I just want to say thank God for you and people like you who use your time and resources to help educate the community. The complainers should feel free to post their own off-hand test results. --Cheers
My cousin used BOSS 2 3/4” 3/5 shot on sandhill cranes this past season in his 28 gauge. It absolutely hammered them. We were both very impressed with the performance on these larger birds. Thanks for the awesome content.
It would seem the #4s with a lower percentage at 40 yards could reach out further providing it was a tighter pattern and more penetration at 40 yards? Thinking out loud here…..
Thank you to all your Boss shot shells testings, I ordered and shot Boss shells for the first time this season. I ordered a case the #4 and #3/5. Not cheap! I could of gotten a decent shotgun for the cost seriously. Cali banned all lead ammo some years ago so I’m having to research nonlead ammo all over again. I am really impressed with Boss’s #4. The pattern and impact is much more devastating even compared to the lead I used before. I have only shot a few of the 3/5 and so far the #4s are still better for me. I am yet to try the #5 and warchief to see the differences. I wrote a positive 5 star rating on Boss’s website crediting you for all the tastings and selling me on giving them a try. Undoubtedly no false and regrets. Less recoil, hard impact, and excellent pattern. Looking forward to using more Boss shells. So far the best nonlead out there and I spend a lot of money trying many top steel shots including bismuth. Tungsten may be king but a normal working class like myself cannot afford tungsten if I’m going through hundreds of rounds per season. Thank you for all your testing, George!
Thanks for doing this George! I use the 3/5 and think they perform great in my SBE3 with carlson LR. I picked the 3/5 because we do big and small ducks and geese. I also wasn't able to find pellet count either
I’ve got 2 cases of 4 shot and I’m thinking about switching to 3/5s because where I hunt we get ducks/geese mixed. Our max distance is typically 40 yards.
Boss shotshells load the 3/5s 50/50percent by weight that's why they have more 5shot then 3shot. I do know that the 3/5s work great for me on snow geese from over the decoys to 60 yrds. Keep up the good work man!! God bless and go get them in the marsh!!
I wish Boss would come out out with a #2/#6 duplex load. To me, it seems like there is so little difference when you only skip one shot size in a duplex load, and you'd be better off having big shot for energy and a lot smaller shot for pattern density.
Not sure why anyone would give you a hard time about the tripod. I do ALL of my pattern testing out of a Lead Sled. Pattern testing is nothing about "hunting situations". It is just like trying to shoot a group with a rifle. You don't shoot a group or sight your rifle in free hand, well at least I hope not. You want to eliminate as many variables as possible. Same here. You are trying to find out what the: gun, choke and ammo combination is doing. Once you find the best combo then you go out and practice under hunting situations. Great video. Thanks for the great data.
@@TheNewHuntersGuide So my Carlson's Bismuth Bone Buster ER choke came in yesterday. Yes I bought it because of your videos. I had already purchased a case of Boss 2 3/4" #5 and a case of 3" #4. So I patterned them through the new choke yesterday. Very similar results as to what I got with my Kicks High Flyer X full with the #5's. But the #4's shot a lot better with the new Carlsons choke. When I pattern I use the duck targets that "splatter" where the pellets hit. I think they are like 12" x 18". I also draw a 30" circle. I then do a pellet count in the square duck target, not just the picture of the duck, and the 30" circle. I then take pictures and upload them to my computer so I can really study them. I don't know why, it is just what I do. I had something interesting happen yesterday. The first shot gave really poor performance. I knew something was off. So I ranged the target again and realized I did not set the shooting table up on my mark at 40 yards but had placed it well behind that at 46 yards. Now you would not think 5 or 6 yards would make that much of a difference. But OOHH was I wrong. I said all this to mention you may want to do a video, or series, on how much patterns go away once you pass that 40 yards. May not impact some hunters that hunt mostly in timber. But for the guy that is hunting open water, judging the difference in a 40 yard vs 46 yard shot is tough. Just a thought. I love what you are doing.
