I'd say the trick is being born with a brain predispositioned towards a certain thing. Some people just got "It" whatever that "It" is and unless you got it as well. No amount of practice will give you it. Doesn't mean you can't or shouldn't try though.
As soon as he said "studied Jazz drumming" I was like "yup, there it is, that's it". I'm self taught, have played for over a decade, but I know whenever another drummer mentions a background in jazz drumming that they're about to absolutely blow my mind.
Interesting fact is drummer for the black metal band Darkthrone was a pioneer of the primitive black metal drumming style (blast beats or simple beats only, no double bass, minimal fills, stripped down and poorly recorded drum kit), yet he is trained as a jazz and prog rock drummer. His chops and drum solos are incredible yet he made the conscious decision to unlearn what he knew. So sometimes you have beginners trying to learn complex beats and jazz drummers trying to play like beginners lol. Art is a crazy thing
This is nothing new though. I've been playing for 32 years past my grade 8 at 15 and have been self taught ever since with Jazz, acid jazz fusion as my main influence. I've been playing jungle licks for at least 20 years as I've mix jungle since the 90s and playing it was just a natural progression. Recorded it and played it live. There are loads of drummer out there doing it and drummers like cobham have been playing similar licks to jazz for a long time. Definitely nice to see someone showing ways to learn it and sharing the knowledge though.
@@Sergio-nb4hj jazz is learn the rules and sttucture but play what you feel...no wrong notes. louis cole is someone who idolized jack dejhonette and tony williams but decided to similarly stick to grid. in way and tempo not far from this hes so much fun as musician . chris dave mentioned in video is jazz drummr who is inspired by hip hop un quantized pioneer j dilla. was similar approach to different genre done by machine then emulated by people ...awesome sounds: ) eloy from slipknot is brazilian samba in his blood. loves metal though machine
haha yep. I was á predominantly self taught drummer in bands for 12 years, The thing I’ve noticed is that the most technically proficient players have either a metal or jazz background. But metal players often can’t chill or play anything truly funky, so jazz players were always the most impressive to me.
Russell is so legit man. Knows exactly how to fill and proves not only his talent but also his knowledge on how he needs to play. 💯 He’s a musician through and through and not just doing random stuff until it sounds good.
@syalda0001 he has actually played a lot on Caroline Polachecks newest album, and also on her Tiny desk, although not much dnb drumming, still really talented!
03:25 "I can't be reading a chart" - That would actually be hilarious and work well on stage, play a pattern a full speed and have somebody furiously turn pages of notation for you :D
Dude, it was an awesome episode. I love how you guys combined the interviewing with live presentation of techniques and jamming as the cherry on the top
I noticed the name Holzman and wondered if there was a connection to Adam Holzman (former keyboardist for Miles Davis and current keyboardist for Steven Wilson). Turns out Russell is his son! Fascinating to see the musical talent passed down through generations. Additionally, they are both heirs to the Elektra Records empire.
😯 Grandson of Jac Holzman, founder of Elektra Records, Nonesuch Records, and Cordless Recordings? Technology shepherd and one of the last living founders of a major record label? Still kicking at 95. 😎
That’s pretty awesome, people might shit on him for being a nepo kid but he is obviously highly educated and has put in his own work to become a professional musician. Plus - passing wealth whether currency or legacy to family is the dream! Seems like he’s holding down the family name perfectly.
This is awesome because he's obviously INSANELY talented, but he's reminding us that it's all about putting in the work. He's not getting these after the first listen. I think patience and work ethic are also talents that are severely underrated.
Skilled is the word you’re looking for. That’s what putting in the work means. Most artists continue to work hard despite what amount of talent they have.
Note that even in the early 2000's there were drummers that performed junle DnB. while it gained popularity recently, it was already a type of beat that _specificly_ jazz players liked to play around and improvise on back then. As an example: Nerve & Jojo Meyer released a fusion jazz album in 2009 where the whole album has DnB acoustic drums. That being said i really like that ungle and DnB is making a comeback. I really liked that jam session.
I’m a producer myself, been doing stuff since 2001ish, and also played drums in a few bands for like 10 years, and my #1 drumming influence was old jungle & breakbeat/hardcore tracks from the 90s! So I started out emulating chopped up amens just like Russell, but he’s developed his chops to superhuman levels. So inspiring and it’s making me want to bust out the kit again!
So good! He has paid such intimate attention to the genre that he sounds just like a chopped jungle beat. Wicked skill to witness and wildly fun listening
Can't decide if the 1-on 1-off was my favorite part, or if it's when he is so zoned in on transcribing a bar in the iPad he basically shoo's Andrew 😅 It's probably the beats tbh but it's close, man
As a drummer, this is way more interesting to me than lots of stuff put out by drum channels. Nice to hear a drummer interviewed by such a knowledgeable and curious musician. Great stuff!
