Best Fighters in Game of Thrones | Qhorin Halfhand
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 8 ต.ค. 2017
- Who are the best fighters in Game of Thrones and ASOIAF? This video is part 1, looking at a very under-appreciated figher - Qhorin Halfhand, who some fans believe to secretly be Ser Arthur Dayne.
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"But even after becoming Lord Commander, Jon trained religiously "
*beats down untrained Olly*
lol i was hoping someone would laugh at that
*Meryn Trant approves*
bridge4 Random tinfoil hat theory: Halfhand is an example of a fighter that managed to train for the use of their offhand, and Jaime lost his primary hand. There's also precedent for Wargs being able to Warg more than one being at once... what if Bran uses his abilities to ... grant Jaime the Halfhand's skill? In one of your other videos, you go over how Warging into someone always leaves a bit of one's soul behind, so if Bran were to use that to Jaime's benefit, it could make him a serious threat in combat once more, would be great following a redemption scene, perhaps just prior to the finale :D
Crazy theory, yeah - but all the pieces are there!
Fucking olly
Lol
Qhorin even looks like an older Arthur Dayne
For sure
@@bridge4Dayne was never described as tall though? The White Bull maybe?
@@aabbbaaa7769Dayne’s around 5ft11-6ft, Qhorin’s around the same height
Man I love videos like these. I think the Halfhand should be placed in tier 2 maybe even tier 1. The wildlings feared him like no one else. THE WILDLINGS. Arguably the most vicious and hardest people in the world feared this man. You can't be notorious beyond the wall unless you're a legend. Not to mention Jon spoke of him like he was a god. Also let's not forget he did something that Jaime Lannister was never able to do. He was able to train with his left hand and still be a badass legendary swordsman in a harsh place like beyond the wall, and Jaime Lannister was no scrub. The Halfhand is underrated.
Jon Snough Wildlings arent the best fighters though, of course they would fear someone with good fighting skills
Tormund is a wildling went toe to toe with Alliser Thorne? A knight and one of the best rangers in the Nights Watch and Tormund won the duel.
solid analysis, and awesome SN!!
bridge4 I thank you for the acknowledgement my dude!
Jon Snough Well he is one of a few, of course not all Wildlings are bad fighters, but the average couldnt stand a chance against simple trained night watch Rangers... Tormund isnt average, I would say he is Tier 3 or 4, but I also don't think he was afraid of the Halfhand.
Makes you wonder doesn't it ? Qhorin became better with his left than he was with his right. Why is jaime still so pathetic with his left?
because Qorin has had years to get better
Nerds Forever jaime has had years, also.
Because it got into Jamie's head. If he gets over it, he will get good again
Ooh, Id like that!
He’s heading north, he can train with the likes of the hound, brienne, Jorah mormont, Jon snow, even Arya. I feel like he’s going to get over his handicap as long as he’s able to train.
I think you underrated Stannis a bit on your scale, for the show at least. He cut a man's head in half, horizontally, during the Battle of the Black Water, and he cut down multiple men, who were fully armed and fit, whilst being mortally injured
+Anthonie Santic that's book stannid. When I get to stannis and ned I'll do book and show versions. Both 4 or 5 in books, 3 in show imo
bridge4 you're right about that sir
he did say tier 5 was good but its still at the bottom by those standards
And hes the only king-since Peter the great-to lead his own men into battle first in the front lines,total bad ass.
Danny Hicks Its stupid but when ur all in like that why the hell not to boost that last moral needed
I think the Qhorin is Arthur Dayne theory really adds to the relationship between the two, Dayne would have had to have been spared by Ned meaning he owes John by extension a debt, and if he knew who john was(which he probably would given that he knows he's Ned's "bastard" his vows as a kings-guard would require him to sacrifice himself for John to ensure his survival.
Yeh. I like this from a book interpretation. In terms of the show, it seems bust unless visions a can't be trusted
Damn, Great fucking response time, also the show death is definitely confirmed, I think this probably just had to be cut for run time, along with most other stuff from the Dayne plots, the whole Ashara Dayne fake suicide theory is still game though.
The saddest part about that subplot for me is that I dig griff. Not young griff. The stonecold Connington. And I'm not saying I'd be boys with him...maybe... but just as a character. He would've been soooo cool on-screen assuming they cast him well (and their track record is pretty stellar :)
Same with victarion. Mannn, I wish we got to see his character come to life on screen :(
Samwell Tier 1 confirmed
the dude doesnt even need to train he is so good
@@bridge4 Did Selmy ever killed a White Walker? No. This puts Sam even above him. Tier O?
Sam is the greatest fighter thats is or ever will be ! How many people in the westeros can say they've killed a magnar of thenn and a whitewalker ? As far as we've seen only Jon and Sam yet have killed a WW ... And sam did it before Jon and without even a sword while Jon had the advantage of having valyrian steel blade .. So u can imagine how legendary fighter sam is .. he can single handedly defeat the mountain and the night king at the same time
@@tanxeelhanif The only thing he did under the battle of Winterfell were lying on the ground crying...
Lying on the ground crying, AND THEY STILL COULDNT KILL HIM! Thats how good he is.
I ve always liked the Qhorin Halfhand is Arthur Dayne theory, it makes a lot of sense. As the last man standing he gives Jon to Ned at the Tower of Joy, but since he had forsaken his Kingsguards vows he joins the Nights Watch. When he dies for Jon, he finally fulfils his Kingsguard vows. There is something poetic about it all. Quorin Halfhand can rank in the highest tier, he learn to fight with his left hand which Jaime isn't able to do. It is a fun theory but properly not true.
Can you imagine if that is true. Robert would KIIIILLLL Ned if he ever got to the truth, that Ned let Dayne go and that Ned took a Targ LOL.
But Bran went into the past and saw Ser Arthur die
Only saw that in the show. Book version can be more complex. Only time will tell
There's one big flaw in that theory, it's said the Half-hand learned to use his left when the right was mutilated. Arthur Dayne was said to have been as good with both long before this.
Craig McDonnell he could have been hiding his true skill
Not like your average wildling is a threat to someone that good and if u have a reputation for fighting in a unique way and ur hiding maybe don’t show of ur skills
Qorin gave his life for the night swatch but also for John, cause john was the son of the prince rhegar, which qorin knew from the tower. So when Arthur dayne said “our prince wanted us here” to protect lyanna and john. At the end he kept his promise to his prince
I dig it (for the books)
I'm going to love your fighters series! This will definitely help keep us thinking until WOW or Season 8. Thanks for including the book theories on who might be who. Cool video! Cheers!
