I have a retired friend who lives in the northeast. A few times a year, he flies to Arizona, buys a rust-free '90s pick-up and drives it back. They always sell within days for enough to cover the cost of the trip and a tidy profit.
Modern trucks aren’t designed for people who need trucks. They’re for people who need cars but want to feel like they have the utility of a truck despite them never needing said utility.
It's weird growing up with a 70's pickup that you just drive through washes, over curbs, been in multiple accidents with basically zero damage, you park by hitting walls/dumpsters, and toss literal tons of concrete and debris in the back and then seeing people in newer trucks with their giant $3000 rims and rubber band tires freaking out about fingerprints or dirty shoes. Trucks should be hammers, not Ferraris.
I feel like we’ll argue over the “who needs a truck.” I mean I don’t need one for work but I haul my fourwheeler and help buddies move with it. It just comes in handy. Trucks are for everyone. Can’t gate keep a pickup
The new top luxury Ram is like 92k. I bought a 3 yr old truck myself and i thought it was too expensive. The automotive sector has become WAY too expensive. My girls car is still under warranty. They just did pinion seal and timing chain cover gasket under warranty. $3300 job. And they wanted 1000 for rear only brake job that i ended up doing with no lift in a hr. With oem parts i saved her 700. U either have a old car u fix yourself easily. Or a car under warranty . Shop prices will bankrupt you. And these 100k daily driver trucks are insane as well
Modern trucks are a lot like the current state of county music these days. Fake, plastic, eye-catching city dwelling “outdoors ready” wheels, further driven by useless electronics while having a “try-hard” aesthetic of a vehicle that used to be rugged, reliable tough and powerful.
Somewhere along the line, it was decided trucks needed to perform like sports cars and feel like luxury vehicles. They became less focused of being work horses and more focused on being daily drivers no one can afford
Or yuppies and "fake country", people who want to look like, "rugged Americans", or genuine tradesmen. My employer drives a $100,000+ pick-up truck. He hardly ever uses the bed to transport anything, he puts it in the "extended cab".
I blame over reliance on chips in cars and complex computing. Increases cost of production. So they cut costs elsewhere. For example Toyota is using more plastic parts in their engines now. Reducing reliability. The days of a 2014 Tundra that can last 1 million miles if properly taken care of are over. Also fuel efficiency and turbo boost engines have a draw back. Yes you get better mileage. But the second you have to tow something those engines have to work extra hard reducing their fuel efficiency anyway LMAO
You are absolutely right. This is why I'm more comfortable driving trucks between the 90s and the early 2000s since they lasted for years without issue with good maintenance. Now today I saw a 2022 Ford f-150 and I felt like I was inside a Lexus.
@@nicobenji0248 Too much tech, not enough practicality. But they say all the high-tech is what consumers want, but I don't believe that, and I'm not buying it. (pun intended.)
"if You actually want to impress the neighbor, go get an early 90s F-150" Man that is so true. I bought a Ranger 86 and I've been having offers up and down. Old Cars had personality, something we lack today.
i have 2 classic trucks a 93 Yukon 2 door and a 1990 suburban (they're trucks i will argue till i die, just not pickup trucks) the number of old guys I've had come up to me and tell me about how they had one back in the day or how they used to beat the piss out of their old squarebody shocks me. Guys offering me money that's more than what i make in 4 months for a truck that was made 35 years ago is crazy. They ask me a price and i always tellem "ask my kids when i die, they'll still be running"
I absolutely disagree with this statement. The chicken tax forced manufacturers to build trucks in the United States and not over seas and it protected American manufacturing in jobs. I am old enough to remember the imports coming here and I also remember how they used to skirt around the so-called chicken tax by installing the bed here... The North American Free trade agreement, California Air resource board the national highway traffic safety administration and of course the EPA are the worst things to happen to the American vehicle market as a whole. All of those things started off as good ideas and every one of them have forced the market in unnatural directions.
Might as well do away with the chicken tax, Ford and GM our going broke fast so after they are gone Japan will no longer need to subsidize their trucks and we’ll see the real cost of those foreign brands, plus we’ll probably be forced to buy tiny KEI trucks for the few that have the money to buy them, the current administration has destroyed the economy, don’t mean to get political but it’s true.
Well no it did not actually protect the Auto industry what it was was temporary Band-Aid as a means of trying to slow down imports but of course the loophole was the import company could build a factory here employee Americans and then talk about how it's made in America and they avoided the tariffs. You're basically did the same thing and it didn't work and it didn't work here either then of course you ended up with a situation to where they didn't actually have to build the vehicle fully assembled out of the country what they could do is manufacture literally every part of the vehicle outside of the country and then import those parts back in and then assembled which is basically our Auto industry today and they were doing this even before NAFTA so NAFTA definitely did not help but it was not the end of all that started this. So it was a Band-Aid to basically make people think that always protecting American industry when in reality it did nothing for American industry it basically just forced the competitors to build factories here and oh by the way still take over the market because what we were building sucked. I do agree with you on the EPA the EPA can totally fuck off and die because the EPA has literally screwed up not just the Auto industry but a lot of our industry which of course is provided extra justification for a lot of our manufacturing to scoot out of the nation. Are gutless politicians did nothing to actually look out for American industry if they really wanted to do that then they buy now should have had policies that talks about how in order to be considered an American company to receive tax breaks and senatives and or to receive a certain tax percentage that you have to maintain and have 98% of your manufacturing capacity in this country that you have to have at least 98% of your business here in terms of your parts manufacturing and your assembly and they have never introduced that law yeah the reason being is because well you know there's a lot of ass wipes in the world of politics that yeah they're getting kickbacks if anything they're getting corporate sponsorships for their campaigns. I mean we could fix this in two seconds only we were to clamp down and say no you have to have 98% of your manufacturing base here in order to be considered an American company and basically if you refute then guess what you're going to do you're going to pay 70% more taxes and every one of your cars will be treated as if it's a foreign made vehicle and there will be a domestic tariff on each car. And then basically when the company collapses well so what had a bankruptcy court we'll just find an investor and or a series of investors to take it over and they really will set it up that they'll have 90% of their manufactured base year it's really that simple. That set I will say that something to that effect would have worked a lot better 25 to 30 years ago I will say that today it would be difficult to get that off the ground it can be done but of course there's going to be painful and that's most the reason why the politicians won't touch it they just say it's up to the free market and then they let them do whatever the hell they want to do meanwhile they give them huge amounts of tax incentives as well as basically even money and they fire up a couple of token factories but in reality they don't manufacture shit they assemble things out of foreign manufactured parts.
Well most people yes and that I believe is the problem with the trucks today see even back in the late 70s early 80s to car companies had a cash pile of research that they conduct their research was largely based on SUVs but it did actually cover some trucks and they found that as City people started to buy pickup trucks they bought them largely because back then they were a cheap alternative to nobody really wanted a truck but the sales mysteriously picked up and they found out the reason people were buying them was because they were cheap alternative to cars and you know through the years they have compiled data that basically suggests well it outright says that the vast majority of those trucks will never really pull or haul anything of any real significance they will never really see any off-road use or very little much like the SUV like the Jeep people in the city were buying Jeeps left and right but most of the time those jeeps and never saw off road use they've come to the same conclusion about pickup trucks. So the moral of my story here is simply it was only a matter of time before the manufacturers would build these things to the scale of that economy in other words yes it technically has four wheel drive but there's limitation because it's not exactly built to the specifications of having the shit beat out of it on a farm like it's predecessors. It's literally a van with a truck bed. And you can think City people for ruining pickup trucks the minute the soccer moms got a hold of the damn things and the $100,000 man got a hold of a pickup truck and decided he didn't want to scratch the truck bed but he's going to pull everything behind it in a trailer and he only really wants the truck is some sort of status symbol then well welcome to high price that are built to a scale of economy from the manufacturer's standpoint and then of course this means the performance goes down the tubes that's exactly what happened. And of course to still razzle and dazzle everybody into buying the damn thing well they put a cell phone in the dash and talked about how you can monitor all this useless shit that you probably don't care about.
I live on a dirt road in the mountains at 5000’ elevation. My 1980 bronco with a 10.2:1 stroked 331/302 with forged mahle pistons, scat rotating assembly, brand new everything-driveline-strange 9” rear LSD front/back, carpet, paint, 4 speed granny low top loader, manual t case, new 32 gallon tanks, hei dizzy, aluminum heads, 1-5/8 mid length ceramic coated headers, does some over landing but it was built to take my wife and I (now also my baby girl) to Alaska and back . Bucket list 6 week adventure. Hoping to go in 6-7 years when our baby is old enough to remember, core memories…
@@JuanCarlos-vk6cb I get it. I like trucks too but theres a difference between doing something that feels nice for yourself like eating a donut and doing something that feels nice for yourself that also cripples you financially, is basically because of corporate brainwashing & messes up everything around you forcing governments civil designers to have to expand pavement everywhere to accomodate for everyone driving around a 1 ton.
@@BrandonJackson-c6b Thats totally fine boss. I like trucks too. But you can't stop us from making fun of you for daily driving a 1-ton with a ghost trailor back and forth between work and home every day. Also don't complain about gas prices if youre deciding to burn more fuel just to feel cool.
The US government: “pop-up headlights are dangerous for pedestrians!” Also the US government: “if the hood isn’t 5 ft off the ground you can’t sell it in this country”
I have a 2023 GMC Sierra work truck. I completely ran over one of those huge orange drums at a road construction site, didn't see it AT ALL. Those things are as tall as a 10-year-old. It's a joke. And it's bone stock $45k base model, not even lifted or anything.
I work at a Ford dealer, I drive new F150's and Super Duties daily. Want to know what I just bought? A 97' GMC K1500 with 213,000 miles on it and honestly I would NOT trade it for ANY new truck on our lot. They just don't do it for me, too much tech, too many gimmicky features that break and I would never use. Not to mention how cheap they feel for how overpriced they are. I don't need lane keep assist, I don't need a massive screen. I don't need 80 different camera's. I don't need a truck that parks/drives itself or a 5 way opening tailgate with a "man step". I just need one that is reliable, that I can haul stuff around with. That's it. Until then (I'm not holding my breath) I'm just gonna buy and fix up the old stuff.
i have a 2020 ranger and i do think that it is a very decent machine, but I also love 90s rangers and have had several. And although I do love the simplicity of the 90s machines the new ranger is pretty great, plenty of power to tow, 4wd, locking diffs, but gets 27 highway mpg, and nothing is terribly complicated on it.
Well I will say that the old Ford rangers were decent trucks and a lot of those are actually still functioning to this day I mean it's interesting because in the 90s I remember everybody would sort of insult what was news in right they would talk about how things were better in the 80s or the 70s or some shit people still do that but what's funny is now everybody's talking about how they were better in the 90s than they are today even though I can remember it's 90s people to think so. I guess it kind of harkens back to the old saying if you never know what you got until it's gone. And that's very true when it comes to the small miniature trucks you can't really get those anymore and there is some importing of the foreign jobs but a lot of States deemed those too small to be safely recommended for the road which is fucking stupid because then they're going to let people drive around in a dumb ass smart car. And of course recently I've seen a few rangers drive around via the newer ones and I thought this damn things are basically the size of what an F-150 used to be I own an F-150 a 2004 that basically parents' laws gave us and I dropped 3,500 and I can say that the new ranger is damn near the size of it in fact the ranger is larger than a 90s Ford f150 it's crazy.
I got an 07 ranger it's amazing,it does what it needs to do. I'm the truck person in my family so I'm always on call. I like that I can use it a lot and not care much.
Went to a car show, sat on all the trucks, got to the parking lot and got back in my 2002 Silverado. I was SHOCKED by the difference in VISIBILITY! RIDICULOUS!
I agree completely, our 2012 Chevy pickup has HORRIBLE blind spots whenever you try to look behind you...to the point where it's dangerous...compared to our 2002 Chevy that you can see EASILY all the way around...so surprised that more people haven't noticed this and how dangerous it actually is
I have an 03 Sierra 2500 HD. And an 04 F350. SLE and XLT packages. Those trucks are perfect. Modern but basic at the same time. Not too big either just the right size for a truck. Those new trucks the hood comes up to my neck practically and I am 6 foot tall.
Yes. I refuse to take any blame as a consumer. I have never wanted a bigger more expensive car. In fact, the best car I owned was a Hyundai Accent 5 speed I bought for $1,800. 42 miles per gallon, and my girlfriend could push it out if it got stuck in a snowdrift.or something... I'll never own a new car, and I will ride my tiny motorcycle (Kawasaki Z125) until the snow starts sticking to the road.
@@gahbah274 This is why the above poster should just make a go-cart with 3 wheels. Things like this already exist with 1 wheel in the back. I forgot what they were called though.
I love these truck ads that show the truck off-roading in the desert, climbing a mountain, or racing through the woods. When we all know the tire sensors would break, suspension would be ruined, the check engine and transmission lights would come on, and the airbags would probably deploy because the truck can’t handle actual off-roading 😂
I don’t know, I used to off-road my 21 half ton Sierra pretty hard here in the Rockies, while it wasn’t the best ride comfort, it didn’t ever break down on me. I’ve since upgraded the suspension and tires, but in stock form it did just fine.
@@bigfoottamer Do you think when the 80k truck is old that it would ever be used for off roading or do you think that by then there will be so many electrical gremlins that it won't be worth the time to fix anymore
@@Jake-mv7yo maybe, by the time it gets old someone will have figured out how to rip the shitty electronics out and make it more reliable, if not then no
Worst thing to see --- full pick up or suv without a hitch... Like, wtf!?!? Why get them then?? These suburban moms I've seen are the worst with those.
For large SUVs; most people don’t tow with them. Three row SUVs are family haulers. For large trucks: even among the audience who uses a truck for truck stuff, the vast majority doesn’t tow, just uses the bed. Lumber, tools, gravel, dirt, pallets of tile, heavy machinery, etc, all goes in the bed with no need for a trailer.
I hate modern trucks because they're not serviceable in the field. Snap a fan belt? Off the the dealer to disassemble the FRONT END! "That'll be $1,250 sir!"
I hear cars are being written off over minor faults that parts suppliers cannot supply (usually electronic) parts for. I guess this "chip shortage" is gonna be around for a few decades....
Lol .. there's not even reason to carry tools or spares these days .. because they're not going to help on the roadside. Everything is a tow. I've had a '68 Fargo 3-on-the-tree, an '81 F-100, a '78 Chevy. still have a '68 Mercury 3/4 ton, (240, 4 speed) and an '84 GMC (292/TH-400) .. Every one was or still is bomb proof, and although I admit they "broke" more than my daily .. (maybe not a shock with odo's ranging from 300-900,000) But not one ever stranded me. You could always patch or limp them home. Alternator dies in my '84 .. it'll go 35 miles on the battery. My '07 won't make the next offramp. I carry points and a condenser in my '68.I've done some hairy ass shit the last 50 years .. like gravity fed a Rochester monojet with a shat fuel pump, and yup - I carry a spare belt in all my old junk. I can swap it faster than the zombies can swarm. And overall serviceability? Well you sound like an angry old asshole like myself .. so you may recall oil bath filters? Should see the look on peoples faces when I tell them the truck still has the filter installed April 18th, 1968. Oh yes, and my headlamps are $7. The towing hosssy-powah advert hype has me shaking my head as well. I won't claim to be able to out tugl a 7.3 Powerstroke or 5.9 Cummins with 240 cubic inches in a '68 .. but the girl does her job .. and in the last 54 years did (originally concrete and drain, then) farm duty hauling hay and steers. Who the hell needs all that stupid power to go to the carwash and commute? And she'll be around when I'm dead I suspect .. Hopefully to so someone who will love and preserve rather than chop, slam, and put stupid wheels on it. but I digress. Guy I know just bought a Dodge worth twice what I once paid for a two storey house. I made fun of him and asked if there were integrated sex toys in the seats. Of course no one knows the future .. but I wonder how many '22's will still be on the road in 2072?
@@JimTheZombieHunter 2022 - 2024s won't still be on the road after 12 - 15 years after all the electronic doodads and gadgetry fail and wear out. The truck will be inoperable and not run, drive or shift anymore. You don't need to go back to 1968 to have good no frills reliability. The sweet spot and approx "cutoff" is somewhere prior to about 2006 or 2007. That's when they really started piling on the electronic junk and unnecessary gadgets. In fact mid 90s to around 2002/03 is the best of the best. All the modern technology you need without anything you don't.....safety equipment, EFI, 4-wheel disc brakes , overdrive, oil/trans coolers, transmission shift levers rather than electronic buttons that fail etc etc etc.
No, they currently usually cost more than a house these days. "They" will adjust or nobody will buy them anymore. Need to drop the prices $25,000 - $30,000 less. How do you do that? Take off all the unnecessary modern inventions and doodads. A pickup truck shouldn't cost $60,000+....... 60k....haha....many are pushing $80,000 these days.
I remember a few years ago I was shoveling gravel out of the bed of my 1995 Dodge Dakota and my neighbor came by (who had a new Tundra) and said to me "man, I should get a truck like that too". I responded by asking "a truck like what?" to which he said "one that I would actually use". I wouldn't want to shovel gravel out of a new $70k truck either.