Its gotta swing ! ...and that doesnt mean no rock . Jon Bonham? Simon Kirke? Mitch Mitchell? Ginger Baker? Charlie Watts ? That's just off the top of my head ...
These young fellas are super impressive. The drummer is not only playing but transcribing is just so cool and solidifies good learning and trains your listening ear so well over time. Steve Vai didn't become a legendary guitarist just by practicing guitar he transcribed all of Frank Zappas gigs so Frank had a record of what he played during tours.Steve just picked up so many amazing tricks and lessons from transcribing for Zappa. Now he's one of the greats.
Damn that kid is impressive. I was never a fan of Jungle (at least, the Ragga Jungle that was popular in Toronto in the 90s) but I used to spin techy DnB for a while. The DnB scene was pretty crowded in Toronto at the time, so I switched to spinning UK Hard House, but it would be great to see DnB making a comeback. It's still such good music.
I did live d'n'b in the 90s , but with 2 drummers and vinyl turntables, synths and a primitive live-sampler. It was basically live-remixing. We played huge warehouse parties. So much fun, pretty intense as well. I noticed Russell on IG a while ago and he is giving me flashbacks, so gooood !
Primitive live sampler? Please divulge more info. As the equipment I used sure as funk couldn't be used "live" in the modern sense of "on the fly recording editing playback" - pre recorded samples sure no problem, but processing times for hardware, and storage speeds for software were huge issues for "live" stuff. Prime example, like dnb form around the time , Roni size & Reprazent - watch some videos of them live in the early days. The samples taken AGES to load - whole bars pass while the next sample is getting chopped and stretched, filled in with DJ scratches, MC-ing or live drum breaks.
I could easily watch a one hour long video of you two pumping out a dnb jam together. Although i felt this upload was wayyyy too short i thoroughly enjoyed every second of it. 🔥
As someone who's been into hardcore breaks and jungle since day one, but is now into metal and rock, I love it when pro drummers give it love. I always knew it was special music.
I met a guy who runs a d’n’b magazine. He told me that nearly all the guys he knows that make music in the scene are metalheads. I don’t know if you’re aware of an artist called klute, but he was the drummer in a beloved uk hardcore punk band called the stupids.
@@zappasmoustache23 Yup, I know Klute well. It's not just metalheads, I feel most junglists are incredibly eclectic. I try and listen to everything. Only music I don't like is modern manufactured pop and country.
In the early 00s in NYC, I was studying bass performance at The Collective NYC, which was a small conservatory/vocational school for professional musicians, where I ended up working as studio/facility manager. At the time "reverse engineering" DnB "breaks" was a new concept. One of our teachers at the time Guy Licata, who went on to play with Bill Laswells live Dubbed out version of Drum and Bass called "Method Of Defiance". I highly recommend y'all looking it up! As I recall Guy was working with one of the major cymbal companies creating these crazy cymbals that recreated the sound of the drums used in what we still referred to as IDM, 😂 old heads will remember how many artists bristled at the term😂. I'm just an old cat (53) giving a shout of respect to the new cats, and letting folks know the history of live breaks playing is deeper than you may realize. Much respect!
Got to love how we've come full circle with drummers now playing breakbeats which were created (sampled) from drum solos from tracks like The Winstons' Amen, Brother.
Eh? We came full circle 25 years ago, Clive Deamer with Ronnie Size, and followed by others including Zach Danziger, Tony Verderosa, JoJo Mayer, etc. live DnB is decades old now
This is insane! Idk why but there's something about this jam that makes it... intense? Once the jam starts there's no small talk, pure creativity and rhythm. Love the chemistry between you two!
other drummers playing this style on acoustic drums include Jojo Mayer, Ben Anderson, The Dux, and more One of the great older ones is The Dux playing Squarepusher Theme on TH-cam
I love both that you're giving musicians like these more of a platform and that you're giving your audience a peek behind their curtain - would love to see more of these!
as someone teaching myself music production and currently in a dnb/jungle phase, seeing you play live with the effects has given me some great inspiration. Thank you!
Sometimes you gotta get a beat and keyboard/synth just jam to a sick drum beat if it gets good record, back to the computer fill in blanks, finish track EQ, track complete show friends and family
the craziest part in my opinion is how insanely well spoken russell is. most drummers are dumb as bricks (myself included), so when you ask us something we usually don't know how to explain it, it's usually all feel, but russell knows exactly what he's doing and has the ability to communicate it, which is a HIGHLY under appreciated quality. super smart guy from what I've seen.
Amazing. I saw some underground live drum and bass in 2000 in NYC and couldn't believe this was possible to recreate live. This guy is killing it with the level of detail. Want to see more of this for sure!
