F150 2018 Truth Behind Engine & Powertrain Options
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- F150 2018 The truth behind the engine and powertrain options.
At 4:09 - Ford is the last of the big three to bring a diesel to the light duty pick-up segment.
At 5:44 - should be 18/23/20 mpg, in metric 13.1/10.2/11.8 L/100km.
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Meanwhile I’m still rocking my 90 F250 7.3 turbo diesel... almost 30 years old 881,000 miles and still hauls my 5th wheel no problem.. 🇺🇸
Sweet!
4WD Magazine they don’t make them like they used to 😔
I'm rockin a 2002 F-250 7.3 turbo diesel that is barley broke in with 108,000 miles. No rust and almost showroom condition.
881,000 miles. That’s bad ass!!
Nice 👍🏿
Already have 100k on the 2.7 eco and Averaged 22.8mpg in 100k miles. Unbelievable. Problem free. Love it!
I never owed a ford until 2017. Always bought Chevy, but never again. Love my F150 with 3.5 eco.
God I hate auto start stop bull crap. All it is. Is unnecessary extra wear and tear.
Thank the emissions regulations for that feature.
4WD Magazine wait till 'cafe' standards kick in. The Ram hemi is on the chopping block at the end of 2018 model year and every truck will someday be a hybrid or full on electric.
V8Supercar1 Its horrible!!I agree 100%!! I will just buy older cars and trucks until they are not available or I get to old to drive,I dont care much for where the industry is heading.
Hopefully president Trump will relax some of our cafe standards. Although it might not be necessary. Im glad he already withdrew us from that obsurd Paris climate agreement. We all care about the environment, but somethings are just too extreme.
KJBPSkipper m
These prices are rediculous! How did we get to 40k / 50k / - 60&70k is lunacy! $40,000 for a truck is assualt!
I looked at a 2018 Ford Raptor yesterday. $70,000 sticker price - then the dealer tinted the windows, added a 6" lift and custom wheels and raised the price to $90.000. Insane!
It is all the amateurs in the truck market today. They are driving up the prices.
It's called "Ego Boost". And as long as they keep paying for them they'll keep selling them with more and more gimmicks, pricing the working man into older and older trucks.
Just wait. Who's going to be the first truck-maker to break the 100 grand sticker price?
Right ! 55 k for the one I looked at . I'm going keep my 2008 Chevy and rebuild motor next year 5.3 or put 6.2 in there.
Loving my 2019 3.5 EcoBoost
Great video bro. Good pace, good info, calm & collect. Cant ask for anything more.
Thanks for the props - really appreciate the feedback.
"only an 8000lb trailer" dude it's a half ton 😂😂😂 also not a chance it's going to get 30mpg
marlin gast i was thinking the exact same thing. The average person wont even tow more then 4000 lbs
I prefer to use 3/4 truck for anything above 6k.
Not while towing, but I got 30 mpg with my '16 F-150 and 2.7EB.
@@yoddy0 ive towed over 6k with small suv wagged hard loaded all wrong
@@tedschmitt178 We need to see a video of that. Put cruise at 62mph reset trip meter then go 50 miles then report back.
No offense,but if your planning on pulling 8000lbs with a half ton pick-up very often,no engine or transmission combination will last very long! Those of us that pull 8000lbs on a regular basis knows that's not a load for any half ton pick up
Exactly. Weekend warrior sure but I wouldn't use it for heavy vocational use.
The problem lies in the manufacturers specs for towing, people think because they own a F350 or 3500 series truck they can tow the moon behind them, not to mention the people that buy little 1/2 ton and want to tow 10-12k lbs. Just try to get those loads under control WHEN things get a little crazy. The driving training centers and insurance companies should make it mandatory for people to have trailer towing 101, because most of these people out here are over confident in their trucks ability to safely control the loads that they are rated for and when problems arise they don't know what to do and people get hurt or killed because your truck not TRACTOR says you "can tow" 25k lbs doesn't mean it's safe to on public roads without endangering others on the road if you haven't had proper training. Oh, and all trucks built now seem to be disposable cash holes, they are changing them every year not to stay fresh but so they can confuse us with the less stinky pile of shit, I'm not sure on this one but I would think that one pile tastes as bad as the other. Don't buy either or any pile of shit, buy an old truck you love and put $10-15k into it and you'll have a old reliable, durable truck that will be able to drive better than a Raptor. I can't believe those words reliable and durable can still be said today but you can only seem to relate them to the good old days.
Exactly. Just because you can, doesn't mean you should.
The f150 lacks the mass and braking power to pull these loads.
Dean Cooney lol your a fool!
Love my 3.3l. Its actually got balls you wouldnt know until you drove it
Hows it on fuel
David Ilijevski it does well, i actually get 18+ mpg and i dont drive slow
@@williamalanschulz nice i prefer something like that i dont like turbos and prefer basic reliability.
Same here. I love mine. I get 22 mpg on City driving. But I drive like a granny and time the lights....😂😂
@@Anth230 what about highway? Do u have crewcab 4x4
Really good video. This channel is going to grow quickly.
Thanks David. It always seems to take a lot more work than I expect it to.
Very informative review, thanks for all the details.
In my opinion, the 5.0L V-8 is the way to go. Naturally aspirated and still puts out 360H.P. That is what I have in my 2014. The Ecoboost engine spells trouble later in the life of the truck. A twin turbo on a V-6 will overwork the engine. And on top of that, people that don't know better will treat in like a race car. Being an auto tech for over thirty years, I had my day in the sun racing around town. The days of V-8's and carbs with 4 on the floor. Today I want dependability and simplicity. I believe the 5.0 L is the way to go.
Valid comments. I like what you're saying about how the Eco will be driven. I'm always wary of buying a used sports car or sport bike for the same reason.
Ed Lococo But I've heard the 2nd Gen ebs are pretty reliable.
Not at all. The 5.0 is a capable heavy tower and it will last a lot longer.
