i would LOVE to finally get some closure about what happened to glamrock bonnie. the whole mystery revolving around him is so interesting but also really intense (majority of the fans refusing to give monty a chance because they are 100% convinced he killed bonnie, the fandom fighting with eachother about who they think is behind his death, etc.) so it can be pretty overwhelming. I also would've liked to see cassie, or anyone really, interact with bonnie; having her say nothing after seeing his lifeless body was especially underwhelming considering he was her dads favourite animatronic at the mega pizza plex.
Glad someone is giving the original saying its proper credit. It's a little known fact that the original manuscript was damaged so "give head to no evil" was mistranslated and the archeologists didn't see the "no legs anymore" part because they forgot to look at the floor.
@@greenamber9827well with dogs there's "giving paw" as in "give your paw ie. hold it towards me at short distance so I can shake it / put mine into it", and hence...
Same, I hate it but it clearly works for his branding so I'm assuming we're in the minority *I hate how distracting him peting the cat is, not the cat itself, it is very cute
@@jonskillings1258 it’s not that bad. I personally like it. Especially since I think it makes Rye more comfortable talking (don’t know if that’s true though).
That reminds me of a meme I saw that was a paper in the corner of a school bathroom that said “offerings for Hatsune Miku” and there were a bunch of snacks there
@@pentagonyx my catholic high school has these things in the walls where holy water and crosses are supposed to go but we don't put them in there and so once in i think 2021 someone put a pic of scomo (our ex prime minister, yes we called him that to his face) in there and people would leave bits of their lunches as offerings and whenever i walked past it made my day
I really hope repairing Chica means something, I hope she comes back in another DLC or more added chapters (If they're planning them) and gets her redemption arc as well, Chica is always pushed to the side and she deserves better than this, I would love to see that.
unfortunately I doubt they have plans for more security breach, I think they are gonna focus fully on HW2 and then whatever's next, my theory on why we got ruin is that the community didn't like security breach, so they gave us a free dlc as a sort of "Sorry, we messed up, here's a gift!"
@@TIME-DEV Well, Yeah true, But the thing is, Ruin ended on a massive cliffhanger and and all that and there's no way they end it like that, That would be a terrible ending to all of this, Especially with all the questions this DLC has offered, You never know what they're planning, They could work on it after they're done with Help Wanted 2.
It would have been really cool to see a “fix” to Gregory destroying all the animatronics since it seems like a lot of the players didn’t like having to do that. In Ruin Cassie could have saved/ repaired/ allied with the animatronics and either teamed up against the mimic/ burn trap/ tangle/ evil Gregory (basically who ever Steel Wool decides is the bad) or reunited with good Gregory, Vanessa, and Freddy to stop the bad guy
I personal don’t get WHY people had issues take out the animatronics. Heck all these games and years being hunted down by this robotic menaces! I was GLAD to be able to go up against these guys in some way or form. To run the fade finally. To me Gregory is a top-five horror character for that. He is a real one. Running these guys pockets at young age. Running the fade with 3 killer animatronics. Plus he powdered Vanny’s 🍩 . Plus the Blob. Plus going down to finish off Burntrap. Putting these guys down before they do any more damage or kill any more victims. Number 1 horror character is always going be Leon from the Resident Evil series. He is the man.
@@sleepylmguy9968 It's because these ones are actually sympathetic and feel like humans because of their heavily advanced AI, Unlike all the other ones who are possessed by vengeful kids and some others in the past who are actually evil by nature, Not to mention the Glamrocks were hacked by the Mimic1 program to try and kill others, Another thing to mention is that Freddy really cares about them in the base game.
@@shadowbowser5674 OK, but it's also no reason for the fandom to hate Gregory, like he has no reason to save the animatronics that tried to kill him, and since Glamrock Freddy was the only one who didn't want to kill him but help, it's obvious that Gregory will have more empathy by Freddy than by the other animatronics, after all, Gregory is not a fucking hero to SAVE THE ANIMATRONICS, he is a human child and obviously he doesn't need to help some machines and as the princess quest is the canonical ending he cared about saving Vanessa who is a HUMAN PERSON and Gregory and Vanessa himself, they even did everything they could to not let the Mimic escape or kill more people in the world, which is why everything Gregory did in Security Breach and Ruin DLC is justifiable.
We're questioning the programing and saying, "It doesn't make sense to program them to be jealous." You know what else makes no sense? Making all of the animatronics weak to lasers and flashes from FazCams, cameras that the company sells for people in the audience to use while the animatronics are preforming in the middle of a laser light show. They are weak to two things, camera flashes and lasers, and they are constantly exposed to both of those things whenever they preform.
Speaking on the programming part 9:26 it's auctally extremely clear that the ai have " evolved in some way as seen with Chica obsessive eating, Roxy's insecurity and montys rage. Those traits even if originally programmed there's no way they would've been programmed to the point of being an auctal problem for staff to handle. Monty literally does not come to shows sometime and chica's eating problem was " fixed " by just stuffing a trash bag to collect the food that she is MECHANICALLY UNEQUIPED TO EAT. Then there's Freddy's whole thing once you reach the entrance to the blob and it's pretty damn clear that there's something more to the ai. Furthermore the glamrocks are the stars currently and it'd be boring to have them just be " normal " robots with just a simple ai problem in a supernatural world filled with sprits of dead children , agony amd remnant.
Yeah but I think the books confirmed that the Glamrocks aren't possessed and are heavily advanced AI, And Security Breach takes place in a distant future and AI is heavily advanced.
@@shadowbowser5674 I don’t think that’s what they’re driving. The AIs have evolved beyond what their initial programming was. They’re becoming sentient.
but it still dont make sense to put a robot that have anger issues to the stage in front of the kids if you dont want another İS THAT BİTE OF 87!!!!!! and Aİs in security breach its still under control all that errors can be solved by fixing the program since also same thing turned them evil in the first place. ı think its all comes back to fazbear entertainments horrible paychecks to employees :D
9:26 with all the AI stuff that's going on, and the character development with Freddy and Roxy, as well as the FNAF series' overall sci-fi leanings, it's absolutely possible for the animitronics to be their own people. The Funtimes were incredibly advanced robots built *in the 1980's* . I think that in the future of Security Breach, animitronics can have advanced AI. Also, Chica literally eats from the trash, and there are notes about technicians complaining about it. So either they programed that in, or she developed that trair on her own. Same with Roxy's insecuruties line in Security Breach. So Monty could absolutely feel jealously. (And Bonnie's last known location was Monty Golf, and Bonnie has green paint and claw slash marks on him. And a Bonnie light is what finally kills Monty in Ruin, so there would be irony/fitting there)
I mean, you could argue that Freddy's and Roxys bonds with Gregory and Cassie are somewhat part of their programming. They're supposed to be entertainers for children after all and you'd assume that their biggest priority is to protect kids at all costs And about Monty, I don't see what's so special about him going feral in Ruin. Have you seen how demolished he is? It's a wonder that he still works. Also, we don't even know for how long Monty has been so aggressive. That could very well just be a result of the Virus messing with his programming. And I know that Bonnie was last seen in Monty Golf, but....do people really think Monty of all peolle is smart enough to successfully get away with murder? Without being caught on the cameras? Really? The guy with the voiceline "You can hide, but you can't hide!" ? That just sounds wrong to me
@@snakesareamazing I was more referring to the weird traits of Roxy and Chica (insecuruties problems, and eating trash). RyeToast said that Monty and the other animitronics are not people, and can't actually experience emotions. Yet Fazbear wouldn't program things like eating garbage and self-esteem issues into their robots. Therefore, we can assume that the Glamrocks have advanced AI, that can evolve and gain emotions and character traits. As for Monty being able to get away with murder? Well, considering Fazbear's history with safety and having inefficient security, I don't think that is too hard. Gregory, a young child, manages to *sneak inside of Freddy, the main attraction* , and not set off any alarms. There are signs of someone living in little coves in the Pizzaplex. The repair room requires playing Simon Says to fix animitronics. Clearly the systems in the mall aren't the best at catching people
But why not both? I think we are dealing with possession(microdosing remnant, boiler room was cut late into SB) AND super advanced AI. And they don't always have the same objectives. They are in conflict a lot. That is my observation of the characters.
@@snakesareamazing Was it where he was last seen? The message doesn't actually say it, we assume so because it's the only thing we got but it might not actually be the last time he was seen. Either way, Monty has no way of getting Bonnie to Bonnie Bowl without being seen on cameras, unless Vanny was helping him.
I don’t think it’s possible for Monty to have killed Bonnie, due to one detail in Security Breach that everyone seems to overlook- and that’s the claw upgrades that Monty has. Security Breach makes it clear he received the upgrades AFTER the incident with Bonnie disappearing, when he was chosen to take his place. Because the claws are specially made for the animatronics to play the base. Looking at the damage done to Bonnie’s body; I’d have to ask if it was even possible for Monty to have done that kind of damage without his claw upgrades.
I just had a brain blast moment with Chica's voicebox. The canonical ending to the game is believed to be Princess Quest since Freddy's in Fazer Blast without a head, the Princess' sword and lantern are on the game console in Vanny's room, and there's no collectible comic drawing of Princess Quest to be found in the game. The ending starts at 6AM when Greggory chooses to confront Vanny. The thing is though that got me thinking, we can only break 2 animatronics before confronting Vanny, Roxy and either Chica or Monty, destroying all 3 only happens in Afton's ending. So, this begs the question, why are all 3 broken in Ruin when we couldn't have possibly done it? I believe the answer then is that canonically we destroyed Roxy and Monty while Chica was spared. That's why we could only fix Chica, Roxy's eyes are still in Freddy's head which Greggory took in the Princess Quest ending, and Monty's claws are still in Freddy's body which we can't get since his body is still alive and attacking us. That just leaves Chica's voicebox which possibly just fell out since the Pizzaplex has been abandoned, nobody was there to fix Chica until we showed up.
The Vanny ending is actually possible to get with destroying all 3 animatronics if I remember correctly, its just a massive waste of time to go through the effort to destroy the 3rd animatronic and then do the Vanny ending
Yeah I thought that there was supposed to be more than 1 cannon ending because of there being all 3 animatronics there as well as "Freddy?" But you can go back do the Monty golf mission and than go back to the door and do the princess quest ending. So in conclusion IDK
I always love these types of overviews. It helps to know what we don't know so we can figure out what we do know. This makes theory crafting way easier and clearer. People always say that fnaf lore is complicated, but when you use this type of methode, it's actually quite simple.
I have a theory. I think its important that Ruin is DLC. Largely because SB as a whole only uses one save file, that means steps like Cassie repairing Chica, completing the Burntrap ending, could be referenced in later DLC. It's a longshot, but I feel like two more DLCs isn't impossible.
It's also posible that this could have an impact on the main game not just ruin or a future DLC. Like once they implement later DLC maybe you can unlock something in the main game. It would be weird but not completely out of reason.
@@verdantmistral442 It'd also be a very Scott Cawthon move. Remember Old Man Consequences triggering things between Ultimate Custom Night and FNAF World?
@@SatoKure no actually i dont remember that/know what you are talking about. afaik the games have no impact on eachother (and seeing as they are different PC games, its a bit hard to make them have an impact on eachother like that, not impossible tho) could you give a better source/description of what you mean?
@@Sopsy_Hallow It was a test Game Theory did back in the day iirc, using UCN and a fresh copy of FNAF World. Getting the Old Man Consequences ending in UCN would give you the Drowned ending achievement in FNAF World.
To kinda answer the questioning of why Monty would have such strong feelings if he's a programmable robot, there's the part in SB where Roxy is by herself crying and gets annoyed when Freddy comes in, I figured that if they're not posessed they're basically sentient AI
@@Ali-u9j6eDoesn't even really matter how advanced technology will be in our time, the FNAF universe was already far ahead of us even in the games set in the 80s and 90s. Just look at animatronics like Baby and the Funtime cast; incredible robotics work with significant intelligence capable of problem solving, walking around with no issues, and much more. The idea that SB's animatronics could be capable of learning and even semi-sentience a solid forty years later is not hard to believe.
This code is gonna be quite an interesting topic for awhile, and even though the survival logbook is a good place to start, I'm not entirely sure if theyre meant to connect, considering the rooms in RUIN had plush babies, even though the logbook focuses more on the souls in Golden Freddy, and their interaction with Mike
@@RyeToast it focuses on the kids in Golden Freddy, Cassidy and Crying Child. In SB/Ruin the main characters are Cassie and Gregory. In the new stories, CC is named Rory. Compare the 32 bit CC, Character Encyclopedia CC, and SB GG. Striped shirt, bandaid, favorite character, etc CC = Rory = Gregory = GG
The caution bots remind me of the Lonely Freddies. I can't think of any way that connecting them to that story would help us solve anything, but I can't shake the feeling that they're somehow similar.
Let's try to be realistic. They're already building a new game, and they gave us this huge and extremely good DLC for free. Let's not get our hopes up for more free stuff from them for now.