Have you thought about different types or categories of fighters as well?
-Swordsman/Blademaster.
-Unconventional types (Robert Baratheon's war-hammer, Dario Naharis)
-Spear-men (Grey Worm, Oberyn Martell, Obara Sand)
-Opportunistic/Varied (Ramsey Bolten, Tormund Giantsbane)
Or even different sub-categories as well?
-Swordsmen: >speed fencers (Braavosi). >long-sword/strength fighters. >Dothraki-styles.
Great video. I’ve been waiting for an in depth series like this for a long time. Keep it up! Thanks.
thanks, Hal!
Like it's said in their vow: "...I shall earn no glory..." No matter how good a swordsman you are, if you're in the Night's Watch you won't be respected as much as a King's Guard member. I think the Night's Watch probably featured some of the strongest fighters of Westeros and Quorin being so respected or feared on both sides makes me believe he might even be Tier 1.
i love how noone has said tier 4 or 5 yet!! yall are awesome. most are saying 2, which i dig. but i respect you calling him tier 1. thats sweet.
From the way they talked about him and his age I’d say in his prime a 2nd tier for sure. Definitely underrated
As far as top fighters go, I find Jon Snow to be the most interesting fighter on the show. All the great ones on the show just show up that way. We meet them at their peak or just past it but with Jon, we see a slow and steady progression. As a trained fighter, I find that more interesting than a character who just shows up as a total bad ass or has a quick, magical transformation. At this point in the show, I'd even put Jon firmly in tier 3 pushing into tier 2. (I've only read the first book, so this is all based on what I've seen on the show.)
in the books, im not sure he's there yet. but in the show, i could see it. especially since WW are supposedly lightning fast. and he has taken out 2 now
I think he's a solid two, not only for being such a good fighter, but also dedicating his life (and death) to the watch. Skill alone doesn't make a fighter, the person does.
meh. If were going to rank the "best fighters," it should be based on who's the best at fighting. Personal distaste or admiration for a character shouldn't have much to do with it. I agree that he's probably a tier-2 guy though
Yeah,skill matters alot to though.But its not everything,Like I play bass and I rely almost exclusively on skill alone,but its a negative in other areas,but at least skill is high lol.
Skill is the extension of a person
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I knew already the theory about Qhorin be Arthur Dayne or one of his compagnon and I like it pretty much - and if we pretend that's true,, we can say that Qhorin liking Jon and protecting him since he saw him is a real plot : the son of Ned Stark, the man who let him live (whatever he is Dayne or another) and let him join the Night Watch.
Also I think Qhorin is a tier 2 really, and if he is one of these mens I mentionned upper that's logical
i can dig tier 2 and move him there is there's enough support. that was my initial take on him, but i got conservative. then after finishing the video, i regretted saying tier 3
thanks for the feedback!
That's not a big deal, we understand your idea through the video :)
bridge4 I tend to agree here. Tier two. Jaime doesn't have an entire civilization of ppl afraid of his name. And well the stories told of Jaime lean away from any real "sword fighting". Wildlings have created myths and legends for the half hand
Stannis is never Tier 5, he is easily tier 3. He was the last man standing in the battle against Ramsey, just look at the scene where he cuts down the soldiers after a long battle like butter.
That's show stannis. Book stannis led from behind
@@bridge4 book stannis isnt dead yet and the battle hasnt happened yet either
@@Blackhawk211 ramsey implies in the books that hes killed stannis and captured mance as well
@@kautetahi a psychopath implying something is not the same as it actually happened. remember that ramsey lies a lot. he pretended to be reek in order to capture theob
I heard a theory of Mance Rayder being Ser Arther Dayne, Tormand Giantsbane being Ser Gerold Hightower and Ser Oswald Whent being Qhorin Halfhand. Mance and Ser Arthur are the only two credited with saying "I wish you good fortune in the wars to come"
A good example of Mance's sword skills are illustrated when he fights Jon in the Yard of Castle Black while under a glamour from Melisandra to appear as Rattleshirt.
Intresting as always thanks bridge4
Dude, you got me! Subscribed! Your videos are the perfect length. Thank you.
+LETMEC4FREE lol. Most peoppe say too short. But I don't add fluff for the sake of adding fluff. At least I try not to lol.
ThanK you btw!
It is stated that Jon Snow is a better sword fighter then rob, in one of the first books
He is the best living swordsman in all of Westeros at least in the show.
tier 0 GRRM can kill everyone without a sword xD
+jearrel lijnzaat lol
The pen truly is mightier than the sword... Lol...
I really enjoyed this vid. nice one bra!
I'm pretty sure Jon was better with Rob with a sword it's stated by catelyn stark as she hates him for it
you're right, thanks
yeah i realized after this theres a show vs book difference. show robb was better at everything per jon
AK Jay but in the books Jon is better with a sword than Robb
Abdullah Ibrahim yeah I think they say Jon is better with a sword and Robb was better on horse
Jon himself admitted that rob was better then him at some point didn’t hi?
@@dankthorgaming5972 in the show but catlyn remarks how it annoyed her that jon would win most sword matches against rob. But to be honest she was kind of helping jon by not allowing to eat with the rest of family as he was probably better with a sword as he could practice while they meet the guests. Also jon was not trained as a lord but a soildier thats why he could always work on his combat skills unlike rob who had official duties
Sam should be #1. He fought the dead at Winterfell lying on his back.
On a Pile of Corpses, mind you
Gotta keep in mind that Ned in the show is a stronger fighter than Ned in the books. In the show he beats Hightower one-on-one, a feat that would probably have been beyond book Ned.
+Rylingo yup. For a handful of characters I'm gonna tank book vs show versions since they are so different. Stannis and ned are Teo examples
Luv ur thrones vids btw!!
Good catch, Jenny. Yeah, I can buy into this easily. Nice vid, as always.
Amazing videos! you will get more followers and well deserved!
rating Qhorin Halfhand as anything less than a 1 is an insult, he let himself lose, making it look good as he went down, that's next level.
For some reason I've been on a binge of Game of Thrones info, I have no idea who Arthur Dayne is but just this video alone makes me wanna read up more about it. Fantastic stuff man.
