I'm a metalhead and I'm using your advice to clean up my basics after too many years trying to go for the fancy stuff right away. I've increased my top speed by like 20 bpm by working on my grip at 60 bpm after watching your videos. You might not be the best at teaching high level, ultra fast metal drumming, but your lessons are perfect for getting ready for those things properly.
I'm 60-years-old, been playing since I was 11. I can't even tell you the difference having access to this GREAT INFO would have made when I was starting out (Internet didn't happen for me until I was in my 30's) Stephen, THANK YOU for being an awesome teacher. ** My pedal is dialed in, it's great to know it though. Now I just got to keep it kickin' (pun intended) -- Yeah, I play my Roland TD-17KVX in my small apt. Drum Every day ... and Keep on drumming!!
Hey Stephen! FWIW I am a metalhead but like your channel for the reminders and tips on fundamentals and your humble demeanor. A lot of us learned the hard way that focusing all your efforts on speed and advanced techniques like heal-toe/push-pull/freehand/etc. often means neglecting practicing the skills that actually make you sound consistent, clean, and confident.
My first purchase after getting my little starter kit was a double pedal. Thrash and death core are my aim, but without a solid foundation, I don't think I'll stick to it long enough to get there. That, my friend, is why I keep watching your videos.
Excellent video, I’ve been playing for 45 years and been paid to play for 33. Still learning stuff, still evolving as a drummer. Good useful content and easy to implement. Thank you!
I’ve been practicing with an ancient kit, and pedal, with the beater taped on ☠️ I got a cheap, but new pedal today. It’s so loose. I had to get some ideas! Thank you!
I used to have my beater very close too, when I was starting. Nowadays I have it at around 60°. I do occasionally get bruised feet, if I'm playing barefoot, from the rebound! Anyway, I can verify what you've said, counter-intuitively, it gives more speed and control. Thanks for another great video, you always talk about those small things no one else does and they make a big difference.
You are of great service to us drummers, I cannot imagine that no drum teacher I ever had ever talked to me about where to place the foot on the foot plate!
WOW! I thought I had the correct angle on my pedals, but was probably closer to 30-ish degrees. Just by changing my angles on my pedals to maybe a touch over 45 degrees, I noticed an instant improvement in speed and responsiveness! I cannot wait to practice with my "new" and improved bass drum pedals. Thanks so much!
Well in a 50 year old self taught drummer who started when he was 15 and played in a whole host of different bands until I was 22 when life got in the way and am now back in the saddle and appreciative of whatever and however advice I can get with so much as a click of mouse…. Quit belly aching and, you don’t know how lucky you are!!
I just got a used kit again. Haven’t played in over 8 years. Managed to audition for my local church and become a part of their lineup now. I know I’m definitely gonna have to put more into playing around with the options and see what works and gives me more room for growth. In the past, everything was based on branding and expectations. Not many people actually adjusted things to unlock the full potential of their equipment. They just kinda let it be. I regret not experimenting because it definitely limited me and made things tougher than they needed to be
Cheers mate. Self taught and never knew about the 45 degree angle. I knew something was wrong with my kick set and could never figure out what. I’ve tried everything else and can’t wait to try out some doubles on the kick!
since I watched this show a while ago I tightened up my spring... fantastic. Mines as tight as it can go now... I don't play softly often fortunately. Like you said something we don't think on much... these details are so important and glossed over at the same time. Thanks for your show.
First, I want to say your videos have been a great help to me over the past several months. I have need for a cocktail set from time to time. I would love to see you do a video on setting up your pedal for a cocktail set.
Hi Stephen, I am learning to play again after a 40 year hiatus and I was pleased to find I did exactly what you suggested on your video as to, how to speed up your pedal with angle and spring tension. I downloaded the 30 days pdf and look forward to seeing the results. I like your style and methods as I have no desire to be glamorous just a good pocket drummer.
Stephen, such a good job on this video. Honestly totally explains why drummers of today, even very young ones, have ever increasing skill levels compared to drummers when I began pro drumming. I talking about the internet and fabulous content like yours which really shortcut a way to skill improvement. This is so awesome, and you really hit on all the important knowledge a newer drummer needs to get on the right path quickly. I can't help but contrast this with my own history when I turned pro in 1973. I learned all of these things the hard way. I was generally not miked as a rule, and developed a heel up and ball of my foot back on the board for power and much needed volume. When I'm at a gig to play softly, I switch to heel down and results very much like illustrate here. I had to learn on the fly, thank God it didn't take me long as many players still need your advice. I've seen this with many other players that have never learned these things which make playing easier. Thank you for a job well done.