@@fightingleafpart of me feels the DLC was free as a more apology for how SB was originally released, being that Scott has done this before with stuff like FNAF World. I expect if Steel Wool do another DLC it won’t be in the same free state this one was in, but at the same time, I feel that the pizzaplex itself is no longer going to be a set stage for further games, and anything at the location will be underneath it. Could be DLC, but could also be a completely separate game in the future, and may make sense as well since the size of the game would be reaching very large numbers that I don’t think would realistically be released as a single game lol
With Bonnie, the extra pieces of machinery around him are staff bot pieces and some are covered in green paint just like his stomach hatch. This hints that Vanny and /or GGY attacked Bonnie with Staff Bots. Someone moved him from wherever he was attacked to behind Bonnie Bowl and then sealed up the lane with wood planks. The fact that there's a Monty bowling ball in the room with him may also mean that Fazbear Entertainment has known where he was hidden the for a long time but still chose not to fix him. And someone pointed out that Bonnie's actually in better physical condition than any of the shattered animatronics so maybe his REAL damage is his personality chip is missing and THAT'S why he couldn't be repaired?
Fazbear entertainement knowing about bonnies destruction also lines up with the description of one of the collectibles (i dont remember which one) saying "dad wouldnt tell me what happened to bonnie", it's not that he cant but that he doesnt want to
no, we know that the animatronics do have something akin to feelings. Just look at Roxy being insecure or overly confident. They may not be possesed, but their AI is extremely advanced. So Monty being jealous enough of Bonnie to get him kicked off the band, that is believable. HOWEVER, when looking at bonnie's design, his claws are not that of the bass player, so he was destroyed AFTER being taken off the band. That along with Freddy saying he doesn't go to bonnie bowl because he misses "him", goes with that Bonnie was likely retired to the bowling alley full time before he met his end.
Yep. Yep, and yes. Well summarized. I do think Monty did it, but I don't think it was Monty calling the shots. The damage matches up with Mimic too well. The head and limbs of the endo are all disconnected.
Ok but why is he still in a glam rock fit why wouldn’t they change clothes or suit to that of Bonnie bowl mural from sb they obviously had the concept for it
@@zacharymcleod8050 Tank you. Clue- Monty on the Catwalk (carpet, fall damage) with a... bowling ball? It's the bowling ball that throws me. I don't know. I hope they throw SOME sort of twist to 'it was Monty'. It's so bland.
@@Hex.A.Decimal Bowling Ball seems to have been the finishing blow. It would have to have been smashed after Bonnie was already down. Think about it - if you are standing straight up and someone hits you on the head with a round object, smashing it into pieces, it would scatter/roll all over the place. It would not be piled around your head as you fall down. (Btw if carpet you are referring to is about "carpet under Bonnie matches one from Monty golf" theory, that has been debunked, they are not a match)
Another mystery that no one talks about is the sticky notes in the back room of the daycare they are hidden but if you put on the mask they are all lined up along the wall and they are the only objects in that room that stay in the ar world
I don’t agree with the whole “it’s just a robot” argument for ruling Monty out. I mean, Roxy is too and she is pretty emotional, we see her throw a tantrum and even cry.
8:55 it's obvious, these animatronics have more advanced AI than AI we have irl, even more advanced AI than the staff bots. Why would Freddy have so much emotions in the first game? Why would Chica show signs of worry and distress in the opening animation when Freddy fell down, even being the first to check on him before his vision turned off? Why would Freddy miss Bonnie? Why would Roxy give herself a pep talk, be seen crying, and have so much self conscious behavior? Why would Roxy have an emotional reaction when she hears Cassie's voice to let her go? Why would there be lots of visuals that Monty HATES Freddy the Most and wants to be the main star of the band, not only in the Ruin ride with Freddy's head being ripped off, but ALSO Freddy being thrown in the Trash in the final golf course in the first game? Monty wants to be the Main, and Only star, and he's willing to make harsh stepping stones to make it there. Yes you can just say they are programed to just do things to mimic emotions, but eventually, in a series where AI can mix with souls to make something else, it's not that hard to believe that the AI is more advanced that just drone behavior. Plus in a program sense, they are learning AI, they aren't Only programmed to have personalities, they also grow with those personalities. Not just the Mimic, but also not AS advanced as the mimic if that makes sense.
I’ve come to the conclusion youre a god. Youre able to brush your cat and talk about FNAF lore at the same time- both of which on their own usually require me 10000% focus(which i never have)
Well... Roxy has a problem with constantly degrading herself. It proves that they can have feelings and stuff, remember they are ai. Ai learns and adapts (sometimes) so Monty could have learned and grew to the point of jealousy of not having enough fame as Bonnie and destroyed him to move up... again its just a theory, but still
Thinking about the way that Scott's set up the idea of remnant and agony as being the two parts of a person, I think it would fit that philosophy well to say that you can't just create a complete artificial personality that only has positive traits - negative traits will emerge whether you intend them or not. I don't think anyone intentionally programmed Chica to be a compulsive eater, or for Roxy to have self-image issues, or for Monty to be a violent egotist. I think these are just unintended consequences. Fazbear Entertainment has a pretty bad track record when it comes to safety, ethics, or even just thinking through the implications of what they do. They make these sophisticated animatronics that don't really *need* to be as smart as they are to do the job that they're going to be given (kinda like how companies will restrict hiring to graduates even if the job doesn't need it). So I dunno, it's not hard for me to imagine that there was an option to give them more complex personalities, and to add some kind of safeguard to stop negative emotions from emerging or from spiralling out of control... but that the higher-ups rejected that option because it would be too expensive or cause delays or something. I think there's some social commentary here, tbh. More and more complex and sophisticated AI is being made, to the point where it can mimic human personalities... but we're not really putting it to good use. And likewise, we have smarter and smarter employees, but their expertise and wisdom is not valued.
Repairing Chica’s voice box should have triggered an alternate ending where both Roxy AND Chica take down The Mimic. They then help Cassie out of the sinkhole as well as the Ruined Pizzaplex, where Gregory, Freddy, and Vanessa all show up in a Fazbear Delivery Van to greet them.
The reason why I think Monty took out Bonnie to take his spot is because of that scene where Freddy is in the trash and showing Monty as the lead singer. He is trying to work his way up to being in the spotlight. Although yes they are programmed robots, they are also advanced Ai animatronics, taking place in the future. Although emotions are fake, they can still act like real emotions, including sadness, which we see Roxy sad in Ruins and in SB, Hunger from Chica who chooses to devour trash despite not needing to ever eat, so why not jealousy or rage from Monty? Not to mention the Monty boat ride, we know Fazbear Entertainment is known for covering up sketchy business, and at the end of the ride if you remove the shadow we can see a small cutout of Scared Bonnie being swept off by a twister made by the Monty cutout. It is possible that Vanny had control of Monty, though if that would true I don’t know how to explain the Freddy in the trash can in his room.
I've been thinking about what Glam Bonnie's room means, and I MIGHT have figured it out: What if Glamrock Bonnie's "death" scene resembles afton and the missing children? Like- Cassie represents the puppet helping the wet floor bots, which represent the children, move on. And only after they're all deactivated, Bonnie can rest. That means that only after all children move on, Afton will be able to rest. That PROBABLY means all children would be trapping Afton in UCN along with Cassidy- but idk, you tell me if im right or am just overthinking it.
Or... what if it represents Afton. We know Afton was being tethered to life by at least one soul. What if Bonnie is just a representation of Afton who was associated with Bonnie. And it is showing he is being kept alive by the souls of others. Maybe he's being kept alive by more than one. UFC alludes to the One, but the Puppet also seems to be still aware. So maybe he's got more holding him back than just the One.
Remember Rye, that the AI in the animatronics were all super advanced, and we see them acting more human, with Roxanne being so insecure. If you want to say Monty isn't capable of feeling jealous because he's a robot, then why is Roxanne capable of crying in her dressing room and degrading herself for not catching Gregory? Why is Freddy so lifelike in SB if not for the fact that he FEELS things, like when he says he misses Bonnie or that he will miss Gregory if he leaves? For once, the fanbase isn't just running wild and pushing more human traits onto these characters, because these characters are already humanlike and able to feel and have thoughts outside of their programming. Take Sun and Moon, Moon tells us in Ruin flat out that the light hurts him, if he were just a normal bot, he wouldn't know what pain is. And Sun has his whole freaking emotional breakdown pity party song when you put the mask on where he sounds like he is crying. So Chica having a ravenous appetite to fill the emptiness inside her that is never satiated, Monty lashing out and harming others, Roxy pitying herself and trying to cover up her insecurity with bravado, all of them are more human than they have ever been, and that is because of their AI's, like you said, the virus or whatever just amped them up even more.
I was thinking this exact same thing, especially when it comes to Roxy. What benefit would there be to her being so hateful towards herself? And I think we can assume she was this way before attempting to catch Gregory, as you can hear her trying to hype herself up in her room while crawling through the vents. We know she only does that to combat her insecurities.
There are actually other codes in RUIN In the Daycare backstage (the hidden Gregory alcove) there are sticky notes on the walls with ominous scribles on them organized in a 3×3 square like a 1-9 number pad
My personal head canon is The mimic wanted to use the animatronics to spread the virus. It used Bonnie as a test run on the floor bots just to see if it’ll work (let’s say it did) and eventually went to the other animatronics Vanny and Gregory. Maybe after being the test run, Bonnie somehow broke free of the mimic and tried to help the others somehow, maybe he ends up finding the hidden balloon boy game and ended up freeing Gregory, maybe the mimic and the other catch onto Bonnie after this and Vanny used Monty or something else to destroy Bonnie or at least deactivate him in Monty golf. Vanny probably went back and scrubbed the footage of them carrying a deactivated bonnie behind a secret room in bonnie bowl to try and see if they can reactivate the virus, it didn’t work since he was in safe mode and to keep Bonnie from saving/ warning the others on how to break free, they destroy him and leave him back there I guess. I don’t have a reason for a motive but I can somewhat see this playing out in my head
I saw a comment on MatPats reaction to Funaff and it says “My theory is that the tally marks is Baby counting the kids” and it really hit me. Baby says that kids would run out in groups of 2-3 and those numbers are just added together to get 4 and 5. It could be a code or could relate to baby/ the mimic.
This is a series that started with vengeful kids in animatronics killing people because of a negligent company. An animatronic being jealous whether intentionally or it's the mimic program corrupting the AI is not that unbelievable at this point. Also Monty going out by a Bonnie sign is like poetic justice. It could be a red herring, but like it just seems too intentional to not have Monty be the answer.
I think a common misunderstanding people have about the Glamrocks is thay they're an "object acting like it can feel emotions" but that's untrue, it's already made clear they're legitimately sentient despite being robots, so their expression of emotions is real not just programming.
"monty is a robot, a programmed animatronic built by people to entertain children **not an actual person with feeling and emotions**" *Detroit Become Human war flashbacks*
I thought the reason we get chicas voice box was because sense the princess quest ending is the cannon one, Gregory TECHNICALLY only either went to gator golf or fazer blast, so steel wool had to put either Monty’s claws or chicas voice box somewhere to say which is cannon
While I get your point, I think the animatronics *have* feelings, like Freddy is shown to be actually depressed over Bonnie missing. Though I still don't think Monty attacked Bonnie of his own accord. Either he did it on accident and tried to hide it or something pushed him towards it. And I still think it makes it more tragic is Bonnie was using the wet floor bots to try and reach out or view what's going on.
Quick thought I had about Bonnie’s attack; outside the mimic’s room there are a bunch of broken security nodes and I’ve heard a couple theorists thoughts that they were the result of the mimic’s first attempt at escaping (and that it was originally trapped in that room) but that it failed. My thought is this, maybe Bonnie had the same role as Roxie in the past and that he was one of the security nodes needed to be able to escape and whoever or whatever destroyed him was for that purpose. This could explain why MXES is designed to look like Bonnie. Total speculation on my part but thats what I first thought of.
I feel like there probably was a plan to have Cassie fix the animatronics. Because its really weird that you'd fix JUST CHICA especially since after the point in the game where you put her voice box back in, she doesn't do anything. I think there was meant to be more to it
could be cope but something tells me they might be planning some updates to the game to keep people playing, could be why it seems like we have the framework for this repairing animatronics quest but it's mostly missing. we have some precedence for this in fnaf world but i mostly just think it'd be cool
11:30 I've had the parallel of Bonnie and Golden Freddy both being active animatronics that can't move because they're physically incapable of moving brewing in my head for a while because of the Wet Floor Signs being yellow looking bears. I don't like the implications but... yeah. just something I've had in the back of my mind.