HOW HAVE I NOT SEEN THIS CHANNEL BEFORE?! SUBSCRIBED AND NOTIFIED!
thanks, spiffy =)) look forward to chatting with ya!
I have played fighting games like Tekken for a long time, and me and lot of fellow players have been often obsessed over character tiers. It's sometime useful in judging an opponent, but mostly it's for fun. Never expected a video on Qhorin, and this theory. Well done and thanks for that. Was hoping for discussion on more characters piling up in Best Fighter tiers, may be in future uploads?
i want to discuss a handful of subjective guys and girls first so that i dont butcher that video. plus, all together, its going to take toooons of time to research. so im doing it gradually instead of taking off 2 weeks to reread all 5 books while making a single video =)
That's fair and probably a more effective way to go about it. Maybe consider making it a weekly/biweekly update with a handful of fighters added to a growing roster every time, with their tier positions also getting updated (coz nothing is written in stone, except GRRM's pumice stones lol) with possible revisions. waiting to see where Syrio Forel and his last *apprentice* ends up.
+Mr10stiches exactly. I'd like to do weekly,but it's gonna end up being biweekly probably. Aiming to do show karl tanner for next Monday tho since my Buddy asked for it
Oh I can wait as long as it takes, as long as I know its coming (and I'm alive lol). Since we're talking tiers, how about a tier for wit and brains (give them non-fighters a chance eh)? Just an idea popped in my head. Boy I'm a sucker for tiers, kinda ironic given I'm all pro-equality and shit.
thats interesting. can you expand on that? do u mean wit in terms of fighting or an entirely separate series on who are the smartest people? i dig the latter a lot!
I have a newfound love for Qhorin, he might become my favourite character at this rate!
+Juozas Mazeika i cant blame ya. he was so friggen cool!!
In the books the fight between Jon and Qhorin played out quite different. Qhorin was actually besting Jon and wasn't holding back, but mid fight Ghost bites and latches on to Qhorin's ankle providing a window for Jon to finish him. Jon swings longclaw at Qhorins neck cutting in just enough only an inch of the blade tip was red with blood. Now this is important because the free folk give Jon shit saying he wouldn't have been able to best Qhorin without his beast going as far to say he's a warg.
I love your videos..thank you
thanks, Theresa =)
“For the young, death is an enemy they wish to try their strength against. For those of us a little older, she is an old friend, an old lover, but one we are not eager to meet again soon.”
- Robert Jordan
The half-hand, knew death and accepted it for what it was, a part of life. All men, have a right to choose, when to dig their feet in and stand their ground. Dane, the half-hand and the bold knew this. This is part, of why they are top tier fighters. Great video.
I didn't like the actor who was cast to play Qhorin. He wasn't big and imposing and memorable like he was in the books. In the books, jon is so excited to go ranging with him because he is such a night's watch legend. He did something jamie could never do - become a better fighter with his weak hand after a maiming. I think a lot of people forget about him, so it's a great video to give him the respect he deserves. No chance he's Dayne, but he's a T2/T3 fighter for sure!
+vinny2times word. I'm with ya on all accounts
actually, not the last account. i was fine with the actor. but the rest, i hear ya. and i can see where you're coming from about his casting, but i grew to love him anyway lol
bridge4 I just imagined him much different. Looking forward to your video on the “fookin legend” Karl Tanner!
+vinny2times you know what I noticed after i finally got tired of making be versions of this, qhorin does look somewhat similar to the actor that cast as dayne
Again,Im wirh u in not buying that theory, especially in the show, but I found it interesting that an aged dayne would have a similar face to qhorin
bridge4 it’s an interesting theory and the actors do look somewhat similar, but I think there is no chance IMO. Ned’s fever dream shows he has sadness, respect, and remorse for killing Dayne and how howland reed saved his life. That fever dream is one of my favorite passages in the entire series. Gives me chills every time. It would be less meaningful if Dayne secretly went to the night’s watch. It’s a cool theory, just not plausible IMO.
I like the theory of Arthur and Halfhand. Makes sense since Arthur knew about Jon in the tower of Joy. He died to protect the truth, later that Jon went on the wall he could have died to expand his loyalty of house Targaryen.
A solid tier 2, the watch and the wildlings speak about him both when he was alive and posthumously the way the south speaks of Ser Arthur Dayne
for sure!
great video Kev. This will spark a long debate in the comments. Hope your going to include Mance in the upper tiers.He schooled Jon in the training yard at the Wall (as Rattleshirt)
i've got mance tier 2 or 3, similar to qhorin. im thinking ill end up making them both tier 2. where do you fit him in?
I agree with The Order of the Green Hand theory that Mance is ser Arthur Dayne.(maybe because i want it to be true) So pretty high. Probably the highest
I think I'd have the halfhand in tier 2.surely the free folk hold him in such high regard you see the way they talk about him he's the bogeyman to the wildlings. Although I'm big believer that in the books at least he's actually Oswell Whent!
I agree. I think he is one of the six of Rhaegars rubies that the elder brother says the have found. with Jamie being the seventh they are waiting for..
A Feast for Crows Brienne VI. We have found silver cups and iron pots, sacks of wool and bolts of silk, rusted helms and shining swords . . . aye, and rubies."
That interested Ser Hyle. "Rhaegar's rubies?"
"It may be. Who can say? The battle was long leagues from here, but the river is tireless and patient. Six have been found. We are all waiting for the seventh."
I dont think you can make the shape of a three headed dragon from seven rubies
I think Jamies dream while he's asleep on the weirwood stump alludes to them being beyond the wall. "armored in snow"
A Storm of Swords - Jaime VI Brienne touched his arm. "There are more."
He saw them too. They were armored all in snow, it seemed to him, and ribbons of mist swirled back from their shoulders. The visors of their helms were closed, but Jaime Lannister did not need to look upon their faces to know them.
Five had been his brothers. Oswell Whent and Jon Darry. Lewyn Martell, a prince of Dorne. The White Bull, Gerold Hightower. Ser Arthur Dayne, Sword of the Morning. And beside them, crowned in mist and grief with his long hair streaming behind him, rode Rhaegar Targaryen, Prince of Dragonstone and rightful heir to the Iron Throne.
thats a perfect name for him. he was totally their "boogie-man." well said!
idk about halfhand being dayne because i never read the books and all. but with that one flashback style scene alone, ser arthur dayne is badass and one of my favorite fighters. i hope they build more on the character with more flashbacks or a spinoff perhaps
Hey did you ever make that video you talk about in the first minute of this video ? The one with different tiers of fighters ?
