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That’s the thing, many groomers have their own kids, but they still think it’s fine because they are not doing all that to their own kids. HOWEVER, they still teach their children that some of the predatory behavior is okay, leading their own children to be pray upon other predators
Her mind doesnt work like a normal mind it's the Colleen show and basic instincts running in there 24/7. Kindness and consideration are impossible for people like her. This is who she is, she doesn't care about anything or anyone....even her kids.
A lot of ppl say "if this were a man" yet a lot of male celebs still have their platforms (James Charles etc). And yes, texting underage fans are so fkn weird when you're an adult.
Yes people really need to stop saying "if this was a man." We've gone way past the point where that matters now, people are very well aware that predatory people can come in all shapes and sizes.
N Galilea is a millennial who wrote about several time sP0PE Francis covered up abuse of minors. Her books are there to share the stories of victims that were silenced by Francis so the catholic church could avoid bad PR.
Me too. I'm officially revoking her millennial card. Her ukelele will be seized. She will no longer be permitted to wear breton stripes, prints featuring owls, foxes or mustaches, skater skirts, emo eyeliner, or skinny jeans. What horrible behaviour.
I can’t give Colleen a pass for this. She genuinely seems like she took pleasure from making children uncomfortable with themselves. And I can’t forgive anyone for sexually exposing children. There should be some real life repercussions for her actions ESPECIALLY since the people are still suffering from that trauma caused by her
yea it seems like her content was "boundary-pushing" in a way that stayed just below the radar of the parents/public (pretty privilege? I think so). She capitalized on that wink wink nudge nudge inside joke she had, with children, about s*x, for views and tour/book revenue. Really gross and cringe.
You hitting the "they didn't saaaaAaaay I couldn't siiiIiiing" so casually was beyond impressive. And lots of points to mull over, thank you for another banger video!!
Madisyn I’m so sorry that your “the idol” video was age restricted. It totally sucks. We all love you and your channel! Thank you for making our days better 🫶💕
I’m always wary of adult celebrities that really lean into parasocial relationships with minors. Why do you want to befriend children so bad? Having a healthy relationship with a child is one thing, but when that child idolizes you, I would imagine that what’s deems as “fair” and “appropriate” goes out the window. It gives “I can’t sustain any long lasting relationships with ppl my own age so I have to prey on children.” I also can’t think of anything good that comes out trying to befriend someone that literally worships you…the power imbalance is just too severe. These ppl are ill.
But I think that's quite dehumanizing to children and teenagers. Why are adults friends with other adults? Presumably, because they have good qualities: intelligence, humor, kindness, talents, values, interests, etc., which make interactions enjoyable. So saying that it is absurd for an older person to be friends with someone younger, you are implying that they lack all those qualities, and they are essentially unlikable and their opinions are stupid and so on. It's the same sort of view that makes parents not spend time with their children: "Why should I talk to them? Their thoughts are dumb, their interests are non-sense, so they should all just watch cartoons while I am at the bar, because they don't matter as people, but only matter to the extent that they manage to exhibit typical adult activities and speech."
@@GalaxiaTokyo not at all what I’m saying. Why would a CELEBRITY want to befriend a CHILD to this extent? Answer that. Adults usually don’t get this close to children without dangerous caveats which initially go unnoticed. There’s a difference between having a relationship with a child where there are patent boundaries: the child is aware of their role as a child, and the same thing said for the adult. Surely you can make out that it’s okay for an adult to speak to a child and sustain an appropriate relationship with one without it developing into predatory behavior. In fact, I think children should be encouraged to lean onto other adults in their lives who are not their parents. With this particular case, its very apparent that’s not what happened. Lines were blurred and people (minors at the time) suffered immensely. The intensity and severity of this case rests on the consequences of parasocial relationships, and you can’t convince me otherwise shawty.
@@GalaxiaTokyo not once did you acknowledge how this can develop into something predatory and exploitative, which is side of the argument I’m focused on. I never implied that children are basically imbeciles who are incapable of providing anything to a healthy relationship simply because they’re a child. Unfortunately, you misinterpreted my words (intentionally, I think)
What is their "role as a child"? It sounds to me as if you are saying that friendliness towards a teen should be restricted to basically, patronizing them; an adult coldly giving advice to a teen, and a teen being unable to be sincere or ascertive because they should know their place as fundamentally segregated from adults. It's kind of the same way we treat pets, with condescention, laighing at them rather than with them. You can even argue that this leads to likewise predatory scenarios, where children are taught to be individuals without agency and social worth, and adults are moved to know better than the child and tell them what to think.
I’m not giving her the “ she doesn’t understand what’s inappropriate” pass yes she does she is an adult she is a creep and shouldn’t be allowed on TH-cam anymore. She know what she was doing,she got away with it before she thought it would be blow over and it didn’t this time.
I don’t think that was Madisyn’s intention to say that it was a “pass” on Coleen for her behavior; I think moreso she was trying to explain that Coleen has this weird view of her fans, with her thinking that they were able to understand sexually charged content that were “jokes” made for adults, but if you look at her GC messages with her fans and the way she spoke to Adam, she talks to them as if they’re also 20 or 30 sometning adults who can relate to her as a 30 something adult instead of seeing them for who they are: kids who are in their own developmental stage and vulnerable to this kind of behavior that would leave a huge impression on them. The problem is that Coleen still sees these fans as just over exaggerating what she did, because she can’t fathom that kids are not supposed to be exposed to this stuff. Idk if Coleen herself was exposed to this type of behavior when she was young and maybe that’s why she sees it as acceptable, but the fact that she can’t step out of her box and even try to empathize with her victims and former fans is not okay, and her doubling down is what makes her response even worse.
N.GalileaWROTE books on how PopexFranc1s actually covered up abuse of several priests. Her books are fantastic THE GALILEA REPORT. Society just brushes his cover up under the rug - He has a strong PR Team. Children need to be safe from those only wanting good PR.
SHE’s NEARLY 40 YEARS OLD. 40. And doesn’t she have children too? Why does she lack the perspective to just imagine if someone did what she did to her children how she would feel and who she would be blaming as well? She’s either feigning ignorance or has a complete lack of emotional maturity 🤷🏻♀️
I think she believes it’s okay to do those horrible things to kids as long as they are not HER kids. I mean, she really has to apologise not only to her victims but to their parents as well. At least to Adam’s mom
Reminds me of when drake was texting milli bobbi brown when she was 13. It was so inappropriate!!!! And no one ever pressed him on it. The media just asked her (the child) if she felt okay with it, and when she said yes, they left it at that. Smh!!!
Growing up with this kind of content and being treated as uncool or too sensitive for being uncomfortable with it really sucked so I'm glad that annoying edgy humour is getting called out. I also really agree on the importance of second chances but accountability is super important. Also you have an amazing voice!
When I was a kid I struggled to understand why I didn't really wanna watch Miranda Sings. Turns out she reminded me of people in my life who violated boundaries with complete ignorance/lack of care. It was a constant thing of being inconsiderate in a way that wasn't funny but tasteless and made me freak out. It's a whole mindset
Yes! From the ages of 12-15ish I had so many people at school call me a prude/boring for not finding her funny at all. "It's ironic, it's fine!!" was thrown around a lot as a justification lmao.
Good for you! I was not a kid at this time but I definitely noticed some of the weird, sick comedy from these people. I'm also glad they are being called out. It was so inappropriate. I mainly blame the parents but YT also didn't have much regulation for kids at the time either.
Making people uncomfortable was the humour back then, right? It feels so strange nowadays. Not having boundaries was also considered cool back then. I work with this generation now and it shines through so often
14:40 highly disagree here unfortunately. Being accidentally manipulative is something we're all capable of. But this was over 15 years. Thumbnails, live show scenarios, private chats, exploiting underage kids for labor and setting them up as scapegoats...this was intentional, and shes only pulling the "I was just so socially awkward tee hee" to escape accountability like all abusers. hitting that "they didnt say I couldnt sing!" and showing everyone who the singer is here, GO MADISYN! imho the idea that she sang it so everyone who clipped it could be copyright claimed seems like what she was probably going for, along with a dose of "this is so absurd people will talk about ME instead of what I've done to so many CHILDREN" which thankfully nobodys bought into. SO many signs of narcissistic delusion...I'm so glad I listened to my gut all those years ago and never went close to her Miranda content, and figured out something was wrong when she and her ex split. HORRIFIED at how many people are speaking on what shes done to them, and we all know theres MANY more. She, like many abusers, hid in plain sight and relied on the people (children) she abused to shield her. She's right about one thing, we're all cheering for her downfall--abusers, especially of children, dont deserve leeway or sympathy for getting caught.
