Fixing A Hard To Start Toro Mower

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  • @rickeymitchell8620
    @rickeymitchell8620 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Love your videos! Excellent narration on the why's and how's. Always complete and to the point. I had this surging problem on a Briggs 13hp vertical riding mower. A valve adjustment solved the problem.

  • @dfields9511
    @dfields9511 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Great work. I think the older kohler engines have issues like this more often.

  • @ricknenemalo9595
    @ricknenemalo9595 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    I had a mower with the same symptoms and after going through everything, it had a bit too much oil. It didn't smoke while running but when stated, it smoked for a few seconds. Emptied oil, removed spark plug, pinched gas line, stood mower up on its side (carb down), generously sprayed carb cleaner and let sit to drip dry. Filled oil and one pull start with perfect idle. I'll be checking the rockers too for full inspections.

  • @jamesfrench7299
    @jamesfrench7299 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I have a mower with that Kohler 149cc engine 6.75 ftlb torque on the label. I found it by the side of the road and it's been sitting for at least five years untouched by me as it's starter is busted. It's a non self propelled mower but has ball bearing wheels. The mower is an Australian brand SupaSwift with four blade cutting disc and not the usual bar blade you have over there.
    I found a pair of mowers today, one with an Aussie Victa 160cc two stroke engine with rusty base and another almost identical Victa mower with a Tecumseh motor leaking oil everywhere. I'll assess the shape of each and possibly swap the two stroke over to the other one as it's body is in good shape.

    • @M.TTT.
      @M.TTT. 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      sounds like a nice project. I swapped a self-propel system to a push model on an older Snapper. Not worth the time monetarily, but it was kinda fun.

    • @jamesfrench7299
      @jamesfrench7299 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@M.TTT. and well worthwhile if you're going to use that mower yourself. Those Snapper self propelled systems are among the least troublesome. Even Honda can't get theirs right.

    • @M.TTT.
      @M.TTT. 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@jamesfrench7299 yea the old snappers are pretty heavy duty and pull well. I ended up selling it since I didn't need it. Still have a Lawn-boy to sell also, but its a bit newer.

    • @INSIDEHOUSEGARAGE
      @INSIDEHOUSEGARAGE  2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      nice, I'd be interesting to know what you do with them.

  • @dwaynecollins4974
    @dwaynecollins4974 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    I'm glad you guys give me the heads up about those E3 plugs before I actually bought one. I'm more of the NGK or champion type myself..

    • @INSIDEHOUSEGARAGE
      @INSIDEHOUSEGARAGE  2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      nothing wrong with them, I just don't buy them.

  • @lewiemcneely9143
    @lewiemcneely9143 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I've never actually used one of these plugs and use the old standby J8's or an NGK for the newer stuff but if it works, good. My pal at his saw shop has seen the bigger Kohlers, the V's with bad cams. I know Stihl 4-mix had a run of stripped cam gears and magnetos. My old stuff just keeps wheezing along. You did good and GBWYou!

    • @chrisnorden8043
      @chrisnorden8043 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Worked for a lawn mowing company doing maintenance for a minute. It was almost a daily occurrence to have to change coils on a 4-mix (FS111).

  • @0001Noah
    @0001Noah 2 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    I used e3 plugs in motorized bikes before and had no issues. I then used one in my four wheeler and it started backfiring! I was worried at first but the only thing I changed was the spark plug, so I put the ngk back in and the backfiring stopped. Won't ever use an e3 again. As far as I can tell it's a gimmick and they're very expensive, especially for a product from china.

    • @AverageJoeHotRodShow
      @AverageJoeHotRodShow 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      They are gimmicky junk. I use NGK or Denso plugs in about everything modern.

  • @curiosity2314
    @curiosity2314 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    I like that spark plug tester, going on my wish list.

    • @INSIDEHOUSEGARAGE
      @INSIDEHOUSEGARAGE  2 ปีที่แล้ว

      you'll like it, it's cool to have in the garage.

  • @tdumford1
    @tdumford1 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    I just had a cub cadet riding mower with the kohler command SV600 engine. the exhaust rocker came free and the exhaust push rod was bent. just replaced the head and hardware and its all good now.

  • @ethanmiller3935
    @ethanmiller3935 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    I have had a couple of ngk oem plugs go bad and cause rough running or not starting, but that was on two-strokes. Both started and ran great, until they didn't. One was on an echo 2620 that l had for a month or two. It was a tick rich at idle, so l leaned it up a fuzz, and so far no issues. I dont know if that was the issue, because it ran rough after cleaning the plug, put a new plug in it and all is well. Great video!!

