It would be really cool to see this in a head to head with Kent Fasteel, as a comparison to another high quality plated steel shot and the best steel ammo that I've found for me. Thanks for all you do.
That's coming! Going to test it against a few different loads. Just need the shells... I want to test the new 1 3/8 oz load they say will be coming, but doesn't exist yet.
George I smoked a cripple on the water this year at 55yards with Remington nitro steel 12 ga 3” #4 1 3/8oz 1300fps!!!! Verified with a rangefinder. Muller decoy choke franchi affinity 3.
I too am a Boss Program Member, l patterned my Steel Reserve shells at 30 yards in a SBE 3 26” barrel with lengthened forcing cone and a Rob Robert’s R2 choke. The #3s put 162 pellets in 30” at 30 yards.
Those of you out there using expensive shot -take note of my last decoying on the marsh. 3" 1-1/4 oz steel 3's for the first shot. 3-1/2" 1-3/8 3's for second. And the third shot 1-3/8 2s. Using a Browning A5 and 1/4 choke. I had 2 doubles on wigeon; 1 on teal.2 with 2 shots 2 with 3 shots and a couple of singles. Ending up with 9 wigeon and 3 teal Only needing 4 cripple stoppers. BUT I have been shooting over 50 years.
I used to shoot copper plated steel. I think this was back in the mid 90's and made by Winchester. Seemed to me it killed much better than plain steel shot. I always attributed the added weight of the copper helped to deliver more energy to the birds.
Thx for all you do George I’ve personally been looking for a TH-cam ammo tester and you do it all. Above and beyond on the pellet count most people I’ve watched don’t do that. They just show how decent a pattern looks with a perfect shot. Great job man
5 Star video as usual, love that semi auto , and your professionalism is top notch. I would have to say I am impressed. I am also experimenting with steel (using proven data) as a handloader and that Boss is definitely top notch. They did their home work . Way above my expectations. Thankyou once again. I cannot support every channel since I am on fixed income but appreciate everything you guys do.
Those were pretty good patterns considering shot size and payload. I think the 1 3/8oz #3 will produce a good even dense pattern out to 40 and should work great used properly. I plan on placing a pre order for some now and the wolfram loads.
The main and only real benefit I see in cooper costing the steel is that it keeps the shot from rusting. Olin ( Winchester) copper plated steel shot in the 90s. I still have a box of Winchester Siper X, Steel Copper plated shot (Tshot). My FIL hated steel shot, and probably over corrected w that T shot.
Awesome video, George. The program sends you 20 shells and what do you do with them? Give them up to your followers so we may have an idea of performance they will deliver. Hopefully the program will send you another 20 for your personal use. Thank you.
George, good data and will be interesting to see how it compares to Kent plated and "bargain" brands Fiocchi, Rio, and even Herters. The pattern density at 20&30 yards is no surprise as a Mod is the equivalent of Full for steel. What I noticed about the patterns was lack of uniformity. For me, it would be hard to justify their premium price, based on website their $24 for box of 20 would related to $30 for box of anyone else's 25.
Is there any real advantage to Boss vs Remington vs Kent??? Inside 30 yrds I can't see any real advantage. Even with copper coated shot. Great video. Thanks for sharing...
1 3/8oz #4 steel 1300 fps out to 45 yards the best bang for the buck hands down no comparison for the cost Kent Remington Rio all the shot looks the exact same in those 3 brand and those same specs.
Not really surprising. In fact, I believe this move was long overdue and I sincerely hope they broaden the product line. Having a more affordable non-toxic shot product line would certainly help the branding on a number of different levels. Given my experience with steel, I would have no doubt that these loads could be stretched beyond 30 yards. Further to this, given the historic price stability of soft iron, it’s a sure thing hunters will continue to have ready access to it. Let’s hope we never see the raw material price increases (ie. 100-200%) that we saw back in 2006/2007…..bismuth, copper, tungsten based product would be prohibitively expensive to access.