No one is looking at Roxy enough. -her prizes in breach are always in lore heavy areas -the huge bowling ball in ruin with her face on it is suspicious along with the green on Bonnie matching her nails -we talk about purple and green all the time when she is LITERALLY purple and green -my partner and I think the dialogue in breach is her and baby; baby uses Roxy to see what is going on -once Roxy loses her eyes the *other* voice stops; the other voice also seems mimicy just like baby does -Roxy might not have motive to kill Bonnie, but baby might -it’s also suspicious that Roxy just magic comes to safe Cassie -we think baby had some control through the virus on roxy-which is why she wanted the eyes back so bad-once she entered safe mode from cassie: Roxy was fighting for control like Freddy, so she stopped herself/baby by putting the forklift on top on herself -however, we think cassie didn’t shut Roxy down but only reboot her like sun/moon, and the caused the safe mode to fail leaving babie with control -so, baby has Roxy stop the mimic, because baby NEEDS Cassie -we bet roxy is going to turn on Cassie in the next game -also, foxy.exe… -and the cartoon where foxy was unmasked -roxy keeping the sinkhole from being sealed -Freddy never specifies that baby took him down the hole -vanny makes Roxy cry after she disconnects Freddy’s head -there are two wet floor signs with a Roxy plush in a weird room with a staff bot near the laundry area -Roxy killed Bonnie -it’s literally in Roxy raceway -vanny/Roxy are babys puppets -Monty and the mimic are scapegoats -also, Roxy is what links Gregory and Cassie (they were the only ones at her party) -Cassie’s dad probably didn’t tell Cassie what happened to Bonnie, because he knew roxy was her favorite We bet there is more Rye Toast pleaseeee look into roxy more!!!
Ohh my the last one might be so trueee since Roxy literally has Green Nails, and the Paint on Bonnie's Stomach kinda symbolizes it. Plus remember that roxy has sharp nails, Sharp enough to scratch a Wall (as seen in ruin)
In FNAF AR, we collect remnant for some reason. Maybe the glamrocks have remnant in them, and when bonnie was broken it went into the floor bots? Could explain the human screaming you hear when near them.
I bet the key for the Ruin tally code is gonna be in HW2. Steel Wool knew that Ruin and HW2 were gonna be pretty close releases, so maybe they gave us a lock in Ruin, and a key in HW2. The key for SB's wall code was given to us before the game released. Maybe Ruin's code will be given to us after. (also sidenote, In the Steel Wool Interview, Ray said that in watching Freddy and Friends, we were "already playing Security Breach." It's possible that in playing Ruin, we're "already playing" HW2, or vice versa. This is a bit speculative tho.)
When you said the wet floor bots are marked as souls, I went back and checked security breach to see if there was any mention of missing children in the Pizzaplex since I remembered the newspaper Gregory sleeps under. That ending is not canon but the conversation with Freddy that separates it from any other ending is, and it does mention that there have been disappearances. On a different note, with the cult imagery and the circle of bots, it makes me wonder if Gregory was the only child who was brainwashed or if there were other children this was tried on. Afterall, Vanny was the only known success but she wasn't the only attempt we knew of. There was that one guy mentioned back in Help Wanted who ended up cutting off his own face rather than submitting.
You know, the repair ending makes a good amount of sense. It might be why Roxxie's suddent "back to life and tackles the mimic" moment feels so strange. Perhaps originally the mimic just kills you or leads you off in a different direction than the elevaotor or whatever. But if you repair all animatronics, Roxxie is able to comeback online and protect Cassie.
"Monty is a robot, they are programmed, why would they program him with jealousy issues?" I don't know, maybe for the same reason they "programmed" Roxy with crippeling selfesteem issues that make her cry? XD I mean, if it where just the mimic program dialing their pre set programmed personalitys to a 100, Rocy should normaly be vain, proud and full of her selfe. Overfliwing with ill placed confident, a "I'm perfect and can do no wrong" atitute. Not a "I cry myself to sleep becouse I'm insecure about my look and my position in the band" attitude like she has now.
Some time ago I saw a video by 'NotRealName NotAtAll' explaining what most likely happend to Bonnie. Basically, Monty accidentally pushed Bonnie off the catwalks in MontyGolf and then tried to cover up his crime.
For the Monty question, you can also ask why is Roxy programmed to have such low self esteem issues? She is literally crying because she believes she isn't perfect. Why program something like that? If they didn't and it was the mimic, then why even give her a bit of that self consciousness for her to think she isn''t good enough?? Programming this and jealousy in them makes no damn sense but I can believe why people believe he was programmed with jealousy
You know the Bonnie mystery is one that even I'm still unsure about. I remember hearing about how Monty possibly destroyed Bonnie, but I never really was sure about that. Even today, it's one of those questions that I'm unsure about. Also I know I already mentioned that couple days ago but today is my 20th Birthday!🎉🎉
I love that the cats are main characters in this channel. I wish more channels showed their animals in videos. Idk it's just wild to me that people feel they need to apologize for having an animal in their own home, on their own videos. It's even wilder to me that there are people out there that actually get upset or bothered by a person having an animal either appear or be in their video. It personally makes me sad that people will willingly shove their animal away because a stranger was upset that it was showed or appeared in the video. Welp that's my little ranty rant. I love your content and the vibes, I hope your day is as well-groomed as your cat is lol
btw: I believe that the Mimic dropped the elevator: right at the bottom of the elevator door there's a small power generator. all the Mimic had to do was cutting the generator wires. also: how did Gregory know that the Mimic was "right behind" Cassie, if Gregory wasn't at the place? how did he manage to direct her to the exit, if Greg couldn't see Cassie??? there are no cameras around down there!
Things i think about ruin. 1. When grimic tells Cassie to shut down Roxy she does but when the mimic is about to attack her Roxy comes back somehow, I think the reason for this is because she could possibly be possessed. 2. I think the real culprit behind glamrock Bonnie’s demise is actually Freddy himself, maybe when he was infected by the gltichtrap virus he destroyed his friend and after being freed he forgot. 3. I think like how Gregory is either literally or symbolically meant to represent crying child Cassie is literally or symbolically meant to represent Cassidy/the ones you shouldn’t have killed.
As woojitsu said, I think Roxy was simply rebooted rather than shutdown. Then getting down to where the Mimic was could either have been the MXES calling her in a final effort before being trapped in the box, or Roxy may have just followed Cassie's crying noises down there.
I have a small idea that the animatronics had different specific jobs (some more important than others) outside of performing for the kids. For example, I have a theory that Roxy was meant to teach kids about self-confidence since she is programmed to be confident and has a make-over area in her part of the Pizza Plex. For Bonnie, he could have been all about safety/security. Safety because maybe he was programmed to keep the Pizza Plex out of lawsuits, and security because maybe he had a direct line to police or ambulance services whenever he didnt put one of the "wet floor" bots in the right area in time. This could also give reason to WHY Vannie could have used Monty (or whatever other means) to destroy Bonnie, so that if he saw something that could jeopardize the kids or the company, he wouldnt be able to call for help.
also i just really like the idea that the Freddy was all about teaching kids kindness, Chica was abt fitness(or even body-positivity), Roxy was all abt teaching self-confidence and Monty was abt self-expression. And then you have Bonnie with the *actual* job that is to make sure kids dont slip and fall or get kidnapped.
im confused about how the animatronics work period. in security breach freddy shuts down when we don’t charge him in the charging station, but all the sudden the animatronics can go for months in critical shape without charging ???
I think part of his bad battery comes from being on safety mode? It might be that way so that animatronics on safety mode don’t have free reign over the pizzaplex So if Monty is on lockdown because of destroying something, he won’t have as much battery and therefore can’t destroy as much
It would be nice if, when you repair Chica, the trash bag falling out of her stomach means that whatever was driving her to eat so voraciously was finally reset or gone, like resetting the Day Care Attendant sets them back to Eclipse and resetting the security node in Roxy didn’t actually shut her down completely. I… still don’t think there’s any hope for Monty, he got pretty fried, but hey, maybe there’s a less angry backup somewhere that could shed light on things. Maybe he has the rest of his personality in his legs, so he’s super nice if the legs got powered up 😆
In the fnaf ruin trailer at the beginning you can see the toy bird from a distance. At the beginning of the movie alien you can see a toy bird similar to one from the trailer. In my opinion it could be related, it also came out in the same decade as the movie Brazil. Another thing, the translation of the movie alien in Hebrew is the 8th passenger because one of the people has another living being (passenger). I would really appreciate it if you read my message.
All of the page numbers containing the tallies can be created by adding the numbers 2, 4, and 5 in a variety of ways. Not sure if that would lead to anything, but it's definitely an interesting detail knowing what we do about these three numbers being significant. Considering we know that the log book connects to Mike and the child souls, and the fact SB has his Sister Location room, it's definitely a possibility. Since there have been so many connections between the DLC and the original Silver Eyes books, it wouldn't be too surprising for the logbook to resurface as a source of code cracking.
I don't know about the wet floor bots but, I remember seeing a TH-camr make a theory on what they think happened to Bonnie. They commented on how his damage was similar to the damage that Monty had after falling from the Catwalk. And that the carpet thing under him, the pattern matched the one in Monty Golf. But, the green paint on the chest made it obvious Monty was involved, so they came to the conclusion that Monty and Bonnie must have had a disagreement on the catwalk where Monty accidentally pushed him off. When he realized what he did he tried to cover his tracks and used the bowling ball to stage a fake accident. I need to find the one who came up with this theory.
Carpets do not match, someone spread that one around without properly checking in game. That pattern is very common and has several color variations. The one in Monty Golf has purple and pink details, the one under Bonnie has blue and cyan. The ribbons also do not have blue on them like the ones in Monty Golf. There is no carpet that matches it. (At least in base game, I did not check all the carpets in Ruin)
@@kaillah now that you mention it, I do remember someone saying something similar. I think they said it matched more with the carpet from the arcade. Not Monty Golf.
@@crazygeek7023 There is one carpet that is found inside arcade part of Bonnie Bowl. That one is the closest match I could find but it has one color wrong. (Some of the details are white instead of cyan) So unless it was a mistake that one is not a match either. I haven't looked at all the carpets in Ruin tho, so maybe there is one that matches it there, but all from the base game are different.
imagine they all appear at the end instead of just roxy if you repair them, like roxy is holding mimic back, chica stunts him with her voicebox, eclipse holding him in the air so he can't keep going, monty is doing monty stuff and freddy brings cassie to the lift.
I still think ruin is all happening inside of a computer and most of what we see is just data that's recovered and we are playing through Cassie who is an AI herself.
@@RyeToast it's makes a lot of the random little things make sense like why the seemingly random placed nodes the over sized out of place stuff and a lot of the bunny stuff. 3 AIs battling and surviving from the blue rabbit security system.
@@shadowbowser5674 to me the AI inside of a set of data make sense of the sign bots, the random node spots that shut down another location as if it was encrypted data being collected and decrypted, the information on Cassie we see in the form of the cut outs, how Roxie seems to connect to Cassie. I think her father wrote the programing and he lost her somehow added her into the programing and gave her tools to help fix things he needed help with. That's how she finds a fazrench and how doors and things are all fixed by a turn of it.
Personally I think the Repair Chica is a tease for a future update when the DLC is made available to everyone. Remember this, Ruin still isn't on Xbox nor Switch. So if this was kept out of the DLC until the release on other platforms it gives a reason to play it again or even to play for the first time on the other platforms.
Everyone always says "Where is Glamrock Foxy?" when talking about Glamrock Bonnie, but nobody ever just considers that the spot reserved for a Foxy in the crew is taken by Roxy. There is a INSANELY obvious connection with the names to be made, both are fox animatronics, and what's more is that this isn't even the first time a set of animatronics has had Foxy excluded, but replaced with another character. I point you to Mangle. He's the fourth animatronic in the Toy crew, she is based on a canid animal, and overall fulfills the same role as a Foxy in the group- Off to the side, separated from the other Main Three™.
Erm Roxy is a wolf animatronic but yeah I agree though I do kinda like the theory that foxy used to be at kids “cove” like pirate cove but not a lot of evidence
@@celery_plate my dumbass did NOT just call Roxanne Wolf a fox… Edited it. Also, it’s all but confirmed that Kids Cove had Mangle there. It only makes sense since it’s the new version of Foxy, but also, it’s *kids* cove. Why is Mangle so fucked up? Well, Phone guy tells us that children would take her apart and put him back together again, like some sort of plaything.
