The non opening windows would worry me. You would need the air con running nearly all the time. Not just to keep cool but on rainy humid days those windows would need constant demisting. Cute little car and i liked the fit and finish on it. Full marks to the lady for her grasp of Yorkshian 😅😅😂
The Silence S04 in the 90km/h Version with full battery that with AC gives you 70km range, 100 in town, STARTS at 16000 Euros. It is way to expensive, even thou the batteries can be taken out and charges at home, big bonus. But like the microlino (going over 20000) its too expensive. For that money you can buy a Dacia Spring, a real car. The ELi also goes over the 10000 mark but gives you AC, a feature that in the south of France or here in Spain can not be payed with gold. I have AC in my AMI but it was over 2000Euros to fit plus you lose the storage in the front for a separate Battery as it is not connected to the drive battery, the range would plummet.
@@MeandMonAmi Used Honda e ? I'm a Yorkshireman (although the dodgy South Yorkshire breed) and I love my Honda e. Also not very practical and short range but oh so desirable. Now £10k used.
@@MeandMonAmi Just avoid the NON ASHP version, we all know what a range drain they are. The dacia is not much different from the battery capacity of an early nissan leaf, so you would have range, but going bigger means all those tiny streets you go down currently would be likely impossible, BUT you could load 2 e-scooters in the boot & revert to those, ..so an option. What we do need to know (research please Tim & Mr B) is why the dacia spring is limited to 30 kWh charging (but 80 mins to charge is nigh on 2/3 less than ami's right) !? Due to tim's style-eye, I cannot see anything at this point being sufficient for him that is not the ami, is not expensive, but does ooze charm ala elton, this makes it all a lot harder to suggest anything. I will take a punt though, an early gen but with a good battery leaf from circa 2015-17 gen 1 style with the frog eyes. large boot, ashp, air con etc etc..
Bravo! Vanessa knows her stuff and English is very good! It would be an interesting upgrade...but no side windows. Busted, Elton saw you driving Eli.,, :0
Excellent video. I had never heard of this model, so I'm glad you shared this with us. Chapeau to the sales lady for her English (I teach English up here in the Paris region, so I've heard all sorts of different levels). The quality between a French built sans permis and this Eli really is night and day. I'd say the finish is more akin to our 2012 Renault Grand Scenic, which makes my Mega Multitruck look and feel like sitting in a plastic porta-loo with a lawnmower engine. Methinks the 14 year olds these days have high expectations, as do their parents. Who probably got around on a 50cc twist & go scooter (also sans permis), which is now deemed too dangerous.
Thanks for identifying this vehicle😊 I have seen videos from Denmark and there seems to be plenty of these vehicles on the streets( not main highways),..love the color of Mr. Boo’s sweatshirt😊
It seems the biggest issue with the Citroen Ami was always the ventilation. You were always baking in the hot summers. This Eli doesn't seem to have any windows that open but it does have a sunroof. I suspect one will be using the air conditioning a lot which will eat into the range. The non-opening driver's side window could be an issue. Pulling a ticket at a parking garage to make the barrier go up will require pulling the Eli right up to the barrier and then getting out of the car and standing in front of the ticket dispensing machine. Not as convenient but doable. Maybe if two Eli's drove closely enough, they could both go through the barrier!
I agree with all you say about the Eli car, a pity about the no window opening, seems crazy! May be if you test drive as said already in hot weather you’ll find your answer. Maybe some other model will appear for you later! All best on the skin C. I’m having prostate zapped with radiotherapy soon! John in Monmouth 🏴
Just found your channel after mooching provence vids Weve just come back from looking at houses, moving from NW france, difficult finding something thatll help feed us in budget. Beautiful area tho. Villefranche looks nice. Good videos, too Despite the hills you couldnt get rid of Elton surely, its part of the channel. Anyhoo, binging your vids now
If you can somehow manage to put in the Ami an additional driving battery to drive 150 km on one charge, it will be good for the next 3 years reaching villages never thought of before.
Great video, very interesting. The Eli looks good apart from the non-opening windows. Shame they don't do an L7e version or it may have made our Twizy replacement list.
I love that '68 Stang and Saxo VTS on the car lift :-)
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⚜ Greetings, from Castle Saint James~ What a delightful tutorial! You two, are, as always, a real treat. It's possible, that the ventilation will be adequate at higher speeds and the AC could be turned off. Actually, though, this vehicle is probably, designed for short trips, close to home. Until later, James🛡
As an Aixam Crossline L7 diesel driver, i like the electric Ligier at 05:30. For my 2 dogs and equipment it would work. Side note, in Belgium you don't need a license if you are born before februari 1962. After that date you need an AM license, for moped, speedpedelec, mopedcar. As always, great video.❤
"Americans are a little bit taller... I would say."😜 Very diplomatic, excellente commerciale. She didn't get Eli is also a quite common name in North America.
The Eli appears to be a good little EV. Personally it’s let down by non opening windows. Really interesting review thought Tim. Another test drive would make a good video.
I really enjoyed this one (I always do!) but, like others, I'd find the absence of opening windows incredibly inconvenient and, for me, also a safety issue. I think you should have another test drive, this time with Twiggy, and get her to decide 🤣🤗
@johnwinters4201 my 30 kwhr Nissan leaf has degraded 42 % and 5 battery bars lost out of 12, in 8 3/4 years from when I bought it new and within the slightly more than 40 k miles that I have done. Don't be taken in, all lithium ion batteries degrade with time and use cycles. The depreciation in electric vehicles is massive compared to ice cars.
