explaining the gen z maximalism trend
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i hate the constant rotation of aesthetics we're going through right now. but the flipside to that, is that with so many style options available, it feels like nothing is truly "out of style"! like i don't see as many people getting made fun of for what they wear because everything is in fashion at the same time somehow
Tbh the constant rotation of aesthetics is bound to happen to because obviously not everybody is going to like the same thing.
that’s true, but also looking at the way people made fun of every single 2020 trend ( the alt, pink demonias and ripped stockings ppl, the tennis skirts and brandy melville girls, the girls with leopard flared pants, baby tees and saturated filters i think they called it indie? ) + people mocking the clean girl aesthetic now… they always get mocked the year after.
The fact that people are so concerned about what others wear is really annoying and says alot about them
yeah! i also feel like a lot more people have gotten into fashion recently like people pay a lot more attention to what they're wearing and there's a pretty big community for it on tiktok so i think that could be why people are less judgemental
i think its because The Fashion Place has moved away from instagram and tiktok
and the very way that these sites function is so different its influencing the fashion there
instagram and its fashion strives for mass appeal
tiktok on the other hand, fast content and a low barrier of entry
its cool how much stuff there is today, but *some* people just dont care and just want to look neat and/or in on the trends instead of going further into what they would actually want
all in all, the problem lies on the overcentralization of the internet, its hard to be niche or a sub/counterculture when the most you can have its either be on a small forum, have a carefully curated instagram/twitter/whatever, or settle for the middle ground and be on reddit and god fucking forbid and youre not in the anglosphere, or at least a developed
country
I kept waiting for you to mention how privilege ties into maxismalism. if you're young, skinny and white, you're way more likely to be seen as a stylish person leaning into experimental fashion than just, you know, unfashionable and weird
Omg yes. This literally contributed to my ed. I needed to lose weight to be a successfull artist..
Because as an artist (especially a female one) you're not only selling your art, you're selling your whole self.
I agree, but I feel like this privilege is an issue relevant within fashion in general and doesn't just apply to maximalism. this point can be brought up regarding any fashion style, subculture and/or aesthetic
tbh this applies to any style in the end. Goth? you better be pale and super skinny. prep? those clothes are made for skinny girls. it's like everyone just hates fat people ooof
@@vibewithprince2467 absolutely! but Mina does usually mention it, so I've come to expect it to be brought up (mostly for the benefit of casual viewers/non-subscribers)
this!!
I'm a 38 yo Mexican woman shaped like an hourglass, and it's so effing annoying that my whole life, I embraced color and texture (neons, glitter, sequins, tinsel...etc) but faced so much pushback and racism. My white boyfriends would tell me to wear a simple sundress and flats to meet their family. My "friends" laughed and insisted I dressed loud cause I wanted attention. Strangers called me ghetto/tacky/slutty. My sister-in-law called me "cha-cha" and tried to humiliate me b/c I was wearing glitter eyeliner. It pushed me to the point where I started dressing down and eventually losing touch with myself. It's taken a decade of trying to be someone else and coming back around to me to learn to accept me... but slap my same wardrobe on some skinny white girl, and it's an aesthetic....sure....
again, like mina said, i’m paraphrasing. it’s just an aesthetic to them, it’s not it’s own subculture. i hope you’re still wearing what you love 💕
I'd LOVE to see your style on you! Plus, your figure is to die for, wear what you want, they're just jealous because you look so good and they got no curves! You sparkle all you want! I'll applaud you! 👏🏻
Lady you have nearly 20 years on me but I felt your words deep in my soul. I'm a middle eastern second gen Imigrant in Europe and my wardrobe has always consisted of mismatched hand me down pieces, bright colours and loud patterns and textures. And I loved it. Why wouldn't I? I would have so much fun just layering my clothes and various accessories I owned and I would proudly tell anyone who starred to long whom I'd gotten them from and what I liked about them. I've always been made fun of, white girls would look down on me because they saw me and my clothes as dirty and poor. Getting and giving clothes within family and friends felt natural it was my favourite thing whenever we visited family I looked forward to gift my cousins my favourite dresses and have the older ones maybe gift me something too. But I started to feel ashamed and bad as the years went by. My brother struggled similarly. I stopped wearing the knitted and crocheted vests and hats my aunties would gift me. But now the same girls that made fun of me in 2016 are dressing just like I did. And while I'm glad I'm suddenly fashionable apareantly and can proudly wear my clothes now it just rubbs me the wrong way that it took the same white people who would of turned up their nose on my knitted vests and hand me downs back then to suddenly decide they can profit of of it too to make it happen. Like why is it clean and shique on some german blonde but dirty and poor on me!? Why is it "high fashion" when they do it but gaudy and ghetto when we do?
I feel you. Every time I would do something as simple as wear a red lipstick or more than 2 colors, I was told my lips were too big for color and that I dressed like a Haitian or Mexican. I always thought it was rude how people always ridiculed me for experimenting with and taking advantage of color theory in the early 2000s. Now color theory is a big deal and the more the better is ✨fashion✨. But nevertheless, I wasn’t an extremist like some of these new fashion lovers.
i promise you its better on u. im so sorry for this experience; the most beauty and excitement, the most innovation, creativity, joy - thats from u. for a lot of these thin white girls its just a fashion theyve seen on the internet, copied and pasted. you're the real deal and you're gorgeous
Hello Mina, I am a 50yr old woman. I was fashion model in the 90s and now a scholar, artist and teacher. I wanted to compliment you. It is so refreshing to see such a well researched, informative and entertaining video with a such an captivating and engaging host. Thank you for sharing your passion, I look forward to seeing more of your videos.
Recently I had a realization that gen Z style and current trends are all based on how good it looks on camera. Often these outfits are itchy, plastic, unwashable, over the top in terms of cut, colour and patterns…yet they are photogenic. Basically the clothes wear you, not vice versa. I also notice how more and more youtubers turn to fashionable clothing to “clickbait” others to watch essay videos
This is huge!!! I hate this that aren’t comfortable
I often wonder how many of these people actually wear an outfit all day, rather than just put it on to take some pictures and then get changed into something more wearable.
If you're saying Mina's video is clickbait, it's not, it's exactly what she says in the title. Just don't really understand your last line.
@@sstjohn96 I don't think they were talking about Mina, because she has a genuine interest in fashion/ history and that is what her videos are about. I think they were talking more so about youtubers like contrapoints and philosophy tube, who draw people in with very extravagant eyecatching outfits or sets, when the topic of their video essays is more social/political rather than having anything to do with fashion.
@@emerald764 gen z person who dresses weird and mostly goth/punk here and who DOESNT TAKE PICTURES! i put on all the shit every day! wear it every day! and take it all off at the end of the day! and i do it happily! yeah i do think there’s something to be said about how fashion is interacting with screen time but that’s not all it’s doing some of these ppl are genuinely finding ways they like to express themselves that are more valuable than comfort and not every cute outfit is uncomfortable especially when your used to standing out
It is fascinating to me how trends seem to chase "authenticity." Every trend has an edge where it starts to feel manufactured and overly polished. And when you hit that edge, we seem to swing in the other direction. Hipsters were originally seeking quality and originality until the image became that of a trite contrarian. Minimalists were seeking to stripe thing bake to the basics to find more meaning, until minimalism was boiled down to beige and bare. I have always been a bit too colorful, a bit too over the top, a bit too much for decorations to be a minimalists... but I don't doubt that maximalism will have it's time in the sun before it becomes manufactured and we swing back.
Looking back at what's been fashionable throughout the 20th and 21st centuries (so far), it does exactly that. The 60's was about bright colours and crazy new sillhouettes. Then the 70s rolled around bringing earth tones, softer hairstyles and fabrics. The 80's swung right back to neon colours and high-maintenance hair. The 90's had the minimalism trend, then the 2000s was inspired by the 60s and 80s. The late 2010s I feel were harking back to the earth tones and minimalism (the nude lipstick, dressed up basics) and now it's back to bright and flashy.
Important to mention, though, that alternative groups have always bucked the trend (punk, glam rockers, emo/scene kids, hip-hop and rap artists/listeners, mods/rockers), and fast fashion really blurs the lines.
well put! that's what i love about it all, too. the chase for authenticity gives us motivation to switch it up, just for fun!
I was thinking the same thing !
Ya it's almost like once the ideas of dress become labeled they can be packaged and manufactured so that it's no longer about the initial reasons to dress or style that way
So true. I want the focus to be that we busted out of old paradigms. I kinda lowkey hate when it's compared to fashion trends that came before. Still, it kinda does, says the girl who's loved vintage since she was, like, six.
Fast fashion is so terrifying because of the rate in which even the most “eclectic” and “unique” aesthetics become commodified into purchasable looks. Big brands start capitalizing on even the most “subversive” trends as fast as they can. Individuality is dying fr 😭
“Become commodified into purchasable looks” please don’t mind if i’m just restating your point, I’m trying to understand the whole part of this. Everyone seems to be sad over the loss of individuality due to fast fashion. Is that because of this sentence? It means that instead of finding individual clothing pieces that you like and creating your own outfit by yourself that expresses you, fast fashion creates premade pieces meant to fit an ideal? Instead of expressing yourself, the aesthetic does it for you? Sorry if this makes no sense or is pretentious. I want to make sure i don’t misinterpret the idea.
Individuality is not dying at all. There have always been people who are prone to following trends or putting themselves into boxes, and amongst the young especially they have always seemed to outnumber those who just do what they want without caring what others think.
