I Sealed The Oil Sump With Gasket Maker, On This Toro Mower Instead Of Using A Gasket.
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Thanks for watching. This mower was leaking oil, so I resealed the oil pan using gasket maker instead of a paper gasket, and I hate to say it, but I might have made a mistake.
It's a lawn mower, it's not going into space. You did it the right way! It sounded reasonably stable once it the carb filled up. A new plug, maybe cleaning the jets might get a tiny little bit more out of it but it sounds like it's more than ready to go out into the world again.
you make a good point. I'm really happy you're here to talk some since into me.
@@INSIDEHOUSEGARAGE I have no doubt you were already thinking the same thing 🙂
@@INSIDEHOUSEGARAGE sense :)
As for your engine missing issue, I agree with a couple of other commenters that the valves may need attention, but I think there may be another issue. I noticed what may be an inline, in tank fuel filter when you removed the fuel line from the tank. It may be clogged and it’s easy enough to remove the fuel line again, pull out the filter and back flush it. Also replace that suspect air filter.
I think you're right, I'll have to take a look.
Great job as usual. Ive actually replaced the sump gasket on these machines, at least three that I can remember. After a replacement and cleaning the carburetor, oil and filter, you have a almost new machine. good Job. Keep making the videos. You are patient and explain what needs to be said. Thanks.
Thank you Mart Trev for the comment, I appreciate it a lot.
It is always so nice to watch a video from yours. They make my day
You are so kind and I appreciate the time you spend here.
Good fix! As one viewer mentioned earlier the inline filter could be an issue worth checking out.
I believe it was Steve’s SE Saloon who had a video where he opened up the pilot jet with a micro drill bit.
I have been doing that ever since with good results.
Beyond that, and maybe a new air filter, I wouldn’t spend too much more time on it. I’d still call this one a win!
Cheers
I have heard of the idea, but I would have to do more research to see if there are any issues, going too big.
So, my son in law has this same type of mower, Toro with Kohler engine he bought new and no one has ever worked on it. He told me it no longer started. I took covers off and found the choke linkage missing! After the machinations you went through to remove the linkage; I am at a loss as to how the linkage dis-appeared! I simply put a hand choke on it and now it starts fine. ALWAYS enjoy your videos; very informative.
very Nice, thank you Lawrence Carroll.
Oh no I just purchased a brand new Kohlar HD 655 , made in 2023. Will have to check to see if they have changed anything from
Previous years.
I had the same mower and it was great for the first season. I winterized the mower like I always do and the 2nd season the carb/auto choke started causing problems. I tried everything to solve the problem and didn't have any luck. I just didn't want to spend the money on a new carb and auto choke system because I noticed that lots of people online seemed to have the same problems so I gave the mower away and bought a new mower without a Kohler motor. I just think it's a poor design to save money. New Toro with a B&S motor is running like a champ! Great video and maybe it will help some people with this piece of junk mower.
thank you Chris Hayes for the information.
I would leave it the way it is. Great repair 👍🙏👍🙏
thank you RayFpv.
Gasket maker is good if used correctly. I have used it in several applications. There are cars on the road that don't use gaskets in a few places. They use anaerobic sealants instead. In the case here, what you used has done the job.
thank you Christopher Marshall.
agreed, sometimes, RTV is fine for the job
Those Kohler choke linkages are a real nuisance. I have not found an easier way to get them off, but I do see that Kohler seems to list 2 different carb options for these engines. I think in future design, they dropped the vacuum part from them. I've also had the surging issue on many Kohler of this size, until the choke fully opens - theirs seem to take forever to fully open compared to Honda/Briggs.
Thanks for the info Matt Wickert
Working in the same mower at this time, same issues. Good video.
Thanks 👍
Yep carb cleaning and new coil fixed it up 😊
First, I noticed that the float didn’t appear quite parallel to the carb body in the up position. Next, go to Harbor Freight and get an ultrasonic cleaner for cleaning jets and emulsion tubes. Just be careful with 2 stroke carbs as it can destroy a small check valve inside the carb that you can’t replace. My Troy Bilt still wouldn’t run after cleaning with wires and carb spray. I disassembled it and gave it the ultrasonic treatment and now it runs great. Money well spent.
you are correct the float was NOT parallel, so that might be an issue and thanks for the observations
IMHO I think you should check it out and see why it's not running smoothly, if you'd gonna sale it who ever buys it might end up having issues down the road because of it. I'm pretty sure you don't want it coming back after the sale. Awesome job as always. Thank you for sharing your content
that makes sense, thank you Gary Allen.