No no, we love Elton and there's an Ami driving around Marylebone complete with the UNION JACK roof. Everytime we see it we are reminded of you and Villefranche 😉
We have a Twizy and would like a Duo. Up until recently the Mobilize website only mentioned car sharing or leasing, now I see they changed their minds and you can buy them. I'll be checking with our local Renault dealer if they can get one here to Cyprus for me.
@@MeandMonAmi Agreed. Side by side seating would have been better. My absolute favourite of these microcars/ quadricycles is the XEV Yoyo which is an L7e quadricycle 90kph .Only problem is the price around 16k.
22:22 Easy openable side windows are also important active safety feature for full hybrid / electric cars. I have to yield many times when I can't see the main road for enough distance, but I lift down the side window, and I can hear the approaching vehicle a few long seconds before see it.That's priceless.
Pole position is a great name; when driving a slow car like my 2CV or an Ami you find yourself often first, with a long queue (french for tail!?) of cars behind you.
I prefer the Ligier for the 3k extra you seem to get a lot more. The Eli seems rather cramped and I think leg room is going to be an issue for big boy in my opinion.
More episodes of The Top Queer Show please! ❤ I love the Ami. Eli looks nice too I'm curious about your opinnions about other L6e (as wel as L7e) cars. , Ligier, Aixam, Renault Zoe, Renault Duo, Facelift Ami, and possibly other models
You should check the new Citroen E-C3, it is offering much more than the Dacia Spring (for the same price with the French government bonus if you live in France)
Now that's a very well made little electric city car/quadracycle and isn't "too" expensive considering the fit and finish. Really it's only around £3000 more than the Ami for a much better product. The only real minus is, as you mentioned, the lack of opening windows which makes some simple tasks a lot more difficult such as taking tickets from the machines or paying for parking at car parks, using drive thrus etc. again as you pointed out.
Mister Me and Mister Boo and Elton and Twiggy 🐕🐶well, luke everything, there's pluses & minuses, the buld quality being better than the ami, but the non opening windows is a negative point, the vehicle itself looks quite smart (my opinion) the upgraded ami will be worth looking at to compare with this Tim 😊 really good video this, stay safe and well and obviously stay charged 😊😊🎉
Cars for people who can't drive brings it to the point 😊. In Germany the limit for no license driving is 6 km for a car or similar. But below 25 you need only a very simple test.
Interesting, to see the Eli and thanks to Vanessa for hosting you and us. Looking forward to the extended drive and your take compared to Elton. I also lean more towards the Ami's minimalist implementation and Citroen's use of an a well proven industrial alternator and drive system. From the specs I'm seeing for the Eli, it looks like the Ami has a bit more horsepower on tap and a larger battery as well. Here in the U.S. were we have to have a driving license, low-speed electric vehicles are restricted in were you can drive them and a serviceable Used Nissan leaf can be had for under $5k, it's hard to make a buying case a for 25mph $12,000 Light EV but seems a good fit for urban and tourist locales. If Musk's robo-cabs ever become a reality one has to wonder if that could change a lot of what we take for granted.
Really interesting video, it’s a shame the windows don’t open on the doors but it seems a better build car than the Ami the opening hatch is amazing , it looks as Citroen may have to up their game and bring out a more refined version of the Ami , i’m sure there will be plenty more cars like this coming from China in the future.
Essayez la Baw E-pony, elle a une bonne autonomie, beaucoup d'options, 4 places, deplus en inclinant la banquette arrière, elle dispose d'un coffre conséquent pour sa taille.
Hi, as a sans permis car it seems pretty good. But as you have a license now for less you probably could get a 2nd hand dacia spring or another proper electric car.
The brand new price of that thing is about the same as the secondhand price of the Volkswagen e-Up. A secondhand e-Up is much more of a car, it has fast charging, you can drive it on the motorway, and it's a proper car.
It's not the same market : for instance in France an elderly widow without a driving license can drive an Eli but she can't drive a VW e-Up. Apples to oranges.
Cool. Thanks for showing us that. Definitely not a fan of no windows. And I wonder if the sunroof would even work once you're all loaded with your gear for camping? But also, I saw the results of a collision with an Ami and another microcar (with a similar "polished" plastic finish), and the Ami had almost no visible damage to its body work (fenders, etc), while the shiny plastic one was crumbled and crunched up pretty bad. I myself once forgot to set my parking brake in a parking lot, and accidentally rolled into the car in front of me. My Ami literally bounced right off of them. No damage to either car! So I kind of like the flexibility of its quirky body material, (and the no maintenance "paint" job). 😀 I do however, like the color options in the Eli, and the hatchback, air-con, and car-play screen make it (almost) worth the extra cost!
Yeah I think car play is easily bought for ami for less than £200 (carpuride etc) but air con etc is great. But you are right about the ami bodywork bouncing a bit!!
Why didn't you took a look at the Ligier Myli it's a way more luxurious car, with rolling down windows, CarPlay, Airconditioning, ABS, Rear camera. Decent boot space and way better seats.