Even those who 'subvert' the norms, a lot of them do so not because they simply like something different, but because they enjoy feeling different. That's why some people get annoyed when a style they wear gets popular - because it wasn't about them simply liking the style, it was largely about them liking something that was mostly seen as not the norm, and now that it is more of a norm, they feel like they have lost something. That 'something' is definitely not individuality though.
Individuality is knowing what you like and going for it and loving it regardless what anyone else thinks. Fashion and trends come and go, and those who don't feel the need to conform will have their own style, whatever it is, which will not come and go like fashions, they also won't need to change what they wear if what they liked becomes popular and they want to be seen as 'different' - because they would have their individuality and do not need to depend on others views in order to feel comfortable wearing whatever they like to wear.
That's what individuality is, and there will always be people like that. Some people just feel more of a need to 'fit in' than others do, socialising is a big part, and young people influence each other a lot, whether it's through good behavioir (wanting to dress like your friends) or bad (being bullied for what you wear).
Delusional
@@curious.maddie yes absolutely. think about all the different asthetics and “-cores” and how their meaning has changed over time. it used to be if you liked summery dresses and fruit earrings, that was just what you liked. sure, broader aesthetics like punk and goth still existed, but they were subcultures as well. subcultures have an ideology tied to them as well as a style of fashion. this made the subcultures feel more authentic because they represented both your style and your values. now, if you like a certain style of clothing, that’s now your new “aesthetic” and you’re expected to like and buy all the clothing within it. it doesn’t mean anything, all it is is an excuse to get more money out of you.
@@wren_. this it's the capitalism baby. There's no real message or meaning, just the style and no substance. Also nothing ever sits still long enough to even ramp up into a counter culture to even get that long lasting effect. The fast fashion excelerates this to an insane degree and harms both us and the environment that we live in causing further disconnect and sometimes, at least for me alienation. It's not *just* they wore it and now it's not cool but a person in a sweatshop made this only for it to fall apart after 6 washes and now some kid in India is eating the fibers because it's contaminated his food.
I do think it’s harder to do the thrift maximalist thing now because in the 90s thrift stores were full of the clothes of 10-20 years ago, aka well made and durable 80s and 70s pieces. thrift stores now, or moderately affordable ones anyway, have 10-20 year old pieces but that’s literally the 2010s so even second-hand clothes are flimsy, referential fast fashion
And the older vintage things are overly expensive or in a bad state because of age. You have to be lucky to have a relative who saved you up some really exeptional pieces from that time to wear .
Yes! "Sustainable maximalism" to me feels deceptive, because the contents of local thrift stores are highly dependent on the affluence of the area
Good point. I remember thrift shopping skirts, coats and brooches from the 1950s back in the day. The quality was excellent!
I think that's why there's more of a focus on DIY. Last time I was at a thrift store, there were a few good pairs of Levi's jeans, but most stuff was fast fashion, however, there were some top notch sewing machines from the 60s and 70s. Once those things get a tune up and proper care, you're set. I usually make things out of old sheets and scrap materials from thrift stores since it's more durable. Tableclothes make extremely durable clothes if you can find ones with solid colours, or less traditionally table prints.
I completely agree. I usually have to go to a curated clothing section in an antique mall or consignment store to find high quality second hand clothing.
For some reason I feel like we’re right in the middle of maximalism and minimalism- because while you have all these “weird” and “cluttered” aesthetics rn, you also have the whole “clean” and “sleek” look running at the same time. The kitschy/eclectic people and “it girl” people are existing in the same space and it’s polarizing, but cool!
Yeah it feels like minimalism and maximalism are trendy at the same time
yes! specially with the clean girl aesthetic
Right! And we still see the “it girls” wearing colorful jewelry and beaded necklaces.
there's no single standard anymore, which is kind of cool. you can fit into anything now
I think it's also because there are alot of information on fashion now that we can access it online so easily, you can see all different styles from super minimal or the other end of the spectrum and people can pick and choose which they like better. Personally I think that's way cooler then when one style dominants at one time.
I would describe gen z humor more as absurdist than ironic. Not that irony isn't there, just that the absurdism is the defining feature
Yeah, absurdist makes sense. I...don't really find it funny because I guess I'm old (I turned 30 last week) I'm joking. Not everything has to be funny to everyone
Meta irony
Agreed
Much agreed
Although is also kinda reminds me of early 2010 memes to be honest
I'm going to point out, in the early 2000s, dressing like a goth was social suicide and being part of the NYC rave scene typically meant you were unemployable. It's great to see the stigma drop.
I was an early 2000's closet goth. My hair was dyed black, but otherwise I looked "normal" for my office job. Now days, I'm an accountant with rainbow dyed hair and my boss thought it looked cool. My 20-year-old self would never have been able to dream of this future.
Still is social suicide tbh kids at my school get bullied so bad for just wearing black
@@burgerjuices5502 still not the same level though
I feel though like people not actually apart of the goth music subculture are co-oping goth aesthetics that don't belong to them. There's so many dark inclinded fashion movements, so why pick the one with the music component only to ignore the music.
@@Alexis-dd9rn Lol my office accountant is in her 50s-60s has very short (like a guy) red hair and loves Mickey Mouse/Disney. She wears Mickey Mouse accessories too. She seems to be having so much more fun with life than the other ladies her age 😊
I just find it funny that maximalism is literally me when I went to my grandparents house as a kid and tried on all of their old clothes.
we are watching humanity slowly unravel.
lol
Maximalism is literally me for the past 45 years with my thrift store punk rock bag lady chic, LOL. My time has finally come!
As someone who grew up with a hoarder parent, maximalism and cluttercore in particular gives me anxiety. But I do appreciate the creativity a lot when other people wear it.
what a mood
Yup
same here
I relate to this because I'm a former* hoarder myself. Never filled a house, but filled an entire room, asterisk for the fact I still tend to struggle with it. But I love how much self-expression occurs in cluttercore; as Mina said, it really is so person-to-person. So even as someone who can't really allow themselves to become cluttered again, it's very interesting to watch others who can control it use it as such a unique tool of creativity.
Same. I enjoy looking at maximalist styles and decor, but I can't have it in my own space or I get anxiety. I love being creative but I do have to keep any maximalist creations in moderation so I don't get overwhelmed. My mom is a big hoarder and so having too much stuff not only gives be anxiety but also reminds me of traumatic times from my past.
the way we see 'stylish' inlfuencers all over the internet is crazy. Like most of the clothes they wear are inaccessible to most people and it leads to consumerism and over consumption
this, and also i feel much of this kind of fashion is just...unwearable irl? like all the fashion haul videos have clothes that you can put on for a quick picture but you wouldn't actually wear it in your daily life. Kinda like the epitome of fast fashion...
@@Lilly94Z exactlyyyy I feel more and more like no matter how many clothes you buy, you're not as stylish as those influencers or the people you see online. I hate how overconsumption evolves with social media; it's always the same result
@@Lilly94Z And yeah if you're not an influencer you can't wear half of what's trendy because of how unconvenient the clothes are to work in
@@fievrelysis2470 THIS! it's happened so often that i saw something in a shop that i saw on the internet somewhere, tried it on and realized how utterly "instagram pic only" it is
and yeah they're super impractical...like so many coats with deep necklines and no closure like ... a coat needs to keep me WARM (sure i want it to look nice, but it has to protect me from the cold???)
@@Lilly94Z true, I love all the clothes but I need to spend so much money every month to be trendy and I can't even wear them due to cold weather in UK and random creepy dudes looking
There’s definitely a racial component to this, right? I feel like so much of what I see in the “weird girl aesthetic” and western maximalism trend is that a lot of it is what I saw specifically out of the Black community when I was a kid (early 00s) but it was exactly that styling I was told to avoid by my family because it was perceived by larger society as low class, ghetto, tacky, distracting etc. Bold colors, neon braids, chunky jewelry, clashed patterns, oversized clothing, randomly textured spandex - a lot of this still tied to J-fashion influences but it also happened along side it (which I think is evident by the influences of Black street styles and general “hip hop” aesthetics within the later evolution of Harajuku trends). We’re still calling all of this tacky but now it’s okay because at least it’s not ghetto when these girls are wearing it.
@@princessofpigs Did you not read what they wrote😭 they pointed how some harajuku styles take inspo from black American hip hop and not be called ghetto. They’re pointing out the double standard when it comes to black ppl wearing maximalist clothing
@@shelby9510 At a glance it looks more like Ganguro takes more from black fashion than Harajuku. With Ganguro there is a darkening or tanning of the skin and very bright/light makeup used to exaggerate the look including blonde/platinum hair. The makeup along with big hair, large flashy jewelry, etc are very reminiscent of black fashion.
do black people think they started everything??? obviously harajuku fashion was in japan filled with japenese, and they got negativity from japenese people. the early 2000s style of black people was called ghetto by non black people mostly white! different places and different people
@@princessofpigs a lot of japanese culture takes from the West, so I wouldnt be suprised if a lot of it, Harajuku included would be inspired by western culture.
@@tinajadior black people literally created the earth so
I find it really funny that you talked about the coastal grandma aesthetic because my mom has been talking about it non stop. My mom has always not liked fashion and considered shopping for clothes being a hassle rather than a way of expression. Every since she found this aesthetic it’s been clear that she takes more pride in her appearance and is excited to get dressed. Even though it’s surface level I do think these kinds of aesthetics are important because it helps people figure out and take pride in how they want to appear, even if it’s just a name.
This is so sweet! ❤️
aw that’s so cute!! hope u help her find inspo n stuf yhat would be cool
I’ve always been a maximalist, harajuku style is definitely one of my favorites. It makes me really feel like an individual and an interesting subversion of normalized gendered clothing imo.
