediately thought about this
@@w.hendrixx i think because people already expect black female artists to be "bad girls" because of how hyper sexualised they are.
@@mariama1735 That's not necessarily true cause u have artists like Whitney Houston that came out way before these other artists that never really showed off their sexuality that way. Others like Brandy, Monica, Aaliyah, Mary J Blige, and Alicia Keys
Ariana Grande and her shedding off the character of Cat Valentine and trying to make a space for herself in the music industry. How she started off making "family friendly" music like her first album and then came the sexual nature of the problem music video, followed by the dangerous woman era. She had gone from being a cutesy musician/actress famously known for her cat ears and doe eyes, adopting an Audrey Hepburn esque look, to a more mature, sexual woman as is seen in the dangerous woman album.
to be frank… it was madonnas CHOICE as a grown woman to present herself that way. britney was a CHILD & for grown men to be commenting on her over sexualization as a child… is disgusting & disrespectful. as far as my research goes… her label wanted to push her to be that way. there’s a difference in conversation completely when comparing madonna to britney spears. it’s not that the media didn’t want her to be a woman… although some were definitely misogynistic. it was that the media has had a repeated history of over sexualizing children (girls & boys alike. look at justin bieber, brooke shields, even christina aguilera) this video has some merit in that the media plays a role in having an “issue” w women in general expressing themselves. but this video lacks research into the history of causation & effects. looking into billie ellish for ex, she was the complete opposite of what would be deemed as “sexy” bc she was underage & made a smart choice in not allowing herself to be subject to hyper sexualization until she was 18. let’s not act like the media is all about hating women. i’d actually go even further to say they love women shaking their ass & exposing themselves & being feminine to express a specific agenda that the media or the music industry wants to present. madonna was simply a vessel into her ideals of what art & femininity look like to her & how she wanted to express herself. i dont believe britney ever had the choice.
& to comment on someone’s virginity frankly… is nobody’s business. that’s super unprofessional to ask any artist this question as it doesn’t pertain to their artistry. virginity has been specifically used as a misogynist tactic to pit women as whores and men as well… manly. so ofc they’d ask the MAN if he took her virginity. it’s to shame the woman.
@alligatorsky77 idk what research you did but as a huge britney fan it was her choice to wear something or not wear something until her conservatorship days. u can find several videos of her where she says when it comes to her dressing up for videos, performances, award shows, events etc. it is her choosing what she reveals or not. she was very in charge. the management and label was sometimes controlling when it came to how she was representing herself with interviews and everything but that lasted only 3-4 years until 2003.
Louder for the crowd. ✨👏
Exactly ~
Fun fact: Britney's baby voice is something her manager pushed her to do so she could further lean in to that youthful, innocent persona. She actually has a really powerful voice but was never allowed to use it
I don't know if this is a good example, but a lot of these stories seem to be somewhat similar to Lil Nas X right now. When he released Old Town Road, a lot of people thought he was for the kids, then Montero came out and now everyone's gone insane.
Sure.
difference is how modern day blacklash is like lil nas x career isn’t actually suffering from it. he’s an amazing troll and trolls the ever living shit out of the blacklash that it’s just giving him more attention which is a insane smart move
Your song is so lovely Madisyn. It really feels like a 90s girl group R&B love ballad. Very nostalgic and beautiful. It’s obvious you had a very strong clear idea of what you wanted it to sound like. It doesn’t feel directionless at all like a lot of new artists’ music does sometimes. Sounds like you’ve been making music for years. Keep it up. You’re doing great sweetie 📸
thank you so much for saying that
I thought the same! I'll always adore 90s R&B, your song felt nostalgic of that genre, and your vocals are like honeyyyyy, Summer Walker, Ari Lennox level, just beautiful!
You said this so elegantly I love this comment
Parents need to be roll models for their kid, not celebrities. Theses parents put responsibility on these famous people on how to act and look and think when the PARENT needs to be the ones teaching their kids how to be better human beings. If they don’t like what a celebrity does then they need to prevent the kid from watching and listening to the stuff.