@@jesseregister2435 Glad to hear the choke is providing some benefit to you! The BBB has become my favorite all-purpose choke. And thank you for that great idea! I just put it on my list, a long-range test with BOSS at 40, 50, and 60 yards. I cannot believe I haven't done that yet.
@@TheNewHuntersGuide you do a great job and not trying to tell you what to do. But I think 10 yard increments would be to much. My numbers, from just going back 6 yard, changed significantly. In the square "Splatter" target pellet count went from 59 at 40 yards to 33 at 46. Count in the 30" circle went from 128 at 40 yards down to 90 at 46 yards. I just think a lot of guys miss birds that may be just 6 or 8 yards further out than they think and have no idea why.
@@jesseregister2435 I agree, but best to start with big numbers. 10 yard increments is a starting place to get benchmarks. Then a follow up can drill down deeper to see the difference that just 5 yards makes. Unless I feel adventurous and have alot of paper and time that day to make one huge video lol
What is the amount of hits in the circle that would be enough? 100? So even if the pattern density wasn’t great but you had over 100 is that still acceptable?
You have to shoot and practice freehand when finding the right load for you to hunt with. For TH-cam and science, you get more consistency shooting from rest.
Great vid really informative!! Think you can do a video on the 20gauge 3/5 vs the 7s. Wanting to try the 7s in flooded timber for a really dense pattern but don’t want to blow holes in all the birds! Keep up the awesome work!
I'd like to! But I don't have a 20 gauge actually. What I know about the 7s, after talking with folks who shoot them is that they are good out to about 25-30 yards max. They are mostly for quail, doves, maybe teal. But they are not idea for ducks unless you can hit them real close, and you are going to put a lot of pellets into the meat if they are that close. I would opt for #5s for most duck hunting.
Great video! I just ordered a box of Boss 2 3/4 #3/5. 3 inch 1 3/8 oz #4 is my usual go to for late season Ducks but I wanted to try a box of the 3/5s out. I think the 3s might hit em even harder and the 5s will keep the the pattern good. I only wish Boss made the 3/5 in a 1 3/8 oz shell. I find it easier to load 3 inch shells when it's cold and I primarily hunt ducks so the 1 1/2 oz is a bit excessive for me.
I couldn't agree with you more, that extra 1/8 oz adds 15% more recoil, i did a video on it. And that can be the difference between comfortable and problematic. I prefer the 1 3/8 myself.
@@TheNewHuntersGuide Boss accidently sent me a couple of boxes of 1 5/8 oz. They told me to just keep them. I'm going to probably sell them to save my shoulder and my wallet.
@@TheNewHuntersGuide I know I don't hunt Turkeys at all at least not yet and haven't had much luck killing Geese. I have killed a few but me and my dad hunt on public land and usually have to trek a while to get to our spot. We can't carry that many geese decoys because of the weight, our calling seems good but they usually never seem interested by 6 decoys. We do a lot better going after ducks and that's what we tend to stick with.
Dear creator, it may be better to use two different blocks to make it easier to view the results for the viewers and minimize mistakes. Thanks for the great content!
Thanks! so that introduces more variables. No two blocks of gel are going to be identical in performance. Just a couple degrees of temperature difference will skew results. So far, the most reliable way I've found to accurately compare two loads is to use the same block of gel, even though it comes with some headaches. At least its accurate.
I have been shooting out of my Bereta A 400 extrema plus the Boss oz 1 5/8 of # 3/5 at geese and ducks and have great results. I decided to cut one of the shells open and got the same number of pellets from the number that boss sent me. The total was 228. I went a step further and broke down the #3/5 and came up with 130 # 3 and 98 # 5. I really like your TH-cam cast, keep up the good work , look forward for more to come Thanks Duckhog CA. PS Imming getting ready to do some patterner test soon with different choke tubes.
Oh Yea! That test has already been filmed. It is still a ways back before it airs, but it's coming. Planning to do several more tests actually. Spoiler Alert. I found that load to do much better than I was expecting. For steel, it performed pretty well actually.