My wife spotted a '95 F250 on Craigslist 8 years ago this month. We bought it with 160K miles, ext cab, long bed, 4x4, 7.3 liter Powerstroke, very clean PLUS Wing windows. It's now been valued at 3-4x what we've got into it, pulls our 31ft travel trailer, and gets all kinds of praise. At the gas station last year, i overheard 2 different owners of brand new trucks commisserating on the MULTIPLE Recalls they each were dealing with. I like the pre-2010 for another reason...no DEF.
YES to NO DEF! 2005 Silverado 3500 D-max 375k, just rebuilt and bulletproofed Allison trans MYSELF for $1,200 TOTAL parts! I remember vividly when we'd punk new younger guys to "check the EXHAUST FLUID"...AS A JOKE because it was so RIDICULOUS !
I love the 90s F250s. That being said, having owned a 2000 F250 PSD that I drove to 265k miles, I would never trade my 2016 F250 for it. Drives better, pulls better, turns better, quieter. In fact, other than putting DEF in, there are 0 things liked better about my 2000 model. The 90s trucks are a novelty, but functionally its not even close to the newer trucks.
I can attest to the blind spot of today's trucks being dangerous. My step-mother is currently in the hospital in rehab recovering from being hit by a pick-up truck making a turn while she was in a pedistrian crossing. She is a tiny Asian woman and the driver swore he just did not see her and was devastated that he had hit her. She suffered swelling of her brain, broken bones and is in her 80's, her memory is now shot, both long term and short term. She is slowly recovering, but who knows how much she has lost or will recover. Even before pick-up started bloating out I had a dislike for those that drove, mainly because my CB650 died underneath the front end of an early 90's F-150 that ran a red light, I ended up in the middle of the road with my leg tucked under my arse in a most unnatural position and looking forward to three years of rehab and recovery. Trucks are meant to beasts of labour, not some wankers status symbol.
Of course he couldn't see her. That's my biggest problem with all new vehicles. I rented through Avis and got a brand new Audi. Immediately noticed after I got in that I felt like I couldn't see. The windshield on it was half the size of the one on my 10-year-old Toyota. In fact, I could live with every other deficiency of modern cars, trucks, etc. if they just had bigger windshields and smaller grills.
@@valleyofiron125 Maybe this is what I'm noticing when I get in new trucks. I always thought it was the smaller windshield, but maybe it is the reduction in peripheral vision. I don't know exactly, but something about them feels way off.
93 GMC K-1500 is my DD. I rebuilt it. I put an aftermarket 40-20-40 bench seat with no head rests in the front. Being able to see 360° with very little obstructions might be my favorite feature on my setup.
@@four-eight-zero5627 You know what they say about GMC Trucks right? Body by Fisher, engineered by Miss Take. The K-1500's and F-150's of that time period were true trucks, real work horses and not some jokers vanity ride.
@@gumpyoldbugger6944 😆 Actually there isn't much that I don't like with the engineering. Just small things like the geometry of the sway bar links and holes in the bottom of of the LCAs to reach the nuts on the links. Yes, the early 90s Fords and Chevys are my favorite pickups.
Or Toby Keith (rest in piss) I laughed when one of the truck ads featured in the video showed Toby Keith on the radio Enjoy your soulless pop music with southern accent pretending to be country music while you drive your soulless tank pretending to be a truck
As a self employed landscaper who actually needs a heavier truck to make a living (hauling mulch, dirt, stone, brush, leaves etc.) I'll never understand why a middle class person will blow so much money on a brand new f250 to go to the dump and grab a 2x4 from home depot twice a year. The cost of ownership is really insane.
@@wizard_of_poz4413 multiple surveys have been done on truck owners and most of them admit they rarely use it for its purpose. All these brand new trucks with aggressive lifts and wide stances yet you never see those at construction sights, they never have anything in the bed, they never doing actual work, but you do see em in suburbs, parking lots at groceries stores or in the car pool line. It’s clear as day why people(guys) buy these trucks. So they can look “masculine” and “rugged”. “Look at me, I’m a man, I’m strong im big, im tough” without actually being those things. This video clearly struck a nerve bc your in the comments replying to everyone that criticized your little comfort vehicles
Well at the basics all you really need to do is go to home Depot frequently and or work there and you'll know immediately what he's talking about. Other than that the Auto industry has 40 years of data that basically says the majority of these trucks will ever see any offered use they won't see any real true work applications that would require a much heavier duty frame and suspension as well as other components as standard equipment for the people that do need those items they are welcome to buy the modeler to up and of course that's how they make their money so basically they've used 40 years of data to basically build these things to a scale of economy and gimp performance. Interestingly enough it was in the early 80s that AMC who owned jeep at the time conducted market research to find out exactly what kind of customer is by their Jeep offerings whether it be the truck or the SUV and what they found out was those vehicles ended up in the driveways of middle and upper middle class individuals and even some people much wealthier and they were parked next to Mercedes and they never saw off-road use of any kind these people just wanted to buy the capability because it had the capability but they never really had any real intentions of using it that still goes on with customers today that's exactly why that market research that was done in the early eighties and of course throughout the decade of the eighties by all automakers is still relevant.
Yes in that data is actually 40 plus years old and see themselves conducted this very market research in the early eighties and determined that the majority of their Jeep vehicles whether it be the truck or the SUV never see any off-road use and they're generally not used for work applications at least work applications that would require heavier duty now they offered to have your duty trucks and you would argue that the trucks of yesteryear came relatively standard is heavy duty and when you paid the extra money to have it beefed up more basically what they thought heavy duty back then actually meant something but the standard truck back that was also built to scale of heavy-dutiness that you cannot get as standard anymore and that's because the market research told them they didn't have to build it that way because the vast majority of customers will never ever attempt to use the truck for any of that stuff.
My friend's rivian ran out of juice towing a small trailer last week. Said it had 150 miles of range when we started and left us stranded in 55 miles. My 2006 5-Speed 4.0 V6 Ranger 4X4 saved the day. Towed the trailer back. Then went and rescued the Rivian driver. That Rivian is a marvelous vehicle. But my 06 Ranger is a better truck.
Well electric trucks are basically crap. I mean if you believe the marketing nonsense then yeah they're going to talk about this ranger that but they conduct those tests if they bothered to test it under certain conditions with a certain weight and by the way that wait also includes the driver or any passengers that went along the test rooms so yeah you might be 80 lb lighter than the guys it rode along on the test and that might somehow squeeze a couple more miles out on the other hand the load that you had may have very well been 400 lb over what they towed at the lab and or test track. In other words these vehicles are tested under certain conditions and the bullshit that they plaster everywhere about the range of the vehicle is based on ideal conditions and not necessarily real world use. They need to be more honest and upfront because the long run they're basically destroying their own industry now I don't think that the industry is really feasible at this point now I will say battery technology will get better and you know they probably play with the gearing in the rear end and they could you know tweak a few things and someday they really will have better capability but as of right now they're going to ruin the chances of the better future coming for these vehicles if they continuously post marketing crap everywhere that says they have these huge ranges because people buy these things and then they're massively disappointed. And it leaves a bad taste in their mouth to wear someday even if they actually do get the range up on these things with any real towing capacity nobody's really going to believe and it's just going to be at another Lost cause in the automotive history books so I think that in the long run they would be better off to talk about how under ideal conditions tell everyone what those ideal conditions are and then talk about how that means if you're wanting to pull the trailer with 2 tons of shit in it you're not getting that range I think that they would be better off to be honest even if that means they might lose a couple of sales today they would at least be setting themselves up for some sort of honesty look in the future when the battery technology does improve.
I've owned a few trucks over the years. My 1990 Dodge Dakota was a great truck and even though it has the V6 and would barely do 80mph for a top end, it was awesome hauling stuff and in the snow and mud it went wherever I wanted it to. My first new vehicle was a 1996 Dodge Ram 1500 with the 5.2 (318) and I had it for 7 years and still regret selling it. I had a 2001 Ram 1500 that looked identical to my 1996 with the same engine, but that's where the similarity ended. It felt cheaper, tinny compared to the 1996 and just didn't hold up at all. I had a 1993 GMC 1500 long bed with a 305 V8 in it, had 165,000 and the only reason I got rid of it was because having a single cab pick up and wife and kid wasn't practical. It had the old bench seat, basic radio and the thing just drove and went. I own a 1974 Ford F-100, hasn't been restored, is pretty much all original and the thing starts and drives. It's finally starting to need the original transmission where it will probably have to be replaced. Not bad for 50 and going on 51 years. This year I was hauling wood and skidding logs with it. What's funny too is that my 1974 F-100 had every option at the time, it's a short box 2wd but it was ordered with air conditioning, the Ranger XLT package (back when the Ford midsize truck was the Currier) and a 390 V8 instead of a 302, 351 or 360. Plus it has 3:08 gears so even with the 390 V8 and the automatic (which was an option, the manual was standard) I get about 12-13 MPG with it.
As someone who has owned the luxury trucks, big and small, I have paid thousands per month in payments and insurance. I now drive a 1994 F150 (8 foot bed) that I own outright. And I can work on it myself, it tows, it hauls, it gets 20 MPG (inline 6 manual), but incredibly, it catches so many eyes. People are surprised it’s on the road, and that I built it myself. It came to me one day that it was “cool” when two teenage boys who volunteer at the church asked to ride in it, calling it a “classic”. At first I was taken aback, then I realized, it isn’t like anything they’ve seen on a lot today. A manual transmission? Wing windows? A bench seat? The natural rumble in the cab? As we pulled into a gas station, a man in this new Duramax looked at my truck and said, “Man, I’m jealous”. That’s when I realized the 1990 OBS F150 is the new classic C10.
As a guy who owns 2 of them in good condition, I still don’t get the hype. They’ve never been that appealing to me. I drive my 2013 f250 99% of the time.
@@00700556 I don’t either, sir. I didn’t buy it to “look cool”. It was affordable and reliable. It is perfect for running to get fencing or hauling whatever furniture my wife needs.
Well yeah it's just like with the SUVs what's the city people started to buy them market decided to go in the directions of those people wanted basically I argue that today most pickup trucks or nothing more than fans with a truck bed that they've basically turned them into vans. I mean if you go and look at an old 70s crew cab truck with an 8-ft bed it's a monster it's literally huge but those were largely used by lumberjacks a lot of power companies had a lot of those trucks because they would send the crew of four or five guys out to a field to clear brush to clear trees and whatnot from power lines you know they had a fucking utility that's what those were created now it is the four-door trucks with the tiny truck bed is basically some idiot who does nothing with the truck to show off. And I'll be honest the only reason I have truck and or my wife and I have a truck it's simply because my parents lost our old and could fix it and it had to go to a shop and they relied to about the frame and they didn't want to mess with it they shipped it to us said we don't want it no more so I dumped about 32-3500 in it and got it and it's a wonderful vehicle so it was a matter if we needed a vehicle we didn't pay jack shit for it and I put roughly $3,500 in it and now we have basically a $15,000 truck sitting at the driveway that's the only reason I am because as of right now no I don't really need a truck but it's another vehicle that my wife drive because it has an automatic transmission and where my Camaro is a standard and she can't drive a clutch.
You are blousy ignorant becusse most of us buy them to run businesses and work out of them. The people who say new trucks don’t work are the same ones who don’t work. Mostly old grandpas that are retired. And there’s always been old retired grandpas who buy trucks and keep them nice
CAFE regulations. They have to go through a luxury vehicle loophole or else the democrat laws make it too difficult to sell a truck in any way that makes sense from a business perspective
Part of this is also due to the veneration or desire to "appear" as if you are a "worker" or similar. Pickups have gone from being a more blue-collar or young man's vehicle to being a status symbol for older men. The same has happened with women buying SUVs. Both sexes are prone to marketing gimmicks. Similarly, I contend that pickups, for men, are one of the last vestiges of even faux masculinity in the automotive market. It's impossible to look like a man by pulling up somewhere in a banal, and unvitalistic little coupe or sedan or somesuch. That leaves pickups, or some kind of offroad SUV (Jeeps). I might say the entirety of automotive designs today lack any spirit of speed, power, or vitality, and are now spiritually obese looking, full of comfort features (the user needs to be coddled at all times), and safety obsessed to the point of crippling their intended function. I'm not countersignaling good features, either. I'm fine with my vehicle being reinforced or having seatbelts etc. so I survive a collision or somesuch. But personal vehicles have lost any fire they once had to be reduced to the same dead, uninspired environment much of contemporary life has been struck down to. Too tightly controlled, lacking freedom, and a will to live a certain way.
aye look at the latest yt vid from 'that car care nut' on the new 24 taco trd pro, uff da mae it's bad. Got a gen 3 now myself but maybe the taco peaked with gen 2 sizewise. Before that was a 01 frontier which was a very capable 4X4 machine but way underpowered for a v6. Definitely I'm with no options and no fn screen but I can allow for power windows.
Trucks used to be built to be work horses. Work them hard and put them away wet. Now they're just show ponies. Most trucks today are just form over function.
Well yeah that's true however I can also say that the reason they're made that way today is because of 40 years of data that basically says that most trucks and or SUVs are never going to see any real off-root use that most of those vehicles are not going to be on the farm basically City people started buying them up because at one point they were cheap transportation then pretty soon that customer base wanted a bunch of shit on so basically they've morphed into minivans with truck and 40 years of data has allowed them to do that because they can build these vehicles to a scale of economy that says they don't have to build them super because the mass majority of those trucks are never going to be used in any application that would require it to be what it was 40 years ago. And then of course to cover their ass but the milk a little more money they offer subsequent models up from perhaps the base models that would be more capable so that's how they're getting away with this it basically allowed them to beef up pretty much the same truck and then sell it to you it $30,000 more it's a scam it's literally bullshit.
The growth in size is mostly due to how the EPA changed their fuel economy requirements to be based on width and wheelbase of the truck. The formula is broken and hugely incentivizes making trucks as large as legally possible.
The EPA along with all other unelected bureaucracy’s have no more authority due to the recent Supreme Court ruling on Chevron Deference so maybe things will get better.
Ah, so that's how we got away with putting the 5.2 Predator in the Raptor? Track width rivals dually 1-tons so it's allowed to have the power and emissions of a 10-liter turbodiesel?
I almost bought one recently, but my buddy beat me to the punch for it. 1995 Chevy K1500, 5-speed stick, 5.7L 350. Beat up truck, but still a truck. Something I can actually haul my shit around with. I now have 2 2000 Silverado 1500s that I use for that stuff, and they do me just fine.
Or you went out and got a Lund visor and side steps. Maybe a rollbar. What the hell happened to rollbars anyways? I went looking for one for my old '84 D100 a few years back and all I could find were these cheesy looking light bar mounts that bolted to the bed rails, not down in it.
All the safety features like lane departure assist, automatic stop, and seatbelt beeping are things we have to pay for, but things we never asked for, but they come standard so you have to pay for them. You have no choice. This is what I hate about new vehicles.
Exactly! I wouldn’t mind options if it’s still possible to buy a minimum spec zero option version of the vehicle, as stripped out and barebones as possible. Generally speaking the dealer version of a feature is less useful and worse quality than anything I could install aftermarket, which I’d prefer to be doing.
My dad has a 1989 gmc sierra 1500 for the farm truck. It's completely fine for hauling a slip tank to fill up the tractor in the field, carry tools for when machinery breaks down. I can easily reach over the side of the box to grab a duffel bag or a jerry can. Trucks are so big now that I have to crawl into the bed to grab anything, which again is more difficult because of how tall they are. Trucks have become the exact opposite of what they should be. They are now impractical instead of practical. I hate it. I'd buy something like a 2000 Silverado in a heartbeat. These new truck just hurt.
They now have sidesteps and built in tailgate ladders. My brother just bought a truck that has some weird pop-out sidesteps. On the other hand, my buddy wanted the safety so his wife got a giant F-150 that's never really used as a truck and along with his SUV they barely fit in the garage my sedan has tons of room in. Also, I think most new trucks are using aluminum beds, because in your giant, massive, overweight work vehicle you need to sacrifice functionality and usability for weight reduction. We had to repair our outer wall and threw chunks of concrete and debris from the roof into the back of our old pickup, and loaded it with said concrete until it was as high as the cab roof and then hauled it to the dump. Modern trucks would crumble.
I'm telling you. If some random company decided to produce an 80-90s style compact truck (like an s10) and priced it low with little in tech options, they would have a gold mine and wouldn't be able to make enough of them.
Look up the Toyota Champ. They already make the perfect small truck that would sell for 13-14k brand new here, but our government won't allow it. They even offer it in a 2.4 diesel.
You guys don't get the Hilux right? In south America are the absolute KING. Smaller than the Tacoma, can haul more than the Tacoma and is indestructible even in newer versions. And you can option it without most of the junk tech that you don't need. Even in my country that is literally the most expensive in South America is a good investment cause they hold they value greatly.
Hey man, those gators are actually wicked little machines. Definitely far from a golf cart. Never, would I ever, in my right mind, buy one. But we have them at work, and they are very capable. You're pretty much paying for the John Deere name though, no excuse why they should be more than like $15,000 IMO
Kudos to the commentary! You are spot on. My wheeled experiences range from roller skates to equipment that you can walk under without bumping your head. The vain indulgences will bury us.
Not even just trucks, every car is massive. New civics are way bigger than my old civic. I want a small car, and I mean small, not the smallest the brand offers.