Something I feel stood out is the entry pass cutout where we grab the flashlight. The boys in between are crumpled - Monty a feral beast that got zapped by a rabbit, and Freddy ...with no heady - though the girls are still intact (and aside from them and Cassie, Sun's face is in the girls' bathrooms around the daycare). Before the trailer leaned us towards Roxy, all we had was the poster containing Chica and what became brunette Cassie. Some questioning ally Chica, and upon seeing the cutout, I wondered if both were possible. The pale hair of the grayscale girl seemed blonde and had us suspect the likes of Elizabeth, Susie and Amelia, not to mention the Fruity Maze game in GGY. Chica also speculated to have the best shot of surviving the Afton ending crumble as she could still run and see. Though there likely has been some changes since the posters since: Cassie's not blonde, Ruined Chica's arms look different, the font of RUIN, and the collapsed Lobby statue is blocked off. Given the Ruin we've got seems to follow PQ3 with all 3 beyond Shattered, I wondered if sparing Monty or Chica in base could affect Ruin if it followed specific playthroughs like that. With either new models of them degraded beyond regular build, or just simply use there Shattered model in Ruin. Here's my little headcanon (apologies if it sounds rather biased): a Ruin following where Gregory defeated Monty but not Chica, and completed PQ3: Cassie gets in with Chica's Shattered model appearing in the food court. Now, we know Roxy's anger is specifically aimed towards Gregory, hence the audio of his in Chapter 6. Does the same apply to Chica and Monty, hence her stopping in the food court andperhapshe just ran into Cassie? It mostly seems they're just responding to MXES, but they're threats in parts like the bakery and log ride where we can't put on the mask. I also wondered if that jumpscare through the vent where we get into the bakery itself and a stone block drops down. Did Chica push Cassie clear of the drop, though 3rd person views seem to show the block hitting Chica (yet not crushing her), she loses hold of Cassie then steps back as the block drops, then we hear her knocking behind it. When slouched in the Salon, there's no left foot in AR mode, likely implying she probably won't get back up. Anyways, au continued: Shattered slouches in the bathroom - if there's no cheese on her model, Cassie's words of hesitation would likely be omitted. Same circumstances with her briefly speaking but falling back, but a ways after leaving we'd here her footsteps wandering off. I considered during some point around Cassie's Chapter 6 onwards, some other kid - a blonde girl with pigtails similar to Cassie - pretty much the Ruin fanart before the trailer - gets in out of curiosity and Chica (through whatever plot convenience she had to get ahead of Gregory in the sewers) gets in and mistakes her for the one returning the voicebox (a sort of reverse of Ennard) and desired to return the favor. Of course if Chica did say this as she can talk, it'd get debunked immediately...
There is more weird things about the bonnie situation - He has his own green room and stage, where he presumable was located at for some amount of time before his death, meaning that he would've left the core band/rockstar row back when he lived, so he wouldnt have been killed for his spot in the band - The SB messages say that he left his greenroom *in Rockstar Row* to dissapear and then go to MontyGolf, meaning that at the time he was acting weird and dissapearing, he was still part of the main group. aka, he got relocated some time after that - Bonnie is left broken on the floor in a staff accesible area (atleast before the building broke down), from the SB messages and some item descriptions, it is confirmed that real people still worked at the pizzaplex when he died, meaning he must've been left there on purpouse - Bonnie didnt get replaced or fixed. Now on first glance it might not be weird, as in the other SB endings freddy is just outright replaced with Mr Hippo if he leaves, but those endings are arguably canon(?) and its after most/all of the staff has been replaced. What makes Bonnie's lack of fixing weird is that, not only does the pizzaplex have a plethora of spare glamrock endos, and the plastic casing is the cheap part of the robot all things considered, but ontop of that, the SB messages mention Monty breaking his legs (like how we shatter him) multiple times and getting fixed up after, meaning they def could repair Bonnie too (also, in the Tales books, the "sewer" area has discarded Animatronics including a glamrock chica, shell and all, meaning they did used to replace full robots with working copies) - The SB message mentioning him dissapearing during the night hours cant be related to Monty murder or any other form of Bonnie's death, seeing as he got relocated afterwards, which brings in the question of what did that mean? Why was Bonnie dissapearing for extended periods of time - Bonnie's "MIA" status is also weird in itself. It means that staff wasnt sure whether to say he left the pizzaplex/roster, or to say he would be coming back, indicating that whatever was going on was likely more complex than a broken or lost robot - The context around Bonnie's "MIA" status is also odd, to consider a full retheme (which would be costly and put that area out of access for some time) must mean that something serious happened to the point they cant really have his image in the pizzaplex at all. This is not like how other characters are treated, as Foxy is not present yet has plenty of theming (kids cove, unfinished log ride, general imagery) and many other characters have general imagery about them all over the place, mostly cutouts I dont really have an answer for it at all, my quick theory would be that glitchtrap kept taking over bonnie as it's primairy/personal body and do weird stuff with it, to the point the staff had him destroyed and left on the floor, likely after several failed attempts to repair and fix him, and when bonnie wasnt coming back anymore it tasked vanny to make 'burntrap' as its new bunny body
Hear no evil... see no evil... give head to no evil....... no legs I've been saying this FOREVER but I think the main 4 animatronics ARE FUNCTIONAL MIMICS. I think they were programmed and trained to have certain personalities and worked for a long time until the specific mimic virus corrupted them
Man all the speculation and theories about this new DLC and for the upcoming help wanted 2 is starting to remind me a little bit of the old days of fnaf, just a little bit
just spitballing here, but in mazercise there's a panel with 10 buttons (5 sets of 2) maybe punching the code into that could do something? I dunno, we've been so focused on what ruin added to the story we haven't gone back and seen what it changed. So maybe worth a look, idk, i feel dumb even suggesting it but i mean, one of the secrets we had was literally to take a bunch of pictures and it unlocked a secret room.
A few considerations: 1 - Chica, technically, isn't the first or the only animatronic we help in this game. Rebooting Moon into Eclipse is a "fix" and comes first. That being said, I can see why people would try to rationalize Chica being the first to be put back together and how that's meaningful thanks to UCN. Having her starting some kind of fixing side quest also seems like a fun idea, but I think it is a stretch. The way Monty is decomissioned doesn't leave any room for him to be fixed. Also, Freddy's fix is rather impossible because the head is with Gregory supposedly... which unless there are spares, would also kind of invalidate Roxy's... The more relevant question there is: Was Freddy's chest busted so that the voicebox could be taken back and then safe kept inside the arcade? 2 - Bonnie is another question I feel is misguided. We have a bunch of spare endos and Fazbear Entertainment isn't poor. Why was substituting Foxy and Bonnie for Roxy and Monty a better alternative than just getting another endo and case and just having a new set of Foxy and Bonnie? Foxy is overshadowed enough where it feels like it is legit a marketing strategy, but Bonnie isn't given an "in-brand" explanation. It is SO weird to me. 3 - Wrote this in Game Theory's video the other day. I think 2, 4 and 5 is a stand in for Morse Code. Morse is a base 3 code, with only dots, dashes and spaces. The only problem with figuring that out is figuring out the order of the tally marks. There's also a possibilty that 2, 4 and 5, depending on their position, can be a stand in for other numbers in a cypher. Like a 25 or 52 being a 7 or a 3 depending on order of operations if any. All numbers from 0-9 are achievable if so. Also interesting to note that the number balloons have colors not unlike the whiteboard tally marks, but the 5's are in yellow, what is green instead if the plain circle, so a plain circle is also a clue, most likely, if the balloon board is related to the white boards. I'll add an extra one that bothers me: People always called attention to the mini Music Man with rabbit ears, but there are so many variations to the little guys. Besides the rabbit one, there's also one that seems to be making reference to Sun? With one being melted, one with a missing face... I don't know, they are not 1 to 1 with the entire cast, but it does seem like there are supposed to be a lot of similarities between them and the main cast. Why? What a weird detail to include, no one would bat an eye if all of them looked the same.
I think we’re set on the idea that Cassie’s dad is the identity of the Bully that wore the Bonnie mask in FNAF 4. Not only does the AR Bonnie mask remind Cassie of her dad by asking, “what happened to you”, and with Bonnie Bro being involved with the Bite of 83 by helping FoxyBro/Michael bring the crying child closer to Fredbear, seems to tell us that’s the answer is pretty obvious.
I completely disagree about the Glamrocks being "just robots without feelings and emotions". There were heavy hints throughout the game that the Glamrock endos utilized advanced neural network AIs that had to be trained on how to behave. The instructional posters with checks and crosses imply they were like children learning right from wrong. And of course the big smoking gun is Freddy, whose feelings clearly surpassed his original programming. So yes I absolutely believe Monty's story was one of envy. The virus heightened the emotions in the glamrocks, resulting in their extreme behavioral disorders. Basically it caused their quirky animal-like traits and personal desires to override their learned sense of right and wrong. Look at Roxy and Chica, the former was chasing gokarts like a dog while the latter was pecking around like an actual chicken. What do alligators do? They get violent and territorial.
"why would monty destroy another animatronic out of jealousy? he's a robot!" chica tries to eat, roxy is horribly insecure, and freddy shows all sorts of confusion, why wouldn't monty be able to be jealous?? EDIT: also certain events really just bring out the worst in people, we're all pretty normal people yet we all have some serious regrets or have done some awful things. just because monty did one awful thing, seemingly out of jealousy, doesn't mean he's always doing awful things EDIT2: okay i really gotta listen to the whole argument before trying to tear it apart -_- anyway, killing freddy would get monty nowhere, they would just replace freddy with another freddy, he's the face of the brand after all. maybe destroying bonnie was a way to get to freddy, dunno!
Now that we’ve seen Bonnie destroyed, everyone thinks that Monty has to be the culprit citing the gash marks on Bonnie’s chest. But something occurred to me: if those gash marks are from the sharp bass playing claws that are mentioned in another message, then it couldn’t have been Monty who did it because he wouldn’t have gotten those claws until after Bonnie disappeared.
Every video with a chill cat in it gets an automatic like! Its like you stare at the kitty, because its cute, and then you black out and now it is 2 hours later and you now know WAY too much about FNAF without knowing exactly why. All you remember is the kitty. It's a stealth attack, which proves RyeToast us cat in disguise.
Maybe Bonnie slipped on a spill that wasn't marked and smacked himself in the head with the bowling ball as he fell, and all the wet floor signs feel guilty.
The logbook tally marks, if made into letters, spell out EEEDEE. Or it could be EJOTXCH if each tally continued from the last one. If we translate this to numbers, it is 5-10-15-20-24-3-18. This is probably nothing but it could mean something. Maybe it's like a Konami code?
if i recall correctly, the only glamrock cassie doesn't express sympathy for is monty. ofc there's roxy, then her concern for chica, and when she finds freddy, she asks if he's okay, and even after being chased by the animatronics the whole game, says "please be functional." but i can't think of a single instance where she is worried about monty. immediately being scared by him, she just calls him "that freaking monty thing." idk if there's any meaning to it or if she just dislikes monty, but i thought it was interesting (also: monty's fizzy-faz machines are the only one that get replaced in AR) idk whether or not monty was programmed to do what he allegedly did, but i think saying the glamrocks don't have complex feelings is a bit disingenuous, but maybe that's just me. freddy and roxy are clearly capable of it, what with freddy having existential moments and mourning bonnie, and roxy experiencing self-doubt and her slew of emotions in ruin
There are still a bunch of questions IMO: 1. Timeline questions - how much later SB is than Ruin, when did Gregory meet Cassie, when did Gregory return, draw the comic pages, etc 2. Ending canonicity questions - if PQ is canon why is Freddie in game in a Prototype shell, why are all three hostile animatronics damaged, why did Chica's voice box get returned but not Roxy's eyes, why is the Blob canon and Burntrap apparently not despite his rooms being in-game 3. Why is Cassie able to do the completely impossible stuff she does in game, like see pop-ups in her eyes, walk through solid objects, teleport, etc. Some thoughts 1. Chica needs her voice back so she can be voiced in the next game she is in. I would expect her to not be an antagonist next time we see her. 2. I would bet the wet floor signs and Bonnie are tied into why kids are missing at the Pizzaplex, a topic I think everyone has sort of forgotten about. Without Burntrap in game it makes Vanny have no obvious reason to be doing what she does in SB, and no reason for those kids to die. 3. The Glamrocks are 100% sapient AI people! Maybe because of the haunting/remnant stuff rather than because of advanced AI itself but they are not automata. IMO: Glamrock Bonnie is killed by PROBABLY Monty as Monty first wants into the band and then to run it. The wet floor signs are each possessed by either one of the souls of the kids who went missing, or a blend of them all. Deactivating them all frees the souls. These souls were being used to reactivate Burntrap, but after the Blob destroys Burntrap they tried to reactivate the OTHER dead bunny animatronic. This also explains why the Blob sticks around in the Plex, as the surviving wet floor signs are bits of soul/remnant for it to absorb.
Oh and more Qs: why does Cassie have an encyclopaedic knowledge of the layout of the Pizzaplex, why does the Mimic specifically want Cassie, where does the mimic learn about Cassie, where does it retrieve the voice clips of Gregory saying all the words he does, including the word Cassie that never comes up in SB, why does the Mimic's voice falter for a bit near the end of the game, why does the Mimic say "I'm Gregory" to Cassie at the end when it is obvious he is not, how has the Mimic kept having power in that locked room all that time when concreted up, etc.
The answer to quite a lot of these questions seems to be "IDK, robot kids lol" and if that ends up true I think Matpat's team will probably never shut up about it
Good thing there are more quality people than myself. I was gonna foolishly suggest the tally marks might have been equating to Bass Guitar Strings and spells out a message, except that Monty and Bonns only play 4 string Bass. Can't spell much with E, A, D, and G
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What questions do you still have about ruin?
i would LOVE to finally get some closure about what happened to glamrock bonnie. the whole mystery revolving around him is so interesting but also really intense (majority of the fans refusing to give monty a chance because they are 100% convinced he killed bonnie, the fandom fighting with eachother about who they think is behind his death, etc.) so it can be pretty overwhelming. I also would've liked to see cassie, or anyone really, interact with bonnie; having her say nothing after seeing his lifeless body was especially underwhelming considering he was her dads favourite animatronic at the mega pizza plex.