Tommy Truth The 5.0 is a beast, but they updated the 3.5 so it Bo longer has the direct injection issues among other things so that engine should also be pretty reliable.
agree fuck that eco-hoax
I get 21 MPG with my 2015 5.0 (highway and 18 MPG mixed driving) and it hauls my 4 place enclosed snowmobile trailer (7,700 lbs) like a boss! I would recommend the 5.0 to anyone looking at the F-150 over any of those 6 cylinder junks
what size tires and what brand do you have
I average 20.5 in my 2019 f150 5.0 4 door 4x4
Thank you 🙏 for the info . I’m now subscribed , so keep them coming 👏 👍
I like these new V6s and i have seen some of them with over 300.000 miles on them and still going, with minimal repairs-water pump, brakes etc. The milage is what sells them as they get great milage. Nice to see there coming out with a V6 diesel which will pull better and even get better mileage. Although (smile), if it was me, id of kept the inline 300ci six cylinder. When they had fuel injection on them in the 90s in the 4 wheel drive F150 they got over 20 MPG. Here is the part i like best about them, they are easy to work on, anybody with a set of tools can work on them. They were easy to change injectors,tune-up, do a valve job, even do a engine rebuild while the motor was still in the truck (if it didn't need to be bored out for bigger pistons). That is why "i think" they should of kept making them. This was a good video, thanks. Tom in Portland OR where it only rains from sep thru may.
Skip the 5.0? I'm sorry but I have to disagree there. The 5.0 should be the ONLY choice for anyone serious about having a truck that will be used for longterm towing and hauling. The simplicity and proven design give the 5.0 an almost guaranteed work life of 200,000 with proper maintenance. As others have mentioned, the dealership I used to work at had ecoboosts in for mid to serious engine work all the time - never once did I see a 5.0 or even the old 6.2 in for work. Also, you can thank the lack of turbos for the "sluggish" feel. Add a single turbo to the 5.0 and it would be running low 12s and possibly high 11s easily and vastly out-tow the ecoboost. Boosted, low displacement engines are not a long term solution in the full-size truck market and we have already begun to see the consequences of high boost take effect.
Marty Beaudry Mechanical engineer specializing in automotive...you?
Marty Beaudry Sure thing, buddy
FruitMonsta180 .i just bought a 2017 f150 with a 5.0 .i love it,great fuel mileage and lots of get up and go.so fun to drive.
john doe You'll love it. 17,500 miles later on mine and it's the vehicle I've owned to date. Mileage is great considering it's a V8 making almost 400 horsepower.
I bought a 2017 f150 5.0. I talked to four long term ford mechanics that said they would go with a 5.0. Only the salesmen were pushing the 3.5 and they didnt know a spark plug from a waterpump. My 5.0 has all the power anybody will ever need.
4WD Magazine. To advise skipping the V8 is a bit short sighted. Few people tow 8,000lb's often, but if you do, Ford advises the V8 for frequent heavy towing. Also, if you plan on keeping your truck long term, the V8's lack of complex Twin Turbo's, intercoolers, as well as extra coolant plumbing for the Turbo's, will add up to a more reliable, lower maintenance engine, and with lower intake temperatures, and combustion pressures than a Turbo engine, the V8 will have better longevity. All that, and mileage very close to the Turbo's, this is the engine to choose. Yes, you give up the Turbo's quickness, but when your truck reaches 150,000 miles, you'll be thankful for that NA V8, still running strong.
ron mortensen completely Tru and I am a mechanic repair costs and reliability easily choose 5liter hands down
The same argument works for the 3.3 (or NA 3.5 in the 15-17, 3.7 in the 11-14)
A quad cam VVT motor isnt as simple as the old push rod motors, but are less complex for sure than the turbo motors. Few people with full size trucks are towing 5000#s regularly, never mind 8k.
Look at Fords motors from 10 years ago, like the 4.0 V6 in the Ranger, and 4.6 2V (or 3v for that matter). Plenty of work was done by trucks with those motors. Todays XL work truck outperforms most of those, and its deemed insufficient lol.
A turbo really isnt all that complex......
I agree with you, ppl don’t understand that turbo engines just don’t last as long, I know bc I own a 2011 3.5 eco boost. I had problems with it every 5k miles. The timing chain went dead after 40k miles, which turned into a 5 grand fix...the maintenance costs are ridiculous for the ecoboost. Also the gas mileage numbers are crap. My mpg was 14 on a good day, that turbo eats gas for breakfast under acceleration, you only get good numbers under highway conditions, making the ecoboost a bad choice for city driving, I recently bought a 2018 5.0 and I love it, much better being naturally aspirated 👍🏼
Thank you. There's so many dudes on here that have no idea how a combustion engine alone works much less the additions of both port/direct injection. They believe because a 5.0 is in the mustang this must be a car engine. Truth is Ford totally remapped this engine with other components to bring the high torque numbers down to a 3800 rmp range for Max power. There's nothing wrong with sitting at 3800 rpm in this engine while towing heavier loads up hills. Don't let me get started with the newer Ford PTWA technology in how they coat the walls of the cylinders making these cylinder walls last and last and last meanwhile being much lighter than a cast iron sleeve. The coyote v8 is an excellent tower just tows a little differently than an ecoboost. The naturally aspirated bigger displacement engine will always reign king of towing. What these people don't realize is Ford and other companies are pushing these turbo charged motors down their throats due to government regulations and also the amount of money they have invested in the engineering. They don't want to flop and not sell these things. They started out slow sells until all the so called experts starting making videos on how great the ecoboost is. I'm not saying I hate them but come on people if you've driven both that 5.0 may take a split second longer to start sitting you back in your seat but when it does it plants you there. The v8 will always be the way to go on a light duty towing truck.
I have the single cab regular bed 2016 F150 2.7 ecoboost and it's a great work truck.
Great to hear from someone with real world experience - thanks for commenting.
I had the same, but mine was not a work truck.
I don't tow, just lots of hauling in the bed with close to max payload. I've got the 2016 5.0, I'm really happy, a couple small issues but nothing to do major components. I'm glad I went 5.0, I have even been able to squeeze out 10 L per 100km on long road trips.
That's great to hear. Thanks for commenting.
Solid review, I thought you broke this down extremely well and spoke very clear. Maybe back the camera up a little bit on the next one.
After asking mechanics in multiple FORD dealerships what their opinion of the best engine for a 150 was, 100% said 5.0 liter. I bought my new 150 with the 5.0 and could not be happier. It has tremendous acceleration, it is smooth, not overstressed, great mileage and I expect to get 250K miles from it. Boosting tiny engines to get big horsepower is what Indy cars do.....they last for a whole race...maybe.
