ITALIAN CONVERSATION ABOUT GRIKO IN PUGLIA | THE INCREDIBLE STORY OF A UNIQUE COMMUNITY IN SALENTO
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 16 เม.ย. 2024
- Did you know that some people in Italy didn't learn Italian as their first language?
Today we are in Sternatia, Puglia. This town has a very unique story because there is still a generation of people living here that grew up not speaking Italian as their first language - or even their second language! We are talking about the Griko speakers of Salento.
Usually in Italy people grow up learning both Italian and their regional dialect from the area where they're from. Neapolitans grow up speaking Italian and Napoletano, people from Palermo learn Italian and Palermitano, in Venezia they learn Italian and Veneziano, and so on. But in the Grecìa Salentina, people used to learn Griko first, their local dialect second, and only later in life they'd learn Italian.
People in this video agreed to share some of their stories and experiences growing up as Griko speakers in Sternatia, Puglia. We found their stories to be truly unique and hope you'll appreciate the personal and genuine perspectives of their life experiences.
Join us as we learn about the town and people of Sternatia!
Special thanks to Anna & Francesco for being part of such an amazing day of filming!
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The phrases,the faces, the gestures, the way they dress is like seeing my grandparent and his friends in the village in Greece. I wish health and prosperity to every single one.
I'm greek and I've been seriously learning Italian for the last 6 months. I couldn't help but get a bit emotional hearing the beautiful poem from the last kind grandpa in the end, such an incredible combination of the two languages I love (greek and italian). I just can't wait to visit Italy in the upcoming years, to speak this amazing language that I'm learning with the locals and I really want to visit South Italy as well, to see the towns where Griko is spoken, to hear this gem of a language for myself.
We really are una faciaa, una razza 🇬🇷❤️🇮🇹
Thank you for this comment Anastasia. It's really great to know that not only you're studying Italian, but that you're also planning on visiting so many beautiful places such as the Grecìa Salentina in Puglia. We really hope you'll have an amazing experience when visiting Italy!
amica, i am a kurd in turkey i speak italian. i congratulate for your choice. it's such a great language
Καλησπέρα, Αναστασία. Μια από τα ίδια!😊😊
Μπορώ να σου προτείνω βιβλία αν θες. Εγώ έκανα ιταλικά στην ευρώ διάσταση
@@user-wp2cy6qg7d Ευχαριστώ πολύ! Κάνω ιδιαίτερα μαθήματα πάντως οπότε νομίζω είμαι καλυμμένη, είναι πολύ ωραία μέχρι τωρα
One face one race❤ and as an italian from Napoli (ancient Neapolis) it's an honor
Anche per noi , amico mio
Thank you for this video! I'm greek-italian, born and live in Germany. I speak fluent greek but not so much italian, although i understand a lot. It is very moving to hear Griko. Please don't lose this heritage. ❤
Thank you so much Manu! We're glad you enjoyed the video!
My grandmother is from Sternatia, and she still remembers a lot of griko words. Unfortunately, we haven't been taught about griko unless some minor school projects.
❤❤❤ ΚΑΛΗΣΠΕΡΑ ΣΕ ΟΛΟΥΣ ΣΑΣ ΑΠ0 ΑΘΗΝΑ ΕΛΛΑΔΑ ..... ΚΑΙ ΕΜΕΙΣ ΜΙΛΑΜΕ ΓΚΡΙΚΟ .... ΧΑΙΡΕΤΙΣΜΑΤΑ Π0ΛΛΑ + ΑΓΑΠΗ !!! ❤❤❤
No shit? You Greccos speak Greek too?
❤️
This was absolutely beautiful and a very important subject. As a second generation American with Italian speaking parents, they did not want us learning Italian as they said they spoke dialect. We learned French in school. I am now learning Italian and loving it. I will be visiting this beautiful area of Puglia. Thank you so much for this video.
Maria, thank you for this comment.
That's a very common story for immigrant families that migrate(d) to the US. And apparently, even in small towns like Sternatia something very similar happened with Griko, dialect, and Italian.
Thank you for sharing your family experience with us!
Thank you molto!