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Who hit the door at the start of ruin?
I believe it's springtrap.
I wanna know where the fuck the gigantic music man is I had a feeling g he tunneled out but why
just one: why am i sexually attracted to glamrock bonnie?
Glad someone is giving the original saying its proper credit. It's a little known fact that the original manuscript was damaged so "give head to no evil" was mistranslated and the archeologists didn't see the "no legs anymore" part because they forgot to look at the floor.
Just doing my duty 🫡
Give head to no evil? That's sounds sus
@@IamhereIguess lol thats the point my guy✌
Now that I think about it, giving head is one of those phrases that makes little sense when taken literally.
@@greenamber9827well with dogs there's "giving paw" as in "give your paw ie. hold it towards me at short distance so I can shake it / put mine into it", and hence...
I can’t focus on anything when there’s a cat
Too bad
Facts
Same, I hate it but it clearly works for his branding so I'm assuming we're in the minority
*I hate how distracting him peting the cat is, not the cat itself, it is very cute
true lmao
@@jonskillings1258 it’s not that bad. I personally like it. Especially since I think it makes Rye more comfortable talking (don’t know if that’s true though).
Do you think we should be concerned about the person who built a Chica shrine hidden in a bathroom? Kind of a weird thing for someone to create.
Fair, but there were a bunch of chica and roxy mini shrines in the base game
That reminds me of a meme I saw that was a paper in the corner of a school bathroom that said “offerings for Hatsune Miku” and there were a bunch of snacks there
@@pentagonyx my catholic high school has these things in the walls where holy water and crosses are supposed to go but we don't put them in there and so once in i think 2021 someone put a pic of scomo (our ex prime minister, yes we called him that to his face) in there and people would leave bits of their lunches as offerings and whenever i walked past it made my day
It moreso seems a room beside the bathroom access via vent. Probably the same room as CFF was in the base game.
That's nothing compared to my brother's toy chica shrine in his closet
I really hope repairing Chica means something, I hope she comes back in another DLC or more added chapters (If they're planning them) and gets her redemption arc as well, Chica is always pushed to the side and she deserves better than this, I would love to see that.
Right?
unfortunately I doubt they have plans for more security breach, I think they are gonna focus fully on HW2 and then whatever's next, my theory on why we got ruin is that the community didn't like security breach, so they gave us a free dlc as a sort of "Sorry, we messed up, here's a gift!"
@@TIME-DEV Well, Yeah true, But the thing is, Ruin ended on a massive cliffhanger and and all that and there's no way they end it like that, That would be a terrible ending to all of this, Especially with all the questions this DLC has offered, You never know what they're planning, They could work on it after they're done with Help Wanted 2.
@@TIME-DEV Another thing, Idk why they'd have Roxy say Cassie's name in the end of the credits and not continue the story.
@@shadowbowser5674I think that implies a sequel, not more DLC.
It would have been really cool to see a “fix” to Gregory destroying all the animatronics since it seems like a lot of the players didn’t like having to do that. In Ruin Cassie could have saved/ repaired/ allied with the animatronics and either teamed up against the mimic/ burn trap/ tangle/ evil Gregory (basically who ever Steel Wool decides is the bad) or reunited with good Gregory, Vanessa, and Freddy to stop the bad guy
I personal don’t get WHY people had issues take out the animatronics. Heck all these games and years being hunted down by this robotic menaces! I was GLAD to be able to go up against these guys in some way or form. To run the fade finally.
To me Gregory is a top-five horror character for that. He is a real one. Running these guys pockets at young age. Running the fade with 3 killer animatronics. Plus he powdered Vanny’s 🍩 . Plus the Blob. Plus going down to finish off Burntrap. Putting these guys down before they do any more damage or kill any more victims. Number 1 horror character is always going be Leon from the Resident Evil series. He is the man.
@@sleepylmguy9968 It's because these ones are actually sympathetic and feel like humans because of their heavily advanced AI, Unlike all the other ones who are possessed by vengeful kids and some others in the past who are actually evil by nature, Not to mention the Glamrocks were hacked by the Mimic1 program to try and kill others, Another thing to mention is that Freddy really cares about them in the base game.
@@shadowbowser5674 OK, but it's also no reason for the fandom to hate Gregory, like he has no reason to save the animatronics that tried to kill him, and since Glamrock Freddy was the only one who didn't want to kill him but help, it's obvious that Gregory will have more empathy by Freddy than by the other animatronics, after all, Gregory is not a fucking hero to SAVE THE ANIMATRONICS, he is a human child and obviously he doesn't need to help some machines and as the princess quest is the canonical ending he cared about saving Vanessa who is a HUMAN PERSON and Gregory and Vanessa himself, they even did everything they could to not let the Mimic escape or kill more people in the world, which is why everything Gregory did in Security Breach and Ruin DLC is justifiable.
A large percentage of players didn't like obliterating the animatronics? Will you please present some statistics?
I mean it seems likes they kinda wanted to but ran out of time, leaving only Chica's repairs.
We're questioning the programing and saying, "It doesn't make sense to program them to be jealous." You know what else makes no sense? Making all of the animatronics weak to lasers and flashes from FazCams, cameras that the company sells for people in the audience to use while the animatronics are preforming in the middle of a laser light show. They are weak to two things, camera flashes and lasers, and they are constantly exposed to both of those things whenever they preform.
Woah. Yeah logic is kind of out the window huh
Speaking on the programming part 9:26 it's auctally extremely clear that the ai have " evolved in some way as seen with Chica obsessive eating, Roxy's insecurity and montys rage. Those traits even if originally programmed there's no way they would've been programmed to the point of being an auctal problem for staff to handle. Monty literally does not come to shows sometime and chica's eating problem was " fixed " by just stuffing a trash bag to collect the food that she is MECHANICALLY UNEQUIPED TO EAT. Then there's Freddy's whole thing once you reach the entrance to the blob and it's pretty damn clear that there's something more to the ai. Furthermore the glamrocks are the stars currently and it'd be boring to have them just be " normal " robots with just a simple ai problem in a supernatural world filled with sprits of dead children , agony amd remnant.
Yeah but I think the books confirmed that the Glamrocks aren't possessed and are heavily advanced AI, And Security Breach takes place in a distant future and AI is heavily advanced.
@@shadowbowser5674 I don’t think that’s what they’re driving. The AIs have evolved beyond what their initial programming was. They’re becoming sentient.
but it still dont make sense to put a robot that have anger issues to the stage in front of the kids if you dont want another İS THAT BİTE OF 87!!!!!!
and Aİs in security breach its still under control all that errors can be solved by fixing the program since also same thing turned them evil in the first place.
ı think its all comes back to fazbear entertainments horrible paychecks to employees :D
@@shadowbowser5674security takes place in 2035 ( which is a pretty distant future to me it,s almost double my age)
9:26 with all the AI stuff that's going on, and the character development with Freddy and Roxy, as well as the FNAF series' overall sci-fi leanings, it's absolutely possible for the animitronics to be their own people. The Funtimes were incredibly advanced robots built *in the 1980's* . I think that in the future of Security Breach, animitronics can have advanced AI.
Also, Chica literally eats from the trash, and there are notes about technicians complaining about it. So either they programed that in, or she developed that trair on her own. Same with Roxy's insecuruties line in Security Breach. So Monty could absolutely feel jealously.
(And Bonnie's last known location was Monty Golf, and Bonnie has green paint and claw slash marks on him. And a Bonnie light is what finally kills Monty in Ruin, so there would be irony/fitting there)
I mean, you could argue that Freddy's and Roxys bonds with Gregory and Cassie are somewhat part of their programming. They're supposed to be entertainers for children after all and you'd assume that their biggest priority is to protect kids at all costs
And about Monty, I don't see what's so special about him going feral in Ruin. Have you seen how demolished he is? It's a wonder that he still works. Also, we don't even know for how long Monty has been so aggressive. That could very well just be a result of the Virus messing with his programming. And I know that Bonnie was last seen in Monty Golf, but....do people really think Monty of all peolle is smart enough to successfully get away with murder? Without being caught on the cameras? Really? The guy with the voiceline "You can hide, but you can't hide!" ? That just sounds wrong to me
@@snakesareamazing I was more referring to the weird traits of Roxy and Chica (insecuruties problems, and eating trash). RyeToast said that Monty and the other animitronics are not people, and can't actually experience emotions. Yet Fazbear wouldn't program things like eating garbage and self-esteem issues into their robots. Therefore, we can assume that the Glamrocks have advanced AI, that can evolve and gain emotions and character traits.
As for Monty being able to get away with murder? Well, considering Fazbear's history with safety and having inefficient security, I don't think that is too hard. Gregory, a young child, manages to *sneak inside of Freddy, the main attraction* , and not set off any alarms. There are signs of someone living in little coves in the Pizzaplex. The repair room requires playing Simon Says to fix animitronics. Clearly the systems in the mall aren't the best at catching people
But why not both? I think we are dealing with possession(microdosing remnant, boiler room was cut late into SB) AND super advanced AI.
And they don't always have the same objectives. They are in conflict a lot. That is my observation of the characters.
@tinaherr3856 But the system was able to tell where Bonnie was last seen. So why couldn't it tell what happened afterwards or were Monty was going?
@@snakesareamazing Was it where he was last seen? The message doesn't actually say it, we assume so because it's the only thing we got but it might not actually be the last time he was seen. Either way, Monty has no way of getting Bonnie to Bonnie Bowl without being seen on cameras, unless Vanny was helping him.
I don’t think it’s possible for Monty to have killed Bonnie, due to one detail in Security Breach that everyone seems to overlook- and that’s the claw upgrades that Monty has. Security Breach makes it clear he received the upgrades AFTER the incident with Bonnie disappearing, when he was chosen to take his place. Because the claws are specially made for the animatronics to play the base. Looking at the damage done to Bonnie’s body; I’d have to ask if it was even possible for Monty to have done that kind of damage without his claw upgrades.
I just had a brain blast moment with Chica's voicebox. The canonical ending to the game is believed to be Princess Quest since Freddy's in Fazer Blast without a head, the Princess' sword and lantern are on the game console in Vanny's room, and there's no collectible comic drawing of Princess Quest to be found in the game. The ending starts at 6AM when Greggory chooses to confront Vanny. The thing is though that got me thinking, we can only break 2 animatronics before confronting Vanny, Roxy and either Chica or Monty, destroying all 3 only happens in Afton's ending. So, this begs the question, why are all 3 broken in Ruin when we couldn't have possibly done it? I believe the answer then is that canonically we destroyed Roxy and Monty while Chica was spared. That's why we could only fix Chica, Roxy's eyes are still in Freddy's head which Greggory took in the Princess Quest ending, and Monty's claws are still in Freddy's body which we can't get since his body is still alive and attacking us. That just leaves Chica's voicebox which possibly just fell out since the Pizzaplex has been abandoned, nobody was there to fix Chica until we showed up.
Good theory but to get princess quest you have to destroy chica so you can find vannys hideout and have the option to do save vanny
The Vanny ending is actually possible to get with destroying all 3 animatronics if I remember correctly, its just a massive waste of time to go through the effort to destroy the 3rd animatronic and then do the Vanny ending
@@superlemonslicer1224 In the ending freddy has montys claws so yeah all 3 get destroyed
@@ThePickleMan_ nice
Yeah I thought that there was supposed to be more than 1 cannon ending because of there being all 3 animatronics there as well as "Freddy?" But you can go back do the Monty golf mission and than go back to the door and do the princess quest ending. So in conclusion IDK
I always love these types of overviews. It helps to know what we don't know so we can figure out what we do know. This makes theory crafting way easier and clearer. People always say that fnaf lore is complicated, but when you use this type of methode, it's actually quite simple.
I have a theory.
I think its important that Ruin is DLC. Largely because SB as a whole only uses one save file, that means steps like Cassie repairing Chica, completing the Burntrap ending, could be referenced in later DLC. It's a longshot, but I feel like two more DLCs isn't impossible.
I agree maybe they will add a later update for the ending when it's on xbox since there working on it right now
It's also posible that this could have an impact on the main game not just ruin or a future DLC.
Like once they implement later DLC maybe you can unlock something in the main game. It would be weird but not completely out of reason.
@@verdantmistral442 It'd also be a very Scott Cawthon move. Remember Old Man Consequences triggering things between Ultimate Custom Night and FNAF World?
@@SatoKure no actually i dont remember that/know what you are talking about. afaik the games have no impact on eachother (and seeing as they are different PC games, its a bit hard to make them have an impact on eachother like that, not impossible tho)
could you give a better source/description of what you mean?
@@Sopsy_Hallow It was a test Game Theory did back in the day iirc, using UCN and a fresh copy of FNAF World. Getting the Old Man Consequences ending in UCN would give you the Drowned ending achievement in FNAF World.
To kinda answer the questioning of why Monty would have such strong feelings if he's a programmable robot, there's the part in SB where Roxy is by herself crying and gets annoyed when Freddy comes in, I figured that if they're not posessed they're basically sentient AI
Fnaf security breach is in 2035 after all and idk how advanced technology will be.