I believe turbo charger technology has come a long way since the eighties, nineties and now 2000's. They get the same warranty as non-turbo's and everybody id building them.
Byron Allen ive had. 5.0 and i have the 3.5 eco... the ecoboost smokes the 5.0.. its a monster i love it. i also still have the triton 5.4 w 260000 miles ... the eco is the best out of all three
I have to agree; a 5 liter should be standard for a truck this size. If driven properly, not hard, fuel consumption should be reasonable. Plus, the power is there when needed.
Maybe so but longer oil change intervals at 10,000 miles will wear these engines out and repair costs will be high...... The owners manual isnt written to make engine last longer, it written for lower owner maint costs while under warranty..... They're in the business of selling vehicles not making them last 300,000 miles...
@@phil2856 I had a 2015 5.0 and switched to the 2017 2.7. Both trucks are crew cabs, and both are 4x4 either can tow anything I want. The 2.7 though averages 4 more mpg in town and 4 more mpg on the highway.
I heard somewhere that the 2018 3.5L ecoboost engine has Direct & Port fuel injection at the same time...
Hi, I purchased a 2004 F150 new and still running good aft a few issues with plug coils & injectors. Presently getting 25.1 mpg Hwy & 17-18 mpg city. (5.4 cu) with 116000+ miles..
Why would I trade this vehicle?
I wouldn't. Keep it. Sounds like you got the right truck for you.
5.0 v8 and disconnect the stop and go crap!
But you have to hit the damn button every time you get in the truck.
Start/stop is stupid horseshit.. When people realize it is on every F150, Ford sales will drop.
LEAVE IT IN OFF ROAD MODE.
Emissions have gone to far ruining our trucks.
@Camera Man you can also plug in a seven pin connector tester and leave it in. That turns to stop/start feature off because it tells the computer that there is a trailer connected, and that bypasses the feature.
i'll rather have the 5.0, not looking forward to possibly replacing the turbo's later on down the road after the warranty runs out on the eco-boost
I hear that from a lot of viewers, but then I just watched a video from a mechanic doing an oil change on a 2.7L ecoboost that hit 200,000 miles and it is a work truck.
trigga ville I mean, I've heard from basically everyone, if you get one of the 2nd Gen ebs you're golden for reliability because they basically fixed all the issues the first gen had, carbon buildup being the primary issue they fixed.
4WD Magazine that may be the case, but I’ve been looking at trucks both new and used, most all used trucks are eco crap that people have traded in for newer ones and v8 trucks tho!!! I concur
@@dallasharris8753 I was one such person. Ecoboost is similar to overclocking a cpu. Its neat at first but it eventually catches up with you and when it does its expensive. New turbos, exhaust, timing chain and phasers. Its a known issue on the EcoBoost. I plan to keep mine for a while so I learned my lesson and got a 5.0.
Jeremy Arant Amen brother, all the new vehicles look nice and shiny on the outside, plus they are expensive too, but basically they are all junk when it comes to repairs!!! I’d rather have old school stuff, at least you know what you have n you fix it reasonably !!!
Thanks for the great information. Didn't know the reason behind the port and direct injection. Built Ford Tough!
Love my 2.7 ecoboost Highway I see 23-27, in the city about 10-15, it's got plenty of power towing with ease gonna pull my buddies boat this summer, took it on a 12 hour drive and averaged 26 miles a gallon. I was gonna take the small escape ecoboost but way more comfortable taking the truck and pretty much getting the same mpg
Cool. What year is your truck?
its a 2016 lariat 2.7 ecoboost 4x4
Great Video, just picked up a 2018 F150 V6 2.7L Ecoboost and I absolutely love it. Its a fun drive during my regular commute and is capable for towing and offroad when needed. I traded in my '07 4.6L V8 F150 and am happy with the change to V6, your review on the 2.7 is incredibly accurate to my experience.
Thanks for the kudos and you sure made a great choice. I have truck envy.
obviously it was a typo, dont be an ass.
Failed to mention the issues occurring with the two ecoboost engines. There is carbon buildup and overheating transmission pumps that destroy the engines. The V8 is also not sluggish. Not sure where you got that.
Mo's Fishin true I've had people tell me that Semis have been doing it for years on Diesels and gas and Diesel engines aren't much different well a diesel handles boost a lot better
TimmyTeaBag The issue of valve sticking comes from direct injection ,turbo and pcv gasses combined .Not at all similar to diesel engines
I know. Apples and oranges. Gas and diesel.
@Mo's Fishin...not any more. The carbon buildup issue has been fixed since 2017 with the 2nd Gen 3.5 EB with direct AND port injection. And he got the V8 being sluggish by comparing to the 3.5 EB. Don't know why that isn't coming through with people.
The new engines are dual injected [direct and port injected to solve carbon build up]
Just bought a super cab with the 5.0 three days ago and very happy with the 5.0. Started off wanting the 3.5 but after test driving both decided to go with the 5.0. The 3.5 had nice power BUT when I drove the 5.0 I could not notice a difference in power. I know the numbers say the 3.5 has a little more torque but I really couldn't feel it. What I did feel is the 5.0 has plenty of power and if you want more it would be much easier to add some after market bolt on's to beef it up far past the 3.5.
Another thing I noticed is the 3.5 seemed to be working much harder to produce the power. It kinda feels like every time I pushed the peddle a little harder I was abusing the engine where as the 5.0 felt like it was built for it when you pushed harder on the peddle.
What was the axle ratio of the 5.0L that you drove? It's not sluggish with the 3.73! The best you can get for towing in a Chevy is a 3.42, that sucks!
It's been a while but I recall it was the max trailer tow pkg, which would make it the 3.73. I was comparing Ford engine/drivetrain options and it felt sluggish compared to the Ecoboost engines. But the same as most gas, non-turbo V-8's in the 5.0-6.2L including the 2019 Chevy/GMC's I just tested. Thanks for the comment!
5.0 with factory installed tow package.355 posi,HD trans cooler,HD engine oil cooler plus several other goodies all designed to snatch and sling a trailer all day long
No. The 5.0 is a sports car engine. All of its power and torque are generated way too high in the rev range to really do any truck stuff.