Another great video.Those of you out there using steel; get a couple boxes of both and mark the base of the 1's with a black marker stripe. With two No3's for the first and second shot and a No1 for the third shot you will start to get those elusive tripples: as ducks backs are extreemly hard and the 1's wiil do the trick. Nice to see a proper wildfowling book. I wrote one in the 80's as I was sick of reading books with no explainatary content. This book was called 'Ultimate Fowling', where I explained EVERYTHING inc:- reloads. And the greatest tip of all -start at the back of the flock as they fly past, as then they do not know they are been shot at, When we were allowed shots I had several 5 for5 on wigeon and one day the 'impossible' 5 teal for 5!
Legit video George. Appreciate the shoutout, even if you called me by the wrong name. 😂😂. I’m a big boss guy and was interested in this stuff for our timber holes. Thanks for the review.
The cynic in me says that they're loading 1 1/8 ounce steel loads because it's about as much as they can fit in their new wad... Curious how they say that 1 1/8 ounce of 1's has all the pellets you need out to 30 yards, yet will also take your money and give you bismuth 5's (which don't penetrate as well as steel 1's) and cite the higher pellet count as an advantage over steel shot. Well which is it? Either of those cartridges would perform very well on ducks out to at least 40 yards, I think I'd prefer them over any bismuth offerings in size 4 shot or smaller in all honesty.
They announced they will offer a 1 3/8 version of the Steel Reserve this fall, due to the demand. I think they are just trying to get as many customers as possible. Some want steel, so they will sell steel. I'd rather shoot the Bismuth #5s legacy at close range myself, but that's just me.
Why do people think that steel isn’t good past 30? I hunt on open water and routinely make shots 40-50 because divers don’t always decoy and swing wide. Are they always an instant kill shot? No but more likely than not they are.
The ballistics of steel begin to deteriorate fast and bad after around 40 yards, depending on shot size. #3 steel is good on ducks to maybe 45 to 50 yards. #4 drops off the minimum mark faster. #2 and bigger have the power for more range but not the pattern density needed to effectively make use of the power. I don't know where the 30 yard rhetoric came from. My testing has never shown that.
Did you get any of their prototype tss?? I’m happy they finally made a steel load! Years back Brandon mentioned in a podcast steel is in the future. Gotta love being a program member!!
@saltcreekammo actually it's the reverse. In 20% gel you'd get half the penetration because it's twice as thick. You want 1.5" for a duck in 20% and 3" in 10%. That's the going rate anyway. In truth those numbers are based on old gel calibrations we can no longer verify. But it's the best we've got until someone spends millions of dollar in another country to do the proper test research on live birds and modern gel. Which isn't likely to happen for obvious reasons.
Are they going to be only 20 per box at anyone elses 25 per box price? What about Boss's "less crippling" ethos they overpromoted on their bismuth? I hope Blue Collar Outdoors channel test them too as they arent swayed! Looking at the patterns there were several large holes!
I doubt BCO will do a review, this company apparently threatens to sue reviewers that say anything other than best thing since sliced bread. Don't get me wrong, it performs and I have some. However, highly unlikely I will buy anymore once what I have is used up.
@@veteranironoutdoors8320 I'm not going to use George's channel to promote someone else's. You can reach out to the channel mentioned above and ask about their experience. Again, the product performs however the company IMO has been a disappointment. I had questions and left a voice message and used their website contact form, no response. My one son ordered 2 boxes for me, never received and when he reached out, no response. Those all happened couple years back and maybe things have changed. Others experience is different, that it mine.
First of all, you get a large piece of paper. Maybe 45 inches square put a dot center about the size of a golf ball. Can you make a 30 inch? Diameter circle, then you use some type of arrest to do your patterning. Because you want to see what the actual gun and ammo will do not. If you're shaking a little bit offhand or not. You want to see what the gun and ammo is capable of you. Shoot just to the bottom of the dot then you can tell if your appellant's rise are left. Alright, and it's no human error because you use an arrest. Then you count every palette and you find the percentage in that 30 inch. Circle. And then the rest of the paper you can see how the spread of the pattern is. I've been doing this for 65 years with a lot of different jokes. I had a lot of different animal. You do a good job, but you don't do it correctly like your videos, but some of the stuff that way you're doing. It is not right. You're a young man you'll learn
You know. There is alot that could be done to tighten up this process. But they all take more time, and/or more money. I only have so much of both when I go to make one of these videos. To sacrifice a little precision to save time, is a welcome trade off much of the time. When I go to the range, its usually a 5 hour video session and i have to get 3 videos done usually. I'm just limited.