The 2.75 have significantly less recoil than the 3". They are very nice to shoot. The difference is similar to 3 to 3.5 yes. I could run the math, but they are the most pleasant loads I have yet shot. Though I do still use some 3"
@The New Hunters Guide - If I am following you correctly, you are stating 3.38" of gel penetration on a 40 yard shot with #4 bismuth? If so that is remarkable. #4 lead at 1400 fps at 40 yards only produces 2.48" of penetration. I am curious to how the bismuth (seeing it is 15% lighter) penetrates so well/deep compared to lead of the same shot size. I am not challenging your findings - but more amazed at its performance. To clarify I am a big fan of bismuth and have been shooting it for over 2 seasons religiously. Keep up the great videos - you eliminate a lot of the guessing!
Hi Matthew, The numbers are exactly what happened. However, you cannot compare gel depth across days and environments. What I have learned is that Gel is only scientifically effective at comparing two items relatively, on the same day at the same time, and in the same gel. Temp, gel type, number of remelts, range, gel calibration and age, all play into the exact results. The only really valid info you can gain is a side-by-side test in the same gel. But yea, the Bismuth performed really well. Lead does better, I've tested them head-to-head some, assuming equal velocity.
duplexing with like weight shot never really works. been proven over and over and over. Much better to stay with same size of shot within the same density unless really separating density to increase/decrease pattern...AKA 18gcc TSS duplexed with steel works well
Why makes multiple material duplex better than multiple sizes with the same material? I would think trying to choke steel and tungsten with the same choke would be problematic.
Is it possible to use the pattern master code blqck duck choke whilw shooting the boss shells? Idk if the wad stripping in the choke would make a difference or not.
LOL "Real hunters" Someone seriously said that to you? Those are probably the ones that miss then blame the equipment or the load instead of the operator!
Good information, thank you George!
Thanks for watching!
Remember old saying you cannot make everyone happy. Most of us do appreciate your efforts 👌
Thank you so much Dennis! I do appreciate it.
I just want to say thank God for you and people like you who use your time and resources to help educate the community. The complainers should feel free to post their own off-hand test results.
--Cheers
Thanks for your support!
My cousin used BOSS 2 3/4” 3/5 shot on sandhill cranes this past season in his 28 gauge. It absolutely hammered them. We were both very impressed with the performance on these larger birds.
Thanks for the awesome content.
Thanks so much! We don't have any sandhills where I live, but I'd like to hunt them and that sounds like a good load for it!
From a western PA duck hunter.... Thanks for these videos. You're doing great work and it's appreciated!
Thank you sir!
It would seem the #4s with a lower percentage at 40 yards could reach out further providing it was a tighter pattern and more penetration at 40 yards? Thinking out loud here…..
That is where the Boss warchiefs shine. They give you that pattern to let you punch out further with either the 4s or 3/5s.
Enjoyed the test, good job. As far as using a tripod, I agree with it being the best to keep the shot on target for comparison.
Thanks so much Rich!
I look forward to your videos every Thursday! Another great one!
Thank you so much, I appreciate it!
Thank you to all your Boss shot shells testings, I ordered and shot Boss shells for the first time this season. I ordered a case the #4 and #3/5. Not cheap! I could of gotten a decent shotgun for the cost seriously. Cali banned all lead ammo some years ago so I’m having to research nonlead ammo all over again.
I am really impressed with Boss’s #4. The pattern and impact is much more devastating even compared to the lead I used before. I have only shot a few of the 3/5 and so far the #4s are still better for me. I am yet to try the #5 and warchief to see the differences.
I wrote a positive 5 star rating on Boss’s website crediting you for all the tastings and selling me on giving them a try. Undoubtedly no false and regrets. Less recoil, hard impact, and excellent pattern. Looking forward to using more Boss shells. So far the best nonlead out there and I spend a lot of money trying many top steel shots including bismuth. Tungsten may be king but a normal working class like myself cannot afford tungsten if I’m going through hundreds of rounds per season.
Thank you for all your testing, George!
Thank you so much for the feedback! I really appreciate it, and even more testing is to come!
Hello from the UK George. I find your content very interesting. Thank you
Thanks Steven! I really appreciate it!
Thx for sharing this great info 👍🦆
Thanks for watching!
