This bike is a monster, and a lot of fun to ride. It is also illegal in most if not all european countries. The only reason it has pedals is so you can fake it if you come across the rozzers. Buyer beware indeed!
It’s limited to 25km/h just like the e-bike I’ve been riding for 8 years here. That e bike is also able to be de districted as are most if not all 50cc petrol scooters.!
Yup, here in Spain they could throw the book at you for this one if you take it on the public road / cycle paths. The power limit here is 250W like most other EU countries and the throttle control is a no-no. Most of these ebikes can have the 25 kmh restriction removed with a simple sequence of "hidden" (easy to find on TH-cam) key presses - a hack that could land you in deeper water with the cops. Caveat emptor, indeed. PS It's a cool bike and I'm seriously considering the Engwe L20. The 250W limit is stupid and doubtless invented by bureaucrats from a flat country like Netherlands! 350W minimum is much more practical.
Good review Tim, Sorry I missed this when you uploaded it but I didn't get the alert. Thanks for the heads-up on this one. Seems like an exceptional value with the bit of rear suspension and 750W motor. As someone who prefers to build his own ebikes I've not seen any off the rack ebikes I'd consider until this one. Mainly for the full suspension, larger motor, throttle and the open frame area where you could mount a larger and safer Lithium Iron Phosphate battery and larger controller and ditch the Li-Ion packs I won't charge a large Li-Ion pack in my home or near anything flammable or valuable. Looking at the order options I'd likely skip the second battery as one 13ah should be more range than most people's backsides.
Candance based system needs the cranks arms to turn at least one revolution before the motor kicks in where as a torque base kicks in the moment you start to push away far more responsive maybe that’s why there’s a throttle . As for the bike looks very smart but totally illegal to ride here in the UK and EU though possible for your US viewers. As always well presented and demonstrated.
It’s limited to 25km/h just like the e-bike I’ve been riding for 8 years here. That e bike is also able to be de districted as are most if not all 50cc petrol scooters.!
I know its been said here before, and the same copied reply has been pasted about it being restricted in speed...BUT...here in the UK at least, any throttle means it must be registered as a moped, regardless of the speed restriction or motor size. As for the motor, it must cut out at 250w continuous power, so again regardless of said speed restriction, it mustn't use that last 500w of power. Whether that part is restricted, very hard to tell.
This is a tricky one, the CE-certificate they refer to is about electromagnetic radiation, not if it confirms to EU pedelec rules. The throttle is deactivated at sale to confirm with EU but can easily be activated by a video they link to. The 250W motor rule is a bit flexible, the EU 250W motor can produce more power in short bursts so maybe the they refer 750W to that. If they actually have 750W and throttle they are a moped and not an ebike/pedelec!
It’s limited to 25km/h just like the e-bike I’ve been riding for 8 years here. That e bike is also able to be de districted as are most if not all 50cc petrol scooters.!
If it can propel itself without pedal assist means illegal in the uk, don’t know the rules in France though. Love your channel, please don’t sell out to freebies though
You are looking quite fit and sturdy, Tim. All of those entrecôtes and magrets de canard are putting some meat on your bones. One quibble with the bike: not enough batteries. You could sneak a third one under the saddle.
Saw 3 of these and a few Engine Pro's on the back of a MET Police truck in central London. If you enable the throttle and unlock the top speed, they'll crush it no refunds. If you disable the throttle and have the controller locked at 15.5mph top, they'll let you keep it.
It weighs 46kg with the two batts (ooer), and 35 without batts. according to Engwe website. Also, the brakes are cable operated discs, that's the phrase you may have been groping for Tim :o)
Is it legal on French roads with that big motor and throttle? I thought EU regs limited eBikes to 250 w and peddle assist, otherwise it's a moped and requires a licence, or is there an additional group of bikes in France?
It’s limited to 25km/h just like the e-bike I’ve been riding for 8 years here. That e bike is also able to be de districted as are most if not all 50cc petrol scooters.!