Lost a lot of respect for the Boss company and their hypocritical founding principles once they announced this. Can get steel way cheaper then $1.45 a round if you're gonna shoot it. Copper plating does nothing to enhance steel pellets, just marketing hype.
It would be really cool to see this in a head to head with Kent Fasteel, as a comparison to another high quality plated steel shot and the best steel ammo that I've found for me. Thanks for all you do.
That's coming! Going to test it against a few different loads. Just need the shells... I want to test the new 1 3/8 oz load they say will be coming, but doesn't exist yet.
Pre orders for the 1 3/8oz load now available!
@@rbutler1519 yea, but September is a long time from now lol
George I smoked a cripple on the water this year at 55yards with Remington nitro steel 12 ga 3” #4 1 3/8oz 1300fps!!!! Verified with a rangefinder. Muller decoy choke franchi affinity 3.
With a decoy choke? Wow, impressive. It sounds like a lucky pellet to the head or neck.
I too am a Boss Program Member, l patterned my Steel Reserve shells at 30 yards in a SBE 3 26” barrel with lengthened forcing cone and a Rob Robert’s R2 choke. The #3s put 162 pellets in 30” at 30 yards.
That sounds really good right there! I'm sure I could have done better with a tighter choke too.
Those of you out there using expensive shot -take note of my last decoying on the marsh. 3" 1-1/4 oz steel 3's for the first shot. 3-1/2" 1-3/8 3's for second. And the third shot 1-3/8 2s. Using a Browning A5 and 1/4 choke. I had 2 doubles on wigeon; 1 on teal.2 with 2 shots 2 with 3 shots and a couple of singles. Ending up with 9 wigeon and 3 teal Only needing 4 cripple stoppers. BUT I have been shooting over 50 years.
I used to shoot copper plated steel. I think this was back in the mid 90's and made by Winchester. Seemed to me it killed much better than plain steel shot. I always attributed the added weight of the copper helped to deliver more energy to the birds.
Yea, I think it reduces velocity loss in the air and in the target to improve penetration.
I love My bismuth shot shells , Boss and Salt creek ammo both make a great shell in bismuth, God bless you and go get them in the marsh
Thanks so much Jeff!
Thx for all you do George I’ve personally been looking for a TH-cam ammo tester and you do it all. Above and beyond on the pellet count most people I’ve watched don’t do that. They just show how decent a pattern looks with a perfect shot. Great job man
Thank you so much! It's alot of work, but I want to know the stats as much or more than anyone else lol
5 Star video as usual, love that semi auto , and your professionalism is top notch. I would have to say I am impressed. I am also experimenting with steel (using proven data) as a handloader and that Boss is definitely top notch. They did their home work . Way above my expectations. Thankyou once again. I cannot support every channel since I am on fixed income but appreciate everything you guys do.
Thank you so much!
That is hard to believe way better than what I suspected.
Pretty potent stuff for sure.
Those were pretty good patterns considering shot size and payload. I think the 1 3/8oz #3 will produce a good even dense pattern out to 40 and should work great used properly. I plan on placing a pre order for some now and the wolfram loads.
Yea I want to test that for sure!
Thanks for all you do George!
Thanks for watching Ben!
Great video as always! Never quit learning about this stuff , very interesting! Thank You
Thanks for watching!
Great content I’m suprised boss even made a steel load
Yeah me too!
No company wants to leave a price point untouched if they have the production capacity to do so.
The main and only real benefit I see in cooper costing the steel is that it keeps the shot from rusting.
Olin ( Winchester) copper plated steel shot in the 90s. I still have a box of Winchester Siper X, Steel Copper plated shot (Tshot). My FIL hated steel shot, and probably over corrected w that T shot.
Thanks!
I 😂 laughed at your joke at 6:19
Yeah I lost it when he threw them out 😂
Defimitely keep marking pellet holes. It really helps the viewers see the results better.
