First off the Jeep that is trying to imitate a Truck is comical. And the price tag turned me off from the first year they came out. I wouldn't own a present day JEEP and IF I was forced to take one, I would immediately SELL IT. The Galdiator is a large POS pretending to be a truck. F*ck Jeep.
For people who change trucks every 100kmiles/10years, it is a personal preference, really does not matter. If plan to own 200kmiles /12+ yrs, it matters。If go by turbo, make sure change oil and coolants. Turbo engines run hoter, oil and coolant deteriorates faster than those of regular engines. I own both: A first gen 2011 3.5L turbo, 77k miles; and a first gen 2011 5.0L 117k miles. I bought both used, So far no major issues on either of the 12-yrs old trucks. Also just boght a 2020 5.7 Tundra. I Iike the 2 older F150s better bcz how they drive , etc. After all, love your truck, maintain them more regularly than should, don't abuse it, then any reputable models should be fine.
Great content from someone that has actually owned and experienced both rather than some forum posting person that has owned neither and just regurgitates what they hear from other people.
I had a 2016 Navigator I sold a few months ago, and I had 260,000 miles with very minimal issues. My only repairs were the radiator fan and rear the AC blower fan. That 3.5 EcoBoost was so awesome! I upgraded for a 17 Navigator just for requirements for my limo license. Biggest key is keep clean oil in that motor!
For the money they want for these trucks, they should be just about perfect. Can't believe people put down $65,000 on a new truck and then have a hard time keeping it out of the repair shop. For that much money it should be rock solid and dependable.
maybe new trucks aren't for you? perhaps you need to stick with 20 y.o. vehicles you can afford? Face it, new vehicles are no better than older ones 10+ years old for dependability , they just cost more. perhaps you should worry more about getting a job that pays more?
@@elfiero50 LOL, my Ford is 24 and runs great. The most I have ever spent on a vehicle is $12,000. Was complaining for people I know that had lots of problems with new, expensive trucks. I can afford a $65,000 truck, but because of the way I was raised, I just don't want to buy one.
@@zoobrizz every person I've ever met who said that has never driven an ecoboost or owned one. Perhaps you would be embarrassed by the ecoboost because you need a V8 to compensate for your short comings in other areas of your life.
I’m a 2.7 EB kinda guy! That fortified engine block is built like a tank and it’s NANO too! I have watched a million engine tear down videos (thanks to “I Do Cars”) and the engineering that went into that engine is truly impressive and even had the host somewhat speechless!
It’s true I work at a dealer and we hardly ever see the 2.7s in for major repair. Some might argue because they’re a newer engine option by Ford but I see trucks come in with the 3.5 all the time from the same generation as the trucks with the 2.7L. Usually the 3.5s are in for a cam phaser rattle or water pump leak. Besides that they’re fairly solid motors as long as oil changes are done on time. Same with the 2.7. The VVT system heavily relies on good quality oil in all modern vehicles
@@alb12345672 minus the whole cam phaser issue. I'll take a 2v anyday. Couldn't pay me to take a stock 3v or 4v. That said, ford seems to have figured out dohc's in the 5.0. 262k miles on my 2012.
@@nicholasbarth114 4vs are extremely reliable. If Ford used them in Trucks as their v8 they would have a lot more customers. They never blow plugs either. the 5.0 is essential the 4v with cam phasers. I have 200K on a lincoln continental. Runs the same as it did at 50K. Again, pretty much the same engine without phasers.
I have had the 2.7 in 3 of my f 150s. The one I put 70,000 miles on in in one year towed my 7,500 pound boat to Florida 3 times. Love the moter plenty of power and has 190,000 miles running strong.
@@BoostedBoyd I agree, I have a 3.5 twin turbo explorer sport and can't even see the people in my rear view mirro after a minute . They don't even know what happened to them 😅
I've got a 2019 2.7L Ecoboost and I love it....Sport 4x4 crew cab ...it runs great and tows everything I have. The turbos also help climbing hills...👍🤠
I’ve owned all three engines in this order 2012 3.5 eco, 2019 5.0 , 2022 2.7 eco , and now 2022 3.5 eco. The 3.5 is by far the best my first 3.5 180,000 miles no issue other than the moisture build up in the intercooler a drill bit fixed that in a few seconds. The new 3.5 is leaps above the old one.
Great video and very accurate. As a mechanic I work allot in the eco boost 3.5. I find most the issues come around 70k miles. Main issues to look for are coolant leaks at turbo fittings, oil leak from brake booster pump (rear driver side head at fire wall.) This will poor oil down the trans. The third main one because of the heat and pressure is the timing cover leak. The fourth which is a Ford favorite is stretching timing chains. Now, it is a great engine and he is right. If you tow heavy weight in high elevation the 3.5 is great. But I feel for the average driver the 5.0 will give better long term reliability. Maybe throw a catch can for the oil on the valves (do that for both 3.5 or 5.0 without the dual injection stem.)
@@TubeBrowser2 Wrong engine and generation. That was 2004-2008 F150's (11th gen). In 2009.5 (12th generation), Ford redone the 5.4 triton 3 VALVE V8 to solve the issues with the cam phasers (for the most part). 2010 was the final year for this motor (Triton). In 2011, Ford release the 5.0 Coyote V8 for the F150 & Mustang GT. Please don't spread misinformation, doing research not only covers you but also helps other readers out.
I agree, the 5.0 is definitely better in my opinion for the average user. Turbos can be fun, but they tend to burn oil much quicker. I know this because I have my first turbocharged vehicle at the moment, and oil changes are much more mandatory and frequent then usual.
@@_....____......_ Didn’t Ford fixed the problem at 2017+ for the 3.5 eco boost? I drive about 35 min for work so I want reliability (4 door of course) but I also want to compare the gas mileage on 3.5 vs a 5.0, is it any difference? Don’t get me wrong I love the sound of the coyote v8. 5.0 for the single cab tho lol
I test drove a 3.5 before I bought my 5.0 F150. To me, the 3.5 didn't feel like it was even on par with the 5.4 I was trying to replace. Maybe it was just THAT truck, maybe not. Either way, I feel good about my decision on the coyote
@@fastdude2002There are both pros and cons to turbo engines. The increase in pressure under a load can certainly become the downfall. Displacement has always been, and will always be, a major factor. Asking a smaller displacement engine to consistently do the work of a larger displacement engine will, invariably, wear down the smaller engine far faster than the larger engine. Adding turbos just so a smaller engine can potentially do more work, only serves to compound this issue. Now, the smaller engine has to not only do all this work, but has the added issue of all that increased pressure being shoved into it by the turbos, then add even more with the direct injection they use. This is why those mechanics you mentioned have said what they've said, and they're not wrong. Just to illustrate that even Ford realized this, let's look at engine history a little bit. The 300 inline 6 and 351W were engines available not only in the F150, but also F250. Later, the 5.4 was also made available in the F250. So enter the 3.5 ecoboost to replace the 5.4 in the F150, but the 3.5 is nowhere to be found in the F250 line. Why? Because Ford knew that that platform would be asking too much of that engine and the small displacement would never hold up.
@Lukas zzstu Sikorski I have noticed that, and I find it interesting what a historical change that is for them. As an example, if we look back just a couple of decades, we find that Ford used the 351W as not only the large engine choice for the F150, but also as an entry level engine option for the F250, and the subsequent replacement for the 351, being the 5.4, the same situation, however the 3.5 EB is presumed to be the 5.4s direct replacement in the F150, it is notably absent from the larger trucks. I find that fairly telling in itself. The engineers know what's up.
So I used to think the same way about V8s vs ecoBoosts... In '19 I was in the market for an F150, and I've driven both. Loved the V8 growl, loved even more the twin turbos punch. I researched both engines, and discovered that more ecoBoosts were running at over 100 and 200k miles on the odometer. Also, the newer ecoBoosts had many of the flaws prior, resolved. So I got a beautiful '19 King Ranch with the ecoBoost, and I just LOVE this engine. I drive it 95% of the time in eco-Mode, and it makes a noticeable difference in acceleration, driving, and fuel consumption. ...in Sport Mode, it's INSANE. I've since added an Oil Catch Can, an AFE cold air intake, and Magnaflow exhaust. Amazing 👍
To me it's really silly and annoying that they pipe in "engine sound" through the speakers in an attempt to make the ecoboost sound better/louder. I'd prefer it to be as quiet as possible. To me that would be a great selling point, as long as the power is there.
As a kid, I used to put a baseball card in my bicycle spokes to make it sound like a motorcycle. It was so cool. Now as an old man, I appreciate quietness.
In a similar situation here as I drive a 5.0 at work and own a 3.5. While they're both great compared to trucks just 10 years ago I never regret having the 3.5, the full torque at low rpm can't be beat by other gas motors.
Same boat here. I have a 13' with the 5.0 for work and a 19' with the 3.5 and the 10 speed as my personal truck, and the 3.5 is just so much more fun to drive.
Ive got a F150 Platinum with the 6.2l V8 (411HP/434TQ)... I get about 13-14mpg not towing anything, and 11-12 towing 9-11k. All that said I absolutly love this truck. I used to not like f150s and was a Dodge/Gmc guy but the Platinum hooked me and there's no turning back now lol. These Platinums are nice, elegant, and comfy. love your channel and personally think your advise is all great. Thanks for all the great vids!
I have watched hundreds of comparison videos about these trucks and you have by far the best comparison videos I have ever seen! Thank you for sharing this! Thumbs up!
I have a 3.5 myself and I agree as well... even if you are from cali. 🤣 I found your info about mountain towing knowledgeable and informative and even with my A.D.D. I actually watched all 28 min of your video with minimal skipping. Thank you, keep up the good work.
Also with n/a engines, they struggle more at high elevation due to lack of air induction. Turbos are freaking awesome for smashing through high elevations! I love my ecoboost!
No, they struggle because there is less air to begin with... Sure forcing air in will improve matters, but it is still struggling whether you realize it or not... The turbochargers are spinning faster to make the same power as sea level.
@Bikedueder the inertia of the flywheel still keeps the engine turning, there's less ambient air inside of the intake manifold for the combustion chambers which is why n/a engine's struggle at high elevation. To much fuel not enough air on carb engines, fuel injection cycle ramps down to keep the mixture stoich, resulting in lack of power Edit: fuel injection cycle ramps down on fuel injected engines lol, realized I wasn't specific after talking about carb
@@Bikedueder You are incorrect. I've owned at least 12 trucks (suv/truck..12-22 models) in the last decade. I've run the 5.3, 6.2(gm), 5.4, 5.0, 3.5 (ford) and 6.4 ,6.7x3 (ford) Currently running another 22 eco boost in the last 10 years. The boost helps a ton in the mountains. I live at around 700ft. My cabin is at 8900ft. There is a huge difference in the power with a forced induction engine. I've ran all of them like a bat out of hell. I drive 40-50k miles a year. I tow travel trailers as well as 2 sxs. The boost absolutely helps and they are durable as long as you do proper maintenance. I've run all over 100k.
I have a 2013 Eco-boost with 258,000 on it. Not the first engine issue. Have a 2017 Eco-boost with 10 speed. It has been fantastic, as well. Oh yeah. Towing. I regularly tow over 10,000 lbs., mostly liquid nurse wagon. For anyone who has towed liquids, they have a special issue, sloshing. Love my Eco-boosts!