I got the 3.3l 4x4. Don't pull 8000 lb. trailers and don't have a problem, if you know how to drive. Its got more horsepower than my '93 Trans Am had. Way better truck than my '05 f-150 2x. And about 700 lbs. lighter. Did I mention I paid 25 grand.
Nice, thanks for commenting.
That 3.3l has the same horsepower that V8's had in the past. If you don't tow anything heavy, it is one fine engine. Put it in sport mode and you will get a speeding ticket before you know it.
I hear the 3.5 ecoboost isn’t reliable mostly because of the turbos. Is the 3.5 v6 naturally aspirated more reliable? It’s standard on the 2017 XL
My 4.6L V8 triton motor has been awesome in my 02 expedition. Truck is going on 17 years old and still running like new. Mileage is kind of low for the age at 168k but still running strong and the rest of the truck is holding up great. I would go V8 all the way.
V-8's have been the standard for a long time and are still the favourite with other manufacturers.
That is a crown vic motor. Apples to oranges.
I have a 2019 3.3L and I love it. Don’t tow with it and didn’t really buy it to pull.
down in tourqe but similar numbers to toyota engine all new motor 3.3 few have used or seen one
So why did you buy a truck if you just use it as a car? Sounds like a waste to me.
Every comment says the same: 5.0 all the way. I have a '18 5.0 and love it! So happy I got it over the Ecoboost. Im putting in a Whipple, btw. :)
Slaw Dawg that’s my plan for my 19
My dream ( whipple)
The thing about the 5.0 is that it’s not a truck engine. I generates its peak torque WAY TOO HIGH in the rev range. That’s why it’s sluggish when loaded down. The little eco boost engines out class the shit out of that sports car engine.
@@petrosspetrosgali I don't really use it as a truck per se so I don't have this issue. And with my Whipple now, it's fast. Plus it's a short bed.
Immediately saw the stock iMovie intro, read the comments. We're good here bud.
when did ford start to combine the port with direct injection in the echo boosts? Before that they / all manufactures were having issues with carbon build up on the back of the intake valves????
I love that MPG rating...
18 City
20 Hwy
22 Combined
😂😂😂
S**t. Good catch. Should be 18/23/20 mpg or 13.1/10.2/11.8 L/100km city/hwy/combined for a 4x4 with an LT tire.
Always had f150 trucks and one f250 not a single problem out of any of them current truck is a 2011 5.0 V8 I've pulled all kinds of stuff with it never felt it was short on power and in the long term no turbos to heat up towing and b a possible problem later
Gary Roberts I have a 2013 f150 fx4 5.0 and I was very impressed with it this past weekend. It was like a tractor in tow haul mode pulling our 21 foot boat. Even our old 97 f350 had trouble towing it. Not this truck though, pulled better than I was expecting! My dad was following me in his gmc 5.3 towing a pretty well empty car trailer and he fell a half mile behind me up every hill :)
2011 was reportedly the last good F150 they put out.
The turbo's are water cooled.
Peter everyone knows you drive a red station wagon.......... stop trying to fool everyone saying you drive a 5.0
You are smart enough to perform the required maintenance on the truck. Unless you get a lemon, any vehicle can be reliable if you JUST TAKE CARE OF IT. I appreciate my 2014 F-150.
Great honest review Thanks
We really appreciate the feedback, thank-you.
I'd like to see how the 5.0 v8 performs on a level playing field using the same 10 speed transmission and then put the smaller eco boost with the original transmission v8 that people say the v8 was sluggish. It would be an interesting mashup.
For Ford to only offer the diesel option in higher trims kinda defeats the purpose of offering a diesel in the first place since most contractors and construction fleets will likely only go with basic work trucks like the XL or XLT.
The XL is all anybody needs.
YES STUPID FORD.
You can get it in the lower trim levels if you have a Ford Fleet ID number. You don't have to be a large company to get an ID. You can incorporate yourself and get an ID number. Then you can buy any of Ford's fleet offerings like the police vehicles and Diesel F150 in a lower trim
No mention of dealing with crud build up under the valves in the cylinder heads common with direct injected gas engines.
That is a concern with DI but Ford says that by also using the port injection it will keep them clear.
4WD Magazine. So far Ford F-150's and Toyota's 3.5L V6's, and the 2018 Camry's new 2.5L 4 cylider, are the only engines with Direct and Port Injection, but hopefully this will become the norm.
The addition of the port injector (s), is this common throughout the line of Eco boost engines? Does the use of low friction piston rings contribute to additional higher oil consumption and additional carbon byproducts entering the crankcase? What is the real world life expectancy of these engines compared to a port injected engine?
7runamuck. Sadly no, the only Port and Direct injected engines are in the F-150, and Toyota's 3.5L V6's, and the 18' Camry's 2.5L I4. It's very possible that the low friction piston rings increase oil consumption, and increase crankcase gasses, especially in Turbo charged engines, due to increased intake temperatures and combustion pressures, these are both enemies of engine longevity. There is evidence that Direct Injected engines do much better, if the vehicle is driven mainly at highway speeds vs. stop & go city driving.
7runamuck From my understanding, this is basically the new standard for all eb engines to have port and direct fuel injection.
This is a great review. Proud 2.7 owner
3.3 f150 has a better power to weight ratio than 1980s f150s had with the 4.9 i6 or the 5.0 v8 ? And those did all kinds of work back then?
hey not a bad review, broke down very well. I'm the old 6.9- 7.3 era all the way. lol
Thanks
mchl8 haha me too, I'm a simple man I guess I have an 87 6.9. I wouldn't take one of these new trucks even if it was free (unless they'd let me sell it:) I wouldn't be able to afford any repairs once the warranty ran out, even the maintenance is more expensive.
My neighbors spent over 10k fixing their King Ranch and it only had 60k miles on it when it ran into the factory issues.
I've been having a lot of trouble lately with my 6.9 with the IP and fuel, but I try to remember some of the crap others have to deal with on the modern emissions systems and not get too dejected. I only have so many parts that could have failed and they are so cheap in comparison so eventually I'll change out the right part:)
Middletown Mike , lmfao, Nissan better known as pisson , they're junk !!!!
Middletown Mike they are lying to you
HANK CLINGINGSMITH no- these things are trash, I know that. thank you for clarifying this though . 😃
I just picked up a 2.7 liter EcoBoost, I cant believe how much power it has for such a small engine. I came on the lot wanting a 5.0 v8 but after driving the 2.7 I was hooked and wanted it instead. I definitely recommend the 2.7, it will shock you how quickly it accelerates.