I’ve been using Threebond 1184 successfully for various applications. Some of the manufacturers have their own versions, although I haven’t used them yet, including Hondabond and Yamabond. Stihl uses Dirko. I also have a red RTV I’ve used a little. The two I’ve used have slightly different characteristics when applying. One suggestion I received for using the Threebond was to apply a very thin film to both surfaces, allow to set up overnight and then apply a thin film of motor oil so it’s possible to disassemble in the future with destroying the gasket. I haven’t had a chance to test out disassembling yet but first chance I get I’ll see what happens. 👍🔧
now that's a pretty interesting technique.
I've actually had a pretty good experience with the Kohler on my Recycler. Got the mower for free, had to clean the carb, and it's run strong ever since. Mine also has a far less complicated autochoke, no vacuum. I think it actually uses the cooling fins from the flywheel to choke the carb if I remember correctly.
For yours, seems pretty good overall. I probably would chase that slight misfire myself, but it probably won't cause any serious issues. I'd just replace the flywheel key, check valve lash, and double check the carb. Sometimes those flywheel keys just get partially sheared or worn, and it can mess with the timing just enough.
all very good advice, thank you NerfCraft.
It looks and sounds good to me. It's not like you need to worry about running smoothly at 75mph on the freeway. 😇
you make a great point!
If Stella says good....it's good
I used a electric engraver and made a line all around sump surface and Honda bond to seal it, worked great 😊
interesting idea
Yeah I have one of those toro with the Koehler motor on it! I have tried everything I know to get mine to stop that little bit of surging!
that's what this one is doing, I wish I could find the answer too.
When you remove the governor spring and throttle control and the bracket holding the choke lever pull the carb straight back and it’ll come off the choke linkage. It’s a pain in the ass but I just had to fix one where somebody pull the black lever off of the choke arm and it took me forever to get it right. The idle jet was clogged and the bowl nut leaked. It was a pia to fix but glad I had the parts from a junk mower so didn’t cost me a thing other than a $5 air filter and I made $120
thanks for the information
Great work ❤
Thanks ✌️
Sounds pretty good to me. I like you would like things to be just right however, let’s be happy with it. Good job.
thank you Mario Cestra.
Hello Again, to answer your question, just leave as is. You have got a functional mower. You did a great job overall. ⚙🔧 Perhaps, add some fuel injector cleaner or other gas additive to clean out even the tiniest of orifices. Maybe that will help make it run a bit better.
makes sense, thank you Mr G.
I would say inspect that fuel fliter in the tank and the air fliter and since a ohv probably the valves as well. look forward to the fix if it comes out on video
thank you Turningwrenches85
I would check the flywheel key .I just had a mower that started on the first pull but had a slight miss and it ended up being the key. You should be able to remove that carb without unhooking the muffler side .
that's a good idea.
Hey bro what's up? In my opinion, I believe that you did great on this mower. Whatever little hickups it have will probably clear up in a little while.
I think you're right. thank you Ramadin Sookhoo.
Well look at you getting it done (try another spark plug?)! Helpful video, though viewers may want to open another tab for their music taste. I have a Sum 41 playlist going today. You too can go back to 2001. :)
that's not a bad idea, here I am trying to look for something it might not be, instead of looking at the simple stuff. thanks for the reminder.
its almost always better to dig in. for the experience alone. in case a customer comes in with the same issues.
you make a good point.
Looks good to me.. Question, Do you buy your fuel line in a roll or bulk or just when you need it by the foot? Ty
in bulk by several feet, if not a large roll. Luckily the last one I got, was only 25 feet, and I'm about half way thru it.
Good day I would leave it the way it is , it may get worse then fix. I don't know how big your lawn is or your plans for the mower. Thanks
I believe you are correct, thank you Don Voll.