Respect. Was watching you throw down over a decade ago. 🙏 A bunch of people in this comment section Big Up’n your name too. Respect to the highest sir! 🙌
If anyone here is a fan of Russell and hasn't already heard of Jojo Mayer, definitely check him out! He's been one of my favorites for years, and he has a concept with his band Nerve that is eerily similar to what Andrew says around 2:07 - imitating machines that are imitating humans; he called it "exploring the space between 0 and 1."
Ive been wanting to see a well made video about this type of music, with beats sliced up, w/ live drumming of those sliced beats, and you guys hit the nail on the head. Thanks so much to both of you! Machine Girl does stuff like this live and its so sick.
As a DnB artist myself, this is super impressive. I take a slightly unique approach to my production because I’m mostly dawless. Usually I find a break that I like that’s usually jazz or hip hop, play with pitch, speed it up or down, chop it, layer it and pad perform on my MPC or Digitakt. I also colour in extra percs and ghost notes with one shots, so to see this all live just blows my mind.
@@n1nj4l1nk From my experience drum n bass crossed my roads mainly in a DJ setup (and don't get me wrong: I have great amount of respect, when DJing is executed well - difficult enough). Thank's for expanding my musical knowledge.
Roni Size was playing live DnB with a drummer in 1995 (as was I, with my band and at jam nights between 1995 - 98. It was a very exciting time in music!)
Even tho not too experienced, as an Amateur Jungle Producer. The live jam session was REALLY GOOD. LIKE REALLY REALLY GOOD! I loved it. You guys should release it
@TheTokyoAmducias Yeah, Jojo Mayer is a living legend! I would like to know if Jojo was (and is) a big influence on Russel. My guess would be yes, but of course I really don't know.
I've been listening to dnb/jungle all day at work and this pops up on my lunch break. So perfect. I've been known to chop me up some amens and Apaches in my spare time, so much respect. Mostly in mod trackers to this day, although full on DAW production is still a good time.
It's great to see Andrew interviewing such high levels of talented musicians. You have the expert interviewing another expert. It's crazy to almost see Andrew with another musician who's perhaps even more obsessive than he is. Great content!
This was a great watch, especially since I've only seen your clips on reddit. Clearly, incredible talent, and I will be sure to tune in as much as possible.
That was dope! I love live drums, but also really into drum machines and break beats. The hybrid is cool. JD Beck does have a similar vibe. Also cool that he is on tour with Caroline.
Nice. Super clean with great care and attention to detail. But, Jojo Mayer has been doing this since at least 1997 when he formed Nerve. He’s the original DnB/Jungle, real drums master.
No one said this guy is "the king" of anything. And even if: should we just only listen to and appreciate the work of one specific drummer and eff the rest?
Another dude who has been doing this is Deantoni Parks of Kudu. He's most known playing in The Mars Volta and Bosnian Rainbows(he woukd play keys and drums at the same time!)
I have always felt that jungle/DnB drumming was just jazz drumming but sped up, and this seems make that true. I'm sure you could argue that jazz drumming has effected everything, including the original Amen Break, but just the idea of a drum kit and a bass going nuts just feels so jazzy to me. Great video!
@@krusher74 I was mostly thinking about how much emphasis there is on playing with rhythm and groove that makes me think of jazz, or at least jazz-fusion.
Absolutely awesome video! Russells playing as well is his demeanor is pure class. The answer to the question: "How does the depth affect the sound of the snare?" is this: The deeper it is, the more airy and breathy the sound will be. Deeper drums (6.5 + ) are generally preserve body better when tuned up and handle hard playing better in terms of sound. Thinner snares will preserve coherence in sound and feel better when tuned low. Both can sound perfect for the track in any tuning, though.
Actually nuts to see him play these songs, first time I saw him was when he covered some of my tracks on twitter, I felt so happy and honored when I saw him covering them!
A guy named the overclock orchestra has been doing this for decades. He also use to trigger melodies, bass lines and harmonies while playing in time using a foot controller switching between live hits and clips in Ableton live on his electronic kit
Shoutout Russell! linktr.ee/starpowerdrummer
Extended interview available on my Patreon: patreon.com/andrewhuang
A drum off against Animal in the future, maybe?.. 😁
The video shows his website as “starpowerdrums” but the subs say “starpoweredrum”. Just saying in case you want to fix it.
@@LimeyRedneck Jojo Mayer!
Could this be in the description?
Hey Andrewhuang team. Does the patreon have a longer "Let's Play!" session. I would love to hear y'all go off.
turns out the 'trick' is years of disciplined study, transcription, and practice. respect.
yes, it does work, but you need a lot of practice
@@David-ul9cnAnd practice, too
And the talent to even study at jazz school in the first place!
TwoSetViolin was right (well really ling ling was right) - 40 hours of practice!