Nah, I don’t even like Colleen but I don’t think she had intentions to manipulate children. Still weird tho, and her recent video just shows she’s not sorry which is my big issue with all this.
I dunno, imo the thing that defines being manipulative is the intent behind it. If there’s no intent it’s usually just you being a shit person in other ways
@@battle-rite4350 Strongly disagree. Most manipulative people lack self-awareness/have convinced themselves they are not manipulative. Otherwise, examples like Colleen and Gabbie Hannah wouldn't exist. I mean, you can google unintentional manipulation and find a ton of psych based info on the topic. However, lack of intent doesn't excuse it. It just means there's an underlying issue that is causing them to be in denial about their actions. It's often a self-preservation thing despite how counterproductive that seems to someone with a healthy thought process.
miss ma'am tried to be a quirky manic pixie dream girl but ended up exposing her enormous ego. she coulda really ended all this with a sincere spology and acknowledging what she did was wrong, but instead she chose to go the "i am not a groomer, im a loser". like girl, all pedophiles in jail could say the same thing, infact they are both. smh
Can we also acknowledge Colleen’s body language and expressions during her video? Her body language screams hostility, but her expression is that of pity for HERSELF and no-one else. I’ve seen it on many people who are manipulative just like her, they victimise themselves and make everyone else the bad guys.
Can we all not do the whole body language pseudo science please? It makes no sense and it’s not relevant, you can’t tell who’s evil by just looking at them
@@Naathalia12 Body language is one of the biggest indicators on how a person is actually feeling and a lot of the times is what gets criminals locked up. How about you do some educating before replying, yes?
"Toxic gossip train Didn't do a thing to help her situation Toxic gossip train She bought a one-way ticket to the channel 4 news station Toxic gossip train Claimed she had the facts Put a sign up on her back Behaving with a lack Of all compassion and tact She made her whole career crash but hey... At least she's having fun?"
As a millennial, I agree that a lot of humor and things normalized when I was growing up are totally taboo and it is jarring and a learning curb. I appreciate you having the grace and empathy of I see that. That being said when I saw other commentary channels cover her stuff and I found it offensive and weird. Maybe I’ve grown or maybe it was never my humor but as a millennial that is younger than Colleen it’s weird that at almost 40 she still has this humor and didn’t grow out of it.
I'm a 35 yr old millennial and I think her sense of humor is awful, it seems like it only appeals to kids. (also not trying to be rude just an FYI....but it's "learning curve", not "curb"!)
I'm an older millennial and I've never heard of her until now. It was mostly Gen Z that watched her, apparently. Seeing her humor, it has nothing to do with how we grew up. Well, okay... you know what? Now that I think about it, she kind of reminds me of a female Pee Wee Herman. Oh my. How creepy is that.
@@mariejae Same. I'm not sure he was really meant to be liked. lol. I think there's this phenomenon where you can act so weird that people can't help but take notice. It makes you stand out and people can't help but watch, because they're uncomfortably fascinated by how F'ed up you're acting. It's kind of like watching a car crash with a bunch of clowns in it. It does get you attention for a while. I feel like both Pee Wee and Miranda Sings fell into this category.
I’m disheartened that there are so many of Colleens’ supporters who are holding teenagers to a higher standard than Colleen. A grown thirty something year old woman. As some one is also a thirty something year old woman I take a the responsibility on how I interact with children and young adults.
It’s even more sad to see tons of parents who still support her. I’ve seen so many comments like “ I’m a mom and I think that Colleen is a great human being, I love her and can’t wait for her comeback”. I mean… seriously? Would it be okay if your kids receive inappropriate messages from her or her brother? Would it be okay if she sends the underwear to your child? I just don’t understand in what world that’s okay to do
Edgy humor was the main theme in millennial yt and that doesn’t make it ok but I totally get why she doesn’t understand what’s wrong with her prior career path. The dumbest thing she did was victimize herself because SHE doesn’t believe she pushed boundaries.
It pisses me off that people like Colleen, Lily Singh, and Shane Dawson might not have initially intended to have such a young and impressionable audience, but it wouldn't have taken long for them to realise that most of their fans were young kids, and with that does come a fair bit of responsibility and mindfulness about healthy boundaries. They can't just play dumb and say they didn't target content to kids when that was clearly their audience.
I think this is a generational shift. Millennials are now the adults in the room and not all of them are okay with that. Some of them are mentally 17 still. It sucks being a grown up (i can def say that as a mil/genz cusper) but you have to use your big-girl brain and think about important things like protecting younger people. Some of these millennials in their 30s seriously do not bother to think about what is appropriate for kids because they themselves are still mentally very childish and its a PROBLEM.
Respectfully, I don't think this has to do with being millennials now being adults because creeps appear in every generation. the me too movement in Hollywood involved mostly boomers with some gen x in there, and James Charles is gen z. Millennials are just the first generation to latch onto TH-cam since it was created when most millennials were between middle school and college age, and I think that's why millennials seem like the source of most drama or gross behavior on TH-cam because they're over-represented on the platform.
@@artisseriechickenExactly! There are many predators in EVERY generational group! It's not just one over the other. Hell, many people who are millennials are admitting that they didn't even know who Miranda was until this damn song came out, lol. Some people are actually saying that she's the responsibility of millennials and I'm like, what?! She doesn't represent us, lol.
As a millenial, I was very uncomfortable with Shane's humor. It was disgusting. I was also really surprised he had younger fans and I was worried about them growing up too fast watching him. Please do not generalize a whole group based on a few people. Most mature people didn't even watch these people. I'm glad they're finally being called out. If anyone is to blame, it's the kids' parents and also TH-cam for not regulating these creators' content.
It really is. My boss is a millennial and the amount of hostile weird and childish behaviour I have to endure is mindboggling. I’m more than often the adult in the room who has to moderate the conversation back into productive ways.
This quote from The Great Gatsby reminds me of Colleen (and Shane et al.) "They were careless people, Tom and Daisy- they smashed up things and creatures and then retreated back into their money or their vast carelessness"
I've seen a lot of videos on this subject, and this was probably the most insightful. Watching this makes me feel like I have more closure having breaking up with a toxic friend.
Breaking up with a toxic friend is the worst. I only recently did, too, and have struggled to deal with "moving on." I was blaming myself first, then hating them and then hating myself. It's getting better now, and it's been a few months. Just know that after it all, "some mistakes get made, that's alright, that's okay," and even if breaking up is so painful, "in the end, it's better for (you)". A song that comforts me a lot is called "moral of the story," which i quoted, lol. Anyway, I hope you soon feel better about losing that toxic friend as I know how it feels. Honestly, it gets better. I hope you heal, and I really hope you love yourself and find better friends. ❤❤❤
Girl, dear, never ever ever apologise for the singing you have a talent and being a creative means incorporating all of your skills in your art. Some things work better than others. I haven't yet checked out your music per se, but I definitely enjoy the little singing interactions. ( especially when its mixed with satire - but its just me ) Nevertheless. YOU DO YOU
My biggest issue is the fact that she didn’t once say sorry. She literally just would rather us forget and move on. It’s giving “yeah I groomed kids but can we stop talking about it now”. Like she’s a joke
I disagree on your point that she did not have a malicious intent. It has been known by other creators and people in the industry that she is a mean girl and rude and just an all together horrible person who takes pleasure in putting other people down for YEARS. She’s just a VERY good actor and VERY manipulative.
I’m going to be honest, I get the impression that some TH-camrs who started as a teen and made it big (so they didn’t go through traditional struggles that matured them) still feel like a teen. Inside. Like, when they were teen TH-camrs their audience was their peers. But as they age, fans leave, and new younger fans join. New young fans who don’t think of them as “one of us” but as a successful, famous celebrity they look up to. And the youtubers don’t realize the dynamic has altered. They still feel they are closer to a teen then they are. And they still think their audience see them as “a friend” not a role model. And so they think it’s not that big a deal. They think they are relatable and funny. And I 💯 agree with this video about the content. If you look at the original content that made people like Colleen famous, it’s not aging well.
and people are still saying there are no victims and that this is just ONE person saying this when it goes a whole lot deeper. Her old videos, the things that people brushed past that are finally being put to light... its scary how when you're "famous" alot of things go unnoticed ....