Decora is so fun
same, I always wanted to try dressing like that
aaaa I love decora!
Harajuku fashion is ✨✨✨
I like scene…
The only point I would like to make is that I would love to see more ADULT women wearing clothes in media. I find it boring that the focus on fashion is so often geared towards teens and young adults. Show me the woman who's spent her life traveling and how that exposure and appreciation of different cultures has shaped her fashion choices. Show me the woman who still wears grunge and how years of practice and experimentation have allowed her to elevate it and apply it in different ways. There are so many interesting fashion stories to be told from the point of view of women who have been learning and evolving how to dress themselves and what they enjoy for a longer period of time. Often I find there's a narrative about women over a certain age being boring or uncool or not in touch, which is just close-minded and ageist. Not to mention that having a wider age representation in fashion would do a world of good in terms of self esteem and showcasing the point that you can dress however you want at any age and that you can reinvent yourself at any point in your life.
Lately I’ve only been following fashion influencers over 30 and my style has become soooooo much better because of it
Yeah older women like my mom tend to think they need to stop being involved in fashion trends or experimenting with new styles just because of their age. They restrict themselves and start dressing for others rather than themselves. I think seeing older women in current fashion is a great way to counteract this phenomenon.
@@emilyb3875 Any recommendations? :)
@@Kif_Lee check out Carla Rockmore. She’s 50+ but I’m a teen and I LOVE her style. It’s really timeless.
OMG you are so right, it can also be seen like almost a "youth cult".
Sometimes I feel really old..." you wouldn't wear flannel and baggy in the 90s if you weren't grunge"
No nope no
We did and we weren't so concerned about our scene or aesthetic ( in the modern phrase) . I'm guessing a lot of people in the 90s just bought and wore what they could. I know we did.
Your personal style was alot more about how you put things together, than what you could buy. Because you had to more or less shop locally.
Because when social media didn't exist and the lens wasn't dominating our self worth people of the past identified very differently.
I see people today with a full head to toe look. I remember the 90s as being far more understated.
I did agree with the point Mina Le made about seriousness. Today I meet people in a full look who are simply wearing an aesthetic for a day, tomorrow the look completely different. If I ask a question about the band tee for example : "oh I don't know anything about that music, I just liked the graphic" is a common reply. In the 90s it was harder and more expensive to source looks. So someone that was 100% goth , really put time and money in.
No judgement, just different generations in different times.
You’re absolutely right though. Stuff like flannel shirts can be purchased second hand in A LOT of varieties. It was just a part of my closet growing up.
I wore flannel all the time but I don't remember actually purchasing any new except for a blue buffalo plaid button up. Mine came from dad and grandpa's closets and secondhand stores. I wore a lot of high waisted, worn out acid wash jeans and army surplus junk, and I wouldn't have been caught dead wearing a band Tshirt unless I owned at least one of their albums Apparently I was grunge and I wish I had my 90s wardrobe back lol
I totally agree... I was a tom boy in Elementary and started to copy my sister's style, baggy jeans and open flannels over t-shirts... ; ) and then I developed my own style which changed over time ..😜
Agree. I think new generations take it for granted that you can buy lots of styles, whereas in the 90s there was literally three items of clothing in every shop, they were the same styles as every other shop, and in the same three colours. The only way to be different was to make your own or buy from thrift, or if you were lucky, to wear your mum/grandma's stuff.
Very true and definitely a fact that many do not recognise when it comes to this discussion
I am someone who's always been really crafty, specifically in embroidery/cross-stitch, and I am kind of shocked that mainstream upcycled fashion hasn't incorporated a lot more hand embroidery. I know it takes more time, but there is so much artistic freedom to turn a mass produced item of clothing into your canvas for your art, truly making it one of a kind. I just got a sewing machine, and though I haven't sewn in about a decade, I REALLY want to start making my own clothes. It would feel so empowering to do that, especially because I'm in a situation right now where I can't afford to buy clothes, so the idea of mending and upcycling something I got at goodwill into something beautiful sounds so fun
do it please! I love to collect different artist clothing pieces and maybe one day I can collect and wear yours
I agree. I've seen some claim that if you have a colourful wardrobe you must be into fast fashion. I feel like these people disregard the wonderful crafting community
I find it to be ironic that fashion has entered its maximalist phase, while makeup has seemingly become much more minimal and toned down compared to, say, 2015. I know I see many beauty influencers striving for a more “soft” and “natural “ style compared to the bold cut creases and loud colors we had just a few years ago.
I think the makeup "face trends"have toned down compared to 2015. Now we are not using a tick layer of heavy matte foundation or so much concealer and contour but I think the eye looks have become minimalist yet more colorful and loud. We used to focus of heavy cut creases and now I see a lot of graphic eyeliners, pops of color, wash of colors... it's like the eye has to be a bold and creative statement piece (considering that we have been wearing masks for years this makes sense). And I think it actually pairs well with this trend of saturated clothes because you get soft but colorful looks on the face. But yes, it's interesting seeing how the trends have changed so much in so little time.
Imagine make up and clothing like a couple walking together. Each one has a different step speed so, every X steps they walk with the same leg and after X more steps it happens exactly the opposite. Here is where we are now. People is dressing like an IG eye make up of 2015-16. 🧛🏻♀️🖤
Very true
I think this is happening because of the whole y2k/2000’s look coming back in style. We wore much more natural looking makeup back then in general.
personally i think this is a good thing. maximalism as a trend has personality, and it's not easy to replicate the exact same maximalist outfits you see from "fashion influencers", so you gotta be somewhat original to contribute to the trend, experiment and develop your own style. whereas the makeup trends such as cut crease and those weird ass looking brows (idk what they're called but u can guess what i mean) etc felt very unoriginal and boring to me. they weren't about style or individualism, they were all about looking a certain way: which is how the ~~Instagram baddie~~ was born. i'm glad we're over that phase.
and tbh, minimal makeup isn't the dominant makeup trend these days anyway, what about Euphoria inspired makeup? i think it could be considered maximalist too.
I think we're coming to the end of the "age of trends." The trend cycle moves to fast now for normal people to keep up. The result is that everything is in style at once, so people are wearing things from many different styles and none of them are "out of style". I think this collapse of the trend cycle combined with people staying at home because of Covid has made more people realise that you can wear whatever you want. Hopefully, trends will be less of a thing in the future and we could all wear what makes us happy :)
Was having a conversation like this with some coworkers bc between the 8 of us, we all have distinctly different styles and we agreed that covid had a hand in making those of us with "unusual" styles more comfortable bc if there is a serious threat of you getting sick and dying next week, why not go out wearing what makes you happy and fuck anybody who saying something
I was thinking the same thing! I was just telling a friend that right now it feels like you can wear anything because it's bound to be considered in style somewhere on the internet, even if it's just a small group.
Well put! Exactly how I think cluttercore came about.
THIS
it's so idd to me that discussions around what's "trendy" still happen, as if it's one thing that's popular at the moment, when it's usually like 1000s of things that are popular. I think we'll see a shift towards individual styling (almost like solo performance art) and a double down on influencer culture. Which in the age of community based web3 platforms, going nowhere.
Couldnt agree more
During my teens Helena Bonham Carter was my ultimate fashion icon, so I grew up liking a lot of "bad taste" stuff and historic referenced clothes, while also learning that it is useless to copy anybody, like Helena is such an icon because her style is really her own
I adore Helena Bonham Carter's fashion! I love how it's comforting yet Gothic
HBC still has a major influence on my style choices. I was at college studying fashion in the early 80s, we were just coming out of punk, tipping into Goth/ New Romanticism and Vivienne Westwood went from Kings Road to Queen of British fashion.
I feel that post Covid style is so clinical, clean and sleek. In the same way that having your clothes ironed, used to demonstrate that you were unlikely to be infested with lice, so you could be included socially. We are right back there with this minimalistic ‘quiet luxury’, which invites inclusion into a rather superior, survivalist club where money = health.
I have always felt that fashion and health are intrinsically linked. All these stealth wealth unpatterned fabrics need to be freshly laundered/clean. There is nowhere for infection to hide. Maximalist patterned layers can hide a multitude of spills and a haven for breeding bacteria. Compare HBCs hair with Gwyneths… that’s two entirely different washing regimes. If you have ever had nits, sleek and shiny locks are more difficult for the little blighters to latch on to.
Quite luxury wearers are going to be spending a lot of time on their laundry and personal hygiene and that regime is outwardly demonstrated. They might as well be wearing scrubs.
Maximalist style gives me creative vibes…. time invested in artistic activity rather than laundry, exercise or healthy living. Can obsession with art and health co-exist in vivo?Historically not.
We are still on the edge of pandemic polish. It’s a tribe that the majority still want to be a part of… people want to be/look rich. I can’t wait until the ‘We nearly died, but we survived, let’s celebrate life’ trend hits us. It’s coming.
20:26 I was literally just trying to explain this to my mom. There’s this girl I was friends with when I was little, and we looked her up on Instagram just to see how she’s doing now, and she’s got blue hair and dresses kinda alt. My mom couldn’t wrap her head around the idea that she wasn’t necessarily going downhill and running with terrible people cause of how she looks. It was so frustrating.
The part where you talked about how “western maximalism tends to look more manufactured” is the perfect way to describe something I’ve been noticing ever since the pandemic! I’ve had a hard time trying to describe it. This new style wave is so hard to point out exactly what is happening and why it seems repetitive but it’s right there… somehow people managed to make their “eclectic” style look exactly like the next person 😂
So true! I’ve always thought you can’t fake ‘style’ or ‘weirdness/whimsy.’ It’s a natural sort of thing. Following trends is not style imo
it’s kind of like this tweet that i saw that said you can tell who has a twitter/instagram account based on their outfit
So true. It's unique and eclectic but still manufacture and so on propose. Lol
Because it's fabricated and manipulated my marketeers to get people bying their shit. People want to feel unique and special but also show off their brands and have the newest shiniest thing and so they end up dressing all the same anyway.