@@Khaymen2233.5 eb with max towing package (aux trans cooler, bigger alternator, oil cooler, sway control and all the rest) is capable. My 3.5 is rated for over 12k lbs.
@nateg08 in my opinion------it's still a half ton truck period. All these guys talking about what a truck can pull , ignore what a truck SHOULD pull. No half ton truck on earth , no matter what brand/ mods should EVER pull 10k. Ever. Any driver that does so is endangering the lives sharing the road with him. If you wanna tow real weight, buy a truck made for pulling weight. That means F250/ 2500/ 350/ 3500. Sure my Silverado 1500 can pull 9700#. I have a trans cooler, oil, air bags. weight distribution, max package ect.. I'll never get near that weight. Why? Cause I'm careful, and care about my family and others lives.
One thing that most people do not know and should be told about is when you are driving from a lower altitude to a much higher altitude the EFI does not know you did. After climbing a couple of thousand feet you should stop at a rest stop or somewhere safe to stop and shut off the engine. Wait 30 seconds then restart and go on. Now it knows you are at a higher altitude because it does a baro check when the ignition is switched on. You will find it will run better.
This is false information. The ECM strategy constantly adjusts the fuel trim. It reads many things (outside temp, engine temp, oil temp, and barometer) to adjust the air fuel ratio and timing. It does this to make the engine run at its peak but also safely. Turning off a turbo engine after making a climb is actually the worst thing you can do. The engine oil is at its highest temp and needs to cool before shutdown. And the bearings inside the turbos get the most wear by shutting down while hot
I like the 5.0 V8. I had one in my 1995, 2013, and my 2017. I had the 300 six cylinder in my 1975 and 1983. The 1983 6 cylinder blew 2 exhaust manifolds pulling a fiberglass center console I bought. I went to the 5.0 after that and it pulled it with no problems. I will always buy the 5.0 in my trucks.
I've actually I the same vehicles 5.0 short bed,1995 300six long bed,Ford ranger 2.3 all bullet proof ,I love find a 300six with low mileage and rust proof frame I drive it still
I have owned my Ecoboost for 3 years now. It has 93k on it and I have pulled plenty of heavy loads. Very pleased with the power and reliability of the truck so far. My brother in law has the 5.0 with over 150k and it has been very reliable. Both are great trucks and The turbos are not a concern on these trucks or any turbo vehicle made within the last 10 years
Turbos have come a long way in reliability compared to what they were back in the 80s, but they are by no means bullet proof. In fact, many manufacturers will tell you they have a 10 year/150k mile lifespan on their turbos. Thinking that it is going to last the life of the truck is like thinking your alternator or starter is going to last forever. They are a part, they have bearings that wear out and go bad overtime, even with proper oil changes. Ford also uses a wide range of quality turbos for their ecoboost, some good, some not so good. The SHO (which I own) uses Garetts which are very reliable, but other vehicles are equipped with Borg Warner, which are not so good. Frankly, if I was a truck owner and planned on putting over 200k miles on it, I would avoid the ecoboost, however, if I only planned to lease the vehicle, or own it up to 100k miles I would consider an ecoboost.
I had to replace both turbos on my 3.5 at 22k miles. 6500$ had to replace timing chain and tensioner at 45k miles 4k had to replace exhaust manifold and alternator at 55k 2k. Sold it after that it was a complete pile.
@@jeffjackson9679 I understand where you’re coming from the turbos are just another part to worry about versus a NA engine but I work in a garage where we see a lot of diesel trucks come in with high miles on them. Diesels do require a lot more maintenance than a gasser but replacing turbos is not very common. I’m not saying they will never give me problems but I’m more worried about cam phasers and timing chains than turbos.
I usually don't like purely talking videos... but there was so much information and useful 1st-hand experience related here, I hardly noticed the 1/2 hr going by. Thx!!
We are in the process of buying a slightly used F150 as a 3rd vehicle and I found your presentation extremely well done. Straight and to the point. Thanks you!!
I have 270,000 miles on my 2013 5.0 F150 XLT I bought new and it still runs like the day I got it! It tows my 25’ foot Sea Ray cabin cruiser without any problems, I think I’ll be sticking with the awesome V-8 sound and longevity LOL 😁👍
I got 220,000 km on my 2014 3.5 EB. All i did was spark plugs. runs like a top with 20x12 wheels with leveling kit. Fuel economy went to shit after the wheels and level though.
@@daveaffolter9697 It's nice to see other people having the same success I am having with my 5.0, that means it's not a fluke, it's a well engineered motor. I'm at 277,000 now and had to replace the bank 2 catalytic converter last week. Kind of pricey because I live in California but the performance is back to like new!
The 5.0 10 speed f150 is the most sought after truck on the market. Put a supercharger or turbos on that v8 and you’ve got a monster. No way I’d ever go ecoboost.
i differ as it i agree turbo the v 8 but remember the v v6 has bigger pistons as i like the 5. 0 for the mustangs as its lighter vehicle but the truck should be 351 c.i.modified with tourbo s or 460 big block twin turbo as 5.0 is better than 302 but not a 351 or 460 as 400 wasnt much as 360 ,390 were bad ass turbo those then we have some gass guzzling machines i be in
It's hit and miss. My co worker bought a BRAND NEW 2014 EcoBoost f 1whimpy, 4 trips to the dealership for window issues, the right front tire was BALD at 38,000 miles, the timing chain, stretched cam phaser failed chain tensioner failed at 77,000 miles. After the oil and coolant leaks he traded it in for a 2019 , two days after he bought the brand new 2019 F-1 whimpy the driver's front door would not latch! It bounced opened 3 time's before it would stay shut...
I have the 2012 3.5 ecoboost. I had issues with dirty sputtering valves. I installed an oil separator and problem solved. 140k miles now, it’s a keeper!
I haven't been a fan of smaller, turbocharged engines in large trucks but I think I am coming around to them. A guy I know has a fleet of these ecoboost F150s and they all get upwards of 200k miles on them with no issues.
I buy new F150s and 250s for my business, and we trade them at about 200k miles. I've had 5.4s, 5.0s, 2.7s, 3.5s in the F150s, and 6.7 diesel and 7.3 gas in 250s. The only engine to give us any issues was the 6.7 in a F250.
Transmissions between those 2 setups are BIG. More gears=more optimal sweet spot for towing. All that said, I’ve owned a coyote truck and ecoboost both with 6r80 transmission and felt the ecoboost was better pulling and more fuel efficient
Ya I feel the 5o just sounds nice but the ecos are awesome with towing and gas mileage. I have a 2021 Ford ranger fx4 and get 380miles a tank (18gallon) when I baby it to work and back. Fully loaded tow still not bad almost 270miles. Staying under 2.1k shifts empty and staying under 3.1k shifts towing unless going up hill and using Cruse control most the time. My uncle has the 2021 f250 tremor gas N/A V10 or V8 I think and gas sucker bad. Even empty babying it gets like 14mpg I get 21-23mpg
As a former Ford dealer tech (2015-1017) and now still working on a ton of Ford trucks, I'd own the 5.0. The 3.5 is GREAT, if you buy it new and maintain it. I see so, so many 3.5's now off used car lots that were neglected then traded in and just kick the new owner in the teeth with things like turbo and timing chain failure. I've also seen em with 300,000 miles on stock everthing. I would be extremely leery of any used 3.5 truck after the failures I've seen.
Im trying to decide on buying a used one from 2015-2017 less than 70k miles. Which engine would you recommend? I won’t be towing anything other than a small boat maybe in the future. My biggest thing is reliability and peace of mind. Also what about the 2.7? Thank you in advance!
@@ericpena3426 If you get a 3.5 go 2017 as it has the gen 2 3.5 with direct and port injection and the 10 speed. If buying used with 70k miles I'd go 5.0. I own a 3.5 and it's been reliable but I maintain it well. The only issue I've ever had since new to 97k was the manual parking brake froze and wouldn't release and needed replaced under warranty at 36k but that's obviously not engine related. I've had a 2.7 loaner anytime warranty work is done and it feels basically the same as a 3.5 for normal driving. I like the 6 speed trans in the 2015 and 2016s. The 10 speed was 3.5 only in 2017, the 2.7 and 5.0 still used the 6 speed. Aside from normal oil changes I did the coolant at 60k and trans and diffs at 80k. I change the plugs at 40k. I've used all OEM parts and fluids.
@@ericpena3426 you’ll want to go naturally aspirated 5.0 if not needing the low end towing capacity. We have both. 3.5 is superior in every way if towing. 5.0 has way less go fast parts to go bad…expensive parts
I’ve had a 2011 with the 3.5 Eco, a 2016 with the Coyote and now own a 2018 2.7 Eco. By leaps and bounds the 2.7 is my favourite, it does everything my V8 did but sips gas in comparison. I drive about 60,000km a year and the V8 was killing my wallet. I doubt I’ll ever buy another V8, if anything I’m hoping to own an all electric F150. As for turbos, I’ve put hundreds of thousands of km’s on various Ecoboost engines with zero engine issues, turbos are the least of my worries.
You change yours every few years but I keep my F150’s for over 10-15 years and if you keep them that long avoid anything turbo as the engines wear out faster.
@@m1kcan1 I buy new ones because I want to, not because I have to. It’s a myth that turbocharged engines wear out faster than non turbo engines. This is very old technology that is basically adding more air into the mix. if it’s done correctly there is absolutely no additional wear on the engine. If that were the case you wouldn’t see transport trucks and VW TDI getting a million miles, literally the exact same principles. But each to their own, if you like V8’s, drive a V8 it’s your money.
Great video. I have 2015 3.5 ecoboost. I've had for 4 years now. I'm at 90k miles. No issues yet. I pull a 21 foot mastercraft. About 5,000 pounds. My record heat is 247 degrees. It was a hot day and I was going thru a canyon in Utah on my way home from Bear Lake. If I had hit 250 I was going to shut the A/C off.
I had a 2019 F150 with a 3.5 turbo. I bought it new and owned it for 43 days. It had a dead miss that they couldn't resolve. They took it back and I bought a RAM with a Hemi. When they took it back, the sales manager asked me to walk around behind the dealership. There were four Rams parked there. They all belonged to the technicians.
Ram 1 ton with Cummins diesel pulled my 10,000 lb loaded toy hauler through the Rockies like a freight train, did NOT downshift to climb the mountain at 70mph. Engine brake worked so good, I rarely had to touch the brake pedal coming down the mountain (maybe a handful of times on the tight switchbacks. If I lived in the mountains and towed, I wouldn't buy a gas engine. The cummins diesel was unreal.
Quality, objective review. Got 131K on my ‘15 F150 with 3.5 Eco, it’s been great, I would buy it again. IMO it beats the V8 in every way except the sound.
@@cccharlie007 Sorry y'all have had so much trouble; maybe mine is an outlier. It's over 140K now, still rock solid (knocking wood here). I like it so much, I wish I'd bought 2, & could have stored the extra until the 1st 1 wore out.
@@johnbranson7253 Yes sir I get it. I loved mine and was very.disappointed when the first seal blew. It was a '13 with 79k. So many compliments on that ruck! It was a beauty for sure. Wish you the best .