I'd say the trick is being born with a brain predispositioned towards a certain thing. Some people just got "It" whatever that "It" is and unless you got it as well. No amount of practice will give you it. Doesn't mean you can't or shouldn't try though.
That beat slaps so fucking hard, so glad DnB and jungle are coming back
DNB/ Jungle never left😎
we do, in fact, need jungle I'm afraid.
@@Gammaknife97 It's still nice that it's coming back to a wider audience though.
We need real Breakcore back, Venetian Snares early albums
put it back in our video games damnit
As soon as he said "studied Jazz drumming" I was like "yup, there it is, that's it". I'm self taught, have played for over a decade, but I know whenever another drummer mentions a background in jazz drumming that they're about to absolutely blow my mind.
Interesting fact is drummer for the black metal band Darkthrone was a pioneer of the primitive black metal drumming style (blast beats or simple beats only, no double bass, minimal fills, stripped down and poorly recorded drum kit), yet he is trained as a jazz and prog rock drummer. His chops and drum solos are incredible yet he made the conscious decision to unlearn what he knew.
So sometimes you have beginners trying to learn complex beats and jazz drummers trying to play like beginners lol. Art is a crazy thing
This is nothing new though. I've been playing for 32 years past my grade 8 at 15 and have been self taught ever since with Jazz, acid jazz fusion as my main influence. I've been playing jungle licks for at least 20 years as I've mix jungle since the 90s and playing it was just a natural progression. Recorded it and played it live. There are loads of drummer out there doing it and drummers like cobham have been playing similar licks to jazz for a long time. Definitely nice to see someone showing ways to learn it and sharing the knowledge though.
@@Sergio-nb4hj jazz is learn the rules and sttucture but play what you feel...no wrong notes. louis cole is someone who idolized jack dejhonette and tony williams but decided to similarly stick to grid. in way and tempo not far from this hes so much fun as musician . chris dave mentioned in video is jazz drummr who is inspired by hip hop un quantized pioneer j dilla. was similar approach to different genre done by machine then emulated by people ...awesome sounds: ) eloy from slipknot is brazilian samba in his blood. loves metal though machine
haha yep. I was á predominantly self taught drummer in bands for 12 years, The thing I’ve noticed is that the most technically proficient players have either a metal or jazz background.
But metal players often can’t chill or play anything truly funky, so jazz players were always the most impressive to me.
This kid and Squarepusher need to cross paths.
Yes
Damn straight. Who else would you put in that band?
@@charlescornell2951 Kurt Cobain
@@charlescornell2951Venetian Snares
Yes squarepusher Thomas Jenkinson, truly a great musician
This is fascinating. The skill and dexterity is mind blowing 🤯
Of COURSE you're here. Of course you are. You're ovsessed with music, huh? In the purest sense. Love it
Andrew - "Alright... should we have a jam?!"
Russell - "No."
🤣
best part
🤣
bro i died
Hahaha same!! 😂
Lmao so unexpected 😂
It's not only speed, it's precision. Dude's like a metronome.
This is what really makes it. If you start rushing/dragging even a little, you lose that programmed feel
Well to be fair, he does use a clicktrack. Doesn't make it any less impressive though :)
@@StefanCreatesA click doesn't prevent you from rushing/dragging lol
@@rot_studios I was referring to the metronome remark
It's crazy, right? 😅
Russell is so legit man. Knows exactly how to fill and proves not only his talent but also his knowledge on how he needs to play. 💯 He’s a musician through and through and not just doing random stuff until it sounds good.
He is the drummer in Clown Core?
@@syalda0001 😐 you joking?
@@crnkmnky I’ll take that as a no…
@@syalda0001 It has to be Louis Cole.
@syalda0001 he has actually played a lot on Caroline Polachecks newest album, and also on her Tiny desk, although not much dnb drumming, still really talented!
03:25 "I can't be reading a chart" - That would actually be hilarious and work well on stage, play a pattern a full speed and have somebody furiously turn pages of notation for you :D
Dude, it was an awesome episode. I love how you guys combined the interviewing with live presentation of techniques and jamming as the cherry on the top
I noticed the name Holzman and wondered if there was a connection to Adam Holzman (former keyboardist for Miles Davis and current keyboardist for Steven Wilson). Turns out Russell is his son! Fascinating to see the musical talent passed down through generations. Additionally, they are both heirs to the Elektra Records empire.
no way thats crazy!!
😯 Grandson of Jac Holzman, founder of Elektra Records, Nonesuch Records, and Cordless Recordings? Technology shepherd and one of the last living founders of a major record label?
Still kicking at 95. 😎
I thought the same thing. Adam is a genius. Seen him live many times with Steven Wilson.
That’s pretty awesome, people might shit on him for being a nepo kid but he is obviously highly educated and has put in his own work to become a professional musician. Plus - passing wealth whether currency or legacy to family is the dream! Seems like he’s holding down the family name perfectly.