@@Ali-u9j6eDoesn't even really matter how advanced technology will be in our time, the FNAF universe was already far ahead of us even in the games set in the 80s and 90s. Just look at animatronics like Baby and the Funtime cast; incredible robotics work with significant intelligence capable of problem solving, walking around with no issues, and much more. The idea that SB's animatronics could be capable of learning and even semi-sentience a solid forty years later is not hard to believe.
@@yfrit_gg huh, advanced fnaf.
That definitely puts another twist on Ruin if you were able to follow through on that quest line to kind of repair all of them
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This code is gonna be quite an interesting topic for awhile, and even though the survival logbook is a good place to start, I'm not entirely sure if theyre meant to connect, considering the rooms in RUIN had plush babies, even though the logbook focuses more on the souls in Golden Freddy, and their interaction with Mike
Yeah, I think it's a stretch but it's worth bringing up
@@RyeToast it focuses on the kids in Golden Freddy, Cassidy and Crying Child. In SB/Ruin the main characters are Cassie and Gregory. In the new stories, CC is named Rory. Compare the 32 bit CC, Character Encyclopedia CC, and SB GG. Striped shirt, bandaid, favorite character, etc
CC = Rory = Gregory = GG
I would absolutely reuse a clever cypher my audience hadn’t gotten if nothing but for them to get a chance seeing how i was making it
The caution bots remind me of the Lonely Freddies. I can't think of any way that connecting them to that story would help us solve anything, but I can't shake the feeling that they're somehow similar.
I was close at finishing Chica’s Feeding Frenzy, but my friends kept distracting me.
Honestly valid, chicas feeding frenzy takes a lot of focus
yeah
thanks for the heart btw
Chicas feeding frenzy was such a pain in my Butt to beat holy moly
damn 76 likes??
I hope they add the 4th ending back in it would be cool 😄
Me too
I'm hoping they didn't scrap it but instead are saving it for later.
Let's try to be realistic. They're already building a new game, and they gave us this huge and extremely good DLC for free. Let's not get our hopes up for more free stuff from them for now.
@@fightingleafpart of me feels the DLC was free as a more apology for how SB was originally released, being that Scott has done this before with stuff like FNAF World. I expect if Steel Wool do another DLC it won’t be in the same free state this one was in, but at the same time, I feel that the pizzaplex itself is no longer going to be a set stage for further games, and anything at the location will be underneath it. Could be DLC, but could also be a completely separate game in the future, and may make sense as well since the size of the game would be reaching very large numbers that I don’t think would realistically be released as a single game lol
The DLC needs DLC
With Bonnie, the extra pieces of machinery around him are staff bot pieces and some are covered in green paint just like his stomach hatch. This hints that Vanny and /or GGY attacked Bonnie with Staff Bots. Someone moved him from wherever he was attacked to behind Bonnie Bowl and then sealed up the lane with wood planks. The fact that there's a Monty bowling ball in the room with him may also mean that Fazbear Entertainment has known where he was hidden the for a long time but still chose not to fix him. And someone pointed out that Bonnie's actually in better physical condition than any of the shattered animatronics so maybe his REAL damage is his personality chip is missing and THAT'S why he couldn't be repaired?
Fazbear entertainement knowing about bonnies destruction also lines up with the description of one of the collectibles (i dont remember which one) saying "dad wouldnt tell me what happened to bonnie", it's not that he cant but that he doesnt want to
I have been itching on my neck like a heroin addict for a new fnaf video other than a reaction to a theory for the past week. Thank you toast man
the toast dude blesses us once more with the magical content
You're welcome! But maybe you should get that checked
7:14 as Ravio's number one fan, this just made me love your channel even more
no, we know that the animatronics do have something akin to feelings. Just look at Roxy being insecure or overly confident. They may not be possesed, but their AI is extremely advanced. So Monty being jealous enough of Bonnie to get him kicked off the band, that is believable. HOWEVER, when looking at bonnie's design, his claws are not that of the bass player, so he was destroyed AFTER being taken off the band. That along with Freddy saying he doesn't go to bonnie bowl because he misses "him", goes with that Bonnie was likely retired to the bowling alley full time before he met his end.
Yep. Yep, and yes. Well summarized.
I do think Monty did it, but I don't think it was Monty calling the shots. The damage matches up with Mimic too well. The head and limbs of the endo are all disconnected.
Ok but why is he still in a glam rock fit why wouldn’t they change clothes or suit to that of Bonnie bowl mural from sb they obviously had the concept for it
@@Hex.A.Decimal dang good call out
@@zacharymcleod8050 Tank you.
Clue- Monty on the Catwalk (carpet, fall damage) with a... bowling ball?
It's the bowling ball that throws me.
I don't know. I hope they throw SOME sort of twist to 'it was Monty'. It's so bland.
@@Hex.A.Decimal Bowling Ball seems to have been the finishing blow. It would have to have been smashed after Bonnie was already down. Think about it - if you are standing straight up and someone hits you on the head with a round object, smashing it into pieces, it would scatter/roll all over the place. It would not be piled around your head as you fall down.
(Btw if carpet you are referring to is about "carpet under Bonnie matches one from Monty golf" theory, that has been debunked, they are not a match)
Another mystery that no one talks about is the sticky notes in the back room of the daycare they are hidden but if you put on the mask they are all lined up along the wall and they are the only objects in that room that stay in the ar world
I don’t agree with the whole “it’s just a robot” argument for ruling Monty out. I mean, Roxy is too and she is pretty emotional, we see her throw a tantrum and even cry.
8:55 it's obvious, these animatronics have more advanced AI than AI we have irl, even more advanced AI than the staff bots. Why would Freddy have so much emotions in the first game? Why would Chica show signs of worry and distress in the opening animation when Freddy fell down, even being the first to check on him before his vision turned off? Why would Freddy miss Bonnie? Why would Roxy give herself a pep talk, be seen crying, and have so much self conscious behavior? Why would Roxy have an emotional reaction when she hears Cassie's voice to let her go? Why would there be lots of visuals that Monty HATES Freddy the Most and wants to be the main star of the band, not only in the Ruin ride with Freddy's head being ripped off, but ALSO Freddy being thrown in the Trash in the final golf course in the first game? Monty wants to be the Main, and Only star, and he's willing to make harsh stepping stones to make it there.
Yes you can just say they are programed to just do things to mimic emotions, but eventually, in a series where AI can mix with souls to make something else, it's not that hard to believe that the AI is more advanced that just drone behavior. Plus in a program sense, they are learning AI, they aren't Only programmed to have personalities, they also grow with those personalities. Not just the Mimic, but also not AS advanced as the mimic if that makes sense.
I’ve come to the conclusion youre a god. Youre able to brush your cat and talk about FNAF lore at the same time- both of which on their own usually require me 10000% focus(which i never have)
Well... Roxy has a problem with constantly degrading herself. It proves that they can have feelings and stuff, remember they are ai. Ai learns and adapts (sometimes) so Monty could have learned and grew to the point of jealousy of not having enough fame as Bonnie and destroyed him to move up... again its just a theory, but still
Yeah and in the books (spoilers) Charlie is a robot and bleeds,eats and most importantly has emotions.
Thinking about the way that Scott's set up the idea of remnant and agony as being the two parts of a person, I think it would fit that philosophy well to say that you can't just create a complete artificial personality that only has positive traits - negative traits will emerge whether you intend them or not.
I don't think anyone intentionally programmed Chica to be a compulsive eater, or for Roxy to have self-image issues, or for Monty to be a violent egotist. I think these are just unintended consequences. Fazbear Entertainment has a pretty bad track record when it comes to safety, ethics, or even just thinking through the implications of what they do. They make these sophisticated animatronics that don't really *need* to be as smart as they are to do the job that they're going to be given (kinda like how companies will restrict hiring to graduates even if the job doesn't need it).
So I dunno, it's not hard for me to imagine that there was an option to give them more complex personalities, and to add some kind of safeguard to stop negative emotions from emerging or from spiralling out of control... but that the higher-ups rejected that option because it would be too expensive or cause delays or something.
I think there's some social commentary here, tbh. More and more complex and sophisticated AI is being made, to the point where it can mimic human personalities... but we're not really putting it to good use. And likewise, we have smarter and smarter employees, but their expertise and wisdom is not valued.
Repairing Chica’s voice box should have triggered an alternate ending where both Roxy AND Chica take down The Mimic. They then help Cassie out of the sinkhole as well as the Ruined Pizzaplex, where Gregory, Freddy, and Vanessa all show up in a Fazbear Delivery Van to greet them.
The reason why I think Monty took out Bonnie to take his spot is because of that scene where Freddy is in the trash and showing Monty as the lead singer. He is trying to work his way up to being in the spotlight. Although yes they are programmed robots, they are also advanced Ai animatronics, taking place in the future. Although emotions are fake, they can still act like real emotions, including sadness, which we see Roxy sad in Ruins and in SB, Hunger from Chica who chooses to devour trash despite not needing to ever eat, so why not jealousy or rage from Monty? Not to mention the Monty boat ride, we know Fazbear Entertainment is known for covering up sketchy business, and at the end of the ride if you remove the shadow we can see a small cutout of Scared Bonnie being swept off by a twister made by the Monty cutout. It is possible that Vanny had control of Monty, though if that would true I don’t know how to explain the Freddy in the trash can in his room.
I've been thinking about what Glam Bonnie's room means, and I MIGHT have figured it out: What if Glamrock Bonnie's "death" scene resembles afton and the missing children?
Like- Cassie represents the puppet helping the wet floor bots, which represent the children, move on. And only after they're all deactivated, Bonnie can rest. That means that only after all children move on, Afton will be able to rest. That PROBABLY means all children would be trapping Afton in UCN along with Cassidy- but idk, you tell me if im right or am just overthinking it.
Hmmm, 🤔. You know, you might be onto something.
Or... what if it represents Afton.
We know Afton was being tethered to life by at least one soul. What if Bonnie is just a representation of Afton who was associated with Bonnie. And it is showing he is being kept alive by the souls of others. Maybe he's being kept alive by more than one. UFC alludes to the One, but the Puppet also seems to be still aware. So maybe he's got more holding him back than just the One.
Remember Rye, that the AI in the animatronics were all super advanced, and we see them acting more human, with Roxanne being so insecure. If you want to say Monty isn't capable of feeling jealous because he's a robot, then why is Roxanne capable of crying in her dressing room and degrading herself for not catching Gregory? Why is Freddy so lifelike in SB if not for the fact that he FEELS things, like when he says he misses Bonnie or that he will miss Gregory if he leaves? For once, the fanbase isn't just running wild and pushing more human traits onto these characters, because these characters are already humanlike and able to feel and have thoughts outside of their programming. Take Sun and Moon, Moon tells us in Ruin flat out that the light hurts him, if he were just a normal bot, he wouldn't know what pain is. And Sun has his whole freaking emotional breakdown pity party song when you put the mask on where he sounds like he is crying. So Chica having a ravenous appetite to fill the emptiness inside her that is never satiated, Monty lashing out and harming others, Roxy pitying herself and trying to cover up her insecurity with bravado, all of them are more human than they have ever been, and that is because of their AI's, like you said, the virus or whatever just amped them up even more.
I was thinking this exact same thing, especially when it comes to Roxy. What benefit would there be to her being so hateful towards herself? And I think we can assume she was this way before attempting to catch Gregory, as you can hear her trying to hype herself up in her room while crawling through the vents. We know she only does that to combat her insecurities.
EXACTLY!!!
what if bonnie HEARD something he wasn't supposed to. you know see no evil, speak no evil, do no evil and HEAR no evil.
Oooooooo I could see that. PLUS THE EARS!
Walk no evil
Head no evil
Null is almost certainly a placeholder, because if it was for something else they’d need another placeholder for code purposes
Good to know
@@RyeToastyeah, it’s not impossible, but I’d say personally it’s on the circumstantial side
There are actually other codes in RUIN
In the Daycare backstage (the hidden Gregory alcove) there are sticky notes on the walls with ominous scribles on them organized in a 3×3 square like a 1-9 number pad
My personal head canon is The mimic wanted to use the animatronics to spread the virus. It used Bonnie as a test run on the floor bots just to see if it’ll work (let’s say it did) and eventually went to the other animatronics Vanny and Gregory. Maybe after being the test run, Bonnie somehow broke free of the mimic and tried to help the others somehow, maybe he ends up finding the hidden balloon boy game and ended up freeing Gregory, maybe the mimic and the other catch onto Bonnie after this and Vanny used Monty or something else to destroy Bonnie or at least deactivate him in Monty golf. Vanny probably went back and scrubbed the footage of them carrying a deactivated bonnie behind a secret room in bonnie bowl to try and see if they can reactivate the virus, it didn’t work since he was in safe mode and to keep Bonnie from saving/ warning the others on how to break free, they destroy him and leave him back there I guess. I don’t have a reason for a motive but I can somewhat see this playing out in my head
I saw a comment on MatPats reaction to Funaff and it says “My theory is that the tally marks is Baby counting the kids” and it really hit me. Baby says that kids would run out in groups of 2-3 and those numbers are just added together to get 4 and 5. It could be a code or could relate to baby/ the mimic.