Aircon or heating is what can drain the battery but in EVs if you use fans only that blow directly at you it uses very little electricity. We are probably talking about 50-150 watts. i.e don't turn the knob to cold or hot and leave in off mode. Just turn the strength of fan on the Eli. In context driving the vehicle you're using at least 10x as much.
Take a look also at the Mobilize Duo in the 80 km/h speed version. (Renault group) . They were presented in the automotive exhibition in Paris this week...
As an English man, many years ago at a party I asked a french girl that same question. Her reply, first, blowing cigarette smoke in my face, then with a curled lip she says, Non, absolument non!. I'm sorry to say I think it's just you! My french used to be, and to some extent still is fairly basic. But when buying our house in France it was nessecary to up my game especially understanding legal implications. Fortunately a friend recommended the Michelle Thomas conversational course. A basic but very logical approach to learning French and much easier than say Rosetta. Just a thought. Bon Chance!
Comprehensive review - thanks. Look forward to more. Maybe you can both try out the Renault Mobilize Duo. Citroen was far sighted and quite brave to release the Ami. Their sucess seems to have given confidence to other manufacturers, shaking up the market for Quadricycles making them less goofy and more appealing to mainstream potential buyers. No disrepect to owners of large 4x4's, but more often than not I see them in town with just the driver, seldom other passengers. While not appropriate for anything but urban use, I do hope these compact vehicles go some way to reverse the 'size is status - arms race'. While the original classification of a quadricycle was to say the least, very basic - these new versions are pushing much needed higher safety specs, notably air bags, which in 2024 should be standard anyway. Citroen will need to up their game with Ami 2.0.
It is a great pity this Eli is not so far here in the UK , as I for one, if I could get my license back from DVLA (Cataracts in both eyes), I buy one without a doubt. Looks superb and good price all be it in Euro's .
If you can bear to change from poor Elton, and I'm typing this quietly so he doesn't hear, you could get a s'h Dacia Spring for the same kind of money. Opening windows, a boot, goes more than 45 kmh, decent range even with air con going. Need a new channel name though. Me and my Spring A Spring in Provence A Spring in our steps Springing around the Riviera ...
The having no way to wind down or open a flap on the door windows is a bigger issue and design flaw than youd think, you need to be able to communicate through the door window, it would be a pain in the arse to go through a drive through (imagine going through a bottlo drive through or maccas, it would be a nightmare) Nar sorry id pass on this one, the build quantity was very impressive though and the range of colours, i do like the light blue colour.
I wonder how much it would cost to have the driver side cut and have an opening put in so you can open it, at least for parking tickets and drive thru. Not soft plastic but something like you put in a van when you make a camper conversion. Because that no window thing would be a deal breaker.
Once you were back in Elton, he seemed so much bigger and had opening windows! Then again, what will the range be actually like with the AC turned on in the Eli?? Another Tim & Mr Boo cliffhanger! Guessing the Mustang was of no interest :)
Not good that the windows of the Eli do not open, that can be a big limitation, otherwise it is a beautiful car. I will consider one when they change the windows, that will come sooner than later, it is the only flaw I can see but a big one.
To be honest all the big manufacturers need to take a leaf out of Eli's book. Great price, good finish, and much more useful than 20ft SUVs. Just a bit more range, what's not to like? You'll be surprised when you're at a car park and need an open window. They're not just for ventilation.
Talk to owners first. I doubt the air con can handle the temperatures you see. And the roof can't take your extra cargo. It's been around ten years now, which makes it ancient in the tech world.
We are curious about insurance. Do persons that drive these have to have insurance? What happens when they cause an accident? BTW we're enjoying you from right down the road in Menton. Nice to see the moon out tonight. Head to Nice on Friday thru Monday. Hopefully we might run into you guys.
Jai vu ces intéressantes micro-car a cap 3000 il y a quelques jours...3 couleurs exposées...les finitions sont tres belles ,l'assise est très bonne..et les matériaux valorisants..(cuir des sieges etc).mais ,l'absence de vitres latérales ouvrables me semble problématique....il faudrait s'assurer que la climatisation fonctionne de manière tres efficacement 😂...pour pas etre un mini-four en été.. Bonne journée a vous et votre Ami 😂👍
To be honest, if you are looking for a new Car, and it don,t has to be an Car without licence, and it shouldn't be to expensive, i would recommend somthing like a Leap motors T03 (about 19000€). The T03 should be available from Stellantis (Citroen) dealers from next spring, it has CCS (DC Fast Charge) Type 2 and can be charged with an adapter from a socket. The Range is about 165-250km. The price of some microcars is already close to the price of a much better small car. A small car also has a higher mandatory safety standard. This means proper side impact protection, airbags, a crumple zone, etc. As a driver of an electric Opel Corsa, I love your travel videos with elton. I always find it amazing what you can do with a Citroen Ami. Especially because other people ("normal Car" drivers) always tell me what I supposedly can't do with my electric car🙄.
Excellent midweek video, and no doubt that car is well-equipped, especially with air con and power steering. But not being able to open the windows is a big downside. Having the AC on all the time will definitely eat into the range! I don’t like the design either; the AMI is much more charming and pleasant. This one looks like a generic golf cart from some unknown brand, it lacks personality.