Just wondering if bowl gasket and jet gaskets universal thanks have a tech 3.5 lazyboy leaf vac chipper and need gasket’s but can’t find a kit could use your help thanks
no they are not universal. I find the Tecumseh's are a different size, than briggs or Kohler.
Hello so I have a weed eater featherlite trimmer that I just serviced and cleaned the carburetor and when I try to adjust the carb it doesn’t make a difference do you know what the problem is?
the only thing I can guess, is an internal carb issue. If it was mine, I would just replace the carb instead of spending time, trying to track it down.
How do the seals fail, do they just get dry or maybe a manufacturer error with them
I don't know, but I doubt it's an issue of Dryness, only because the inner part, would be making contact with the Oil. When looking a the pan and gasket, I didn't see, any signs of failure but that's because I damaged the gasket, taking it apart.
Check the spark plug. It might need to be replaced or at least cleaned and gaped again?
that's a good idea. thank you .
Maybe change the spark plug to get a little bit better running but to my untrained ears, it sounds good. Maybe run a little bit of that carb cleaning stuff through the fuel system, to help clean out varnish, but I would say you did a good job.
possibly, I'm just afraid it's the engine.
@@INSIDEHOUSEGARAGE That's always a possibility, you're absolutely right, but the absolutely worst case scenario is the engine dies and you have parts. An alternative is to get a Harbor Freight engine. Me personally I would gladly pay $300 for it with a new engine. Now that's just me, but with a decent mower these days running $400, and toro mowers running close to $500, $300 is a bargain.
Any difference with the air filter off. You said it was in need of replacing.
actually you make a good point, I'll have to try, thank you Thomas Roche.
I’m a year late commenting on this, however, just throw some seafoam or a fuel system cleaner in the gas tank and let that clean the carburetor the rest of the way. Otherwise check your valve lash and adjust that if you need to as well as the spark plug being replaced and gap correctly.
you know I've heard that before, I'm going to have to try that, because I'm no a fan of "bottle fixes" Thank you for the idea.
I make sump gaskets with cereal boxes- very easy- never had one fail- I can make one in less than 2 minutes
I was considering it but I didn't have any boxes Available , thank you Army Vet.
Another thing a sharp blade does is “cut” the grass instead of tearing the grass and a cleaner cut leads to less stress for the grass and less die back and brown spots.
I could be talking out my butt but that was what I was told.
you are correct.
Hi what to do with a Stihl weed eater when it is getting hot
is it doing something wrong, when it get's hot? it's an air cooled engine, so it's going to get very warm when using it.
Make sure you are using an oil with zinc in it these small engines.
Great tip!
What is the actual size flat head to remove the emulsion tube?
the emulsion tube doesn't require a certain size flathead to remove it, It just needs to be pushed down and out of the carb. almost any size works.
People like the Kohler engines on them, but are unwilling to pay more for them. I pull the cover off and unhook the auto choke. But I'm seeing less of them and more variations of the Chinese engines. I would fix it, being a Toro it will sell.
I can see why they would disable them, thank you Casey B's Zombie Mowers.
Check valve clearance.
that's the next plan. thank you 2000K
I had a mower with a similar engine and the hole that the linkage goes in on the choke and connects to the to the thermostat broke
did you ever fix it?
@@INSIDEHOUSEGARAGE no I keep running it for a while
Just warning about that brand fuel line it has a tendency to get very hard once fuel has gone through it. Although besides that it seems to hold up ok.
I just figured it out for myself after having seen some comments as well. Yes it definitely had a tendency to shrink, so I'm having to cut the lines longer, to make up for it. I'll be sure to buy a quality line, next time.
Although I can hear the miss I am under the impression most people would hear it running and think it is good enough the only other thing you could do is replace that air filter and or check the clearances on the valves but as I said before most people would hear the engine running and think that is good enough... Not saying good enough is a good work ethic however time and place
you're right, thank you zerocool6370.
i have a craftsman weed wacker (Craftsman 71119 25cc 2-cycle) but when you give it throttle it stutters and backfires out the carb. Why might this be?
there's too much much, that It's coming out the carb, and igniting , I would replace the carb.
@@INSIDEHOUSEGARAGE Cool thanks
no problem
I would personally leave it how it is and not mess with success!
you make a great point.