I have a 2017 Ford Explorer with the 3.5 EcoBoost and I pull a camper loaded at just under 4k. The Explorer pulled the camper over a pass in the North Cascades while accelerating to 60 mph where appropriate with no issues or high RPM. When I drove my 2000 F350 DRW with a 3k truck camper over the same pass, the truck struggled to go 45 mph with constant downshifting, and very high RPM. While it may not be an apples to apples comparison, it is what it is. I really love the 3.5 EcoBoost. BTW obviously, I'm not a "car guy" just a user.
@@chrismillner3530 I did. I had the timing chain rattle which required a timing change replacement at about 85K miles. $3500. Even though I performed the weep hole mod I still sucked up oil into my intake manifold that would cause loss of power and misfires that threw codes. I also didn’t like the drivability at all. The engine was laggy, power wasn’t there when I needed it. I’d step on the gas to pass and the turbos lagged horribly. I had to get used to timing my passes and I’d get on the gas early just to get power when I needed it. The engine hunted and vibrated like crazy at idle. People riding in the truck would comment on how rough the engine was. Gas mileage wasn’t that great. When I sold the truck my combined average was 15.4 mpg. The V8 doesn’t have the power that the eco does but it’s way smoother and the power is there when I need it, no lag. Gas mileage is actually a bit better as well. I’m loving the V8 and when the engine goes I’ll have it rebuilt and dropped back in.
This was the most comprehensive and balanced review on not only Ford F-150 engine choices for proposed use but I also appreciate how impartial you are with respect to other pick up manufacturers. For someone like me who has never owned a pick up truck, I always here anecdotal perspectives that can be confusing, untrue or out right bad advice. We plan to buy a trailer for vacationing and need a truck for towing. I like the Ford F-150 as well as the Ram 1500 Laramie and the Tundra. Plan to make a purchase soon. Thanks again.
I just bought a used 2017 F-150 4x4 with about 45k miles with a 3.5L ecoboost about a month ago. My primary use is to take a trip to Maine each year and use it to trailer my 4500 lb boat which lives in Maine, in and out. My reasoning in choosing the 3.5 EB was to get the benefit of slightly better gas mileage and have more low end torque to pull the boat up some steep boat ramps. It remains to be seen if I made a good decision or not. It's an adjustment for me to get used to the different idle sounds than from my old F250 v8. So far, I love the F-150 with all the creature comforts my old truck didn't have (my wife loves it!).
Great video, thanks for your effort in explaining your experiences. I too was skeptical about the longevity of a complex twin turbo engine when I bought my 2013. But I fell in love with all the useable power of the ecoboost and bought it anyway. I just now passed 150K with zero issues except for a transmission recall that did affect my truck. (Repaired under warranty at 135K miles) Other than that problem the only time this truck has been in the shop is for normal maintenance such as oil changes and routine brake replacement. I'm also very impressed with how tight the chassis still feels after so many miles. I too, tow quite a bit and it's seen its share of washboard gravel roads. No squeaks or rattles and if one didn't know it, they'd think it had 40-50K miles on it. When it comes time to replace this in the next few years I will likely stick with the new gen 3.5 or that new hybrid.
I only have a 5.4 u dammm show off naw just kidding wit cha but i love 5.0 motors just cant see myself buying a ecoboost in a truck or suv ill stick with my 98 eb 5.4 looking for a excursion actually
@@tufelhunden5795 but if you tow everyday why not just get a diesel? I don’t see advantage otherwise. I have both . Drive both 3.5 gets about 18.9Mpg. 5.0 16.9.
@@sticks7971 I bought the ecoboost for a travel trailer and then we decided we would prefer a 5th wheel, which is why I bought the diesel. If I towed everyday for work or was full time RV'ing I would have purchased the diesel to begin with because as you pointed out it's the better setup for towing everyday.
Great video! After 10 months of researching all the trucks, I finally bought the 2017 F-150 3.5 ecoboost. I am not into the heavy sound of a V8 like I would have if I was in my 20's. I pull a travel trailer and I am very happy with my truck's performance. Again, you have done a great engine comparison and torque analysis.
Those cold sweats and vivid dreams are a serious side effect I had as well. It’s really your rem sleep cycles restoring and your finally able to fully process your thoughts,feeling, emotions.
I have the 3.5 ecoboost and you really give a good review of the truck. I still prefer the ecoboost. If I ride around 60 mph I can get 24/25 mpg. You just have to maintain the engine more than 5.
I have a '12 Ecoboost. Fuel economy seems to have dropped after the 60k mile sevice in which pliugs and wires are changed out. When the truck was newish, I drove some 100 miles keeping it under 55. Got 28 mpg. At 70 mph empty, 19 mpg. Around town, I'd get 16 to 17 tank after tank. Now, 15 or less around town. Towing a 25 ft teavel trailer, 70 mph only 8 mpg. If I keep it under 60, 11 to 12. Drives Wifey crazy "poking along" at 60 but, I like to enjoy the trip and not beat up the horses...
Great video, I have a 2.7 turbo 150. Amazing torque, horsepower and being 700lbs lighter because of aluminum body it is like driving a sports car and that's no joke. 2.7 has great fuel mileage as well.
Really great video. Very informative. I have an ecoboost f150 and I didn't realize it had more lower end torque at lower rpms than 5.0. No problems yet and 134k miles.
@@nextlevelbjj3083 I love my f150. I have 159k now. No engine work yet but replaced 1 turbo and the torque converter. I recently towed my 16 foot trailer with 7,000 pounds of gravel on it and the truck did fine. The truck also has a tall topper with ladders and tools in the side doors of the topper.
2014 F150 5.0L no issues. 2018 F150 3.5L had turbo issues and threw codes. Sold for 2020 F350 7.3L which has been flawless. Naturally aspirated all the way for me.
I'm on my second F150. Started with a normally aspirated v6 work truck. It was fine, no problems. I traded for a 2.7L ecoboost, which is a lot more responsive and more fun to drive. I get 21.5 mpg and use it as my every day driver. Time will tell how reliable the 2.7L is but I really like the engine and am willing to take a chance on it.
In all honesty, the 2.7L EcoBoost is one of the best designed engines of all time. Especially after they added the dual injectors to it... it now gets the same performance as the previous 5.4L but with double the mpg. I have a 3.5L Expedition that is my daily/work rig and get 15 mpg no matter what.
I'm on my fourth F-150, I renew every 3 years. (Former Jeep Grand Cherokee guy) I've had the 5.0, the 3.5 and now currently the 2.7 engines. I watched this video simply out of curiosity and his assessment is really accurate compared to my own personal experience. I just wanted to throw that out there in case anyone had any doubts as to his accuracy or veracity. I know how us guys can get regarding auto brand loyalty lol.
@Ron Owensby The 3.5 is the better engine across the board but the 2.7 is certainly no slouch! It's what I'm driving now. I don't tow much but I do haul bed loads from Home Depot and whatnot on occasion. I've never had any problems whatsoever but I basically use my truck as a big car. I hauled my bike out west and it hardly touched the milage. I drag with the young guys every now and again for fun and to tell them that they barely beat a 2.7 six cylinder lol! It'll humble them a bit.
@@bgpurser I'm rolling with a '16 Chevy Silvy 6.2 Edelbrock 2.3L supercharger. I put it on at 88K, now have 147K. Bought the truck new. 6.2's are outstanding motors stock. Did go from 18-19mpg avg to 16-17mpg avg. AFM deleted on both of my mpg scenario's mentioned. Also, towing an '18 Sea Ray SLX 280 (trailer & boat) weigh in at 9,000lb's. Get 9-10mpg's. And, I smoke 3.5 ecoboosts 🤣
I chose the 5.0 for my 2014 f-150 fx4. i was buying used in the 100k-130k mile range and i felt like if the previous owner wasn’t as religious about changing the oil as i am, the 5.0 was probably going to chance of not having as much of an impact as the 3.5. i tow a 4-5 k lbs snowmobile trailer at sea level and the 5.0 has more than enough power for that load.
Don’t forget: your rear-end gearing has a huge impact on how well your engine actually puts down the power. That being said; coyote V8 in my F-150 brother.
I have had F150 3.5L for work since 2012 and they have all been great. My personal vehicle now is an 18' Lariat Crew 3.5L 4wd with some mods and tuned. It's fast, tows exceptionally and handles well with 285/55/20's and 2" rear lower kit. 14.8mpg and I have a heavy foot. I'll hook my truck to a NA Coyote any day and pull away. Priors were a 13' X5M and a 15' Silverado LT 5.3L. My current F150 is the best yet.
I have a 2019 5.0L I came out of colorado with a 4cyl. Had to drive that smaller truck for a couple years for commute. Always had v8 trucks, so when I was ready to get back into a full size truck I just really wanted a v8. When my lease is up I would consider an ecoboost for sure. Just love that V8 sound. Also, good review and information, you put alot research and information in the video!
I’ve got a 2021 3.5, great truck with 80,000klm. I’m moving up from the Lariat to platinum in the spring, love the engine, lots of get up and go. I tow a lot but all under 3000lbs. I service everything myself, use Amsoil and change at 3,000.
I owned a 2013 platinum 3.5 eco boost 6 speed and put 202k miles on it. I really Loved the truck and engine. Traded it in for a 2020 5.0 10 speed lariat. The main difference I’ve noticed is the 3.5 had a lot more power down low and the 5.0 has more power in upper rpm’s. However the 10 speed is loud and sounds like a golf cart. The 5.0 sounds like a diesel after a long drive.
Excellent job breaking down key decision points, I just went through this process myself on these engine options. I'm a turbo guy from waay back, that low end torque is great. My biggest benefits are that torque especially for towing and putting a smile on my face when needed. The 2017 Gen 2 update and 10 speed trans a plus also. Maintenance doesn't bother me I'm happy to do it, frequent synthetic oil changes are key. I do love the Coyote, but couldn't resist the EB's torque charms. Nice video, very informative.
I had a 3.5 eco bust with 7,000 lb trailer. I started having overheating early in a 3 week trip. I found that staying out of boost kept the overheating under control. (My gas mileage was 5% better overall) When I got home I took the truck to dealer who spent 4 days looking for problem. They could not find a problem. Starting from a stop, accelerating to 55 mph on a 1 or 2 % grade would cause overheating. I was referred to an independent shop who accurately diagnosed the problem in 5 minutes. The air flow through the radiator was blocked by dirt & weeds. Later that summer I was on a 6% grade, 7,000 lb trailer, temp of 114 deg, cruise on 55 mph, the engine overheated after 4 or 5 miles. I slowed to 50 mph and the temp went down.
Unless your buying new or low mileage, always go with the 5.0. super easy to maintain on your own and far more reliable. I have 160k miles on my 2013 f150 and all I've had to do is maintain it.
I saved up for a long time and bought my first F-150, a used 2015. I did my research and insisted on a Supercab XLT, 2wd w/locking diff & the V8. I had to travel out of state to find this. Very happy with my purchase. That engine sounds just glorious!
One of my favorite things to read is that someone says they did their research but they bought a Ford truck anyway. If you did research you wouldn't have bought the Ford
@@jamescourier1545 if you drove a ram you'd understand. Number one a reliability tied with tundra for 2021 and 2020. Fortunately not everyone wants a construction worker square truck. But your Fanboy mentality is typical of people who have never driven anything but
Thanks. I'm currently driving a 2014 F-150 V-8 and have been considering the EcoBoost in my next truck. Your straightforward info answered a lot of questions.