A few first generation Civics came up for sale for around $500 locally around a year ago and I regret not buying one. They needed some work but I'd much rather drive one of those than a new "little" car.
This is such an important conversation The auto industry has gone completely off the rails, and the people need to bandntogether and stand up for ourselves and our vehicles
@user-uj3zk2cx8t You do know that a giant hunk of metal in a low to no rust climate will roll down the road indefinitely as long as you repair or replace the moving parts right?
My biggest gripe with "work truck" trims is that they are overpriced and they are treated as an afterthought. The trucks are designed entirely around the ultra trim level packages, and the result of this means that the work truck is just covered in blank button switches, large empty gaps where a massive infotainment screen should go. Interior design features that are shaped in a way to remind you that you have the "basic" package. They can't make the interiors even mildly interesting or else people might actually get them over all the other dumb stuff they've bloated the linup with.
Thank you for a great common sense view of the modern truck market. I would buy a bare-bones truck in a heartbeat if it was available and cheap. Trucks selling for $40,000-$100,000 are ridiculously overpriced and crazy!
owner of a 90s f150 here, 8 ft bed 2 doors. honestly has gotten hit and ditched. never fixed and runs well. sure repairs are in it, but most stuff you dont need to fix. another owner had one stolen in school. the dude tried to floor it hit 2 new suvs and a tree. guess what survived. the f150.
I used my Titan XD to pick up ten large pumpkins today, plus two new scarecrows. There were no rental trucks at the pumpkin patch today. I won't be trading in for an old mini truck any time soon.
I used to park next to a Ram truck at work. The top of my Elantra was right at the top of the hood of the truck. I eventually ran into the owner and I asked how hard it was to to load and unload stuff from the pickup bed with it being so high up. He just replied - "this is my driving to work truck". The office cowboys have made truck more expensive to the point where you don't want to use them as trucks
I agree. Once trucks started coming off the dealership floor with 6 inch lifts, it got ridiculous. I live in the south and even just 10 years ago trucks were cool. But now everyone drives a Ford or Chevy lifted with 38 inch tires and headlights that will blind you. They're just luxury status symbols at this point. I proudly drive an 02 corolla. I've driven 2 of my friends newer trucks and they just don't feel right. They feel floaty and just weird. My 03 F150 was way more connected to the road even with a 3 inch lift.
I rented a modern Chevy 1/2 ton last week - blown head gasket on my truck - and the first negative I could feel is the frame felt like it was too flexible compared to my 73, a stupid switch for the parking brake that will eventually fail, a non-removable gas cap with a flap in it that you push the nozzle through, and that annoying Throttle-by-Wire - I hate the delayed throttle response. And yes, It was huge.
Bro that’s so true 😂 I remember when you’d see a beautiful, rare, all decked out black f1 lifted and lit up. It was so cool to see driving at night. But now?…..the magic has died 😂
Nice. I'm hoping my 1997 C-1500 extended cab in emerald green metallic will be the last truck I ever own. It's got 278k miles on the odometer, but she's still driving smoothly!
My dad had a 66 Chevy. Three speed on the tree you know he's still talks about that truck to this day I guess the bed got Rusty on it and whatnot so he took it off of course made it flatbed before he took the truck bed off though he ended up ramping a bridge in town at 55 miles an hour fucking around. He said when he took the bed off that's when they discovered the 5/8 piston had snapped in the helper shocks yet the truck via helper springs on it you couldn't tell they didn't know it till they took the truck bed off to put the flatbed on he talks about how at one time they overloaded it with hay once he said the front end was slightly squirrely but it still handled it really well of course he bets that most the trucks today if you tried to do that it wouldn't haul it I think he's right. For the longest time I was never a Chevy guy but I will say that I do believe that dad's old 66 was back when they built something worth a shit in fact I would say back then was when all car companies built something worth a shit.
I recently moved from Connecticut to the low country of South Carolina. I'm amazed by the number of work trucks I see on the roads here. Silverados or F-150s with 2-wheel drive, standard cabs, 8-foot beds, steel wheels, and painted bumpers. I almost never saw them in Connecticut.
The issue is trucks moved away from an affordable and utilitarian vehicle to do work, into a plush luxury vehicle or status symbol / mall terrorizer.... I doubt any of the new truck drivers ever do any work using their truck or go offroad with it.
I work in a law office that houses several other similar businesses in the same building. You’d be shocked by the amount of finance bros, attorneys, and mortgage brokers attempting to cosplay as general contractors by getting enormous trucks
I drive a 2014 gmc sierra. I'm a HD diesel tech for Kenworth. I commute my truck to work and routinely carry work tools, supplies, home supplies and work supplies. I carry kayaks, I go to the river bottom in the willamette valley. Maybe im not the user you're pointing at. My first full size was an all manual 2007 NBS chevy. Too cal it spartan is an understatement. It couldnt really tow, got stuck easy, and had a 5ft6 bed, cost $24,000 new. My 2014 was $43,000 new but I bought it from the colorado department of forestry on consignment from a dealer. It tows, it carries all my work crap, and it can carry the whole family on weekend trips to the lakes and rivers. Yes its more expensive but its comfortable and a solid work truck on top. Not everyone you see with a full size truck is a brodozer in training. I think the hummer and cyber mistake are targeted at a completely different owner. You want utilitarian I think the peak is the minivan, especially for painters and contractors. The only time safety goes out the window with full size trucks is aftermarket lifting systems without updating or changing brakes and steering. Side curtain airbags make a big difference in rollovers but they're standard now. Automotive is a on hundred percent for profit industry. If people stop buying big then they wont sell them big, which tells you that these trucks and Crossovers are exactly what people want. Sorry, but it's true.
I bought my last truck, a 1992 F-150 Lariat XLT (manual) about 24 years ago. She and I are both retired now and she still runs beautifully. Being a Florida truck there is very little rust on her and what little there is can be found as surface rust on the frame. Just had her repainted about three months ago and she is once again a shiny thing of beauty. She will be my last truck since new models are expensive, rubber band tire pretenders. My wife says that she's checking out how to bury me in my truck when I go. Not sure she's kidding.
My 17-year-old son just bought a 2009 Ford Ranger in excellent condition for $7000. Low mileage and not a speck of rust. He's so proud of that truck and didn't want anything bigger. He's going into tradework , so he wanted to start off with something smaller and reliable. That's the attitude a lot of people should take when looking for trucks to do truck things...
@@zsu-23-4shilka2 Not just many, smarter than like 95% of them, since the other 5% are those working in trades and are older folks who know what a good truck is, not the psy-op to make Americans believe bigger is always better. If I could get a Mazda B2200 and upgrade it to handle higher cargo weight with higher and stiffer rear springs and some decent front suspension travel, and put a nice reliable automatic in it, I would. Although getting a B2200 would be way too costly, so an old Ranger would be just perfect. Edit: Lol it just occurred to me that RidersInBlack's son is part of the smart, forward-thinking and intelligent 5% and I perhaps didn't make it clear that I was implying that XD
Good for him! My 17 year old son also drives around in a 2004 Ranger that I picked up for him. He now knows how to drive a stick shift and has more driving skills than 80% of folks out there. We also get to bond in the garage when working on it. Its simplicity makes it a beauty.
I hadn’t had a truck in years, I was in an industry where I didn’t need one. Left that industry after 35 years and moved to the country where I grew up. Someone gifted me a truck with 100,000 miles on it. A 2000 Ford F 150 with manual everything. Tape deck. No tilt steering, no cruise control, AC works. And I absolutely love this truck. It runs like a beast. Moved me out of Nashville with eight trailer loads of life. It was a true godsend. I wouldn’t want a new truck at all. The guy work with just spent $70,000 on his Ford 350 and that damn thing has been in the shop three times already
This video is spot on, you described the pickup phenomenon perfectly. The only thing you didn’t really touch on is the absolute necessity of a 4x4 that will almost never get used. You would think we were at the North Pole the way people HAVE to have a four wheel drive.
I grew up in farm country and every single farmer drove Toyotas from the 80s and 90s. They hauled anything you could think of and went all over the hills and uneven terrain with no problem. Now that I live in the city I have neighbors driving trucks that are so huge they have to park completely on the sidewalk because they block the whole street if they don't. And I've never seen them hauling a single thing in their spotless beds. Even when they've seen me carrying furniture by hand down the street they refused to help because they wouldn't dare dirty their precious status symbol.
I see S10s and Rangers overloaded to high hell just about every day. I'm talking these trucks have to be carrying 10,000 lbs. worth of load. Beds plum full of stuff, with a tandem axle trailer, too. Suspension sagging so low it may as well be resting on the bump stops. They take it like champs, though. I have never seen an S10 or Ranger with a broken frame for any other reason than rust with my own two eyes. These tiny 4 cylinder trucks hauling loads that a brand new 3500 diesel should be hauling, all by themselves. The little trucks that could.
@@lsswappedcessna not to mention most people that drive those pickups actually use their truck for well you know….WORK. Not just driving it around too feel big and bad in these huge trucks nowadays that don’t get used
Without being long winded as it is pretty multifaceted, I cant be but taken aback by going through Ford and Chevy trucks brochures from the 70s-90s. Ford literally had a trim level as the name intended “CUSTOM” because you could order a completely base model truck with zero options, but add any option from any other trim with no additional cost besides the option itself. Chevy had many things similar, and both Ford , Chevy and Dodge had many dealer options ie ; pinstripes, rims etc, that where real incentives to have/buy. I cant begin to imagine how EXCITING it must have been to buy/look for a new truck back in the day.
Well for the most part back then it's a big option was whether or not you wanted it for and then what engine do you want it paired with and do you want an automatic or standard transmission I mean those I would argue are the core options of the 1970s when it came to pick up truck frankly I believe that would even go well into the 1980s. But I will say Ford Chevy and Dodge didn't build their trucks around the four-wheel drive cyst the four-wheel drive system was an add-on to those vehicles. That's the difference between the Jeep via the Jeep truck but also the Jeep SUV and the Ford Chevy SUVs and pickup trucks. This is why the 70s through the 80s Jeeps whether it be the truck or the SUV had the highest ground clearance if any four-wheel drive on the market. And I know that everybody is going to say well but the Ford Chevy and Dodge setup higher blah blah blah no they didn't the body did because the body was jacked up so that they could stuff the transfer case under if someone ordered one in four-wheel drive configuration. Ground clearance is measured from the pumpkin of the rear end to the ground Jeep had the highest ground clearance meaning it was extremely hard to high center it. Just a fun fact because the biggest selling point 4 jeep and their trucks was literally the four-wheel drive system and its capabilities. Now in the late seventies early '80s AMC conducted some market research and what they found was the most of those vehicles will never see off road use of any kind that was the start of City people buying trucks but SUVs the other car companies had realized this as well so what you have today is the Auto industry is armed with 40 to 45 years of market research that basically tells them they don't have to build the trucks or SUVs today to the same specifications and capabilities that they did 40 years ago. So even though Ford Chevy a Dodge had their four wheel drive systems on their trucks and SUVs at the time as add-ons which basically Jack the body up it did nothing for actual ground clearance they were still better and offered applications than the modern equivalent and that's because modern equivalent isn't built to even the specifications that they would have had laid out back in the seventies or eighties. In other words they cheapened it up and in the process they've limited the capabilities and they did so because market research told them they didn't actually have to build it out that far because most people will never attempt to use it that way and the ones that do they can go ahead and just buy the model or two up so the car company gets to extract more money for offering what used to be a standard capability only they packaged it up a little differently and what they call the model or two up basically they're selling you what used to be standard equipment for a higher price and they still jam the cell phone in the fucking dash and you're still getting stuck with this extra back seat that you probably don't want because you'd rather have the bigger truck bed.
If you buy a custom vehicle from Ford, the Window Sticker is Green instead of Blue, and reads SPECIAL ORDER. I think if you do the same with a Dodge the sticker has your last name on it. I ordered my Bronco as stripped down as possible. Stick shift, as little tech as possible. The only thing i paid extra for was $295 for a decent color because I hate grayscale.
It's not that multifaceted, democrats ruined the car industry on purpose and mandated that everything be drab, boring, repetitive, expensive, and crummy
While I completely agree the EPA regulations are stupid and horrible, I don’t think all the changes are bad. Trucks today look so much better than old trucks (the same can be said about most cars).
A big part is that almost no trucks are available with manual transmissions any more 😢! This is the entire reason why in 2010 I bought a 6 speed manual Tacoma instead of a Tundra with a slushbox. I'm still driving my 2010 Tacoma every day.
I've got an '83 C10. Does everything I'll ever need it to, and I've been building it to do more than factory. * Original tow was... something, I have no idea, but I put the heavy duty brakes and such on it so I can now tow 10k like modern F-150s. * Complete engine rebuild with a more aggressive low-RPM cam, with a power curve that looks like a table (1200-5200 is max power) * I modernized the radio and dash so I can have smoother gauges and bluetooth. * I'm still working on the AC, though the original could work. I haven't put the pump in and tested it for leaks, but was thinking of getting the RetroAir kit to remove the vacuum modulated vents. * I installed the fuel injection Sniper kit from Holley to control fuel management better, which bumped my MPG from the standard 15 to a modern 23-25. It also increased performance. Which leads me to my current project on it, a 4-speed transmission and better rear gears. I have 2.73 in it now as an open diff and a TH350. If I just put in the 4L60e I built, I could bring the RPMs down more (currently 2000 at 55). But I want more torque, since you can feel a mere 2000 pounds in the bed dragging the engine, so I'm putting in 3.42 gears with Positrac (to get rid of the one-tire-fire I keep doing). Because I'm increasing the gearing, the 4-speed wouldn't reduce my RPM by much (about 100), so I'm not expecting any economy increase. Getting more torque down is the goal of this part. End of the day, you can make a classic truck perform the same as a modern truck while still being useful. A lot of what I've done is trial and error, but I've kept all my receipts to find out just how expensive it is to make my truck the way I want a truck. Currently, as of last calculation, I'm at $15k. That's not bad at all. By the time I'm done, if I can have a modernized C10 for under $30k, I'll have a perfect excuse to give the American truck industry the middle finger.
I drive a 2004 Toyota TUNDRA similar to at 11:38 and get asked quite frequently how I like my older TACOMA. My old truck is somehow the same size as a newer Tacoma with a way more comfortable and spacious interior. I believe that the "Roaring 2000s" trucks (and all vehicles from this era in general) will continue to hold their value, if not increase slightly in value, as the truck market continues in the direction outlined in this video.
This!!! It's one of the main reasons why i prefer older trucks, and cars in general. Like imagine wanting to lower the AC while driving but instead you end up changing the UI language by pressing the wrong button. How does it make sense to create something so impractical that could end up being dangerous just to be "innovative"?? I'll never purchase new vehicles with such useless tech
Paying $80K for a truck to drive to home depot a few times a year to pick up 2 bags of mulch or drive to an office job BC someone has a small pen!s is ridiculous. No wonder everyone is broke.
Boss it's not just dudes buying them these days. I see a lot of women driving pickups. But you aren't wrong. These are supposed to be a utility type vehicle, but most are just mall crawlers/grocery getters.
As someone who lived through the 80's and 90's, when the SUV took over in the 90's, the truck as we knew it would die. As an example, the Toyota 4Runner. When they first started, they were designed off the truck platform. As they become popular, customers demanded more comfort features. Ride, seats, etc. So the SUV got it's own platform, separate from the truck. Unibody vs body on frame. Eventually, the truck was designed in part to satisfy design requirements for the SUV. Eventually the truck took on SUV traits to stay relevant to many buyers. Ridgeline, Avalanche as examples. Even the Maverick is more SUV than truck, since it's designed off the Escape platform.
Ehh I disagree we still have true body on frame truck based SUVs even the 4Runner you used as an example is still a body on frame truck based SUV I think the issue is the manufacturers lying and calling things like Highlander for example and suv or calling a ridgeline,maverick or Santa Cruz a truck when it’s actually a unibody Ute. People start comparing these unibody’s to body in frames and start to like to feel of the unibody more which will be the downfall of the Pickup and SUV in the future
The 4Runner is still an incredibly capable body on frame truck based SUV, developed alongside the Tacoma… The Avalanche was also a body on frame truck, derived from the Suburban which was itself based on the Silverado 1500. Also a great truck. Our issue now is over the top “tech,” CAFE regulations making every car huge, and deceptive marketing.