Finally today is the day i give. A month of jamming to ur intro music im finally adding it to my apple music. You win. Its a smart non intrusive way to get ppl invested in ur music nice work i wish u luck.
She is a predator. This is absolutely gr00ming. I wouldn’t be surprised if she was abused when she was young and is now the abuser. I’m rlly concerned for her own kids.
I also have a hard time believing that this is because she had no idea what she was doing, she said adams parents would freak out if she sent the lingere she was aware. she just diesn't care about these kids. just the power she had over them.
N. Galilea documented when PopefFrancis covered up abuse of minors in THE GALILEA REPORT. We need to be mindful of children and how they are told to admire those in power when THOSE In POWER just want to silence them. Victims have been silenced and children cannot rely on adults to tell them that the popeIS NOT GOOD
I’m a millennial and didn’t even know who these people were until D’angello Wallace’s breakdowns and ‘dramagedeon’. Prior to 2016 I only got on TH-cam to watch vevo music videos lol
A lot of these conversations about millennial culture miss important intersectionality. It wasn’t Black millennials laughing at Shane Dawson or idubbz’s racism. In fact a lot of us just dealt with the effects of the normalization of this type of “humor” as a result. D’Angello Wallace even touched on this. This “humor” was never funny to the people who were hurt by the jokes. So many early TH-camrs had racism scandals. It certainly was not Black millennials buying Jeffree merch. It isn’t a millennial thing. We’re not looking at who this stuff was forgiven and normalized for. It’s the same across the board in society. There’s a commonality in all of these people who’ve been “cancelled” and given grace despite not being deserving of it
@@Minalia92 You get it. It was never funny for *us*. We are the ones who bore the brunt when calling that stuff out back then. The insidious excuses of "it was a different time, get over it" with no added nuance whatsoever doesnt cut it. It's not like everybody back then was stupid and didnt know what being a bigot entailed. Anybody downplaying that shit is either socially unintelligent at best, or an ignoramus asshole at worst
I'm 35 yrs old and even though I've watched YT since it's early days, I didn't even know about any of these controversial yt creators until the drama erupted around each of them (Jeffree, Shane Dawson, Ballinger). I don't even think I KNEW anyone who watched their videos. I think framing it as a millennial issue is inaccurate.
I definitely think each generation reaches a point in time where some of its humor is considered outdated & no longer acceptable. I’m an older millennial and I grew up with boomer comedy & pop culture, and I remember when it reached that point of “uhhh…is this actually offensive instead of funny?” Absolutely gen z will be getting called out for something by the next generation, it’s the circle of life lol
Their humor won't be called out because from what I see they don't actually do anything humorous, they just over-analyze everything to pieces. I think Zoomers seek out content that makes them feel self righteous instead of consuming content that makes them laugh
It's true that several years ago we said and did things that are horrible. What Colleen has done was not several years ago. We are talking about someone in her thirties who has children of her own asking children for pictures.
Wow Madisyn! You're actually truly talented. That little intro honestly got me feeling them "Dylan"- vibes! And you're absolutely right and glad you made such an important point. Peace ✌️
This is a really weird thing to comment on, but I love the quality of your audio. There's no echo and it's not super fucking loud like most TH-camrs. It makes watching the video a lot more enjoyable.
I agree I think us Gen z are taking things too far in the other direction to the point where we can’t really have much of any fun, and everybody’s gotta have a “take” or a “think piece” about a particular subject/person, but there are times where it serves its purpose and it’s necessary. This is one of them.
Gen Z ruined youtube. They don't understand any humor unless it's staged pranks that they think are real. Everything else is trauma, grooming, gaslighting, manipulation, etc. I'm not saying I agree with Colleen about everything did and I haven't watched her in a while but I can't help but feel that people are really overreacting.
@@layna8052 i just found out that i am gen z and you just offended me i am triggered.... reeeeeeeeeeeee i hope that joke made you happy btw prank vids are not interesting to me >:,( i only watch old comic book artist talking about the old days when they used to do drugs and crash cars and trick each other by hiring strippers to make their friends fell in love with the strippers that is the only comedy i watch on TH-cam.
Someone lock this woman up pls (Miranda). Her response video alone is incredibly incriminating bc it’s exactly how someone who is a gr0om3r would respond to such a situation - defensive and unapologetic for the harm they’ve caused.
I liked this video a lot! This topic has fascinated me a lot, oddly enough, so I've been watching a lot of different videos from TH-camrs I haven't seen before. Totally stunned by your sudden singing voice too, checked out your music and it sounds awesome! Very talented and I am looking forward to more videos and music :)
I don't undestrand why latelty, people with predatory behavior and grooming tendencies on the internet are not as highly regulated as other content creators. It's just bonkers. It has come to the point were people that only curse in their videos recieve way more santions that child predators, just unbelievable 😤 Anyway, I love that you addressed the situation with sarcasm but also delivering the real message you were trying to give. Truly graceful 👌
Parents need to be more involved. Most kids shouldn't have liberal access to the internet. There are parental controls but parents have to be more involved.
This is an extremely intelligent video. cohesive and articulated well, the evidence that i had not seen anywhere else yet and the lens you look at this situation through. you just earned a sub!!
Oh, whenever I came across the Coleen drama I did raise my eyebrow (always found the 'Miranda sings' skits very cringey and I couldn't watch more than 5 min of it without getting a splitting headache) but I think this entire drama isn't about being a millennial, it's about being a narcissist, which I think Coleen is one. And as we all know, narcissists love attention, love compliments and who can shower you with compliments and adoration more than children? Then of course there comes the part where she treats her underage fans as her personal therapists and overshares things that no child should even hear about... I guess Coleen never was taught what boundaries are and how to set them.
This is why I'm of the opinion that [g]rooming isn't always sexual, though in this case there are definitely sexual aspects: sending her lingere to underage fans, having sexually charged conversations them about virginity, masturbation, etc. Whether she acknowledges it or not these are right out of the predator's playbook. Deputising your young fans into free labor with the promise a future job and your personal admiration (whatever THAT is supposed to mean 😒) is messed up. Professional boundaries exist for a reason as as an adult, she knows that. Playing stupid isn't going to save her. Ignorance is not bliss.
As a millenial I agree about the era cures on youtube. TH-cam was really chaotic 10-15 years ago when it comes to the content that was made. There were content I miss that wouldn't be possible nowadays, but some content creators like her are better off without youtube.
OMG, I think that was the appeal to so many creators. They had more freedom but again, some of the popular content creators were real oddballs and inappropriate. At the time, I was really scared for young people. I'm glad a lot are getting called out now.
She's so dismissive. Talking about sexual acts, and personal experiences, sending nxudes of another adult, and asking kids for inappropriate photos isn't just being a "loser". It's predatory and creepy. She was in her thirties. Kory also sent pxrn to another group chat with underage fans which is disgusting. Along with her brother Trent who also sent inappropriate messages to underage fans.
her intent is to have power over these kids also adam posted an article from a writer of haters back off and it shows her true nature. how racist she still is and how she loves people being uncomfortable of her gross sexual humour like the creepy uncle stuff. and it said she could do that cause she had the power.
Cruel World Happy Mind made a great video on the ‘Miranda Sings’ woman! I agree with both of your videos on her. She needs to take accountability for what she has done and do better. She has enough money to take a break and rethink of what she has done. I do not know if legal chargers are going to happen, but she better be ready. There are a lot of evidence out there against her. As for Millennial TH-cam, I was not around during that time of TH-cam. I started to watch content creators consistently in 2020 when I started to create content myself. In a way, I’m happy that I started late on my TH-cam consumption. The wait saved my young self😅.
Swoop did a video on this and it definitely shows that she was alot more calculated than you give her credit for. I genuinely think she had bad intentions.
The second I saw the ukulele I thought of the “I don’t diddle kids” song that Frank sang on the beauty pageant episode of Always Sunny. It’s uncanny, it’s the exact same song
I dont believe the whole "mY tEam toLD Me nOt tO SaY AnYtHinG" bullshit. She was FAR to vauge and downplayed everything, it was a lawyer's statement with a god awful chorus! I think she said that for brownie points for her tween fans so they could try to use that to defend her "shes so bold and brace for speaking even when her team told her not to!" I dont think its too far fetch of a thought seeing how she manipulated these children for years
I get uncomfortable even watching TH-cam videos from kids under 25. I can't imagine engaging with them in any capacity, so this is especially unthinkable to me.