I would leave it the way it is Bud.
thank you Jason Runyon.
Ya know, maybe it’s just my bad luck or something but I’ve NEVER been able to get one of those Kohler engines to run satisfactorily. Every single one I’ve ever had seems to have a little “skip” or a “miss”, kind of a hiccup that I just can’t seem to track down. Carb completely cleaned, flywheel key good, valve lash right on spec, fuel tank filter / vent / hose good, brand new spark plug and coil, brand new carb and still no joy. It should be pretty easy to track down but it happens to me every time so I don’t buy them anymore. I don’t know if they’re supposed to run like that and I’m being overly sensitive about it or what but it really bothers me. Good luck to you, I hope you find the issue!
Thank you mjg263 they certainly seem to not age well sometimes.
Same here.
Same here. I bought new carb AND new choke assembly and it still isn’t right. I’m done for the season, as I am about to have heart bypass surgery, but next year my plan is to ditch the Koehler in favor of a Quantum
@@haneyoakie14 can’t go wrong with a Quantum. Good luck with your procedure!
@@mjg263 thank you. They do so many. To them, it is like cleaning the carb on a Quantum for us. Done so many, I can do one in my sleep. Off n running again gunk free.
Finding and or fixing the miss will be another weapon to your arsenal thus encountering another Koehler with the same problem you will now know what the issue is. NEXT! 👍🏼
thank you Mario V.
Kohler's moto should be just when you thought briggs sucked we made repairs more often and to a new level of failure. I love briggs Quantum and I/C.
I know what you're saying.
What oil do u use?
just cheap automotive oil, 10w-30
What causes a engine to burp?
hmm.. inconsistent fuel from the carb, a leaking valve, or maybe an inconsistent spark.
@@INSIDEHOUSEGARAGE but you know what I mean
The RPM needs lowered a tad i think, Dont want it to cause damage to the engine from high rpm
I think you're right.
You can removed the carb without removing the exhaust
hmm. trying to figure out, what you mean.
@@INSIDEHOUSEGARAGE once you removed the two torx bolts it allows for some flexibility, you can then slide the carb out a few inches which will give the Z bend in the linkage enough space to slide out of the plastic holder. It’s a tight fit but there’s enough room to make it work. Nothing wrong with taking the exhaust off, but nice when able to save some time.
If it runs and cuts the grass leave the carb be.
you make a great point TL NELSON.
Should use a gasket because of end play
yes so I've been told
Leave it alone as long as it runs.
thank you David Anderson.
I’d leave it be, as long as it runs & cuts.
thank you Mike Jones.
Just lube the recoil...
Congrats on your success with the gasket maker. Not enough info on the poor running. You said missing. Apparently, it was running prior to your fix. Had it been missing then? I would tolerate surging and some other carb type issues. Missing cannot be tolerated; causes a poor job and possibly harmful to the motor.
no, It only ran for me, during a test fire, with fuel in the carb, so no, I don't know if it was doing this before I got it started. It is tolerable however, I'm still going to check the valve lash.
@@INSIDEHOUSEGARAGE Valves are where I would begin. After sitting, I would suspect sticking / sluggish valve action. Not likely to be spark plug unless wire connector or the wire itself open and shorting. I've had good success with ATF feeing sticking valves: some directly in the cylinder and about 2 TBS added to crankcase.
It’s a little odd that you list a spark checker twice in your tool list.
one should be the spark checker, and the other a "tester", that's the one you put the plug in and watch the sparks.
You do need to sharpen a replacement blade
yes I do,.
@@INSIDEHOUSEGARAGE I really wish they were sharp from factory if I’m gunna be honest
Air cleaner box is junk and breaks often 😢😢😢
I haven't found one yet but I'll be on the look out now
Hopefully the engine is not a kohler curage😡😠
I think it's an xt650.
@@INSIDEHOUSEGARAGE okay thanks for your information on this matter young man 😎👍
Oh yea first again.
nice
Maybe Koehler should have used a real gasket
quite possibly
You’ve gone this far so why stop now? I would fix it so it runs like new.
that's the plan.
If you don't have the time to do it properly don't do it
thanks