@@TacoCrismanothin inherently wrong with being a nepo kid, just means they get the freedom to pursue music to this kind of extent
12:10 dude that 1 bar on/off was SO SICK. That is such a special jam moment of blending electronic styles with real live performance
You should also check out the drummer Dan Mayo
Wait till you find out about clown core
@@arjunsrivastava3652 louis cole andrew huang collab when
beautiful
This is awesome because he's obviously INSANELY talented, but he's reminding us that it's all about putting in the work. He's not getting these after the first listen. I think patience and work ethic are also talents that are severely underrated.
Talented? I think he worked his ass off, he wasn’t born with a snare and stick in hand
Skilled is the word you’re looking for. That’s what putting in the work means. Most artists continue to work hard despite what amount of talent they have.
Read back définition of talent bruh
Also a lot of ingenuity
Discipline always beats talent
Note that even in the early 2000's there were drummers that performed junle DnB. while it gained popularity recently, it was already a type of beat that _specificly_ jazz players liked to play around and improvise on back then. As an example: Nerve & Jojo Meyer released a fusion jazz album in 2009 where the whole album has DnB acoustic drums.
That being said i really like that ungle and DnB is making a comeback. I really liked that jam session.
KJ Sawka
I’m a producer myself, been doing stuff since 2001ish, and also played drums in a few bands for like 10 years, and my #1 drumming influence was old jungle & breakbeat/hardcore tracks from the 90s! So I started out emulating chopped up amens just like Russell, but he’s developed his chops to superhuman levels. So inspiring and it’s making me want to bust out the kit again!
I would kill for a live DNB album from you guys holy
Can we get some more likes over here, please? ^
Same i cannot stress this enough
Makeithappen!
upvoting to the moon!!
no
The beats during the "one measure on, one measure off" section were crazy creative! Thanks!!!
So good! He has paid such intimate attention to the genre that he sounds just like a chopped jungle beat. Wicked skill to witness and wildly fun listening
Can't decide if the 1-on 1-off was my favorite part, or if it's when he is so zoned in on transcribing a bar in the iPad he basically shoo's Andrew 😅
It's probably the beats tbh but it's close, man
As a drummer, this is way more interesting to me than lots of stuff put out by drum channels. Nice to hear a drummer interviewed by such a knowledgeable and curious musician. Great stuff!
Agreed. This is like drumeo but more focused on sound production and with a different flair to it
For sure.
And ...just listening to him play these slowed down phrases, the sheer quality of his timing feel and control of textures cuts through
Because they all mostly seem to focus on rock and/ or metal, which is quite frankly stale in comparison to the content he puts out.
Its gotta swing ! ...and that doesnt mean no rock .
Jon Bonham?
Simon Kirke?
Mitch Mitchell?
Ginger Baker?
Charlie Watts ?
That's just off the top of my head ...
These young fellas are super impressive. The drummer is not only playing but transcribing is just so cool and solidifies good learning and trains your listening ear so well over time. Steve Vai didn't become a legendary guitarist just by practicing guitar he transcribed all of Frank Zappas gigs so Frank had a record of what he played during tours.Steve just picked up so many amazing tricks and lessons from transcribing for Zappa. Now he's one of the greats.
That’s dope! I appreciate his commitment, not cutting corners anywhere. He could easily go with a hybrid drum setup.
Damn that kid is impressive.
I was never a fan of Jungle (at least, the Ragga Jungle that was popular in Toronto in the 90s) but I used to spin techy DnB for a while.
The DnB scene was pretty crowded in Toronto at the time, so I switched to spinning UK Hard House, but it would be great to see DnB making a comeback. It's still such good music.
dnb never left, its just more evolved. The movement in TO nowadays is North American style showy, but still amazing.
Woah, hello not just bikes
You used to DJ? Can you be more awesome?
Pleasant suprise seeing you here!
NOT JUST BIKES MENTIONED! FUCK CAR!
I did live d'n'b in the 90s , but with 2 drummers and vinyl turntables, synths and a primitive live-sampler. It was basically live-remixing. We played huge warehouse parties. So much fun, pretty intense as well. I noticed Russell on IG a while ago and he is giving me flashbacks, so gooood !
That sounds super cool! Are there any recordings of them?
@@tsumugijohnson3220 there had been videos, but that all got lost.
What a shame. Would love to see that live! @@DonRogall
@@nickkohlmann those were wild times and I'd love to see that footage myself...
Primitive live sampler? Please divulge more info. As the equipment I used sure as funk couldn't be used "live" in the modern sense of "on the fly recording editing playback" - pre recorded samples sure no problem, but processing times for hardware, and storage speeds for software were huge issues for "live" stuff. Prime example, like dnb form around the time , Roni size & Reprazent - watch some videos of them live in the early days. The samples taken AGES to load - whole bars pass while the next sample is getting chopped and stretched, filled in with DJ scratches, MC-ing or live drum breaks.