Stephen question about kick. When I bury the beater and hold it there. Instead of one note, it sounds like the beater is hitting 3 or 4 times. Like a roll with your stick. I hope I explained that so toy understand. Thanks, your videos are top notch.
This is a very good lesson. I am a rock drummer to help increase speed and power I use a beater angle slightly greater ten a 45 degree angle and use a spring tension slightly less then half way up. for double bass playing I am 62 years old and can play up to 190 - 200 BPM. I use Pearl Red Line Eliminators.
So many great tips in this. For myself, all I can say after a lifetime of playing, and doing this-then that, at gigs…try different things and see what works for you! No two players are the same. You WILL find “your” setup after experimenting. 🇨🇦👍🏼
I've only been playing for a few years, and I've never liked the feel of my Yamaha kick pedal. I just assumed it was that this Yamaha is an inexpensive pedal. I had even considered upgrading to a DW. After watching this, I realized the out of the box beater angle for my pedal was around 60°. I adjusted it to the 45° you recommended, and wow. It feels so much better. What a simple change! Thanks!
Hey bro thank you for the info that is freaking awesome I just figured out that you were so right on the 45 degree angle and it made my life and my bass drum sound so much better thank you
I've combed through so many double bass pedal videos hoping to find someone that showed the high hat pedal INSIDE the bass pedals. THANK YOU! I'm trying to set my drums up with double pedals now and found that the 'standard' position was pushing the placement of my high hat too far to the left - not good. So positioning the left bass pedal to the outside just made a whole lot ergonomic sense. I'm kind of surprised that no one talks about this at all. Thanks for showing me it's OK!
definitely the spring tension for me, i have the DW9002 and it´s amazing and smooth but when i do douple´s, my legmuscles cramp up and i have to push more to make the action happen, maybe I need adjust it more, thank you for a great video lesson
Thank you for these videos. Do you have a video on how to best place your foot on the kick pedal? I've been told to press with my toe, but I see you using your whole foot.
Hey Stephan you are totally correct as far as the pedal setup. The only thing I notice that I do differently, Is I have a much longer thro on the pedal. It makes it way easier to get three or four strikes as well as two triplets back to back. I was taught this by someone who set up his pedal the same way Bonham did. That was with the tallest, longest throw. possible without the beater detaching from the pedal. I have a friend that keeps a short throw and even though he has somehow doubled his speed, It is nothing compared to what he could be doing with a longer throw. I adjust my spring tension as loose as it can go yet with the maximum response time. however not so tight that my calf cramps up or starts to strain. the down side to the long throw is that some will complain that the beater is coming back too far and hitting their shin. That can be minimized by scooting the thrown back. the placement of my foot will be not too high that it chokes out your speed and not too low that it feels like it is taking too much effort to contact the head
Experiment with different springs too for your pedal say if you have it maxed out and still isn't that great of tension or rebound? Go with a tougher spring! Or you might need a new spring if it's old?
THANK YOU SO MUCH!!!!!!!!!!! After watching this video I found out the beater was too tall, too much foot board and not enough spring tension. Rebound was abysmal and I always thought it was me. I also have a DW9000 so I cheated and used your pedal for reference. I also placed enough spring tension where at rest my foot was "half way" and wow does it ever make a difference!
Use an under desk elliptical trainer to increase your foot and leg strength at the drum pedals. Go forward and back pedal on the trainer. Use when computing, watching TV, etc. Get a mobile design for easy placement.
Hi Stephen. Thanks for your videos, they are helping a lot because I am new to drums. I would like to point out that it was difficult for me to kick 2 consecutive beats with control (let say on 3 and 3&). Suddently I realized that I had full control and it was easier to kick precisely. I then looked at my pedal and I saw that my foot had slipped toward the chain. It was one inch from the chain instead of 2 inches. I like it this way. I have more control as if I was "cutting" my baseball bat just like Matty Alou was doing. For now, this foot placement makes my drum playing better.
I have to play on a practice room kit with whatever's there. Pock marked heads, collapsing and sliding stands, pedals that don't attach properly to bass drums and have never been adjusted.
Thank you so much brother I'm 53 years old I have a pearl with pasty symbols and my 15 year old son wants to jam with me and I was really having problems until you enlightened me
Stephen I play jazz at low volume low power always. I struggle with Samba bass drum rhythms that are 190~220BPM. I guess I need lower spring tension and a “higher “ angle (less distance between beater and bass drum head)??
I made all the adjustments to my pedal when I first got it and it has never earned up to being a fast pedal. It is an Alesis pedal that cam with the electronic drums. My next trip to town will be to purchase a DW5000.
I need a pedal with a very strong spring. I can play super fast if I have that rebound , that return tension. I got an iron cobra? Last time and it was so weak I couldn't get the speed. The other pedal I used decades ago that worked well for me was a speed king? I used the two tension screws at maximum and I could do double base type stuff with one pedal. What pedal should I use nowadays?