She’s clearly a narcissist, incapable of empathizing with other people because she’s so wrapped in herself and unable to truly see herself as the bad guy. It’s hard to take responsibility, but she refuses to acknowledge that she could actually screw up bad enough to be a bad person.
yeah, this is a bad take. she knew damn well what she was doing, if Shane Dawson can't get away with sexually harassing children with the "oh woe is me I didn't know any better!" she shouldn't be able to either.
personal i think she knew what she was doing. She had kids doing things and saying things like "send pics" when talking about there body. Like... And even for the time it was weird but the way she handled it is just salt to the cut.
This is the first video I’ve seen on Madisyn, but let me tell you… she is absolutely so intelligent, beautiful inside/out, talented (comedically, artistically, and musically), & concise/direct with her explanations and opinions. Wow. Will 1000000% be catching up on all her vids & subscribing rn!!!
There were very weird videos on TH-cam back in the day. I can remember uploading inappropriate material as a minor myself. I have to consistently monitor and tell my son who is 10 now to not watch any grown people on their screens. You will notice how many grown ass people have material targeted to kids and the whole thing is just gross and weird to me. Imo the age groups should be separated at this point hell or you have to be 21 to access certain parts of the internet or something because it’s ridiculous. Grown peoples can’t just let kids be kids. It’s creepy weird sad bummy scary pathetic ignorant all in one. Just stop please and get help. 🙏🏽
She needs a strong dose of self-awareness. BTW, I just found your channel today. You are interesting and insightful.... but perhaps you are too generous where Colleen is concerned.😊 You are probably a really kind person in real life. On second thought, don't change. The world needs nice people like you.
Honestly i think ur being baised cuz if this was a man who did this shit, asking children about their virginity, prompting kids to reach in his pants, spreading girls legs open on stage. Yall would call him a malicious pedo as u should. Her behaviour was 100%predatory and she isnt some mentally ill weirdo. She knew exactly what she was doing as a functional adult.
I agree with you because like another commentor said the victims in this case include boys and people still tend to treat male victims of abuse differently. Male victims of abuse by women are still mocked and mistreated and that's exactly what happened to Adam. He had evidence years earlier when he came out with what Colleen did to him and he was dragged through the mud by many people who told him he was faking it or being overdramatic.
Respectfully I think there is some nuance here. Colleen seemed to fall into this pubescent sphere of fans and leaned into it. Raunchy puberty humor that aged out years ago. That being said, I think she buys her own bullshit. I don’t think she is malicious in the sexual regard - just really delusional. Just my opinion!
@ripley2995 respectfully, ur opinion is biased trash. There is no nuance here, pedo behavior is pedo behavior. Again if she was a man yall wouldn't pulling this nuance shit, trying to excuses for him👀 let's just be real
@@ripley2995alf agree with you. I think she’s delusional AND malicious. Like an adult mentally stuck as a 15 year old mean girl. Bc she would act malicious, purposefully shaming others or passive aggressively commenting about KIDS being whores or body shaming ppl for fun, but also seems to literally be unable to tell that she’s wrong. Tbh it seems that Miranda sings isn’t completely a persona but probably more so a manifestation of coleen’s mental capacity which , again, is very very much controlled by delusional thinkint I’d still calll her a pedo at the end of the day. She clearly wants to know about kids underwear and their bodies and it’s more than humor.
This is a really interesting and neutral take, tbh. Using context is really important when looking at the past behaviours of people. Data regarding the "woman vs. man" reaction you actually be cool to look at, too, as an extension of your theory. Additionally, looking at how media of the time reacted to similar (even in the slightest bit) situations involving children and famous people would be interesting. There's also the reality that children were involved, though, and that is something that needs to be looked at with more scrutiny. The theory that she may have been/ may be unable to comprehend the severity of the damage is also interesting. I'm not too sure how people would be able to collect or even quantify that to analyze it. Data aside, as you stated "it's a reason not an excuse". A follow up video from you would be super cool to see, once more details come out. Her reactions and interactions with the people she has harmed would/ will be interesting.
Ooooooh and looking at the actions of these sorts of entertainers and the "dark humour" from the late 2000s through the 2010s as one of the sources for the current hyper-sexualization of kids??? Fascinating. Your view of the situation opens up so much more room for open investigation instead of treating this behaviour as a "open shut" case.
first time watching you and the moment you sang those few notes i immediately subscribed (also because a great video content wise) so clearly i am not bothered
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“I will be in prison” 😂
Hey black girl
Worst part is, Colleen is a mother. If someone else did with her kids what she did with other people's kids, i doubt she would be saying the same.
That’s the thing, many groomers have their own kids, but they still think it’s fine because they are not doing all that to their own kids. HOWEVER, they still teach their children that some of the predatory behavior is okay, leading their own children to be pray upon other predators
Singing the same thing
Her mind doesnt work like a normal mind it's the Colleen show and basic instincts running in there 24/7. Kindness and consideration are impossible for people like her. This is who she is, she doesn't care about anything or anyone....even her kids.
@ville__ ok colleen💀
@@Andkshsnsjsbshthis comment killed me. I’m about to go check it out wish me luck ✌️
She looked incredibly sorry for herself for the entire video. It was just a huge pity party
I imagine her screaming to herself, "why me?? What on earth have I done to deserve this???" in her multi-million dollar mansion
The mournful looks when she pauses playing are so over-the-top
colleen is queen
She looks physically sick. Like she’s not doing well.
It's called being depressed and driven crazy some people suffer with it...
A lot of ppl say "if this were a man" yet a lot of male celebs still have their platforms (James Charles etc). And yes, texting underage fans are so fkn weird when you're an adult.
And Shane Dawson's fucked up stuff!
@@Billibab yes!!!
Literally
Yes people really need to stop saying "if this was a man." We've gone way past the point where that matters now, people are very well aware that predatory people can come in all shapes and sizes.
@@burni988 exactly!!! Like yes, it's terrible what she did 💀 but anyone CAN be a predator
As a 38 yr old elder millennial I would like to officially disavow Colleen and her despicable actions. We don’t claim her.
N Galilea is a millennial who wrote about several time sP0PE Francis covered up abuse of minors. Her books are there to share the stories of victims that were silenced by Francis so the catholic church could avoid bad PR.
As a younger Millennial, I absolutely agree.
Me too. I'm officially revoking her millennial card. Her ukelele will be seized. She will no longer be permitted to wear breton stripes, prints featuring owls, foxes or mustaches, skater skirts, emo eyeliner, or skinny jeans. What horrible behaviour.
no way millennials go up to 40🤯
As a millennial too, we don’t claim her!
I can’t give Colleen a pass for this. She genuinely seems like she took pleasure from making children uncomfortable with themselves. And I can’t forgive anyone for sexually exposing children. There should be some real life repercussions for her actions ESPECIALLY since the people are still suffering from that trauma caused by her
yea it seems like her content was "boundary-pushing" in a way that stayed just below the radar of the parents/public (pretty privilege? I think so). She capitalized on that wink wink nudge nudge inside joke she had, with children, about s*x, for views and tour/book revenue. Really gross and cringe.
You hitting the "they didn't saaaaAaaay I couldn't siiiIiiing" so casually was beyond impressive. And lots of points to mull over, thank you for another banger video!!
Madisyn I’m so sorry that your “the idol” video was age restricted. It totally sucks. We all love you and your channel! Thank you for making our days better 🫶💕
thank you 🥺
It wasn’t age restricted for me and I’m from India.
@@thecutteraliciamaybe it’s age restricted in the u.s.
At least it's still up and not blocked. I'm from Germany and it's not restricted for me at all.
Anything talking about that should be age restricted & anyone who thinks otherwise is really concerning & can’t even talk on this colleen situation
I’m always wary of adult celebrities that really lean into parasocial relationships with minors. Why do you want to befriend children so bad? Having a healthy relationship with a child is one thing, but when that child idolizes you, I would imagine that what’s deems as “fair” and “appropriate” goes out the window. It gives “I can’t sustain any long lasting relationships with ppl my own age so I have to prey on children.” I also can’t think of anything good that comes out trying to befriend someone that literally worships you…the power imbalance is just too severe. These ppl are ill.