Just like minimalism came to mainstream and they decided to make a market out of it too...
@@carpediem4091 exactly
Your channel is literally the reason I realized I have a love for fashion history
lol what if fashion history asmr collab
Oh hi Luna! So good to see you here ♡
@@panicinperson yesssssss
@@panicinperson I’d watch a soft spoken video of her showing and explaining fashion through the decades. That would be so relaxing.
same! i love it so much!!
I think we also need to think about how “pretty privilege” plays into this era of maximalist fashion. With other fashion trends, something that is seen as extremely fashionable on someone who fits into the beauty standard is not on someone who does not. However, I think that the maximalism trend often celebrates “unique” beauty and is inclusive of all body types (at least from what I have seen). I think this can be seen in the models who are shown wearing maximalist fashion - they usually have a uniqueness to their appearance that sets that apart.
Okay, so now I am hooked on this wonderful channel! A 55-year-old dad to two. Gen-Zers, I was a style-conscious kid in the cool point of the Post-Punk moment. Now I’m old and, in spite of myself, the epitome of uncool-well, at leadt to my kids. This helps A LOT… I can acquire rudiments of their language quickly and efficiently while being entertained.
this is so cute :')
I still believe that maximalism has a class and race barrier in what "looks good" and on "who". EDIT: I also want to include fat people, disabled people and those who have interconnected identities of the forementioned list.
That part!!!
also as a fat woman, if i wear multiple layers like this people would fully laugh at me, but when thin people do it, it’s fashion 🙄
@@jifij89 so effing true. Big girls have been wearing funky fashion pieces way before this trend blew up. It's really nothing new.
I think if anything it's more tied to body type/weight as a barrier
minimalism too... there's no style that exists in a made up world. all styles exist constrained and fed directly by our lived reality
i can appreciate this trend but i *am* dreading the landfills when it ends
I live in Japan and it’s really hard to find people who wear the fashion you show in the video. Right now it’s either MUJI style potato sack dresses or kpop style, even the hosts in the host clubs no longer has those anime style hair, most of them has kpop band style. I can still see some people wearing lolita or the maximalisim n loud fashion, but it’s sooo rare
It’s probably going to swing back eventually. Those potato sacks need to DIE
Sad to hear
Because its not trending now, current trend is more minimalist and 'relaxed' look.
Growing up early 2000s and consuming Harajuku fashion subcultures via internet to finally getting to go to Harajuku in 2019 hit like heavy bricks in my stomach because of this. Sure there was some cool fashion here and there but most people wore black, grey, beige. Noone popped out in color the way they did back then. It was quite depressing. 😭
@@AbsoluteAma so sad. I dreamt of visiting and never had to money or time to do so, now fashion is sad and I‘m old 😭
That is such a great point about Aesthetic Vs Subculture. Sure all these kids are rocking the maximalist style but they don't really understand why they are dressing like it beyond just "fitting in" to what is trending. They miss the point that the maximalist style from Harajuku was a big F You to the companies telling people what to wear. Maximalist now is just another brand to throw at people and no longer a statement for anything. Man, that one line just blew my mind. Great video.
i think maximalism is a very interesting and unique way to play with style, but as someone who prefers things to be simple and subtle, it just kinda gives me anxiety :,)
same here! but i still love the cluttered antique shop vibe anyway 😭
I love maximalism is theory! BUT it’s impractical for me to wear everyday. Plus I often feel overwhelmed when I wear bright colors :/
@@augustlunaonline ah yeah it’s definitely a very eye-catching style! but i agree, i feel like it would be difficult to wear out on a regular basis
interesting, I loooooove seeing maximalism, but naturally dress very minimalistically. I wear maybe one or two accessories that I really really love. that's the most important thing to me, having things I really really love. I recently visited my aunt's house in indiana, she has a very kitchy, country, cluttercore style. Her house just seems so fun. She has a basement that feels like a maze full of childhood memories. There were spaces with clothing hanging overhead that you would have to duck under, and it felt like part of the decor. At the same time, it's the kind of home that only works for your lifestyle, with just enough space for you. My grandpa absolutely hated it. I like learning from everyone, even when someone else is very different from me or where I wanna go in life. It's hard to put a label on my style as I do not limit myself to any one thing, and I imagine there are many people out there who are the same. Everyone is open to liking what they like, so don't be afraid of offending anyone 💖
@@trashbug4843 aaa this was worded so beautifully! i agree, it’s definitely important not to label or limit style (unless you’re super committed to a particular look) as it allows more opportunity for experimentation, which i think is a really big part of what maximalism is and why it’s so unique.
Thrifting is good and all, but I'm afraid that the popularity of thrifting due to this maximalist trend might make the gentrification issue worse with thrift stores increasing the price for old junk that definitely shouldn't be costing 3-5 times its original price. :(
Oh it's happening already. I used to pay no more than $3 for shirts at goodwill. Now in some stores they're $7
@@MissSeedy i mean..that's why some lower middle class people thrift because it's better for the planet and workers and shit and we can't afford to buy from sustainable brands What is the truth lmao??
It’s this and also the micro trends causes a lot of more donations. So it’s a weird cycle. I have seen prices go up in thrift stores but everything has raised prices as well
That's not the only reason prices rise. Those stores gotta pay ever-increasing rent, + most people forget that most charity shops don't exist to solely give people the cheapest stuff, but make profit so they can give their profits to charity
Yep, that's unfortunately going to continue to happen.
I have always been maximalist since I can remember 🤣 As an ADHDer it’s always been something to entertain and catch my attention. I love the sensory aspect of it and it provides a lot of room for expression as someone who sometimes struggles with feeling understood. I loved this video. Thanks for the insight🖤
Side thought: I’ve found my kind of people in the Rave community. I love the freedom of expression and creativity in the community. Everyone is very supportive and collaborative, the principles of dance culture has always been collaboration and remixing. The maximalist festival fashion has def made a rise in this decade and I love it.
I've struggled so much to find my personal aesthetic these past few years of adolescence. The trends kept on changing ever week and i just couldn't keep up. Until i started noticing how much i love maximalist clothing. I would try to match clothes that in society's norm were a weird combination. It gave me so much joy when i had a lot of layers, textures, and colors on me. The same goes for my room, my mom would always point out how unorganized it looked. But to me, it gave me peace knowing i've got all my favorite things out and in view. It was like my own authentic personality spread across the whole room.
Kind of crazy how most influencers/celebs adopt these trends like wearing vintage ed hardy or y2k inspired clothes, almost mimicking the style of the lower to middle class of western society. I started thrifting at the ripe age of 12 years old (in 2009), supporting the idea of eco-responsibility (also because I was obsessed with 50's fashion at the time). Nowadays, the thrift stores are overpriced, flooded with young Gen Z's filling their carts with clothes that will probably end up back in the trash after a few months.. Authenticity is dead (or is it?), all because of a tiktok trend or the desire to blend in.
As a high schooler, I completely agree. Some people around my age will wear a different outfit EVERY. SINGLE. DAY. I honestly cannot even comprehend it. You're right, authenticity is dying, but people who aren't just trying to stay up to date on trends are keeping it alive. :)
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Yeah I see that a lot now and not just that I've been seeing y2k styles and a whole bunch of influencers don't seem to even get the style right..
Highly agree. I’m not too big on shopping and buying a lot of clothes because I don’t have the space for too much. My younger sister on the other hand, is obsessed with shopping, especially thrifting. Each week, she always comes back with at least 3 pieces of clothes. What’s worse is that she’ll wear majority of her pieces maybe twice before she decides to donate. Like why spend money on clothes you can’t/don’t wear with frequency? It’s just wasting clothes and money
“There are no more cool kids left to photograph” Trully heartbreaking when you think about it.
It’s so not true tho.
@@lujorom9172 yeah especially where i live (europe), everyone still dresses like 2016 basic white girl/boy and its lowkey rare to find someone with a different style
@@runa0302 that’s interesting cause I also live in Europe (Berlin) and here it’s very eclectic / maximalist. But maybe that’s the university bubble that I’m in.
@@lujorom9172 ohh im fron vienna and here its the opposite somehow, es gibt schon mehr unterschiedliche styles als vor 3 jahre aber die meisten laufen herum wie aus 2016 hahah
@@runa0302 Where in Europe do you live?
I live I'm Scandinavia, and maximalism has never really been a thing here at all.
The Scandi interior design style really reflects our general style, which is utilitarian, comfortable and easy going, but effortlessly chic.
I’ve always been a bit of a maximalist naturally- and I love the look of over the top maximalist fashion- but I think it’s another area of fashion that radiates The Capitol from the Hunger Games energy. Owning enough clothing and accessories that you can pile on that many individual items at once shows inherent privilege. I was lucky enough to be raised by an upper middle class family- and was able to have most of the clothes and things I wanted so I tend to lean maximalist. My friends who were less comfortable growing up are largely still minimalists to this day. And now as a working adult supporting myself mostly on my own, I’m certainly not as much of a maximalist as I was in my youth 😅.