@@Bakesterbaker when I was growing up in the early 90s, I lived in a small town in Montana. A group of parents got together and petitioned the cable company to remove MTV and VH1 from our town, and they were successful. Much easier than talking to your own kids and monitoring what they watch, right? My parents were pretty strict, but even they realized that was a dumb overreach.
I haven't really drove super deep into rhianna's OLDER music, but i would be curious to see just how well she fits this trope. she literally had an album called "good girl gone bad" and has been seen as a bit of a "bad girl". again i don't know a whole lot about younger rhianna but i think its interesting how she named an album after this "good girl to bad girl" idea.
Rihanna for sure had a “good girl gone bad” phase with ‘Good Girl Gone Bad’ and ‘Rated R’ albums💯
And it's kinda weird that still nowadays women have to perform this type of personal to be taken as "adults" or taken seriously
We don't, idk why that's your take away from this topic
Miley released the Can't Be Tamed era before the Bangerz era. And it was controversial. Even when she was filming Hannah Montana 2nd-3rd season and it was horrible for her because she was -18 and somebody tanked her private photos and Disney told her that she had to apologize, like WHAT? I remember hearing parents in school talking shit about her for those photos but no one talking about the person who tanked them. It was so hard for me being always bullied just for support her, i can't even imagine how hard it was for her. I just think she deserves a big apologize from everybody and respect. She is so talented and people always talk more about the controversial things instead her impact in the music industry
Britney Spears did the "good girl to bad girl" transition perfectly. She transitioned gracefully so the fans wouldn't be so overwhelmed and shocked.
People let Justin Timberlake off way too easily. He had a hand in trashing so many talented women
He definitely did not. Name them...
@@w.hendrixx he didn’t get any flak for nipple gate. All the criticism fell to Janet
@@BeccasaurousRex270 so are u blaming him for the exposure of her nipple?
@@w.hendrixx I mean, from the top of my head Janet Jackson, Britney Spears and Kylie Minogues. But he clearly doesn't have any remorse, especially for Britney. He does shit, gets away with it, blames the woman and then kicks them while they are down. Imagine talking about someone's virginity and giving explicit details about the sex life with your ex, while talking as if she was just a slut...Imagine ripping someone's top, exposing their chest and then just leaving them with the backlash (that btw pretty much ended her caree) and getting away with it without any damage.
He just sees woman es sex objects
Yep. You're right.
I was hoping you'd talk about Chloe Bailey in this video because it seems like she's at the beginning of this kind of journey. I think she's really talented and I've loved Chloe x Halle's music for a while so this shift in her public image felt really sudden and jarring to me. No matter how many performances of hers I see, it still feels forced. Anyway, it's obvious that she's still finding herself so I'm curious to see how her career and image progress. Same with Halle. If you ever do a part 2 to this video, I'd love to hear your thoughts.
i’ve seen a couple others commenting something similar… perhaps i’ll make a part two covering Chloe bailey and her solo career so far 🤔
Out of curiosity, and this isn't to be rude, have you seen any of Chloe or Halle's performances before she released Have Mercy? To me, as someone who's been following their career since 2018, I personally can't say that her performance style has changed that drastically except that this is the most sexually explicit song we've heard from her, so it just seems like she's emulating that in her performances.
I agree. I do believe Chloe is talented but these performances lately haven’t been translating well. Shaking on the floor is not sexy….
This shit is just ridiculous, why do you assume that she is trying to be sexy at all times. Sometimes she is and sometimes she is just going off. Like she is literally possessed by the music. She has literally been itching to get out you can see it in her performances with her sister and now she's just doing everything that she can do cos she doesn't have to match energy anymore. She is just expressing herself how she likes, stop assuming that she is looking for your validation.
@@nendu4316 she made a song about ass…lol. She’s obviously trying to show a more grown side of herself which is fine, but she needs to tighten up the performances because they’ve been all over the place. Critique isn’t hating and you should as an artist listen to the people who listen to your music, so you GROW and get better.
not that this is bad, but I did notice you often used the terms womanhood and sexuality interchangeably.
it does make me wonder what even constitutes womanhood or "growing up" for a girl other than becoming a sexual being. the only other major thing is perhaps when a woman becomes a mother?