Thanks so much!
Good patterns!!
Thanks for watching!
@@TheNewHuntersGuide I may have to order some. Are you going to text out their 1 3/8 oz steel loads?
@@joshuaeck2712 yup, once I get can get my hands on some.
@TheNewHuntersGuide awesome can't wait! I want to see how they due vs tune 1 1/8 Oz shells before I order some
Good info as always thx for sharing 👍👍
Thank you!
Awesome video, George. The program sends you 20 shells and what do you do with them? Give them up to your followers so we may have an idea of performance they will deliver. Hopefully the program will send you another 20 for your personal use. Thank you.
Thanks so much!
Drawing a 30 inch circle does help to visualize the pattern density in a video.
Thank you!
thanks for the video
Thanks for watching!
George, good data and will be interesting to see how it compares to Kent plated and "bargain" brands Fiocchi, Rio, and even Herters. The pattern density at 20&30 yards is no surprise as a Mod is the equivalent of Full for steel. What I noticed about the patterns was lack of uniformity. For me, it would be hard to justify their premium price, based on website their $24 for box of 20 would related to $30 for box of anyone else's 25.
Pattern uniformity was no less than any other steel brand I've ever tested. But we'll see what other chokes do in future tests.
Is there any real advantage to Boss vs Remington vs Kent??? Inside 30 yrds I can't see any real advantage. Even with copper coated shot. Great video. Thanks for sharing...
I don't know yet. But I plan to test them!
1 3/8oz #4 steel 1300 fps out to 45 yards the best bang for the buck hands down no comparison for the cost Kent Remington Rio all the shot looks the exact same in those 3 brand and those same specs.
You said you are sticking with warchief- what shot for Michigan ducks/geese- I’m thinking 3 inch 3s will be good for ducks or geese?
Not really surprising. In fact, I believe this move was long overdue and I sincerely hope they broaden the product line. Having a more affordable non-toxic shot product line would certainly help the branding on a number of different levels. Given my experience with steel, I would have no doubt that these loads could be stretched beyond 30 yards. Further to this, given the historic price stability of soft iron, it’s a sure thing hunters will continue to have ready access to it. Let’s hope we never see the raw material price increases (ie. 100-200%) that we saw back in 2006/2007…..bismuth, copper, tungsten based product would be prohibitively expensive to access.
Yea, it's an economical viable material for sure.
Hey George.
What else did you get for being in that program for Boss?
This list of stuff mostly: bossshotshells.com/boss-vip-program
Another great video.Those of you out there using steel; get a couple boxes of both and mark the base of the 1's with a black marker stripe. With two No3's for the first and second shot and a No1 for the third shot you will start to get those elusive tripples: as ducks backs are extreemly hard and the 1's wiil do the trick. Nice to see a proper wildfowling book. I wrote one in the 80's as I was sick of reading books with no explainatary content. This book was called 'Ultimate Fowling', where I explained EVERYTHING inc:- reloads. And the greatest tip of all -start at the back of the flock as they fly past, as then they do not know they are been shot at, When we were allowed shots I had several 5 for5 on wigeon and one day the 'impossible' 5 teal for 5!
Wow!
Legit video George. Appreciate the shoutout, even if you called me by the wrong name. 😂😂. I’m a big boss guy and was interested in this stuff for our timber holes. Thanks for the review.
I'm so sorry about the name mixup! I didn't catch it till editing. I was like... oh boy...
@@TheNewHuntersGuide 😂
The cynic in me says that they're loading 1 1/8 ounce steel loads because it's about as much as they can fit in their new wad... Curious how they say that 1 1/8 ounce of 1's has all the pellets you need out to 30 yards, yet will also take your money and give you bismuth 5's (which don't penetrate as well as steel 1's) and cite the higher pellet count as an advantage over steel shot. Well which is it?
Either of those cartridges would perform very well on ducks out to at least 40 yards, I think I'd prefer them over any bismuth offerings in size 4 shot or smaller in all honesty.
They announced they will offer a 1 3/8 version of the Steel Reserve this fall, due to the demand. I think they are just trying to get as many customers as possible. Some want steel, so they will sell steel. I'd rather shoot the Bismuth #5s legacy at close range myself, but that's just me.
