Two Tricks for Better Tom Recordings

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  • @TheLongManDrums
    @TheLongManDrums ปีที่แล้ว +18

    They actually sound incredible

  • @soldbyreese
    @soldbyreese 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

    This audio is crazy clear. You got super good on the drums btw. Keep it up!

  • @ralphtarr5931
    @ralphtarr5931 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    I've been playing for 40 +years and I'm impressed with the cotton ball muffling!!! I love a resonate ton sound with sustain and tone and the gels seem to rob the tone too much for my liking. Thanks 👍

  • @Bonham1911
    @Bonham1911 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    Great playing and your drums sound fantastic. Nice work!!
    Thanks for the tuning tips!

  • @adamsilvenis
    @adamsilvenis ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Insightful,informative & great playing in the beginning! Awesome video Kyle, video came recommended on my feed and stoked to see more videos in the future!

  • @msyracuse
    @msyracuse ปีที่แล้ว

    Damn, what a great natural sound. Thanks for sharing this, and an excellent video production. I’ve always been able to tune a bad drum - but it can only go so far before dampening is needed, and then the tone gets altered too much… which requires more post processing. I really like your technique, especially with the cotton balls. I bet it helps with the resonation between the small tom and the snare that we all experience! Since my studio kit is an early 1970’s Slingerland, it doesn’t have that fat sound like newer kits, so I’m looking forward to trying this out.

  • @SteveStockmalMusic
    @SteveStockmalMusic ปีที่แล้ว

    Great tips
    Thank you

  • @tjjdrum
    @tjjdrum ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Very good video. Drums sound great. I never heard about cotton balls before, but it makes sense and sound good!

  • @terrydonegan1622
    @terrydonegan1622 ปีที่แล้ว +11

    Thanks for sharing this. Tuning drums is a difficult art to master. I used to own an Arbiter advanced tuning kit which was amazing but of course it would not allow for esoteric tuning. Great video. Plus you remind me of The late great John Candy.❤

    • @SAHBfan
      @SAHBfan ปีที่แล้ว

      I had an Arbiter AT kit - and before that an Arbiter Autotune. They were great tools for learning how to tune as you could tune with one hand whilst playing the tom with the other. 👍

    • @jobrothberg4679
      @jobrothberg4679 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Arbiter as in Hayman Vibrasonic drums Ivor Arbiter ? I guess it would be his son or something. Anyway Vibrasonics are pretty much my favourite drums from the 1960s! Except for the snare. The toms and kick drum put lipstick on the old Ludwigs and take them to town. Used to be able to get them at half the price, probably not now. I still think the old Ludwigs are fantastic. But way to hyped up and expensive.

    • @SAHBfan
      @SAHBfan ปีที่แล้ว +2

      ​@@jobrothberg4679 Ivor Arbiter was responsible for Hayman, then Arbiter Autotune, Then Arbiter AT. All the same guy, I believe. There was a big tie in with Rogers, too, Arbiter made UK built Rogers drums for a while. I think he died about 15 to 20 years ago. Sadly Arbiter the company went into receivership not long after.

  • @a.s.henderson483
    @a.s.henderson483 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Yr getting a great tone from those drums. All of them.
    I’m partial to the Thomas Lang style of Tom/Kick tuning-when changing heads, push down on the rim at each lug location and tighten only using yr fingers-no drum key needed. I only use a key to tweak the final drum tones (with the exception of some snares that I keep pretty tight).
    But whatever works for the player is what’s best.
    Great video, by the way-informative, clear, and concise.
    I’ll be sticking around. Thanks for posting.

    • @ChrisGraingerDrums
      @ChrisGraingerDrums ปีที่แล้ว +1

      FYI - we only tune the bass drums like that. Typically the toms are tuned with a key. Or a drill!

  • @oleran4569
    @oleran4569 ปีที่แล้ว

    Excellent tips and demonstration!

  • @ramilopez6921
    @ramilopez6921 ปีที่แล้ว

    I really enjoyed your video very informative. I like to know what kind of heads you use on your snare and what note you have it tune to. Thanks again for the video.

  • @Pela305
    @Pela305 ปีที่แล้ว

    Beautiful sound.
    I'd woul like to see the process of tunning and cotton placement...
    Thank you!

  • @majorpuggington
    @majorpuggington ปีที่แล้ว

    Wow, this video popped up on my feed as i have Sugar Bowl Washington v Texas on 21- 21, 2rd quarter. Ok, back to the toms.

  • @LWDrumz
    @LWDrumz ปีที่แล้ว

    I've found my perfect combination is Evans EC2 on top and G2 on the bottom. Having a dual layer head on the bottom makes it sound exactly the way I like it.