No unfortunately it's an ongoing process. I've only analyzed a couple so far. Will he doing is season 8. Because I have hundreds of hours prepped on a few hundred topics to discuss before the season, and I've run out of time. Will only get around 40-50 done
So I'm saving the stuff I can until after. My aplogies
Epic line from Sam at the end.
Dude he's definitely a Tier 1. The way he fights, all the wildlings afraid of him, and even theories that he is the sword of the morning? cmooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooon
1 - Farmer
2 - Wildling/Hill tribe
3 - Knight
4 - Kingsguard
5 - Dragonslayer
i think you mean it in reverse, right? dragonslayer being tier 1? those are cool names!
yeah reverse! or maybe Dragonrider instead of Dragonslayer.
Lmao please don't reverse it, it would be halarious
don't reverse it
Can you list the fighters that you will be considering in the future videos (i would like to organize them in my head as you discuss their rankings in the next videos) :)
Good video man! I’d place him in tier 2
Stumbled upon your channel recently, gonna have to watch a lot of videos!
I think Qhorin is definitely tier 2 at least, in both book and show. We don't have much evidence from his fights (the fact that he was destroying Jon Snow doesn't mean much I think, Jon was much weaker back then - only looked good because he was fighting peasants and the likes), so we have to look at the legend surrounding the man. Both in the NW and in Mance's army, they all think he's the real deal. When friends and foes alike think you're great, it means a lot.
It's hard to rank a lot of show characters because their skill is all over the place (Brienne is constantly established as a god-tier fighter for 6 seasons, then suddenly she loses a 1v1 fight against Arya, who has never won a single 'fair' fight; Only assassinations, or using tricks - like the Waif). Arya went from an assassin with no fighting skills, to a master swordsman... And it's not training that did it, given she was still terrible on her last day training with the HoB&W.
If I had to rank some of the top characters from the books though, I'd go with something like... (in context, 'bad' means 'bad compared to the rest'. Eddard Stark might be better than 80% of the soldiers in Westeros due to his lordly training, but this tier is about people who are better than 99.999% of the soldiers in Westeros).
Also all characters are in their prime (Selmy at a young age, Jaime with 2 hands) and only their book version is considered.
God tier : Barristan Selmy, Jaime Lannister, Arthur Dayne, Bronn(controversial placement? I'll explain after the tiers)
Legend tier : Blackfish, Sandor Clegane, Oberyn Martell, Greatjon Umber, Mance Rayder, Robert Baratheon, Qhorin
Great tier : Garlan Tyrell, Gregor Clegane, Khal Drogo, Victarion Greyjoy
OK tier : Jon Snow, Rhaegar Targaryen, Brienne of Tarth, Tormund, Yoren, Belwas, Thoros
Bad tier : Eddard Stark, Stannis Baratheon, Robb Stark
Few notes/explanations on controversial names :
-I tried to avoid putting too many characters based on reputation alone (like Balon Swann, who's probably excellent, but all we have to judge is "People say he's excellent").
-If you pay attention to Bronn's fights and story (vs ser vardis, vs the mountain clans, the fights vs the recruits, etc... ) and his well deserved confidence, he's probably EXTREMELY good. The only thing is that he's a sellsword so no one knows him. I think he's GRRM takes on "What if a god-tier fighter was NOT from a noble family?" Well, the answer to that question is Bronn. He raised the ranks, first a knight then a minor lord, but it tooks forever, and he's still not very known.
-Gregor Clegane is way overrated imho. The only time he fought someone of note, he lost, badly(before Oberyn went stupid). He's a 8 feet tall brute in full plate armor and that's like fighting peasants with a tank. But against good fighters who adapt to the fight, I don't see him doing well. Prime Selmy would shove a sword through his eyeslit without breaking a sweat. I almost put Sandor in god tier though, but I don't think he's quite up there.
-Jon Snow and Brienne are wayyyy overrated, and way too strong in the show (because they wanted them to make super heroes). In the books Jon Snow is annihilated in his fight with Mance Rayder. Brienne lost half her fights (1 out of 2), other than the melee anyway - doesn't really count imho, Loras was 2nd and he's not that great.
Few characters I considered bumping up 1 rank : Tormund, Belwas - would've needed to fight someone of note, but I think he's good - Victarion (would need to fight someone of note/in armor...), Gregor Clegane (Maybe Oberyn Martell is just THAT great, so losing to him doesn't mean he's that bad. Though to say). Sandor Clegane (didn't want to put too many people in the best tier, so he doesn't make the cut. I think the 3 in god tier are all better than him)
Great post! Look forward to chatting over time and hearing more of your ideas. Thank you for taking the time to share this with everyone.
I haven't thought specifically through every character yet, but generally speaking, I like your rankings, and more importantly, the train of thought behind it
And I'm totally with ya on eddard being bad, with the exception being, tier 5 is probably still in the top 1% of humans (instead of top 20%), since most have never even held a weapon let alone trained with one.
But even so, there's a big difference between a ned and a Selmy. So my bad for nit-picking. We're on the same page with that :)
Yup there's a big difference between the tiers. This is one thing I used when I hesitated to place someone on this or that tier; I asked myself if he could beat everyone from the tier below. Everyone in a tier is better than everyone in the tier(s) below him.
The only pairing I'm not too sure about is Bronn vs Sandor... Which makes me wonder if I should've moved Sandor up in God tier after all, or keep Bronn in the 2nd tier. But I'm pretty confident in Bronn vs anyone else in tier 2, so maybe Sandor really belongs in tier 1.
Anyway, it's fun to theorize on that stuff!
I see them both as tier 2, which I look at as the most legit bad assess. I guess I sort of save tier 1 in my head for the type that I see is being tropish in a way
Jaime for example. A lot of fans don't give him enough credit. My understanding is that grrm intended for readers to look at Jaime as the current best, and at the same level as the best of each generation.
But I'm not gonna lie, bron s3 a wildcard. I can't argue anyone who says he's tier 1, especially since the actor brings the character to life so well.