Why do people think that steel isn’t good past 30? I hunt on open water and routinely make shots 40-50 because divers don’t always decoy and swing wide. Are they always an instant kill shot? No but more likely than not they are.
The ballistics of steel begin to deteriorate fast and bad after around 40 yards, depending on shot size. #3 steel is good on ducks to maybe 45 to 50 yards. #4 drops off the minimum mark faster. #2 and bigger have the power for more range but not the pattern density needed to effectively make use of the power. I don't know where the 30 yard rhetoric came from. My testing has never shown that.
Did you get any of their prototype tss?? I’m happy they finally made a steel load! Years back Brandon mentioned in a podcast steel is in the future. Gotta love being a program member!!
I did get some of the TSS but so far I've just hunted with it.
Is that 10% or 20% gel?
All 10% on my channel.
@@TheNewHuntersGuide penetration numbers need to be cut in half then.
@saltcreekammo actually it's the reverse. In 20% gel you'd get half the penetration because it's twice as thick. You want 1.5" for a duck in 20% and 3" in 10%. That's the going rate anyway. In truth those numbers are based on old gel calibrations we can no longer verify. But it's the best we've got until someone spends millions of dollar in another country to do the proper test research on live birds and modern gel. Which isn't likely to happen for obvious reasons.
Are they going to be only 20 per box at anyone elses 25 per box price? What about Boss's "less crippling" ethos they overpromoted on their bismuth? I hope Blue Collar Outdoors channel test them too as they arent swayed! Looking at the patterns there were several large holes!
I'm not sure what the final pricing will be yet
I doubt BCO will do a review, this company apparently threatens to sue reviewers that say anything other than best thing since sliced bread. Don't get me wrong, it performs and I have some. However, highly unlikely I will buy anymore once what I have is used up.
@@Anthony17112thats a bold claim. Have any proof of that?
@@veteranironoutdoors8320 I'm not going to use George's channel to promote someone else's. You can reach out to the channel mentioned above and ask about their experience. Again, the product performs however the company IMO has been a disappointment. I had questions and left a voice message and used their website contact form, no response. My one son ordered 2 boxes for me, never received and when he reached out, no response. Those all happened couple years back and maybe things have changed. Others experience is different, that it mine.
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Haha, thanks!
I need lower powered ammo. Said no duck hunter ever.
HAHA, but some have said they want lower recoil.
Lower recoil maybe, but never asked for less power down range
Is there anyone sponsoring this video?
Sorry, hard to remember if I said it or not sometimes. The video is shot across numerous locations and time frames.
@@TheNewHuntersGuide No need to be sorry, the video was full of great information. Sorry for the little dig.
First of all, you get a large piece of paper. Maybe 45 inches square put a dot center about the size of a golf ball. Can you make a 30 inch? Diameter circle, then you use some type of arrest to do your patterning. Because you want to see what the actual gun and ammo will do not. If you're shaking a little bit offhand or not. You want to see what the gun and ammo is capable of you. Shoot just to the bottom of the dot then you can tell if your appellant's rise are left. Alright, and it's no human error because you use an arrest. Then you count every palette and you find the percentage in that 30 inch. Circle. And then the rest of the paper you can see how the spread of the pattern is. I've been doing this for 65 years with a lot of different jokes. I had a lot of different animal. You do a good job, but you don't do it correctly like your videos, but some of the stuff that way you're doing. It is not right. You're a young man you'll learn
You know. There is alot that could be done to tighten up this process. But they all take more time, and/or more money. I only have so much of both when I go to make one of these videos. To sacrifice a little precision to save time, is a welcome trade off much of the time. When I go to the range, its usually a 5 hour video session and i have to get 3 videos done usually. I'm just limited.
Lost a lot of respect for the Boss company and their hypocritical founding principles once they announced this. Can get steel way cheaper then $1.45 a round if you're gonna shoot it. Copper plating does nothing to enhance steel pellets, just marketing hype.
More testing to come. We shall see.
If you're gonna do pattern testing, do it correctly
What method would be more correct than how I did it here?