😐 sometimes it simply depends on the pedal. My advice, go to a music shop and test the pedals. I went to Sam ash in nyc and they had pedals you can try out. My winner? Iron cobra. So effortless, quick response. I guess that's why they're so popular. Dyna sync is so expensive!😢
what would be an optimised foot pedal for pretty much exclusively playing fairly quietly. so its not louder than playing with rods for example? one other question. do you think vaseline would work well for the pedal lubricant
Thank you so much for the video. It's very helpful. I have a question that I hope you can help me with. I play heel up and I bury my beater. When my spring is tight, my pedal sometimes makes unwanted hits when I bury the beater. I hope you know what I mean. I hit the bass drum, and then because the tension is high, the pedal has an extra unwanted hit. How do I avoid that?
I just purchased a new drum kit with a small 18 inch bass drum after trying it out just twice and not having touched the drums for 6 months I'll make sure I'll take time the next time I use them to get the beater angle corrected and use a bass drum riser so that the the beaters on my new drum workshop 50th anniversary double pedals so they are hitting the centre of the bass drum and not the top of the head
I would caution against using graphite powder for a lubricant. It did not work well as a lubricant on my DW9000 a year later it still leaves black residue on my bass drum rim.
Nice topic to discuss man!! Personally i think that power playing depends on what is the selected technique someone chooses so with heel down you can't play loud much enough and you loose consistency so you must turn to heel up way to eliminate weak kicks and more consistent. So the 45degree isn't the point so much i think!Also talking for spring tension as much tight you have it depends on what genre you play.A metal drummer must get it lower at tension to achieve speeds and select the heel up to balance the speed with the attack so will have and loud hits and great speeds.
As strange as it may seem, cheap, lightly-built pedals are often much faster and easier to control than 'good' pedals. The tradeoff is having a pedal that needs to be checked and adjusted a lot.
Brother what does it mean if I’m pulling my beater back and the pedal sticks upright? Like it doesn’t bounce like yours with the beater. Is the hinge on the floor board like the foot pedal compromised keeping it from bouncing like that?
Hi l really enjoy the content you are putting out! What material can you recommend for the further development of 4 way coordination to an intermediate/ advanced level?
I mistakenly cranked the spring tension for speed playing with double pedals. I played an open mic with one pedal with looser tension what a difference. I can play with one pedal what I used to require two. I can still play 180 BPM with loose setting on Iron Cobra. I'm not a metal player so super fast not important I just want to be able to do everything.
I've had a DW 3000 double pedal for 8 years and never adjusted it..... This video hopefully is just what I need, cuz doing quick doubles on a single right side pedal piss me off, because the pedal feels slow.
As far as lubricating the pedal, I tried "dry lube". It did nothing but make a mess. Dry lube, in my experience as a mechanic too, anything "dry" can't lubricate like a good grease. I use marine grease. it goes on where I need it. It doesn't leak like other grease and it makes the pedals perform nicely. I use it on all my moving hardware. But Graphite and similar lubricants, to me, would wear things down and cause friction. It's dry and can feel gritty. You don't want that. Spray lubricants, on the other hand, don't work for long, disappears, leaving you dry again.
Great tips, going right now to try out his information. I have a question where can I get the practice drum heads you use, I have a sound issue where I live. Take a fan.
Hi Stephen. Another great video. All tips were very helpful. How much are you "resting" your foot on the pedal? Should I have any weight on the pedal when it is at rest? Thank you.
Very helpful video as always. New drummer but ultimately want to play double kicks so for my first pedals I went with Tama speed cobras. The footboards are so long I think they might be working against me because at the store I tried an average sized pedal and it was WAY less effort to play. I’m a girl, size 8 in men’s shoes. Is the long footboard a mistake or what doesn’t kill me will make my foot stronger?
You should be fine with a long board. You may want to try applying force closer to the center of the pedal board as opposed to having your foot cover all of the foot board.
I'm glad someone has mentioned shoe size. Most people who talk about moving the pedal beater angle so it's further away from the drum head are over 6' tall and have massive flippers for feet! I'm the opposite. I am 5'3" and have tiny size 6 mens feet (7 in US sizes). I have a hard time getting the beater all the way to the drum head, when I am playing kick doubles when it is angled further away. I discovered that smaller feet cannot depress the pedal down as far as larger feet can, because smaller feet have to compensate for the greater relative distance by swivelling their ankle joint through a much greater angle. It's simple trigonometry. The ball of the foot will travel through a greater distance with larger feet as it will for someone with smaller feet if both their ankles are flexing through the same arc angle. One way to compensate for this is to slide your foot further back on the pedal board, so it doesn't depress as far. As there is also greater leverage here (and more resistance) I've found slacking off the spring tension helps. This is all counter-intuitive to the advice given here, which may be true for people with larger feet.