And sander is one of my favorite characters, so I sometimes toil with hi being tier 1. But I like to hold him back to tier 2 on principle for what tier 1 stands for in my weird lil head
But then recently I did a syrio. And I said tier 1, which almost messes everything up. Bc I would bet on a bunch of people whom I'm a fan boy of over syrio. Like qhorin. And sandor. Yet I have them as tier 2 lol
Side note, I liked how u gave sandr the edge over gregor. I'm totally with u on that.
I haven't truly3 brainstormed gregor yet, but I've always envisioned him as tier 2 with sandor, despite giving sandor the edge (since I look at each tier as a bandwith)
And don't kill me but for now,I've got Bobby B and his warhammer as tier 1
And Ive got garland ad greatjon switched with ya. But then again, that makes me wonder if I need to bump gregor down to 3 or greatjon up to 2, bc I see them as a pretty even fight
Lol three tiers would be cake. 5 makes it harder. But it opens up better discussions with 5 tiers :))
I'm sure many would put Robert in tier 1. But I'm not too sure myself. We don't have that much information that doesn't come from himself on his fighting skills. Yes he's big, yes he's strong, but other big/strong fighters are in the story and they don't even make the top 5 tiers, let alone the first tier.
He won every battle(but one) but that's not just Robert, that's his army.
He defeated Rhaegar 1v1, but while some people would rank Rhaegar really high, I only ranked him on tier 4, I don't think he's that great compared to the elite. So defeating him doesn't mean as much.
I can totally see why people would put Robert in tier 1, but I personally think we lack a lot of solid information about his fighting skills, to know for sure. I think he really well might be Gregor Clegane, minus the cruelty.
And the thing is that to compare him with the other people I have in tier 1... I'm sure they would all destroy him, he's not on par with the likes of Selmy and Jaime imho. And sure that doesn't mean he's not tier 1, he could be the worst in the tier 1, but even comparing him against the tier 2 people... I'm sure Sandor Clegane would beat him. Oberyn too, probably. Qhorin/Mance/Greatjon/Blackfish, maybe. Even fights. I think he's falling short of tier 1 in that regards.
As for the Greatjon and Garlan, well we know Garland fights vs 3 and 4 opponents in the training yards to practice... But so does Jon Snow, and he's not anywhere near elite. And it's just training. The Greatjon was hammered drunked in the Red Wedding, and it still took half a dozen men to capture him. He's also ridiculously strong, like in taht scene where he's mad at Robb Stark and someone (Hal?) interfere but the Greatjon throws him away like he was a child.
I could see them both on the same tiers though.
But I give a few more points to actual veteran warriors, over (to quote Catelyn) "The knights of summer", who train in the yard and joust and fight in melees, but don't fight in battles.
Sure Garlan fought in at least one battle we know of, at the Blackwater... But Stannis forces were massively outnumbered after the wildfire, and they took them in the back. We don't really know how much actual fighting Garlan did.
Did he fight 3-4 opponent at once there too? Or did he just ride down a routed army, cutting down soldiers try to flee?
Yes 3 tiers would be easier to place, but there would be a great difference in skill among the same tiers then! You would have Selmy with Blackfish, Thoros with Eddard Stark... Wouldn't tell much!
You have me doing some serous reconsidering about where I envision placing future fighters
Thank you. Seriously. Granted, I just woke up a second ago after my first REM cycle. So I'm not completely with it, and I read your message with one eye since my eyes haven't adjusted to the phones brightness yet lol
Jokes aside, thank you for real. I've never questioned my long term vision for the tiers as much as I am after reasing your posts
100th Like! Great video man!
😎😎yey another Monday and another awesome video from you Kev 😁💙💚💛💥 just the thing to help us "fight" through the week 😄. 🙁 you made late fir the conversation here 😅😅i just did an all-nighter binge of Shannara chronicles . Dang, that was awesome. 💥💚💙💛 it was a well calculated risk, but bc of that, my day is starting late and my brain is fried. 😅😅😅😎 ALL WORTH IT.
+Living My Rhapsody wait, you watched all 10!?!??!
bridge4 🙁9 🙁 I failed 😅😅 it was awesome. I told you I love high fantasy , costumes, swirds, magic, and all those great things. I just dive in and not look back. Thank you for letting me know about that awesome series 🤗😎 another thing, besides your awesome videos 😋, to get me through the "long night" 💚💛💙💜
bridge4 to those reading this ☺😬 Muahaha 💫💫 join the quest, join the dark side or the light side (🤔😎whatever your fancy) and go watch Shannara ... you know you want to 😋
so you're in for season 2? it's going to be my "off day" each weak. make some casual videos on thursdays based on the episode from the night before.
bridge4 Yes, yes. 🤗 I am in. Fell head over heels for it. 💥💫 just in the middle of 10th episode now. 😄
Good episode. I'm interested in seeing where you think Jaqen H'ghar ranks up. We know he's an assassin but he's pretty good at combat when he trains Arya.
+ZhaoPao oh good call. I didn't have him on my radar yet. I still think jaqen is much better than arya which says alot. Where do u rank him?
Well we don't really see him fight, but if we can assume he is better than Arya (since he trained her), who had no trouble fighting Brienne, then we can probably put him in tier 3 or maybe even 2. If we are considering talent with a blade, then tier 3 seems best. But if we consider his assassin abilities being used in a one on one, he could likely also kill someone with a dart before they got a swing in (kind of like he did to Amory Lorch in S2). So that could put him in tier 2
good arguments. i could definitely see 3. or 2 if we want to just "honor" him in terms of a high fantasy view of him
Amazing editing
the end screen needs one small change!
I'm back for the 10/10 content baby.
I got binging to do
I agree I would think he would be a tier 3 tier 2 but I would think Ned Stark would be able bit higher too. Also will put Jorah Mormont up there in three to, amongst others
Me likey. I say a tier 2 as well. Lovin these fighter videos kevO!!! If he's a 2 can't wait to see where Mance winds up. That fight in the yard w John w the tale ;-)
Where do u think?
Mance - I want to put him in tier 1, but I just don't think we have enough info on him to put him there. After all, tier one is a special place. We know he fd up all the warriors up north. We know he mollywoped "book John" in the training yard. The way he's described using that 2 handed great sword def speaks volumes. Especially at his age. There's gotta be more reasons to put him up high, but we lack info. I guess tier 2 based off of that. Maybe you can find the info needed.