  • @FieroGTXX
    @FieroGTXX ปีที่แล้ว +1

    PLEASE PLEASE do a eq and comp video. This is GOLD. you gotta save me man!

  • @ralphhale5711
    @ralphhale5711 ปีที่แล้ว

    Thanks very much for doing this. Great presentation.

  • @MideosVideos
    @MideosVideos ปีที่แล้ว

    That was very helpful advise. On a side note, you have a great radio voice!

  • @Underdog_Drums
    @Underdog_Drums ปีที่แล้ว

    Those toms really do sound amazing! Thanks for the tips

  • @AlexRamirezDrummer
    @AlexRamirezDrummer ปีที่แล้ว

    Love it. Thank you very much for sharing!

  • @jonnykk1
    @jonnykk1 ปีที่แล้ว

    Amazing drum sound. Beautiful. Thank you!

    • @jonnykk1
      @jonnykk1 ปีที่แล้ว

      You’re very articulate and a great presenter as well. Subscribed!

  • @robertoferrarini7153
    @robertoferrarini7153 ปีที่แล้ว

    Wonderful. I use cotton only for the floor toms, but not in balls. Can you show us yours? Size and form. Tks

  • @alexiskeeton
    @alexiskeeton ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Sounds awesome. Please do a tuning video!

  • @andrewgonzales4131
    @andrewgonzales4131 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    Kyle great video! I was the original drummer for a band called Reel Big Fish. I was not so much a drummer as I was an artist🙄. Videos like yours help those of us who appreciate and love this craft. Thank you and God bless.

    • @kylecokeleydrums
      @kylecokeleydrums  ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Wow! Thanks so much!

    • @theweekdayrider1501
      @theweekdayrider1501 ปีที่แล้ว

      Hey Andrew! Big fan of RBF here, are you the guy who played in the Turn the Radio Off album? Loved how you play on the tracks!

  • @michaelshigeta5187
    @michaelshigeta5187 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Thank you for making this video. I really appreciated your clear and concise explanation and sound samples. I even appreciate your UW shirt; although I’m a Beaver….

  • @GreggermannMusic
    @GreggermannMusic ปีที่แล้ว

    Great video!!! Thanks for all this info!!

  • @rogerringold616
    @rogerringold616 ปีที่แล้ว

    Also pitch raise w more volocity...on initial strike....high to low slide in pitch.

  • @vigilantedelnautico
    @vigilantedelnautico ปีที่แล้ว

    Great video, thanks for sharing!

  • @allanjavery6969
    @allanjavery6969 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    what do you do with the cotton balls you never said do you just throw them in the drum do you tape them inside outside

    • @kylecokeleydrums
      @kylecokeleydrums  ปีที่แล้ว +1

      The cotton balls rest freely on the bottom head inside the drum.

  • @Torzilla
    @Torzilla ปีที่แล้ว

    Sounds great. Floor tom awesome!

  • @SirGameChanger
    @SirGameChanger ปีที่แล้ว

    oh my god! your drums sound incredible!!!

  • @drewjonespdx
    @drewjonespdx ปีที่แล้ว

    Great presentation

  • @Stingray_Master
    @Stingray_Master ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Drums sound great!!

  • @carlosnovaes6993
    @carlosnovaes6993 ปีที่แล้ว

    Great Video! I use cotton balls on toms, very very very good!

  • @FadjarMoeljarto
    @FadjarMoeljarto ปีที่แล้ว

    Waw..awesome, thank you 🥁👍

  • @wuffb
    @wuffb ปีที่แล้ว

    Cotton Ball idea . . . genius!!

  • @Sillyryan209
    @Sillyryan209 ปีที่แล้ว

    Most important thing for easy tuning is apex of bearing edge must make contact with the drum skin on the flatter part of the drum skin rather than the rounded part,Rob brown has the easiest most effective Tuning method just tune out the wrinkles and minor adjustments from there,just push harder in centre of drum head for a higher pitch or push softer for a lower pitch sound when tuning out the wrinkles takes 5 mins to do all toms top and bottom heads

  • @jasonmullenbach2397
    @jasonmullenbach2397 ปีที่แล้ว

    That lick right at 24 seconds! I've been trying to figure out what that is forever but don't even know how to describe it clearly enough to elicit more than a confused look. It sounds like an alternation of triplets and 16ths?

  • @valcastellon81
    @valcastellon81 ปีที่แล้ว

    What snare is that?

  • @ARGCDG
    @ARGCDG ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Adding cotton balls how ?