I enjoy your content, thank you.
Thank you so much!
Doing the lords work
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Great video
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Great job George 👏. Keep up the superb work you do!
Thank you so much Dennis!
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Thanks for doing this George! I use the 3/5 and think they perform great in my SBE3 with carlson LR. I picked the 3/5 because we do big and small ducks and geese. I also wasn't able to find pellet count either
I was impressed with their performance myself, a very useful shell.
The 3/5s according to BOSS have 210 pellets in a 1.5oz payload
The 3/5s and 4s have the same shot count. 140 for 1oz load and 228 for an 1 5/8oz for both
@@rbutler1519 Nice, mine had a few more pellets then. Good deal.
I’ve got 2 cases of 4 shot and I’m thinking about switching to 3/5s because where I hunt we get ducks/geese mixed. Our max distance is typically 40 yards.
I don't think you could go wrong with either. Whatever shoots best through your choke.
cool video
Boss shotshells load the 3/5s 50/50percent by weight that's why they have more 5shot then 3shot. I do know that the 3/5s work great for me on snow geese from over the decoys to 60 yrds. Keep up the good work man!! God bless and go get them in the marsh!!
Thank you so much Jeff! I must say, I was more impressed with the 3/5s than I was expecting.
@@TheNewHuntersGuide I do like boss # 5"s for all around duck hunting and geese inside 35yards. Thank you George I'm loven the channel!!!
I wish Boss would come out out with a #2/#6 duplex load. To me, it seems like there is so little difference when you only skip one shot size in a duplex load, and you'd be better off having big shot for energy and a lot smaller shot for pattern density.
Yea. I am still a bit of a duplex skeptic even after testing them. If they had a 2/6 I'd still probably opt for a #4.
Not sure why anyone would give you a hard time about the tripod. I do ALL of my pattern testing out of a Lead Sled. Pattern testing is nothing about "hunting situations". It is just like trying to shoot a group with a rifle. You don't shoot a group or sight your rifle in free hand, well at least I hope not. You want to eliminate as many variables as possible. Same here. You are trying to find out what the: gun, choke and ammo combination is doing. Once you find the best combo then you go out and practice under hunting situations. Great video. Thanks for the great data.
Thanks so much Jesse! I couldn't agree more. And I think science agrees too. But trolls gonna troll, I guess.
@@TheNewHuntersGuide So my Carlson's Bismuth Bone Buster ER choke came in yesterday. Yes I bought it because of your videos. I had already purchased a case of Boss 2 3/4" #5 and a case of 3" #4. So I patterned them through the new choke yesterday. Very similar results as to what I got with my Kicks High Flyer X full with the #5's. But the #4's shot a lot better with the new Carlsons choke. When I pattern I use the duck targets that "splatter" where the pellets hit. I think they are like 12" x 18". I also draw a 30" circle. I then do a pellet count in the square duck target, not just the picture of the duck, and the 30" circle. I then take pictures and upload them to my computer so I can really study them. I don't know why, it is just what I do. I had something interesting happen yesterday. The first shot gave really poor performance. I knew something was off. So I ranged the target again and realized I did not set the shooting table up on my mark at 40 yards but had placed it well behind that at 46 yards. Now you would not think 5 or 6 yards would make that much of a difference. But OOHH was I wrong. I said all this to mention you may want to do a video, or series, on how much patterns go away once you pass that 40 yards. May not impact some hunters that hunt mostly in timber. But for the guy that is hunting open water, judging the difference in a 40 yard vs 46 yard shot is tough. Just a thought. I love what you are doing.
@@jesseregister2435 Glad to hear the choke is providing some benefit to you! The BBB has become my favorite all-purpose choke. And thank you for that great idea! I just put it on my list, a long-range test with BOSS at 40, 50, and 60 yards. I cannot believe I haven't done that yet.
@@TheNewHuntersGuide you do a great job and not trying to tell you what to do. But I think 10 yard increments would be to much. My numbers, from just going back 6 yard, changed significantly. In the square "Splatter" target pellet count went from 59 at 40 yards to 33 at 46. Count in the 30" circle went from 128 at 40 yards down to 90 at 46 yards. I just think a lot of guys miss birds that may be just 6 or 8 yards further out than they think and have no idea why.