That's where I stand on all accounts. My heart wants to say 1 because he's so cool but I'll prolly3 go wit 2. Less than 2 would be a crime tho. Bc tier 2 is still a special teir. I'm envisioning sander in tier 2
- Agreed. I think he's a 2 as well. It's so sick dude, brianne is prob the best fighter left in westeros. Don't take that the wrong way, i meant in what story like this loved by so many is one of, if not the best fighter a woman. Pretty cool!!
The red viper, tier 1 hands down. He whooped the mountain and his great sword w a pointy stick. Lololol sick
One thing about the halfhand-Dayne theorie, the daynes, just like the valyrians, had purple eyes.
Love these uploads.
Regarding the series, do you think the writers have any huge twist in store for us? I hope they do. But if you think that's what is on tap, what do you think it could be?
i think it relates to revealing why the NK is attacking. and im gonna share my own prediction on Friday =)
bridge4 Awesome!! I'll be eagerly awaiting that. It's pretty much the single most important piece of the puzzle to me. I think the ice in "The song" is really just the walkers, not Jon.
I think the halfhand is tier one all the way.
Quite a interesting video. I never thought about Halfhand being a great fighter or even being Arthur Dane. If he is Dane then he would be 1 tier without question and any lower would be a crime. But if he isn't and just himself as presented in the show/book I would put him at tier 2 for his feats of survived beyond the wall like a casual camping trip and be the most feared Crow to the wildlings.
im with ya on both accounts
When we talk about Tier 1 to Tier 5, rank the fighters according to book not the show. Arthur Dayne is a Tier 1, Stannis a Tier 5, he may have proven himself in battle in the show, but in the books he’s a strategist and a good fighter, but not higher than Tier 5. Same for Eddard, he’s not the level of a Tier 3, maximum 4. Jon would be a Tier 3 , the Mountain would be Tier 3. Other fighters like Khal Drogo, Oberyn Martel or members of the Targaryen Kingsguard such as Oswell Whent would be Tier 2. But Barristan, Arthur, Jaime, Qhorin and Gerold Hightower (in his prime) would be Tier 1.
And of course, Sam the Slayer, Hotpie and Robin Arryn are the top 3 in Tier 1.
i agree with most. where do you see Sandor?
and where do you see Syrio. in this series, the latest video is syrio and i foolishly put him as 1. im going to drop him to 2 or even 3 once i get to the next person (cause he wasnt even the best in a single city - braavos - and that was 9 years ago. i guess ignore that last point since im analazying it based on the fighters in their primes)
but yeah, id say 2, or maybe even 3. i want to say three but i feel like people are going to flip out. but at the end of the day, im with ya on people like book ned and book stannis being 4 or 5 (and they are legit). no shame in being a tier 5 fighter since all 5 tiers are the top 1% of 1% of people in the word (jsut a guess. havent done the math)
bridge4 I thought about Sandor and I would see him at his brother’s level, at Tier 3. Because he’s better than (for eg) Eddard but not better than Oberyn Martel.
bridge4 Ahahaha yea that last part you said is true, even a Tier 5 is a great thing. For Syrio I don’t think he would be a Tier 1, I’m following you here with Tier 2 or the best one in Tier 3.
And I almost forgot, Robert Baratheon in his prime is hard to rank. He’s better and stronger than the Mountain, but I don’t think he would stand a chance against Barristan or Gerold. So I suppose he would be in Tier 2, or like Syrio one of the best in Tier 3.
But again, if we rank Robert Tier 2 Syrio would be Tier 2 too, because Syrio is swift and cuts through parts you don’t imagine, and Robert looks brutal like Gregor, it would be the same type of fight as the Mountain that rides vs the Red Viper of Dorne. So it’s hard to rank those two, since they could be better than Gregor or Sandor or even Jon Snow but they can’t be better than Jaime or Qhorin, or a serious Oberyn, who fights to kill and not to hear a confess (fookin idiot Oberyn).
most people seem to give the mountain an edge. but i made a short video recently explaining why i think Sandor was slightly better than the Mountain. basically, his brother was going all out when they fought. and Eddard notices that Sandor didnt aim a single blow at the Mountains helmless head
but with that said, i'd probably put them in the same tier, be that 2 or 3. i need to probably map out an idea of everyone before i do another character so that i dont have to keep moving people around
but even if they are same tier 3 (which is a bandwith), do you give mountain or sandor a slight edge?
Great vid, i definitely rate Victarion tier 2 verging tier 1
victaroin is a cool one. id say definite 3, but i like tier 2 for him since it subjective. good call!!
Great video and idea. Seems to me like he’s tier 1, tier 2 at the least.
No doubt!! As a qhorin fanboy, I erred on the side of caution when I made this. I think tier 2. But my heart says tier 1 :))
erring on the side of caution would be saying Tier 2. Tier 3 is an insult. Mind you, if you've got Thoros of Myr in tier 3, when he won the king's tourney than I dunno ;)
Rajie Music I can’t wait to see the final ranking for everybody
Yo Bridge4 - If you wanna see an interesting theory - have a look at some of the videos from Order of the Green Hand. Their theory (mind you my book knowledge is limited only to youtube snippets so I can't really validate their work) is that Mance is Arthur Dayne and Qhorin was either Oswell Whence or Gerold HIghtower. But have a look, really interesting stuff.
Sir Arthur and the Halfhand are not the same. someone that popular would not be able to go to the wall without anyone noticing who he really is.
+Jrm Her I hear ya
Depends. People are likely more known by name and reputation than face in this world, not like they have photos. He is also stripped of everything if he joins the Watch so it wouldn't matter who he used to be anyway, like almost-king-of-Westoros Aemon. Mountain and Tyrion are easily noted by their size, but most others travel with banners so you can deduce who is who, especially if you see them multiple times. Unless someone happened to have met him they might not know him, especially if he isn't carrying the sword that probably makes him stand out.
Im with ya. There's a scene where a commoner calls ned king, showing that someone who loves walking distance from KL can have no idea what his king even looks like, let alone a knight, who was often "faceless," behind a helm
there were many survivors from the Kings Landing Garrison who were sent to the wall like Ser Alliser Thorne or Ser Jaremy Rykker as a member of the Kings landing Garrison during Robert's Rebellion he certainly would have recognised Ser Arthur Dayne. Not only that but Benjen Stark met Ser Arthur Dayne at the Tournament at Harrenhall.