Civilisations, cultures, are like drops of water on a lake. They create concentric waves. Where the waves of two different drops meet you get interesting patterns... Being Greek, it brings tears to my eyes that the language of Homer is still spoken in southern Italy. I always felt close to the Italians of North and South. You are human centred like us Greeks. The Human being is at the centre. This is not the case in Northern Europe. The State has to take care of the individual there if the individual is in difficulty. We feel the obligation to look after a weak member of our community. Let's try and teach those values to our children... Greetings to our Italian brothers. Lets try to build a strong Europe for the future of our children.
I need a compilation of them just speaking griko, it sound so cool! especially as a Cypriot greek speaker, im curious how much i can rly undrstand them, coz so far from what ive heard them say ive sorta understood to a degree what is being said.
Ciao! What a touching tribute to the language (il grico) and the folks who keep it alive! Such a feel-good video! Grazie di cuore!
I am amazed that I could understand almost everything they said in Griko.
Griko is almost like speaking Greek language but with a heavy accent.
I would like to visit this place one day!
greetings from Greece :)
I can probably understand some 60-70% of what they are saying. If they speak slower and/or I see it written and have time to think, I'd probably understand most of it. Give me a couple of months to live among them and I'd understand everything. I think at 17:30 when this half-professor guy says something that's translated "learn it from birth", what he's literally saying is "learn it with the milk that we sucked". Which is the same thing, but it's also a very greek expression to denote "from birth". Thanks for the nice video.
Same here, Greek is my second language; Mom’s side of the family were from Asia Minor so I heard it a lot but we didn’t speak it at home. I taught myself and then lived in Greece for several years. So not quite native… Still I understand a lot of what they say. Some of the pronunciations are a bit odd at first but the ear adjusts. Definitely not as hard as a heavy Cypriot or Pontic dialect! I’d love to visit this place while these older guys are still around.
At 4:07 . "O ciurimo" = My dad. We use the same in Cyprus "Ο τζύρης μου".(Phonetically sounds the same). In modern greek it translates "Ο κύρης μου" but it is not common to be used in greece to refer to the father I think. Maybe in some areas or villages.
The dying of regional languages is one of the saddest facts of our modern world
The fact that the town has (or had) two parallel but autochthonous tongues, totally mindblows me. Also the consequent natural trilinguism of this people.
As a monolinguistic Spanish-speaker, I struggle to understand it.
Interesting! When I started elementary school, first grade, the teacher called in my parents for a conference, her problem was that she did not understand me when I spoke. I only knew Greek and this was in the early 60’s. Well bilingual today with a bit of Italian thrown in, worked a few years in an authentic restaurant in the early 70’s. We picked up a bit of the important words for food while talking with the chef and cooks who were all from Italy.
Well that was very interesting. Thank you for this history lesson.
Thank you Steve! We had a great time in Sternatia. Such an incredible story
Greetings from Cyprus, "o ciurimo" in cypriot dialect "o tziris mou" , imanamo in cypiot/greek "i mana mou"
I love these videos of the different griko towns
In fondo... siamo fratelli con i Greci. ''una faccia, una razza'' e, per quanto mi riguarda, è un'onore.
Sarai fratello te, l'Italia ha 60 milioni di abitanti e anche un centro e un nord, non solo il meridione. Una faccia una razza e' stato inventato dai greci, nessuno in Italia ha mai coniato quel detto. Io sono molto piu' vicino geneticamente ai francesi e agli spagnoli come i catalani, quindi parla per il meridione. Grazie,
@@alessandrom7181 bravo!
@@alessandrom7181Quindi? appurato che ti sei svegliato con la voglia di scrivere e di far sapere al mondo la tua preparazione in geografia, cosa ne traiamo dalla notizia che non ti senti vicino alla Grecia ma a tutta la lista di nazioni e aree geografiche che hai elencato? sinceramente mi sovviene che la Grecia abbia contribuito ben di più come arte e cultura rispetto le popolazioni (barbare) che hanno popolato nello stesso tempo storico il nord, o sbaglio? (no, non sbaglio)
Di conseguenza, sentiti pure vicino a chi vuoi tanto, sia del mio parere, sia del tuo, penso che non importi proprio a nessuno.
Ps: io sono di Milano, quindi nord giusto?.... posso stare tranquillo?