Idk I can see cheapo maximalism as sort of aping Rococo excess. I grew up lower middle class/below poverty line in the 90s and go to the thrift store and grab as much of the craziest crap you can find was definitely a thing for me and my friends. (Sure that kind of leisure time and small bit of disposable income still speaks to a certain amount of privilege)
I was 1000% thinking of the capitol when she showed the tiktok of the girl dressing up as maximalism
Had the opportunity to go to Harajuku in 2006, 2011, and 2019. It was really sad to see how much it had changed in 2019. There was probably only a handful of stores that still seemed to have some integrity. While Harajuku isn't what it used to be, there's new tiny communities popping up all around Tokyo to take its place. It's just an unfortunate cycle but something that is probably inevitable.
as a maximalist plus an art kid lol i feel like even maximalism has a limit. theres a difference on making/wearing something that represents you and trying hard to be ''quirky'' by overdoing it
yeah, it kinda plays into the sort of "manufactured" feel mentioned in the video. there's a difference between there being a organic clash of things someone loves vs someone actively seeking to copy that certain "aesthetic". there's a lack of personality when people try to hard to fit in into a certain label
TOTALLY, I mean do what makes you happy but it's not a competition of who can be more chaotic and quirky
I would argue that “trying too hard” really boils down to the individual’s intentions, which is something you’re never really going to know unless you ask them. A lot of people make comments about Clara (tiny Jewish girl) trying too hard, when in reality she is very thoughtful about the clothing she chooses and has a lot of reasoning behind what she wears. I’m personally not comfortable with rolling my eyes at (or making fun of) a stranger’s outfit, no matter how crazy, because who am I to assume that I know exactly why they’re wearing it? How am I supposed to assume that they’re doing something for attention when I don’t even know them?
@@emmmmmmmm4086 i see ur point and agree mostly but with everybodys lives in open from social media- mostly tiktok creators- u can see what their “aim” is i guess. but yes i totally agree i wouldnt ofc judge anyone walking on the street solely on that moment (even i get lazy and wear basic stuff sometimes and i rlly dont want people to judge me based on what i look like on that day and such)
I'm also a maximalist in terms of fashion!!!! But I reuse everything, thrift and make a lot of my own stuff too. I use my old leg warmers as arm wraps after they got holes in them which I use for my thumbs hehehe :>
I’m honestly sceptical about the rise of this trend, because it just further emphasises Gen Z’s hyperfixation on overconsumption. Plus, the more “loud” an aesthetic is (look at kidcore, y2k, and indie) the faster it fizzles out. I really like this trend though, just something to note I guess!
Yeah and minimalist fashion definitely has more longevity since it mainly focuses on functionality and simplicity which is applicable to several situations (outdoor activities, workplace, hanging out, etc.)
It does make me wonder how many in the community are actually sustainable maximalists and how many just do a Amazon or shein haul…
@@sweetembrace6706 All the other generations had style/aesthetics revolving around minimalism. you can blame capitalism, or simply see it as a catalyst to where we are now
@Willy Billy Well yes but never in history have we had access to an overload of clothes, easily accessible and cheaper than ever before. That’s the difference between gen zs overconsumption and previous gens. Also on the whole, we understand that the planet is dying, which previous generations were either wilfully ignorant to or simply ignored. We have all the information and understanding and *still* choose to be this way.
This isn't new. Decora, lolita, gyaru (specially himegyaru), goth, punk, etc. have been around since the 70s (lolita), 80s (goth, punk), 90s (decora, gyaru).
Y2K is literally just 00s fashion
Your videos make me proud to be in Gen Z. I feel like 99% of media about Gen Z just dismisses it as a bunch of TikTok- and self-obsessed hashtag-users with no particular culture. But your videos make me see how unique, creative, and insightful we can be and it makes me feel hopeful for the future of my peers and myself. :)
Harujuku fashion was so influential to me as a child that even to this day you could definitely see the roots of harujuku deeply imbedded in what I wear. Especially the idea of altering your clothes so that you are original amongst the rest and that it shows more character that way.
I think maximalism just makes sense coming out of the pandemic. While everyone's in lockdown the trend towards minimalism, decluttering and simpler clothes just made sense as most people weren't leaving the house as much. Whereas now, there's a new energy in dressing up and taking advantage of being seen, you want to really showcase what you've got!
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Yess literally I understand this. Style trends and desires are always opposite of what people in society are going through bc the people long for something different.
I love this perspective. As a creative, it's like I locked up my inner fashionista. I really got into comfort during the pandemic. As I start to go out more, I've seen more people doing what they want. Aldo, I see influencers encouraging others to dress to please the inner child. & I've been loving the sense of safety to express myself to the fullest.
Yes but we're all dressing the same whisky trying to look different. When folks realise that it'll start to flop. All these new York art kids looking the same. When maximalism is about showing all uniqueness over the top.
I would even go as far to say that the clearest part of this transition occurred while we were still in lockdown when people really started to focus on being in the public eye again and wanting to express themselves as much as possible, in the way they could not previously.
I feel like gen z is switching up aesthetics way too fast. I'm gen z, and I have noticed people go from e-girl to country girl to y2k to dark academia to light academia to cottage core to princess core to maximalist to streetwear. But at least more young people are shopping 2nd hand, so that's good.
I just want to say you inspired me to do my persuasive communications speech on fast fashion with your Shein video, thank you!
But like, so what. It doesn't effect you, wear what you want and let them wear what they want. Most gen z are still in their teens, teenage years are _for_ expressing yourself.
@@a_person4742 Yeah. Right now, I’m still experimenting on what I like wearing, so I don’t understand the thing about having one aesthetic. And when I buy clothes, I wear them for years until it doesn’t fit me anymore/is too damaged.
the thing about cottage core, goth, and academia aesthetics is that its not just a style, its a way of life. cottage core can be connected to sustaining yourself by growing your own food. dark academia is about enjoyment of reading. and goth is a movement!! these communities are connected by things that bring them together, and fashion is just something that comes along with that. if you dress just for style, thats fine, but you are throwing that sense of community out the window. you are unable to relate to those with the same aesthetic, because you are doing it just for the trend :/
i feel like its fine? as long as others aren't being bashed on for whatever they want to wear, aesthetics run their course every other moment in time. especially with maximalism, which literally means more, which literally will lead to the culmination of a lot of aesthetics into a singular outfit, hence the "switching up." it makes sense to me!
@@a_person4742 exactly
I love Harajuku fashion, looking at fruits magazine just makes me happy to see people dressing cool and themselves. Im a guy but i want to allow more Japanese brands in my wardrobe, and i think this trend of maximalism is something i will keep with me
I really liked the clutter room aesthetic. I always wanted my room to have a bunch of stuff in it, maybe not to the extent that some of the TikTok’s showed but something that screamed “Hey this is me, what I like and what my Identity is!” Unfortunately my room is rather minimalist with a bunch of random things I don’t even like
Get rid of the stuff then and save to buy the stuff you like but tbh it isnt really worth it. You'll realise once you get older that stuff is just stuff and you dont take it when you die
After flirting with maximalism for a while, I've started to realize that I feel like I'm making up for the time I've spent on the "not like other girls"-hating-femenine-wear phase during my teenage years. Now that I'm feeling way less insecure about myself I feel more confident experiment with colorful, vibrant, over the top pieces and I'm really loving it! 💖
100% it also has to do with why i love pink so much now.
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True my confidence skyrocketed
This. I have decided that excessive girliness and feminine details will be the end of me.
Yeah, dyed my hair pink, I just live the color now, spend my childhood wearing black
it's always fun playing a game of "is it fashion or are they just skinny?"
and pretty / or pretty enough to be considered pretty with makeup
Truly 😓
that's what it boils down to most of the time lol
i feel like that plays into mid and +size fashion. Where they'll advertise two girls having a great time, one is a typical catwalk model size 0-4, the other is plus size 14+ and both the dresses look great, they both have great figures. Unfortunately unlike slimmer sizes, curves are far more difficult to style the same way as our fat sits different depending on who you are. So I love playing that game with both
well, I'm skinny and I would kill for some curves, I have small boobs and everything looks flat on me. So I disagree with this
this is how we dressed in the late 90s and early 2000s. I went to art school in 2001. No one flaunted designer. The resale shops were amazing. We had no idea how to use makeup. It was incredible.
It was becouse you got all the best clothes from the 90s 80s 70s and before because there was no Internet so people couldn't sell their best bits on ebay. And the resale shops didn't always know what they were selling so on occasions you would get a bargain now its much harder
I don't have TikTok, but I sew, and I've been a fan of decora style for a while, throwback to when I was 8 and wore like 5 watches I got from cereal boxes to school. I didn't know what maximalism was as a kid, and I hadn't seen any Harajuku fashions until I was a teen, but something drew me to the ability to express yourself through clothes and accessories. The same reason why I still have the same pair of Crocs I've had for 13 years, covered in paint splatters, and almost all the holes filled with Jibbitz (and knock offs, because back then, the dollar stores sold some cute ones for cheap). I'm also not upset with the fact I have to wear compression socks and often gloves (for disability) because that's just more things I can style. Neon knee high socks and shorts are totally a style, and fingerless gloves not only help with hand pain, but make me feel like a Pokemon trainer, or other anime hero.
I'm not as out there with my style at the moment, but when I sew things, there are a few things I keep in mind. First, what I plan to wear with it, and how I can make something work with other pieces (I love tie dying things, but having an outfit with mismatch colours and methods of tie dye often looks more tacky than anything). Second, comfort and utility including how many pockets and where, what kind of closures (buttons, zippers, drawstrings, snaps, etc). Finally, I think of how to make it more me with embellishments, matching accessories, or if I want to dye it some other way. I'm sure part of it is my ADHD as well as tendency to collect things, but there has to be some cohesion. Like I sort all my amiibo figures by series and height so there's an order to them even though I have like 80, and even when layering things like socks, I make sure they match.