Well kind of but not really, So the Auto industry is a whole each company that is pays for certain amount of research to find out exactly what the vehicles they manufacturer and or previously made is used for so that they can position either a new model or figure out if there's a hole in the market that is being filled they need to know who to market it to. So AMC back in late 70s early '80s conducted research and they found that the majority of their Jeeps was parked in driveways next to Mercedes vehicles and BMWs they found out real quick that the majority of cheap owners bought these things for bad weather security and not necessarily off-root use the research they conducted determined that the vast majority of those four wheel drive SUVs and perspective trucks never saw any off-road use. Of course AMC wasn't the only one that did research other companies had conducted a lot of research especially when it came to pick up trucks because pickup truck sales actually went up in the early eighties because everybody had a aha moment that told the pay trucks are cheap transportation because that's what they used to be because they were more so farm use and other assorted work related projects. So basically what the industry had is over 40 years of data that says the mass majority of these vehicles are never going to see off-road use and they're never going to be used in any real serious work applications and they knew about this even in the 90s at that time they had a little over 10 years of market research that told this so it was only a matter of time before every manufacturer would build these things to a scale of economy that basically says they don't have to build them as tough as they used to because the vast majority of the customers are never going to use them for those applications. That's basically what's going on that's why they basically turn to pick up truck into an oversized minivan with truck bed on the back a very small one. Had that Dad or not then the automakers would most likely still be building them in much with the exception of some EPA regulations now they of course cover their ass and you're more than welcome to pay much more money for the model or two up that would be capable of hire towing capacities and hauling capacity the bad part is even though you pay more you're probably still getting some four-door extended cab tiny truck bed arrangement the difference is perhaps it has a slightly beefed up frame and it might have a bigger inch and it might have slightly different suspension under it that makes towing an RV a lot easier and that you would have better handling with but it still has a giant fucking cell phone jammed into the dash and it still has all kinds of other electric junk that will break basically the life of most of that shit is somewhere it about 6 to 10 years before it really starts going completely wonky. Most automakers even little AMC I knew the truth behind not just four wheel drives but trucks and SUVs in general in the early eighties and they knew that the city people were buying these things up and they knew that most of these vehicles would never see any real actual work or off-road applications and it was only a matter of time before they would strip out a lot of the build qualities that made them rough and gruff.
@@American-Motors-CorporationYou make a great point. Trucks became minivans on a frame with a small bed because most buyers drive them to go work in a cubicle. Then as manufacturers saw how many people were buying lift kits trucks started getting taller to a point they are practically useless if you need to work out of the bed on a daily basis. Modern trucks are the men's version of an expensive purse. Overpriced and a 10 dollar bag can be more capable. They are built to flex on people the other guys at the office.
Hey, James, up here in Kingsport. I know this subject is about trucks but you mentioned owning a van. I bought a 1984 Dodge B150 cargo van about five years ago. I paid $1700 for it and I've put about 14,000 miles on it. I bought it to haul stuff in it, although my dream intensions were to make a boogie van out of it but that never really happened. I had to put a back seat in it because I got kids. But otherwise, I'd remove it so I could haul even more stuff. Having a rear seat only gives me about 8 feet of cargo space. I can haul plywood in it. I've hauled I couldn't tell you how much stuff in it. Garbage, building materials, furniture. It has been more useful than a truck because of the cargo space. Only downside is I couldn't have a load of gravel dumped in it. I usually make a trip once to the dump. I don't know what I'd do without it. I like the simplicity of the Slant 6, one barrel carburetor. Manual transmission, levers for the heater. No touch screen. The only two things I wish it had was power steering and air conditioning. Those would be nice. But otherwise, it's a work van. I've tried to spruce it up a bit with some used Jeep Wrangler rims and seats from a conversion van. Uses a bit of oil and gets 9/14 mpg but hey, I didn't have to pay $50,000 for a new base Transit or a used Transit with 200,000 miles for $16,000. I'd like to have a Transit but can't afford one. This may be apples to oranges but the inflation calculator says a base 6 cylinder Ford E series cargo van from 1980 with a manual transmission and no amenities would cost around $9,000 in today's money. Yet a new Transit starts at $50,000 and other than power door locks, power steering, radio and A/C I don't think it has as many options as these new trucks do like power heated seats and stuff like that.
A real SUV is built like a truck with a full frame under it. Without being RWD and having a full all steel rigid frame what you have is a "tall car" and nothing more.
How to buy a new pickup truck: 1. test drive a truck from the dealer lot. 2. rob a bank and load the bed with bags of cash 3. return to the dealer lot and pay for the truck in cash, assuming you cleared about $80,000 from the heist.
This is an excellent essay on the state of the modern pickup truck and how it has become an overpriced status symbol instead of the useful vehicle it once was.
It's still useful if you use it the way it's intended. I use mine just about w eryday. Homesteader and blue collar with a 2020. It's not even hard to fix either.
as someone whos renovating old houses top to bottom, constantly hauling lumber, drywall, pvc plumbing, insulation, etc my 2014 f150 is perfect. i think its the last year trucks were trucks, steel body, all analog, no fancy screens no sensors, or data trackers i do wish i had a larger bed for lumber and doors, but i just drop the tailgate and strap it in, it works. but i see most trucks on the road spotless with an empty bed.
@schwarzwolfram7925 except not really cause you have alot more cargo space alot more power and off road capability and towing. Yall just try way too hard to hate. Ik a bunch of homo douce bags drive trucks and dont need them but that doesn't take away from the versatility and capability of a truck. If I don't need the shell, I loosen the clamps and take it off. If I need the tool box I put that on. If I need the full bed I take it off. If I am going through mud pits and loose gravel I put on 4 wheel drive. If I need to pull the trailer I drop it in and lock it and go.
I have a 2016 Nissan Frontier, short bed. I threw a Leer cap on it and use a trailer to move big stuff. Truck is great for camping - keeps all my stuff dry.
I love REAL TRUCKS, but I can't see why so many people love these 1/2 ton Crews with a super-short bed. Oh wait, it is because they really need a full-sized station wagon, but those are no longer made.
I have a 2005 Silverado that i paid $5k for last year. It has 250k miles, all electrical stuff works (power windows/locks/lights), 4wd works, no rust, very few dents, no rips in the cloth interior, you can eat off the engine bay, it starts/runs excellently and drives great. The only things that dont work are a few lights in the dashboard (the lights that light uo the gas gauge and engine temperature). I wouldn't trade it for ANY new truck.🥰
Dash lights in pre 2010 vehicles are usually pretty easy to replace. Biggest thing is finding the service manual which most public libraries can get a hold of. Now some have annoying clips that you have to make sure to replace but couple hours max and you good to go.
A few weeks ago I was talking with my mechanic, we were towing my RAV4 99, and he told me that he was selling his pick up truck (can't remember the model, they all look the same!) because he didn't actually needed it; the gas it was consuming was making him loose money. He pretty much told me that almost any other car can tow other cars, and I can corroborate that, cause I've often had to tow my uncle's IzuzuTrooper (a massive car) with my old 99 RAV4 and that was uphill. Modern pick ups are just oversized trucks to carry huge egos for people with more disposable income than braincells... we need to check for lead poisoning again.
Well yeah but if the tables were turned and you were the owner of that truck and that truck broke down and then your mechanic had this RAV4 I mean level ground good weather yeah I think that your mechanics right it would tow it it would be fine uphill well I guess that depends on the size of the hill and the grade of the hill but there would be a lot of struggling going on there. I mean if that were fully the case then most towing companies would not be investing in a big ass tow trucks so I guess if most of his clients vehicles are somewhere between a motorcycle and a RAV4 then yeah he's right he can get away with but the minute he gets a client with a big ass pickup truck he might need something more though I don't know what he plots to replace this with. Of course I will say that there's a lot of people that came to that conclusion they don't really eat the truck but the only real reason is that they keep the truck is because they know that they are most likely going to lose some amount of money on if they sell yeah I know that right now they are commanding one hell of a price even used but that does not mean that you yourself is always going to be able to get that price. And then of course we could say that he owns the truck out right but I don't know that he does a lot of people in that situation the reason they keep the truck is because they have it financed and the money they would get out of it by the time they pay off the loan they're not going to have enough left to actually replace vehicle so they're hopelessly locked into it now obviously he probably doesn't have this problem or he's not thinking I don't know which way that falls cuz I don't know his personal situation. And to be honest yes I have a truck that we don't really need we needed in terms of four wheels of seat and the fact that my wife can drive an automatic transmission because the other vehicle that I currently have is an 87 Chevy Camaro with a 5-speed my wife can't drive a clutch even though she's 6 years older than me and I'm 39 so here I am the millennials that can drive a standard cuz I grew up doing that and my Gen X wife can't drive a stand it's kind of hilarious really but truck long story short basically my father-in-law was going to do some front end work to it he had it apart and then it basically said there for 4 years some friends if there's offered to take it to a garage they did the garage lied about the shape the frame and basically they tried to do rip them off out of the truck and I said no no those frames could be fixed that's bullshit so they shipped it down here to me and they said they didn't want it anymore so basically they give it to us and then I turn around and put about 3,500 but it's an 04 f150 beautiful truck hardly any rust the frame was in good shape as a precaution I had my mechanic touch it up a little bit but got a new front end under it it's a nice truck it's a daily driver that's the only reason that we have one because right now I don't actually need one I'm not in the countryside anymore trying to get back there but I'm not there yet. No that's not everybody's deal I mean it just happened to fall in our lap and it just so happens that yeah it did take a year to get the money together to fix it but it was well worth it simply because I can't go to a car lot and buy that truck for $3,500 a truck especially last year would have cost in the neighborhood of 13 to 15,000 especially in its current state of its fixed.
I love my 1999 Chevy Silverado 4x4 LS, it has the extra cab with 3 doors, and the 8 FOOT long bed! I put a level kit on it and added larger BFG's and it is awesome. Reliable, solid, and hauls everything. The last true usable trucks we made 20 years ago. Thanks for the video!
Trucks should be a tool, simple, like a cart, or a wheelbarrow. I don’t want an $80,000 computer. That’s why I bought a 1993 Dodge d150. Just enough truck.
I see many "$80k computers" hauling on the road for the stuff I do. Then you run into the problem of $20-40k "real trucks". Paying top dollar for old pile of rust, forget it....
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Pretty sure my Honda Odyssey is more capable than these things 😂
I also have a Honda odyssey but drive a 2022 colorado for work and I can confirm this is true
Electrician here. I haven’t seen a tech that doesn’t miss their Metris & Transit vans when we shifted to the Silverados
Pretty sure a 2000 F-350 is more capable than a new one, even in the same class.
Capable of doing what?
@@lawnmowerdude doing what trucks are supposed to do, haul stuff
Bring back real station wagons.
Got you covered mate - a fibreglass canopy for your Wildtrak! (Yeah, you're right.)
Volvo v90
Exactly
Yes! That's what we want!
Volvo still makes them and with the oversea delivery program if you buy them jrw you get a free Swedish vacation
The crappy thing about living in the rust belt is that all the good old trucks are basically rotted away and gone.
Truth
I have a retired friend who lives in the northeast. A few times a year, he flies to Arizona, buys a rust-free '90s pick-up and drives it back. They always sell within days for enough to cover the cost of the trip and a tidy profit.
This problem is widespread in Canada. Had to buy my 00 tundra in Vancouver where it's never seen any salt
I visited Detroit and I was shocked how bad some vehicles looked at just 10 years old. You know it’s bad when you can see they are rusty at 60 mph.
I get baffled that you still have brand loyalty for Chrysler stuff here in the salt belt. They get blown out with rot before they're paid off
The vehicle used to be a tool, now it's the driver.
Loose nut behind the wheel.
So many new ford superduties out working it’s the number 1 truck of the work force
Hahahaha...thx
Nice statement
people were tools ever before the model T ever existed
The most hilarious sight is driving by a corporate office park and seeing 75% occupied by pick up trucks.
And their all dent and rust free, never seen work
Modern trucks aren’t designed for people who need trucks. They’re for people who need cars but want to feel like they have the utility of a truck despite them never needing said utility.
You can still get short cab long bed fleet trucks.
It's weird growing up with a 70's pickup that you just drive through washes, over curbs, been in multiple accidents with basically zero damage, you park by hitting walls/dumpsters, and toss literal tons of concrete and debris in the back and then seeing people in newer trucks with their giant $3000 rims and rubber band tires freaking out about fingerprints or dirty shoes.
Trucks should be hammers, not Ferraris.
exactly
I feel like we’ll argue over the “who needs a truck.” I mean I don’t need one for work but I haul my fourwheeler and help buddies move with it. It just comes in handy. Trucks are for everyone. Can’t gate keep a pickup
@@hughjazz2408 and you could do those things with a 86 s10.
Paying $50,000 to $70,000 for a truck is insane.
And higher. 80 to 90 k.
The new top luxury Ram is like 92k. I bought a 3 yr old truck myself and i thought it was too expensive. The automotive sector has become WAY too expensive. My girls car is still under warranty. They just did pinion seal and timing chain cover gasket under warranty. $3300 job. And they wanted 1000 for rear only brake job that i ended up doing with no lift in a hr. With oem parts i saved her 700. U either have a old car u fix yourself easily. Or a car under warranty . Shop prices will bankrupt you. And these 100k daily driver trucks are insane as well
@@easycomeeasygo8901 NUTS
Dude, spending $30k is insane..... That should be the absolute MAX price out the door
You can get a ford base model 1/2 ton for 37k MSRP.
Modern trucks are a lot like the current state of county music these days. Fake, plastic, eye-catching city dwelling “outdoors ready” wheels, further driven by useless electronics while having a “try-hard” aesthetic of a vehicle that used to be rugged, reliable tough and powerful.
This exactly
Nice analogy
Completely true, but reading this gave me a little bit of the spectrum.
Facts.
Like light beer
Somewhere along the line, it was decided trucks needed to perform like sports cars and feel like luxury vehicles. They became less focused of being work horses and more focused on being daily drivers no one can afford
Or yuppies and "fake country", people who want to look like, "rugged Americans", or genuine tradesmen. My employer drives a $100,000+ pick-up truck. He hardly ever uses the bed to transport anything, he puts it in the "extended cab".
GMC Cyclone Ford F-150 lightning ram SRT Chevy 1500 ss. Trucks that were great and were cancelled too soon
I blame over reliance on chips in cars and complex computing. Increases cost of production. So they cut costs elsewhere. For example Toyota is using more plastic parts in their engines now. Reducing reliability. The days of a 2014 Tundra that can last 1 million miles if properly taken care of are over. Also fuel efficiency and turbo boost engines have a draw back. Yes you get better mileage. But the second you have to tow something those engines have to work extra hard reducing their fuel efficiency anyway LMAO
You are absolutely right. This is why I'm more comfortable driving trucks between the 90s and the early 2000s since they lasted for years without issue with good maintenance. Now today I saw a 2022 Ford f-150 and I felt like I was inside a Lexus.
@@nicobenji0248 Too much tech, not enough practicality. But they say all the high-tech is what consumers want, but I don't believe that, and I'm not buying it. (pun intended.)
"if You actually want to impress the neighbor, go get an early 90s F-150"
Man that is so true. I bought a Ranger 86 and I've been having offers up and down.
Old Cars had personality, something we lack today.
i have 2 classic trucks a 93 Yukon 2 door and a 1990 suburban (they're trucks i will argue till i die, just not pickup trucks) the number of old guys I've had come up to me and tell me about how they had one back in the day or how they used to beat the piss out of their old squarebody shocks me. Guys offering me money that's more than what i make in 4 months for a truck that was made 35 years ago is crazy. They ask me a price and i always tellem "ask my kids when i die, they'll still be running"
@MegaWillinator I agree with the truck label. I refer to them as "suv trucks"
What you mean the f150 where the build quality is like a toddler assembled it.
@@MegaWillinatorI would argue the same thing about a minivan with all the seats removed. Basically a short truck with a camper bed.
My old car looks so out of place in the parking lot in the best way.
The chicken tax is one of the worst things to happen to the US auto industry.
One of the worst for US costumers. Auto industry in the US is fine with getting extra protection.
I absolutely disagree with this statement.
The chicken tax forced manufacturers to build trucks in the United States and not over seas and it protected American manufacturing in jobs. I am old enough to remember the imports coming here and I also remember how they used to skirt around the so-called chicken tax by installing the bed here...
The North American Free trade agreement, California Air resource board the national highway traffic safety administration and of course the EPA are the worst things to happen to the American vehicle market as a whole.
All of those things started off as good ideas and every one of them have forced the market in unnatural directions.
@AtomicReverend yay for 3rd world slave labor right?
Might as well do away with the chicken tax, Ford and GM our going broke fast so after they are gone Japan will no longer need to subsidize their trucks and we’ll see the real cost of those foreign brands, plus we’ll probably be forced to buy tiny KEI trucks for the few that have the money to buy them, the current administration has destroyed the economy, don’t mean to get political but it’s true.
Well no it did not actually protect the Auto industry what it was was temporary Band-Aid as a means of trying to slow down imports but of course the loophole was the import company could build a factory here employee Americans and then talk about how it's made in America and they avoided the tariffs.
You're basically did the same thing and it didn't work and it didn't work here either then of course you ended up with a situation to where they didn't actually have to build the vehicle fully assembled out of the country what they could do is manufacture literally every part of the vehicle outside of the country and then import those parts back in and then assembled which is basically our Auto industry today and they were doing this even before NAFTA so NAFTA definitely did not help but it was not the end of all that started this.
So it was a Band-Aid to basically make people think that always protecting American industry when in reality it did nothing for American industry it basically just forced the competitors to build factories here and oh by the way still take over the market because what we were building sucked.
I do agree with you on the EPA the EPA can totally fuck off and die because the EPA has literally screwed up not just the Auto industry but a lot of our industry which of course is provided extra justification for a lot of our manufacturing to scoot out of the nation.
Are gutless politicians did nothing to actually look out for American industry if they really wanted to do that then they buy now should have had policies that talks about how in order to be considered an American company to receive tax breaks and senatives and or to receive a certain tax percentage that you have to maintain and have 98% of your manufacturing capacity in this country that you have to have at least 98% of your business here in terms of your parts manufacturing and your assembly and they have never introduced that law yeah the reason being is because well you know there's a lot of ass wipes in the world of politics that yeah they're getting kickbacks if anything they're getting corporate sponsorships for their campaigns.