Agreed. It has a huge fun factor.
I have 2013 king ranch ecoboost and I love it no problems here
Is Ford still using the woefully inadequate oil pumps in the 150?
At 390 for a turbo replacement I can't complain in the future if it needs replaced. A lot of assumptions that people are paid ford supporters or these engines are problematic. I've had my 2.7l for 2 years and use the auto stop start most of the time. No problems here. I've loaded mine with 1500 payload on steep hills and grade, pulls it like I never added the weight aside from some squat with the load.
Ford's 2.7l is practically a hybrid of diesel and gas engines. The torque down low like diesels, the extra air is a performance boost over naturally aspirated engines at high altitudes where others lose power ratings substantially, and in general keeps high HP where diesels are lacking.
The aluminum body is substantial in allowing for improved capability. I feel I'm driving a sports car but with visibility and power of a truck. Not to mention much improved braking with weight savings.
Anyone with doubts needs to test drive one and if you want more power just put it into sport mode... All the owners on the f150 forum agree, sport mode is a blast. As other owners commented...its sure to make you smile. At 19mpg on my 15' loaded xlt 36 gallon supercrew I'm loving every bit of it. Sign me up for turbo engine and replacements every time should it come to that.
Now just to see if aluminum will last longer in the rust belt.
Thanks for the comment, I couldn't agree more.
So 2 years problem free and you're all in on this and trying to convince others to purchase one?
@@ryans4871 Absolutely, some of the internals , Block use the same composite as fords diesel. They designed this engine for the high pressure , torture tested it . They have continued to improve it with dual port injection, upgraded oil pump. People really dont even understand turbos , They have been used on Trains , Ships , planes ,just because something has a turbo does not mean it's not reliable. In fact turbos are just a turbine that uses free flowing exhaust . Electronics , technology on todays trucks is more likely to cause the expensive issues then turbos. I have a 2019 2.7 , I see zero reason to worry about reliability with proper maintenance. 2019 ram had more recalls on airbags , welds on the drive shaft, screen issues , but people get caught up on turbos lol
I went from a 14 Silverado 5.3 to a 19 F150 2.7. The 2.7 has a more "truck-like" power delivery starting at low rpm and continuing throughout the rev range. It seems like the modern V8s have to rev to the moon to make any power. I don't want my truck to be screaming along at 5500 rpm pulling a trailer up a hill. I know the sound of a V8 is intoxicating, but I think the tradeoff is well worth it to run a twin turbo V6.
The 3.3 is really an ignored engine and that's a shame. Most people buying a new truck rarely tow and rarely haul anything more than some bags of mulch and a few pieces of lumber. I'm sure there are a ton of people like me that want a lower price point, full size truck with 4wd to get through bad snow storms and tow something maybe twice a year. The 3.3 would be perfect for a lot of people and they don't even realize it. The damn thing will still tow nearly 8,000 lbs. Plus it's naturally aspirated, so no turbos to service. I firmly believe that the 3.3 is the pick of the engine lineup.
I say the same thing to folks who don't need the power or performance. But then I feel they would be better off with a compact pick-up.
Totally agree. I had a chance to test drive the 3.3L in a 2018 F150. Really nice engine...one of the nicest I've driven in a pickup and I've been driving pickups for 30 years. For most people who use the 1/2 ton for basic transportation, it would be more than enough. The onboard fuel economy as calculated by the computer was 12.3L/100 km. Amazing for a big truck.
I agree. For many people it is an ideal choice. Put it in sport mode and the thing will snap your head back. And, best of all, no turbos to fail.
@@4WDMagazine F150 curb weight in the 3.3 is closer to a compact truck already. Compare a supercab F150 4x4 to a crew cab Tacoma or Colorado 4x4. Yeah you get slightly less room in the cab, but a wider and longer box. Similar weight. And around here, cheaper than the mid size trucks.
Very true. I have a 2013 F150 with the NA 3.7 engine with RWD and I get a combined 18-20 MPG. it's been great for my remodeling business and home needs. It has enough power for most people. Unless you carry big payloads or trailers on a regular basis, it doesn't make sense to get the more complicated ones. I am thinking to get the new 3.3 enginve also with a 6 seat ext. cab configuration.
I have always been a Ford man, in 2016, I drove one, 5.0, column shifter, console shifter unavailable unless you bought a Sport Package, Same for black interior, only available in Sport, body color bumpers, all that I didn't want, so I drove and bought a 2016 Tundra, I'm pretty happy with it. Plenty of power, torque, very reliable. All that said, If Ford came out with an Ecoboost 5.0 I'd probably come back as quick as I could !
The Tundra is a solid truck - you made a great choice.
Does stop start damage your engine? I’ve heard it can cause premature engine wear
5.0 is the best F150 engine. By far the most reliable no extra plumbing or turbos. Easy to work on. Sounds great. Plenty of power. He said “only an 8,000lb trailer” it’s a half ton. It’s not a semi truck. I’d take my 5.0 with an intake and exhaust over any 6 cylinder with dual hair dryers. It’s a pickup truck.
Andrew Schrandt What about the 3.5 duratec.
Puff the Magic Dragon If I’m buying a truck I’m keeping it for 10-15 years and a 5.0 N/A is easier to work on and cheaper to maintain because there isn’t two turbos and 20 feet of piping and extra parts.
Andrew Schrandt Yes but the same can be said for the 3.5 duratec, both are very reliable, N/A engines. The 3.5 eb is still reliable by turbocharged engine standards, but not as reliable as those 2.
Ford wants you to go to the repair shop sooner with those turbo engines. Sometimes the slower engine means spwer to the repair shop.
You are correct. That is why Toyotas are so legendary for their longevity. I have a 2004 4Runner Sport with a 4.7-liter V8. It only makes 245 horsepower, but it will last for more than 300,000 miles without any major repairs.
Love the 2.7. Dont regret it one bit.
No recent comments? I'm reading the 2018 5.0 I'd notorious oil burner and the Ecos are plagued with cam phasers problems. Plus the rattles from taking the cab off to work on the motors. Anyone hear anything bad about the 3.3?