@@benjaminpeternorris I have mine angled farther away as most suggest to do but reading your response I’m definitely going to try angling it a bit closer. Thanks !
There's also a trade there in where you want to impact the drum, that is, how close to center? And what size drum? And if you want it to feel heavier but it's too high on the drum, you can use a beater weight. But I digress.. 😉
I've used a pretty wide range of pedals and it's not an easy answer. It depends on what you're playing with it and your preferences, and the differences are relatively minor. For example, the direct-drive longboard pedals that brands like Trick and Axis specialize in are very light, let you shift lower onto the footboard at speed, and transfer more rebound into the beater, which makes them great for extreme metal stuff where you need to save stamina when at high speeds for long durations or need very strong rebound for quick doubles. However, the light weight can compromise power, the sensitivity can make very quiet playing re: jazz feel more awkward, it can be harder to consistently maintain certain volumes, and they're exorbitantly priced. Chain, strap (somewhat rarer now), and direct drive pedals feel a bit different, and it can take time to feel comfortable after switching. For well-rounded pop/rock/metal contexts, I really like the Iron Cobra Power Glide pedals - the weight and offset cam give your strokes a really consistent volume, and they don't cost half a cheap car. Not ideal for jazz, but really comfortable for just about anything else.
One word: synergy ;) Okay that was tongue in cheek but there is that going on here so kudos for taking this on. There are so many parts that go into good foot control and speed. And I'll define speed just as being fast enough to do what you need to in the genre you normally play in as opposed to speed metal drummers or those guys who value speed above all else... people who actually try to play as fast as humanly possible, which I find amusing. One thing you left out, two things actually, and I think I saw you cover the other one in a different video. That's seat height or playing height. Tangent: go watch a video of BJ Wilson. Fantastic drummer who played so low you could only see hands flying all over the set and maybe catch a glimpse of his head above the toms./tangent. The second thing is pedalboard height. Many modern pedals have board height and beater angle adjustability. Pedalboard height and seat height are probably the two main variables for me. Beater angle at 45 or slightly more is fine w/ me. So... my only real point here is that all these things have an importance and getting them all sorted out is no small accomplishment. Then of course there is what notes to play andwhat notes NOT to play. Taste and feel. Great video as usual.
I think when you say "test it out" is the best advice in this video. many beginners may not even think of adjusting beater angle or spring tension. or they are not confident just trying. trying is very important.
I'm a metalhead and I'm using your advice to clean up my basics after too many years trying to go for the fancy stuff right away. I've increased my top speed by like 20 bpm by working on my grip at 60 bpm after watching your videos. You might not be the best at teaching high level, ultra fast metal drumming, but your lessons are perfect for getting ready for those things properly.
I'm 60-years-old, been playing since I was 11. I can't even tell you the difference having access to this GREAT INFO would have made when I was starting out (Internet didn't happen for me until I was in my 30's) Stephen, THANK YOU for being an awesome teacher. ** My pedal is dialed in, it's great to know it though. Now I just got to keep it kickin' (pun intended) -- Yeah, I play my Roland TD-17KVX in my small apt. Drum Every day ... and Keep on drumming!!
Value your back to basics for ANY level drummer. You also explain concepts very well. Thanks again.
Hey Stephen! FWIW I am a metalhead but like your channel for the reminders and tips on fundamentals and your humble demeanor. A lot of us learned the hard way that focusing all your efforts on speed and advanced techniques like heal-toe/push-pull/freehand/etc. often means neglecting practicing the skills that actually make you sound consistent, clean, and confident.
My first purchase after getting my little starter kit was a double pedal. Thrash and death core are my aim, but without a solid foundation, I don't think I'll stick to it long enough to get there. That, my friend, is why I keep watching your videos.
Excellent video, I’ve been playing for 45 years and been paid to play for 33. Still learning stuff, still evolving as a drummer. Good useful content and easy to implement. Thank you!
Don’t sell yourself short! I’m a metal head 🤘🏻 and I find your videos very helpful! All music relates in some way 💯
I’ve been practicing with an ancient kit, and pedal, with the beater taped on ☠️ I got a cheap, but new pedal today. It’s so loose. I had to get some ideas! Thank you!
Great lesson - beginner just setting up drumset. Excellent details, thank you.
I used to have my beater very close too, when I was starting. Nowadays I have it at around 60°. I do occasionally get bruised feet, if I'm playing barefoot, from the rebound! Anyway, I can verify what you've said, counter-intuitively, it gives more speed and control. Thanks for another great video, you always talk about those small things no one else does and they make a big difference.