If you tow much at all, don’t do it. If it’s a car for you, then maybe ok if you keep it serviced very well. Do NOT go far on the oil changes. Good friend of mine is a trained career Ford mechanic. 36 years. For the record, majority of the experienced Ford mechanics pick the 5.0L for a long term truck.
Excellent review with credible experience. I am 80 and have a personal preference for the V8,. Why ? Because that is what i have been driving for 65 years in a multitude of cars and trucks . Your review is the best I have ever seen or heard in all of those years. I am never too old to learn from those who have real world experience. I will buy another Ford F-150 V8 with confidence. Thank you
I have a 2015 Transit Van with Ecoboost, 80k. Needed Manifold bolts 2017 F150 ecoboost 74k. Needed Manifold bolts. 2015 F150 5.0 115k. NO MANIFOLD BOLT issue.
I don't know much about trucks, but tow a 4,600 pound camper. We are in the market as we own a 2007 Tahoe . We also had a much smaller trailer and my poor truck tows Utah mountains. Thank you for helping me understand the difference!!!!!!
I ve had the 2.7 and the 3.5 And now a powerstroke 6.7 . Everything is a trade off. I was very impressed with the 2.7 loved that truck. My 3.5 felt strong pulling my travel trailer too strong for the truck. What i mean is i had too much trailer for truck it is 7k 28 footer. 3.5 would pull it at 70 pretty easy but any wind at all and i was white knuckling. At 20k miles my ecoboost blew the #3 piston skirt. Went to a super duty with lemon law and got a mighty Powerstroke. Rides like a wagon compared to my 150. Can pull same trailer with infinitely more confidence but i get same economy pulling that load with my diesel as i did with the ecoboost. They all make me miss my tundra. Great video. I hear ya on the Godzilla. I may look there next. Diesels are fine but to your pount the looming big bills over your head after warranty are a concern.
I have owned at least one of every domestic brand and drive all domestic brands in many trim packages, my personal truck now is a tundra and you are right, the tundra is the total package truck, towing good 4 wheel drive and comfort minus all the fancy tech.
My work uses 3.5 ecoboost trucks for superintendents and managers. They have ran several well beyond 200k with no real major issues. It’s a big reason why I bought one and got a great deal on a leased fleet f150 with all the records on it and don’t have a single regret.
Great video, my man. You did your research. I had a 2017 Silverado with the 5.3 and after I test drove a 2017 3.5 Ecoboost, I fell in love and never looked back. I made a few basic mods so far (more to come) and this truck is a blast to drive. I don’t tow anything, but that torque and turbo noise is hard to deny.
I was really impressed with your knowledge of towing. I don't towing much, my full sized motor cycles every now and again, but other than that i don't tow. im interested in the differences between the 5.0 and the 3.5. I've had the 5.0 in a 2012 F-150 and i was very happy with it. I bought it new and i only put 66.000 miles on it. l loved all the options on it. It was an XLT model, but I wanted to test drive some of the other engines. Ford has a lot of options now, something they didn't have 10 years ago. When I drove the 3.5 I was blown away. Long story short I bought the Lariat with a 2021 Lariat with the 3.5 eco boost engine and this car drives so much better than my last truck. Plus it seems to have more power as well. I'm happy that I traded up. You do an incredible job of explaining all that you did and I'm happy that I found your site, Thank you.
I have the 2021 F150 super cab with the 2.7 ecoboost. 35k miles already on it lifetime mpg sits at 25.4 currently including some 500 miles towing boats. I use Mobil 1 or Penzoil full synthetic and change every 5k miles myself. Great truck so far. That’s an oil change every 2-3 months. In the next 2 months I will get the bolt euv and garage the truck for truck needs.
My son bought a 2015 eco boost with 164305 miles on it. We’ve towed a trailer and driven about 1500 miles and it’s running good. He bought it from the original owner who did all the maintenances and used full synthetic oil. He really likes it.
Yes both 5.0 and 3.5 eco are good choices i love the rumble of the v8 and the fuel milage but the 3.5 pulls like a diesel a smaller one of course. But it pulls if I could afford both I would have one of each
I also love my truck. The leaky oil pan sucks. I am putting the second one on at 182,000 miles. My plan is to replace timing chains at 300,000, then replace the engine and tranny at 500,000. The price of new trucks makes this an easy decision to make. By the way, I tow 10,000 lbs frequently with plenty of power to spare.
Great video. I have intimate knowledge of these engines. I test them... for Ford. So I would like to add a couple of things to hopefully add more insight to your great review. First, by adding PFI you can reduce the flow rate of you DI injector. The PFI will allow you to still reach the desired AFR at high power. Downsizing the DI injector will then allow you to run smaller/fewer holes on the injector. Given the same FRP, the fuel is better atomized. Improving its efficiency and reducing emission. This applies also to cold start emissions, as the better atomization, the less fuel lost to deposits and to the oil. A side benefit it that the fuel in the intake will assist in “cleaning” the valves and seats. There is not an extra “explosion”. Secondly, while I agree that fuel economy difference are marginal to the consume, what you described was roughly a 20% and 10% improvement with the 3.5L EcoBoost. In a world that we are looking for a fraction of a percent, that is huge! I appreciate you touching on that at the end and I agree, there are A LOT of factors that play into how close the fuel economy can be. Lastly, the term EcoBoost is self explanitory and you touch on it yourself.... more torque with less(or same) fuel economy. So it is not a marketing gimmick, although Ford has used it as a strong marketing point. Keep up the great work!
@@seandonnelly6401 They are both proven engines. I drive a 2012 with the 3.5. I just ordered a 2021 with a 3.5. I really like it and the potential to save gas is better for my driving…. Even with 120k miles I have no issues turning my 2012 over to my son since he wants a truck now…. and the whole EcoBoost program started in my department…. So I may be biased.
I definitely thought vented seats and a heated steering wheel was for the posh people but then they came in my lariat and I gotta say I would have a pretty hard time giving them up. Haha. Don’t know how nice they are until you use them.
I have a 2011 F150 lariat with the 3.5 ecoboost and have 297,000 miles on it and still going strong and before anyone says “yeah but that’s probably not towing anything” I have towed a 20,000 pound storage container with it from Santa Barbara, CA to Reno, NV no problem plus I constantly tow our 25’ cabin cruiser, 20’ dump trailer and more. The 3.5 is extremely reliable when you take care of it just like anything else.
Friend, I would highly recommend you consider a 3/4 ton with the 7.3 liter. Life changing for towing for lots of reasons. First and foremost is payload. Close to double the 1/2 ton. Secondly you mention torque a lot. That 7.3 liter has 400 lb-ft at 1500 rpm and you will feel it immediately. Third is stability. This is linked to payload of course, but it’s worth a mention. I personally feel the ride doesn’t suffer that much either. The last thing I would put on the list is you can still get all the extras the 1/2 ton has for not a lot more in price.
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are turbo engines as reliable as natural ? +500K ?
Stay away from Jeep!
@@protomatala180 Nope. Forced Induction Engines do not last. PERIOD.
First off the Jeep that is trying to imitate a Truck is comical. And the price tag turned me off from the first year they came out. I wouldn't own a present day JEEP and IF I was forced to take one, I would immediately SELL IT. The Galdiator is a large POS pretending to be a truck. F*ck Jeep.
For people who change trucks every 100kmiles/10years, it is a personal preference, really does not matter. If plan to own 200kmiles /12+ yrs, it matters。If go by turbo, make sure change oil and coolants. Turbo engines run hoter, oil and coolant deteriorates faster than those of regular engines. I own both: A first gen 2011 3.5L turbo, 77k miles; and a first gen 2011 5.0L 117k miles. I bought both used, So far no major issues on either of the 12-yrs old trucks. Also just boght a 2020 5.7 Tundra. I Iike the 2 older F150s better bcz how they drive , etc. After all, love your truck, maintain them more regularly than should, don't abuse it, then any reputable models should be fine.
The answer is simple, put a turbo system on a 5.0!
This!
Why not a root or twin screw?
@@falconwaver this.
@@falconwaver even better..& readily availible.
Or Supercharger
Great content from someone that has actually owned and experienced both rather than some forum posting person that has owned neither and just regurgitates what they hear from other people.
Thanks
This is the best comment here
I had a 2016 Navigator I sold a few months ago, and I had 260,000 miles with very minimal issues. My only repairs were the radiator fan and rear the AC blower fan. That 3.5 EcoBoost was so awesome! I upgraded for a 17 Navigator just for requirements for my limo license. Biggest key is keep clean oil in that motor!
For the money they want for these trucks, they should be just about perfect. Can't believe people put down $65,000 on a new truck and then have a hard time keeping it out of the repair shop. For that much money it should be rock solid and dependable.
I know new trucks and suvs are so ridiculously expensive now
And you can dream then! With complexity you sacrafice reliability.
maybe new trucks aren't for you? perhaps you need to stick with 20 y.o. vehicles you can afford? Face it, new vehicles are no better than older ones 10+ years old for dependability , they just cost more. perhaps you should worry more about getting a job that pays more?
@@elfiero50 LOL, my Ford is 24 and runs great. The most I have ever spent on a vehicle is $12,000. Was complaining for people I know that had lots of problems with new, expensive trucks. I can afford a $65,000 truck, but because of the way I was raised, I just don't want to buy one.
Then buy a tundra lol
My Ecoboost has 154,000 mi on it and it's never had any problems. It's a very reliable truck
What year f150 do you have?
@@lekikelekona9809 2014.
Who would buy a truck with a Eco ? Just embarrassing
@@zoobrizz every person I've ever met who said that has never driven an ecoboost or owned one. Perhaps you would be embarrassed by the ecoboost because you need a V8 to compensate for your short comings in other areas of your life.
@@truckertoddllc So why did Ford pipe in fake engine noise if their customers don't have compensation issues?
I’m a 2.7 EB kinda guy! That fortified engine block is built like a tank and it’s NANO too! I have watched a million engine tear down videos (thanks to “I Do Cars”) and the engineering that went into that engine is truly impressive and even had the host somewhat speechless!
You still like it? I’m looking to get one over the 5.0?
I've heard good things about the 2.7
Good mpg
Tows well.......at least most loads you'd safely put behind a half-ton
Agreed i have the 2.7 and love it !
It’s true I work at a dealer and we hardly ever see the 2.7s in for major repair. Some might argue because they’re a newer engine option by Ford but I see trucks come in with the 3.5 all the time from the same generation as the trucks with the 2.7L. Usually the 3.5s are in for a cam phaser rattle or water pump leak. Besides that they’re fairly solid motors as long as oil changes are done on time. Same with the 2.7. The VVT system heavily relies on good quality oil in all modern vehicles
I’ve had a 2011 f150 5.0 and now a 2017 f150 platinum 5.0. I just love that v8 motor it’s so awesome! Solid engine
The 5.0 Coyote is a beautiful engine, even just to look at. And this is coming from an old Chevy guy.
@@CamaroSS-sy2ei It Descends from the 4.6 DOHC 4vFord motors. Those were some of the most reliable engines ever made.
i have the 2011
@@alb12345672 minus the whole cam phaser issue. I'll take a 2v anyday. Couldn't pay me to take a stock 3v or 4v. That said, ford seems to have figured out dohc's in the 5.0. 262k miles on my 2012.
@@nicholasbarth114 4vs are extremely reliable. If Ford used them in Trucks as their v8 they would have a lot more customers. They never blow plugs either.
the 5.0 is essential the 4v with cam phasers. I have 200K on a lincoln continental. Runs the same as it did at 50K. Again, pretty much the same engine without phasers.