It's because she her mental age is 16 and is a creep
But I think that's quite dehumanizing to children and teenagers. Why are adults friends with other adults? Presumably, because they have good qualities: intelligence, humor, kindness, talents, values, interests, etc., which make interactions enjoyable. So saying that it is absurd for an older person to be friends with someone younger, you are implying that they lack all those qualities, and they are essentially unlikable and their opinions are stupid and so on. It's the same sort of view that makes parents not spend time with their children: "Why should I talk to them? Their thoughts are dumb, their interests are non-sense, so they should all just watch cartoons while I am at the bar, because they don't matter as people, but only matter to the extent that they manage to exhibit typical adult activities and speech."
@@GalaxiaTokyo not at all what I’m saying. Why would a CELEBRITY want to befriend a CHILD to this extent? Answer that. Adults usually don’t get this close to children without dangerous caveats which initially go unnoticed. There’s a difference between having a relationship with a child where there are patent boundaries: the child is aware of their role as a child, and the same thing said for the adult. Surely you can make out that it’s okay for an adult to speak to a child and sustain an appropriate relationship with one without it developing into predatory behavior. In fact, I think children should be encouraged to lean onto other adults in their lives who are not their parents. With this particular case, its very apparent that’s not what happened. Lines were blurred and people (minors at the time) suffered immensely. The intensity and severity of this case rests on the consequences of parasocial relationships, and you can’t convince me otherwise shawty.
@@GalaxiaTokyo not once did you acknowledge how this can develop into something predatory and exploitative, which is side of the argument I’m focused on. I never implied that children are basically imbeciles who are incapable of providing anything to a healthy relationship simply because they’re a child. Unfortunately, you misinterpreted my words (intentionally, I think)
What is their "role as a child"? It sounds to me as if you are saying that friendliness towards a teen should be restricted to basically, patronizing them; an adult coldly giving advice to a teen, and a teen being unable to be sincere or ascertive because they should know their place as fundamentally segregated from adults. It's kind of the same way we treat pets, with condescention, laighing at them rather than with them. You can even argue that this leads to likewise predatory scenarios, where children are taught to be individuals without agency and social worth, and adults are moved to know better than the child and tell them what to think.
I’m not giving her the “ she doesn’t understand what’s inappropriate” pass yes she does she is an adult she is a creep and shouldn’t be allowed on TH-cam anymore. She know what she was doing,she got away with it before she thought it would be blow over and it didn’t this time.
that wasn’t meant to be a “pass”
I don’t think that was Madisyn’s intention to say that it was a “pass” on Coleen for her behavior; I think moreso she was trying to explain that Coleen has this weird view of her fans, with her thinking that they were able to understand sexually charged content that were “jokes” made for adults, but if you look at her GC messages with her fans and the way she spoke to Adam, she talks to them as if they’re also 20 or 30 sometning adults who can relate to her as a 30 something adult instead of seeing them for who they are: kids who are in their own developmental stage and vulnerable to this kind of behavior that would leave a huge impression on them. The problem is that Coleen still sees these fans as just over exaggerating what she did, because she can’t fathom that kids are not supposed to be exposed to this stuff. Idk if Coleen herself was exposed to this type of behavior when she was young and maybe that’s why she sees it as acceptable, but the fact that she can’t step out of her box and even try to empathize with her victims and former fans is not okay, and her doubling down is what makes her response even worse.
N.Galilea books are researched reports on how American media covered up that P0PE,FRANC!Swas covering up abuse and protecting groomers and predators.
N.GalileaWROTE books on how PopexFranc1s actually covered up abuse of several priests. Her books are fantastic THE GALILEA REPORT. Society just brushes his cover up under the rug - He has a strong PR Team. Children need to be safe from those only wanting good PR.
yeah she is in her 30s she knows what shes doing
Her and Shane are getting away with gross misconduct with minors and it’s disgusting
SHE’s NEARLY 40 YEARS OLD. 40.
And doesn’t she have children too? Why does she lack the perspective to just imagine if someone did what she did to her children how she would feel and who she would be blaming as well? She’s either feigning ignorance or has a complete lack of emotional maturity 🤷🏻♀️
Read about what PopepFrancis Covered up in THE GALILEA REPORT - lots of cover up for predator priests ...Ngalilea really detailed the crimes
Some parents pimp their own children 😢 not all parents are good parents and maybe she's one of the bad ones
I think she believes it’s okay to do those horrible things to kids as long as they are not HER kids. I mean, she really has to apologise not only to her victims but to their parents as well. At least to Adam’s mom
There is no emotion behind her eyes, she literally looks soulless, it's creepy
the narcissistic stare
frl i knew someone else would notice it
I definitely saw some creepy moments of suppressed rage
yeah and the skin on her face looks really weird, i don't know what it is about it
@@user-sk9vi2ql8bI think it's her makeup. It's a weird yellowish color that doesn't match the actual tone/color of her skin, so it looks off.
Reminds me of when drake was texting milli bobbi brown when she was 13. It was so inappropriate!!!! And no one ever pressed him on it. The media just asked her (the child) if she felt okay with it, and when she said yes, they left it at that.
Smh!!!
oh my god WHAT the fuck i never knew this
Oh yeah but everyone dickeats drake so not surprising you get called a hater for talking about how he steals from ppl
and she lived with her bf when she was still so young too! so messed up
Growing up with this kind of content and being treated as uncool or too sensitive for being uncomfortable with it really sucked so I'm glad that annoying edgy humour is getting called out. I also really agree on the importance of second chances but accountability is super important. Also you have an amazing voice!
When I was a kid I struggled to understand why I didn't really wanna watch Miranda Sings. Turns out she reminded me of people in my life who violated boundaries with complete ignorance/lack of care. It was a constant thing of being inconsiderate in a way that wasn't funny but tasteless and made me freak out. It's a whole mindset
Yes! From the ages of 12-15ish I had so many people at school call me a prude/boring for not finding her funny at all. "It's ironic, it's fine!!" was thrown around a lot as a justification lmao.
Good for you! I was not a kid at this time but I definitely noticed some of the weird, sick comedy from these people. I'm also glad they are being called out. It was so inappropriate. I mainly blame the parents but YT also didn't have much regulation for kids at the time either.
Making people uncomfortable was the humour back then, right? It feels so strange nowadays. Not having boundaries was also considered cool back then. I work with this generation now and it shines through so often
14:40 highly disagree here unfortunately. Being accidentally manipulative is something we're all capable of. But this was over 15 years. Thumbnails, live show scenarios, private chats, exploiting underage kids for labor and setting them up as scapegoats...this was intentional, and shes only pulling the "I was just so socially awkward tee hee" to escape accountability like all abusers.
hitting that "they didnt say I couldnt sing!" and showing everyone who the singer is here, GO MADISYN!
imho the idea that she sang it so everyone who clipped it could be copyright claimed seems like what she was probably going for, along with a dose of "this is so absurd people will talk about ME instead of what I've done to so many CHILDREN" which thankfully nobodys bought into. SO many signs of narcissistic delusion...I'm so glad I listened to my gut all those years ago and never went close to her Miranda content, and figured out something was wrong when she and her ex split. HORRIFIED at how many people are speaking on what shes done to them, and we all know theres MANY more. She, like many abusers, hid in plain sight and relied on the people (children) she abused to shield her. She's right about one thing, we're all cheering for her downfall--abusers, especially of children, dont deserve leeway or sympathy for getting caught.
thats what i was thinking too
Nah, I don’t even like Colleen but I don’t think she had intentions to manipulate children. Still weird tho, and her recent video just shows she’s not sorry which is my big issue with all this.
I dunno, imo the thing that defines being manipulative is the intent behind it. If there’s no intent it’s usually just you being a shit person in other ways
Exactly, she hid behind the innocent, quirky girl facade
@@battle-rite4350 Strongly disagree. Most manipulative people lack self-awareness/have convinced themselves they are not manipulative. Otherwise, examples like Colleen and Gabbie Hannah wouldn't exist. I mean, you can google unintentional manipulation and find a ton of psych based info on the topic. However, lack of intent doesn't excuse it. It just means there's an underlying issue that is causing them to be in denial about their actions. It's often a self-preservation thing despite how counterproductive that seems to someone with a healthy thought process.
miss ma'am tried to be a quirky manic pixie dream girl but ended up exposing her enormous ego. she coulda really ended all this with a sincere spology and acknowledging what she did was wrong, but instead she chose to go the "i am not a groomer, im a loser". like girl, all pedophiles in jail could say the same thing, infact they are both. smh
Can we also acknowledge Colleen’s body language and expressions during her video? Her body language screams hostility, but her expression is that of pity for HERSELF and no-one else. I’ve seen it on many people who are manipulative just like her, they victimise themselves and make everyone else the bad guys.