You are of great service to us drummers, I cannot imagine that no drum teacher I ever had ever talked to me about where to place the foot on the foot plate!
As a metalhead I really appreciate the information and how you show things. IT's all helped me very much.
WOW! I thought I had the correct angle on my pedals, but was probably closer to 30-ish degrees. Just by changing my angles on my pedals to maybe a touch over 45 degrees, I noticed an instant improvement in speed and responsiveness! I cannot wait to practice with my "new" and improved bass drum pedals. Thanks so much!
Thanks.Been trying to learn how to play for decades.This was great info for me.Self taught.Stay safe!
Well in a 50 year old self taught drummer who started when he was 15 and played in a whole host of different bands until I was 22 when life got in the way and am now back in the saddle and appreciative of whatever and however advice I can get with so much as a click of mouse…. Quit belly aching and, you don’t know how lucky you are!!
I just got a used kit again. Haven’t played in over 8 years. Managed to audition for my local church and become a part of their lineup now. I know I’m definitely gonna have to put more into playing around with the options and see what works and gives me more room for growth.
In the past, everything was based on branding and expectations. Not many people actually adjusted things to unlock the full potential of their equipment. They just kinda let it be. I regret not experimenting because it definitely limited me and made things tougher than they needed to be
Cheers mate. Self taught and never knew about the 45 degree angle. I knew something was wrong with my kick set and could never figure out what. I’ve tried everything else and can’t wait to try out some doubles on the kick!
since I watched this show a while ago I tightened up my spring... fantastic. Mines as tight as it can go now... I don't play softly often fortunately. Like you said something we don't think on much... these details are so important and glossed over at the same time. Thanks for your show.
First, I want to say your videos have been a great help to me over the past several months. I have need for a cocktail set from time to time. I would love to see you do a video on setting up your pedal for a cocktail set.
Hi Stephen, I am learning to play again after a 40 year hiatus and I was pleased to find I did exactly what you suggested on your video as to, how to speed up your pedal with angle and spring tension. I downloaded the 30 days pdf and look forward to seeing the results. I like your style and methods as I have no desire to be glamorous just a good pocket drummer.
Stephen, such a good job on this video. Honestly totally explains why drummers of today, even very young ones, have ever increasing skill levels compared to drummers when I began pro drumming. I talking about the internet and fabulous content like yours which really shortcut a way to skill improvement. This is so awesome, and you really hit on all the important knowledge a newer drummer needs to get on the right path quickly. I can't help but contrast this with my own history when I turned pro in 1973. I learned all of these things the hard way. I was generally not miked as a rule, and developed a heel up and ball of my foot back on the board for power and much needed volume. When I'm at a gig to play softly, I switch to heel down and results very much like illustrate here. I had to learn on the fly, thank God it didn't take me long as many players still need your advice. I've seen this with many other players that have never learned these things which make playing easier. Thank you for a job well done.
Beater head angle. This is a must and a great suggestion. Thanks for the excellent video on how to improve accuracy along with speed.
I’am a metal head and pick up the best tips on this channel.🤘
Hello Stephen, this is very inspiring and encouraging! Thanks for this presentation!
Stephen question about kick. When I bury the beater and hold it there. Instead of one note, it sounds like the beater is hitting 3 or 4 times. Like a roll with your stick. I hope I explained that so toy understand. Thanks, your videos are top notch.
This is a very good lesson. I am a rock drummer to help increase speed and power I use a beater angle slightly greater ten a 45 degree angle and use a spring tension slightly less then half way up. for double bass playing I am 62 years old and can play up to 190 - 200 BPM. I use Pearl Red Line Eliminators.
So many great tips in this. For myself, all I can say after a lifetime of playing, and doing this-then that, at gigs…try different things and see what works for you! No two players are the same. You WILL find “your” setup after experimenting. 🇨🇦👍🏼
I've only been playing for a few years, and I've never liked the feel of my Yamaha kick pedal. I just assumed it was that this Yamaha is an inexpensive pedal. I had even considered upgrading to a DW. After watching this, I realized the out of the box beater angle for my pedal was around 60°. I adjusted it to the 45° you recommended, and wow. It feels so much better. What a simple change! Thanks!
Get the tama speed pedal
I've honestly seen immediate results not only in speed but overall playing of the pedal just by adjusting seat height.
How did you adjust your seat height?
Hey bro thank you for the info that is freaking awesome I just figured out that you were so right on the 45 degree angle and it made my life and my bass drum sound so much better thank you
Incredibly useful video! Thanks brother!