I mean we could fix this in two seconds only we were to clamp down and say no you have to have 98% of your manufacturing base here in order to be considered an American company and basically if you refute then guess what you're going to do you're going to pay 70% more taxes and every one of your cars will be treated as if it's a foreign made vehicle and there will be a domestic tariff on each car.
And then basically when the company collapses well so what had a bankruptcy court we'll just find an investor and or a series of investors to take it over and they really will set it up that they'll have 90% of their manufactured base year it's really that simple.
That set I will say that something to that effect would have worked a lot better 25 to 30 years ago I will say that today it would be difficult to get that off the ground it can be done but of course there's going to be painful and that's most the reason why the politicians won't touch it they just say it's up to the free market and then they let them do whatever the hell they want to do meanwhile they give them huge amounts of tax incentives as well as basically even money and they fire up a couple of token factories but in reality they don't manufacture shit they assemble things out of foreign manufactured parts.
"The most overlanding you're gunna do in your truck is moving it to the lawn to open up your driveway for family reunions"
- RCR
😂😂😂
“HOT DICCS”
- also RCR
Well most people yes and that I believe is the problem with the trucks today see even back in the late 70s early 80s to car companies had a cash pile of research that they conduct their research was largely based on SUVs but it did actually cover some trucks and they found that as City people started to buy pickup trucks they bought them largely because back then they were a cheap alternative to nobody really wanted a truck but the sales mysteriously picked up and they found out the reason people were buying them was because they were cheap alternative to cars and you know through the years they have compiled data that basically suggests well it outright says that the vast majority of those trucks will never really pull or haul anything of any real significance they will never really see any off-road use or very little much like the SUV like the Jeep people in the city were buying Jeeps left and right but most of the time those jeeps and never saw off road use they've come to the same conclusion about pickup trucks.
So the moral of my story here is simply it was only a matter of time before the manufacturers would build these things to the scale of that economy in other words yes it technically has four wheel drive but there's limitation because it's not exactly built to the specifications of having the shit beat out of it on a farm like it's predecessors.
It's literally a van with a truck bed.
And you can think City people for ruining pickup trucks the minute the soccer moms got a hold of the damn things and the $100,000 man got a hold of a pickup truck and decided he didn't want to scratch the truck bed but he's going to pull everything behind it in a trailer and he only really wants the truck is some sort of status symbol then well welcome to high price that are built to a scale of economy from the manufacturer's standpoint and then of course this means the performance goes down the tubes that's exactly what happened.
And of course to still razzle and dazzle everybody into buying the damn thing well they put a cell phone in the dash and talked about how you can monitor all this useless shit that you probably don't care about.
For the vast majority, true. They don’t need trucks/suvs. They need a station wagon.
I live on a dirt road in the mountains at 5000’ elevation. My 1980 bronco with a 10.2:1 stroked 331/302 with forged mahle pistons, scat rotating assembly, brand new everything-driveline-strange 9” rear LSD front/back, carpet, paint, 4 speed granny low top loader, manual t case, new 32 gallon tanks, hei dizzy, aluminum heads, 1-5/8 mid length ceramic coated headers, does some over landing but it was built to take my wife and I (now also my baby girl) to Alaska and back . Bucket list 6 week adventure. Hoping to go in 6-7 years when our baby is old enough to remember, core memories…
Nooooo one talks about how you can rent a U-Haul for $50 to do the yearly work that most American Men pay $80,000+ to banks in order to do.
owning a truck feels nice
@@JuanCarlos-vk6cb I get it. I like trucks too but theres a difference between doing something that feels nice for yourself like eating a donut and doing something that feels nice for yourself that also cripples you financially, is basically because of corporate brainwashing & messes up everything around you forcing governments civil designers to have to expand pavement everywhere to accomodate for everyone driving around a 1 ton.
I buy what i want you buy what you want
@@BrandonJackson-c6b Thats totally fine boss. I like trucks too. But you can't stop us from making fun of you for daily driving a 1-ton with a ghost trailor back and forth between work and home every day. Also don't complain about gas prices if youre deciding to burn more fuel just to feel cool.
The US government: “pop-up headlights are dangerous for pedestrians!”
Also the US government: “if the hood isn’t 5 ft off the ground you can’t sell it in this country”
the US has no pedestrian safety rules for vehicles.
you forgot: citizens must have exhaust treatment systems govt is exempt
Also the US Gov allows the Cybertruck somehow.
I have a 2023 GMC Sierra work truck. I completely ran over one of those huge orange drums at a road construction site, didn't see it AT ALL. Those things are as tall as a 10-year-old. It's a joke. And it's bone stock $45k base model, not even lifted or anything.
@@nemesis0088false. Where did you get that from ?
I work at a Ford dealer, I drive new F150's and Super Duties daily. Want to know what I just bought? A 97' GMC K1500 with 213,000 miles on it and honestly I would NOT trade it for ANY new truck on our lot. They just don't do it for me, too much tech, too many gimmicky features that break and I would never use. Not to mention how cheap they feel for how overpriced they are. I don't need lane keep assist, I don't need a massive screen. I don't need 80 different camera's. I don't need a truck that parks/drives itself or a 5 way opening tailgate with a "man step". I just need one that is reliable, that I can haul stuff around with. That's it. Until then (I'm not holding my breath) I'm just gonna buy and fix up the old stuff.
i have a 2020 ranger and i do think that it is a very decent machine, but I also love 90s rangers and have had several. And although I do love the simplicity of the 90s machines the new ranger is pretty great, plenty of power to tow, 4wd, locking diffs, but gets 27 highway mpg, and nothing is terribly complicated on it.
Well I will say that the old Ford rangers were decent trucks and a lot of those are actually still functioning to this day I mean it's interesting because in the 90s I remember everybody would sort of insult what was news in right they would talk about how things were better in the 80s or the 70s or some shit people still do that but what's funny is now everybody's talking about how they were better in the 90s than they are today even though I can remember it's 90s people to think so.
I guess it kind of harkens back to the old saying if you never know what you got until it's gone.
And that's very true when it comes to the small miniature trucks you can't really get those anymore and there is some importing of the foreign jobs but a lot of States deemed those too small to be safely recommended for the road which is fucking stupid because then they're going to let people drive around in a dumb ass smart car.
And of course recently I've seen a few rangers drive around via the newer ones and I thought this damn things are basically the size of what an F-150 used to be I own an F-150 a 2004 that basically parents' laws gave us and I dropped 3,500 and I can say that the new ranger is damn near the size of it in fact the ranger is larger than a 90s Ford f150 it's crazy.
I got an 07 ranger it's amazing,it does what it needs to do. I'm the truck person in my family so I'm always on call. I like that I can use it a lot and not care much.
Hopefully it's not Bob Thomas Ford, they're going out of business via nepotism & dudebro.
98 Silverado 1500 love that truck to death just broke 200k on the ol gal
Went to a car show, sat on all the trucks, got to the parking lot and got back in my 2002 Silverado. I was SHOCKED by the difference in VISIBILITY!
RIDICULOUS!
I agree completely, our 2012 Chevy pickup has HORRIBLE blind spots whenever you try to look behind you...to the point where it's dangerous...compared to our 2002 Chevy that you can see EASILY all the way around...so surprised that more people haven't noticed this and how dangerous it actually is
I have an 03 Sierra 2500 HD. And an 04 F350. SLE and XLT packages. Those trucks are perfect. Modern but basic at the same time. Not too big either just the right size for a truck. Those new trucks the hood comes up to my neck practically and I am 6 foot tall.
Pre-2010 compared to now is like night and day for visibility
@@DillonHeringnew vehicles have pillars so thick you could easily miss a pedestrian too it’s insane
and thats why they have to require back up cameras in new cars. they sold a solution to a problem they created.
Maverick hybrid owner here. Yeah, I bought it not because it was a” real “ truck but because it was a hybrid car with a truck bed; a modern ute.
Waterboarding couldn't get that confession out of me
Trucks now are all hat no cattle.
Yep. 1,000 lbs torque. Able to tow 35,000 lbs. 25mpg empty. Seating for an entire family in a luxury interior. All hat and no cattle....
@@GodprefersDieselsI think he’s meaning the half ton and lower trucks. We all know the new half ton trucks all suck without modification
Many folks driving them have "big hats" and no "cattle" to move.
"All hat, no cows."
Lol yep.
What do you mean? They still build big ass trucks that can pull a beached battleship.
I wanna drive a go cart to work but the government doesn't let me.
Yes. I refuse to take any blame as a consumer. I have never wanted a bigger more expensive car. In fact, the best car I owned was a Hyundai Accent 5 speed I bought for $1,800. 42 miles per gallon, and my girlfriend could push it out if it got stuck in a snowdrift.or something...
I'll never own a new car, and I will ride my tiny motorcycle (Kawasaki Z125) until the snow starts sticking to the road.
Which is wild because it's totally fine to ride a motorcycle or trike. A FUCKING TRIKE!!!
Sure it does, I have one. It's called a Fiat 500.
@@Paul_Halicki I don't wanna touch Fiats with a 10 mile pole
@@gahbah274 This is why the above poster should just make a go-cart with 3 wheels. Things like this already exist with 1 wheel in the back. I forgot what they were called though.
I love these truck ads that show the truck off-roading in the desert, climbing a mountain, or racing through the woods. When we all know the tire sensors would break, suspension would be ruined, the check engine and transmission lights would come on, and the airbags would probably deploy because the truck can’t handle actual off-roading 😂
I don’t know, I used to off-road my 21 half ton Sierra pretty hard here in the Rockies, while it wasn’t the best ride comfort, it didn’t ever break down on me. I’ve since upgraded the suspension and tires, but in stock form it did just fine.
@@jayk.2276 You actually keep decent tires on it, of course. But these trucks I see have a lift kit installed, but tires as thick as a rubber band 😂
or even this simple thought "im not taking my 80k truck off roading, that's what my 8k truck is for"
@@bigfoottamer Do you think when the 80k truck is old that it would ever be used for off roading or do you think that by then there will be so many electrical gremlins that it won't be worth the time to fix anymore
@@Jake-mv7yo maybe, by the time it gets old someone will have figured out how to rip the shitty electronics out and make it more reliable, if not then no
Worst thing to see --- full pick up or suv without a hitch...
Like, wtf!?!? Why get them then??
These suburban moms I've seen are the worst with those.
For large SUVs; most people don’t tow with them. Three row SUVs are family haulers.
For large trucks: even among the audience who uses a truck for truck stuff, the vast majority doesn’t tow, just uses the bed. Lumber, tools, gravel, dirt, pallets of tile, heavy machinery, etc, all goes in the bed with no need for a trailer.
40k for a gator us a fuckin robbery. Pardon my french.
yea, but its got bluetooth! 😂
You might as well build your own at that point.
People need to stop buying this shit. They are true suckers.
@@chsi5420or you could buy like a half dozen pretty nice jeep tj or yjs
@@M.TTT. And A/C and leather seats. Ridiculous! How can a Gator even with all that be as much $ as a well equiped Wrangler???
I hate modern trucks because they're not serviceable in the field. Snap a fan belt? Off the the dealer to disassemble the FRONT END! "That'll be $1,250 sir!"
I hear cars are being written off over minor faults that parts suppliers cannot supply (usually electronic) parts for. I guess this "chip shortage" is gonna be around for a few decades....
@@hak1985org
Serpentine belt....oh yes there is! Couldn't have a/c, water pump or power steering or an alternator without one Einstein!
Lol .. there's not even reason to carry tools or spares these days .. because they're not going to help on the roadside. Everything is a tow. I've had a '68 Fargo 3-on-the-tree, an '81 F-100, a '78 Chevy. still have a '68 Mercury 3/4 ton, (240, 4 speed) and an '84 GMC (292/TH-400) .. Every one was or still is bomb proof, and although I admit they "broke" more than my daily .. (maybe not a shock with odo's ranging from 300-900,000) But not one ever stranded me. You could always patch or limp them home.
Alternator dies in my '84 .. it'll go 35 miles on the battery. My '07 won't make the next offramp. I carry points and a condenser in my '68.I've done some hairy ass shit the last 50 years .. like gravity fed a Rochester monojet with a shat fuel pump, and yup - I carry a spare belt in all my old junk. I can swap it faster than the zombies can swarm.
And overall serviceability? Well you sound like an angry old asshole like myself .. so you may recall oil bath filters? Should see the look on peoples faces when I tell them the truck still has the filter installed April 18th, 1968. Oh yes, and my headlamps are $7.
The towing hosssy-powah advert hype has me shaking my head as well. I won't claim to be able to out tugl a 7.3 Powerstroke or 5.9 Cummins with 240 cubic inches in a '68 .. but the girl does her job .. and in the last 54 years did (originally concrete and drain, then) farm duty hauling hay and steers. Who the hell needs all that stupid power to go to the carwash and commute?
And she'll be around when I'm dead I suspect .. Hopefully to so someone who will love and preserve rather than chop, slam, and put stupid wheels on it. but I digress.
Guy I know just bought a Dodge worth twice what I once paid for a two storey house. I made fun of him and asked if there were integrated sex toys in the seats.
Of course no one knows the future .. but I wonder how many '22's will still be on the road in 2072?
@@JimTheZombieHunter
2022 - 2024s won't still be on the road after 12 - 15 years after all the electronic doodads and gadgetry fail and wear out. The truck will be inoperable and not run, drive or shift anymore. You don't need to go back to 1968 to have good no frills reliability. The sweet spot and approx "cutoff" is somewhere prior to about 2006 or 2007. That's when they really started piling on the electronic junk and unnecessary gadgets. In fact mid 90s to around 2002/03 is the best of the best. All the modern technology you need without anything you don't.....safety equipment, EFI, 4-wheel disc brakes , overdrive, oil/trans coolers, transmission shift levers rather than electronic buttons that fail etc etc etc.
No, they currently usually cost more than a house these days. "They" will adjust or nobody will buy them anymore. Need to drop the prices $25,000 - $30,000 less. How do you do that? Take off all the unnecessary modern inventions and doodads. A pickup truck shouldn't cost $60,000+.......
60k....haha....many are pushing $80,000 these days.
I remember a few years ago I was shoveling gravel out of the bed of my 1995 Dodge Dakota and my neighbor came by (who had a new Tundra) and said to me "man, I should get a truck like that too". I responded by asking "a truck like what?" to which he said "one that I would actually use". I wouldn't want to shovel gravel out of a new $70k truck either.
100% agree with the whole thing, nothing to add to the points presented, just commenting so the algorithm pushes the video to more people.
My wife spotted a '95 F250 on Craigslist 8 years ago this month. We bought it with 160K miles, ext cab, long bed, 4x4, 7.3 liter Powerstroke, very clean PLUS Wing windows. It's now been valued at 3-4x what we've got into it, pulls our 31ft travel trailer, and gets all kinds of praise. At the gas station last year, i overheard 2 different owners of brand new trucks commisserating on the MULTIPLE Recalls they each were dealing with.
I like the pre-2010 for another reason...no DEF.
YES to NO DEF! 2005 Silverado 3500 D-max 375k, just rebuilt and bulletproofed Allison trans MYSELF for $1,200 TOTAL parts! I remember vividly when we'd punk new younger guys to "check the EXHAUST FLUID"...AS A JOKE because it was so RIDICULOUS !
Awesome you could do that major stuff yourself. Great skill to have. You really know your rig now, and can enjoy it for many years.
I love the 90s F250s. That being said, having owned a 2000 F250 PSD that I drove to 265k miles, I would never trade my 2016 F250 for it. Drives better, pulls better, turns better, quieter. In fact, other than putting DEF in, there are 0 things liked better about my 2000 model. The 90s trucks are a novelty, but functionally its not even close to the newer trucks.
Last I heard on 7.3Ls is that if your BCM fails you're SOL.
If you don't want def just buy a used government spec F-series diesel. They have no emissions equipment and are actually able to be repaired.
I can attest to the blind spot of today's trucks being dangerous.
My step-mother is currently in the hospital in rehab recovering from being hit by a pick-up truck making a turn while she was in a pedistrian crossing. She is a tiny Asian woman and the driver swore he just did not see her and was devastated that he had hit her. She suffered swelling of her brain, broken bones and is in her 80's, her memory is now shot, both long term and short term. She is slowly recovering, but who knows how much she has lost or will recover.
Even before pick-up started bloating out I had a dislike for those that drove, mainly because my CB650 died underneath the front end of an early 90's F-150 that ran a red light, I ended up in the middle of the road with my leg tucked under my arse in a most unnatural position and looking forward to three years of rehab and recovery.
Trucks are meant to beasts of labour, not some wankers status symbol.
Of course he couldn't see her. That's my biggest problem with all new vehicles. I rented through Avis and got a brand new Audi. Immediately noticed after I got in that I felt like I couldn't see. The windshield on it was half the size of the one on my 10-year-old Toyota. In fact, I could live with every other deficiency of modern cars, trucks, etc. if they just had bigger windshields and smaller grills.
@@valleyofiron125 Maybe this is what I'm noticing when I get in new trucks. I always thought it was the smaller windshield, but maybe it is the reduction in peripheral vision. I don't know exactly, but something about them feels way off.