Right?! She's actually the conductor of the corrosive contempt train.
Can we all not do the whole body language pseudo science please? It makes no sense and it’s not relevant, you can’t tell who’s evil by just looking at them
Pls, stop with the body language BS
Yes the whole video was like I’m sorry I’m suffering and not I’m sorry for what I did and who I hurt
@@Naathalia12 Body language is one of the biggest indicators on how a person is actually feeling and a lot of the times is what gets criminals locked up. How about you do some educating before replying, yes?
"Toxic gossip train
Didn't do a thing to help her situation
Toxic gossip train
She bought a one-way ticket to the channel 4 news station
Toxic gossip train
Claimed she had the facts
Put a sign up on her back
Behaving with a lack
Of all compassion and tact
She made her whole career crash but hey...
At least she's having fun?"
LMAO 😭😭
love.
Perfect. Should become an anthem
Totally unrelated to the topic but can we talk about how she absolutely SERVED 8:52? Thanks for the great content
RIGHT IT CAUGHT ME OFF GAURD
"I don't think she's a pedo"
She send underwear to a teenager and joked about his parents' reaction??
Wait, Madisyn really said that?
As a millennial, I agree that a lot of humor and things normalized when I was growing up are totally taboo and it is jarring and a learning curb. I appreciate you having the grace and empathy of I see that.
That being said when I saw other commentary channels cover her stuff and I found it offensive and weird. Maybe I’ve grown or maybe it was never my humor but as a millennial that is younger than Colleen it’s weird that at almost 40 she still has this humor and didn’t grow out of it.
I think the other channels demonized other parts of millennial culture, instead of just focusing on the grooming
I'm a 35 yr old millennial and I think her sense of humor is awful, it seems like it only appeals to kids. (also not trying to be rude just an FYI....but it's "learning curve", not "curb"!)
I'm an older millennial and I've never heard of her until now. It was mostly Gen Z that watched her, apparently. Seeing her humor, it has nothing to do with how we grew up. Well, okay... you know what? Now that I think about it, she kind of reminds me of a female Pee Wee Herman. Oh my. How creepy is that.
@automnejoy5308 I never like Pee Wee. I think I was too young but also not drawn to it. I'm a mid millenial I guess.
@@mariejae Same. I'm not sure he was really meant to be liked. lol. I think there's this phenomenon where you can act so weird that people can't help but take notice. It makes you stand out and people can't help but watch, because they're uncomfortably fascinated by how F'ed up you're acting. It's kind of like watching a car crash with a bunch of clowns in it. It does get you attention for a while. I feel like both Pee Wee and Miranda Sings fell into this category.
She was intentionally manipulative and exploitive with Adam. She used him for child labor he was running her socials full time for free.
She and Shane Dawson really are peas in a pod 😭😭
*two pedos in a pod
and james but he’s not as bad as them lol
@@sm1purplmurderedme583idk about that
She could’ve sent him ANY other clothing item
@@NeonCherryBlossumlol
no natter what clothes she sent him
the message would've been gross
She's a creep...
A hat for example, that would have been nice and not offensive
I’m disheartened that there are so many of Colleens’ supporters who are holding teenagers to a higher standard than Colleen. A grown thirty something year old woman. As some one is also a thirty something year old woman I take a the responsibility on how I interact with children and young adults.
It’s even more sad to see tons of parents who still support her. I’ve seen so many comments like “ I’m a mom and I think that Colleen is a great human being, I love her and can’t wait for her comeback”. I mean… seriously? Would it be okay if your kids receive inappropriate messages from her or her brother? Would it be okay if she sends the underwear to your child? I just don’t understand in what world that’s okay to do
oh my gosh whistle tones?! your music is absolutely gorgeous ??
Edgy humor was the main theme in millennial yt and that doesn’t make it ok but I totally get why she doesn’t understand what’s wrong with her prior career path. The dumbest thing she did was victimize herself because SHE doesn’t believe she pushed boundaries.
It pisses me off that people like Colleen, Lily Singh, and Shane Dawson might not have initially intended to have such a young and impressionable audience, but it wouldn't have taken long for them to realise that most of their fans were young kids, and with that does come a fair bit of responsibility and mindfulness about healthy boundaries. They can't just play dumb and say they didn't target content to kids when that was clearly their audience.
What did lily Singh do I used to love her as a kid than fell off
@@violetjones5021 nothing bad, but she clearly has heaps of fans who are kids, even if she isn't deliberately making content for kids
@@oakleywyatt1717 yeah more than anything I just hear ppl saying she’s cringey which I agree with now 😂
Shes also pretty racist and hates men…idk why she just makes it 90% of what her jokes are based on.
@@myricnHow is she racist? (Genuinely asking)
🎸 Toxic gossip train 🎶 is stuck in my head 😭
me too unfortunately
Gotta give it to her it is catchy
I think this is a generational shift. Millennials are now the adults in the room and not all of them are okay with that.
Some of them are mentally 17 still. It sucks being a grown up (i can def say that as a mil/genz cusper) but you have to use your big-girl brain and think about important things like protecting younger people.
Some of these millennials in their 30s seriously do not bother to think about what is appropriate for kids because they themselves are still mentally very childish and its a PROBLEM.
Respectfully, I don't think this has to do with being millennials now being adults because creeps appear in every generation. the me too movement in Hollywood involved mostly boomers with some gen x in there, and James Charles is gen z.
Millennials are just the first generation to latch onto TH-cam since it was created when most millennials were between middle school and college age, and I think that's why millennials seem like the source of most drama or gross behavior on TH-cam because they're over-represented on the platform.
@@artisseriechicken I definitely see your point! Thanks for such a well-worded and respectful response:)
@@artisseriechickenExactly! There are many predators in EVERY generational group! It's not just one over the other. Hell, many people who are millennials are admitting that they didn't even know who Miranda was until this damn song came out, lol. Some people are actually saying that she's the responsibility of millennials and I'm like, what?! She doesn't represent us, lol.
As a millenial, I was very uncomfortable with Shane's humor. It was disgusting. I was also really surprised he had younger fans and I was worried about them growing up too fast watching him. Please do not generalize a whole group based on a few people. Most mature people didn't even watch these people. I'm glad they're finally being called out. If anyone is to blame, it's the kids' parents and also TH-cam for not regulating these creators' content.
It really is. My boss is a millennial and the amount of hostile weird and childish behaviour I have to endure is mindboggling. I’m more than often the adult in the room who has to moderate the conversation back into productive ways.
Colleen Ballinger really tried to sing her way out of taking accountability for her actions toward kids 😂
This quote from The Great Gatsby reminds me of Colleen (and Shane et al.)
"They were careless people, Tom and Daisy- they smashed up things and creatures and then retreated back into their money or their vast carelessness"
Just gotta say that you slayed the "THEY DIDNT SAY I COULDNT SIIIIING"🎙️😏💅😌 damn
I've seen a lot of videos on this subject, and this was probably the most insightful. Watching this makes me feel like I have more closure having breaking up with a toxic friend.
Breaking up with a toxic friend is the worst. I only recently did, too, and have struggled to deal with "moving on." I was blaming myself first, then hating them and then hating myself. It's getting better now, and it's been a few months. Just know that after it all, "some mistakes get made, that's alright, that's okay," and even if breaking up is so painful, "in the end, it's better for (you)". A song that comforts me a lot is called "moral of the story," which i quoted, lol. Anyway, I hope you soon feel better about losing that toxic friend as I know how it feels. Honestly, it gets better. I hope you heal, and I really hope you love yourself and find better friends. ❤❤❤
The way you said "well....they should've" with the head nod after talking about how her team should've told her not to sing...that got me good 😆
She also met most of these kids in real life, so it was far more than a toxic para social relationship. She should probably get offline for good
Girl, dear, never ever ever apologise for the singing you have a talent and being a creative means incorporating all of your skills in your art. Some things work better than others. I haven't yet checked out your music per se, but I definitely enjoy the little singing interactions.