3 hours to charge it? is that on public charging or home charging. the massive down side I can see with the car is the sun roof, while good for letting air in in the summer due to it being forward facing, the massive down side being you will catch a lot of rain into the cabin when it rains, whereas a rear opening sunroof would be less of a rain capture.especially when you think going forwards in a car water will run up the windscreen not down.
you can now test the leapmotor T03, it is marketed by the stellantis distribution network (Peugeot, Fiat...), it is entitled to the bonus in France because it is manufactured in Poland, with a launch price of €18,000 - €4,000 Bonus, €14,000 remains to be paid
Dongfeng sells real ev car in Norway for less than 16000 euro. Even my Aixam E with the smallest battery costed only 4 grand less because we have zero tax on chinese cars here.
Tim, I have mentioned the early smart ED (electric drive) which is what the eli is clearly copying massively thats why they went for the glass doors, because otherwise it would be the smart for 2 early generation (& nowt wrong with that one) please track some down & do a video on it with the owners, (several variants as a result & the mdern ones are loaded) not the best range, but AC & windows that go down, stylistically I think you'd approve, & as they have been out quite a while some of the early ones can be very cheap, not fast charging but...
The non opening windows would worry me. You would need the air con running nearly all the time. Not just to keep cool but on rainy humid days those windows would need constant demisting. Cute little car and i liked the fit and finish on it. Full marks to the lady for her grasp of Yorkshian 😅😅😂
Love the car. Thought the sales lady was fantastic, great English. Well done her! 👏
She’s great and definitely the person to go to if you want a sans permis car here
There’s also the Silence S04 microcar in a 45km/h and a 90km/h version. Nice to try out, it hasn’t lack of storage like the Ami.
Yes it would be nice to try out. We’ve seen a few around
The Silence S04 in the 90km/h Version with full battery that with AC gives you 70km range, 100 in town, STARTS at 16000 Euros. It is way to expensive, even thou the batteries can be taken out and charges at home, big bonus. But like the microlino (going over 20000) its too expensive. For that money you can buy a Dacia Spring, a real car.
The ELi also goes over the 10000 mark but gives you AC, a feature that in the south of France or here in Spain can not be payed with gold. I have AC in my AMI but it was over 2000Euros to fit plus you lose the storage in the front for a separate Battery as it is not connected to the drive battery, the range would plummet.
@erwindewit4073 That’s my problem I’m drawn to great design however impractical!
@@MeandMonAmi Used Honda e ? I'm a Yorkshireman (although the dodgy South Yorkshire breed) and I love my Honda e. Also not very practical and short range but oh so desirable. Now £10k used.
@@MeandMonAmi Just avoid the NON ASHP version, we all know what a range drain they are.
The dacia is not much different from the battery capacity of an early nissan leaf, so you would have range, but going bigger means all those tiny streets you go down currently would be likely impossible, BUT you could load 2 e-scooters in the boot & revert to those, ..so an option.
What we do need to know (research please Tim & Mr B) is why the dacia spring is limited to 30 kWh charging (but 80 mins to charge is nigh on 2/3 less than ami's right) !?
Due to tim's style-eye, I cannot see anything at this point being sufficient for him that is not the ami, is not expensive, but does ooze charm ala elton, this makes it all a lot harder to suggest anything.
I will take a punt though, an early gen but with a good battery leaf from circa 2015-17 gen 1 style with the frog eyes. large boot, ashp, air con etc etc..
Bravo! Vanessa knows her stuff and English is very good! It would be an interesting upgrade...but no side windows. Busted, Elton saw you driving Eli.,, :0
Vanessa is great
It’s like “Top Gear” this show, best one liner LOL 😂
You said the Eli had Schuko for public charging, but that looked to me like a Type 2 socket in the video which is really great!
Yes that's a type 2
@@reeshar1234 my Bad!
Bless the lady for apologising for her English. How I wish I could speak French as well as she spoke English 😊. Laughed at your Top Gear comment Tim 😂
Indeed!
Excellent video. I had never heard of this model, so I'm glad you shared this with us. Chapeau to the sales lady for her English (I teach English up here in the Paris region, so I've heard all sorts of different levels). The quality between a French built sans permis and this Eli really is night and day. I'd say the finish is more akin to our 2012 Renault Grand Scenic, which makes my Mega Multitruck look and feel like sitting in a plastic porta-loo with a lawnmower engine. Methinks the 14 year olds these days have high expectations, as do their parents. Who probably got around on a 50cc twist & go scooter (also sans permis), which is now deemed too dangerous.
Thanks for identifying this vehicle😊 I have seen videos from Denmark and there seems to be plenty of these vehicles on the streets( not main highways),..love the color of Mr. Boo’s sweatshirt😊
Interesting. They strike me as a very well put together urban driving solution and I bet they are warm in cold climes!
It seems the biggest issue with the Citroen Ami was always the ventilation. You were always baking in the hot summers. This Eli doesn't seem to have any windows that open but it does have a sunroof. I suspect one will be using the air conditioning a lot which will eat into the range. The non-opening driver's side window could be an issue. Pulling a ticket at a parking garage to make the barrier go up will require pulling the Eli right up to the barrier and then getting out of the car and standing in front of the ticket dispensing machine. Not as convenient but doable. Maybe if two Eli's drove closely enough, they could both go through the barrier!
I agree with all you say about the Eli car, a pity about the no window opening, seems crazy! May be if you test drive as said already in hot weather you’ll find your answer. Maybe some other model will appear for you later! All best on the skin C. I’m having prostate zapped with radiotherapy soon! John in Monmouth 🏴
Good luck John!