I feel like weird core decora is becoming more popular but these people are making itt more preppy than alternative
I kinda like the preppy decora merge because they have always been some of my favorite styles but I would love to see people continue to be creative in doing so, but instead I'm seeing kind of a cheap merge just because some people aren't quite brave enough to go all in
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Off topic but how'd you like the new song lol
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I'm very "wear whatever the f*** you want, ignore the trends", but that also means LET other people wear whatever they want. So, while no aspect of maximalism appeals to me, it is literally none of my business what anyone else does, just as it's no one else's business how I choose to dress or decorate
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well said 💯
write this in gold on my grave
Ok...fashion is a major industry and people are still going to discuss whether they like or dislike something. That won't change.
@@reecee2488 of course, but that's not really what I'm getting at though. Lately, with TikTok in particular (even with me not being on it!) it seems like there's this peer pressure to adopt new trends, because the other things people have liked before are just "cringe" now. Of course, if you genuinely like a trend and you want to explore new fashion/a new style of decoration, you should be able to, but it should be out of a genuine desire, not because you've felt pressured to do something. And if you don't like a new trend and prefer the older ones, you shouldn't feel like you have to leave that behind just because it's no longer "in"
about the cluttecore section, i think another reason this sort of organized messy room style became more popular during quarentine was because so many of us were confined to our houses and even not allowed to leave our own rooms. so we found joy in designing and dysplaying the items in our room when they were the only things we had to look at 24 hours a day, 7 days a week.
as a member of gen z, i have always loved this more “cluttered,” maximalist style. i kind of love it when things look purposely ugly and in “bad taste,” mismatched, but that means that it’s unique and personal. someone made their outfit/video/art/room look like that with an intention
I think that this trend is interesting bc it is happening at the same time as the clean girl aethetic and the rise of capsule wardrobes which seem to be completely opposite.
As a gen-z, I personally think this trend isn’t for me, doesn’t mean it’s bad or ugly, it just doesn’t personally interest me
But I wish I wasn’t looked down on for liking things that are out of style… (reds and orange colored pieces, skinny jeans, camo print) if people were really in support of “finding your own individual style” they wouldn’t trash on people who don’t conform to the current trends
Yeah the irony is that when the maximalist trends hit, the idea is to show off how individual you are, but then more subtle dressers will stand out eventually. Each cycle is different as it will be affected by the decade’s global politics, what is available and celebrity cultures at the time. But in essence the cycles are the same. I say follow what feels right for you. You will hopefully feel good in your own clothes and look back on this era as a time that you allowed yourself to be comfortable and to express yourself how you wished to do so.
is red and orange out of style ?? do people look down on people who wear the color red and orange
@@luiysia red NEVER goes out of style, but I guess im biased. I definitely don’t see people around me wearing orange though 😖
is like corsets, I like corsets as a fashion thing bc I like historical period dramas and I started learning about fashion history bc of that, but then it becomes a trend thanks to tiktok and some aesthetics and everybody starts wearing corsets, and shops started to have ''corsets'' like ''corset tops'', ''corset dresses'', ''corset belts'', so is not something different anymore (until a new trend comes and all that is forgotten), but if you wear a real corset as i like to do people look at you weird (and i live in a big city), also makeup, I always liked to use glitter and colorful looks and I was the weird one, but now with the euphoria trends is ''normal''... I think I will go out tomorrow with a ball gown to see if it becomes a trend, bc anyways I'm going to be the ''weird one''
I also hate a coment that my mom uses to say when I like certain clothes or when I use old clothes of her, she says ''this is not fashionable anymore''... I hate the word fashionable bc i dont need to wear what everyone is wearing just bc is fashionable... that hole way of thinking is just wrong, can i have my own style please? Thanks...
@@emilia3735 i couldnt have said it better
maximalism makes me nervous tbh, but i respect it
Cyndi Lauper had a maximalism style, the 80s high fashion industry was very maximalist before Harajuku Girls. I'm American but have spent lots of time working in Tokyo in the fashion industry (former high fashion runway model). I modeled for Pink House in the early 90s for OfficialTokyo Fashion Week and dozens of other high fashion Tokyo designers such as Yohji Yamamoto. The French high fashion designers have always been maximalist too. I also just now noticed a photo of Fashion Model Derrionna at 6:54, I photographed her for her portfolio that got her signed to top her New York agency.
the points you mentioned at the end really helped me understand why i just don't vibe with most maximalist outfits i see nowadays, even though i grew up loving harajuku street fashion and eclectic styles. it's like following a recipe vs making a dish from memory over and over again until you find the perfect ratio of ingredients - one just feels more rewarding than the other.
i was having a conversation with my younger friends about fashion, and they kept insisting that i just needed to wear the clothes to have style, but i instead maintained how the clothes you put on should still match your personality or it doesn't feel genuine. maybe people have lost touch with self-expression in favour of conformity, something i find really funny when we live in a supposed individualist culture.
sidenote, i really hope fruits comes back in some form because i really miss seeing creativity on display.
This is a beautiful and accurate take. I agree with your sentiments exactly.
Agree with this so much! Those who wore the Japanese Harajuku fashion seemed to value the authentic vintage items they wore, which were personalized and novel to just them, while it feels like influencers here in the West seem to wear vintage-inspired/replicated designs that are mass-produced, which means it's not personalized or novelty. Similarly, these differences can feel like a fresh, homemade meal made by a loving grandma vs a fast food meal from McDonalds- both are consumable, yet there is a difference in taste.
so true ! fashion isn’t fun when you just wear what’s “objectively stylish”, you definitely lose individuality and personality when you do that.
I love living the “unapologetically bad taste” which is how I describe my style. It’s been so freeing and super super fun to mix and match things that years ago would be considered ugly or bad. Which it still can today, but I feel like these things are fun and cool and bring me joy so I wear them or have them. It really has been so freeing, like a breath of fresh air everytime I think about it
I love the feeling of power. Like yeah its "ugly" but i have the confidence to do it anyways
It doesn' t work in english but that beauty we see and enjoy in the "uglyness" has a personal word for me in spanish.
Belleza means beauty
Feo/a means ugly
*FELLEZA is the beautifulness of the ugliness* Maybe *Beauglyful* ? ... 🧛🏻♀️🖤
_Unapogetically bad taste_ in make up is named by my mother *Facial Terrorism That Thanks God Can Be Removed* 🤣🤣🤣 My mouse, you are soooo beautiful (c' mooon, it's my mom) 😰 Why do you do "this" to your face?🤦🏻♀️You look like [insert here her analogy]. Thanks, ma, that' s exactly what I was looking for!, It' s not a phase, I' m 48. I love you too 🧛🏻♀️🖤
YES!!!!❤️❤️❤️ this!
Honestly to me it’s almost like satire. Wearing something that’s literally ugly is so funny to me.
It is truly refreshing to have the trend of no trends which allows people to try different flavors of clothing. However I had not realized how this prevents subcultures and communities from forming. Its hard to tell if the clothing that someone is wearing reflects their personality or an image that they want to present. Thank you for this explanation
Watching this made me realize that the weird little underground pop-up that I stumbled into one night a few months ago (in Harajuku!) was selling heaven by marc jacobs collection stuff! My friend and I just poked around a bit and since we weren't familiar with the collection by name we didn't realize that it was something famous. whoops, maybe I should've bought something lol
honestly i think this is largely a result of trend oversaturation. the trend cycle is moving so fast that its easier to just not acknowledge it and just wear whatever u think looks interesting.
however i think the categorisation of this (people wearing whatever/ ‘weird girl style’) as a style within itself could lend to commodification of the authenticity it offers - hence the uo/dollskill effect where people buy into fast fashion to replicate the individualism they lack.
Good point, was just thinking this!
My husband said this style is man repellent and I said “exactly” . This is dressing for your own happiness 💜
It’s normie man repellent. There are equally weird men out there that appreciate it.
Takes me back to The Man Repeller blog 😂 fashion trends are usually always female gaze or non-hetero male opinions. High fashion that straight men find attractive is a coincidence not really a goal. Fashion is art and we never consider how “attracted” we are to a painting as a goal for it’s beauty.
i’ve been considering creating my own little fashion magazine to feature the unique styles of people in my community! after watching this video, i think my idea may actually happen soon. thank you for the super interesting and fun content as always, mina!
I was an anthropology student in 2003 studying Harajuke fashion and microculturalism in the face of the internet. Seeing all these Fruits pages really takes me back. I absolutely adore cluttercore, maximalism, and doomer humor. I love this so much!
What do you do now, if I may ask :)
@@catvalentine4317 I'm a housewife, actually! I still love fashion and dressing to the hilt, and I''ve been diving headfirst back into all the wonderful cultures that make our world beautiful, but I'm also enjoying a much quieter life now. Thanks so much for asking!
@@KattKirsch That sounds good, enjoy your peace of mind!! ^^
This pendulum swing is actually a really interesting phenomenon that can be seen as far back as ancient Greece. The classical era was know for it's emphasis on linear, "proportiona" qualities and rational thought, which was followed by the Hellenistic period that emphasized emotions, melodrama, and frivolity. Then again we see it in the logical "High Italian renaissance" which gave way to the emotional "Baroque" period and frivolous Rococo periods. And AGAIN with Neoclassicism giving way to Romanticism. It's so interesting to me to see the forces of logic and emotions playing out across art and fashion history.
yup. i see the phenomenon as appolonian vs dionysian, our own need to form order from chaos and back again, and everything implied.