You covered and gave a layman's understanding with visual and audio thanks for reinforcing this profoundly insurmountable concept, fist bump! 🤜🤛
Would the beater angle tip still apply to electric drums like Roland KDA-22 conversion where power isn’t a factor as much? Good tips overall! Thanks.
I just adjusted beater angle and spring tension. In 5 seconds I noticed a difference.👍👍. And now for some serious practice😬😬
I've combed through so many double bass pedal videos hoping to find someone that showed the high hat pedal INSIDE the bass pedals. THANK YOU! I'm trying to set my drums up with double pedals now and found that the 'standard' position was pushing the placement of my high hat too far to the left - not good. So positioning the left bass pedal to the outside just made a whole lot ergonomic sense. I'm kind of surprised that no one talks about this at all. Thanks for showing me it's OK!
That was great 👍. I can use each one of the 3 Steps!
definitely the spring tension for me, i have the DW9002 and it´s amazing and smooth but when i do douple´s, my legmuscles cramp up and i have to push more to make the action happen, maybe I need adjust it more, thank you for a great video lesson
Did loosening help your doubles or tightening?
I use double bass pedals and I watch you! Keep spreading the knowledge
Thank you for these videos. Do you have a video on how to best place your foot on the kick pedal? I've been told to press with my toe, but I see you using your whole foot.
And I don't mind the talking. I love the lecture and detail.
Hey Stephan you are totally correct as far as the pedal setup. The only thing I notice that I do differently, Is I have a much longer thro on the pedal. It makes it way easier to get three or four strikes as well as two triplets back to back. I was taught this by someone who set up his pedal the same way Bonham did. That was with the tallest, longest throw. possible without the beater detaching from the pedal. I have a friend that keeps a short throw and even though he has somehow doubled his speed, It is nothing compared to what he could be doing with a longer throw. I adjust my spring tension as loose as it can go yet with the maximum response time. however not so tight that my calf cramps up or starts to strain. the down side to the long throw is that some will complain that the beater is coming back too far and hitting their shin. That can be minimized by scooting the thrown back. the placement of my foot will be not too high that it chokes out your speed and not too low that it feels like it is taking too much effort to contact the head
Experiment with different springs too for your pedal say if you have it maxed out and still isn't that great of tension or rebound? Go with a tougher spring! Or you might need a new spring if it's old?
THANK YOU SO MUCH!!!!!!!!!!! After watching this video I found out the beater was too tall, too much foot board and not enough spring tension. Rebound was abysmal and I always thought it was me. I also have a DW9000 so I cheated and used your pedal for reference. I also placed enough spring tension where at rest my foot was "half way" and wow does it ever make a difference!
Very helpful! I need to adjust my angle and tighten the tension a little.
Great tips! Thanks! And now I need to do some pedal maintenance---thanks for the reminder!
Thanks! Been playing for years. Suddenly , I am having trouble with the kick? I will see if these tips help me. Greg A.Miranda
Use an under desk elliptical trainer to increase your foot and leg strength at the drum pedals. Go forward and back pedal on the trainer. Use when computing, watching TV, etc. Get a mobile design for easy placement.
What about the beater shaft memory lock? or is it a weight? maybe both?!
Hi Stephen. Thanks for your videos, they are helping a lot because I am new to drums. I would like to point out that it was difficult for me to kick 2 consecutive beats with control (let say on 3 and 3&). Suddently I realized that I had full control and it was easier to kick precisely. I then looked at my pedal and I saw that my foot had slipped toward the chain. It was one inch from the chain instead of 2 inches. I like it this way. I have more control as if I was "cutting" my baseball bat just like Matty Alou was doing. For now, this foot placement makes my drum playing better.
I have to play on a practice room kit with whatever's there. Pock marked heads, collapsing and sliding stands, pedals that don't attach properly to bass drums and have never been adjusted.
Thank you Stephen for the tips. What about beater height? As well as that weight on the shaft that DW includes? Thank you for the 30 day guide.
I'm a huge metal head, but the lessons you give are very helpful.
Thank you so much brother I'm 53 years old I have a pearl with pasty symbols and my 15 year old son wants to jam with me and I was really having problems until you enlightened me
Stephen
I play jazz at low volume low power always. I struggle with Samba bass drum rhythms that are 190~220BPM. I guess I need lower spring tension and a “higher “ angle (less distance between beater and bass drum head)??
Adjust less beater angle. Also noticed both beaters weren’t equal. Will try adjusting spring tension too. See what works best. Cheers
Stephen, most of us are metalheads.
I made all the adjustments to my pedal when I first got it and it has never earned up to being a fast pedal. It is an Alesis pedal that cam with the electronic drums. My next trip to town will be to purchase a DW5000.
Please share. Thanks
This dude is so awesome
I think the lubricant you're thinking of is remoil it's a dry gun lubricant it's perfect for a pedal application.