@@kio6697 Si dice che i Romani conquistarono la Grecia, ma i Greci conquistarono l'anima dei Romani; onde il periodo Greco-Romano, una fusione tutta Meditarranea.
Ma il rapporto di "odio-amore" iniziò ben prima, e permane tuttora.
@@kio6697 più o meno come noi appuriamo che di sto claim ridicolo della faccia razza ci avete frantumato i 3/4 di minchia.
Non esiste nessuna razza e se i greci hanno qualche connessione genetica è solo con abitanti di poche regioni del sud.
Non vedo nessuno inneggiare con mantra ridicoli all'Austria perché in alto Adige e Friuli hanno eredità austriache mi sembra, né in valle d'Aosta e Piemonte con la Francia.
Parlare poi nel 2024 ancora di chi millenni fa ha portato la cultura a chi, onestamente fa un po' ridere, per carità la storia è importantissima e l'eredità culturale europea odierna è e dovrebbe essere di dominio pubblico, ma tirare fuori la questione oggi per giocare a chi ce l'ha più lungo ha del ridicolo, vai a vedere oggi lo stile di vita, l'economia, il senso civico, l'istruzione in Grecia e in sud Italia, confrontali con Scandinavia, Islanda, Germania, poi vieni a dirmi chi sono oggi i "barbari".
Ps. "un'onore" andrebbe senza apostrofo.
Non conoscevo questo dialetto/lingua. Bella scoperta e e persone che avete intervistato sono meravigliose!
Sono una decina i Comuni che formano la " Grecia salentina", con la corrispondente parlata.
So interesting! Thank you 😊
This was fantastic
Grazie, video troppo interessante!
Εξαιρετικά συγκινητικό !!!!!
Gli italiani sono stupendi. Saluti dalla Grecia. 😊😊
Ciao è da poco che vi seguo, non so bene l'inglese ma metto i sottotitoli, complimenti per la qualità dei contenuti e la bravura e nei rapporti.
Ciao Matteo, grazie mille del messaggio. Siamo contenti i sottotitoli siano utili. Anche noi abbiamo imparato diverse lingue col tempo, e da studenti trovare un video con i sottotitoli era sempre una notizia fantastica!
History-wise, the area was contested for centuries between byzantine greeks, north african arabs and western christians (who finally prevailed). Contested in those time, of course meant a lot of destruction, looting, death and captivity/slavery. So when the situation stabilised a bit under byzantine control, the byzantines repopulated the area with settlers from parts of the greek world that had spare population. I've found a reference that around 890 AD basileus Basil I resettled 3000 greeks from the area of Patras to south Italy. I'm sure there are other occations, as the byzantines did that a lot. They moved people around, rewarded their faithful subjects with better land elsewhere, or in newly pacified territories, or to better control trouble spots. They had very conscious and targetted settlement policies. I'm guessing it's more plausible that these people are descendants of those times, rather than all the way back to Magna Grecia.
This scene happened when we went to my grandfather's hometown and asked about any people with surnames in my family....before long, 7 people were gathered around chatting.
È importante avere la consapevolezza che un tale bene culturale non può essere perduto. Le nuove generazioni potranno imparare il griko da chi ancora lo parla.
Da Italiano ti ringrazio mi hai fatto conoscere una curiosità di cui avevo scarne notizie
On 17:48 . The translation is. " -Only this we had. Only this language. - This is our language. We say I want to eat, I want to drink, - I want to go and shit" That's why the laughter. 😄
Thank you so much for the translation! This explains a lot 😂
I notice that in Griko the sound 'k' before a 'i' or a 'e' becomes a 'ts'/ç sound (which is also noticed in Cretan, Cypriotic and Ofis Pontic too). As a modern Greek, if you know that, you can 100% understand them.
Hopefully sites like duolingo will make more courses for dialects. Not just Griko, but sicilian, Bavarian, etc
👏👏👏👏🇮🇹🇮🇹🇮🇹🇮🇹
Η μανα μου= I mana mou= my mother
Ο κυρης μου= o kyris mou=my father.
It is ancestor-based, ancient and biblical-based and beyond.