Performance wise, the ecoboost engines are impressive. However, I cannot disregard the fact that a V8 NA will have less things that can go wrong. As one guy said, she has less plumbing to go bad! V8 is still king in my book!
Thanks for commenting.
Long term tests should be taken into consideration, I just traded in a 2012 f150 3.5 ecoboost with 95000 miles because I needed a new timing chain at 78000 miles and then started having same symptoms at 93000, sputtering engine at 80000 miles from needing spark plugs, leak in cooling lines from turbo heat, speakers, backup camera not working. Went to a ram and love it. No more fords for me!
Jay Topolski
Get what you like, my good friend has a 2005 Ram, I have a 2006 F-150. He's put more money into repairs than I have. We use Chevys at my work and their transmissions and fuel pumps go out. Each has its issues and all in all are going to be pieces of junk sooner or later.
Buy Ford, just avoid the stupid eco-boost engines. And by 90,000 miles, any gas engine truck is shot.
@@tommytruth7595 you have no idea what you are taking about my 91 f250 with the 351w went 450k before needing to be rebuild and it's still on the road today with just shy of 600k
I ownwd a '14 f150 stx sport crew cab with the 3.7 v6, and it was a great truck. I traded it because it would not tow the camper that I wanted to buy. If I had thought my wife and I would want to start camping I would have gotten the '14 with the 3.5eco instead. I then got a '15 f150 XLT crew cab with the 5.0 v8. I had a problem with the rear end shaking after a gear swap to a 3.73 ratio. Never could get the shake out of it. It would shake like a bad balanced tire at or above 80mph. I then read up on the next gen 3.5 ecoboost in the '17 F150. I traded for a '17 f150 STX sport with the max tow, 3.55 gear, 36gal fuel tank, rear factory tailgate step, and sync 3. The ecoboost has been great so far, and it also has the 10spd transmission. In town I average about 19mpg, and on the road with 4 adults and the bed full of luggage, and other stuff, I got 22.9 mpg. I averaged 70-80mph on the interstate. The 10 spd has been very good so far, I have had none of the issues other have had with it. My truck was built in May of '17 after some of the updates to the transmission. Shifts great and it does not "hunt" gears at all. I tend to drive it in sport mode most of the time as the truck is overall more responsive in that mode. I have the factory tail pipe remove , and a 3inch turndown at the rear axle. The resonator has been removed, and it sounds great, and I get good compliments about how good it sounds. You can only do so much with a V6. The power is great and the truck will really surprise you with how much power it has. I can say, having owned both that I do prefer the 3.5 EB over the 5.0. I'm not saying the 5.0 is bad, because it is a great engine for sure, but the low end torgue of the V6 is crazy.
While lots of folks love the 5.0L V8, I would argue that turbo-charged V6's are the future of half-ton trucks. Performance and fuel economy can't be beat, and I suspect the new generation of Eco's will prove to be reliable as well.
What about this 3.5 V 6 with twin turbo a that out pull anything ? This looks like re hash of the 3 8 grand national with a turbo .
While i do agree with what your saying here, especially about the engine choices, i wouldnt count out the the 5.0l completely. Yes, if you plan on towing heavier trailers alot the 3.5l is definitely the best towing engine, having much better torque in the lower rpm and in my experience runs an average of 1000rpm less towing than the 5.0l. And driving empty it is a much smoother driving engine as it doesnt shift as much to pick up speed because of the low end torque. The 5.0l seems that when to touch the pedal even slightly, its dropping gears and is excited to go, its like it wants to be driven hard and doesnt like being in the lower rpm range causing it to shift more. However the 5.0l gets pretty damn close to same mileage empty as the 3.5l, and if drive alittle heavy footed it does seem to do better mpg wise than the 3.5l when the truck is empty.
But as far as the fun factor especially for those of us that love building engines and the way a n/a makes power the 5.0l is definitely where its at. There are so many routes and parts to build this engine anyway you want.
I'm such a fan of the aftermarket I can't disagree with your last comment. If you want an engine to tune and build - go 5.0.
Luke Strough So far so good awesome truck. Very true all manufacturers have issues some more than others. I'm not loyal to any brand buy what's the best deal.
Luke Strough Well,considering the 5.0 is a Mustang engine with a couple of changes is why it behaves that way.
Luke Strough wait driving a 5.0 is gunner that a twin turbo 3.5? Dude you as most of the idiots on here bashing the 3.5 don't know what your talking about. The twin turbo pulls way harder that a 5.0 which equals fun.
Casper Ghost
Dude, i didnt bash the 3.5l, that engine is great for towing, I just said if your into building engines the 5.0l is a more fun engine to have. Now this is just opinion but the ecoboost to me feels like a electric motor, it makes a stupid amount of low end torque and just holds that torque most of its rpm range which kinda just makes a linear feeling of acceleration but is perfect for towing. Where as the 5.0l has that building up to its power as it revs up which to me makes it alittle more fun to drive, but its always screaming when you actually need the power for towing . Plus it has ALOT of room for building and making more power, whereas the ecoboost is kinda strung out already so theres not alot of room for making it faster as an empty truck and tinkering with it for fun.
2.7 ecoboost is bad ass. I have a F-150 sport and I love mine.. Great fuel mileage if you keep your foot out of it.
do a test at 62mph putz on freeway for 50 miles flat wind free and report the best reset computer number over 30 I have to see it
@@tongafuponga3258 I've never gotten over 22 mpg ' thats pretty good in my book. especially for a 4wd
Should of mentioned in the review that anyone buying a EB, a extended warranty is a MUST! If you lease you’re golden. Go with the 3.5
5:43
18mpg city, 20mpg hwy, and 22mpg combined. Is that extra ~3 mpg from the entrance ramp?
Corrections are in description - sorry for the confusion.
V8 on my brothers 2008 f150 is still going strong no issues , if i ever get one it will be a v8
J.T Houston TEXAS I have an 07 with the 4.6 242k not a tick or ping on the engine. A van my dad has 06 e250 4.6 570k never been touched
Good review but like any review, no one can test long term durability and reliability. I'm talking >12years with 300,000miles on the clock especially in northern climates. Logically, more parts and complexity means more things can fail.