I need a pedal with a very strong spring. I can play super fast if I have that rebound , that return tension. I got an iron cobra? Last time and it was so weak I couldn't get the speed. The other pedal I used decades ago that worked well for me was a speed king? I used the two tension screws at maximum and I could do double base type stuff with one pedal.
What pedal should I use nowadays?
😐 sometimes it simply depends on the pedal. My advice, go to a music shop and test the pedals. I went to Sam ash in nyc and they had pedals you can try out. My winner? Iron cobra. So effortless, quick response. I guess that's why they're so popular. Dyna sync is so expensive!😢
what would be an optimised foot pedal for pretty much exclusively playing fairly quietly. so its not louder than playing with rods for example?
one other question. do you think vaseline would work well for the pedal lubricant
I’m a metalhead, but I watch your channel because I believe you can always learn something from other styles.
Thank you so much for the video. It's very helpful. I have a question that I hope you can help me with. I play heel up and I bury my beater. When my spring is tight, my pedal sometimes makes unwanted hits when I bury the beater. I hope you know what I mean. I hit the bass drum, and then because the tension is high, the pedal has an extra unwanted hit. How do I avoid that?
If you bring your bass drum head a little bit more forward tilt it can help you with your beater reaching the head when playing softer. IMO.
I just purchased a new drum kit with a small 18 inch bass drum after trying it out just twice and not having touched the drums for 6 months I'll make sure I'll take time the next time I use them to get the beater angle corrected and use a bass drum riser so that the the beaters on my new drum workshop 50th anniversary double pedals so they are hitting the centre of the bass drum and not the top of the head
your kick asss dude. much love. keep up the great work.
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I would caution against using graphite powder for a lubricant. It did not work well as a lubricant on my DW9000 a year later it still leaves black residue on my bass drum rim.
Question. I can play doubles on single bass drum clean at 195 bpm but at 180 I'm struggling to keep time with the doubles.
What do I do?
Most important information was at 11.45 minutes til 12 minutes,this has helped me very much,sorry thank you,stephen,greets from holland
Well done! I learned a lot, thanks.
Great Tip Thank You Brother/Take Care!
Spring tension for sure !!!
Nice topic to discuss man!! Personally i think that power playing depends on what is the selected technique someone chooses so with heel down you can't play loud much enough and you loose consistency so you must turn to heel up way to eliminate weak kicks and more consistent. So the 45degree isn't the point so much i think!Also talking for spring tension as much tight you have it depends on what genre you play.A metal drummer must get it lower at tension to achieve speeds and select the heel up to balance the speed with the attack so will have and loud hits and great speeds.
Sir,other than pedal technique, is it important to choose a good pedal? Is there any pedal model you recomend?
As strange as it may seem, cheap, lightly-built pedals are often much faster and easier to control than 'good' pedals. The tradeoff is having a pedal that needs to be checked and adjusted a lot.
Brother what does it mean if I’m pulling my beater back and the pedal sticks upright? Like it doesn’t bounce like yours with the beater. Is the hinge on the floor board like the foot pedal compromised keeping it from bouncing like that?
Hi l really enjoy the content you are putting out! What material can you recommend for the further development of 4 way coordination to an intermediate/ advanced level?
Glad that intro Nashville commercial rock musick was so quick like ! Great info tho for sure
I mistakenly cranked the spring tension for speed playing with double pedals. I played an open mic with one pedal with looser tension what a difference. I can play with one pedal what I used to require two. I can still play 180 BPM with loose setting on Iron Cobra. I'm not a metal player so super fast not important I just want to be able to do everything.
I've had a DW 3000 double pedal for 8 years and never adjusted it..... This video hopefully is just what I need, cuz doing quick doubles on a single right side pedal piss me off, because the pedal feels slow.
As far as lubricating the pedal, I tried "dry lube". It did nothing but make a mess. Dry lube, in my experience as a mechanic too, anything "dry" can't lubricate like a good grease. I use marine grease. it goes on where I need it. It doesn't leak like other grease and it makes the pedals perform nicely. I use it on all my moving hardware. But Graphite and similar lubricants, to me, would wear things down and cause friction. It's dry and can feel gritty. You don't want that. Spray lubricants, on the other hand, don't work for long, disappears, leaving you dry again.
Adjust the length of the beater so it’s one 1-2 in past center, works much like adjusting beater angle past 45.
Great tips, going right now to try out his information. I have a question where can I get the practice drum heads you use, I have a sound issue where I live. Take a fan.
What is a perfect diagonal angle?
What about how the beater head is positioned.
Great video dude!
Hi Stephen. Another great video. All tips were very helpful. How much are you "resting" your foot on the pedal? Should I have any weight on the pedal when it is at rest? Thank you.