@ 09:38 Ναι! ΝΕΡΟ, ΚΡΑΣΙ, ΨΩΜΗ. ΚΑΙ Ο ΧΡΙΣΤΟΣ ΜΑΖΙ ΣΑΣ ΠΑΝΤΑ!
Γαλα και όλα τα αγαθα ποτε να μην σας λειψουν. Να ειστε γεροι και δυνατοι! ΔΥΝΑΜΗΣ!
Οπως εγιναν τα πραγματα, θα γινουν και παλι. Ποτε δεν χανεται τίποτα. Να χαιρεσται καλοι άνθρωποι.
Η ψυχη που σας βυζανε ηταν σοφη. Να φατε και να πιειται και όλα τα αλλα...😄
Τα μάτια σας τα λενε όλα. Πολυ ομορφο το ποιησε. Και να δειτε το τραγουδι Ο ΑΓΟΥΡΟΣ ΚΑΙ Η ΚΟΡΗ που κανει αναφορα στην Μαρμαροκολωνα.
Magna Grecia 🇬🇷🇬🇷
Da toscano
Sud toscana
Sono sempre affascinato da i dialetti
In quanto qui da me non esiste un vero e proprio dialetto differente dall'italiano
Si poi abri la bocca e pharli hosi
Non è proprio così, i "dialetti" sono lingue evolutesi dal latino... l'italiano si è evoluto dal toscano non il contrario.
Tecnicamente il toscano di oggi deficita della volontà dei toscani di aver mantenuto una differenza tra lingua originale (toscano) e lingua artificiale (italiano).
Però ci vuole un attimo per fare rivivere il toscano... anche se non è uguale a quello medievale.
@@rossoblu3263certo
Però spero di aver fatto comprendere quello che volevo dire
Nella mia zona possiamo avere una cadenza ma non esistono modi di chiamare una cosa che siano diversi da quelli che troveresti nel vocabolario
Discorso diverso in alta Toscana dove a Firenze hanno un modo tutto loro di usare gli articoli e altre cose
C’è da dire che in Italia c’è tanta varia
Mi chiedo se anche in altri paesi ci sia così tanta varietà
Non so se quelle persone vi hanno informato che esiste una canzone in griko, il titolo è : "kalinifta". È l'inno di noi salentini
Si assolutamente. Canzone iconica.
Loro sono stati gentilissimi. Ci hanno detto così tante cose che avremmo potuto montare un video di almeno un'ora
I salentino erano e sono messapi iliri,favole con greko-bizantino dite ai animali.
Θελω να πιω θελω να παω να χεσω😂😂😂😂😂😂. Ωραιος
Una cosa che mi ha colpito : loro chiamano il padre : tata. Io , discendo da Greci di Trebisonda , citta stabilita dai Greci il 740 avanti Cristo , che chiamano il padre tatia...
What you're calling dialects, are sometimes (most times) completely different languages. Napolitano for one isn't a dialect but a different language
Magna Grecia in Antiquity and then Byzantine Empire in the Middle Ages...Majority of south italians have Greek roots.
From Cyprus and mother tonque is Greek. but Cyprus dialect has a lot of common words - I understand most of them when they were talking in Griko.!!
In Sicily we have recipes very similar to yours. Una faccia una razza.
these guys are the last remnants of Magna Grecia, they are the descendants of Pythagoras
Accent is similar to the accent they have in Crete speaking Greek
The man speaking the most seems to speak standard Italian very clearly ?
I am not fluent at all but I can hear the words very clearly .
American of Italian background but only standard Italian lessons no family dialect
Training .
Ciuri viene dal greco medievale κύρης (kýris) che a sua volta è una variante popolare di κύριος (kýrios) = signore.
😅 se ieri questi signori parlavano in Arbëreshë !!!...Cu'se' un (loj) gioco?😢😅 comunque bravi dì custodire tante lingue.
When did this population immigrate in Italy and for what reason.?What's their history?
14:27 and 17:56 The only Greek (Griko) you can here in this video.
it's all Greek to me! :)
@fjdkfdfjdf33 LOL, well, "all" is a Greek word. Pronounced olo (masculine) oli, (femenine) ola (plural) etc...