( especially when its mixed with satire - but its just me ) Nevertheless. YOU DO YOU
My biggest issue is the fact that she didn’t once say sorry. She literally just would rather us forget and move on. It’s giving “yeah I groomed kids but can we stop talking about it now”. Like she’s a joke
I disagree on your point that she did not have a malicious intent. It has been known by other creators and people in the industry that she is a mean girl and rude and just an all together horrible person who takes pleasure in putting other people down for YEARS. She’s just a VERY good actor and VERY manipulative.
I’m going to be honest, I get the impression that some TH-camrs who started as a teen and made it big (so they didn’t go through traditional struggles that matured them) still feel like a teen. Inside.
Like, when they were teen TH-camrs their audience was their peers. But as they age, fans leave, and new younger fans join. New young fans who don’t think of them as “one of us” but as a successful, famous celebrity they look up to. And the youtubers don’t realize the dynamic has altered.
They still feel they are closer to a teen then they are. And they still think their audience see them as “a friend” not a role model. And so they think it’s not that big a deal. They think they are relatable and funny.
And I 💯 agree with this video about the content. If you look at the original content that made people like Colleen famous, it’s not aging well.
No but can we actually talk about this some more!?
I misread "curse" as a "course" so assumed it was a satire on how to be a TH-cam millennial.
@sarah2slayy I know right!
😂I would've clicked on that video ngl
and people are still saying there are no victims and that this is just ONE person saying this when it goes a whole lot deeper. Her old videos, the things that people brushed past that are finally being put to light... its scary how when you're "famous" alot of things go unnoticed ....
Finally today is the day i give. A month of jamming to ur intro music im finally adding it to my apple music. You win. Its a smart non intrusive way to get ppl invested in ur music nice work i wish u luck.
If a TH-camr has been on Joey’s TH-cam show “Escape the night” than it’s a solid 50/50 they’ll get cancelled in the near future.
She is a predator. This is absolutely gr00ming. I wouldn’t be surprised if she was abused when she was young and is now the abuser. I’m rlly concerned for her own kids.
I also have a hard time believing that this is because she had no idea what she was doing,
she said adams parents would freak out if she sent the lingere she was aware.
she just diesn't care about these kids.
just the power she had over them.
N. Galilea documented when PopefFrancis covered up abuse of minors in THE GALILEA REPORT. We need to be mindful of children and how they are told to admire those in power when THOSE In POWER just want to silence them. Victims have been silenced and children cannot rely on adults to tell them that the popeIS NOT GOOD
I’m a millennial and didn’t even know who these people were until D’angello Wallace’s breakdowns and ‘dramagedeon’. Prior to 2016 I only got on TH-cam to watch vevo music videos lol
A lot of these conversations about millennial culture miss important intersectionality. It wasn’t Black millennials laughing at Shane Dawson or idubbz’s racism. In fact a lot of us just dealt with the effects of the normalization of this type of “humor” as a result. D’Angello Wallace even touched on this. This “humor” was never funny to the people who were hurt by the jokes. So many early TH-camrs had racism scandals. It certainly was not Black millennials buying Jeffree merch. It isn’t a millennial thing. We’re not looking at who this stuff was forgiven and normalized for. It’s the same across the board in society. There’s a commonality in all of these people who’ve been “cancelled” and given grace despite not being deserving of it
@@Minalia92 you are spot on
@@Minalia92 You get it. It was never funny for *us*. We are the ones who bore the brunt when calling that stuff out back then. The insidious excuses of "it was a different time, get over it" with no added nuance whatsoever doesnt cut it. It's not like everybody back then was stupid and didnt know what being a bigot entailed. Anybody downplaying that shit is either socially unintelligent at best, or an ignoramus asshole at worst
I'm 35 yrs old and even though I've watched YT since it's early days, I didn't even know about any of these controversial yt creators until the drama erupted around each of them (Jeffree, Shane Dawson, Ballinger). I don't even think I KNEW anyone who watched their videos. I think framing it as a millennial issue is inaccurate.
@angela5175 we were too mature to watch them. It's not a millennial problem but a parental problem. TH-cam is also responsible.
I definitely think each generation reaches a point in time where some of its humor is considered outdated & no longer acceptable. I’m an older millennial and I grew up with boomer comedy & pop culture, and I remember when it reached that point of “uhhh…is this actually offensive instead of funny?” Absolutely gen z will be getting called out for something by the next generation, it’s the circle of life lol
Their humor won't be called out because from what I see they don't actually do anything humorous, they just over-analyze everything to pieces. I think Zoomers seek out content that makes them feel self righteous instead of consuming content that makes them laugh
As someone in the theatre community I just want to say we do not claim her
Oh my GOD the vocals caught me off guard
It's true that several years ago we said and did things that are horrible. What Colleen has done was not several years ago. We are talking about someone in her thirties who has children of her own asking children for pictures.
Wow Madisyn!
You're actually truly talented.
That little intro honestly got me feeling them "Dylan"- vibes!
And you're absolutely right and glad you made such an important point. Peace ✌️
This is a really weird thing to comment on, but I love the quality of your audio. There's no echo and it's not super fucking loud like most TH-camrs. It makes watching the video a lot more enjoyable.
I agree I think us Gen z are taking things too far in the other direction to the point where we can’t really have much of any fun, and everybody’s gotta have a “take” or a “think piece” about a particular subject/person, but there are times where it serves its purpose and it’s necessary. This is one of them.
what is the gen z ?
@@samankucher5117Gen-Z is generation-z (zoomers). That’s the years between 1997 - 2013. I hope this helps😭
Gen Z ruined youtube. They don't understand any humor unless it's staged pranks that they think are real. Everything else is trauma, grooming, gaslighting, manipulation, etc. I'm not saying I agree with Colleen about everything did and I haven't watched her in a while but I can't help but feel that people are really overreacting.
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oh no i am a gen z .... i thought i was older i am like 25 now .
btw thank you it helped.
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i just found out that i am gen z and you just offended me i am triggered.... reeeeeeeeeeeee
i hope that joke made you happy btw prank vids are not interesting to me >:,( i only watch old comic book artist talking about the old days when they used to do drugs and crash cars and trick each other by hiring strippers to make their friends fell in love with the strippers that is the only comedy i watch on TH-cam.
Does she not have adult friends? The way she’s going at it with her fans, especially minors, is extremely inappropriate.
Someone lock this woman up pls (Miranda). Her response video alone is incredibly incriminating bc it’s exactly how someone who is a gr0om3r would respond to such a situation - defensive and unapologetic for the harm they’ve caused.
I liked this video a lot! This topic has fascinated me a lot, oddly enough, so I've been watching a lot of different videos from TH-camrs I haven't seen before. Totally stunned by your sudden singing voice too, checked out your music and it sounds awesome! Very talented and I am looking forward to more videos and music :)
This reminds me of when sienna mae (i think thats her name idk) the tiktoker @ssulted someone and then did a dance on yt as an "applogy"
I don't undestrand why latelty, people with predatory behavior and grooming tendencies on the internet are not as highly regulated as other content creators. It's just bonkers.
It has come to the point were people that only curse in their videos recieve way more santions that child predators, just unbelievable 😤
Anyway, I love that you addressed the situation with sarcasm but also delivering the real message you were trying to give. Truly graceful 👌
Parents need to be more involved. Most kids shouldn't have liberal access to the internet. There are parental controls but parents have to be more involved.
This is an extremely intelligent video. cohesive and articulated well, the evidence that i had not seen anywhere else yet and the lens you look at this situation through. you just earned a sub!!
Oh, whenever I came across the Coleen drama I did raise my eyebrow (always found the 'Miranda sings' skits very cringey and I couldn't watch more than 5 min of it without getting a splitting headache) but I think this entire drama isn't about being a millennial, it's about being a narcissist, which I think Coleen is one. And as we all know, narcissists love attention, love compliments and who can shower you with compliments and adoration more than children?
Then of course there comes the part where she treats her underage fans as her personal therapists and overshares things that no child should even hear about... I guess Coleen never was taught what boundaries are and how to set them.
Yes, they love attention and money.
This is why I'm of the opinion that [g]rooming isn't always sexual, though in this case there are definitely sexual aspects: sending her lingere to underage fans, having sexually charged conversations them about virginity, masturbation, etc. Whether she acknowledges it or not these are right out of the predator's playbook. Deputising your young fans into free labor with the promise a future job and your personal admiration (whatever THAT is supposed to mean 😒) is messed up. Professional boundaries exist for a reason as as an adult, she knows that. Playing stupid isn't going to save her. Ignorance is not bliss.