Russell is absolutely amazing! Had so much fun working on this session 🙌🙌
This video is still awesome, really inspiring, part of the reason why i got a drum set too. I keep coming back to it to hear the jam at the end.
I could easily watch a one hour long video of you two pumping out a dnb jam together. Although i felt this upload was wayyyy too short i thoroughly enjoyed every second of it. 🔥
As someone who's been into hardcore breaks and jungle since day one, but is now into metal and rock, I love it when pro drummers give it love. I always knew it was special music.
Yo ever check out the jungle drummer? He would take his kit to the rave back in the day
I met a guy who runs a d’n’b magazine. He told me that nearly all the guys he knows that make music in the scene are metalheads. I don’t know if you’re aware of an artist called klute, but he was the drummer in a beloved uk hardcore punk band called the stupids.
@@zappasmoustache23 Yup, I know Klute well. It's not just metalheads, I feel most junglists are incredibly eclectic. I try and listen to everything. Only music I don't like is modern manufactured pop and country.
Suuuuch a great video! Super cool to get an insight into the magic 🙏🏼
Ayo what did not expect to find a Clint in these comments
Oh shit look who it is haha
As a drummer and audio production nerd I approve! This is super cool. The jam is giving me Nerve vibes
Russell takes me back to proper '90s drum and bass. I love his skills and the sound of his drum kit.
In the early 00s in NYC, I was studying bass performance at The Collective NYC, which was a small conservatory/vocational school for professional musicians, where I ended up working as studio/facility manager. At the time "reverse engineering" DnB "breaks" was a new concept. One of our teachers at the time Guy Licata, who went on to play with Bill Laswells live Dubbed out version of Drum and Bass called "Method Of Defiance". I highly recommend y'all looking it up! As I recall Guy was working with one of the major cymbal companies creating these crazy cymbals that recreated the sound of the drums used in what we still referred to as IDM, 😂 old heads will remember how many artists bristled at the term😂. I'm just an old cat (53) giving a shout of respect to the new cats, and letting folks know the history of live breaks playing is deeper than you may realize. Much respect!
Got to love how we've come full circle with drummers now playing breakbeats which were created (sampled) from drum solos from tracks like The Winstons' Amen, Brother.
It's amazing.
Eh? We came full circle 25 years ago, Clive Deamer with Ronnie Size, and followed by others including Zach Danziger, Tony Verderosa, JoJo Mayer, etc. live DnB is decades old now
Dude, Red Snapper were performing live DnB with a double bass and live drummer way back in the 1990s... check out Hot Flush
@@SuperMickyChow I was about to mention Red Snapper, saw them once live in the 90's and it was amazing!
That last jam was straight out of Tekken 3! 😀
A lot of what he does sounds like its from a PlayStation game. The nostalgia is real
Had the same thought. The nostalgia hit hard.
Oh shit, now that you mention it, it’s sorta like a mix of Jack and Bryan’s themes in T3
One of the greats already !!
This is insane! Idk why but there's something about this jam that makes it... intense? Once the jam starts there's no small talk, pure creativity and rhythm. Love the chemistry between you two!
The amount of downplaying how freaking cool a live breakcore jam session is by these two absolute legends is astounding.
This is insane cant beleive this dude charts it all out and doesnt play by ear sounds so natural,he is amazing
The control on these drums is insane
that ending song was so good, I need a whole EP
other drummers playing this style on acoustic drums include Jojo Mayer, Ben Anderson, The Dux, and more
One of the great older ones is The Dux playing Squarepusher Theme on TH-cam
Along with gerwin eisenhauer, zach danziger (around 2000)
Ooh and johnny rabb
KJ Sawka is an OG live DnB drummer
JD Beck tho
Jungle drummer
Not taking anything away from this guy, but I've got to give props to Jojo Meyer who was doing this 20/30 years ago
What a special drummer skills and cooperation ! This is great and I thrive for more !
You are really a good interviewer interviewing a fantastic talented drummer. respect
I love both that you're giving musicians like these more of a platform and that you're giving your audience a peek behind their curtain - would love to see more of these!
This is dope. I'm just now learning how to sight read for guitar and I am super psyched to watch him transcribe this.
Love this guy, so awesome to hear how hard he works on these
Huge W, loved his music and was so excited when he covered one of my songs. Amazing
as someone teaching myself music production and currently in a dnb/jungle phase, seeing you play live with the effects has given me some great inspiration. Thank you!