Greek is name invented by Romans and no, it's not all Greek. Hellenes vanished from history more than 2000 years ago.
@@alessandrom7181according to the turcoalbanian propaganda
@@alessandrom7181 LOL. That's the funniest thing I have heard today. I suppose that when the Hellenes vanished, aliens came to the Aegean basin and re-colonized Greece including the islands and magically decided to call themselves Hellenes and speak Greek. This was obviously a command by Zeus, who threw some thunderbolts down from Olympus to make that happen. BTW, the Hellenes are alive and kicking in Italy if you bother to check out Calabria and the area around Puglia who still speak 'Griko'. You might also want to research the Hellenes who live in Albania and Vardaskar and then enlighten us with where they came from.
If there's one of many great things that the Greeks did it was to write about their own as well as the rest of the known world which provides us with a great platform to learn before we shame ourselves in public displays of ignorance based on coffee shop talk by some Albanian or Vardaskan goat herders.
@@alessandrom7181 LOL. If the Hellenes vanished then who are the people living in Greece now? Did aliens magically appear in Greece and were suddenly overcome by an urgent need to speak Greek? And these aliens must have been very clever because they also made themselves contain R1B1b 'Greek' DNA.
Imanamo = I mana mou (Η μάνα μου). This is pure Greek.
Assurdità che li il greco fosse vietato a scuola e in tutti i licei sia obbligo, ma insegnato malissimo, quasi punizione per gli studenti
o ciurimu= o kyris mou, o kyrios mou in greek
Nomizo oi Sud Italians einai 100% katharoi Ellines.
There's no regional dialect. Salentino dialect is only spoken in Salento.
I was born in Germany and learned salentino with my dad. When I went back for holidays to Salento last year, people where impressed because young people in Salento don't speak salentino anymore. People from slSalento wanted me to speak salentino. Crazyyy
Amazing video. I don't want to be bitter but let's not forget that during its dictatorship period (mainly, but not only), Italy commited crimes against these minorities by repressing them, a sort of ''cultural genocide'', by making it extra difficult (banishment from schools and public services etc..) and by repressing their right to speak their mother language...
tata vuol dire ,papa in albanese .
Mussolini at some time made it illegal to Not speak Italian in these areas
False, not there.
The attitude that speaking a second language, or even dialect, is “harmful” to the national language is really unfortunate. More than the language itself, it’s the attitudes that are harmful. In Germany there are many different dialects in various dialect groups. Some are so different that you would not understand them with only Hochdeutsch. Everyone learns official German, but they generally love their regional dialects too. Absent is the idea that speaking a dialect equals ignorance. That’s an attitude that generally comes along with nationalism; even if it doesn’t reach the point of all-out banning other languages or dialects, it makes people ashamed of their own culture and heritage.
Peccato che essendo rimasti tutti anziani e i giovani emigrati all'estero non resterà più nulla.
That has nothing to do with Hellenes btw, ( Greek is a name given by Romans..) it has to do with Byzantines, who were Greeks, Armenians and Pontic Greeks ( So part Turkish) larping as Romans who had to flee from Ottomans, infact Griko is far more similar to modern Greek than to that of Hellenes ( Who were very different from modern Greeks)
I do notknow what is your motiveandwhat you tryto say These things you say are the beliefs of turcoalbanians as recently are stealing other people's history and culture and the have made the arbaresh to think thatthey are albanians ......😊
Have you seen a languageof a written fishery of3500 years Notton have evolved.?
@@dimitriosvlissides5781 Only albanians or vardaskans go online and spout ignorant nonsense as much to f0oI themselves as everyone else. But you are 100% correct that this is because they have no history and feel the need to steal it. Of course, if I had to choose a history to steal then I would steal it from the country that has the richest history of all.
I am greek cypriot and i understand almost everything when they speak griko,ask any turkalbanian if they understand one world
😂😂Pontos Greeks have nothing to do with Turkish people. The land named now Karadeniz in Turkey was named Pontos, which was occupied by Turks. After the genocide 100years ago the Christian Pontians people who survived went to Greece.
Programma inutile propaganda.
Sternatia è Salento, non puglia.
In antico era Calabria Salentina ma ora va di moda cambiare per esempio Lucania = Basilicata