I have had the 2.7 in 3 of my f 150s. The one I put 70,000 miles on in in one year towed my 7,500 pound boat to Florida 3 times. Love the moter plenty of power and has 190,000 miles running strong.
@Paul Paul what would you know? I walk v8's all day long with my 2.7L. Paul Paul lmao
@@BoostedBoyd I agree, I have a 3.5 twin turbo explorer sport and can't even see the people in my rear view mirro after a minute . They don't even know what happened to them 😅
You don’t hear of any problems with the 2.7 either, punchy little engine for sure
I've got a 2019 2.7L Ecoboost and I love it....Sport 4x4 crew cab ...it runs great and tows everything I have. The turbos also help climbing hills...👍🤠
@@possumwilliams2940it's fun blasting up mountains passing all the v-8s. Turbos love that mountain air
I’ve owned all three engines in this order 2012 3.5 eco, 2019 5.0 , 2022 2.7 eco , and now 2022 3.5 eco. The 3.5 is by far the best my first 3.5 180,000 miles no issue other than the moisture build up in the intercooler a drill bit fixed that in a few seconds. The new 3.5 is leaps above the old one.
Great video and very accurate. As a mechanic I work allot in the eco boost 3.5. I find most the issues come around 70k miles. Main issues to look for are coolant leaks at turbo fittings, oil leak from brake booster pump (rear driver side head at fire wall.) This will poor oil down the trans. The third main one because of the heat and pressure is the timing cover leak. The fourth which is a Ford favorite is stretching timing chains. Now, it is a great engine and he is right. If you tow heavy weight in high elevation the 3.5 is great. But I feel for the average driver the 5.0 will give better long term reliability. Maybe throw a catch can for the oil on the valves (do that for both 3.5 or 5.0 without the dual injection stem.)
Thanks for sharing
Don't forget the cam phasers.
@@TubeBrowser2 Wrong engine and generation. That was 2004-2008 F150's (11th gen). In 2009.5 (12th generation), Ford redone the 5.4 triton 3 VALVE V8 to solve the issues with the cam phasers (for the most part). 2010 was the final year for this motor (Triton). In 2011, Ford release the 5.0 Coyote V8 for the F150 & Mustang GT. Please don't spread misinformation, doing research not only covers you but also helps other readers out.
I agree, the 5.0 is definitely better in my opinion for the average user. Turbos can be fun, but they tend to burn oil much quicker. I know this because I have my first turbocharged vehicle at the moment, and oil changes are much more mandatory and frequent then usual.
@@_....____......_ Didn’t Ford fixed the problem at 2017+ for the 3.5 eco boost? I drive about 35 min for work so I want reliability (4 door of course) but I also want to compare the gas mileage on 3.5 vs a 5.0, is it any difference? Don’t get me wrong I love the sound of the coyote v8. 5.0 for the single cab tho lol
I use to be a V8 guy all the time but was really impressed with the 3.5 EB.
did yours blow on you yet? NA motors don't require as much maintenance and costly repairs.
I test drove a 3.5 before I bought my 5.0 F150. To me, the 3.5 didn't feel like it was even on par with the 5.4 I was trying to replace. Maybe it was just THAT truck, maybe not. Either way, I feel good about my decision on the coyote
A non-turbo engine generally lasts longer is what mechanics have always told me. I will take a n/a V8 over a small turbo engine any day.
@@fastdude2002There are both pros and cons to turbo engines. The increase in pressure under a load can certainly become the downfall. Displacement has always been, and will always be, a major factor. Asking a smaller displacement engine to consistently do the work of a larger displacement engine will, invariably, wear down the smaller engine far faster than the larger engine. Adding turbos just so a smaller engine can potentially do more work, only serves to compound this issue. Now, the smaller engine has to not only do all this work, but has the added issue of all that increased pressure being shoved into it by the turbos, then add even more with the direct injection they use. This is why those mechanics you mentioned have said what they've said, and they're not wrong. Just to illustrate that even Ford realized this, let's look at engine history a little bit. The 300 inline 6 and 351W were engines available not only in the F150, but also F250. Later, the 5.4 was also made available in the F250. So enter the 3.5 ecoboost to replace the 5.4 in the F150, but the 3.5 is nowhere to be found in the F250 line. Why? Because Ford knew that that platform would be asking too much of that engine and the small displacement would never hold up.
@Lukas zzstu Sikorski I have noticed that, and I find it interesting what a historical change that is for them. As an example, if we look back just a couple of decades, we find that Ford used the 351W as not only the large engine choice for the F150, but also as an entry level engine option for the F250, and the subsequent replacement for the 351, being the 5.4, the same situation, however the 3.5 EB is presumed to be the 5.4s direct replacement in the F150, it is notably absent from the larger trucks. I find that fairly telling in itself. The engineers know what's up.
So I used to think the same way about V8s vs ecoBoosts...
In '19 I was in the market for an F150, and I've driven both.
Loved the V8 growl, loved even more the twin turbos punch.
I researched both engines, and discovered that more ecoBoosts were running at over 100 and 200k miles on the odometer.
Also, the newer ecoBoosts had many of the flaws prior, resolved.
So I got a beautiful '19 King Ranch with the ecoBoost, and I just LOVE this engine.
I drive it 95% of the time in eco-Mode, and it makes a noticeable difference in acceleration, driving, and fuel consumption.
...in Sport Mode, it's INSANE.
I've since added an Oil Catch Can, an AFE cold air intake, and Magnaflow exhaust.
Amazing 👍
Is she still holding up currently?
How is the reliability of the transmission?
Didn’t they go to dual fuel injectors before ‘19?
To me it's really silly and annoying that they pipe in "engine sound" through the speakers in an attempt to make the ecoboost sound better/louder. I'd prefer it to be as quiet as possible. To me that would be a great selling point, as long as the power is there.
Sound like a granny, bud
Can it be turned off? I want a quiet ride.
But people won't know you're tough as you drive by.
Its very easily turned off, or even turned on if you don't have it.
As a kid, I used to put a baseball card in my bicycle spokes to make it sound like a motorcycle. It was so cool. Now as an old man, I appreciate quietness.
In a similar situation here as I drive a 5.0 at work and own a 3.5. While they're both great compared to trucks just 10 years ago I never regret having the 3.5, the full torque at low rpm can't be beat by other gas motors.
Same boat here. I have a 13' with the 5.0 for work and a 19' with the 3.5 and the 10 speed as my personal truck, and the 3.5 is just so much more fun to drive.
Ive got a F150 Platinum with the 6.2l V8 (411HP/434TQ)... I get about 13-14mpg not towing anything, and 11-12 towing 9-11k. All that said I absolutly love this truck. I used to not like f150s and was a Dodge/Gmc guy but the Platinum hooked me and there's no turning back now lol. These Platinums are nice, elegant, and comfy. love your channel and personally think your advise is all great. Thanks for all the great vids!
We have a 2015 F-150 with eco boost and besides getting 18 mpg and running on regular we love it, no problems with the truck
8 have a 2020 and get 18 mpg with my 5.0 with my commute.
I have watched hundreds of comparison videos about these trucks and you have by far the best comparison videos I have ever seen! Thank you for sharing this! Thumbs up!
Wow thank you
I have a 3.5 myself and I agree as well... even if you are from cali. 🤣 I found your info about mountain towing knowledgeable and informative and even with my A.D.D. I actually watched all 28 min of your video with minimal skipping.
Thank you, keep up the good work.
Also with n/a engines, they struggle more at high elevation due to lack of air induction. Turbos are freaking awesome for smashing through high elevations! I love my ecoboost!
No, they struggle because there is less air to begin with... Sure forcing air in will improve matters, but it is still struggling whether you realize it or not... The turbochargers are spinning faster to make the same power as sea level.
@Bikedueder the inertia of the flywheel still keeps the engine turning, there's less ambient air inside of the intake manifold for the combustion chambers which is why n/a engine's struggle at high elevation. To much fuel not enough air on carb engines, fuel injection cycle ramps down to keep the mixture stoich, resulting in lack of power
Edit: fuel injection cycle ramps down on fuel injected engines lol, realized I wasn't specific after talking about carb
@@Bikedueder You are incorrect. I've owned at least 12 trucks (suv/truck..12-22 models) in the last decade. I've run the 5.3, 6.2(gm), 5.4, 5.0, 3.5 (ford) and 6.4 ,6.7x3 (ford) Currently running another 22 eco boost in the last 10 years. The boost helps a ton in the mountains. I live at around 700ft. My cabin is at 8900ft. There is a huge difference in the power with a forced induction engine. I've ran all of them like a bat out of hell. I drive 40-50k miles a year. I tow travel trailers as well as 2 sxs. The boost absolutely helps and they are durable as long as you do proper maintenance. I've run all over 100k.
Confirmation bias.
Ford is also now Direct and Port Injected
I have a 2013 Eco-boost with 258,000 on it. Not the first engine issue. Have a 2017 Eco-boost with 10 speed. It has been fantastic, as well. Oh yeah. Towing. I regularly tow over 10,000 lbs., mostly liquid nurse wagon. For anyone who has towed liquids, they have a special issue, sloshing. Love my Eco-boosts!
10 speeds would be insane, mine (2014) has 6 but manage 18.5 mpg 40 min drive to work.
You tow over 10k with a half ton truck?
@@Khaymen2233.5 eb with max towing package (aux trans cooler, bigger alternator, oil cooler, sway control and all the rest) is capable. My 3.5 is rated for over 12k lbs.
@nateg08 in my opinion------it's still a half ton truck period. All these guys talking about what a truck can pull , ignore what a truck SHOULD pull. No half ton truck on earth , no matter what brand/ mods should EVER pull 10k. Ever. Any driver that does so is endangering the lives sharing the road with him. If you wanna tow real weight, buy a truck made for pulling weight. That means F250/ 2500/ 350/ 3500.
Sure my Silverado 1500 can pull 9700#. I have a trans cooler, oil, air bags. weight distribution, max package ect.. I'll never get near that weight. Why? Cause I'm careful, and care about my family and others lives.
One thing that most people do not know and should be told about is when you are driving from a lower altitude to a much higher altitude the EFI does not know you did. After climbing a couple of thousand feet you should stop at a rest stop or somewhere safe to stop and shut off the engine. Wait 30 seconds then restart and go on. Now it knows you are at a higher altitude because it does a baro check when the ignition is switched on. You will find it will run better.
This is false information. The ECM strategy constantly adjusts the fuel trim. It reads many things (outside temp, engine temp, oil temp, and barometer) to adjust the air fuel ratio and timing. It does this to make the engine run at its peak but also safely. Turning off a turbo engine after making a climb is actually the worst thing you can do. The engine oil is at its highest temp and needs to cool before shutdown. And the bearings inside the turbos get the most wear by shutting down while hot
I like the 5.0 V8. I had one in my 1995, 2013, and my 2017. I had the 300 six cylinder in my 1975 and 1983. The 1983 6 cylinder blew 2 exhaust manifolds pulling a fiberglass center console I bought. I went to the 5.0 after that and it pulled it with no problems. I will always buy the 5.0 in my trucks.
2013- Best Year. I own one. Thing is a beast on and off-road in the mountains.