93 GMC K-1500 is my DD. I rebuilt it.
I put an aftermarket 40-20-40 bench seat with no head rests in the front.
Being able to see 360° with very little obstructions might be my favorite feature on my setup.
@@four-eight-zero5627 You know what they say about GMC Trucks right? Body by Fisher, engineered by Miss Take.
The K-1500's and F-150's of that time period were true trucks, real work horses and not some jokers vanity ride.
@@gumpyoldbugger6944 😆
Actually there isn't much that I don't like with the engineering. Just small things like the geometry of the sway bar links and holes in the bottom of of the LCAs to reach the nuts on the links.
Yes, the early 90s Fords and Chevys are my favorite pickups.
New "trucks" are perfect for people who call Jason Aldean country
Or Toby Keith (rest in piss)
I laughed when one of the truck ads featured in the video showed Toby Keith on the radio
Enjoy your soulless pop music with southern accent pretending to be country music while you drive your soulless tank pretending to be a truck
I have no idea who that is, and yet I completely understand the reference.
Why don’t you do this…
Go buy a 90s pickup and hook it up to a 35,000lb trailer… Lemme know how you do.
@@brandoncrimmins6296 Take that wannabe semi-truck that can haul 35,000 lbs and hand it over to Whistling Diesel, Let me know how it does.
@@brandoncrimmins6296 How many half ton buyers have 35000lb trailers? None. How many have 5000lb trailers? Less than 10%.
80's & 90's were the best. Better mpg than the old school & easy to work on at home, etc...
3/4 or 1-ton, but Regular cab, bench seat, manual transmission, crank windows, 8 foot bed. No carpet. (maybe a Hellcat engine). could be $25K
AM radio? :)
That's right brother just as God intended
@@PRH123 I honestly don't remember if my 69 had AM/FM or just AM.
And vent windows, don't forget the triangle vent windows.
@@Rocketsong manual shift on the floor or on the steering column? I vote for column :)
As a self employed landscaper who actually needs a heavier truck to make a living (hauling mulch, dirt, stone, brush, leaves etc.) I'll never understand why a middle class person will blow so much money on a brand new f250 to go to the dump and grab a 2x4 from home depot twice a year. The cost of ownership is really insane.
How do you know what they're doing?
@@wizard_of_poz4413 conversation, observation
@@wizard_of_poz4413 multiple surveys have been done on truck owners and most of them admit they rarely use it for its purpose. All these brand new trucks with aggressive lifts and wide stances yet you never see those at construction sights, they never have anything in the bed, they never doing actual work, but you do see em in suburbs, parking lots at groceries stores or in the car pool line. It’s clear as day why people(guys) buy these trucks. So they can look “masculine” and “rugged”. “Look at me, I’m a man, I’m strong im big, im tough” without actually being those things. This video clearly struck a nerve bc your in the comments replying to everyone that criticized your little comfort vehicles
Well at the basics all you really need to do is go to home Depot frequently and or work there and you'll know immediately what he's talking about.
Other than that the Auto industry has 40 years of data that basically says the majority of these trucks will ever see any offered use they won't see any real true work applications that would require a much heavier duty frame and suspension as well as other components as standard equipment for the people that do need those items they are welcome to buy the modeler to up and of course that's how they make their money so basically they've used 40 years of data to basically build these things to a scale of economy and gimp performance.
Interestingly enough it was in the early 80s that AMC who owned jeep at the time conducted market research to find out exactly what kind of customer is by their Jeep offerings whether it be the truck or the SUV and what they found out was those vehicles ended up in the driveways of middle and upper middle class individuals and even some people much wealthier and they were parked next to Mercedes and they never saw off-road use of any kind these people just wanted to buy the capability because it had the capability but they never really had any real intentions of using it that still goes on with customers today that's exactly why that market research that was done in the early eighties and of course throughout the decade of the eighties by all automakers is still relevant.
Yes in that data is actually 40 plus years old and see themselves conducted this very market research in the early eighties and determined that the majority of their Jeep vehicles whether it be the truck or the SUV never see any off-road use and they're generally not used for work applications at least work applications that would require heavier duty now they offered to have your duty trucks and you would argue that the trucks of yesteryear came relatively standard is heavy duty and when you paid the extra money to have it beefed up more basically what they thought heavy duty back then actually meant something but the standard truck back that was also built to scale of heavy-dutiness that you cannot get as standard anymore and that's because the market research told them they didn't have to build it that way because the vast majority of customers will never ever attempt to use the truck for any of that stuff.
My friend's rivian ran out of juice towing a small trailer last week. Said it had 150 miles of range when we started and left us stranded in 55 miles.
My 2006 5-Speed 4.0 V6 Ranger 4X4 saved the day. Towed the trailer back. Then went and rescued the Rivian driver.
That Rivian is a marvelous vehicle. But my 06 Ranger is a better truck.
Well electric trucks are basically crap.
I mean if you believe the marketing nonsense then yeah they're going to talk about this ranger that but they conduct those tests if they bothered to test it under certain conditions with a certain weight and by the way that wait also includes the driver or any passengers that went along the test rooms so yeah you might be 80 lb lighter than the guys it rode along on the test and that might somehow squeeze a couple more miles out on the other hand the load that you had may have very well been 400 lb over what they towed at the lab and or test track.
In other words these vehicles are tested under certain conditions and the bullshit that they plaster everywhere about the range of the vehicle is based on ideal conditions and not necessarily real world use.
They need to be more honest and upfront because the long run they're basically destroying their own industry now I don't think that the industry is really feasible at this point now I will say battery technology will get better and you know they probably play with the gearing in the rear end and they could you know tweak a few things and someday they really will have better capability but as of right now they're going to ruin the chances of the better future coming for these vehicles if they continuously post marketing crap everywhere that says they have these huge ranges because people buy these things and then they're massively disappointed.
And it leaves a bad taste in their mouth to wear someday even if they actually do get the range up on these things with any real towing capacity nobody's really going to believe and it's just going to be at another Lost cause in the automotive history books so I think that in the long run they would be better off to talk about how under ideal conditions tell everyone what those ideal conditions are and then talk about how that means if you're wanting to pull the trailer with 2 tons of shit in it you're not getting that range I think that they would be better off to be honest even if that means they might lose a couple of sales today they would at least be setting themselves up for some sort of honesty look in the future when the battery technology does improve.
You ain't no Ford fucking ranger 😂
I argue with EV die hards regularly that the Cybertruck isn't a truck. They're always p¡ssy about it because Uncle Sam says it is! 😅
It's not a truck.
That is the big problem with electrics that the radical environmentalists refuse to acknowledge - what happens if you run out of juice.
The Ford Ranger is the most underrated truck of the past 25 years
I've owned a few trucks over the years. My 1990 Dodge Dakota was a great truck and even though it has the V6 and would barely do 80mph for a top end, it was awesome hauling stuff and in the snow and mud it went wherever I wanted it to. My first new vehicle was a 1996 Dodge Ram 1500 with the 5.2 (318) and I had it for 7 years and still regret selling it. I had a 2001 Ram 1500 that looked identical to my 1996 with the same engine, but that's where the similarity ended. It felt cheaper, tinny compared to the 1996 and just didn't hold up at all. I had a 1993 GMC 1500 long bed with a 305 V8 in it, had 165,000 and the only reason I got rid of it was because having a single cab pick up and wife and kid wasn't practical. It had the old bench seat, basic radio and the thing just drove and went. I own a 1974 Ford F-100, hasn't been restored, is pretty much all original and the thing starts and drives. It's finally starting to need the original transmission where it will probably have to be replaced. Not bad for 50 and going on 51 years. This year I was hauling wood and skidding logs with it. What's funny too is that my 1974 F-100 had every option at the time, it's a short box 2wd but it was ordered with air conditioning, the Ranger XLT package (back when the Ford midsize truck was the Currier) and a 390 V8 instead of a 302, 351 or 360. Plus it has 3:08 gears so even with the 390 V8 and the automatic (which was an option, the manual was standard) I get about 12-13 MPG with it.
As someone who has owned the luxury trucks, big and small, I have paid thousands per month in payments and insurance. I now drive a 1994 F150 (8 foot bed) that I own outright. And I can work on it myself, it tows, it hauls, it gets 20 MPG (inline 6 manual), but incredibly, it catches so many eyes. People are surprised it’s on the road, and that I built it myself.
It came to me one day that it was “cool” when two teenage boys who volunteer at the church asked to ride in it, calling it a “classic”. At first I was taken aback, then I realized, it isn’t like anything they’ve seen on a lot today. A manual transmission? Wing windows? A bench seat? The natural rumble in the cab? As we pulled into a gas station, a man in this new Duramax looked at my truck and said, “Man, I’m jealous”. That’s when I realized the 1990 OBS F150 is the new classic C10.
As a guy who owns 2 of them in good condition, I still don’t get the hype. They’ve never been that appealing to me. I drive my 2013 f250 99% of the time.
Hell yeah
@@00700556 I don’t either, sir. I didn’t buy it to “look cool”. It was affordable and reliable. It is perfect for running to get fencing or hauling whatever furniture my wife needs.
I have a 97 with the 7.3. I think the 92-96(7) was the peak of the 80-90s Ford trucks.
@@abpsd73 Yep got a 93 with 7.3 IDI rwd 4/10 rear with ZF 5 that I'm happy with. Now if I could find a ZF 6 to put in it I wouldn't go back.
I would say the problem with both cars and trucks is that they became status symbols rather that tools.
Well yeah it's just like with the SUVs what's the city people started to buy them market decided to go in the directions of those people wanted basically I argue that today most pickup trucks or nothing more than fans with a truck bed that they've basically turned them into vans.
I mean if you go and look at an old 70s crew cab truck with an 8-ft bed it's a monster it's literally huge but those were largely used by lumberjacks a lot of power companies had a lot of those trucks because they would send the crew of four or five guys out to a field to clear brush to clear trees and whatnot from power lines you know they had a fucking utility that's what those were created now it is the four-door trucks with the tiny truck bed is basically some idiot who does nothing with the truck to show off.
And I'll be honest the only reason I have truck and or my wife and I have a truck it's simply because my parents lost our old and could fix it and it had to go to a shop and they relied to about the frame and they didn't want to mess with it they shipped it to us said we don't want it no more so I dumped about 32-3500 in it and got it and it's a wonderful vehicle so it was a matter if we needed a vehicle we didn't pay jack shit for it and I put roughly $3,500 in it and now we have basically a $15,000 truck sitting at the driveway that's the only reason I am because as of right now no I don't really need a truck but it's another vehicle that my wife drive because it has an automatic transmission and where my Camaro is a standard and she can't drive a clutch.
You are blousy ignorant becusse most of us buy them to run businesses and work out of them. The people who say new trucks don’t work are the same ones who don’t work. Mostly old grandpas that are retired. And there’s always been old retired grandpas who buy trucks and keep them nice
It's the reverse honestly, cars have become so popular that they have lost soul in exchange for utility
CAFE regulations. They have to go through a luxury vehicle loophole or else the democrat laws make it too difficult to sell a truck in any way that makes sense from a business perspective
Part of this is also due to the veneration or desire to "appear" as if you are a "worker" or similar. Pickups have gone from being a more blue-collar or young man's vehicle to being a status symbol for older men. The same has happened with women buying SUVs. Both sexes are prone to marketing gimmicks.
Similarly, I contend that pickups, for men, are one of the last vestiges of even faux masculinity in the automotive market. It's impossible to look like a man by pulling up somewhere in a banal, and unvitalistic little coupe or sedan or somesuch. That leaves pickups, or some kind of offroad SUV (Jeeps). I might say the entirety of automotive designs today lack any spirit of speed, power, or vitality, and are now spiritually obese looking, full of comfort features (the user needs to be coddled at all times), and safety obsessed to the point of crippling their intended function.
I'm not countersignaling good features, either. I'm fine with my vehicle being reinforced or having seatbelts etc. so I survive a collision or somesuch. But personal vehicles have lost any fire they once had to be reduced to the same dead, uninspired environment much of contemporary life has been struck down to. Too tightly controlled, lacking freedom, and a will to live a certain way.
the comparison between a 80's squarebody towing a 747 and a cybertruck towing a jet engine says it all really.
4:44 The Toyota fj on the ford’s bed driving up a mountain of rocks 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
I don't want all the damned options.
I don't want cameras or Internet-
Or even electric windows!
I'll keep driving old Toyota trucks until I'm dead!
Good idea, don't buy any modern junk.
Nope I don't need no internet, no sir not in my life. Early Cuyler - squidbillies
Need a water pump gasket for that thing?
aye look at the latest yt vid from 'that car care nut' on the new 24 taco trd pro, uff da mae it's bad. Got a gen 3 now myself but maybe the taco peaked with gen 2 sizewise. Before that was a 01 frontier which was a very capable 4X4 machine but way underpowered for a v6. Definitely I'm with no options and no fn screen but I can allow for power windows.
I like my fully loaded Honda Ridgeline Movie theater... 😆
Trucks used to be built to be work horses. Work them hard and put them away wet. Now they're just show ponies. Most trucks today are just form over function.
Well yeah that's true however I can also say that the reason they're made that way today is because of 40 years of data that basically says that most trucks and or SUVs are never going to see any real off-root use that most of those vehicles are not going to be on the farm basically City people started buying them up because at one point they were cheap transportation then pretty soon that customer base wanted a bunch of shit on so basically they've morphed into minivans with truck and 40 years of data has allowed them to do that because they can build these vehicles to a scale of economy that says they don't have to build them super because the mass majority of those trucks are never going to be used in any application that would require it to be what it was 40 years ago.
And then of course to cover their ass but the milk a little more money they offer subsequent models up from perhaps the base models that would be more capable so that's how they're getting away with this it basically allowed them to beef up pretty much the same truck and then sell it to you it $30,000 more it's a scam it's literally bullshit.
The growth in size is mostly due to how the EPA changed their fuel economy requirements to be based on width and wheelbase of the truck. The formula is broken and hugely incentivizes making trucks as large as legally possible.
The EPA along with all other unelected bureaucracy’s have no more authority due to the recent Supreme Court ruling on Chevron Deference so maybe things will get better.
@@Peach_Of_A_Hand I'm hopeful that overturning Chevron at least means things will get worse less fast.
Ah, so that's how we got away with putting the 5.2 Predator in the Raptor? Track width rivals dually 1-tons so it's allowed to have the power and emissions of a 10-liter turbodiesel?
That's no reason to make trucks so much taller. They could have easily expanded the footprint to get around the EPA without increasing the height.
I just dropped almost 4k on my 22re 93 Toyota pickup. Most would say totally not worth it. But I love it.
Remember when if you wanted a fancy truck you bought a step side
Remember the late 90s & early 2000s where people would put all that aftermarket wood grain around the cup holders, a/c vents & door panels?
I tend to try and forget that was a thing lol@@justinstandifer604
I almost bought one recently, but my buddy beat me to the punch for it. 1995 Chevy K1500, 5-speed stick, 5.7L 350. Beat up truck, but still a truck. Something I can actually haul my shit around with. I now have 2 2000 Silverado 1500s that I use for that stuff, and they do me just fine.
Or you went out and got a Lund visor and side steps. Maybe a rollbar. What the hell happened to rollbars anyways? I went looking for one for my old '84 D100 a few years back and all I could find were these cheesy looking light bar mounts that bolted to the bed rails, not down in it.
All the safety features like lane departure assist, automatic stop, and seatbelt beeping are things we have to pay for, but things we never asked for, but they come standard so you have to pay for them. You have no choice. This is what I hate about new vehicles.
Exactly! I wouldn’t mind options if it’s still possible to buy a minimum spec zero option version of the vehicle, as stripped out and barebones as possible. Generally speaking the dealer version of a feature is less useful and worse quality than anything I could install aftermarket, which I’d prefer to be doing.
And putting essentially an iPad Pro into the dashboard of modern cars/trucks is a down-the-road replacement cost I don't even want to think about.
@@cjc363636 Exactly! I’d rather rip my dash apart and replace a $20 switch 100 times before I did that job even once
And it's funny bc if you're a good driver then you wouldn't even need or want them in the first place.
@@dameiondarthard3878 Exactly. I don't even trust these features anyway.
Just power windows and AC is all the electronics I need.
Nah just AC
Yep and I can take or leave power windows. My arm works fine.
@@bassmanjr100not having power windows sucks dude
It’s not that bad it worked when I was a kid it’s works fine now
I don't even want power windows. As I live in Texas, I want AC. That is it. Give me cloth bench seat and a stick.
I still have a 1986 F150 that my dad bought brand new. It was never really a cool truck to me back then, but I would love to fix it up some day.
My dad has a 1989 gmc sierra 1500 for the farm truck. It's completely fine for hauling a slip tank to fill up the tractor in the field, carry tools for when machinery breaks down. I can easily reach over the side of the box to grab a duffel bag or a jerry can. Trucks are so big now that I have to crawl into the bed to grab anything, which again is more difficult because of how tall they are. Trucks have become the exact opposite of what they should be. They are now impractical instead of practical. I hate it. I'd buy something like a 2000 Silverado in a heartbeat. These new truck just hurt.
The GMT 800 was peak GM truck.
You're so right. They're big for the sake of being big. It adds nothing to their capability or usefulness.
Great point, these high-lift trucks are annoying to work with. Do you know why they are making these pickups so high up?