@@ivanav.3136 makes sense, the world is constantly breaking things down and building them up, people are just doing people things
people want more structure until it gets extreme then people want freedom to express and make disorder to be unique then try to push the limits and back again
My friend in London has started a magazine called Swing Ldn where they talk about small brands and things that millennials & Gen-z are interested in. Its cool because its independant (started by fashion journalist students) and includes brands/people that are in a the fashion community in London.
Short note from an alopecia sufferer: While oftentimes heartbreaking, my condition is not diabling and I consider it poor taste to glorify physical violence in response to rudeness.
YES! There are so many fashion trends coming to the Western fashion scene that I saw years ago in Korean or Japanese fashion scenes. It’s so infuriating when Western designers or even fashion social media users/influencers don’t acknowledge this background. It continually pushes the narrative that “the West” and predominately white countries are the worldwide source of pop culture and fashion innovation.
I strongly agree that this is a style that is very inspired by big Japanese fashion, but it's also *hugely* (and way more directly) inspired by independent, queer, and black American fashion from several decades ago, and that Japanese fashion was also inspired by (and inspiring) these similar sources. Unfortunately the narrative isn't even just that Western cultures are more fashionable, it's that there are certain people who are chosen to be arbiters of what's good and proper in fashion, to the detriment and lack of representation of everyone else. But at least some straight rich white person decided that now we can wear stuff a gay man would have been mugged on the street for wearing 30 years ago so woohoo progress we love America
This goes the other way too, you know. There are things in Korea I’ve seen that make me cringe because they’ve been and gone in the UK and Koreans are now just picking up on them. It’s not just fashion, it’s food trends, popular English language slang they throw in, music, everything. I’m pretty sure this happens all over the world in all directions.
This happens a lot with western fashion too. Cottagecore is based a lot in vintage English fashion (I’m not really sure but I think maybe 18th century fashion in the countryside). Lolita is inpired in Victorian fashion (also English). Royalcore is based in clothes that west European monarchs wore. Faerycore has a lot of corsets which are Italian.
Thank you so much for commenting this
How would you suggest that the average person/influencer lets people know that it is from Korean culture?
my personal style is more of a minimalism type, but i catch myself looking at maximalism photos often. theyre so loud and colorful, its exciting and fun to just look at them.
Same. I don’t want maximalism for myself but MY GOD do I LOVE people who partake. Their outfits are a visual delight 💕
same. i love minimalism but i just can’t fully commit to it. i’m so interested in so many crafty things and just keep adding things to my walls loll. it gives me anxiety and my room feels less clean but honestly i’m having more fun experimenting with maximilism
@@samanthawright23 the same goes for me! the impact of social media is really strong, if it didnt exist, i would never even think about taking a liking to maximalism.
@@hvnterly8388 agreed, they warm my heart
Something I love and have always loved about maximalist design is that it gives you so much freedom. It can be whatever you want it to be. It can be light or dark kitsch. It can be tacky or sophisticated. You can express your self with maximal freedom and no fear of judgment. It feels like connecting with your deep childhood self that we tend to forget as we grow older and live many lives.
I remember looking at Japanese fashion and being aware and doing character designs and having to pay attention to harujuku because it just was so explosive. Love watching the video good job Mina!
I feel like dark academia and cottage core has something that most of the other aesthetics do not have and that is it's based on activities or attached to certain activities that gives it life, dark academia has reading and writing while cottage core is about homelier activities like cooking and cleaning.
That sets them apart because the community in turn can exchange different ways to cultivate inspiration through those activities rather than just the aesthetic itself as the main focal point. I feel like it also stems from wishing for a different way of living that yearns for simpler times. These activities of course can exist without the need for the aesthetic side yet it also gives a sense of exploration to cultivate one's sense of fashion and view on what works for them aesthetically.
I still feel like there's a performative aspect to both cottagecore and dark academia, though. I say this as someone who has a lifelong love of learning and was a reclusive nerd as a teenager (and still a bit as an adult) due to my genuine, obsessive love of history, classic literature, etc....it would feel more authentic if it wasn't plastered all over tiktok and other socials. I saw a post the other day that said "random things to research when you're bored #academia edition" and my first thought was "ah yes, get smart for the *~*aesthetic*~*" If you're studying greek myths so you can feel like the main character in gothic victorian girls' boarding school mystery, I guess you do you, boo. But playing a role will get tiring and "____core" will be discarded in a few months anyway.
@@moriahw3947 wow that sounds extremely gait-keepy directed mostly at teenagers that are still trying to find themselves. And if they do find that they fit within Dark academia because they discover they do like Greek myths isn't it logical that they would return to find what else that community recommends? The 'I am a lifelong learner and I don't like it when teenagers are in the library with some Bernadette Banner clothes and trying out if they like wuthering heights' sounds very snobbish to me. While social media is always selective it's also not healthy to pretend as if every cottage core account acted out baking for a video but had secretly bought a cake from the grocery.
@@tvdsje I don't have a problem with people liking Wuthering Heights or whatever, I just have a problem with people doing it FOR *the aesthetic*. If you love classic literature and old clothes etc, go for it of course. but if you're doing it TO fit INTO a trend, it's kind of icky, no matter what the trend is.
@@moriahw3947 it always happened with music. But eventually, good tastes stick to people. If not, at least they read something.
The issue here is that both of these aesthetics actually aren't connected to the activities that they aesthetically identify. While reading has an aesthetic function within dark academia, you couldn't conversely say that the standalone aesthetic of reading is in any way connected to dark academia. Similarly, cottagecore has associated activities, but these activities are all normal activities that are only related to cottagecore because they're viewed as connected to the aesthetic that cottagecore puts forward in a historically aesthetic way, not in a fundamental way. What cottagecore and dark academia are born out of isn't actually these "related" activities, but, instead, several different aesthetics from recent history; aesthetics which were popular among people who would have engaged with their respective "related activities."
I've always been asked where my style comes from and my answer is always the same: 1. my older sister bc she always dressed super cool and 2. Japanese magazines. It was the fact that you could tell that they really owned their style and had this confidence to wear whatever it was! It most definitely felt really authentic. You can 100% tell the difference between someone wearing their clothes, and the clothes wearing the person. I currently live in Seoul and when fashion week comes around, alot of people around the Seoul Fashion week venue definitely fit into the latter.
About the current trend cycle- recently to me it has always reminded me of Harajuku fashion, and your video just solidified my take! If I had to put myself into a category, I am most definitely a maximalist from my style to my home decor, I just love owning a whole bunch of things that make me happy :) With that said I've always thought maximalism as something that stemmed from my 1st gen immigrant upbringing, when you don't have much you growing up- more is always more because you don't know when you'll have it again. Thanks for the lovely video Mina!
Great comment, and great point about maximalism stemming from honouring and preserving the small things while growing up.
for real though, japanese street style, especially older stuff, they just do what they want and it's not "goth" or "emo" x-core or any label it's always just uniquely that person's style, sometimes matching some niche community but a lot of the time not even that. it's really cool
@@mare_yams thank you so much Maryam!! :3
@@overgrownkudzu yes exactly! They are just expressing their creativity and just themselves~
This comment was a lovely read, hope you have a good day! ^^
Mina just does a whole research presentation with references and arguments for fun, i love her
the first thing that came to my mind when talking about maximalism and layering was definitely disney channel back in the day (like in Shake it up), and although it wasnt normalized to dress that way then, it's coming back now and tiktokers like lolfashiondump definitely bring that feel to their outfits. it really reminds me of mid-early 2000s fashion for bratz dolls and disney channel outfits overall and i personally love it bc 12 year old me would have loved to dress like that to school
See, I love maximalism when it's really intentional and unique to the individual. It's like seeing a part of their soul. I hate that fast fashion brands have watered it down and sucked the individuality out of it.
yes!!
Made me think of the elderly women who all have their color they like, the green lady, the pink lady etc. I think they are true maximalist and I love their style a lot
my friend used to live next to a purple lady. she had all purple furniture, a purple house, purple yard and purple rocks, she even changed her last name to purple
@@user-il8bl7fh9v so people can call her ms purple 😭 that is so maximalist
I want to become forget-me-not kaftan lady
@@beebikinis and live somewhere coastal I guess? That should be amazing.
@@user-il8bl7fh9v that has cluedo vibes haha
girl i would LOVE an indie magazine for fashion. i serially collected old vogue magazines for a while and (before knowing clutter core was a thing) plastered my walls with pictures of vintage outfits and "weird" style choices. definitely became "the weird girl" everyone always looked at me as and i love it! Im all for this idea.
FRANKIE magazine used to fit this bill, not sure what is around now?
I think it is interesting you noted that quarantine gave way to an influx in social media usage. With that, people spent more time online and more time acknowledging that lifestyles do not have to adhere to trends. For example, before quarantine we saw young teens adhering to the “vsco girl” lifestyle because it was popular on all social media platforms. As quarantine began, people started posting their life’s, their clothing style, and etc. which allowed other users to understand that there were different ways of living, different ways to wear clothes and more. The goth style, cottage core style, athleusire wear, streetwear, old money aesthetics, all lived simultaneously. There wasn’t one style that was more popular or “excepted” than the other unlike in the past where one style was the standard. Adherence to social norms became old and basic, while self expression became interesting and desirable. I think that specifically is what gave way the maximalist style.
the thing i find off-puffing about the tik tok trend cycle is that it prompts people to base their supposed individual style/taste entirely on what others deem desirable & stylish. like there’s a distinct lack of originality in all these aesthetics, whether it be “ballet-core”, “old money”, “NYC fashion student maximalist”, “coquette”, etc
right? i actually shy away from these communities bcuz it's... mildly uncanny. like. is that ur actual personal style, or do u just wanna fit into an 'aesthetic' mold that u saw on ur feed?