I just find it interesting how manhood seems to comprise of so many things (becoming stronger, more responsible, wiser, a better leader, more successful) in the public eye but womanhood is seen as basically just female reproduction.
idk just food for thought
You put it into words perfectly and flawlessly.
Why did I see this in my dream months back?😭 Everything the EXACT same thing.
Agree with you so much.
THIS
how do you pin a comment on someone else's video
lots to take from this video, but the thing that stuck out most to me is how entitled so many people feel to these women and girls since most of them entered the industry when they were underage... I can't imagine what that does to your sense of self, your ability to set boundaries (and feel that they will be respected) and your conception of healthy relationships that will follow you the rest of your life, like the stuff that's come out about how brittany has been mistreated is horrifying and I can't help but think of how many people all but agreed to do that to her in the industry for profit
When I watched the new netflix show about Britney, there's a scene there where she's being told that she's going to hold and dance with a snake and she's like "what? Lol omg" and I notice that everyone around her are dudes... And, dont mistaken me there's nothing going on in that precise scene, but seeing her surrounded by dudes, and knowing how 99% of industries have men in charge, has me thinking how damaging and dangerous it must have been for her. How many took advantage of her in some way, how she might have been groomed and gaslighted by so many dudes with second intentions you know?
Does anyone else think Madisyn is like that cool aunt u talk to about stuff u can't talk about with ur parents ?
She is too young to be seen as an aunt more like a cool cousin
lmaaoo how olf are you ? she is young
@@rokhayas They probably called her an aunt because she’s black, not gonna lie. 💀
I can’t stand Justin Timberlake he ruined Britney Spears and Janet Jackson.
Yes he did😒…
Makes me ask the question: Who else did he ruin that we just don't know about or remember?
This makes wanna ask the question...how old are u? He did not ruin anyone. There's all sorts of things and stories that happened with the whole Justin Timberlake and Janet Jackson situation that no one really knows the full real story cause we weren't there. The same goes for Britney and Justin relationship. Stop speaking and assuming on things u have no idea of...
@@w.hendrixx Janet literally got blocked from MTV, most radio stations, and got limited promotion for her albums after the SuperBowl, all, because part of her boob was on TV and Justin, was the one that pulled it off and didn't get any consequences of it. He even got his own Super Bowl soon afterward. So yeah Justin is an asshole.
@@kableplaskey4165 Yes he pulled it off but did u know there was also a story that Janet set the whole thing up as a wardrobe malfunction to get a publicity stunt? There is all sides to blame. There's many sides to a story. The same goes to the Britney and Justin situation. U WERE NOT THERE. Stop blaming him as if he was the only culprit of the situation and the mastermind of the situation. There was many involved. There are many speculations and many involved. I am a fan of all Janet Jackson, Justin Timberlake, and Britney. I hated that Janet suffered tremendously from that incident but I still questioned if she was involved with that performance. U have to ask questions to all that was involved. The same goes with Britney and Justin's relationship.
I will always think it's crazy that adults expect other adults that they don't even know to be "wholesome" role models for their kids. Thank you for this video it was so great.
Idk if someone’s mentioned this already, but Dove Cameron 100% had this sort of transition too from her Disney Channel days to her current era. It’s pretty interesting tbh. Great video!
im obsessed w madiysn- she's like an older sister and HER VOICE. DAYUM. soothing asf
I am LOVING your videos on music , please keep doing them
of course
I agree that Madonna was one of the first people that did the good girl gone bad act like you said but I think Janet Jackson should be mentioned too. I feel like her album, Control, was what ultimately popularized it. So much so that when anyone in this day and age does it, they say it's because of her and she was also a beloved child star who broke away from her cute image. Good video!
Period!!!!
Exactly!
Ariana when she did love me harder. oh boi the internet was not happy. that was a bang!
Then she dropped Dangerous Woman with Nicki
Nicki wasn’t on dangerous woman
@@elmstreet2036 Side To Side, you know what I meant lol the album title!