I see that Citroen is showing off its new Ami... however it looks like they still haven't addressed the heat issue... open that roof up!!!
Indeed I’ve a feeling it would require a whole new roof design
She done well understanding fluent Yorkshire 😂
She’s fluent in northern!
More to the point, she didn't sell one to a Yorkshire man ?
She's related to Wayne Rooney every other word was umm umm umm
What a great little car, and those seats looked comfy too..
The seats are super comfy
Just found your channel after mooching provence vids
Weve just come back from looking at houses, moving from NW france, difficult finding something thatll help feed us in budget. Beautiful area tho.
Villefranche looks nice.
Good videos, too
Despite the hills you couldnt get rid of Elton surely, its part of the channel.
Anyhoo, binging your vids now
Thanks and Elton is staying but just occasionally we crave something more suited to longer adventures etc
If you can somehow manage to put in the Ami an additional driving battery to drive 150 km on one charge, it will be good for the next 3 years reaching villages never thought of before.
Yup 100%
'Top Gear' Tim! Absolutely brilliant comment! Great vlog guys, as usual.
Great video, very interesting. The Eli looks good apart from the non-opening windows. Shame they don't do an L7e version or it may have made our Twizy replacement list.
Today is Thursday Caught you Live today Tim . Great way to get a bit of background!
I love that '68 Stang and Saxo VTS on the car lift :-)
⚜ Greetings, from Castle Saint James~ What a delightful tutorial! You two, are, as always, a real treat. It's possible, that the ventilation will be adequate at higher speeds and the AC could be turned off. Actually, though, this vehicle is probably, designed for short trips, close to home. Until later, James🛡
As an Aixam Crossline L7 diesel driver,
i like the electric Ligier at 05:30.
For my 2 dogs and equipment it would work.
Side note, in Belgium you don't need a license if you are born before februari 1962. After that date you need an AM license, for moped, speedpedelec, mopedcar.
As always, great video.❤
@@kevinvoogt Thanks. For once it’s good to be old!
@@MeandMonAmi
Not old, a classic 😊
If someone looks like something
they find in a pyramid, THEN their old
😂😂
"Americans are a little bit taller... I would say."😜
Very diplomatic, excellente commerciale. She didn't get Eli is also a quite common name in North America.
The Eli appears to be a good little EV. Personally it’s let down by non opening windows. Really interesting review thought Tim. Another test drive would make a good video.
Excellent demonstration by Pole Position. Very interesting. Europe sometimes seems to so futuristic compared to the States.
Microcars should have a big future for sure
I really enjoyed this one (I always do!) but, like others, I'd find the absence of opening windows incredibly inconvenient and, for me, also a safety issue. I think you should have another test drive, this time with Twiggy, and get her to decide 🤣🤗
She’d know!
Reminds me of a George Jetson Mobile! Twiggy would need a name change, Astro!!
The new Renault 5 Electric, stunning car, great styling, range and price.
Yes and they’ve been all over nice these past two weeks in a giant press events. 50 or more cars I’d have said. I love the colours
I prefer the new Renault e4
It will depreciate in value faster than the battery degrades.
@@FredFox-m9v Which given that battery degradation is very slow suggests it will hold its value well.
@johnwinters4201 my 30 kwhr Nissan leaf has degraded 42 % and 5 battery bars lost out of 12, in 8 3/4 years from when I bought it new and within the slightly more than 40 k miles that I have done. Don't be taken in, all lithium ion batteries degrade with time and use cycles.
The depreciation in electric vehicles is massive compared to ice cars.
No no, we love Elton and there's an Ami driving around Marylebone complete with the UNION JACK roof. Everytime we see it we are reminded of you and Villefranche 😉
Elton is safe don’t worry
I really like Nice. Lots of good memories of diving down there and staying a few weeks each summer.
The windows not going down would bother me I like Elton better 👌
New Mobilize ( Renault) Duo now available. Reasoably priced 10k ish .45 and 80 kph versions and its got air con .I believe its rentable too.
@@simonbean1264 they look great. Not sure a great two person car though
We have a Twizy and would like a Duo. Up until recently the Mobilize website only mentioned car sharing or leasing, now I see they changed their minds and you can buy them. I'll be checking with our local Renault dealer if they can get one here to Cyprus for me.
@@MeandMonAmi Agreed. Side by side seating would have been better. My absolute favourite of these microcars/ quadricycles is the XEV Yoyo which is an L7e quadricycle 90kph .Only problem is the price around 16k.
22:22 Easy openable side windows are also important active safety feature for full hybrid / electric cars. I have to yield many times when I can't see the main road for enough distance, but I lift down the side window, and I can hear the approaching vehicle a few long seconds before see it.That's priceless.
yes, good point... the non opening windows are a no go for me as well.
You should try the YoYo! That one is small too, cheap and has windows that go down! It's for sale in England. 😊
We like the look of it!
Perhaps take the Eli uphill with Elton being driven by Mr Boo for a back to back range test sans windows
Good idea we need to get him back in the saddle!
Pole position is a great name; when driving a slow car like my 2CV or an Ami you find yourself often first, with a long queue (french for tail!?) of cars behind you.
Yes, that's true, always a clear road ahead. To keep those behind happy, I tend to pull over and let the tail through.