@@MeandMonAmi If it's de-restricted then it's probably illegal. The law is the law. Whether it's adhered to is another matter. Unless France has additional vehicle categories that allow a wide range of eBikes ( Like the USA) then anything that allows assistance without peddling probably needs a licence. I know there has been consideration in the EU and UK to add more powerful eBikes to the existing category, but AFAIK nothing has changed yet.
@@Paul-yh8km it’s not de restricted. Neither is my e bike but it’s possible to do on virtually all e bikes as most have much higher power available to them
@@MeandMonAmi in the review the screen shots of the specs clearly show 47mph top speed, and it’s a 750watt motor, not allowed, even if restricted, without a license, this makes it an electric moped(motorised pedal cycle).
Possibly Hydraulic brakes Tim (and the tyres would be pneumatic). The other word for battery capacity I think you were struggling for would probably be 'Vampires'. Talking of 'Pneumatic' maybe with the view in the background, Aldous Huxley comes to my mind for some reason...
Mister Me and Mister Boo, 100% size matters alright 😂looks a bit of a beast this Tim, & easy to get the leg over😂😂😂😂stay safe and well and obviously stay charged 👍 🎉
I had to laugh, when you first called it an ENGWE bike, I thought you were trying to tell us it was an angry bike with a little bit of Elmer Fudd thrown in. Also, is it just me or did the horn sound a bit like Herbie?
If I were buying an ebike that put out well over the 250W limit and had a thumb throttle fitted I'd at least buy one that doesn't *look* like a motorbike to attract even more police attention...
Love the review, however please wear a helmet, I know of three fellow cyclists who’ve been saved by them ❤️ I know I’m nannying but I’d be gutted if you got hurt.
Looks very cool 👍 Is the saddle height adjustable because it doesn’t look like it. Checked the pricing, anything from about £800 to £1200 here in the Uk.
Les gouts et les couleurs on ne discute pas, that’s what springs to mind here. To me it looks very basic and with no shock absorbers or adjustable saddle a no go for me with my bad back. I think the heavy weight is camouflaged well by the strong motor. Wonder if you did do up hill bits to check. But have fun!
Really Tim, not a fan of these things at all. They bomb past me on the velo path at huge speed (yes must be doctored ones) without warning. The seat looked too low for you and if it cannot be altered, then another clue it's actually a motor bike in disguise. All 'real' velo's can have the seat height fitted to your size. * Finally, full disclosure, I have no medical training at all, but please always wear a casque riding such things. Having come off my road velo (Trek Emonda) a few times, my head would have cracked like an egg without one, even at low speed. Ground is very hard!
@@MeandMonAmi Well she was talking rather loudly to her kid, then suddenly disappeared. 😂 I was half expecting to see two bodies floating offshore after the edit. 😬👍🏼
Although we left the EU, their rules still apply and so this bike is another example of the Yanks having all of the fun. Too much red tape involved in getting this 750W bike on the road to comply with PC Plod. You might as well get an Electric motorcycle of even higher wattage and and all of that VIN plate stuff pre-sorted with the initial purchase. The UK government are only interested in Eco fascism when it means that they can make money out it. City Tolls, Tax, MOT fees, Registration fees and any other way of squeezing the joy out of anything.
It’s limited to 25km/h just like the e-bike I’ve been riding for 8 years here. That e bike is also able to be de districted as are most if not all 50cc petrol scooters.!
@@MeandMonAmi The law knows that they can be de-restricted, that is why they are supposed to be no more than 250W motors. Yeah you can still buy them but technically it is illegal. They still sell e-scooters online, but they're illegal too unless used on private land.
The UK cycling infrastructure isn't suitable yet for more powerful ebikes and there are plenty of people that don't even like current pedelecs. There may be a case for an additional category that would be road legal but not legal on current cycling infrastructure. The USA has a completely different road and built infrastructure to the UK so a direct comparison is not valid.
This ‘fat-bike’ has got a veey bad reputation because the mostly youngster have no clue from and respect for teaffic rules and other participants in traffic.