@@vo8183 ooh thought u meant the song, my bad
i just found out you’re a taurus and that makes so much sense, your voice is so soothing and lovely to listen to. never stop using your voice
“She’s a bad role model”, they never asked to be role model, they never said their content was for kids an ITS NOT THEIR JOB TO RAISE YOUR KIDS
Britney actually got a pretty similar voice to Christina but she was forced into this babydoll voice by her label. It was really bad for her hence why she can’t rly sing live anymore
I literally have such a vivid memory of the news being on and it covered sexuality exposure with kids in media and music and tv and the Miley Cyrus Can’t be Tamed video had just dropped and it played a clip on the news and my dad said well “she can’t listen to her music anymore” and I remember being so pissed and I slammed my bedroom door because I couldn’t iterate that she was doing this purposely to cleave herself apart from her childhood career and change her music style and I wanted to support and take part in it at 11 years old lol
i agree so much, men and media just find EVERYTHING sexual
You do
@@DezuFuck wait i?
It used to be iconic but now it’s kinda predictable like all the descendents girlies like Dove Cameron or Sofia Carson who are doing more mature songs now are not talked about at all. This twist is not original any more.
Also bc there both grown in their mid/late 20s although yeah I get you it’s not original now and pop culture is boring now
I'm damn near 30, and I had all of Britney's albums growing up. I was more infatuated with her outfits than her becoming more sexy lol... I was obsessed her with diamond catsuit in "Toxic", should I have been watching the video? Maybe not lol..but when it came to her speaking points, she was always positive and inspiring. These celebs today are like "F them kids". The public pushes artists to move in that risque direction, then pulls them down once they finally do.
as someone who grew up in the miley era, i fell into the whole "omg miley went crazy, what's wrong with her" mentality that was copied by the adults around me. but now that I'm older, honestly good for her. the appropriation issue is another topic (along with billie) that is shitty, but when it comes to them expressing their sexuality and body and womanhood, good for them. that's such a good role model to have as a young adult to just be your authentic self and love yourself for who you are. and let me say that Miley may have hit the bong more than a few times, but she is doing well. bitch is still coming out with bangers that sell like firecrackers and she is still iconic and her brand is doing well. no huge scandals beyond her just growing up and no shitty things that she gets cancelled over or that ruin other people's life. she's just wearing funky bikinis and glitter and singing on stage. let the woman be.
Your impression of Justin had me CREASING he SCREAMS that energy - and boy oh boy do I know guys like that 😂😂
Looking back, it’s so incredibly disgusting for adults to be asking a teenager, a child if they were a child. Smh
Other celebrities were marketed the same as well but not as hard as Britney and Jessica Simpson. So disgusting
Children should not be expected to talk about their “sex lives” disgusting
i don’t understand why everything for a female musician to be taken seriously as a grown woman to be so sexual and real down dirty dirty like idk why society sees that lol
I feel iffy about this one. I think there's 2 different pipelines - there's adult women expressing themselves, and part of that self expression being their sexuality or femininity. And then there's the "child star/minor-jurt-turned-adult starts getting naked and sexualizing themselves to an objectively unhealthy degree". Like, I personally don't think Miley Cyrus' wrecking ball was self expression any more than it was crying out for agency, which is to be expected from child stars that spend their developing years being suppressed by the circumstances of their career at utterly inappropriate ages, but no less sad. I think the distinction needs to be made because one should be encouraged and supported as a normal growing process, and the other should be prevented because it's damaging to the women's mental health in the long run. But that starts with stopping this whole '8 year old girl works for Disney 10 hours a day until they're 21' shit.
yes to this - swinging from one behavioral extreme to the other just because she's suddenly an adult isn't always something to be celebrated.
extremes at either end of the spectrum generally aren't healthy places to be for the majority of people.
The fact that all the girls you talked about are Sagittarius's 👀👀
You should make a video on the general public romanticizing abusive relationships, I always thought it was one of the weirdest things.
Madisyn, you’re everything! The way you comment on these issues, you’re so spot on and so entertaining. Thank you!
girl your song is FIRE, so addicting! needing an album ASAP (and great video as always queen)
Hearing that British woman asking Britney about all the virginity questions….then slipping her own virginity question at the end??
That was truly disgusting.