"on a damn ukulele of all things" had me screaming
As a millenial I agree about the era cures on youtube. TH-cam was really chaotic 10-15 years ago when it comes to the content that was made. There were content I miss that wouldn't be possible nowadays, but some content creators like her are better off without youtube.
OMG, I think that was the appeal to so many creators. They had more freedom but again, some of the popular content creators were real oddballs and inappropriate. At the time, I was really scared for young people. I'm glad a lot are getting called out now.
She's so dismissive. Talking about sexual acts, and personal experiences, sending nxudes of another adult, and asking kids for inappropriate photos isn't just being a "loser". It's predatory and creepy. She was in her thirties. Kory also sent pxrn to another group chat with underage fans which is disgusting. Along with her brother Trent who also sent inappropriate messages to underage fans.
her intent is to have power over these kids also adam posted an article from a writer of haters back off and it shows her true nature. how racist she still is and how she loves people being uncomfortable of her gross sexual humour like the creepy uncle stuff. and it said she could do that cause she had the power.
Cruel World Happy Mind made a great video on the ‘Miranda Sings’ woman! I agree with both of your videos on her. She needs to take accountability for what she has done and do better. She has enough money to take a break and rethink of what she has done. I do not know if legal chargers are going to happen, but she better be ready. There are a lot of evidence out there against her.
As for Millennial TH-cam, I was not around during that time of TH-cam. I started to watch content creators consistently in 2020 when I started to create content myself. In a way, I’m happy that I started late on my TH-cam consumption. The wait saved my young self😅.
THE WAY SHE JUST PULLED OUT THE ARIANA GRANDE REFERENCE SO FLAWLESSLY
Swoop did a video on this and it definitely shows that she was alot more calculated than you give her credit for. I genuinely think she had bad intentions.
Yeah this video is one of the worst takes I’ve seen.
The second I saw the ukulele I thought of the “I don’t diddle kids” song that Frank sang on the beauty pageant episode of Always Sunny. It’s uncanny, it’s the exact same song
I dont believe the whole "mY tEam toLD Me nOt tO SaY AnYtHinG" bullshit. She was FAR to vauge and downplayed everything, it was a lawyer's statement with a god awful chorus! I think she said that for brownie points for her tween fans so they could try to use that to defend her "shes so bold and brace for speaking even when her team told her not to!" I dont think its too far fetch of a thought seeing how she manipulated these children for years
the fact that all the videos ive seen about this reference the "they didn't say i couldn't siiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiing" clip
Please don't give an excuse for what an ADULT knew what they were doing.
7:27 “This creativity could be channelled in other ways” PLEASE 😭😭
THE WAY I SCREAMED AT THE TITLE-
I legitimately thought your "they didn't SAYYY I couldn't SIING" was Ariana for a second!!
As a 32 millenial, my heart so hurts. This is unacceptable and innapropriate, fullstop.
As a ukulelist: we don't claim her
I get uncomfortable even watching TH-cam videos from kids under 25. I can't imagine engaging with them in any capacity, so this is especially unthinkable to me.
you are probably the realest person on social media ever
She’s clearly a narcissist, incapable of empathizing with other people because she’s so wrapped in herself and unable to truly see herself as the bad guy. It’s hard to take responsibility, but she refuses to acknowledge that she could actually screw up bad enough to be a bad person.
Very true! You took the words right out my mouth.
yeah, this is a bad take. she knew damn well what she was doing, if Shane Dawson can't get away with sexually harassing children with the "oh woe is me I didn't know any better!" she shouldn't be able to either.
Shane got away with it tho
@@PatRick-sm5fe legally maybe, but the general internet considers him a creep (as they should)
personal i think she knew what she was doing. She had kids doing things and saying things like "send pics" when talking about there body. Like... And even for the time it was weird but the way she handled it is just salt to the cut.
This is the first video I’ve seen on Madisyn, but let me tell you… she is absolutely so intelligent, beautiful inside/out, talented (comedically, artistically, and musically), & concise/direct with her explanations and opinions. Wow. Will 1000000% be catching up on all her vids & subscribing rn!!!
This is the most thorough and well thought out take i’ve seen on this. instant subscribe
There were very weird videos on TH-cam back in the day. I can remember uploading inappropriate material as a minor myself. I have to consistently monitor and tell my son who is 10 now to not watch any grown people on their screens. You will notice how many grown ass people have material targeted to kids and the whole thing is just gross and weird to me. Imo the age groups should be separated at this point hell or you have to be 21 to access certain parts of the internet or something because it’s ridiculous. Grown peoples can’t just let kids be kids. It’s creepy weird sad bummy scary pathetic ignorant all in one. Just stop please and get help. 🙏🏽
ok you slayed singing that "they didn't say I couldn't sing" line tho
She needs a strong dose of self-awareness.
BTW, I just found your channel today. You are interesting and insightful.... but perhaps you are too generous where Colleen is concerned.😊 You are probably a really kind person in real life. On second thought, don't change. The world needs nice people like you.
Can i just talk about how slay that SHE DIDNY SAY I COULDNT SING was!!!
unrelated to the vid but i saw that cover art for "i killed my clone" and had to find it immediately. killer art and music
wait also ur casual amazing vocals???? colleen could never
You’re the best TH-camr on this app. Love ya ❤🇧🇷
toxic gossip train (10 minute version) (colleen's version) (avoiding allegations version)
Honestly i think ur being baised cuz if this was a man who did this shit, asking children about their virginity, prompting kids to reach in his pants, spreading girls legs open on stage. Yall would call him a malicious pedo as u should. Her behaviour was 100%predatory and she isnt some mentally ill weirdo. She knew exactly what she was doing as a functional adult.
I agree with you because like another commentor said the victims in this case include boys and people still tend to treat male victims of abuse differently. Male victims of abuse by women are still mocked and mistreated and that's exactly what happened to Adam. He had evidence years earlier when he came out with what Colleen did to him and he was dragged through the mud by many people who told him he was faking it or being overdramatic.
Exactly! And mental illness isn’t an excuse anyways. EVER.
Respectfully I think there is some nuance here. Colleen seemed to fall into this pubescent sphere of fans and leaned into it. Raunchy puberty humor that aged out years ago.
That being said, I think she buys her own bullshit. I don’t think she is malicious in the sexual regard - just really delusional. Just my opinion!
@ripley2995 respectfully, ur opinion is biased trash. There is no nuance here, pedo behavior is pedo behavior. Again if she was a man yall wouldn't pulling this nuance shit, trying to excuses for him👀 let's just be real
@@ripley2995alf agree with you. I think she’s delusional AND malicious. Like an adult mentally stuck as a 15 year old mean girl. Bc she would act malicious, purposefully shaming others or passive aggressively commenting about KIDS being whores or body shaming ppl for fun, but also seems to literally be unable to tell that she’s wrong. Tbh it seems that Miranda sings isn’t completely a persona but probably more so a manifestation of coleen’s mental capacity which , again, is very very much controlled by delusional thinkint
I’d still calll her a pedo at the end of the day. She clearly wants to know about kids underwear and their bodies and it’s more than humor.
You said it so perfectly. “They just took things too far & they were rewarded for it” yuppp.
This is a really interesting and neutral take, tbh. Using context is really important when looking at the past behaviours of people. Data regarding the "woman vs. man" reaction you actually be cool to look at, too, as an extension of your theory. Additionally, looking at how media of the time reacted to similar (even in the slightest bit) situations involving children and famous people would be interesting.
There's also the reality that children were involved, though, and that is something that needs to be looked at with more scrutiny. The theory that she may have been/ may be unable to comprehend the severity of the damage is also interesting. I'm not too sure how people would be able to collect or even quantify that to analyze it. Data aside, as you stated "it's a reason not an excuse".
A follow up video from you would be super cool to see, once more details come out. Her reactions and interactions with the people she has harmed would/ will be interesting.
Ooooooh and looking at the actions of these sorts of entertainers and the "dark humour" from the late 2000s through the 2010s as one of the sources for the current hyper-sexualization of kids??? Fascinating. Your view of the situation opens up so much more room for open investigation instead of treating this behaviour as a "open shut" case.
8:52 that rendition of ariana's line in victorious was so angelic omg
first time watching you and the moment you sang those few notes i immediately subscribed (also because a great video content wise) so clearly i am not bothered
that miranda impression was too good 😭