Paul Position
I prefer the Ligier for the 3k extra you seem to get a lot more. The Eli seems rather cramped and I think leg room is going to be an issue for big boy in my opinion.
Leg room is good. The ami also has great leg room. Ligier is interesting but less of a microcar
You ever driven a smart 450 ? The leg room is big enough for most normal humans, this is heavily based on the smart 450, to look
More episodes of The Top Queer Show please! ❤
I love the Ami.
Eli looks nice too
I'm curious about your opinnions about other L6e (as wel as L7e) cars.
, Ligier, Aixam, Renault Zoe, Renault Duo, Facelift Ami, and possibly other models
I think the Dacia Spring would be a good next step after the Ami. Or a Ford F150.
You should check the new Citroen E-C3, it is offering much more than the Dacia Spring (for the same price with the French government bonus if you live in France)
Now that's a very well made little electric city car/quadracycle and isn't "too" expensive considering the fit and finish. Really it's only around £3000 more than the Ami for a much better product. The only real minus is, as you mentioned, the lack of opening windows which makes some simple tasks a lot more difficult such as taking tickets from the machines or paying for parking at car parks, using drive thrus etc. again as you pointed out.
Mister Me and Mister Boo and Elton and Twiggy 🐕🐶well, luke everything, there's pluses & minuses, the buld quality being better than the ami, but the non opening windows is a negative point, the vehicle itself looks quite smart (my opinion) the upgraded ami will be worth looking at to compare with this Tim 😊 really good video this, stay safe and well and obviously stay charged 😊😊🎉
Thanks David. It’s a nicely done microcar for sure
What about the mustang …. Keep the great videos coming . Thanks for the smiles
Cars for people who can't drive brings it to the point 😊. In Germany the limit for no license driving is 6 km for a car or similar. But below 25 you need only a very simple test.
There’s also the new take on the Renault Twizy that’s coming out shortly that looks a bit more mature than the Twizy. It’s the Mobilize Duo 🏴
Yes very nice design though Mr Boo would be in the back!
Interesting, to see the Eli and thanks to Vanessa for hosting you and us. Looking forward to the extended drive and your take compared to Elton. I also lean more towards the Ami's minimalist implementation and Citroen's use of an a well proven industrial alternator and drive system. From the specs I'm seeing for the Eli, it looks like the Ami has a bit more horsepower on tap and a larger battery as well.
Here in the U.S. were we have to have a driving license, low-speed electric vehicles are restricted in were you can drive them and a serviceable Used Nissan leaf can be had for under $5k, it's hard to make a buying case a for 25mph $12,000 Light EV but seems a good fit for urban and tourist locales.
If Musk's robo-cabs ever become a reality one has to wonder if that could change a lot of what we take for granted.
I would like 1 but in South Africa all new cars HAVE to be right hand drive. Hmm, those non-opening windows are a problem but so is the Ami's setup.
Really interesting video, it’s a shame the windows don’t open on the doors but it seems a better build car than the Ami the opening hatch is amazing , it looks as Citroen may have to up their game and bring out a more refined version of the Ami , i’m sure there will be plenty more cars like this coming from China in the future.
@@nigel9843 I think there will and this has excellent build quality
Once the Ami gets replaced this channel will get called "Me and Non Ani" lol
Elton is irreplaceable!
Thanks "whoever" for fixing the Eli Zero website!!!!
Essayez la Baw E-pony, elle a une bonne autonomie, beaucoup d'options, 4 places, deplus en inclinant la banquette arrière, elle dispose d'un coffre conséquent pour sa taille.
There’s a new Ami model out now . Hope you have a look at it too see if it’s better than yours .
When we get our hands on one we will!
@@MeandMonAmi you would not have to chance the name of the channel.
@@akirantanen2944 that won’t be happening and Elton will not be leaving town!
@@MeandMonAmi thank's just what i wanted to hear👍
Better than Top Gear,Tim……..and a better sense of humour,too !
Hi, as a sans permis car it seems pretty good. But as you have a license now for less you probably could get a 2nd hand dacia spring or another proper electric car.
Not with a 3 year battery guarantee you can't.
The brand new price of that thing is about the same as the secondhand price of the Volkswagen e-Up.
A secondhand e-Up is much more of a car, it has fast charging, you can drive it on the motorway, and it's a proper car.
Good luck finding one. I looked at 4, all did not exist or where the petrol version. If you got one, why would you sell it?
Great cars. Hold their value well too. Run on the smell of it. The e version is like hen’s teeth though.
It's not the same market : for instance in France an elderly widow without a driving license can drive an Eli but she can't drive a VW e-Up. Apples to oranges.
@@chucku00 Yes well aware. The Up! is classified as a “proper car” requiring a full licence to drive. OP just suggesting options I think.
@@ralphsmyth9635 Yup, he's suggesting to buy a second hand fridge instead of a brand new toaster. Very well-thought option indeed.
Told you about Tyler & Todd...but watch Van Wives..Hope you love them too eh!
Great little car...flawed by the absurdity of non-opening side windows...a nutty omission
Great to see you both in middle of the week! 3 hot (human) stars in this episode 😍😅🔥 Re the cars - I’d take the Mustang 😍 😃 🚘
Great car the Eli really liked a lot, tops however, being claustrophobic the idea of closed windows I feel uncomfortable… must test drive
Great video.