"Give head to no evil" you can't stop me
Obey the proverb
This is a series that started with vengeful kids in animatronics killing people because of a negligent company. An animatronic being jealous whether intentionally or it's the mimic program corrupting the AI is not that unbelievable at this point. Also Monty going out by a Bonnie sign is like poetic justice. It could be a red herring, but like it just seems too intentional to not have Monty be the answer.
I think a common misunderstanding people have about the Glamrocks is thay they're an "object acting like it can feel emotions" but that's untrue, it's already made clear they're legitimately sentient despite being robots, so their expression of emotions is real not just programming.
"monty is a robot, a programmed animatronic built by people to entertain children **not an actual person with feeling and emotions**"
*Detroit Become Human war flashbacks*
"Give head to no evil" - RyeToast, 2023.
🫡
4:40
RyeToast: “See no evil, Speak no evil, Give head to no evil”
Half of FNaF fans: “Aww Dang it”
R34 artists: Welp, guess I'll die
I thought the reason we get chicas voice box was because sense the princess quest ending is the cannon one, Gregory TECHNICALLY only either went to gator golf or fazer blast, so steel wool had to put either Monty’s claws or chicas voice box somewhere to say which is cannon
While I get your point, I think the animatronics *have* feelings, like Freddy is shown to be actually depressed over Bonnie missing. Though I still don't think Monty attacked Bonnie of his own accord. Either he did it on accident and tried to hide it or something pushed him towards it. And I still think it makes it more tragic is Bonnie was using the wet floor bots to try and reach out or view what's going on.
Quick thought I had about Bonnie’s attack; outside the mimic’s room there are a bunch of broken security nodes and I’ve heard a couple theorists thoughts that they were the result of the mimic’s first attempt at escaping (and that it was originally trapped in that room) but that it failed. My thought is this, maybe Bonnie had the same role as Roxie in the past and that he was one of the security nodes needed to be able to escape and whoever or whatever destroyed him was for that purpose. This could explain why MXES is designed to look like Bonnie. Total speculation on my part but thats what I first thought of.
Very interesting
I feel like there probably was a plan to have Cassie fix the animatronics. Because its really weird that you'd fix JUST CHICA especially since after the point in the game where you put her voice box back in, she doesn't do anything. I think there was meant to be more to it
My thoughts are that Steel Wool just wanted Chica to talk in the next dlc or game
could be cope but something tells me they might be planning some updates to the game to keep people playing, could be why it seems like we have the framework for this repairing animatronics quest but it's mostly missing. we have some precedence for this in fnaf world but i mostly just think it'd be cool
11:30 I've had the parallel of Bonnie and Golden Freddy both being active animatronics that can't move because they're physically incapable of moving brewing in my head for a while because of the Wet Floor Signs being yellow looking bears. I don't like the implications but... yeah. just something I've had in the back of my mind.
No one is looking at Roxy enough.
-her prizes in breach are always in lore heavy areas
-the huge bowling ball in ruin with her face on it is suspicious along with the green on Bonnie matching her nails
-we talk about purple and green all the time when she is LITERALLY purple and green
-my partner and I think the dialogue in breach is her and baby; baby uses Roxy to see what is going on
-once Roxy loses her eyes the *other* voice stops; the other voice also seems mimicy just like baby does
-Roxy might not have motive to kill Bonnie, but baby might
-it’s also suspicious that Roxy just magic comes to safe Cassie
-we think baby had some control through the virus on roxy-which is why she wanted the eyes back so bad-once she entered safe mode from cassie: Roxy was fighting for control like Freddy, so she stopped herself/baby by putting the forklift on top on herself
-however, we think cassie didn’t shut Roxy down but only reboot her like sun/moon, and the caused the safe mode to fail leaving babie with control
-so, baby has Roxy stop the mimic, because baby NEEDS Cassie
-we bet roxy is going to turn on Cassie in the next game
-also, foxy.exe…
-and the cartoon where foxy was unmasked
-roxy keeping the sinkhole from being sealed
-Freddy never specifies that baby took him down the hole
-vanny makes Roxy cry after she disconnects Freddy’s head
-there are two wet floor signs with a Roxy plush in a weird room with a staff bot near the laundry area
-Roxy killed Bonnie
-it’s literally in Roxy raceway
-vanny/Roxy are babys puppets
-Monty and the mimic are scapegoats
-also, Roxy is what links Gregory and Cassie (they were the only ones at her party)
-Cassie’s dad probably didn’t tell Cassie what happened to Bonnie, because he knew roxy was her favorite
We bet there is more Rye Toast pleaseeee look into roxy more!!!
Ohh my the last one might be so trueee since Roxy literally has Green Nails, and the Paint on Bonnie's Stomach kinda symbolizes it. Plus remember that roxy has sharp nails, Sharp enough to scratch a Wall (as seen in ruin)
In FNAF AR, we collect remnant for some reason. Maybe the glamrocks have remnant in them, and when bonnie was broken it went into the floor bots? Could explain the human screaming you hear when near them.
I bet the key for the Ruin tally code is gonna be in HW2. Steel Wool knew that Ruin and HW2 were gonna be pretty close releases, so maybe they gave us a lock in Ruin, and a key in HW2. The key for SB's wall code was given to us before the game released. Maybe Ruin's code will be given to us after. (also sidenote, In the Steel Wool Interview, Ray said that in watching Freddy and Friends, we were "already playing Security Breach." It's possible that in playing Ruin, we're "already playing" HW2, or vice versa. This is a bit speculative tho.)
9:15 …Umm, Freddy & Roxy? They’ve got even more personality & clearly show emotions?
When you said the wet floor bots are marked as souls, I went back and checked security breach to see if there was any mention of missing children in the Pizzaplex since I remembered the newspaper Gregory sleeps under. That ending is not canon but the conversation with Freddy that separates it from any other ending is, and it does mention that there have been disappearances.
On a different note, with the cult imagery and the circle of bots, it makes me wonder if Gregory was the only child who was brainwashed or if there were other children this was tried on. Afterall, Vanny was the only known success but she wasn't the only attempt we knew of. There was that one guy mentioned back in Help Wanted who ended up cutting off his own face rather than submitting.
You know, the repair ending makes a good amount of sense. It might be why Roxxie's suddent "back to life and tackles the mimic" moment feels so strange. Perhaps originally the mimic just kills you or leads you off in a different direction than the elevaotor or whatever. But if you repair all animatronics, Roxxie is able to comeback online and protect Cassie.
During Roxanne nodes
I felt like mimic thought she gonna deactivate but its wasn't
It's was reboot just like eclipse
"Monty is a robot, they are programmed, why would they program him with jealousy issues?"
I don't know, maybe for the same reason they "programmed" Roxy with crippeling selfesteem issues that make her cry? XD
I mean, if it where just the mimic program dialing their pre set programmed personalitys to a 100, Rocy should normaly be vain, proud and full of her selfe. Overfliwing with ill placed confident, a "I'm perfect and can do no wrong" atitute. Not a "I cry myself to sleep becouse I'm insecure about my look and my position in the band" attitude like she has now.
Some time ago I saw a video by 'NotRealName NotAtAll' explaining what most likely happend to Bonnie.
Basically, Monty accidentally pushed Bonnie off the catwalks in MontyGolf and then tried to cover up his crime.
I love the use of the terraria cave music! Awesome vid, been watching for a while and really enjoy your theories!
Thank you! I'm glad you liked it!
For the Monty question, you can also ask why is Roxy programmed to have such low self esteem issues? She is literally crying because she believes she isn't perfect. Why program something like that? If they didn't and it was the mimic, then why even give her a bit of that self consciousness for her to think she isn''t good enough?? Programming this and jealousy in them makes no damn sense but I can believe why people believe he was programmed with jealousy
You know the Bonnie mystery is one that even I'm still unsure about. I remember hearing about how Monty possibly destroyed Bonnie, but I never really was sure about that. Even today, it's one of those questions that I'm unsure about.
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I love that the cats are main characters in this channel. I wish more channels showed their animals in videos. Idk it's just wild to me that people feel they need to apologize for having an animal in their own home, on their own videos. It's even wilder to me that there are people out there that actually get upset or bothered by a person having an animal either appear or be in their video. It personally makes me sad that people will willingly shove their animal away because a stranger was upset that it was showed or appeared in the video. Welp that's my little ranty rant. I love your content and the vibes, I hope your day is as well-groomed as your cat is lol
btw: I believe that the Mimic dropped the elevator: right at the bottom of the elevator door there's a small power generator. all the Mimic had to do was cutting the generator wires. also: how did Gregory know that the Mimic was "right behind" Cassie, if Gregory wasn't at the place? how did he manage to direct her to the exit, if Greg couldn't see Cassie??? there are no cameras around down there!
I’m so glad you brought up the metaphor plushies again. I have thought about ‘give head to no evil’ way too much since that stream 😂
Things i think about ruin.
1. When grimic tells Cassie to shut down Roxy she does but when the mimic is about to attack her Roxy comes back somehow, I think the reason for this is because she could possibly be possessed.
2. I think the real culprit behind glamrock Bonnie’s demise is actually Freddy himself, maybe when he was infected by the gltichtrap virus he destroyed his friend and after being freed he forgot.
3. I think like how Gregory is either literally or symbolically meant to represent crying child Cassie is literally or symbolically meant to represent Cassidy/the ones you shouldn’t have killed.
I think there's a simpler solution for how Roxie comes back: Cassie rebooted her the same way she did the Daycare Attendant.
As woojitsu said, I think Roxy was simply rebooted rather than shutdown. Then getting down to where the Mimic was could either have been the MXES calling her in a final effort before being trapped in the box, or Roxy may have just followed Cassie's crying noises down there.
I have a small idea that the animatronics had different specific jobs (some more important than others) outside of performing for the kids. For example, I have a theory that Roxy was meant to teach kids about self-confidence since she is programmed to be confident and has a make-over area in her part of the Pizza Plex. For Bonnie, he could have been all about safety/security. Safety because maybe he was programmed to keep the Pizza Plex out of lawsuits, and security because maybe he had a direct line to police or ambulance services whenever he didnt put one of the "wet floor" bots in the right area in time. This could also give reason to WHY Vannie could have used Monty (or whatever other means) to destroy Bonnie, so that if he saw something that could jeopardize the kids or the company, he wouldnt be able to call for help.
also i just really like the idea that the Freddy was all about teaching kids kindness, Chica was abt fitness(or even body-positivity), Roxy was all abt teaching self-confidence and Monty was abt self-expression. And then you have Bonnie with the *actual* job that is to make sure kids dont slip and fall or get kidnapped.
im confused about how the animatronics work period. in security breach freddy shuts down when we don’t charge him in the charging station, but all the sudden the animatronics can go for months in critical shape without charging ???
Yeah, that might just be a slight plothole in order to help the games function in a fun to play way
Well, we see Chica getting shocked inside a Charging Station, so they maybe do search for Charging Stations
I think part of his bad battery comes from being on safety mode? It might be that way so that animatronics on safety mode don’t have free reign over the pizzaplex
So if Monty is on lockdown because of destroying something, he won’t have as much battery and therefore can’t destroy as much
It would be nice if, when you repair Chica, the trash bag falling out of her stomach means that whatever was driving her to eat so voraciously was finally reset or gone, like resetting the Day Care Attendant sets them back to Eclipse and resetting the security node in Roxy didn’t actually shut her down completely. I… still don’t think there’s any hope for Monty, he got pretty fried, but hey, maybe there’s a less angry backup somewhere that could shed light on things. Maybe he has the rest of his personality in his legs, so he’s super nice if the legs got powered up 😆
In the fnaf ruin trailer at the beginning you can see the toy bird from a distance. At the beginning of the movie alien you can see a toy bird similar to one from the trailer. In my opinion it could be related, it also came out in the same decade as the movie Brazil. Another thing, the translation of the movie alien in Hebrew is the 8th passenger because one of the people has another living being (passenger). I would really appreciate it if you read my message.
Also, when you download RUIN, the file is titled "chowda", like Chica Chowda. (Chica Chowda was an item on the menu in the faz-pad in Security Breach)
Seems to me that they have moved the the other 'repair' to later dlc. Would be nice to see gregory fix the others and 'redeem' himself.
All of the page numbers containing the tallies can be created by adding the numbers 2, 4, and 5 in a variety of ways. Not sure if that would lead to anything, but it's definitely an interesting detail knowing what we do about these three numbers being significant. Considering we know that the log book connects to Mike and the child souls, and the fact SB has his Sister Location room, it's definitely a possibility. Since there have been so many connections between the DLC and the original Silver Eyes books, it wouldn't be too surprising for the logbook to resurface as a source of code cracking.
I don't know about the wet floor bots but, I remember seeing a TH-camr make a theory on what they think happened to Bonnie. They commented on how his damage was similar to the damage that Monty had after falling from the Catwalk. And that the carpet thing under him, the pattern matched the one in Monty Golf. But, the green paint on the chest made it obvious Monty was involved, so they came to the conclusion that Monty and Bonnie must have had a disagreement on the catwalk where Monty accidentally pushed him off. When he realized what he did he tried to cover his tracks and used the bowling ball to stage a fake accident.