Kev my dude I would love you to do a video on Arya's fighting skills of course mainly for the show. She is now one of the best fighters in Westeros!! Great video my man💚
ill have to do a show arya since book arya is so far behind. but ill include her for ya. if you want me to quote ya, let me know which tier you'd place her in
bridge4 I'm not sure if you have a name for all the tiers but I'd put Arya in legendary tier. Meaning what she has done so far and what she will do will become the stuff of legends. So far her Kill count is exactly 63 and yes I counted it all. For a 17 year old girl she has amazing skill and already done some truly amazing stuff warrior wise!
+Pelé the Ranidae that's what I'm thinking too. I don't buy the whole arya is better than brienne thing either. Arya trained alot. And she's badass. But I still think people like sandor, brienne, thoros, show jon, would smash her. Even peoppe like greatjon if he was still alive
+55bueller legend in terms of leaving a legend could be different than a tier called "legend" tho. I'm sure I'll get hate for this, but I'm just not as keen on her as other make her out to be. But making the list at all is an accomplishment. Right now I am visualizing people like book Stannis and book ned. In tiers 4 or 5. So even if she's one of those, it stI'll means she's badass. But as good as bronn? Probably not
It may be tricky putting her in a tier, as she is more nimble and swift than brute force like other fighters, but may be just based on skill levels I would put her on a Tier 3 or even better (you Kev can do a much better assessment). For this reason alone I'm so psyched to see how she fares against likes of Jon Snow.
Im glad you did halfhand justice.. In the books he was stright vicious.. Kinda played him down in the show. Tier 2 books.. Tier3 show
It's more likely that Mance is Aurther Dayne. Quoren is Oslwold Went. Just a theory, but a very interesting one
Awesome Half Hound a man of Legend
for sure!
I can't believe this that u kept thoras of myr in tier 3,Jamie lannister admires him (see s1 e4,conversation bet Jamie and Joey Cassel)and he led attack on pyke and even jorah admires him and in s7 says that the grejoys thought he was some kind of God with a burning sword when he led attack in siege of pyke in greyjoy rebellion.Thoras of myr,kingslayer, halfhand,hound are tier 2 fighters.
Tier 1 is for selmy, auther dayne.
Btw great video.keep making such videos
im torn between and three for thoros. in the past, i would have said three. but im struggling to fill out all five tiers. so im debating moving some of my 2s to 3s
im a huge thoros fan tho. so im definitely open to placing in 2 once i get to him
thank you for the syupport and king words btw
(ive got jaime as a solid tier 1)
Plz answer this question.which tier will rheghar tagaryan and Robert baratheon go in?
Because in the show I saw them talking about how rheghar defeated selmy in the tourney of harenhaul (I am not sure if it was sword fighting or jousting tournament they were talking about)and placed some flower in lyana's lap rather than his wife so he was better than selmy but Robert killed rheghar in the rebellion so does this mean these 2 are tier 1 fighters?i think they might be.atleast Robert should be tier 1(I am talking about fighting skills and not sword fighting skill as I think Robert used a hammer type weapon rather than swords in fights).
bridge4 I agree Jamie is a candidate for tier 1
Rhaegar isn't close to selmy with a sword. That was joust and it was rhaegars only tourney win iirc. Similar to jorah and his wife. They leveraged powers older and stronger than hatred - love
But barrister was a more proven jouster, aND much better with a sword. Rhaegar was more of a renaissance man. Capablexand very good at almost everything, including song. But not the best fighter
bridge4 what about Robert baratheon?Which tier would he be in?
I think that the dude from the nightswatch that helped Arya escape Kings landing is highly underrated
NuclearBAM very true🙌🏻
1. Untouchables
2. Legends
3. Good workers
4. Mid carders
5. Jobbers
Halfhand seems tier 2 but possibly tier 1. Hard to say with the information we have.
Qhorin 'Alfan.
*In my Ygritte voice*
Lol good call
She says "the halfhand" I think, right?
Bright as a Ruby necklace... See the Ruby connection is Everywhere. I almost wonder if like how dragonglass is frozen fire are rubies frozen blood. Well something like that fire and blood and all. I am watching the rubies 👀😁 great video as always Qhorin and Mance Both make me wonder... I have thought this same thing. That the KG never died at the ToJ. That's why Ned remember their faces but not others he said that btw Ned did. So why can he still remember them if he hasn't seen them. I think they been All there close to protect Jon. This could be why Ned didn't object to Jon joining the Night's Watch. He knew His KG was closer and even Aemon oh definitely believe he knew Exactly who Jon is. Rubies. All thanks to rubies. But up there. Who would recognize them. Prefect place to lay low too. Robert said himself he had no interest in going to the Wall. My bad one thought got away with me😂
theres a timing problem if we are to believe jaime's fever dream, which i do. bc it makes it seem as if they are all dead. and mance is still alive
I put Qhorin up on Tier 2. Perhaps I could slide him down to tier 3. I've always liked the theory that the 3 KG from the Tower of Joy traveled North, but I never quite decided under which identity each of them were hiding.
I think he is definitely underrated. It is still hard to tell that where he would stack up as compared to others because there is not much of a legend about him as it is about Selmy or Dayne or even Jamie in Westeros (Yes, the Wildlings would rank him higher but you know how underrated the Night's Watch is. And probably all his great deeds have been beyond the Wall so.... Spending the entire winter beyond the Wall does tell you that he was tough, but it still doesn't imply that he was as good as anyone. Nevertheless, an excellent swordsman, a determined and tough one.
for sure. on back of this video. ive got qhorin as a solid tier 2 going forward. so he's the first on the list. tier 2
and if he is dayne, then he's tier 1 =)
Tier1-DRAGONS (Arthur Dayne, Selmy,Jamie,Halfhand) Tier2-DIREWOLVES (Oberyn,Aemon"Dragon Knight" Targareyen, Daemon blackfyre,Mance,Darrio,Bronn) Tier3-LIONS (Brienne,Arya,Jon,Greyworm,Mountain,Hound,Drogo) Tier4-STAGS (Robert,Bittersteel,Blackfish,Euron,Areo Hotah,Jorah) Tier5-CROWS (Ned,Thorne,Loras,Tormund,Dunk) I wanted to put the red viper in the top tier so bad he's my favorite character!