I feel like Britney and Madonna are the only yts that didn’t take the typical urban, darker skin, let’s go super hip hop to get attention route. Miley, xtina, now Jesy from little mix 🙄 it’s so annoying
yeah the common tactic nowadays for white woman who wanna be “edgy” is to emulate black culture and characteristics….
@@MadisynBrown Yup.
And Taylor Swift hasn't done it to my knowledge. Thank God.
Madonna stole from a bunch of black artists though. And used R&B music to gain money.....💀
@@tamari1127 I don’t even think she’s in the conversation. 😭
Cant wait for your next song, the first one was so good
I LOVE listening to your voice, it’s so nice and calming
Your hair is ethereallll, I LOVE!
coming back
to this after demi lovato announced their vibrator line.
note: now they used to fit in this pipeline before coming out as nonbinary so that’s why i’m bringing it up.
the thing is, this is still happening. it happened with jojo siwa(actually a lot of dance moms girls) and olivia rodrigo. "theyre growing up too fast" theyre adults now. the media is never happy
i just started the video but i think a strong pre-disney example would be janet who i think played a big part in the whole “good girl gone bad” transition for the pop girls
there’s also rihanna too
Madisyn you are literally my role model and thank you for always being you! Thank you for being a Queen and posting!!!!
Love ur pfp
@@ilovejessepinkman99 Thank you!
@Pr.incorporated Hello!
YESSS Madi congrats I love your song can't wait for next xx
she replies naww yay😇
It's really weird that guys have this attitude that every girl has to be appealing to them, you don't like "provocative girls" that's fine not every girl is. At any given time you have multiple types irl/media. Some are risqué, others are more reserved. If for example Arianna Grande got a face tat tomorrow it wouldn't suddenly signify the downfall of all women heck it wouldn't even represent a significant portion of the music industry but if you found her less attractive that would be fine just as long as you didn't obsess about it like the media did with Miley/Brittany.
You think? Like most reasons why women have to dress "modestly" is because of fucking men, its never about us just wanting to be its always, "its for men's attention", "men won't like you" its so annoying. And we are put into one box as if we represent the entire gender and HAVE to be a good example of what someone else might want.
@@tamari1127 Muslim women wear it for their religion, pls be more intersectional!❤️
@@bmwjourdandunngoddess6024 I said most not all.
I hope u gain more popularity, I love your commentary
I love the way your channel is going.
This video seems like it's gonna be interesting
people being obsessed with knowing if Britney is virgin or not is insane
WE NEEDED THIS VIDEO
i love how your channel is just doing what you want to do. i LOVE your new content so much! so original and also i love the new song xx cant wait for the next one
That's why, Xtina's Stripped era is very influential.
Actually paused the video to listen to your song, congrats on the release, love it
Keep going 💛
Lots of love from Paris 🌞
I LIVE for these videos girl
honestly, this is my favorite channel.
first time i watched the dirrty mv, i was 11. and then she released beautiful!!!! stripped is still the best album imo. so many emotions. my favourite transformation ever! and i think stripped is the kind of album that comes close to janet's velvet rope, because it talks about real stuff in a real way. you can party and have fun but there is pain there too. life isn't just blue skies and rainbows. janet and xtina did THAT!
Your intro is adorable and gives me lofi beats vibes ❤️
Can't wait to hear your music omg
I have never seen u on my dash before and right when I open the video an angelic voice comes out and I had to pause bc WHOA.. what a voice
she was just wearing a cute outfit!!!!
I just want to say that I was born in 1996 and while I was growing up I never once considered any of the kids I saw on TV or in music to be a role model. I seriously don't get why parents were enforcing this idea that Britney had to be a role model to children. Kids can admire art without saying to themselves, "yeah that's going to be my personality for the rest of my life" like tf lol
the way I run to ur page whenever u upload
This video was so good!
Also the editing
8 year old me vibed with britney
i didn’t care about what my parents thought of her
i liked her for the music
also she honestly is a sweet person who is really nice
I'd also add that perhaps because Christina Aguilera is Latina, at best no one bothered to see her as a role model, and at worst, they expected what they perceive as hypersexuality from her.
YIKES, I never knew..... 😬