Clutter Core really is bothering me.
Those examples are not clutter. Cutter means unorganized. Those rooms are all decorated with thought and intention. Once you start organizing anything by color shape ect. It is no longer clutter.
Eclectic is already a word that means a whole room full of interesting things.
I don't agree with your last sentence, I don't think so. When on the topic of interior design, eclectic just means taking things from different design styles and combining them in the space. Say you have a chippendale queen anne desk paired with an industrial stool, whether or not you put anything on it for accessorizing, that is technically already considered eclectic. An all-white dining room with full-on picture frame molding and ghost chairs is already eclectic, but it's still minimal. Maximalist styles don't necessarily have to be eclectic either, like say Victorian era interiors, or opulent rococo styles.
I see your point on clutter being associated with mess, but in this use case I think it can simply be a synonym for accessory. The way I see it, using words like "cluttered" or "maximalist" serves as the descriptor that clarifies the manner of decoration. Not the biggest fan of the " ---- core" labels tiktok likes to slap on things, but I still appreciate that it differentiates the contemporary interpretations of these styles.
Good to know! Because I always say my house is clutter core, even though I felt like it was actually just messy, but in the way you put it, I'm actually doing it right 😁👍
It's funny because i remember loving my great grandmothers farm house before she passed in 2014. She really had cluttercore down to a T haha! She was also lowkey a hoarder that took us weeks to help move all her stuff out... but anyways
Clutter core, yeah, my memories of growing up in a hoarder house and the humiliation and stress it caused me for years is not gonna put me on board with that one.
@@mariakiwi1428 I can understand that. I'm a lowkey hoarder and my house is very full and easily quite messy. I like my house and my stuff, but I don't like the amount and the clutter it creates and sometimes I get really depressed over the state of my house 😕
Mina I absolutely loved the flow of the video. Every second was enjoyable! From the lighthearted but well referenced conversation, to the visual stimulation of text, video AND photo reference, along with actual quotes from sources, this was a treat to watch from start to finish. Thank you for all the effort in editing and researching the topic!
I love how you bring so much information to back up everything that you’re saying. I can see that you truly love fashion and the history and culture behind it. Plus your editing is very nice! All of this makes your videos very interesting to watch. Thank you for the hard work you put in :) you also have amazing outfits
It was a lot easier to find weird stuff in the thrift store in the 2000s because the vast majority was wearing Hollister and other mall brands. These days it would be impossible to support such a widespread trend without mass production. Not to mention there are way more kids today than there were 20-30 years ago
Yes, and also there are way more kids thrift shopping now!! I’m just 23 but even 10 years ago when I was a young teen from a poor immigrant household, I could get SO MUCH cool shit at the thrift store. But now, with the way that thrifting has becoming so popular, it’s hard to find cute stuff anymore because they get sucked up so fast. Thrifting isn’t nearly as fun anymore :((
It’s impossible to find anything at goodwill or the larger donation shops, it’s all shein type crap. There aren’t any (imo overpriced) curated thrift shops where I live, even the thrift stores in the richer neighborhoods have nothing of good quality (because of the resellers). It just sucks, especially if you don’t have much money and were relying on thrift stores to get cheap clothing.
@@steff6146 not just thrift shopping but over buying/hoarding and then reselling at a much higher rate online. A lot of influencers say their depop or poshmark is a "business" but it's really just price gouging.
@@steff6146 yes and people do massive thrift store scoops to resell for more on depop! I feel even worse for low income families who rely on thrift stores for their primary source of clothing, but I am still salty or myself that even mid finds cost 5x as much as they used to
I realise how old I'm getting when I see how many styles come around again and again but now living with a 4y.o. I can't help but notice that the current trend of maximalism looks exactly like when you let a toddler dress themselves. From a psychological point of view I wonder if in some degree it's a type of regression mechanism to deal with the global ptsd but that might be thinking too deeply about it.
i personally think so too. the rise of 2000's and the 2010s is definitely because of nostalgia of an era where people feel better focusing on the past than the seemingly hopeless future, especially during the heights of the pandemic.
that regression mechanism is a good point! in fact i feel like a lot of people are catering to their "inner child" when dressing eclectic/maximalist
I think it's important to remember that we also lose clarity as we grow up, and just because something is similar to childhood doesn't mean it's regressive. I would say when it comes to positive self-image, it's beautiful to be able to grasp the kind of pride and interest in yourself dressing up could give you as a little kid. I haven't dressed like myself in ages due to depression and insecurity, but I bet if my 4 year old self were here, he could get me to have a fun time picking out my clothes.
I have pictures of me as a little kid dressing in the maximalist style lol
yep people are dressing like toddlers
I really love your personal aesthetic. 30s silent film darling meets 90s drew barrymore? It suits you so well
I was obsessed with decora in high school in the late 2000s and wore it heavily. I lived in the American south too, so you KNOW I got some looks lmao. I was definitely one of the weird fashion girls. Its so cool seeing it come back more widespread in an evolved form!
u r who i aspired to be as a child! thank u for ur service
YESS Me to I was a closted trans boy living in the outback of Australia and so many days of my life were spent looking at Fruits magazine all day.
I always wanted to do the whole decora style back on high school! I was obsessed with those chunky phone cases decorated to look like desserts but they were so expensive and I think my parents would've had a heart attack if I dressed like that too 😂
@@jellyfishgarden LMAO me too, I bought a bunch of squishies from a dollar store and attached them to my phone!!
I was doing that in Russia!
Back in the 90s, my friends used to call it “why be normal-core”. My ex said about a girl “she looks like she buys her thrift clothes by the pound, and wears them all at once”
I love that description! Both of them.
I loved the Zipper and Fruits magazine. They're so expensive but I saved up to buy them. Such unique styles! Thank you for all these fashion history lessons!
I love the way you explain things. Your videos are so informative and personal.
Me wearing Harajuku inspired styles in high school: got bullied for it.
It sucks how styles are made fun of, and then suddenly are popular and in style😅
I think that's just how it is when trends come back around - the new generation searches the past for the best, most hidden gems. It makes me happy! I wish I could tell 14yo me that everyone is into my favorite styles now. Like, I don't have kids but this is the next best thing lol
It's frustrating in a way. I know i should feel happy but I'm also jealous💀
@@mrpurple11 well now is your chance! People are less judgmental now, express yourself!!
@@idkmynametbh416 people are very much still judgmental. People hop on trends and then when it dies down they go back to hating it.
@@h1l1ght420 that’s also true, but if your being yourself don’t care what others think
Nothing is funnier then the same girlies who tore me apart for wearing fairy kei in middle school now trying to recreate the mass produced version of that same style.
Yeah as someone who is interested in alot of obscure subcultures it's kinda weird like I want more people to be interested in these things I like but the thought of people who made fun of these people and are now pretending that they were always interested in this makes my blood boil.
just want to say i'm obsessed with your videos! i thought i had pop culture knowledge, but the research you make and also what you already know is amazing. great job. if you had a podcast, i'd definitely listen to it.
Love love love this video, everything was well said & broken down in a way multiple generations can digest. Workkkk queen
as someone who likes things neat and simple..this trend is just making me go crazy because there is literally so much going on😭😭
same, i much prefer minimalistic things and this trend messes with my eyes 😭
actually, people don't dress up to please you ❤
@@incandescentglow222 actually people don't dress up to please you ❤
honestly im the opposite, minimalism makes me rlly sad because theres no personality in it, vs maximalism where its super personal abd colourful
@@kukix.x i didn't say there's a problem with how they dress, it's perfectly fine. just not for me
I am a mid-size person, and I have to say that maximalism (while I LOVE the look) has never felt safe for me. A lot of the people that are praised for this style are thin, have conventionally attractive bodies, and wouldn't be shamed for the way their body looks. Because my body attracts criticism from people just by existing, the thought of attracting more criticism through campy, maximalist styles makes me really nervous 😓 And for my thin friends out there, for my, "wear whatever you want!!! What other people say doesn't matter!" friends, know that your positivity is uninformed at best, and toxic at worst 😫 You might not fully understand what it's like to be midsize or fat in this world, and it's pretty brutal tbh
That's rough :( i may well be in the uninformed positivity camp and this is unsolicited advice, but I wonder if you can take some baby steps and build up to it? Not do the entire look but pick some items/elements you love and try one at a time. If people are shitty you can always go back to blending in :) I'm also in the boat of not dressing how I'd like to (mostly because of lack of money and difficulty finding the things i want because I'm picky) and it's like the style i want is so far i feel like i'll never get there -_- but giving up completely also feels sad.
so true!! i actually love wearing mismatching patterns, colors, silouetthes,etc BUT i can't help but feel a little uncomfortable when not wearing more conventionally "flattering" styles for a mid size body. like wearing things that are as u said more campy or striking just makes me fees a bit unsafe!!! and i wish it wasn't like that!!
Yes! I’ve seen thin girls on tik tok that layer and layer to the point where their silhouette looks bulgy but they don’t receive the criticism for looking “frumpy” or “big,” it’s just fun styling for them.
I get you. The team "wear what you want" while well meaning aren't that helpful. Let's be honest tho. Harajuku in its peak took place in Japan were fat bodies are treated badly. When I was a teenager those in alternative circles who were fat or midsize and dare to use this styles were made fun of. Now this eclectic trend is in a way also manufactured with brands playing along the trend and quick consumerism of gen Z. In that manufacture you get social media and... let's not forget tiktok algorithm that suppress certain videos depending on their level of attractiveness.
@@paularopo3492 the baby steps is a good advice