I've actually I the same vehicles 5.0 short bed,1995 300six long bed,Ford ranger 2.3 all bullet proof ,I love find a 300six with low mileage and rust proof frame I drive it still
The Coyote 5.0 makes plenty of low-end torque, but any naturally-aspirated engine is going to be short on torque and power at high elevations.
I have owned my Ecoboost for 3 years now. It has 93k on it and I have pulled plenty of heavy loads. Very pleased with the power and reliability of the truck so far. My brother in law has the 5.0 with over 150k and it has been very reliable. Both are great trucks and The turbos are not a concern on these trucks or any turbo vehicle made within the last 10 years
Turbos have come a long way in reliability compared to what they were back in the 80s, but they are by no means bullet proof. In fact, many manufacturers will tell you they have a 10 year/150k mile lifespan on their turbos. Thinking that it is going to last the life of the truck is like thinking your alternator or starter is going to last forever. They are a part, they have bearings that wear out and go bad overtime, even with proper oil changes. Ford also uses a wide range of quality turbos for their ecoboost, some good, some not so good. The SHO (which I own) uses Garetts which are very reliable, but other vehicles are equipped with Borg Warner, which are not so good.
Frankly, if I was a truck owner and planned on putting over 200k miles on it, I would avoid the ecoboost, however, if I only planned to lease the vehicle, or own it up to 100k miles I would consider an ecoboost.
I had to replace both turbos on my 3.5 at 22k miles. 6500$ had to replace timing chain and tensioner at 45k miles 4k had to replace exhaust manifold and alternator at 55k 2k. Sold it after that it was a complete pile.
@@fireant1272 Why did you pay a dime since all that happened under warranty 😂 😂 Unless your telling a completely unbelievable story.
@@jasonamerica7618 I didnt pay. Ford paid for it all. Just telling my story of a lemon.
@@jeffjackson9679 I understand where you’re coming from the turbos are just another part to worry about versus a NA engine but I work in a garage where we see a lot of diesel trucks come in with high miles on them. Diesels do require a lot more maintenance than a gasser but replacing turbos is not very common. I’m not saying they will never give me problems but I’m more worried about cam phasers and timing chains than turbos.
I usually don't like purely talking videos... but there was so much information and useful 1st-hand experience related here, I hardly noticed the 1/2 hr going by. Thx!!
We are in the process of buying a slightly used F150 as a 3rd vehicle and I found your presentation extremely well done. Straight and to the point. Thanks you!!
At some point it will smoke.
I have 270,000 miles on my 2013 5.0 F150 XLT I bought new and it still runs like the day I got it! It tows my 25’ foot Sea Ray cabin cruiser without any problems, I think I’ll be sticking with the awesome V-8 sound and longevity LOL 😁👍
I got 220,000 km on my 2014 3.5 EB. All i did was spark plugs. runs like a top with 20x12 wheels with leveling kit. Fuel economy went to shit after the wheels and level though.
Very nice! Only 210,000 km more and you’ll be right where I’m at 😁👍
I’m trading it in for a 2021 f150 I doubt it could go that far haha
I am almost there with my 2012 coyote. 266,000 and some change currently. My buddy has over 320 on his 2011.
@@daveaffolter9697 It's nice to see other people having the same success I am having with my 5.0, that means it's not a fluke, it's a well engineered motor. I'm at 277,000 now and had to replace the bank 2 catalytic converter last week. Kind of pricey because I live in California but the performance is back to like new!
The 5.0 10 speed f150 is the most sought after truck on the market. Put a supercharger or turbos on that v8 and you’ve got a monster. No way I’d ever go ecoboost.
i differ as it i agree turbo the v 8 but remember the v v6 has bigger pistons as i like the 5. 0 for the mustangs as its lighter vehicle but the truck should be 351 c.i.modified with tourbo s or 460 big block twin turbo as 5.0 is better than 302 but not a 351 or 460 as 400 wasnt much as 360 ,390 were bad ass turbo those then we have some gass guzzling machines i be in
i have 2015 2.7 ecoboost and pull a 3400lb camper and just love the power this truck has
I have a 2012 3.5 Eco-Boost with 135K with no issues what so ever. Very reliable.
It's hit and miss. My co worker bought a BRAND NEW 2014 EcoBoost f 1whimpy, 4 trips to the dealership for window issues, the right front tire was BALD at 38,000 miles, the timing chain, stretched cam phaser failed chain tensioner failed at 77,000 miles.
After the oil and coolant leaks he traded it in for a 2019 , two days after he bought the brand new 2019 F-1 whimpy the driver's front door would not latch! It bounced opened 3 time's before it would stay shut...
Like anything else you get a bad one now and then, maybe it was built on a Monday...lol
I have the 2012 3.5 ecoboost. I had issues with dirty sputtering valves. I installed an oil separator and problem solved. 140k miles now, it’s a keeper!
I haven't been a fan of smaller, turbocharged engines in large trucks but I think I am coming around to them. A guy I know has a fleet of these ecoboost F150s and they all get upwards of 200k miles on them with no issues.
I buy new F150s and 250s for my business, and we trade them at about 200k miles. I've had 5.4s, 5.0s, 2.7s, 3.5s in the F150s, and 6.7 diesel and 7.3 gas in 250s. The only engine to give us any issues was the 6.7 in a F250.
Transmissions between those 2 setups are BIG. More gears=more optimal sweet spot for towing. All that said, I’ve owned a coyote truck and ecoboost both with 6r80 transmission and felt the ecoboost was better pulling and more fuel efficient
Ya I feel the 5o just sounds nice but the ecos are awesome with towing and gas mileage. I have a 2021 Ford ranger fx4 and get 380miles a tank (18gallon) when I baby it to work and back. Fully loaded tow still not bad almost 270miles. Staying under 2.1k shifts empty and staying under 3.1k shifts towing unless going up hill and using Cruse control most the time. My uncle has the 2021 f250 tremor gas N/A V10 or V8 I think and gas sucker bad. Even empty babying it gets like 14mpg I get 21-23mpg
Dude, this is the best automotive video I’ve seen in a while. You made a lot of good points here. Thank you
As a former Ford dealer tech (2015-1017) and now still working on a ton of Ford trucks, I'd own the 5.0. The 3.5 is GREAT, if you buy it new and maintain it. I see so, so many 3.5's now off used car lots that were neglected then traded in and just kick the new owner in the teeth with things like turbo and timing chain failure. I've also seen em with 300,000 miles on stock everthing. I would be extremely leery of any used 3.5 truck after the failures I've seen.
Im trying to decide on buying a used one from 2015-2017 less than 70k miles. Which engine would you recommend? I won’t be towing anything other than a small boat maybe in the future. My biggest thing is reliability and peace of mind. Also what about the 2.7? Thank you in advance!
So, what do you recommend for buying used? In the market now. Thank you!
Awesome. I got 17 navigator with 26K. I’m religious on PMs. I love how fast it moves when punching is needed! Wish me luck
@@ericpena3426 If you get a 3.5 go 2017 as it has the gen 2 3.5 with direct and port injection and the 10 speed. If buying used with 70k miles I'd go 5.0. I own a 3.5 and it's been reliable but I maintain it well. The only issue I've ever had since new to 97k was the manual parking brake froze and wouldn't release and needed replaced under warranty at 36k but that's obviously not engine related. I've had a 2.7 loaner anytime warranty work is done and it feels basically the same as a 3.5 for normal driving. I like the 6 speed trans in the 2015 and 2016s. The 10 speed was 3.5 only in 2017, the 2.7 and 5.0 still used the 6 speed.
Aside from normal oil changes I did the coolant at 60k and trans and diffs at 80k. I change the plugs at 40k. I've used all OEM parts and fluids.
@@ericpena3426 you’ll want to go naturally aspirated 5.0 if not needing the low end towing capacity. We have both. 3.5 is superior in every way if towing. 5.0 has way less go fast parts to go bad…expensive parts
I’ve had a 2011 with the 3.5 Eco, a 2016 with the Coyote and now own a 2018 2.7 Eco. By leaps and bounds the 2.7 is my favourite, it does everything my V8 did but sips gas in comparison. I drive about 60,000km a year and the V8 was killing my wallet. I doubt I’ll ever buy another V8, if anything I’m hoping to own an all electric F150. As for turbos, I’ve put hundreds of thousands of km’s on various Ecoboost engines with zero engine issues, turbos are the least of my worries.
You change yours every few years but I keep my F150’s for over 10-15 years and if you keep them that long avoid anything turbo as the engines wear out faster.
@@m1kcan1 I buy new ones because I want to, not because I have to. It’s a myth that turbocharged engines wear out faster than non turbo engines. This is very old technology that is basically adding more air into the mix. if it’s done correctly there is absolutely no additional wear on the engine. If that were the case you wouldn’t see transport trucks and VW TDI getting a million miles, literally the exact same principles. But each to their own, if you like V8’s, drive a V8 it’s your money.
@@m1kcan1 i remember when grumpy old guys said adding turbos to diesels was a bad idea...now they got them
Great video. I have 2015 3.5 ecoboost. I've had for 4 years now. I'm at 90k miles. No issues yet. I pull a 21 foot mastercraft. About 5,000 pounds. My record heat is 247 degrees. It was a hot day and I was going thru a canyon in Utah on my way home from Bear Lake. If I had hit 250 I was going to shut the A/C off.
Best honest review on both engines.
I had a 2019 F150 with a 3.5 turbo. I bought it new and owned it for 43 days. It had a dead miss that they couldn't resolve. They took it back and I bought a RAM with a Hemi. When they took it back, the sales manager asked me to walk around behind the dealership. There were four Rams parked there. They all belonged to the technicians.
Lol
Ram 1 ton with Cummins diesel pulled my 10,000 lb loaded toy hauler through the Rockies like a freight train, did NOT downshift to climb the mountain at 70mph. Engine brake worked so good, I rarely had to touch the brake pedal coming down the mountain (maybe a handful of times on the tight switchbacks. If I lived in the mountains and towed, I wouldn't buy a gas engine. The cummins diesel was unreal.
Quality, objective review. Got 131K on my ‘15 F150 with 3.5 Eco, it’s been great, I would buy it again. IMO it beats the V8 in every way except the sound.
My turbo is going out 148k miles lol
Glad you are having such reliability on your 3.5. My seals blew out at 79k miles.
@@cccharlie007 Sorry y'all have had so much trouble; maybe mine is an outlier. It's over 140K now, still rock solid (knocking wood here). I like it so much, I wish I'd bought 2, & could have stored the extra until the 1st 1 wore out.
@@johnbranson7253 Yes sir I get it. I loved mine and was very.disappointed when the first seal blew. It was a '13 with 79k. So many compliments on that ruck! It was a beauty for sure. Wish you the best .
3.5 Eb is a beast of an engine. Well for the half tons anyways.
I have a 2017 Ford Explorer with the 3.5 EcoBoost and I pull a camper loaded at just under 4k. The Explorer pulled the camper over a pass in the North Cascades while accelerating to 60 mph where appropriate with no issues or high RPM. When I drove my 2000 F350 DRW with a 3k truck camper over the same pass, the truck struggled to go 45 mph with constant downshifting, and very high RPM. While it may not be an apples to apples comparison, it is what it is. I really love the 3.5 EcoBoost. BTW obviously, I'm not a "car guy" just a user.
the 3.5 eco is amazing for towing and hauling
I have a 14 ecoboost fx4 f150 and absolutely love it. Zero issues with it being 10 years old
I have a 2017 F150 platinum with the 5.0. Awesome truck.