    • @INSIDEHOUSEGARAGE
      @INSIDEHOUSEGARAGE  2 ปีที่แล้ว

      thank you Ethan Miller, no plug is going to last forever, even the NGK's need replacing sometimes.

    • @ethanmiller3935
      @ethanmiller3935 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Yeah, l replace my plugs and filters yearly, Unless they (plugs mainly) need replaced sooner. But l would expect them to last longer than a month on a brand new machine. Thanks for the response, l learn a lot from your videos!!

  • @electroddxful
    @electroddxful 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I think it could be the spark plug. Where can I get the spark plug check box? Both of your links are the same

  • @keithhorton3496
    @keithhorton3496 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    My moms mower had this issue and after changing plug to ngk and adjusting the valves that didn’t fix it. I did the same thing and checked the valves and the rocker stud came loose so I put some loctite on it and re adjusted the valves and that didn’t fix it. I then went into the carb and it was clean on inside and needle and seat were working properly and all jets were clear of debris. I found a tiny inline filter inside the fuel line so I pulled that out and spliced in an external filter like on the riding mowers and that fixed the issue. I’m guessing the inline filter was causing a small restriction of fuel supply and would cause it to surge and want to run rough but after replacing that filter there was no more issues with how it ran and it surged for a couple seconds when cold but then cleared up and ran good

  • @Markpab
    @Markpab 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I believe you can test a spark plug if you have an ohm meter. If the plug has a letter "r" in its number code, it has an inbuilt resistor between the plug cap and centre terminal - should be roughly 10k ohms, if a lot higher will weaken the spark. Plugs with no letter r have no resistor and should have no or very little resistance. Also, should be infinite resistance between the top cap and metal threads of the plug - if there's a reading the ceramic insulation is breaking down. Hope this helps.

    • @INSIDEHOUSEGARAGE
      @INSIDEHOUSEGARAGE  2 ปีที่แล้ว

      thank you Mark Pablo.

    • @Markpab
      @Markpab 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@INSIDEHOUSEGARAGE just looked up my notes regarding the plugs I've changed ( I'm into electronics, sad I know!), And new plugs range from 5.7k to 12.5k resistance ( if they have a resistor that is). I only use NGK or Champion plugs, but I've never used a generic brand, so can't comment on those.

  • @christophermarshall5765
    @christophermarshall5765 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    OEM plugs are for a reason. Personally, I would bin that plug, & fit the proper one.

  • @shawndubay4050
    @shawndubay4050 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Put a bosch iridium plug in it and that should help alot. Other than that just make sure the carburetor is clean and clear. Kohler engines have always been great to me and I have ran the heck out of them. Definitely want to get the engine speed back down to the safe rpm. Well within fifty rpms from stock should be fine for the internals connecting rod, piston, bearings and push rods.

  • @mjg263
    @mjg263 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    On any other engine I would suspect the spark plug first, however past experience tells me it is unlikely to help with the skipping on one of these. I’d still put an NGK in there, I don’t like those E3 plugs at all and I have had issues with them too.

  • @apatterson8128
    @apatterson8128 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Change the plug. It's easy enough and you will rule out a possible source of the problem. Check the gap too. Thanks IHG

    • @INSIDEHOUSEGARAGE
      @INSIDEHOUSEGARAGE  2 ปีที่แล้ว

      no problem and thank you A Patterson for your time.

  • @dougstowe2875
    @dougstowe2875 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Do you have a link to the spark plug tester or Where are you got it

  • @ramadinsookhoo6141
    @ramadinsookhoo6141 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Hey bro what's up? This mower looks a 💯% better in the after pics bro. For a used mower it looks like a new mower.

    • @INSIDEHOUSEGARAGE
      @INSIDEHOUSEGARAGE  2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      my thoughts too, thank you Ramadin Sookhoo.

  • @brianking1138
    @brianking1138 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I would definitely put the OEM plug in it and clean the carb.

  • @TheKrayusKorianis
    @TheKrayusKorianis 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    The problem with E3 plugs is inconsistent spark as the spark travels around giving incomplete burn.

    • @INSIDEHOUSEGARAGE
      @INSIDEHOUSEGARAGE  2 ปีที่แล้ว

      that's what I can see too. A regular plug works for me.

  • @beepseatsfindingfoodtreasu8756
    @beepseatsfindingfoodtreasu8756 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I just picked one up yesterday
    I drained the float bowl and tank flushed out the fuel line and replaced the air filter. It started the same way, I worked it for about a half an hour and it surged up for about five seconds and quit running. Start with the float and then look at the timing?