Yes you should. Just let the natural weight of the foot rest on the foot board in between hits.
Very good advices
I have a Donner DED-200 kit, and I can't find any way to adjust the beater angle.
Very helpful video as always. New drummer but ultimately want to play double kicks so for my first pedals I went with Tama speed cobras. The footboards are so long I think they might be working against me because at the store I tried an average sized pedal and it was WAY less effort to play. I’m a girl, size 8 in men’s shoes. Is the long footboard a mistake or what doesn’t kill me will make my foot stronger?
You should be fine with a long board. You may want to try applying force closer to the center of the pedal board as opposed to having your foot cover all of the foot board.
I'm glad someone has mentioned shoe size. Most people who talk about moving the pedal beater angle so it's further away from the drum head are over 6' tall and have massive flippers for feet! I'm the opposite. I am 5'3" and have tiny size 6 mens feet (7 in US sizes). I have a hard time getting the beater all the way to the drum head, when I am playing kick doubles when it is angled further away. I discovered that smaller feet cannot depress the pedal down as far as larger feet can, because smaller feet have to compensate for the greater relative distance by swivelling their ankle joint through a much greater angle. It's simple trigonometry. The ball of the foot will travel through a greater distance with larger feet as it will for someone with smaller feet if both their ankles are flexing through the same arc angle. One way to compensate for this is to slide your foot further back on the pedal board, so it doesn't depress as far. As there is also greater leverage here (and more resistance) I've found slacking off the spring tension helps. This is all counter-intuitive to the advice given here, which may be true for people with larger feet.
@@benjaminpeternorris I have mine angled farther away as most suggest to do but reading your response I’m definitely going to try angling it a bit closer. Thanks !
What do you think about shortening the beater arm? I have found that it moves more quickly and sacrifices minimal volume.
Think about choking up on a hammer and driving nails, or choking up on your drum sticks. Do you get the result you are after?
There's also a trade there in where you want to impact the drum, that is, how close to center? And what size drum? And if you want it to feel heavier but it's too high on the drum, you can use a beater weight.
But I digress.. 😉
Thanks!
I have a DW 9000 right now I'm using it with the strap rather than the chain something different
How would you compare/contrast the two? Do you like it?
I am using a 1970's Rogers pedal. Are the modern pedals much better? I live far from any good drum shop to compare
I've used a pretty wide range of pedals and it's not an easy answer. It depends on what you're playing with it and your preferences, and the differences are relatively minor. For example, the direct-drive longboard pedals that brands like Trick and Axis specialize in are very light, let you shift lower onto the footboard at speed, and transfer more rebound into the beater, which makes them great for extreme metal stuff where you need to save stamina when at high speeds for long durations or need very strong rebound for quick doubles. However, the light weight can compromise power, the sensitivity can make very quiet playing re: jazz feel more awkward, it can be harder to consistently maintain certain volumes, and they're exorbitantly priced. Chain, strap (somewhat rarer now), and direct drive pedals feel a bit different, and it can take time to feel comfortable after switching. For well-rounded pop/rock/metal contexts, I really like the Iron Cobra Power Glide pedals - the weight and offset cam give your strokes a really consistent volume, and they don't cost half a cheap car. Not ideal for jazz, but really comfortable for just about anything else.
One word: synergy ;) Okay that was tongue in cheek but there is that going on here so kudos for taking this on. There are so many parts that go into good foot control and speed. And I'll define speed just as being fast enough to do what you need to in the genre you normally play in as opposed to speed metal drummers or those guys who value speed above all else... people who actually try to play as fast as humanly possible, which I find amusing. One thing you left out, two things actually, and I think I saw you cover the other one in a different video. That's seat height or playing height. Tangent: go watch a video of BJ Wilson. Fantastic drummer who played so low you could only see hands flying all over the set and maybe catch a glimpse of his head above the toms./tangent. The second thing is pedalboard height. Many modern pedals have board height and beater angle adjustability. Pedalboard height and seat height are probably the two main variables for me. Beater angle at 45 or slightly more is fine w/ me.
So... my only real point here is that all these things have an importance and getting them all sorted out is no small accomplishment. Then of course there is what notes to play andwhat notes NOT to play. Taste and feel. Great video as usual.
Just curious to what will happen if you raise your beater another 1.5". Let me know because my guess is you will get more speed and power.
I am a metal head and I endorse this video :)
I think when you say "test it out" is the best advice in this video.
many beginners may not even think of adjusting beater angle or spring tension. or they are not confident just trying.
trying is very important.
It may be good to actually show how to adjust to 45 degree angle or adjust the spring tension for those who have no idea of the workings.
Very helpful, even for an old codger like me