Sometimes you gotta get a beat and keyboard/synth just jam to a sick drum beat if it gets good record, back to the computer fill in blanks, finish track EQ, track complete show friends and family
the craziest part in my opinion is how insanely well spoken russell is.
most drummers are dumb as bricks (myself included), so when you ask us something we usually don't know how to explain it, it's usually all feel, but russell knows exactly what he's doing and has the ability to communicate it, which is a HIGHLY under appreciated quality. super smart guy from what I've seen.
In my experience the dumbest and hardest to work with are guitarists
feak and weeble
@@lastavros projection
Amazing. I saw some underground live drum and bass in 2000 in NYC and couldn't believe this was possible to recreate live. This guy is killing it with the level of detail. Want to see more of this for sure!
Nice, glad you two did a video together! Glad to see more drummers doing breakbeats
Respect. Was watching you throw down over a decade ago. 🙏
A bunch of people in this comment section Big Up’n your name too. Respect to the highest sir! 🙌
@@jolemite2639cheers my dude you rule!
@@KJSawkaOfficial nah bud, YOU’RE the MAN. Long live the Breaks. You’ve been a huge inspiration.
If anyone here is a fan of Russell and hasn't already heard of Jojo Mayer, definitely check him out! He's been one of my favorites for years, and he has a concept with his band Nerve that is eerily similar to what Andrew says around 2:07 - imitating machines that are imitating humans; he called it "exploring the space between 0 and 1."
I came here to mention Jojo. Dude is phenomenal.
Nerve is sick
Ok JoJo
@@kraenk12 I wish
Try Louis cole
Ive been wanting to see a well made video about this type of music, with beats sliced up, w/ live drumming of those sliced beats, and you guys hit the nail on the head. Thanks so much to both of you! Machine Girl does stuff like this live and its so sick.
As a DnB artist myself, this is super impressive. I take a slightly unique approach to my production because I’m mostly dawless. Usually I find a break that I like that’s usually jazz or hip hop, play with pitch, speed it up or down, chop it, layer it and pad perform on my MPC or Digitakt. I also colour in extra percs and ghost notes with one shots, so to see this all live just blows my mind.
That was awesome, great musicianship from both of you. Andrew is also a great interviewer!
nice one! been a dnb/jungle fan since the 90's. love seeing stuff like this. amazing drumming.
adding that chaos pad... -chef's kiss x
This is a music genre which wasn't supposed to be played live so far. You guys changed the game! Very impressive!
It's been played live since near the start.
London Elektricity Big Band
@@triturn8676 I checked them out. Thank's for the hint. Gotta dig more into it.
@@n1nj4l1nk From my experience drum n bass crossed my roads mainly in a DJ setup (and don't get me wrong: I have great amount of respect, when DJing is executed well - difficult enough). Thank's for expanding my musical knowledge.
Roni Size was playing live DnB with a drummer in 1995 (as was I, with my band and at jam nights between 1995 - 98. It was a very exciting time in music!)
Even tho not too experienced, as an Amateur Jungle Producer. The live jam session was REALLY GOOD. LIKE REALLY REALLY GOOD! I loved it. You guys should release it
Thanks Andrew and Russell. Keep doing what you guys are doing, it's inspiring. Cheers.
Russel is like the son of DnB and Jungle drumming virtuoso Jojo Mayer, who also started as jazz drummer! Heck yeah!
I’m so glad someone here mentioned Jojo Mayer! This is not a new concept, that dude has been doing this for decades.
@TheTokyoAmducias Yeah, Jojo Mayer is a living legend! I would like to know if Jojo was (and is) a big influence on Russel. My guess would be yes, but of course I really don't know.
Jojo is probably that drummers biggest hero.
He is Adam Holzman's son actually 🙃
I've been listening to dnb/jungle all day at work and this pops up on my lunch break. So perfect. I've been known to chop me up some amens and Apaches in my spare time, so much respect. Mostly in mod trackers to this day, although full on DAW production is still a good time.
Trackers. The good old days 🎉
It's great to see Andrew interviewing such high levels of talented musicians. You have the expert interviewing another expert. It's crazy to almost see Andrew with another musician who's perhaps even more obsessive than he is. Great content!
That bar on, bar off part at the end was amazing! So much happening.
You had great chemistry during the jam session at the end, could totally see this turning into a full length track. Both very talented musicians. 🔥
Holy hell the part during the jam with the delay and one bar on/off was fucking sick. I second what someone said that I’d buy a whole album of this
The jam at the end was so good!!! Shout out you guys oh my 🤩
This is sick. I would love to see you guys do this again but add in JoJo Mayor, hes literally the godfather of drum & bass drumming.
This was a great watch, especially since I've only seen your clips on reddit. Clearly, incredible talent, and I will be sure to tune in as much as possible.
this video is very inspiring, just amazed by the work ethic and attention to detail! Great stuff :D
You're a legend Andrew!
Has Andrew never heard of Jo Jo Meyer?
Cause he’s been doing exactly this for over 25 years !