They now have sidesteps and built in tailgate ladders. My brother just bought a truck that has some weird pop-out sidesteps.
On the other hand, my buddy wanted the safety so his wife got a giant F-150 that's never really used as a truck and along with his SUV they barely fit in the garage my sedan has tons of room in.
Also, I think most new trucks are using aluminum beds, because in your giant, massive, overweight work vehicle you need to sacrifice functionality and usability for weight reduction. We had to repair our outer wall and threw chunks of concrete and debris from the roof into the back of our old pickup, and loaded it with said concrete until it was as high as the cab roof and then hauled it to the dump. Modern trucks would crumble.
sorry you are 4ft 2 its not our problem
I'm telling you. If some random company decided to produce an 80-90s style compact truck (like an s10) and priced it low with little in tech options, they would have a gold mine and wouldn't be able to make enough of them.
Look up the Toyota Champ. They already make the perfect small truck that would sell for 13-14k brand new here, but our government won't allow it. They even offer it in a 2.4 diesel.
You guys don't get the Hilux right? In south America are the absolute KING. Smaller than the Tacoma, can haul more than the Tacoma and is indestructible even in newer versions. And you can option it without most of the junk tech that you don't need. Even in my country that is literally the most expensive in South America is a good investment cause they hold they value greatly.
A little truck with a torquey, reliable, and fuel efficient inline 6 engine with a 5 or 6 speed manual transmission would be so nice.
Oh, they do. The US just does not get them. Navara, Amarok, BT-50, Ranger, D-MAX, and, of course, the legendary Hilux and 70 Series Cruiser.
@@claudiosanchez764 correct, sadly once the Tacoma was introduced we no longer received anything Hilux like.
A Gator golf cart basically is more expensive than a Lexus UX hybrid. Something is very very very wrong.
Hey man, those gators are actually wicked little machines. Definitely far from a golf cart. Never, would I ever, in my right mind, buy one. But we have them at work, and they are very capable. You're pretty much paying for the John Deere name though, no excuse why they should be more than like $15,000 IMO
@@fredward5313 That green paint is really expensive!
Kudos to the commentary! You are spot on. My wheeled experiences range from roller skates to equipment that you can walk under without bumping your head. The vain indulgences will bury us.
Not even just trucks, every car is massive. New civics are way bigger than my old civic. I want a small car, and I mean small, not the smallest the brand offers.
A few first generation Civics came up for sale for around $500 locally around a year ago and I regret not buying one. They needed some work but I'd much rather drive one of those than a new "little" car.
I drive a 2009 kia rio. I am larger in almost every dimension than that car.
I like it way more than a modern Camry or Civic.
I have an 08 kia rio5 with 5 speed manual and 108k miles. Its been the best car I've ever owned. Super cheap to fix and super easy to work on.
This is such an important conversation
The auto industry has gone completely off the rails, and the people need to bandntogether and stand up for ourselves and our vehicles
There is a reason I still drive the 91 F150 I bought in high school. 712k miles on the original 5 speed transmission and the second inline 6.
Damn that's a lot of miles! nice
Bullshit
@user-uj3zk2cx8t You do know that a giant hunk of metal in a low to no rust climate will roll down the road indefinitely as long as you repair or replace the moving parts right?
400k on my obs ford with the original 5.0 and A4R70W trans
@@coltermasson8124 BS
My biggest gripe with "work truck" trims is that they are overpriced and they are treated as an afterthought. The trucks are designed entirely around the ultra trim level packages, and the result of this means that the work truck is just covered in blank button switches, large empty gaps where a massive infotainment screen should go. Interior design features that are shaped in a way to remind you that you have the "basic" package. They can't make the interiors even mildly interesting or else people might actually get them over all the other dumb stuff they've bloated the linup with.
Thank you for a great common sense view of the modern truck market. I would buy a bare-bones truck in a heartbeat if it was available and cheap. Trucks selling for $40,000-$100,000 are ridiculously overpriced and crazy!
owner of a 90s f150 here, 8 ft bed 2 doors. honestly has gotten hit and ditched. never fixed and runs well. sure repairs are in it, but most stuff you dont need to fix. another owner had one stolen in school. the dude tried to floor it hit 2 new suvs and a tree. guess what survived. the f150.
Those 9th gen F-Series trucks are my favorite of all time. I’d take one over anything (don’t let the name fool you lol, I like em both)
They’re nothing but SUVs with an open bed, they’re built out of nothing but plastic, you can’t reach in the bed due to how tall they are, etc.
I used my Titan XD to pick up ten large pumpkins today, plus two new scarecrows. There were no rental trucks at the pumpkin patch today. I won't be trading in for an old mini truck any time soon.
I used to park next to a Ram truck at work. The top of my Elantra was right at the top of the hood of the truck. I eventually ran into the owner and I asked how hard it was to to load and unload stuff from the pickup bed with it being so high up. He just replied - "this is my driving to work truck". The office cowboys have made truck more expensive to the point where you don't want to use them as trucks
I agree. Once trucks started coming off the dealership floor with 6 inch lifts, it got ridiculous. I live in the south and even just 10 years ago trucks were cool. But now everyone drives a Ford or Chevy lifted with 38 inch tires and headlights that will blind you. They're just luxury status symbols at this point. I proudly drive an 02 corolla. I've driven 2 of my friends newer trucks and they just don't feel right. They feel floaty and just weird. My 03 F150 was way more connected to the road even with a 3 inch lift.
I rented a modern Chevy 1/2 ton last week - blown head gasket on my truck - and the first negative I could feel is the frame felt like it was too flexible compared to my 73, a stupid switch for the parking brake that will eventually fail, a non-removable gas cap with a flap in it that you push the nozzle through, and that annoying Throttle-by-Wire - I hate the delayed throttle response. And yes, It was huge.
Bro that’s so true 😂 I remember when you’d see a beautiful, rare, all decked out black f1 lifted and lit up. It was so cool to see driving at night.
But now?…..the magic has died 😂
I’m hoping my 1966 c10 Chevrolet will be the last truck I ever own.
Nice. I'm hoping my 1997 C-1500 extended cab in emerald green metallic will be the last truck I ever own. It's got 278k miles on the odometer, but she's still driving smoothly!
My dad had a 66 Chevy.
Three speed on the tree you know he's still talks about that truck to this day I guess the bed got Rusty on it and whatnot so he took it off of course made it flatbed before he took the truck bed off though he ended up ramping a bridge in town at 55 miles an hour fucking around.
He said when he took the bed off that's when they discovered the 5/8 piston had snapped in the helper shocks yet the truck via helper springs on it you couldn't tell they didn't know it till they took the truck bed off to put the flatbed on he talks about how at one time they overloaded it with hay once he said the front end was slightly squirrely but it still handled it really well of course he bets that most the trucks today if you tried to do that it wouldn't haul it I think he's right.
For the longest time I was never a Chevy guy but I will say that I do believe that dad's old 66 was back when they built something worth a shit in fact I would say back then was when all car companies built something worth a shit.
@@American-Motors-CorporationMy Dads 66 had a wood bottomed bed. They rotted out eventually.
@@American-Motors-Corporation nothing being built today will be around in 58 years
@@patrickholt4140 well unless there's some who take really special care of it.
I recently moved from Connecticut to the low country of South Carolina. I'm amazed by the number of work trucks I see on the roads here. Silverados or F-150s with 2-wheel drive, standard cabs, 8-foot beds, steel wheels, and painted bumpers. I almost never saw them in Connecticut.
The issue is trucks moved away from an affordable and utilitarian vehicle to do work, into a plush luxury vehicle or status symbol / mall terrorizer.... I doubt any of the new truck drivers ever do any work using their truck or go offroad with it.
I just don’t trust my ranger with off roading
I work in a law office that houses several other similar businesses in the same building. You’d be shocked by the amount of finance bros, attorneys, and mortgage brokers attempting to cosplay as general contractors by getting enormous trucks
@@appendix_gang2245 fking idiots I say
This guy gets it. I don’t know why other people don’t get it. -U10
Auto manufacturer's marketing has been convincing the market that this is what you want, because there's so, so much profit in it.
"i wanna buy a full size truck that can tow 8000 pounds, but i want it to have a V6 and a Turbo"
-Modern day truck buyer
why are you signing off a youtube comment lol
@@ufeelinselfrighteous8470 The V6 Turbo dwarves all the V8, that's a fact...
I drive a 2014 gmc sierra. I'm a HD diesel tech for Kenworth. I commute my truck to work and routinely carry work tools, supplies, home supplies and work supplies. I carry kayaks, I go to the river bottom in the willamette valley. Maybe im not the user you're pointing at. My first full size was an all manual 2007 NBS chevy. Too cal it spartan is an understatement. It couldnt really tow, got stuck easy, and had a 5ft6 bed, cost $24,000 new.
My 2014 was $43,000 new but I bought it from the colorado department of forestry on consignment from a dealer. It tows, it carries all my work crap, and it can carry the whole family on weekend trips to the lakes and rivers. Yes its more expensive but its comfortable and a solid work truck on top. Not everyone you see with a full size truck is a brodozer in training.
I think the hummer and cyber mistake are targeted at a completely different owner.
You want utilitarian I think the peak is the minivan, especially for painters and contractors.
The only time safety goes out the window with full size trucks is aftermarket lifting systems without updating or changing brakes and steering. Side curtain airbags make a big difference in rollovers but they're standard now.
Automotive is a on hundred percent for profit industry. If people stop buying big then they wont sell them big, which tells you that these trucks and Crossovers are exactly what people want.
Sorry, but it's true.
I bought my last truck, a 1992 F-150 Lariat XLT (manual) about 24 years ago. She and I are both retired now and she still runs beautifully. Being a Florida truck there is very little rust on her and what little there is can be found as surface rust on the frame. Just had her repainted about three months ago and she is once again a shiny thing of beauty. She will be my last truck since new models are expensive, rubber band tire pretenders.
My wife says that she's checking out how to bury me in my truck when I go. Not sure she's kidding.
Love that! I wish you, your wife, and your truck well in life.
Have seen florida truck. Only complaint was plastics and roof interior got sunburnt. Need to keep in shade
My 17-year-old son just bought a 2009 Ford Ranger in excellent condition for $7000. Low mileage and not a speck of rust. He's so proud of that truck and didn't want anything bigger. He's going into tradework , so he wanted to start off with something smaller and reliable. That's the attitude a lot of people should take when looking for trucks to do truck things...
Your son is smarter than many truck buyers these days
@@zsu-23-4shilka2 Not just many, smarter than like 95% of them, since the other 5% are those working in trades and are older folks who know what a good truck is, not the psy-op to make Americans believe bigger is always better. If I could get a Mazda B2200 and upgrade it to handle higher cargo weight with higher and stiffer rear springs and some decent front suspension travel, and put a nice reliable automatic in it, I would. Although getting a B2200 would be way too costly, so an old Ranger would be just perfect.
Edit: Lol it just occurred to me that RidersInBlack's son is part of the smart, forward-thinking and intelligent 5% and I perhaps didn't make it clear that I was implying that XD
You raised a good son, who knows how to use his brain. He'll go far in his chosen field.
Good for him!
My 17 year old son also drives around in a 2004 Ranger that I picked up for him. He now knows how to drive a stick shift and has more driving skills than 80% of folks out there. We also get to bond in the garage when working on it. Its simplicity makes it a beauty.
@IamGroot786 recipe for success my friend. Amazing
I have a 1978 Chevy and it’s the most reliable thing my family has had
I hadn’t had a truck in years, I was in an industry where I didn’t need one. Left that industry after 35 years and moved to the country where I grew up. Someone gifted me a truck with 100,000 miles on it. A 2000 Ford F 150 with manual everything. Tape deck. No tilt steering, no cruise control, AC works. And I absolutely love this truck. It runs like a beast. Moved me out of Nashville with eight trailer loads of life. It was a true godsend. I wouldn’t want a new truck at all. The guy work with just spent $70,000 on his Ford 350 and that damn thing has been in the shop three times already
Me, absolutely fed up with modern vehicles, browsing facebook marketplace for late 80s toyota pickups
I have a 1965 c10. Never going to get rid of it. Best truck I ever had.
Lucky Man you are.
If you ever want to get rid of it, i will be waiting ;)
Reliablity is one issue that many trucks are lacking today .
This video is spot on, you described the pickup phenomenon perfectly. The only thing you didn’t really touch on is the absolute necessity of a 4x4 that will almost never get used. You would think we were at the North Pole the way people HAVE to have a four wheel drive.
I grew up in farm country and every single farmer drove Toyotas from the 80s and 90s. They hauled anything you could think of and went all over the hills and uneven terrain with no problem. Now that I live in the city I have neighbors driving trucks that are so huge they have to park completely on the sidewalk because they block the whole street if they don't. And I've never seen them hauling a single thing in their spotless beds. Even when they've seen me carrying furniture by hand down the street they refused to help because they wouldn't dare dirty their precious status symbol.
I see S10s and Rangers overloaded to high hell just about every day. I'm talking these trucks have to be carrying 10,000 lbs. worth of load. Beds plum full of stuff, with a tandem axle trailer, too. Suspension sagging so low it may as well be resting on the bump stops. They take it like champs, though. I have never seen an S10 or Ranger with a broken frame for any other reason than rust with my own two eyes. These tiny 4 cylinder trucks hauling loads that a brand new 3500 diesel should be hauling, all by themselves. The little trucks that could.
My Ford is huge, but I tow logs and landscape gear with it. It's annoying to park though.
@@lsswappedcessna C'mon. No S10 or Ranger is hauling 10k lbs.
@@lsswappedcessna not to mention most people that drive those pickups actually use their truck for well you know….WORK. Not just driving it around too feel big and bad in these huge trucks nowadays that don’t get used
My dad and grandpa used Chevy luv’s for everything besides towing. My dad still talks about how that was the perfect work truck.
15:41 on the mark!
We have wheelchairs in the event your legs get destroyed.
We don't have a wheel chair for your skull, and no one is working on it.
counterargument: coffins
Without being long winded as it is pretty multifaceted, I cant be but taken aback by going through Ford and Chevy trucks brochures from the 70s-90s. Ford literally had a trim level as the name intended “CUSTOM” because you could order a completely base model truck with zero options, but add any option from any other trim with no additional cost besides the option itself. Chevy had many things similar, and both Ford , Chevy and Dodge had many dealer options ie ; pinstripes, rims etc, that where real incentives to have/buy. I cant begin to imagine how EXCITING it must have been to buy/look for a new truck back in the day.
It's so annoying these days. You just want a rear window or just heated seats and they tell you that you have to get a platinum package for 20k extra
Well for the most part back then it's a big option was whether or not you wanted it for and then what engine do you want it paired with and do you want an automatic or standard transmission I mean those I would argue are the core options of the 1970s when it came to pick up truck frankly I believe that would even go well into the 1980s.
But I will say Ford Chevy and Dodge didn't build their trucks around the four-wheel drive cyst the four-wheel drive system was an add-on to those vehicles.
That's the difference between the Jeep via the Jeep truck but also the Jeep SUV and the Ford Chevy SUVs and pickup trucks.
This is why the 70s through the 80s Jeeps whether it be the truck or the SUV had the highest ground clearance if any four-wheel drive on the market.
And I know that everybody is going to say well but the Ford Chevy and Dodge setup higher blah blah blah no they didn't the body did because the body was jacked up so that they could stuff the transfer case under if someone ordered one in four-wheel drive configuration.
Ground clearance is measured from the pumpkin of the rear end to the ground Jeep had the highest ground clearance meaning it was extremely hard to high center it.
Just a fun fact because the biggest selling point 4 jeep and their trucks was literally the four-wheel drive system and its capabilities.
Now in the late seventies early '80s AMC conducted some market research and what they found was the most of those vehicles will never see off road use of any kind that was the start of City people buying trucks but SUVs the other car companies had realized this as well so what you have today is the Auto industry is armed with 40 to 45 years of market research that basically tells them they don't have to build the trucks or SUVs today to the same specifications and capabilities that they did 40 years ago.
So even though Ford Chevy a Dodge had their four wheel drive systems on their trucks and SUVs at the time as add-ons which basically Jack the body up it did nothing for actual ground clearance they were still better and offered applications than the modern equivalent and that's because modern equivalent isn't built to even the specifications that they would have had laid out back in the seventies or eighties.
In other words they cheapened it up and in the process they've limited the capabilities and they did so because market research told them they didn't actually have to build it out that far because most people will never attempt to use it that way and the ones that do they can go ahead and just buy the model or two up so the car company gets to extract more money for offering what used to be a standard capability only they packaged it up a little differently and what they call the model or two up basically they're selling you what used to be standard equipment for a higher price and they still jam the cell phone in the fucking dash and you're still getting stuck with this extra back seat that you probably don't want because you'd rather have the bigger truck bed.
If you buy a custom vehicle from Ford, the Window Sticker is Green instead of Blue, and reads SPECIAL ORDER. I think if you do the same with a Dodge the sticker has your last name on it.
I ordered my Bronco as stripped down as possible. Stick shift, as little tech as possible. The only thing i paid extra for was $295 for a decent color because I hate grayscale.
It's not that multifaceted, democrats ruined the car industry on purpose and mandated that everything be drab, boring, repetitive, expensive, and crummy
Custom ordered my 1984 F-150. $8,400.00, easy to remember. Carpet delete (rubber floors). The full gauge package was only 35.00 extra LOL.