@@jesseregister2435 I agree, but best to start with big numbers. 10 yard increments is a starting place to get benchmarks. Then a follow up can drill down deeper to see the difference that just 5 yards makes. Unless I feel adventurous and have alot of paper and time that day to make one huge video lol
What is the amount of hits in the circle that would be enough? 100? So even if the pattern density wasn’t great but you had over 100 is that still acceptable?
Yes and yes. I consider 100 to be viable. A little more gives you some margin if the bird is a few feet further.
I use a phased approach, the first cut is with a lead sled followed by freehand to determine the best coke/shell combo.
You have to shoot and practice freehand when finding the right load for you to hunt with. For TH-cam and science, you get more consistency shooting from rest.
@@TheNewHuntersGuide no - good pattern = good pattern regardless of rested vs. freehand.
@@chrisspencer4226 Pattern shouldn't change but placement might based on how you mount the shotgun differently when using a rest vs. free.
@@TheNewHuntersGuide that’s just learning to shoot. Of course you do that freehand.
But if you have a crummy pattern shooting freehand doesn’t fix it.
@@chrisspencer4226 well of course. Yea.
Great vid really informative!! Think you can do a video on the 20gauge 3/5 vs the 7s. Wanting to try the 7s in flooded timber for a really dense pattern but don’t want to blow holes in all the birds! Keep up the awesome work!
I'd like to! But I don't have a 20 gauge actually. What I know about the 7s, after talking with folks who shoot them is that they are good out to about 25-30 yards max. They are mostly for quail, doves, maybe teal. But they are not idea for ducks unless you can hit them real close, and you are going to put a lot of pellets into the meat if they are that close. I would opt for #5s for most duck hunting.
Great video! I just ordered a box of Boss 2 3/4 #3/5. 3 inch 1 3/8 oz #4 is my usual go to for late season Ducks but I wanted to try a box of the 3/5s out. I think the 3s might hit em even harder and the 5s will keep the the pattern good. I only wish Boss made the 3/5 in a 1 3/8 oz shell. I find it easier to load 3 inch shells when it's cold and I primarily hunt ducks so the 1 1/2 oz is a bit excessive for me.
I couldn't agree with you more, that extra 1/8 oz adds 15% more recoil, i did a video on it. And that can be the difference between comfortable and problematic. I prefer the 1 3/8 myself.
@@TheNewHuntersGuide Boss accidently sent me a couple of boxes of 1 5/8 oz. They told me to just keep them. I'm going to probably sell them to save my shoulder and my wallet.
@@dancortes3062 they make good turkey loads! Same with geese.
@@TheNewHuntersGuide I know I don't hunt Turkeys at all at least not yet and haven't had much luck killing Geese. I have killed a few but me and my dad hunt on public land and usually have to trek a while to get to our spot. We can't carry that many geese decoys because of the weight, our calling seems good but they usually never seem interested by 6 decoys. We do a lot better going after ducks and that's what we tend to stick with.
You should do the migra steel/tungsten blend
I would like to! Just need to find some.
I would think the 3/5 would have a longer shot string, for better or worse. Idk if it matters.
Agreed, I'm also do not know if or how it matters. But I would like to find a way to test it to find out!
Shot string is a myth perpetuated by salesmen.
@@jzdank1981
Can u elaborate? I know nothing about it just heard it used before.
I would be very curious to see the results if you did the new Hevi-12 vs Hevi-10 vs Bismuth
Just posted it!
Dear creator, it may be better to use two different blocks to make it easier to view the results for the viewers and minimize mistakes. Thanks for the great content!
Thanks! so that introduces more variables. No two blocks of gel are going to be identical in performance. Just a couple degrees of temperature difference will skew results. So far, the most reliable way I've found to accurately compare two loads is to use the same block of gel, even though it comes with some headaches. At least its accurate.
There is a simple reason that duplex loads pattern better. If you know a thing or 2 about ballistics, you can probably figure out why.