I love how you take a shot in honor of his death. Respect. ;)) What was your poison :P
lol. im a big halfhand fan, so i had to honor him =)
Great video! But nothing New! Why do all the honorable men have to die! I like theory about him Being Arthur, very interesting! I would have to say he's a tier 2 or 3.. I think honor puts him at a 2 . . But that's not what were judging is it lol. Can't wait to see the next one
Heyyyy! Where's the rest of the list??? I thought this was your video you have been talking about, where you will rank all fighters one by one
i want to discuss a bunch of fighters individually before making a final list. because if i tried busting out it all myself, i would probably miss a lot of the best support for why they are awesome, good, and only decent =)
im hoping for some good feedback from people a donze or so that are pretty subjective
Ah! Okay, fair enough. Looking forward to the rest of your list!
Also I think Stannis Baratheon would rank a little higher at about Tier 4 along with Ned Stark-"Underrated for a Nobleman."
Oh my God you just completely caught me with the quorin is Arthur theory. I don't believe mance is rhaegar but the half hand theory could actually almost make sense!
THIS IS A REALLY IMPORTANT QUESTION!
Aside from Brienne, have there been any other lady knights! I literally just started reading the series this week.
Brienne is not a knight. I believe Jaime will knight her in s8, and she'll subsequently knight Podrick. But due to gender inequality, there has never been a female knight
there have been similar female badasses though. are you reading the canon or "Fire and Blood?" in Fire a Blood, we learned about this awesome girl Jonquil Darke who seems very similar to Lady Brienne =))
bridge4 I'm so dumb!!!
I hope he does knight her. And no, I literally just started reading the first book in ASOIAF.
Ah ok. I don't recall jonquil being mentioned until fire and blood, or any other "lady knight," as our boy hot pie would call them (or anyone who wears armor :-P
I could be mistaken tho. If u find any in the canon, please let me know:))
@@bridge4 House Mormont 😉
The fact that he could get better with his non sword hand makes him a real contender for tier 2 imo or tier 1 imo
I'm with ya. Anything less is a crime
I'd call Half-Hand a tier 2. The show didn't demonstrate it as well but he earned his dreaded reputation.
For sure
Please can you point me in the direction of more videos like this any videos that lead on from this about the best Fighters and the top tears please
Will you ever finish the list? I’m interested to see your opinion on this topic
Dayne, victarion, mountain, jamie, garland tyrell, corbray, and a targ. (I get them mixed up, but i think bittersteel. Are tier 1. Victarion and mountain are there on size and strength alone.
Also, don't forget that Jon says to Danaerys "I wish you fortune in the wars to come."
3:39 jon was always better then Robb, jon boasted that he was the better sword, but Robb was the stronger lance.
Yup. In the books. In the show Robb is better than him at everything
Fucking great video man. Keep it up
thanks!
Cool name btw, I've been reading those 1500 page Stormlight Archive monsters.
are you diggin them!? sooo good. my favorite =)) mistborn trilogy 1 is my #2. then asoiaf =)
Definitely! What I like best about Brandon Sanderson is he never leaves plot holes. Sometimes he'll leave you with a question, and then 10 pages later he'll be like 'oh and by the way, that plot hole you thought I left, well I didn't forget about it'. Not to mention, to be able to write such long books without it becoming tedious. Definitely more skilled than Robert Jordan ever was.
The Halfhand=Ser Arthur Dayne...Mance=Rhaegar... Mind Blown 💥 Thanks for another great video-I am hooked!
there are some flaws to the idea. Big flaws
But I want to believe it sooooo badly
I am just finally reading the books, so thanks for inspiring me to do a close reading :) Oh, to have the brilliant mind of GRRM :)
What chapter are ya on? :))
I just finished Arya's last chapter in the first book--sooo many more truths to learn about these vivid characters! Luckily/ Unfortunately, I have until spring to catch up before the show starts up again, so keep filling my mind with theories and ideas, please :) Much gratitude❣️
late to the party, but if you're still reading these, anything below Tier 2 is wrong :D. not sure if he is Arthur Dayne, or if GRRM is even going to close that in the books or just leave it to interpretation, but that's the genius of his writing.
I'm with ya. Tier 2 for sure
I don't remember the phrase; 'contemptuous ease' being used in the book by Martin in the fight between Jon and the Halfhand.
Yeh. Lol that was awesome wording
I think Ser Dayne honestly should get his own tier lol
Dayne and Selmy equal per grrm offline :)
I actually just watched your video about selmy's fight with the put fighter. Good stuff man. Did you ever decide on names for the tiers, I think you could use like tier 1 is the star tier or the morning tier, like use your favorite fighter from that tier. Idk just a thought
Interesting. Yeh I haven't thought of names yet. Usually I work on fighter videos on "days off". But I haven't dedicated true time to this series yet unfortunately
I think Halfhand should be in Teir one as even though he was just pretending, he nearly beat Jon Snow!
I really like the idea that halfhand could have been Dayne. I want to try to reconcile that with what we saw in the show. Or if maybe, the show decided to take that subplot a different route. What I really like is the idea you mentioned before that Ned was honorable, and looked genuinely heartbroken that his bannerman stabbed him in the back(neck) etc. Maybe, the idea ser aurther dayne survived this blow is possible. Maybe, because ned felt bad about how he got done so dirty, Ned offered him to say he died, and let him live out his days, protecting the realm, at the wall. I feel like that would absolutely appeal to him, esp if he knew the truth of jons heritage but saw the way the war was going against his lord anyway. Aceepted his defeat and retreated to the wall. or maybe he wasn't fully healed till after the war was over and thought vengence wasn't valuable use of his time etc. Because, I really like the idea that Dawn, is somewhere, where jon can get to it, or it can be given to him, or where he can find it. It's the most unique sword in ASoFI and it would do a disservice to the uniqueness of the sword if it wasn't therefore, super important. I like your theory it could have been formed from a fallen starK. And I want that to be true too. So then Jon wields it, being the first stark to hold it since it was created from an ancestor. Like, there's just so much coolness to the idea that Jon having dawn and the idea that it made it up to the wall, where jon ends up, and where dayne then sacrifcies his life for jon, for arguably a second time, just puts such a neat bow on the whole story of jon. Maybe it can even be from bran intervention. Mabye bran sees how important dawn is to the endgame and somehow intervenes so that dayne survives. God I love falling down these rabbit holes. AND, it makes me even MORE excited for after the show is over to see how much the show and remaining books differ. =D