I drive a lot in the city in Spain with heavy traffic, trams and pedestrians. I see cars, bikes and, especially, e-scooters jumping red lights all the time. In roughly 10% of cases this is absolutely not cool at all where some traffic (i.e. me in my car) is stopped at a pedestrian crossing red light and some (bleep) zooms through the red light to overtake me with zero visibility whether someone is crossing the road. But, yeah, on a bicycle at six in the morning on Sunday with absolutely nobody else around, I have ignored a red light or two.
This bike is a monster, and a lot of fun to ride. It is also illegal in most if not all european countries. The only reason it has pedals is so you can fake it if you come across the rozzers. Buyer beware indeed!
It’s limited to 25km/h just like the e-bike I’ve been riding for 8 years here. That e bike is also able to be de districted as are most if not all 50cc petrol scooters.!
@@MeandMonAmi the above poster is correct though. To be a legal pedelec in the EU, a throttle is not allowed. Only pedal assist.
Yup, here in Spain they could throw the book at you for this one if you take it on the public road / cycle paths. The power limit here is 250W like most other EU countries and the throttle control is a no-no. Most of these ebikes can have the 25 kmh restriction removed with a simple sequence of "hidden" (easy to find on TH-cam) key presses - a hack that could land you in deeper water with the cops. Caveat emptor, indeed.
PS It's a cool bike and I'm seriously considering the Engwe L20. The 250W limit is stupid and doubtless invented by bureaucrats from a flat country like Netherlands! 350W minimum is much more practical.
Wonderful review, you are good enough to present on the shopping channels.
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Good review Tim, Sorry I missed this when you uploaded it but I didn't get the alert. Thanks for the heads-up on this one. Seems like an exceptional value with the bit of rear suspension and 750W motor. As someone who prefers to build his own ebikes I've not seen any off the rack ebikes I'd consider until this one. Mainly for the full suspension, larger motor, throttle and the open frame area where you could mount a larger and safer Lithium Iron Phosphate battery and larger controller and ditch the Li-Ion packs I won't charge a large Li-Ion pack in my home or near anything flammable or valuable.
Looking at the order options I'd likely skip the second battery as one 13ah should be more range than most people's backsides.
16k subscribers and counting! Well Done Lads!
Thanks Very much and please spread the word. Every little helps!
I like the style and performance, looks great.
Beautiful bike, and not as expensive as i had imagined. I think I'm in love. 😍
I think it’s well priced as a fun mode of e transport!
Candance based system needs the cranks arms to turn at least one revolution before the motor kicks in where as a torque base kicks in the moment you start to push away far more responsive maybe that’s why there’s a throttle . As for the bike looks very smart but totally illegal to ride here in the UK and EU though possible for your US viewers. As always well presented and demonstrated.
It’s limited to 25km/h just like the e-bike I’ve been riding for 8 years here. That e bike is also able to be de districted as are most if not all 50cc petrol scooters.!
I know its been said here before, and the same copied reply has been pasted about it being restricted in speed...BUT...here in the UK at least, any throttle means it must be registered as a moped, regardless of the speed restriction or motor size. As for the motor, it must cut out at 250w continuous power, so again regardless of said speed restriction, it mustn't use that last 500w of power. Whether that part is restricted, very hard to tell.
This is a tricky one, the CE-certificate they refer to is about electromagnetic radiation, not if it confirms to EU pedelec rules. The throttle is deactivated at sale to confirm with EU but can easily be activated by a video they link to. The 250W motor rule is a bit flexible, the EU 250W motor can produce more power in short bursts so maybe the they refer 750W to that. If they actually have 750W and throttle they are a moped and not an ebike/pedelec!
It’s limited to 25km/h just like the e-bike I’ve been riding for 8 years here. That e bike is also able to be de districted as are most if not all 50cc petrol scooters.!
If it can propel itself without pedal assist means illegal in the uk, don’t know the rules in France though. Love your channel, please don’t sell out to freebies though
@@chatters7969 nonsense.. my bike came with throttle in uk, and DVSA certified legal.
What an ace bike!