Tell me more.
I'm sworn to secrecy. Hence the riddle like response...
A 3 shot average may be better data. Good job
I agree. It already takes a lot of time to do these tests though, that would nearly triple it. Maybe one day when I have a bigger budget!
How about testing 3" ounce in a quarter number 4 black cloud against boss 3" oz of 1- 3/8 of number 4
That's on my list! Just need to find some black cloud!
I have been shooting out of my Bereta A 400 extrema plus the Boss oz 1 5/8 of # 3/5 at geese and ducks and have great results. I decided to cut one of the shells open and got the same number of pellets from the number that boss sent me. The total was 228. I went a step further and broke down the #3/5 and came up with 130 # 3 and 98 # 5.
I really like your TH-cam cast, keep up the good work , look forward for more to come
Thanks Duckhog CA. PS Imming getting ready to do some patterner test soon with different choke tubes.
@@chuckmartin7418 Awesome Thanks!
Yee yee!!
Wait till you see the upcoming video with the new BOSS Warcheif!
@@TheNewHuntersGuide I can’t wait !!!
What shot size wud be the equivalent too Lead #6 shot in a boss load?
I know lead is like 11. G/cc
And bismuth is 9.
@@riverrivers250 Typically you step up 1 shot size from lead to bismuth. So #6 lead would be more like #5 bismuth.
@@TheNewHuntersGuide thanks
Any chance you can test out the new blindside 2?
Oh Yea! That test has already been filmed. It is still a ways back before it airs, but it's coming. Planning to do several more tests actually. Spoiler Alert. I found that load to do much better than I was expecting. For steel, it performed pretty well actually.
Awesome!! Look forward to seeing how it performs
Just a guess, 3" shells?
Yes sir.
How’s the recoil between the boss 2.75” and 3” shells? Does it mirror steel 3” and 3.5”?
The 2.75 have significantly less recoil than the 3". They are very nice to shoot. The difference is similar to 3 to 3.5 yes. I could run the math, but they are the most pleasant loads I have yet shot. Though I do still use some 3"
Would you recommend #5 or #6 bismuth for an all around upland game shot?
#5 for sure, except for doves and tiny birds, then smaller shot is better.
@The New Hunters Guide - If I am following you correctly, you are stating 3.38" of gel penetration on a 40 yard shot with #4 bismuth? If so that is remarkable. #4 lead at 1400 fps at 40 yards only produces 2.48" of penetration. I am curious to how the bismuth (seeing it is 15% lighter) penetrates so well/deep compared to lead of the same shot size. I am not challenging your findings - but more amazed at its performance. To clarify I am a big fan of bismuth and have been shooting it for over 2 seasons religiously. Keep up the great videos - you eliminate a lot of the guessing!
Hi Matthew, The numbers are exactly what happened. However, you cannot compare gel depth across days and environments. What I have learned is that Gel is only scientifically effective at comparing two items relatively, on the same day at the same time, and in the same gel. Temp, gel type, number of remelts, range, gel calibration and age, all play into the exact results. The only really valid info you can gain is a side-by-side test in the same gel. But yea, the Bismuth performed really well. Lead does better, I've tested them head-to-head some, assuming equal velocity.
duplexing with like weight shot never really works. been proven over and over and over. Much better to stay with same size of shot within the same density unless really separating density to increase/decrease pattern...AKA 18gcc TSS duplexed with steel works well
Why makes multiple material duplex better than multiple sizes with the same material? I would think trying to choke steel and tungsten with the same choke would be problematic.
Is it possible to use the pattern master code blqck duck choke whilw shooting the boss shells? Idk if the wad stripping in the choke would make a difference or not.
Boss doesn't recommend it though they said in theory it shouldn't hurt.
Thanks for the reply, I bought a bismuth buster MR for my Beretta. I got some hevi metal this year and I'll use my pattern master with that.
LOL "Real hunters" Someone seriously said that to you? Those are probably the ones that miss then blame the equipment or the load instead of the operator!
I think most of the time people blame the equipment for their own shorfalls, that's just standard practice!