  • @maidenless_tarnished
    @maidenless_tarnished ปีที่แล้ว

    Seems like resonance with 12" rack toms is par for the course. I have the same issue and it's super annoying. I'll have to try the cotton balls one day

  • @williammcallister2488
    @williammcallister2488 ปีที่แล้ว +22

    Number one thing, turn off the snare.

    • @rogerringold616
      @rogerringold616 ปีที่แล้ว

      During a song? Its a set....not marching quads

    • @rogerringold616
      @rogerringold616 ปีที่แล้ว

      Mid C on kick?

    • @JacobSteik
      @JacobSteik ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Number 1 thing learn how to tune a snare so it doesn't react to the other drums

    • @JacobSteik
      @JacobSteik ปีที่แล้ว

      The cotton ball trick is essentially Dave weckls trick gone dollar store. Already in this video you can hear his heads aren't set. Get bigger drums if you like those pitches

    • @JacobSteik
      @JacobSteik ปีที่แล้ว

      ​@@rogerringold616listen to Danny Carey

  • @Wardrumsnetwork
    @Wardrumsnetwork ปีที่แล้ว

    Nicely done 🍻

  • @sambiancuzzo7264
    @sambiancuzzo7264 ปีที่แล้ว

    THANK YOU THIS WAS GREAT

  • @luiszuluaga6575
    @luiszuluaga6575 ปีที่แล้ว

    I love drum nerd, tech stuff and it’s great to take the time to actually listen to our kits. 👉🥁🤷‍♂️

  • @srwarnke1
    @srwarnke1 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Did you add the cotton balls through the air vent, or take off the batter head?

    • @headknocker2020
      @headknocker2020 ปีที่แล้ว

      Trying to squeeze them through the vent might tear them apart. When I did my low tom I took off the resonant head and did it that way since it's easier for me to tune that side.

    • @kylecokeleydrums
      @kylecokeleydrums  ปีที่แล้ว

      I took the batter head off to add the cotton balls. The vents would probably be too small, at least on my kit.

  • @zoeydee7168
    @zoeydee7168 ปีที่แล้ว

    Are the cotton balls taped down on the inside of the drum to the resonant or batter head or are they free floating with the drum?

    • @kylecokeleydrums
      @kylecokeleydrums  ปีที่แล้ว +1

      The cotton balls are resting freely inside the drum.

    • @zoeydee7168
      @zoeydee7168 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@kylecokeleydrumsa rough number of cotton balls on the rack toms 10 & 12 verses floor toms of 14 & 16, eg, would be nice to be close on initial try as I would like to avoid pulling heads a bazillion times to increment up? Oh heck, never mind as you stated in the video 4, 8, 4 & 4, respectively. Thx!

  • @drummerdaveshouse5848
    @drummerdaveshouse5848 ปีที่แล้ว

    Do you like the clear heads better?

  • @kennethwinkler8394
    @kennethwinkler8394 ปีที่แล้ว

    Are your drums all maple shells, and if I have all poplar shells in 12”,13,16 how many cotton balls should I try as I’m about to change out top and bottom heads on all my Tom’s ?

    • @kylecokeleydrums
      @kylecokeleydrums  ปีที่แล้ว

      Yes, my kit has all maple shells. I can't speak to how it would be with poplar, but 3 or 4 cotton balls is pretty gentle (I use 4 in my 10, 14, and 16). I would start there and work your way up.

    • @kennethwinkler8394
      @kennethwinkler8394 ปีที่แล้ว

      Thank you

  • @64DrPeppers
    @64DrPeppers ปีที่แล้ว

    Go Huskies! Lol i should go back and finish that chem degree

  • @trk327
    @trk327 ปีที่แล้ว

    You based in Seattle? I could use lessons.

  • @The_Other_Ghost
    @The_Other_Ghost ปีที่แล้ว

    How do the rack toms sound tilted?

    • @kylecokeleydrums
      @kylecokeleydrums  ปีที่แล้ว +1

      The sound is a little more dead with them tilted at a steeper angle, but it's mostly just because of where your ears are in relation to the drum head.

    • @The_Other_Ghost
      @The_Other_Ghost ปีที่แล้ว

      @@kylecokeleydrums Thought so, but never hurts to ask. I might pass on that then because my kit gets used for bands that tend to have a heavy tilt. Keep making videos and keep drumming.

    • @morbidmanmusic
      @morbidmanmusic ปีที่แล้ว

      No different if mic'd in the same place.

  • @JoJoGMusic
    @JoJoGMusic ปีที่แล้ว

    I feel like the tuning trick made the floor toms sound a bit less defined as far as the pitch goes. But nice tricks nevertheless!