Valid comment. But they do try. Here's a link to a story about a randomly selected, torture tested 3.5L EcoBoost in 2011 that went through 150,000 simulated miles while being repeatedly cooled to -20°F and heated to 235°F; then dropped in a truck and sent to work as a log skidder, then hauler, then pulled and put in another truck to race the Baja 1000. Then dyno'd again and shipped to the Detroit auto show where it was pulled apart in fron of a live audience. While the engine had some significant wear, they've had six years to improve and learn. - news.pickuptrucks.com/2011/01/what-the-inside-of-a-torture-tested-ecoboost-v-6-looks-like.html
Quang Nguyen Good point. I've seen trucks rusted to pieces after 12 years.
I've seen Toyotas rusted in half in 5-6 years.
You can't find those metrics because in a Ford gas truck it's more rare than a unicorn fart to find a Ford gas truck with an original factory installed motor with 300K on it.
Keep shoveling shit, Turd Ferguson.
I have a 06 f150 with 5.4 v8 200k miles and still running good. And it is payed for
In regards to auto stop start, starter is 3 times that of a normal one, it does not operate half as much in winter weather. I like it as I know which red lights have me idling 3-5 minutes. If you watch how you brake you can control it.
Thanks for the comment. I wouldn't be surprised to learn that 5 years down the road these were trouble free. It just takes some getting used to.
And wait until you have to replace a starter and battery in a start/stop vehicle. $$$$$$$
@@tommytruth7595 There not normal starters there much more durable you wont have to replace for a long time is the normal operation of them i would assume well over 100k is the average
Have a 2.7 ecoboost and could not be happier with the lil rocket motor. Better than 21 mpg around town, where 90% of my driving is done. Never once have I even thought I'd like to have more power. I never would have guessed just 2.7 liters could do what they do in this truck, hope it's a great engine long term, just 7 thousand miles, and a smile every one of those miles.
Couldn't agree more. After a lifetime of 5.0L plus sized engines in trucks, it's a mental leap to grasp how much you get out of the new smaller engines.
Great review!
4WD Magazine well if they woud slap turbos on the 5.0 then that would be a game changer you think?
Poppy Neese don't tow with the 2.7l you will have over heating issues and turbo problems
tmaq97 they won't. 3.5 ecoboost is very expensive tech and coyote twin turbo is guaranty over priced for sure since ecoboost is more than 5.0 as is. can't go wrong with VMP or Roush blower
2013 F150 (46k miles) with a 3.5 ecoboost here. I will NEVER buy another ecoboost and maybe never buy a ford again. Between timing chain issues, carbon build up, sludge build up, torque converter problems, Ford's flat out refusal to honor warranty issues & being lied to but service reps, I have no faith in Ford's "quality".
My 14 gmc sierra shakes all over the place at certain speeds (i know other people with the same problem), its all the makers unfortunately.
I have a 2008 GMC Sierra 5.3L with 262,000+ miles on it and it runs just as good as it did on day 1. Ford designs their vehicles to be difficult to work on so you have to take it in. GM caters to the home mechanic and have more vehicles on the most dependable list than any domestic manufacturer. Chrysler are throw away cars and have always had issues with their vehicles.
Joe Knapp it happens year after year.
Shame... my 2012 has been flawless. sorry to hear about your luck. I have had a good experience with mine and will never drive another V8. They are quiet, smooth, good gas mileage and great power. The carbon build up issue has been solved in the newer models by multi-port injecting and direct injecting.
I keep an eye out for carbon build up, but always run Top Tier Premium Gas, and change my oil frequently. I also use full synthetic with low NOACK. I admit I may still get hit with carbon build up, but the cost to clean and repair is cheaper than trading or buying a new truck. 6 years in... don't see a reason to turn back now.
Ford has no approved method of cleaning carbon buildup in the heads. Fords approved method is to have the heads replaced with new ones.
Ill still with my 1993 ford f150 5.0L 5speed standard 4x4 on the floor with manual locking hubs. Its easy to work on and cheap. No computer crap on it
Wooooow! This was an excellent and informative, well put together video! I learned a lot.
I’m about 5 months in on 5.0 ownership. The day to day in town driving’s FAR superior to the Ecoboost. My wife says the Ecoboost is jerky, at first I didn’t understand what she meant. Then we test drove the 5.0 and she said “see”! I’m sure the towing is better with the Ecoboost but I’m lucky to own a2016 6.7 F250 for that.
Don’t usually chime in on this stuff but all the anti 5.0 chit chat is starting to get to me! The 5.0 is an amazing smooth, reasonably efficient, and powerful motor.........oh and it sounds AMAZING!!!
Glad to hear you love the 5.0 and the F150. It certainly is smooth and the sound of a V8 is undeniably good. Swap out the OEM exhaust for a performance exhaust and it sounds fantastic.
A big problem.
ford wants to push that ecoboost agenda because they want to cash in on the servicing. I know a service manager at a ford dealership and he has been raking in big bonus on the ecoboost vehicles.
@vachief...You mean the one video floating around TH-cam? lmao
I disagree with you on the 5.0
2018 with the auto start stop and I I disable the minute I start the truck! I see no reason for it other than to increase gas mileage and when is it increase the gas mileage? One or 2 mpg tops
I think they add it just to meet emmission standards. Maybe it makes sense for folks who live in traffic jams a couple hours a day.
So i can disable the start-stop ? NICE
I drive a 2016 Eco Boost . Crew Cab F 150 . I can get 22 Hwy, and upper 19 local. Great engine .
Is it the 2.7 or 3.5?
4WD Magazine It’s a 3.5 4WD
4WD Magazine My Son had a 2.7. He didn’t get any better mileage than mine. Get the 3.5 . More towing power
Sorry, I don't like V6s in any pickup truck...I don't care how much boost they have...I'll stick with my Ram 1500 4X4 and the HEMI 5.7L engine...How long will a highly stressed small displacement V6 last without major issues ?
I hear people say that until they drive a EB , and tow with one. The low end torque is phenomenal. Yes it's a high performance engine , But the second gen improvement really are significant. They addressed any weak point in the gen 1 designs. Fords torture tested the EB motors. For example the 2.7 hits peak torque 80% at around 2700 vs over 4k on the 5.0 . Maintenance is really key on the EB motors , and almost everyone I have seen with issues neglected maintenance.
The 5.0l is the best engine
Sam Adams I find that very hard to believe. good and reliable yes the best I don't see it. sry
mchl8 what about with twin turbos? Look up juic3d...