Cool. Thanks for showing us that. Definitely not a fan of no windows. And I wonder if the sunroof would even work once you're all loaded with your gear for camping? But also, I saw the results of a collision with an Ami and another microcar (with a similar "polished" plastic finish), and the Ami had almost no visible damage to its body work (fenders, etc), while the shiny plastic one was crumbled and crunched up pretty bad. I myself once forgot to set my parking brake in a parking lot, and accidentally rolled into the car in front of me. My Ami literally bounced right off of them. No damage to either car! So I kind of like the flexibility of its quirky body material, (and the no maintenance "paint" job). 😀 I do however, like the color options in the Eli, and the hatchback, air-con, and car-play screen make it (almost) worth the extra cost!
Yeah I think car play is easily bought for ami for less than £200 (carpuride etc) but air con etc is great. But you are right about the ami bodywork bouncing a bit!!
Why didn't you took a look at the Ligier Myli it's a way more luxurious car, with rolling down windows, CarPlay, Airconditioning, ABS, Rear camera. Decent boot space and way better seats.
@@ernestoditerribile maybe next time
Wished could of showed us the grey one next to Eli I liked that one the shape as I have a full driver's license
Aircon or heating is what can drain the battery but in EVs if you use fans only that blow directly at you it uses very little electricity. We are probably talking about 50-150 watts. i.e don't turn the knob to cold or hot and leave in off mode. Just turn the strength of fan on the Eli. In context driving the vehicle you're using at least 10x as much.
@@frankelf3151 trust me fans don’t cut it where we are in summer
As Mr Boo said, not opening window, is inconvenient at parking. An I thought about drive through being inconvenient.
Really interesting. Where would you put your logo? And can you park directly facing the kerb, like a Smart?
That’s a big question. I suspect not legally but it’s a grey area I am told
Really interesting video, I wonder how the Silence S04 would compare - also have you seen the new Ami model with the funky hub caps 😂
Take a look also at the Mobilize Duo in the 80 km/h speed version. (Renault group) . They were presented in the automotive exhibition in Paris this week...
Yup they look fantastic!
Though one seat behind the other a problem for us (we use enough cameras as it is!)
We had lunch at the Lou Bantry on the port two weeks ago but didn't find you guys 😅 @@MeandMonAmi
@@Rohol64 oh that’s a shame. Hope you had a nice time
No primark at cap3000 that’s at the polygon!!😂😂😂👍
True dat!
I am German, pretty fluent in English (learning French right now 😃) - is it just me or does English with a small French accent sound really sexy??
As an English man, many years ago at a party I asked a french girl that same question. Her reply, first, blowing cigarette smoke in my face, then with a curled lip she says, Non, absolument non!. I'm sorry to say I think it's just you! My french used to be, and to some extent still is fairly basic. But when buying our house in France it was nessecary to up my game especially understanding legal implications. Fortunately a friend recommended the Michelle Thomas conversational course. A basic but very logical approach to learning French and much easier than say Rosetta. Just a thought. Bon Chance!
Comprehensive review - thanks. Look forward to more. Maybe you can both try out the Renault Mobilize Duo. Citroen was far sighted and quite brave to release the Ami. Their sucess seems to have given confidence to other manufacturers, shaking up the market for Quadricycles making them less goofy and more appealing to mainstream potential buyers. No disrepect to owners of large 4x4's, but more often than not I see them in town with just the driver, seldom other passengers. While not appropriate for anything but urban use, I do hope these compact vehicles go some way to reverse the 'size is status - arms race'. While the original classification of a quadricycle was to say the least, very basic - these new versions are pushing much needed higher safety specs, notably air bags, which in 2024 should be standard anyway. Citroen will need to up their game with Ami 2.0.
It is a great pity this Eli is not so far here in the UK , as I for one, if I could get my license back from DVLA (Cataracts in both eyes), I buy one without a doubt. Looks superb and good price all be it in Euro's .
If you can bear to change from poor Elton, and I'm typing this quietly so he doesn't hear, you could get a s'h Dacia Spring for the same kind of money. Opening windows, a boot, goes more than 45 kmh, decent range even with air con going.
Need a new channel name though.
Me and my Spring
A Spring in Provence
A Spring in our steps
Springing around the Riviera
...
Elton is staying but I think a Dacia Spring is a great idea for longer trips. I just wish I loved the design of it..
@@MeandMonAmi Yes, they're desperately utilitarian.
It is interesting, but lack of windows would be a bit of a problem, I wonder if the sunroof could be removed completely?
Portugal allows vehicles which are "sans permis." I thinkI may buy one as a compiment to my regular car.
That’s good to know!
The having no way to wind down or open a flap on the door windows is a bigger issue and design flaw than youd think, you need to be able to communicate through the door window, it would be a pain in the arse to go through a drive through (imagine going through a bottlo drive through or maccas, it would be a nightmare) Nar sorry id pass on this one, the build quantity was very impressive though and the range of colours, i do like the light blue colour.
Well done... no thunder, lightning, rain, wind or floppy tents....
Must have been our lucky day!
I wonder how much it would cost to have the driver side cut and have an opening put in so you can open it, at least for parking tickets and drive thru. Not soft plastic but something like you put in a van when you make a camper conversion. Because that no window thing would be a deal breaker.
Once you were back in Elton, he seemed so much bigger and had opening windows! Then again, what will the range be actually like with the AC turned on in the Eli?? Another Tim & Mr Boo cliffhanger! Guessing the Mustang was of no interest :)
A bugger to park!