    • @INSIDEHOUSEGARAGE
      @INSIDEHOUSEGARAGE  5 หลายเดือนก่อน

      no, make it easy and replace the carb, fuel line, clean the fuel filter screen and clean the vent holes in the fuel cap. The timing is not the issue with this one.

    • @beepseatsfindingfoodtreasu8756
      @beepseatsfindingfoodtreasu8756 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @INSIDEHOUSEGARAGE I'll give your advise a shot. Thanks, I'll write you and let you know how it goes. Great channel.

  • @StudCity718
    @StudCity718 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Any idea why my Fwd toro lawnmower keeps getting clogged around the pulley? It gets clogged and then the wheels won't turn when I engage the self propel. Have to clean it out after every mow. Question is for the whole thread as well. Thanks.

    • @INSIDEHOUSEGARAGE
      @INSIDEHOUSEGARAGE  2 ปีที่แล้ว

      sure, is the deck clean and is the blade sharp?

    • @StudCity718
      @StudCity718 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@INSIDEHOUSEGARAGE yes I sharpened it about 3 cuts ago. No grass on the deck. I don't usually mow when grass is damp. Also I cut the grass high so I'm taking large amounts of grass at a time.

  • @therandomman6647
    @therandomman6647 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I'm curious about why you're not very fond of E3, I haven't really had any bad experience with them

    • @INSIDEHOUSEGARAGE
      @INSIDEHOUSEGARAGE  2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      It's not just E3 plugs but other Generic plugs, like it,. I would always recommend OEM plugs.

  • @Vipex_134
    @Vipex_134 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Great video!

  • @MazichMusic
    @MazichMusic ปีที่แล้ว

    I believe if the plug looks bad, it's best to install a new quality plug, such as a Champion or NGK. 4 years ago, we had a large paver project done and the contractors Stihl concrete saw crapped out one day. The worker went to the local big box store, bought a proper plug, returned and installed the new plug. One pull and the project continued on. For typically $5 or less, why gamble?

  • @pto200
    @pto200 ปีที่แล้ว

    Good video. I wish there were more follow up videos to come to some conclusions.
    Thank you.

    • @INSIDEHOUSEGARAGE
      @INSIDEHOUSEGARAGE  ปีที่แล้ว

      unfortunately most all the stuff, leaves and doesn't come back. But thanks for the suggestion

  • @ericrichardson3332
    @ericrichardson3332 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    I like using oem plug or as close as possible. Why? Because the manufacturer went through development and research as well as testing to find out what works best and performs well over time in their engines

  • @aboveaveragejoe6291
    @aboveaveragejoe6291 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    I think it is the spark plug, sometimes plain and simple plugs work better on small engines because of the small combustion chamber.

    • @INSIDEHOUSEGARAGE
      @INSIDEHOUSEGARAGE  2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      you got that right, thank you Above Average JOE, for your time.

  • @paulzacher5672
    @paulzacher5672 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    An old mechanic told me that sometimes spark plugs develop a condition called "spiders". It will short out the plug. All the cleaning in the world won't fix it. Solution is to get a new plug. I lean toward NGK plugs. Seem to have better luck than with any others

  • @shotpusher
    @shotpusher 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Do a video on how to fix the self propel thingy please.

    • @INSIDEHOUSEGARAGE
      @INSIDEHOUSEGARAGE  2 ปีที่แล้ว

      it depends what the part of the self propel you're talking about?

  • @biggreenmachine6968
    @biggreenmachine6968 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    How much would lawnmowers be before you fix them if they run like this?

    • @INSIDEHOUSEGARAGE
      @INSIDEHOUSEGARAGE  2 ปีที่แล้ว

      almost the same price, most just care, that it starts and runs, not that runs butter smooth.

  • @jameslawnmowerrepair
    @jameslawnmowerrepair 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Im looking to be directed to the video on an mtd weedeater that had an air leak and was sucking air around the cylinder and I need to see that video can someone please direct me to it

    • @INSIDEHOUSEGARAGE
      @INSIDEHOUSEGARAGE  2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I only had one do that, but unfortunately it was a poulan leaf blower.

  • @rickthelian2215
    @rickthelian2215 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Piston must be top dead centre etc on measuring valve lash..
    Answer it may be this type of spark plug as you saw it’s consistently was poor on the left, replacement to a standard spark plug may resolve the issue, but valve lash was out.

    • @INSIDEHOUSEGARAGE
      @INSIDEHOUSEGARAGE  2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      you can do it either way, I used to do it that way, but I find this way, to be almost just as good and faster.

    • @rickthelian2215
      @rickthelian2215 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@INSIDEHOUSEGARAGE I haven’t done it yet, but the time will come with one of the Honda’s or Chanda Engines.