Freddy C senseless , not needed on this type of application .
Twin turbos = a lot of problems down the road.
The power difference between the 3.5 eco boost and the 5.0 is hardly noticeable and the 3.5 is less reliable and much more expensive to work on when it breaks
I had a 95 f-150 4 wheel drive with a 4.9 6 cylinder 5 speed manual, believe it or not I put over 400,000 miles on it with no work done on the engine. Had the clutch done twice and the transmission rebuilt once, loved that truck I could always rely on it.
Great review
They still should have kept the 6.2 as a option
It's not needed.
TED Schmitt not needed? Then why are they coming out with a 7.3 litre gas
2012 f150 5.0
Thanks for commenting Vicky - sounds like you're a pre-aluminum bed person.
My 2013 5.0 still gets 21 hwy and 15 to 16 city after 63000 miles and my friends new Ecoboost 3.5 2018 Raptor gets he says if he's lucky 15hwy and wouldn't show me his dashboard read out for the city because I was picking on him how bad is it owners?
I have the 3.3 and I can only cruise main street, I tried hauling some 2x4s and no go.
Really? Wow. I have a 3.3 and it hauls hundreds of 2x4's no problem. 13k and no oil consumption or bad turbos on the v6...😂
yup trade it in every two years.
This really is what the manufacturers look at. Can't blame them, really. The original owners trade every three years or so. The engines will last thru the warranty period in most cases. By the time the third owner comes along the warranty is usually gone, that owner has no interaction with an original dealer or the manufacturer and so they no longer care. If the truck becomes too expensive to maintain by 150k that's a good thing for the factory...
The annoying part of it all is how these people line up to sing the praises of these engineering disasters. Because it's new. It's "progress". New is not automatically better. Progress is not automatically good. In this case the perfect engine for a truck is a mid to large NA V8. Best all-around performance/mpg/miles-of-service/ease of service.
I miss the days when people actually knew about and cared about their vehicles.
I want a new truck but dont want to pay more than 20 grand. Can Ford do that? Then I'll be impressed..
Not in Canadian pesos!
Nope, and unfortunately the ranger will cost you as much or more than a similar f150. Apparently compact is valuable and costs more!!
Sorry john, but nobody ever can or will sell a truck for 20K new. Inflation sucks, and people want tech! The days of simple trucks are over unfortunately.
You can get a regular cab, 8 ft bed 4x2 f 150 with the v6 for about 24k. If you want 4x4 it will be close to 30k....
Just bought a 2018 xlt sport with the 5.0 last week. with the new 10 speed I'm averaging almost 20mpg mixed city an highway. For me there is no other option when it comes to an engine for reliability. I traded my old 2012 xlt 5.0 in on this one with 140k miles and never had any issues with the powertrain aside from having to replace a water pump at 110k.
I’ve been a ford guy most of my life My last f-150 was a 2009. They’ve been slowly taking the power away from the F150 with each new model. My current truck is the F-250 with 6.7 power stroke and that thing is a beast. Given how much they’re asking for F150’s you’d be nuts not to jump up to the F-250 unless all your doing is city driving.
If you do a lot of serious towing, you're right - go bigger.
18 mpg city 20 mpg highway 22 mpg combined???? how?
lmao
Lol math
Canadians just do really good reviews! Dang Canucks! Maybe it's because of their British ties or during those long cold winters they have all winter to think about what they are going to say
Axle gear ratio can make a huge difference when pulling a trailer. Most v-8 Ford trucks come a 3.15, 3.31, 3.55 options. The 3.3 v-6 comes with 3.55 or 3.73 options.
Ford also puts out what they consider to be the best all-around ratio in any give combination usually favoring fuel economy. The 3.55 Axle ratio for overall general use will give you decent fuel economy along with great towing capabilities.
If you do a lot of highway driving, then a lower number (For example, 3.08=higher ratio) will produce better fuel economy. And, a higher number (e.g. 4.10=lower ratio) will work well for driving in stop-n-go traffic. Just depends what you use your truck for most of the time it's driven.
I have a 98 Chevy Tahoe with the 5.7, 4 spd. od & 3.08 rear end, stock wheels and tires. It still gets 12-14 mpg. But it is pretty torquey.
Turbos are always fun to drive. But the 5.0 does seem to have more potential for gains, with the right upgrades of course.
So are you saying the 3.5 has more power then the 5.0 coyote?
You know back in the day v8 engines weren't anymore powerful than this 3.3L V6 and everyone hauled their boats and campers just fine. Nowadays ppl feel their trucks are inadequate if they can't hammer down at 130kph up a hill and your words enforce this misguided thinking.
daviesakiller
You know back in the day we had these things called big block Chevys and in the hands of the right DIY wrench turner those things could easily make 600 plus hp
These modern-day consumers are so stupid, let's pay 50 or 60 Grand on something that falls apart within 10 years
None of the stuff is re machinable it's just plastic throw away garbage
Back in the day, those big blocks needed their carbs rebuilt every 6-8 months, too.
What day would that be? We rebuilt the occasional carb after abuse or bad fuel...or after 15 years and a 150k miles. Nobody was rebuilding carbs every few months.
V8's have mass and make torque at lower RPM's. There durability and ease of maintenance is very good. These mini-motors will do fine...for the warranty period. Then they will be service nightmares people can't afford to maintain and that will gut resale value, just as Ford has dealt with for years thx to the Triton V8.
FMChimera
Truth spoken, amen.
Like I said in the hands of the right person,
Carburators are the best, cheep and easy
I'll stick with my 18 Tundra. They have been making the same powertrain for 10 years. People think that it's a bad thing I have the complete opposite view. I know it's been tested. New and improved doesn't always mean better. It is basically a fuel injected 350 engine with 4.30 gears. It'll easily last me 20 + years with general maintenance.
There's definitely an argument for 'no change' when it comes to making a case for durability, but it hurts Toyota's sales. I'm not a car guy but I think they spend more updating their cars on a regular basis. The FJ is another case of Toyota's neglect - now it's gone.
I'd really like to have an Expedition XLT with the EcoBoost, along with a Ram 3500 diesel, as I have absolutely no brand loyalty, LOL. I'd also find it fun to add a Suburban into the fleet as well.