Not good that the windows of the Eli do not open, that can be a big limitation, otherwise it is a beautiful car. I will consider one when they change the windows, that will come sooner than later, it is the only flaw I can see but a big one.
To be honest all the big manufacturers need to take a leaf out of Eli's book. Great price, good finish, and much more useful than 20ft SUVs. Just a bit more range, what's not to like? You'll be surprised when you're at a car park and need an open window. They're not just for ventilation.
Yup and yup
Talk to owners first. I doubt the air con can handle the temperatures you see. And the roof can't take your extra cargo. It's been around ten years now, which makes it ancient in the tech world.
Yeah, I was also thinking: how are they going to get their ridiculously large baggage on top of that roof? 😄 Eli is not a DIY-friendly vehicle.
We are curious about insurance. Do persons that drive these have to have insurance? What happens when they cause an accident? BTW we're enjoying you from right down the road in Menton. Nice to see the moon out tonight. Head to Nice on Friday thru Monday. Hopefully we might run into you guys.
Yup you need insurance just like any other car/moped etc. Hope we see you!
Eli looks nice but for me it looks like an enclosed golf cart. Ami looks more like a car then a gulf cart. Great video ladies, take care, Joseph
Eilidh is a Scottish Gaelic name , pronounced exactly like the lassie in the car showroom did. Cool car , me and Mon eilidh
Does it mean God? Mr Boo says it does!
@@MeandMonAmi me and my god :) haha . I think eilidh English version is Helen I think , not sure about God :)
@@MeandMonAmi does Mr boo mean enijah ?
Where is this dealer located?
Saint Laurent Du Var v near Nice
Jai vu ces intéressantes micro-car a cap 3000 il y a quelques jours...3 couleurs exposées...les finitions sont tres belles ,l'assise est très bonne..et les matériaux valorisants..(cuir des sieges etc).mais ,l'absence de vitres latérales ouvrables me semble problématique....il faudrait s'assurer que la climatisation fonctionne de manière tres efficacement 😂...pour pas etre un mini-four en été..
Bonne journée a vous et votre Ami 😂👍
I wish you guys would try out the XEV yoyo!
We love it and it’s on the list!
good work
What a nice suprise blog in s middle of The week! Sorry Guy's,but IT would fit you,really...
the non opening of the windows would be a dealbreaker for me, especially for a car that can only drive 45km/h, I want to stick my arm out...
To be honest, if you are looking for a new Car, and it don,t has to be an Car without licence, and it shouldn't be to expensive, i would recommend somthing like a Leap motors T03 (about 19000€).
The T03 should be available from Stellantis (Citroen) dealers from next spring, it has CCS (DC Fast Charge) Type 2 and can be charged with an adapter from a socket. The Range is about 165-250km.
The price of some microcars is already close to the price of a much better small car.
A small car also has a higher mandatory safety standard. This means proper side impact protection, airbags, a crumple zone, etc.
As a driver of an electric Opel Corsa, I love your travel videos with elton. I always find it amazing what you can do with a Citroen Ami. Especially because other people ("normal Car" drivers) always tell me what I supposedly can't do with my electric car🙄.
Eli is a great car, but i'll choose the new mobilize duo by renault for the same price, much more stylish.
I love the styling but not sure how comfortable the rear passenger would be
The A pillars looked really wide and seemed to block out a lot of vision. That would annoy me
Excellent midweek video, and no doubt that car is well-equipped, especially with air con and power steering. But not being able to open the windows is a big downside. Having the AC on all the time will definitely eat into the range!
I don’t like the design either; the AMI is much more charming and pleasant. This one looks like a generic golf cart from some unknown brand, it lacks personality.
3 hours to charge it? is that on public charging or home charging. the massive down side I can see with the car is the sun roof, while good for letting air in in the summer due to it being forward facing, the massive down side being you will catch a lot of rain into the cabin when it rains, whereas a rear opening sunroof would be less of a rain capture.especially when you think going forwards in a car water will run up the windscreen not down.
I hope they have seen some of your driving through Italians villages with 2 meter wide roads before they allowed you to do the test drive 🤣🤣
It’ll be a breeze!
you can now test the leapmotor T03, it is marketed by the stellantis distribution network (Peugeot, Fiat...), it is entitled to the bonus in France because it is manufactured in Poland, with a launch price of €18,000 - €4,000 Bonus, €14,000 remains to be paid
Dongfeng sells real ev car in Norway for less than 16000 euro. Even my Aixam E with the smallest battery costed only 4 grand less because we have zero tax on chinese cars here.
What about the Mobilize Duo?
We love it but worry about Mr Boo’s legs in the back in the longer journeys we’d happens to do in it
Tim, I have mentioned the early smart ED (electric drive) which is what the eli is clearly copying massively thats why they went for the glass doors, because otherwise it would be the smart for 2 early generation (& nowt wrong with that one) please track some down & do a video on it with the owners, (several variants as a result & the mdern ones are loaded) not the best range, but AC & windows that go down, stylistically I think you'd approve, & as they have been out quite a while some of the early ones can be very cheap, not fast charging but...
Finally some eye candy.
The car?
@@MeandMonAmi Bien sûr!
@@MeandMonAmi I was thinking how attractive Vanessa is. :)