You are looking quite fit and sturdy, Tim. All of those entrecôtes and magrets de canard are putting some meat on your bones. One quibble with the bike: not enough batteries. You could sneak a third one under the saddle.
Saw 3 of these and a few Engine Pro's on the back of a MET Police truck in central London. If you enable the throttle and unlock the top speed, they'll crush it no refunds. If you disable the throttle and have the controller locked at 15.5mph top, they'll let you keep it.
That’s how we have ours
There’s nothing better than a midweek @meandmonami video from sunny Villefranche ❤
Yes. Absolutely love a mid week Meanandmonami
It weighs 46kg with the two batts (ooer), and 35 without batts. according to Engwe website. Also, the brakes are cable operated discs, that's the phrase you may have been groping for Tim :o)
Groping indeed!
A US TH-cam review on the Engwe UK website takes a curate’s egg view of the M20. Notably, the reviewer refers to the machine as an ‘E-moped’.
Surprised you didn’t pull over for a Pan Bagnat at La Praia !😊
Who says he didn’t?😂
I was very tempted!
And that upper battery is a tad too close to the wedding tackle!!
Looks wonderful and I am very partial to the occasional “toot up me oohjah kapivy” so maybe I should invest 😉
Worth it for the phrase alone!
Cable brakes though! Anyone buying this bike, get yourself some Magura MT5e's immediately, better yet, put 203mm disk rotors on first!
Beautiful day for a brilliant review. Love that bad as machine. I wonder if they deliver to New Zealand? 😊😊😊
Fingers crossed!
Is it legal on French roads with that big motor and throttle?
I thought EU regs limited eBikes to 250 w and peddle assist, otherwise it's a moped and requires a licence, or is there an additional group of bikes in France?
It requires a license, number plate (so must be registered), a helmet & insurance in any EU Member State.
It’s limited to 25km/h just like the e-bike I’ve been riding for 8 years here. That e bike is also able to be de districted as are most if not all 50cc petrol scooters.!
@@MeandMonAmi
If it's de-restricted then it's probably illegal.
The law is the law. Whether it's adhered to is another matter.
Unless France has additional vehicle categories that allow a wide range of eBikes ( Like the USA) then anything that allows assistance without peddling probably needs a licence.
I know there has been consideration in the EU and UK to add more powerful eBikes to the existing category, but AFAIK nothing has changed yet.
@@Paul-yh8km it’s not de restricted. Neither is my e bike but it’s possible to do on virtually all e bikes as most have much higher power available to them
@@MeandMonAmi in the review the screen shots of the specs clearly show 47mph top speed, and it’s a 750watt motor, not allowed, even if restricted, without a license, this makes it an electric moped(motorised pedal cycle).
Very interesting but what a price! 🤗
Possibly Hydraulic brakes Tim (and the tyres would be pneumatic). The other word for battery capacity I think you were struggling for would probably be 'Vampires'.
Talking of 'Pneumatic' maybe with the view in the background, Aldous Huxley comes to my mind for some reason...
I’m saying nowt!
Do you need to have both batteries on it ?
Nope
“My wig blew off” 😂😂😂😂😂
It did!
Nice.
pneumatic would be air
hydraulic would be oil/liquid
Mister Me and Mister Boo, 100% size matters alright 😂looks a bit of a beast this Tim, & easy to get the leg over😂😂😂😂stay safe and well and obviously stay charged 👍 🎉
David!!;
@@MeandMonAmi 😆
I'm not sure it qualifies as a s pedelec.
I'd love to see a review of an electric scooter/moped.
Do you know anyone with one, Tim?
I think I might!
The bikes got more battery capacity than Elton 😂
I might borrow em!
I had to laugh, when you first called it an ENGWE bike, I thought you were trying to tell us it was an angry bike with a little bit of Elmer Fudd thrown in. Also, is it just me or did the horn sound a bit like Herbie?
It does. ENGWE Herbie goes to MonteCarlo!
If I were buying an ebike that put out well over the 250W limit and had a thumb throttle fitted I'd at least buy one that doesn't *look* like a motorbike to attract even more police attention...