I’ve owned both and now I own the 5.0. I love it and I’m not going back to the Ecoboost.
Did you have problems with the ecoboost?
reasons?
@@chrismillner3530 I did. I had the timing chain rattle which required a timing change replacement at about 85K miles. $3500. Even though I performed the weep hole mod I still sucked up oil into my intake manifold that would cause loss of power and misfires that threw codes. I also didn’t like the drivability at all. The engine was laggy, power wasn’t there when I needed it. I’d step on the gas to pass and the turbos lagged horribly. I had to get used to timing my passes and I’d get on the gas early just to get power when I needed it. The engine hunted and vibrated like crazy at idle. People riding in the truck would comment on how rough the engine was. Gas mileage wasn’t that great. When I sold the truck my combined average was 15.4 mpg.
The V8 doesn’t have the power that the eco does but it’s way smoother and the power is there when I need it, no lag. Gas mileage is actually a bit better as well. I’m loving the V8 and when the engine goes I’ll have it rebuilt and dropped back in.
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I previously had an EcoBoost. Now have 5.0. I like it better also.
I test drove both for the 14th gen. I went with the 5.0 as the economist didn’t put a smile to my face like the 5.0 did
This was the most comprehensive and balanced review on not only Ford F-150 engine choices for proposed use but I also appreciate how impartial you are with respect to other pick up manufacturers. For someone like me who has never owned a pick up truck, I always here anecdotal perspectives that can be confusing, untrue or out right bad advice. We plan to buy a trailer for vacationing and need a truck for towing. I like the Ford F-150 as well as the Ram 1500 Laramie and the Tundra. Plan to make a purchase soon. Thanks again.
Thanks. You can't beat the ecoboost for towing. Only thing better, a diesel heavy duty
I just bought a used 2017 F-150 4x4 with about 45k miles with a 3.5L ecoboost about a month ago. My primary use is to take a trip to Maine each year and use it to trailer my 4500 lb boat which lives in Maine, in and out. My reasoning in choosing the 3.5 EB was to get the benefit of slightly better gas mileage and have more low end torque to pull the boat up some steep boat ramps. It remains to be seen if I made a good decision or not. It's an adjustment for me to get used to the different idle sounds than from my old F250 v8. So far, I love the F-150 with all the creature comforts my old truck didn't have (my wife loves it!).
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Great video, thanks for your effort in explaining your experiences. I too was skeptical about the longevity of a complex twin turbo engine when I bought my 2013. But I fell in love with all the useable power of the ecoboost and bought it anyway. I just now passed 150K with zero issues except for a transmission recall that did affect my truck. (Repaired under warranty at 135K miles) Other than that problem the only time this truck has been in the shop is for normal maintenance such as oil changes and routine brake replacement. I'm also very impressed with how tight the chassis still feels after so many miles. I too, tow quite a bit and it's seen its share of washboard gravel roads. No squeaks or rattles and if one didn't know it, they'd think it had 40-50K miles on it. When it comes time to replace this in the next few years I will likely stick with the new gen 3.5 or that new hybrid.
2 days ago, I bought the 3.5 Ecoboost, 2020 Lariat w/ the 501a pack, w/ 20k. You would think it's brand new and it can haul ass!!!
I own a superduty with the 6.7 and the 3.5 ecoboost. I call the ecoboost my mini diesel as it has a very similar feel and tows similar.
I only have a 5.4 u dammm show off naw just kidding wit cha but i love 5.0 motors just cant see myself buying a ecoboost in a truck or suv ill stick with my 98 eb 5.4 looking for a excursion actually
@@kingogreen4609 I love V8's but the eco just had better towing numbers. ;)
@@tufelhunden5795 but if you tow everyday why not just get a diesel? I don’t see advantage otherwise. I have both . Drive both 3.5 gets about 18.9Mpg. 5.0 16.9.
@@sticks7971 I bought the ecoboost for a travel trailer and then we decided we would prefer a 5th wheel, which is why I bought the diesel. If I towed everyday for work or was full time RV'ing I would have purchased the diesel to begin with because as you pointed out it's the better setup for towing everyday.
Great video! After 10 months of researching all the trucks, I finally bought the 2017 F-150 3.5 ecoboost. I am not into the heavy sound of a V8 like I would have if I was in my 20's. I pull a travel trailer and I am very happy with my truck's performance. Again, you have done a great engine comparison and torque analysis.
Those cold sweats and vivid dreams are a serious side effect I had as well. It’s really your rem sleep cycles restoring and your finally able to fully process your thoughts,feeling, emotions.
I have the 3.5 ecoboost and you really give a good review of the truck. I still prefer the ecoboost. If I ride around 60 mph I can get 24/25 mpg. You just have to maintain the engine more than 5.
And hope you don’t get into the cost of replacing turbo
I have a '12 Ecoboost. Fuel economy seems to have dropped after the 60k mile sevice in which pliugs and wires are changed out. When the truck was newish, I drove some 100 miles keeping it under 55. Got 28 mpg. At 70 mph empty, 19 mpg. Around town, I'd get 16 to 17 tank after tank. Now, 15 or less around town.
Towing a 25 ft teavel trailer, 70 mph only 8 mpg. If I keep it under 60, 11 to 12. Drives Wifey crazy "poking along" at 60 but, I like to enjoy the trip and not beat up the horses...
@@oldhardrock2542 the techs ripped your truck harder then you and blew your rings out.
Since 2014 I have owned two 5.0, two 3.5 , and one 3.5 HO. the 5.0 with a ten speed is my number one choice for towing boats and light loads.
Great video, I have a 2.7 turbo 150. Amazing torque, horsepower and being 700lbs lighter because of aluminum body it is like driving a sports car and that's no joke. 2.7 has great fuel mileage as well.
The 0-60 for those two turbo engines is actually better than Ferraris when I was growing up. I was shocked the first time I test drove them!
@@Johnsmith46392me too. Dealer told me it was a 2.7 and I about laughed in his face. But then I drove it and I was hooked. little engine rips
I like my 2018 2.7 EB (105k mi.). Sport mode is definitely fun to drive.
@@jodii0380 the only problem is I can't stay out of the turbos. No eco all boost
Really great video. Very informative. I have an ecoboost f150 and I didn't realize it had more lower end torque at lower rpms than 5.0. No problems yet and 134k miles.
How you like it today? Recently bought one at 114,000 miles
@@nextlevelbjj3083 I love my f150. I have 159k now. No engine work yet but replaced 1 turbo and the torque converter. I recently towed my 16 foot trailer with 7,000 pounds of gravel on it and the truck did fine. The truck also has a tall topper with ladders and tools in the side doors of the topper.
This guys video so good man. He didn't have a lot of dead spots and he got to the information fast.
He's tha ish good review
2014 F150 5.0L no issues. 2018 F150 3.5L had turbo issues and threw codes. Sold for 2020 F350 7.3L which has been flawless. Naturally aspirated all the way for me.
I'm on my second F150. Started with a normally aspirated v6 work truck. It was fine, no problems. I traded for a 2.7L ecoboost, which is a lot more responsive and more fun to drive. I get 21.5 mpg and use it as my every day driver. Time will tell how reliable the 2.7L is but I really like the engine and am willing to take a chance on it.
In all honesty, the 2.7L EcoBoost is one of the best designed engines of all time. Especially after they added the dual injectors to it... it now gets the same performance as the previous 5.4L but with double the mpg. I have a 3.5L Expedition that is my daily/work rig and get 15 mpg no matter what.
graphite block is an awesome piece of machinery
My 2018 f150 2.7 now 73k. Still going strong. I tow a 19ft travel trailer 3-5 times a year.
I’m in the market for a newer f150 and this video is exactly what I was looking for! Thank you for talking the time to compare the 5.0 and the 3.5!!!
What are gonna go with? 3.5 or 5.0
I'm on my fourth F-150, I renew every 3 years. (Former Jeep Grand Cherokee guy) I've had the 5.0, the 3.5 and now currently the 2.7 engines. I watched this video simply out of curiosity and his assessment is really accurate compared to my own personal experience. I just wanted to throw that out there in case anyone had any doubts as to his accuracy or veracity. I know how us guys can get regarding auto brand loyalty lol.
How do you like the 2.7 vs the 3.5?
@Ron Owensby The 3.5 is the better engine across the board but the 2.7 is certainly no slouch! It's what I'm driving now. I don't tow much but I do haul bed loads from Home Depot and whatnot on occasion. I've never had any problems whatsoever but I basically use my truck as a big car. I hauled my bike out west and it hardly touched the milage. I drag with the young guys every now and again for fun and to tell them that they barely beat a 2.7 six cylinder lol! It'll humble them a bit.
Okay it's settled, the V8 with the super charger.
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I got a 2012 5.0 GT. 2.8L Kenne Bell. Good fucking times. Still running strong at 165k.
@@bgpurser I'm rolling with a '16 Chevy Silvy 6.2 Edelbrock 2.3L supercharger. I put it on at 88K, now have 147K. Bought the truck new. 6.2's are outstanding motors stock. Did go from 18-19mpg avg to 16-17mpg avg. AFM deleted on both of my mpg scenario's mentioned. Also, towing an '18 Sea Ray SLX 280 (trailer & boat) weigh in at 9,000lb's. Get 9-10mpg's. And, I smoke 3.5 ecoboosts 🤣
How about a pro charger?
I LOVE this choice
i had a 2014 xtr 5.0 L and i've been really happy on my second winter in xlt 302A package 2018 with 2.7 eco boost
Great video. I've owned a 2013 f150 5.0, 2019 F250 Powerstroke, and now the 2021 Powerboost. The Powerboost hybrid is my favorite engine so far.
Why did you downsize?
I chose the 5.0 for my 2014 f-150 fx4. i was buying used in the 100k-130k mile range and i felt like if the previous owner wasn’t as religious about changing the oil as i am, the 5.0 was probably going to chance of not having as much of an impact as the 3.5. i tow a 4-5 k lbs snowmobile trailer at sea level and the 5.0 has more than enough power for that load.
Don’t forget: your rear-end gearing has a huge impact on how well your engine actually puts down the power. That being said; coyote V8 in my F-150 brother.
11 years on my ecoboost and have not had an issue. No question it will be in my next truck as well.
I have had F150 3.5L for work since 2012 and they have all been great. My personal vehicle now is an 18' Lariat Crew 3.5L 4wd with some mods and tuned. It's fast, tows exceptionally and handles well with 285/55/20's and 2" rear lower kit. 14.8mpg and I have a heavy foot. I'll hook my truck to a NA Coyote any day and pull away. Priors were a 13' X5M and a 15' Silverado LT 5.3L. My current F150 is the best yet.
I have a 2019 5.0L I came out of colorado with a 4cyl. Had to drive that smaller truck for a couple years for commute. Always had v8 trucks, so when I was ready to get back into a full size truck I just really wanted a v8. When my lease is up I would consider an ecoboost for sure. Just love that V8 sound. Also, good review and information, you put alot research and information in the video!
I’ve got a 2021 3.5, great truck with 80,000klm.
I’m moving up from the Lariat to platinum in the spring, love the engine, lots of get up and go. I tow a lot but all under 3000lbs.
I service everything myself, use Amsoil and change at 3,000.