  • @bobbyjones2112
    @bobbyjones2112 ปีที่แล้ว

    Oh my God I used to put cotton balls in my drums in the early 90s! I’m glad I’m not the only one! 😂

  • @mrsayang
    @mrsayang ปีที่แล้ว

    Great Sound, which I like a lot. I am sure that the detuning trick of the 2 closest lugs to the drummer is not working with diecast hoops! I have a TAMA Starclassic and it has diecast hoops.

    • @kylecokeleydrums
      @kylecokeleydrums  ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I'm not sure how it would work with diecast hoops on toms, but I've done it a couple times on my TAMA G-Maple snare and it made a pretty big difference!

    • @mrsayang
      @mrsayang ปีที่แล้ว

      @@kylecokeleydrums I have the G-maple snare aswell and it has standard hoops. The "problem" with diecast is, that it is too stiff and too strong for such tuning tricks, I learned that in another video by the "drum-dogs".

    • @kylecokeleydrums
      @kylecokeleydrums  ปีที่แล้ว

      Oh, interesting. My G-Maple has diecast, and the tuning definitely made a difference, but it's probably different from drum to drum.

    • @mrsayang
      @mrsayang ปีที่แล้ว

      @@kylecokeleydrums thanks, also interesting. My snare has the 2,3 mm "mighty hoops" (triple flanshed), didn't know that they have it with die cast aswell. Maybe I should try your trick with my toms then. Thanks for answering.

  • @musichistoryclass
    @musichistoryclass ปีที่แล้ว

    That was a very impressive video in all regards! You seem like you're well-educated in music, in general. Did you study in school?

    • @kylecokeleydrums
      @kylecokeleydrums  ปีที่แล้ว

      Thanks very much! I don't have any formal music education. I'm just really into all of this stuff. 😊

  • @kimfarnsworth1297
    @kimfarnsworth1297 ปีที่แล้ว

    Yay Kyle!

  • @achillespullo5761
    @achillespullo5761 ปีที่แล้ว

    Tama drums?

    • @kylecokeleydrums
      @kylecokeleydrums  ปีที่แล้ว

      It's a custom-built kit that I bought from my drum teacher back in 2006 or so. The shells are all-maple. I do have a TAMA G-Maple snare that I really love.

  • @midirok
    @midirok ปีที่แล้ว

    Unless it sounds like the Toms on Witch Hunt, on the moving pictures album it’s no help.

  • @rickmoses5081
    @rickmoses5081 ปีที่แล้ว

    Great stuff!

  • @theDeathJoy
    @theDeathJoy ปีที่แล้ว

    Wouldn't all this be easily be achieved by simply swapping to a thinner resonant? Less sustain, faster decay, overall a more punchy sound, and as an added bonus: better sound at lower dynamics.

    • @kylecokeleydrums
      @kylecokeleydrums  ปีที่แล้ว

      You can definitely achieve all kinds of different sounds with different drumheads. I just find that there is a lot more versatility and cost-effectiveness that comes with making small tweaks to muffling and/or tuning, as opposed to swapping out all of the heads.

  • @stevevorass
    @stevevorass ปีที่แล้ว

    What’s the vocal mic you’re using? Sounds great.

    • @kylecokeleydrums
      @kylecokeleydrums  ปีที่แล้ว

      Thanks! It's actually just a cheap little USB mic that I bought on Amazon.

  • @Thomas-Drums
    @Thomas-Drums ปีที่แล้ว

    Thanks Kyle, that was some great tips. Your toms sound fantastic! Also, who DOESN'T love some drum nerd content. That's why this popped up in my suggested LMAO.
    Question though - it seems you have blankets covering your walls - as someone who struggles with cymbal bleed horribly, do you think it helps with that? I know it really comes down to "hit softer" etc, but even when I do that, I still have horrible bleed. Have you dealt with that before?

    • @kylecokeleydrums
      @kylecokeleydrums  ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I don't have a before and after experience to say whether the blankets are making a difference with cymbal bleed. They definitely tighten up the sound in the room, so it's certainly possible. I mostly bought the acoustic blankets to keep sound from getting out of the room. I have a few neighbors who are fairly close by, and I didn't want the police knocking on my door every evening. 🤣
      You've probably already tried these things, but moving cymbals a little higher and making sure that the close mics are pointing away from them makes a big difference. The hi-hat is usually the biggest culprit in my experience because it's close to the snare mic.

  • @lilbigmanrecords1708
    @lilbigmanrecords1708 ปีที่แล้ว

    Rad man

  • @terrybillington2482
    @terrybillington2482 ปีที่แล้ว

    good man

  • @mattdelany6799
    @mattdelany6799 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Please don’t muffle anything. The drums sound great with no muffling.