Literally exactly this
jojo is in another league
Exactly this, except so much better, JoJo is a litteral god.
I’ve seen JoJo play live once, pretty amazing!
I mean it's not like he's claiming he created this
Kj sawka is worth checking out
That was dope!
I love live drums, but also really into drum machines and break beats. The hybrid is cool. JD Beck does have a similar vibe.
Also cool that he is on tour with Caroline.
Hey i just wanted to say that this was great interviewing here. Really enjoyable and informative
I loved the video but the final performances really shocked me! WOW, amazing! 😯😲😲👏👏👏
Nice. Super clean with great care and attention to detail.
But, Jojo Mayer has been doing this since at least 1997 when he formed Nerve. He’s the original DnB/Jungle, real drums master.
No one said this guy is "the king" of anything. And even if: should we just only listen to and appreciate the work of one specific drummer and eff the rest?
@@nicholasbrosseau3405 no, check out some other DnB heads like Rob Merrill and Yuval Gabay too
@@nicholasbrosseau3405 no, check out Clive Deamer, Rob Merrill, Yuval Gabay too
Yep, they are presenting it like it's a new hot thing, but he is just doing exactly what Jojo did in his DVD back in 90th.
Another dude who has been doing this is Deantoni Parks of Kudu. He's most known playing in The Mars Volta and Bosnian Rainbows(he woukd play keys and drums at the same time!)
If you love DnB on real drums you need to check out Jojo Mayer. He's doing it for 30 years and he's a real master in this genre.
Also Richard Spaven, KJ Sawka
fucking yes boy @@nickrails
The final jam is just on another level 😮💨🥵🔥
It's nice from him to show his workflow and on top he is a likeable guy, I wish him good luck with his career.
That was the most insane jam session I think I've ever seen!
I have always felt that jungle/DnB drumming was just jazz drumming but sped up, and this seems make that true. I'm sure you could argue that jazz drumming has effected everything, including the original Amen Break, but just the idea of a drum kit and a bass going nuts just feels so jazzy to me. Great video!
Yeah in a sense and thus funk grooves like James browns drummers grooves, speed em up and there ya go.
jazz druming is a swung beat, jungle is drummachine mentronimic, they are polar opposite. jungle is sped up funk
@@krusher74 I was mostly thinking about how much emphasis there is on playing with rhythm and groove that makes me think of jazz, or at least jazz-fusion.
that jam session was INSANE!! 🔥🔥🔥
I like how nobody talks about Louis Cole or Jojo Mayer 🫡
exactly
Jojo is *exactly* who I thought of. His single hand rolls and push-pull stuff are outrageous. Don’t know Louis Cole. I’ll check him out.
because everyone has been talking about them for the past 10-15 years. They get plenty of press. Let the new kid get some exposure
@@pocket1684 Yeah but he’s nowhere near yet, and I was referring at the comments, not the video itself..
Thought of Louis Cole immediately, Clown Core is incredible
Russell is my new favourite TH-cam drummer! subbed both channels. Awesome!
Really appreciate these fun light hearted videos!
Should we have a jam? No...
proceeds to have the dream jam
Dude’s a beast. 🫡
This guy is a human computer 🤯
That's from practising at very slow tempos with a metronome.
Building the inner clock.
Absolutely awesome video!
Russells playing as well is his demeanor is pure class.
The answer to the question: "How does the depth affect the sound of the snare?" is this:
The deeper it is, the more airy and breathy the sound will be.
Deeper drums (6.5 + ) are generally preserve body better when tuned up and handle hard playing better in terms of sound.
Thinner snares will preserve coherence in sound and feel better when tuned low.
Both can sound perfect for the track in any tuning, though.
Oh my goodness you two are good together! Last part is incredible
Actually nuts to see him play these songs, first time I saw him was when he covered some of my tracks on twitter, I felt so happy and honored when I saw him covering them!
We need Jungle I'm afraid.
I know I didn’t watch the whole video but I love Drum and Bass, Andrew is the God of music!😃
Found him randomly on IG, dude is killing it, brought back memories of soundtracks from 2000s games and early Amon Tobin. Nice shirt!
Sending good vibes from the g ride atmosphere Canadian ska channel
A guy named the overclock orchestra has been doing this for decades. He also use to trigger melodies, bass lines and harmonies while playing in time using a foot controller switching between live hits and clips in Ableton live on his electronic kit
Sawka would be proud
Dude accidentally became a DnB producer
Great interview, very natural just two musicians talking shop. And amazing jam to top it off. You gained a follower with me.
Okay wow, this was truly inspiring. Thank you for the awesome video
The fact that we're at the stage where this kid plays "what works on social media" paints a very grim future for art.
What would you have him do that would brighten up that grim future?
It’s just one thing he’s doing… and it’s sick!