I owned a 2013 platinum 3.5 eco boost 6 speed and put 202k miles on it. I really Loved the truck and engine. Traded it in for a 2020 5.0 10 speed lariat. The main difference I’ve noticed is the 3.5 had a lot more power down low and the 5.0 has more power in upper rpm’s. However the 10 speed is loud and sounds like a golf cart. The 5.0 sounds like a diesel after a long drive.
Excellent job breaking down key decision points, I just went through this process myself on these engine options. I'm a turbo guy from waay back, that low end torque is great. My biggest benefits are that torque especially for towing and putting a smile on my face when needed. The 2017 Gen 2 update and 10 speed trans a plus also. Maintenance doesn't bother me I'm happy to do it, frequent synthetic oil changes are key. I do love the Coyote, but couldn't resist the EB's torque charms. Nice video, very informative.
I had a 3.5 eco bust with 7,000 lb trailer. I started having overheating early in a 3 week trip. I found that staying out of boost kept the overheating under control. (My gas mileage was 5% better overall) When I got home I took the truck to dealer who spent 4 days looking for problem. They could not find a problem.
Starting from a stop, accelerating to 55 mph on a 1 or 2 % grade would cause overheating.
I was referred to an independent shop who accurately diagnosed the problem in 5 minutes. The air flow through the radiator was blocked by dirt & weeds.
Later that summer I was on a 6% grade, 7,000 lb trailer, temp of 114 deg, cruise on 55 mph, the engine overheated after 4 or 5 miles. I slowed to 50 mph and the temp went down.
Unless your buying new or low mileage, always go with the 5.0. super easy to maintain on your own and far more reliable. I have 160k miles on my 2013 f150 and all I've had to do is maintain it.
Great point!
I saved up for a long time and bought my first F-150, a used 2015. I did my research and insisted on a Supercab XLT, 2wd w/locking diff & the V8. I had to travel out of state to find this. Very happy with my purchase. That engine sounds just glorious!
One of my favorite things to read is that someone says they did their research but they bought a Ford truck anyway. If you did research you wouldn't have bought the Ford
@@ubeuonly well I sure as fuck won't spend my money on GM or Chrysler.
@@jamescourier1545 if you drove a ram you'd understand. Number one a reliability tied with tundra for 2021 and 2020. Fortunately not everyone wants a construction worker square truck. But your Fanboy mentality is typical of people who have never driven anything but
@@ubeuonly Fiat Junk!
Love my 19 Platinum, 3.5L.
Thanks. I'm currently driving a 2014 F-150 V-8 and have been considering the EcoBoost in my next truck. Your straightforward info answered a lot of questions.
Don't do it
If you tow much at all, don’t do it. If it’s a car for you, then maybe ok if you keep it serviced very well. Do NOT go far on the oil changes. Good friend of mine is a trained career Ford mechanic. 36 years. For the record, majority of the experienced Ford mechanics pick the 5.0L for a long term truck.
Excellent review with credible experience. I am 80 and have a personal preference for the V8,. Why ? Because that is what i have been driving for 65 years in a multitude of cars and trucks . Your review is the best I have ever seen or heard in all of those years. I am never too old to learn from those who have real world experience. I will buy another Ford F-150 V8 with confidence. Thank you
I’ve owned both as well 3.5 eco boost is way better for towing. I currently have a 15 f150 with 3.5 136k miles no issues
I have a 2015 Transit Van with Ecoboost, 80k. Needed Manifold bolts
2017 F150 ecoboost 74k. Needed Manifold bolts.
2015 F150 5.0 115k. NO MANIFOLD BOLT issue.
@@damontroch6305 are manifold bolts a costly and common to have to replace on these ecoboost engines?
I got the powerboost a couple months ago after driving the 5.4L triton V8 for twenty years and I couldn't be happier!
I don't know much about trucks, but tow a 4,600 pound camper. We are in the market as we own a 2007 Tahoe . We also had a much smaller trailer and my poor truck tows Utah mountains. Thank you for helping me understand the difference!!!!!!
very informative, i have 2013 5.0, love the growl, only tow about 7-8 times a year so i think i stick with 5.0
Good plan
I ve had the 2.7 and the 3.5 And now a powerstroke 6.7 . Everything is a trade off. I was very impressed with the 2.7 loved that truck. My 3.5 felt strong pulling my travel trailer too strong for the truck. What i mean is i had too much trailer for truck it is 7k 28 footer. 3.5 would pull it at 70 pretty easy but any wind at all and i was white knuckling. At 20k miles my ecoboost blew the #3 piston skirt. Went to a super duty with lemon law and got a mighty Powerstroke. Rides like a wagon compared to my 150. Can pull same trailer with infinitely more confidence but i get same economy pulling that load with my diesel as i did with the ecoboost. They all make me miss my tundra. Great video. I hear ya on the Godzilla. I may look there next. Diesels are fine but to your pount the looming big bills over your head after warranty are a concern.
I have owned at least one of every domestic brand and drive all domestic brands in many trim packages, my personal truck now is a tundra and you are right, the tundra is the total package truck, towing good 4 wheel drive and comfort minus all the fancy tech.
My work uses 3.5 ecoboost trucks for superintendents and managers. They have ran several well beyond 200k with no real major issues. It’s a big reason why I bought one and got a great deal on a leased fleet f150 with all the records on it and don’t have a single regret.
The 3.7L Cyclone is pretty dope. Sounds nice, naturally aspirated and reliable/ easy to work on.
yeah really dope
Great video, my man. You did your research. I had a 2017 Silverado with the 5.3 and after I test drove a 2017 3.5 Ecoboost, I fell in love and never looked back. I made a few basic mods so far (more to come) and this truck is a blast to drive. I don’t tow anything, but that torque and turbo noise is hard to deny.
I have owned both also and I love my V-8 more especially with the exhaust I have on it. And I don’t have to worry about turbo failure
I was really impressed with your knowledge of towing. I don't towing much, my full sized motor cycles every now and again, but other than that i don't tow. im interested in the differences between the 5.0 and the 3.5. I've had the 5.0 in a 2012 F-150 and i was very happy with it. I bought it new and i only put 66.000 miles on it. l loved all the options on it. It was an XLT model, but I wanted to test drive some of the other engines. Ford has a lot of options now, something they didn't have 10 years ago. When I drove the 3.5 I was blown away. Long story short I bought the Lariat with a 2021 Lariat with the 3.5 eco boost engine and this car drives so much better than my last truck. Plus it seems to have more power as well. I'm happy that I traded up. You do an incredible job of explaining all that you did and I'm happy that I found your site, Thank you.
Confirmation bias at its finest
I have the 2021 F150 super cab with the 2.7 ecoboost. 35k miles already on it lifetime mpg sits at 25.4 currently including some 500 miles towing boats. I use Mobil 1 or Penzoil full synthetic and change every 5k miles myself. Great truck so far. That’s an oil change every 2-3 months. In the next 2 months I will get the bolt euv and garage the truck for truck needs.
Check this video on the 2.7 ecoboost teardown. th-cam.com/video/xZJicuObVDY/w-d-xo.html Also, I believe there are a lot of recalls on the Chevy EV.
My son bought a 2015 eco boost with 164305 miles on it. We’ve towed a trailer and driven about 1500 miles and it’s running good. He bought it from the original owner who did all the maintenances and used full synthetic oil. He really likes it.
Yes both 5.0 and 3.5 eco are good choices i love the rumble of the v8 and the fuel milage but the 3.5 pulls like a diesel a smaller one of course. But it pulls if I could afford both I would have one of each
You really got to make sure you have the right axle ratio matched to the load you intend to tow.
The 2.7 with the all aluminum body is a great marriage with 325 Hp, I love my 2015 2.7 Turbo, Good job Ford.
I also love my truck. The leaky oil pan sucks. I am putting the second one on at 182,000 miles. My plan is to replace timing chains at 300,000, then replace the engine and tranny at 500,000. The price of new trucks makes this an easy decision to make. By the way, I tow 10,000 lbs frequently with plenty of power to spare.
12:05 I have a 2016 F150 2.7 ecoboost with 75k miles. I’m not having a problem with carbon on my valves.
My truck has 90k miles now and I still have not had a problem with on my valves.
I also used HP Tuner to raise my top speed to 120 mph.
Great video. I have intimate knowledge of these engines. I test them... for Ford. So I would like to add a couple of things to hopefully add more insight to your great review. First, by adding PFI you can reduce the flow rate of you DI injector. The PFI will allow you to still reach the desired AFR at high power. Downsizing the DI injector will then allow you to run smaller/fewer holes on the injector. Given the same FRP, the fuel is better atomized. Improving its efficiency and reducing emission. This applies also to cold start emissions, as the better atomization, the less fuel lost to deposits and to the oil. A side benefit it that the fuel in the intake will assist in “cleaning” the valves and seats. There is not an extra “explosion”. Secondly, while I agree that fuel economy difference are marginal to the consume, what you described was roughly a 20% and 10% improvement with the 3.5L EcoBoost. In a world that we are looking for a fraction of a percent, that is huge! I appreciate you touching on that at the end and I agree, there are A LOT of factors that play into how close the fuel economy can be. Lastly, the term EcoBoost is self explanitory and you touch on it yourself.... more torque with less(or same) fuel economy. So it is not a marketing gimmick, although Ford has used it as a strong marketing point. Keep up the great work!
so which do you feel is a more reliable motor, the 3.5 or 5.0 on the 2021?
@@seandonnelly6401 They are both proven engines. I drive a 2012 with the 3.5. I just ordered a 2021 with a 3.5. I really like it and the potential to save gas is better for my driving…. Even with 120k miles I have no issues turning my 2012 over to my son since he wants a truck now…. and the whole EcoBoost program started in my department…. So I may be biased.
Love my 2015 3.5 ecoboost. Synthetic oil changes, just update suspension 140,000 miles love it.
Great review. I chose the 3.5 eco. Can’t wait to get the new one. My 2013 ecoboost is still kicking it and I love it
I definitely thought vented seats and a heated steering wheel was for the posh people but then they came in my lariat and I gotta say I would have a pretty hard time giving them up. Haha. Don’t know how nice they are until you use them.
My heated seats are great. Takes some getting used to, they will roast your ass.
Vented seats...esp in the SW desert
I was the same way until my wife got a well equipped Sedona that has heat and cooled seats. The older I get, the more I appreciate this sort of thing.
I have a 2011 F150 lariat with the 3.5 ecoboost and have 297,000 miles on it and still going strong and before anyone says “yeah but that’s probably not towing anything” I have towed a 20,000 pound storage container with it from Santa Barbara, CA to Reno, NV no problem plus I constantly tow our 25’ cabin cruiser, 20’ dump trailer and more. The 3.5 is extremely reliable when you take care of it just like anything else.
Friend, I would highly recommend you consider a 3/4 ton with the 7.3 liter. Life changing for towing for lots of reasons. First and foremost is payload. Close to double the 1/2 ton. Secondly you mention torque a lot. That 7.3 liter has 400 lb-ft at 1500 rpm and you will feel it immediately. Third is stability. This is linked to payload of course, but it’s worth a mention. I personally feel the ride doesn’t suffer that much either. The last thing I would put on the list is you can still get all the extras the 1/2 ton has for not a lot more in price.
well said
Or buy an 04 5.9 Cummins with 510lbs of torque at 1500 rpm and actually have speed