While I completely agree the EPA regulations are stupid and horrible, I don’t think all the changes are bad. Trucks today look so much better than old trucks (the same can be said about most cars).
You mean like 2000s when you say old right?
I daily a 66 Chevy. Most robust platform ever. It can be completely maintained with a socket set and a screwdriver.
A big part is that almost no trucks are available with manual transmissions any more 😢! This is the entire reason why in 2010 I bought a 6 speed manual Tacoma instead of a Tundra with a slushbox. I'm still driving my 2010 Tacoma every day.
Well if you like tacomas, the 2024 base model SR can come with a stick. It’s 4x4 crew cab but only 5 foot bed. It drives well though.
I've got an '83 C10. Does everything I'll ever need it to, and I've been building it to do more than factory.
* Original tow was... something, I have no idea, but I put the heavy duty brakes and such on it so I can now tow 10k like modern F-150s.
* Complete engine rebuild with a more aggressive low-RPM cam, with a power curve that looks like a table (1200-5200 is max power)
* I modernized the radio and dash so I can have smoother gauges and bluetooth.
* I'm still working on the AC, though the original could work. I haven't put the pump in and tested it for leaks, but was thinking of getting the RetroAir kit to remove the vacuum modulated vents.
* I installed the fuel injection Sniper kit from Holley to control fuel management better, which bumped my MPG from the standard 15 to a modern 23-25. It also increased performance.
Which leads me to my current project on it, a 4-speed transmission and better rear gears. I have 2.73 in it now as an open diff and a TH350. If I just put in the 4L60e I built, I could bring the RPMs down more (currently 2000 at 55). But I want more torque, since you can feel a mere 2000 pounds in the bed dragging the engine, so I'm putting in 3.42 gears with Positrac (to get rid of the one-tire-fire I keep doing). Because I'm increasing the gearing, the 4-speed wouldn't reduce my RPM by much (about 100), so I'm not expecting any economy increase. Getting more torque down is the goal of this part.
End of the day, you can make a classic truck perform the same as a modern truck while still being useful. A lot of what I've done is trial and error, but I've kept all my receipts to find out just how expensive it is to make my truck the way I want a truck. Currently, as of last calculation, I'm at $15k. That's not bad at all. By the time I'm done, if I can have a modernized C10 for under $30k, I'll have a perfect excuse to give the American truck industry the middle finger.
I drive a 2004 Toyota TUNDRA similar to at 11:38 and get asked quite frequently how I like my older TACOMA. My old truck is somehow the same size as a newer Tacoma with a way more comfortable and spacious interior. I believe that the "Roaring 2000s" trucks (and all vehicles from this era in general) will continue to hold their value, if not increase slightly in value, as the truck market continues in the direction outlined in this video.
Also theres the screens that are less safe! Cannot feel a touchscreen whe driving, but you can feel a physical button and keep your eyes on the road
This!!! It's one of the main reasons why i prefer older trucks, and cars in general. Like imagine wanting to lower the AC while driving but instead you end up changing the UI language by pressing the wrong button. How does it make sense to create something so impractical that could end up being dangerous just to be "innovative"?? I'll never purchase new vehicles with such useless tech
Paying $80K for a truck to drive to home depot a few times a year to pick up 2 bags of mulch or drive to an office job BC someone has a small pen!s is ridiculous. No wonder everyone is broke.
bro enough of the small penis jokes. really weird to think of someone that way
Why did you censore penis? PENIS PENIS PENIS
What about the people who drive Hondas and have small pen!ses? Or Subarus?
Boss it's not just dudes buying them these days. I see a lot of women driving pickups. But you aren't wrong. These are supposed to be a utility type vehicle, but most are just mall crawlers/grocery getters.
I bought a midsized truck because I'm average penis size.
As someone who lived through the 80's and 90's, when the SUV took over in the 90's, the truck as we knew it would die.
As an example, the Toyota 4Runner. When they first started, they were designed off the truck platform.
As they become popular, customers demanded more comfort features. Ride, seats, etc.
So the SUV got it's own platform, separate from the truck. Unibody vs body on frame.
Eventually, the truck was designed in part to satisfy design requirements for the SUV.
Eventually the truck took on SUV traits to stay relevant to many buyers.
Ridgeline, Avalanche as examples.
Even the Maverick is more SUV than truck, since it's designed off the Escape platform.
Nothing wrong with a sedan based ute.
Ehh I disagree we still have true body on frame truck based SUVs even the 4Runner you used as an example is still a body on frame truck based SUV I think the issue is the manufacturers lying and calling things like Highlander for example and suv or calling a ridgeline,maverick or Santa Cruz a truck when it’s actually a unibody Ute. People start comparing these unibody’s to body in frames and start to like to feel of the unibody more which will be the downfall of the Pickup and SUV in the future
The 4Runner is still an incredibly capable body on frame truck based SUV, developed alongside the Tacoma… The Avalanche was also a body on frame truck, derived from the Suburban which was itself based on the Silverado 1500. Also a great truck.
Our issue now is over the top “tech,” CAFE regulations making every car huge, and deceptive marketing.
Well kind of but not really,
So the Auto industry is a whole each company that is pays for certain amount of research to find out exactly what the vehicles they manufacturer and or previously made is used for so that they can position either a new model or figure out if there's a hole in the market that is being filled they need to know who to market it to.
So AMC back in late 70s early '80s conducted research and they found that the majority of their Jeeps was parked in driveways next to Mercedes vehicles and BMWs they found out real quick that the majority of cheap owners bought these things for bad weather security and not necessarily off-root use the research they conducted determined that the vast majority of those four wheel drive SUVs and perspective trucks never saw any off-road use.
Of course AMC wasn't the only one that did research other companies had conducted a lot of research especially when it came to pick up trucks because pickup truck sales actually went up in the early eighties because everybody had a aha moment that told the pay trucks are cheap transportation because that's what they used to be because they were more so farm use and other assorted work related projects.
So basically what the industry had is over 40 years of data that says the mass majority of these vehicles are never going to see off-road use and they're never going to be used in any real serious work applications and they knew about this even in the 90s at that time they had a little over 10 years of market research that told this so it was only a matter of time before every manufacturer would build these things to a scale of economy that basically says they don't have to build them as tough as they used to because the vast majority of the customers are never going to use them for those applications.
That's basically what's going on that's why they basically turn to pick up truck into an oversized minivan with truck bed on the back a very small one.
Had that Dad or not then the automakers would most likely still be building them in much with the exception of some EPA regulations now they of course cover their ass and you're more than welcome to pay much more money for the model or two up that would be capable of hire towing capacities and hauling capacity the bad part is even though you pay more you're probably still getting some four-door extended cab tiny truck bed arrangement the difference is perhaps it has a slightly beefed up frame and it might have a bigger inch and it might have slightly different suspension under it that makes towing an RV a lot easier and that you would have better handling with but it still has a giant fucking cell phone jammed into the dash and it still has all kinds of other electric junk that will break basically the life of most of that shit is somewhere it about 6 to 10 years before it really starts going completely wonky.
Most automakers even little AMC I knew the truth behind not just four wheel drives but trucks and SUVs in general in the early eighties and they knew that the city people were buying these things up and they knew that most of these vehicles would never see any real actual work or off-road applications and it was only a matter of time before they would strip out a lot of the build qualities that made them rough and gruff.
@@American-Motors-CorporationYou make a great point. Trucks became minivans on a frame with a small bed because most buyers drive them to go work in a cubicle. Then as manufacturers saw how many people were buying lift kits trucks started getting taller to a point they are practically useless if you need to work out of the bed on a daily basis. Modern trucks are the men's version of an expensive purse. Overpriced and a 10 dollar bag can be more capable. They are built to flex on people the other guys at the office.
Hey, James, up here in Kingsport. I know this subject is about trucks but you mentioned owning a van.
I bought a 1984 Dodge B150 cargo van about five years ago. I paid $1700 for it and I've put about 14,000 miles on it. I bought it to haul stuff in it, although my dream intensions were to make a boogie van out of it but that never really happened. I had to put a back seat in it because I got kids. But otherwise, I'd remove it so I could haul even more stuff. Having a rear seat only gives me about 8 feet of cargo space. I can haul plywood in it.
I've hauled I couldn't tell you how much stuff in it. Garbage, building materials, furniture. It has been more useful than a truck because of the cargo space. Only downside is I couldn't have a load of gravel dumped in it. I usually make a trip once to the dump. I don't know what I'd do without it.
I like the simplicity of the Slant 6, one barrel carburetor. Manual transmission, levers for the heater. No touch screen. The only two things I wish it had was power steering and air conditioning. Those would be nice. But otherwise, it's a work van. I've tried to spruce it up a bit with some used Jeep Wrangler rims and seats from a conversion van.
Uses a bit of oil and gets 9/14 mpg but hey, I didn't have to pay $50,000 for a new base Transit or a used Transit with 200,000 miles for $16,000. I'd like to have a Transit but can't afford one.
This may be apples to oranges but the inflation calculator says a base 6 cylinder Ford E series cargo van from 1980 with a manual transmission and no amenities would cost around $9,000 in today's money. Yet a new Transit starts at $50,000 and other than power door locks, power steering, radio and A/C I don't think it has as many options as these new trucks do like power heated seats and stuff like that.
The demise of body on frame mid size SUVs have pushed people to trucks. Bring back the Xterra, monterro, blazer etc.
A real SUV is built like a truck with a full frame under it. Without being RWD and having a full all steel rigid frame what you have is a "tall car" and nothing more.
What about the Toyota 4 Runner? Is it a viable modern option for body on frame style SUV?
How to buy a new pickup truck:
1. test drive a truck from the dealer lot.
2. rob a bank and load the bed with bags of cash
3. return to the dealer lot and pay for the truck in cash, assuming you cleared about $80,000 from the heist.
Sell your house and buy two cars
Good luck finding enough space to fill up your 4.5ft bed with 80k!
This is an excellent essay on the state of the modern pickup truck and how it has become an overpriced status symbol instead of the useful vehicle it once was.
Disgusting isn't it?
It's still useful if you use it the way it's intended. I use mine just about w eryday. Homesteader and blue collar with a 2020. It's not even hard to fix either.
@@brandonbarnes8997 the most common complaint I hear is the cost vs usefulness. $70 for a truck and you still have to rent a trailer?
as someone whos renovating old houses top to bottom, constantly hauling lumber, drywall, pvc plumbing, insulation, etc my 2014 f150 is perfect. i think its the last year trucks were trucks, steel body, all analog, no fancy screens no sensors, or data trackers i do wish i had a larger bed for lumber and doors, but i just drop the tailgate and strap it in, it works. but i see most trucks on the road spotless with an empty bed.
I get no greater joy in life than when I see someone in a truck driving to the airport, open bed filled with their luggage, and it's raining.
Don't know why someone would, just get a tonneau cover and turn the bed into a trunk..
They got shells for the bed or covers not that hard. It's like 300 bucks to get one.
@@brandonbarnes8997 Congrats. You now have a station wagon, but worse.
@schwarzwolfram7925 except not really cause you have alot more cargo space alot more power and off road capability and towing. Yall just try way too hard to hate. Ik a bunch of homo douce bags drive trucks and dont need them but that doesn't take away from the versatility and capability of a truck. If I don't need the shell, I loosen the clamps and take it off. If I need the tool box I put that on. If I need the full bed I take it off. If I am going through mud pits and loose gravel I put on 4 wheel drive. If I need to pull the trailer I drop it in and lock it and go.
The most common truck configuration these days is also the most useless, crew cab short bed.
My wife has one. Three kids, and the small bed is just fine for the 4 or 5 bales of hay she buys at a time. But it's a nightmare in a parking lot.
Amen
Not the most useless, my truck is a ccsb and I tow with it constantly and I have had 6 people including me in the truck
I have a 2016 Nissan Frontier, short bed. I threw a Leer cap on it and use a trailer to move big stuff. Truck is great for camping - keeps all my stuff dry.
I love REAL TRUCKS, but I can't see why so many people love these 1/2 ton Crews with a super-short bed. Oh wait, it is because they really need a full-sized station wagon, but those are no longer made.
I have a 2005 Silverado that i paid $5k for last year. It has 250k miles, all electrical stuff works (power windows/locks/lights), 4wd works, no rust, very few dents, no rips in the cloth interior, you can eat off the engine bay, it starts/runs excellently and drives great.
The only things that dont work are a few lights in the dashboard (the lights that light uo the gas gauge and engine temperature).
I wouldn't trade it for ANY new truck.🥰
Dash lights in pre 2010 vehicles are usually pretty easy to replace. Biggest thing is finding the service manual which most public libraries can get a hold of. Now some have annoying clips that you have to make sure to replace but couple hours max and you good to go.
17:18 "half the people who own theese ...pay other people to haull tgeir stuff"😂 so true
A few weeks ago I was talking with my mechanic, we were towing my RAV4 99, and he told me that he was selling his pick up truck (can't remember the model, they all look the same!) because he didn't actually needed it; the gas it was consuming was making him loose money. He pretty much told me that almost any other car can tow other cars, and I can corroborate that, cause I've often had to tow my uncle's IzuzuTrooper (a massive car) with my old 99 RAV4 and that was uphill.
Modern pick ups are just oversized trucks to carry huge egos for people with more disposable income than braincells... we need to check for lead poisoning again.
Well yeah but if the tables were turned and you were the owner of that truck and that truck broke down and then your mechanic had this RAV4 I mean level ground good weather yeah I think that your mechanics right it would tow it it would be fine uphill well I guess that depends on the size of the hill and the grade of the hill but there would be a lot of struggling going on there.
I mean if that were fully the case then most towing companies would not be investing in a big ass tow trucks so I guess if most of his clients vehicles are somewhere between a motorcycle and a RAV4 then yeah he's right he can get away with but the minute he gets a client with a big ass pickup truck he might need something more though I don't know what he plots to replace this with.
Of course I will say that there's a lot of people that came to that conclusion they don't really eat the truck but the only real reason is that they keep the truck is because they know that they are most likely going to lose some amount of money on if they sell yeah I know that right now they are commanding one hell of a price even used but that does not mean that you yourself is always going to be able to get that price.
And then of course we could say that he owns the truck out right but I don't know that he does a lot of people in that situation the reason they keep the truck is because they have it financed and the money they would get out of it by the time they pay off the loan they're not going to have enough left to actually replace vehicle so they're hopelessly locked into it now obviously he probably doesn't have this problem or he's not thinking I don't know which way that falls cuz I don't know his personal situation.
And to be honest yes I have a truck that we don't really need we needed in terms of four wheels of seat and the fact that my wife can drive an automatic transmission because the other vehicle that I currently have is an 87 Chevy Camaro with a 5-speed my wife can't drive a clutch even though she's 6 years older than me and I'm 39 so here I am the millennials that can drive a standard cuz I grew up doing that and my Gen X wife can't drive a stand it's kind of hilarious really but truck long story short basically my father-in-law was going to do some front end work to it he had it apart and then it basically said there for 4 years some friends if there's offered to take it to a garage they did the garage lied about the shape the frame and basically they tried to do rip them off out of the truck and I said no no those frames could be fixed that's bullshit so they shipped it down here to me and they said they didn't want it anymore so basically they give it to us and then I turn around and put about 3,500 but it's an 04 f150 beautiful truck hardly any rust the frame was in good shape as a precaution I had my mechanic touch it up a little bit but got a new front end under it it's a nice truck it's a daily driver that's the only reason that we have one because right now I don't actually need one I'm not in the countryside anymore trying to get back there but I'm not there yet.
No that's not everybody's deal I mean it just happened to fall in our lap and it just so happens that yeah it did take a year to get the money together to fix it but it was well worth it simply because I can't go to a car lot and buy that truck for $3,500 a truck especially last year would have cost in the neighborhood of 13 to 15,000 especially in its current state of its fixed.
I agree. The 90s & early 2000s were the last years we could buy pickups that were simple, reliable, useful, and affordable.
YEA
I love my 1999 Chevy Silverado 4x4 LS, it has the extra cab with 3 doors, and the 8 FOOT long bed! I put a level kit on it and added larger BFG's and it is awesome. Reliable, solid, and hauls everything. The last true usable trucks we made 20 years ago. Thanks for the video!
Just got a F150 2013 ecoboost, I can’t see anything around me
Trucks should be a tool, simple, like a cart, or a wheelbarrow. I don’t want an $80,000 computer. That’s why I bought a 1993 Dodge d150. Just enough truck.
I see many "$80k computers" hauling on the road for the stuff I do. Then you run into the problem of $20-40k "real trucks". Paying top dollar for old pile of rust, forget it....
@@ljmorris6496 Good thing I paid $500
@@Zestypanda $500 for a '93 Dodge D150? You still got ripped off.
@@GodprefersDiesels Lmao how so
@@GodprefersDiesels Still waiting on how I got ripped off.
As someone who only owns old Ford pickup trucks, and I'm talking 80's and 90's F series trucks, I feel the pain. Trucks just aren't trucks anymore.
I second this
79 F150 with a 351W is the peak truck for me. Hell, even a Chevy Luv would outlast this modern garbage.
That commercial was an unpleasant surprise
Mans is just tryna make some cheddar 🧀