  • @mikey-mike8301
    @mikey-mike8301 ปีที่แล้ว

    Don't ever apologize for going-into "Drum Nerd" territory. God gave us a gift to speak and understand a language of our own! Everybody can learn how to order their drink from Starbucks, but only the chosen few understand the passion of a musician discussing their gear!

  • @MaltZero
    @MaltZero ปีที่แล้ว

    they sound lovely! dumb question: where do the cotton balls go? :)

    • @MaltZero
      @MaltZero ปีที่แล้ว

      are they just bouncing around inside the drum? or taped down?

    • @naeemgrant5897
      @naeemgrant5897 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@MaltZero No tape needed. They're supposed to bounce to create a "gating effect" when the drums are played.

    • @nathanielnicholson559
      @nathanielnicholson559 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@MaltZero they'll be floating inside, on the reso head. They act almost like a gate, jumping up on initial impact where they let the drum sing then falling gently back to the [inside] surface of the head, dampening some of the head's resonance and bringing the wee bit of lovely control we hear here. The same idea as attaching a small piece of felt, leather, flannel, denim, whatever to the rim of your batter head and letting it rest on the edge of the head itself. Each has its benefits and drawbacks, I suppose.

    • @kylecokeleydrums
      @kylecokeleydrums  ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Not a dumb question! As others have said here, they rest freely on the bottom and bounce around, which creates a gentle gating effect. More cotton balls = quicker gate, fewer = slower gate.

    • @nathanielnicholson559
      @nathanielnicholson559 ปีที่แล้ว

      This gets my noggin scanning for ways to use cotton balls, or even something else, in a way that's not affected by the tilt of the drum...

  • @shalaq
    @shalaq ปีที่แล้ว

    The cotto balls sure do the trick, but the detuning of the lugs only work on steel bent hoops, not die cast. With die cast hoops you will detune the whole drumhead if you do this.

    • @kylecokeleydrums
      @kylecokeleydrums  ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Believe it or not, it actually works pretty well with diecast hoops too. I've used the tuning on a TAMA snare that I own with diecast on a few occasions. It makes a noticeable difference in the attack. You do have to be careful about putting uneven tension on diecast hoops long-term. They can warp over time because of their rigidity, especially with drums that are tuned high.

    • @morbidmanmusic
      @morbidmanmusic ปีที่แล้ว

      Works ok on my die cast hoops.

    • @cbasbwoyETP
      @cbasbwoyETP ปีที่แล้ว

      ​@@kylecokeleydrumsgood to know!

  • @TheCarelessAquarius
    @TheCarelessAquarius ปีที่แล้ว

    I like my Tom’s a little on the lower side of the tuning scale. But I think I will try my two smaller toms a little higher. Might give them more definition

  • @stubowl1
    @stubowl1 ปีที่แล้ว

    you have a calm clear voice. must be the cotton balls

  • @terdburglar
    @terdburglar ปีที่แล้ว

    A drum nerd and a Husky fan? Sign me up my friend.

  • @xenprovence6126
    @xenprovence6126 ปีที่แล้ว

    Try removing the hoops for a great tom sound.

  • @laiftaim
    @laiftaim ปีที่แล้ว

    Tiny little bit difference in my ear.

  • @forrest76-m8v
    @forrest76-m8v ปีที่แล้ว

    Actually i have no idea how to tune toms 😎

  • @jimlassiter749
    @jimlassiter749 ปีที่แล้ว

    the first, have more than four mounted toms...
    two, add more toms....

  • @СергейАфанасьев-я4к
    @СергейАфанасьев-я4к ปีที่แล้ว

    ✌️👍

  • @mecdrum7
    @mecdrum7 ปีที่แล้ว

    I hate muffling

  • @MrFchank
    @MrFchank ปีที่แล้ว

    Here's the thing. If you know how to tune your drums,no muffling is needed. The whole cotton ball thing kinda made me laugh.

  • @billbradleymusic
    @billbradleymusic ปีที่แล้ว

    Your lieing ears....😂
    Nice riffing BTW

  • @johnfearon6115
    @johnfearon6115 ปีที่แล้ว

    Went to drum clinic to watch Benny Grebb and he has cotton balls in his floor tom and it does work....

  • @sticktrik
    @sticktrik ปีที่แล้ว +1

    They sound great because they are not D.W.!!!

  • @BrianGodsell-yq1kc
    @BrianGodsell-yq1kc ปีที่แล้ว +1

    He lost me at muffling