I’m thinking you need a helmet !😮
If Engwe is your dream ebike then you haven't seen anything
Ingredients is a leopard in Zulu.😅
Après moi, le déluge--if you can't drive a motorized bike. The politicians work for you folks. Educate them.
Love the review, however please wear a helmet, I know of three fellow cyclists who’ve been saved by them ❤️
I know I’m nannying but I’d be gutted if you got hurt.
We do on our bike bikes I promise!
It has the riding position of a childrens BMX and 0% spares support from China??
Looks very cool 👍
Is the saddle height adjustable because it doesn’t look like it. Checked the pricing, anything from about £800 to £1200 here in the Uk.
No sadly is fixed it’s very much like a chopper bike.
@@MeandMonAmi
Ok thanks. No surprise then that Mr.Boo didn’t take it for a spin 😉
Les gouts et les couleurs on ne discute pas, that’s what springs to mind here. To me it looks very basic and with no shock absorbers or adjustable saddle a no go for me with my bad back. I think the heavy weight is camouflaged well by the strong motor. Wonder if you did do up hill bits to check. But have fun!
Really Tim, not a fan of these things at all. They bomb past me on the velo path at huge speed (yes must be doctored ones) without warning. The seat looked too low for you and if it cannot be altered, then another clue it's actually a motor bike in disguise. All 'real' velo's can have the seat height fitted to your size.
* Finally, full disclosure, I have no medical training at all, but please always wear a casque riding such things. Having come off my road velo (Trek Emonda) a few times, my head would have cracked like an egg without one, even at low speed. Ground is very hard!
@@stephencharles6932 indeed I wear my helmet on my e bike!
Sorry Tim. What did you say about the bike? I was looking at that woman's bum behind you. :)
She was quite a star wasn’t she!?
@@MeandMonAmi Well she was talking rather loudly to her kid, then suddenly disappeared. 😂 I was half expecting to see two bodies floating offshore after the edit. 😬👍🏼
@@Gary-Seven-and-Isis-in-1968 Not that one, Gary. I meant the one sitting on the sand. :)
I think she knew. Shaking that bum
Although we left the EU, their rules still apply and so this bike is another example of the Yanks having all of the fun.
Too much red tape involved in getting this 750W bike on the road to comply with PC Plod. You might as well get an
Electric motorcycle of even higher wattage and and all of that VIN plate stuff pre-sorted with the initial purchase.
The UK government are only interested in Eco fascism when it means that they can make money out it.
City Tolls, Tax, MOT fees, Registration fees and any other way of squeezing the joy out of anything.
There are hundreds of similar on the streets here and shops selling them
It’s limited to 25km/h just like the e-bike I’ve been riding for 8 years here. That e bike is also able to be de districted as are most if not all 50cc petrol scooters.!
@@MeandMonAmi The law knows that they can be de-restricted, that is why they are supposed to be no more than 250W motors. Yeah you can still buy them but technically it is illegal. They still sell e-scooters online, but they're illegal too unless used on private land.
The UK cycling infrastructure isn't suitable yet for more powerful ebikes and there are plenty of people that don't even like current pedelecs.
There may be a case for an additional category that would be road legal but not legal on current cycling infrastructure.
The USA has a completely different road and built infrastructure to the UK so a direct comparison is not valid.
@@Gary-Seven-and-Isis-in-1968 but decathlon sell them and there must be thousands on the roads here
This ‘fat-bike’ has got a veey bad reputation because the mostly youngster have no clue from and respect for teaffic rules and other participants in traffic.
I think many normal cyclists jump red lights (myself included at times)
I drive a lot in the city in Spain with heavy traffic, trams and pedestrians. I see cars, bikes and, especially, e-scooters jumping red lights all the time. In roughly 10% of cases this is absolutely not cool at all where some traffic (i.e. me in my car) is stopped at a pedestrian crossing red light and some (bleep) zooms through the red light to overtake me with zero visibility whether someone is crossing the road.
But, yeah, on a bicycle at six in the morning on Sunday with absolutely nobody else around, I have ignored a red light or two.