  • @brucecoleman7412
    @brucecoleman7412 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Change the plug! It’s a cheap locally available part. If it doesn’t fix it, at least you have eliminated it as the source of the problem. There’s not much worse than spending hours hunting down a problem only to find the cheap part you decided not to replace was the source of your agony all along. My rule is always eliminate the basics, cheap, and easy possibilities first.

    • @INSIDEHOUSEGARAGE
      @INSIDEHOUSEGARAGE  2 ปีที่แล้ว

      that's a very good rule, thank you Bruce Coleman.

  • @isaacmanhire7360
    @isaacmanhire7360 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    I found a toro mower on the side off the road today it was very clean but the engine was stuck so I left it at the junk pile

    • @INSIDEHOUSEGARAGE
      @INSIDEHOUSEGARAGE  2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I would have tried to free the engine first but I understand why.

  • @watermanone7567
    @watermanone7567 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Kohler's are terrible, many issues and oil leaks, they have a leak kit for about $40 for valve cover leaks on certain models. Also blown out sump gaskets are an issue. The plug can cause issues, I always change customers plugs as part of a tune up. Check the low speed jet on the carb, that can usually be the cause of surging and hard starting. Also a partcially plugged main jet can cause poor performance. Thanks for the video.

    • @INSIDEHOUSEGARAGE
      @INSIDEHOUSEGARAGE  2 ปีที่แล้ว

      thank you Waterman one, it's definitely got a few issues.

  • @MercuryDemers2007
    @MercuryDemers2007 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I only run OEM plugs in the equipment I fix

  • @williamwhite9321
    @williamwhite9321 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Sounds like my pressure washer

  • @Turningwrenches85
    @Turningwrenches85 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    I would switch the plug and see if there is any difference

  • @juanfernandez7488
    @juanfernandez7488 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    I think it’s the spark plug and it looks like they did not keep the maintenance up on that lawnmower so I would say you should clean the car about to

  • @jackblack2557
    @jackblack2557 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Ignition coil not lined up properly is my thought causing a misfire

    • @INSIDEHOUSEGARAGE
      @INSIDEHOUSEGARAGE  2 ปีที่แล้ว

      I see, but are you referring to the air gap?

    • @jackblack2557
      @jackblack2557 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      The magnets on the flywheel and the gap between the coil might be off due to the bolts holding it in position if it has moved from a business card gap between the 2 it won't fire on the correct timing and possibly a good cleaning could be in order on the magnets and on the coil arms if dirty could cause a misfire

  • @MazichMusic
    @MazichMusic 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I would automatically change the spark plugs in your machines as a service to the buyers of the machines. They do go bad, even with a little spark. Scrimping on a normal maintenance part doesn't make sense to me.

    • @INSIDEHOUSEGARAGE
      @INSIDEHOUSEGARAGE  2 ปีที่แล้ว

      you make a good point. thank you George Mazich.

  • @williamsnow1531
    @williamsnow1531 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    I’m almost 100% sure it’s the spark plug, but then again I’ve been wrong at least a dozen times today already.

    • @INSIDEHOUSEGARAGE
      @INSIDEHOUSEGARAGE  2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      it's worth a shot, thank you William Snow.

  • @johngassett1946
    @johngassett1946 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    it is the spark plug that causes the engine to misfire

    • @INSIDEHOUSEGARAGE
      @INSIDEHOUSEGARAGE  2 ปีที่แล้ว

      it could be but on this engine, you'll need to check the valve lash as well.

  • @robertmailhos8159
    @robertmailhos8159 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    The skipping could be the spark plug . 🙄🙄??

    • @INSIDEHOUSEGARAGE
      @INSIDEHOUSEGARAGE  2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      possibly especially since it's an aftermarket plug.

    • @robertmailhos8159
      @robertmailhos8159 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@INSIDEHOUSEGARAGE for sure thanks for the heart young man 😎👍 Those spark plugs are not worth the time to get

  • @fastandfuriouslawnandlawnc1514
    @fastandfuriouslawnandlawnc1514 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    i think try a new spark plug first before replacing or ultrasonic cleaning the carb

  • @joebrock9784
    @joebrock9784 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    I don’t think I’ve ever had a problem or negative result with an E3 plug-in you can try changing it to an Ollie and see what happens but I don’t think it’ll make much difference I think it would be better off to invest in a clown car for a $13 saw on Amazon with positive reviews and try that before you got there I’m at the minimum someone on the altar sonic cleaner will charge you 20 just to clean the car up and put it back together

  • @diesel_man99
    @diesel_man99 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    A spark plug is supposed to be cookie brown not black

  • @hunter1953
    @hunter1953 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Its never the spark plug till it is. I would change it