I need to find the one who came up with this theory.
Carpets do not match, someone spread that one around without properly checking in game. That pattern is very common and has several color variations. The one in Monty Golf has purple and pink details, the one under Bonnie has blue and cyan. The ribbons also do not have blue on them like the ones in Monty Golf. There is no carpet that matches it. (At least in base game, I did not check all the carpets in Ruin)
@@kaillah now that you mention it, I do remember someone saying something similar. I think they said it matched more with the carpet from the arcade. Not Monty Golf.
@@crazygeek7023 There is one carpet that is found inside arcade part of Bonnie Bowl. That one is the closest match I could find but it has one color wrong. (Some of the details are white instead of cyan) So unless it was a mistake that one is not a match either. I haven't looked at all the carpets in Ruin tho, so maybe there is one that matches it there, but all from the base game are different.
9:50 I mean I think that fazbear technicians wouldn’t make Chica eat trash, or make Roxy very insecure either
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imagine they all appear at the end instead of just roxy if you repair them, like roxy is holding mimic back, chica stunts him with her voicebox, eclipse holding him in the air so he can't keep going, monty is doing monty stuff and freddy brings cassie to the lift.
I still think ruin is all happening inside of a computer and most of what we see is just data that's recovered and we are playing through Cassie who is an AI herself.
Interesting. I could see that
@@RyeToast it's makes a lot of the random little things make sense like why the seemingly random placed nodes the over sized out of place stuff and a lot of the bunny stuff. 3 AIs battling and surviving from the blue rabbit security system.
Interesting theory, That would be one hell of a plot twist, Even though I don't think that's the case.
@@shadowbowser5674 to me the AI inside of a set of data make sense of the sign bots, the random node spots that shut down another location as if it was encrypted data being collected and decrypted, the information on Cassie we see in the form of the cut outs, how Roxie seems to connect to Cassie. I think her father wrote the programing and he lost her somehow added her into the programing and gave her tools to help fix things he needed help with. That's how she finds a fazrench and how doors and things are all fixed by a turn of it.
Personally I think the Repair Chica is a tease for a future update when the DLC is made available to everyone. Remember this, Ruin still isn't on Xbox nor Switch. So if this was kept out of the DLC until the release on other platforms it gives a reason to play it again or even to play for the first time on the other platforms.
Everyone always says "Where is Glamrock Foxy?" when talking about Glamrock Bonnie, but nobody ever just considers that the spot reserved for a Foxy in the crew is taken by Roxy. There is a INSANELY obvious connection with the names to be made, both are fox animatronics, and what's more is that this isn't even the first time a set of animatronics has had Foxy excluded, but replaced with another character. I point you to Mangle. He's the fourth animatronic in the Toy crew, she is based on a canid animal, and overall fulfills the same role as a Foxy in the group- Off to the side, separated from the other Main Three™.
Erm Roxy is a wolf animatronic but yeah I agree though I do kinda like the theory that foxy used to be at kids “cove” like pirate cove but not a lot of evidence
@@celery_plate my dumbass did NOT just call Roxanne Wolf a fox… Edited it.
Also, it’s all but confirmed that Kids Cove had Mangle there. It only makes sense since it’s the new version of Foxy, but also, it’s *kids* cove. Why is Mangle so fucked up? Well, Phone guy tells us that children would take her apart and put him back together again, like some sort of plaything.
@@pentagonyx all good also yeah I forgot about that yeah that makes sense
Something I feel stood out is the entry pass cutout where we grab the flashlight. The boys in between are crumpled - Monty a feral beast that got zapped by a rabbit, and Freddy ...with no heady - though the girls are still intact (and aside from them and Cassie, Sun's face is in the girls' bathrooms around the daycare).
Before the trailer leaned us towards Roxy, all we had was the poster containing Chica and what became brunette Cassie. Some questioning ally Chica, and upon seeing the cutout, I wondered if both were possible. The pale hair of the grayscale girl seemed blonde and had us suspect the likes of Elizabeth, Susie and Amelia, not to mention the Fruity Maze game in GGY. Chica also speculated to have the best shot of surviving the Afton ending crumble as she could still run and see.
Though there likely has been some changes since the posters since: Cassie's not blonde, Ruined Chica's arms look different, the font of RUIN, and the collapsed Lobby statue is blocked off.
Given the Ruin we've got seems to follow PQ3 with all 3 beyond Shattered, I wondered if sparing Monty or Chica in base could affect Ruin if it followed specific playthroughs like that. With either new models of them degraded beyond regular build, or just simply use there Shattered model in Ruin.
Here's my little headcanon (apologies if it sounds rather biased): a Ruin following where Gregory defeated Monty but not Chica, and completed PQ3:
Cassie gets in with Chica's Shattered model appearing in the food court. Now, we know Roxy's anger is specifically aimed towards Gregory, hence the audio of his in Chapter 6. Does the same apply to Chica and Monty, hence her stopping in the food court andperhapshe just ran into Cassie? It mostly seems they're just responding to MXES, but they're threats in parts like the bakery and log ride where we can't put on the mask. I also wondered if that jumpscare through the vent where we get into the bakery itself and a stone block drops down. Did Chica push Cassie clear of the drop, though 3rd person views seem to show the block hitting Chica (yet not crushing her), she loses hold of Cassie then steps back as the block drops, then we hear her knocking behind it.
When slouched in the Salon, there's no left foot in AR mode, likely implying she probably won't get back up.
Anyways, au continued: Shattered slouches in the bathroom - if there's no cheese on her model, Cassie's words of hesitation would likely be omitted. Same circumstances with her briefly speaking but falling back, but a ways after leaving we'd here her footsteps wandering off.
I considered during some point around Cassie's Chapter 6 onwards, some other kid - a blonde girl with pigtails similar to Cassie - pretty much the Ruin fanart before the trailer - gets in out of curiosity and Chica (through whatever plot convenience she had to get ahead of Gregory in the sewers) gets in and mistakes her for the one returning the voicebox (a sort of reverse of Ennard) and desired to return the favor. Of course if Chica did say this as she can talk, it'd get debunked immediately...
Marla’s fears the almighty rye toast
As they should
To flip the monty feeling jealous thing, freddy has emotions, and roxie ends up having them right before the mimic chase. So Idk
There is more weird things about the bonnie situation
- He has his own green room and stage, where he presumable was located at for some amount of time before his death, meaning that he would've left the core band/rockstar row back when he lived, so he wouldnt have been killed for his spot in the band
- The SB messages say that he left his greenroom *in Rockstar Row* to dissapear and then go to MontyGolf, meaning that at the time he was acting weird and dissapearing, he was still part of the main group. aka, he got relocated some time after that
- Bonnie is left broken on the floor in a staff accesible area (atleast before the building broke down), from the SB messages and some item descriptions, it is confirmed that real people still worked at the pizzaplex when he died, meaning he must've been left there on purpouse
- Bonnie didnt get replaced or fixed. Now on first glance it might not be weird, as in the other SB endings freddy is just outright replaced with Mr Hippo if he leaves, but those endings are arguably canon(?) and its after most/all of the staff has been replaced. What makes Bonnie's lack of fixing weird is that, not only does the pizzaplex have a plethora of spare glamrock endos, and the plastic casing is the cheap part of the robot all things considered, but ontop of that, the SB messages mention Monty breaking his legs (like how we shatter him) multiple times and getting fixed up after, meaning they def could repair Bonnie too (also, in the Tales books, the "sewer" area has discarded Animatronics including a glamrock chica, shell and all, meaning they did used to replace full robots with working copies)
- The SB message mentioning him dissapearing during the night hours cant be related to Monty murder or any other form of Bonnie's death, seeing as he got relocated afterwards, which brings in the question of what did that mean? Why was Bonnie dissapearing for extended periods of time
- Bonnie's "MIA" status is also weird in itself. It means that staff wasnt sure whether to say he left the pizzaplex/roster, or to say he would be coming back, indicating that whatever was going on was likely more complex than a broken or lost robot
- The context around Bonnie's "MIA" status is also odd, to consider a full retheme (which would be costly and put that area out of access for some time) must mean that something serious happened to the point they cant really have his image in the pizzaplex at all. This is not like how other characters are treated, as Foxy is not present yet has plenty of theming (kids cove, unfinished log ride, general imagery) and many other characters have general imagery about them all over the place, mostly cutouts
I dont really have an answer for it at all, my quick theory would be that glitchtrap kept taking over bonnie as it's primairy/personal body and do weird stuff with it, to the point the staff had him destroyed and left on the floor, likely after several failed attempts to repair and fix him, and when bonnie wasnt coming back anymore it tasked vanny to make 'burntrap' as its new bunny body
Hear no evil... see no evil... give head to no evil....... no legs
I've been saying this FOREVER but I think the main 4 animatronics ARE FUNCTIONAL MIMICS. I think they were programmed and trained to have certain personalities and worked for a long time until the specific mimic virus corrupted them
My headcanon is foxy isnt in SB because she came out as trans and is now roxy
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Man all the speculation and theories about this new DLC and for the upcoming help wanted 2 is starting to remind me a little bit of the old days of fnaf, just a little bit
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just spitballing here, but in mazercise there's a panel with 10 buttons (5 sets of 2) maybe punching the code into that could do something? I dunno, we've been so focused on what ruin added to the story we haven't gone back and seen what it changed. So maybe worth a look, idk, i feel dumb even suggesting it but i mean, one of the secrets we had was literally to take a bunch of pictures and it unlocked a secret room.
A few considerations:
1 - Chica, technically, isn't the first or the only animatronic we help in this game. Rebooting Moon into Eclipse is a "fix" and comes first. That being said, I can see why people would try to rationalize Chica being the first to be put back together and how that's meaningful thanks to UCN. Having her starting some kind of fixing side quest also seems like a fun idea, but I think it is a stretch. The way Monty is decomissioned doesn't leave any room for him to be fixed. Also, Freddy's fix is rather impossible because the head is with Gregory supposedly... which unless there are spares, would also kind of invalidate Roxy's... The more relevant question there is: Was Freddy's chest busted so that the voicebox could be taken back and then safe kept inside the arcade?
2 - Bonnie is another question I feel is misguided. We have a bunch of spare endos and Fazbear Entertainment isn't poor. Why was substituting Foxy and Bonnie for Roxy and Monty a better alternative than just getting another endo and case and just having a new set of Foxy and Bonnie? Foxy is overshadowed enough where it feels like it is legit a marketing strategy, but Bonnie isn't given an "in-brand" explanation. It is SO weird to me.
3 - Wrote this in Game Theory's video the other day. I think 2, 4 and 5 is a stand in for Morse Code. Morse is a base 3 code, with only dots, dashes and spaces. The only problem with figuring that out is figuring out the order of the tally marks. There's also a possibilty that 2, 4 and 5, depending on their position, can be a stand in for other numbers in a cypher. Like a 25 or 52 being a 7 or a 3 depending on order of operations if any. All numbers from 0-9 are achievable if so. Also interesting to note that the number balloons have colors not unlike the whiteboard tally marks, but the 5's are in yellow, what is green instead if the plain circle, so a plain circle is also a clue, most likely, if the balloon board is related to the white boards.
I'll add an extra one that bothers me:
People always called attention to the mini Music Man with rabbit ears, but there are so many variations to the little guys. Besides the rabbit one, there's also one that seems to be making reference to Sun? With one being melted, one with a missing face... I don't know, they are not 1 to 1 with the entire cast, but it does seem like there are supposed to be a lot of similarities between them and the main cast. Why? What a weird detail to include, no one would bat an eye if all of them looked the same.
All of these are very interesting, I'll see if the mores code thing work:D
I think we’re set on the idea that Cassie’s dad is the identity of the Bully that wore the Bonnie mask in FNAF 4.
Not only does the AR Bonnie mask remind Cassie of her dad by asking, “what happened to you”, and with Bonnie Bro being involved with the Bite of 83 by helping FoxyBro/Michael bring the crying child closer to Fredbear, seems to tell us that’s the answer is pretty obvious.
I completely disagree about the Glamrocks being "just robots without feelings and emotions". There were heavy hints throughout the game that the Glamrock endos utilized advanced neural network AIs that had to be trained on how to behave. The instructional posters with checks and crosses imply they were like children learning right from wrong. And of course the big smoking gun is Freddy, whose feelings clearly surpassed his original programming. So yes I absolutely believe Monty's story was one of envy. The virus heightened the emotions in the glamrocks, resulting in their extreme behavioral disorders. Basically it caused their quirky animal-like traits and personal desires to override their learned sense of right and wrong. Look at Roxy and Chica, the former was chasing gokarts like a dog while the latter was pecking around like an actual chicken. What do alligators do? They get violent and territorial.
Meanwhile Freddie acts like a mama bear towards Gregory!
"why would monty destroy another animatronic out of jealousy? he's a robot!"
chica tries to eat, roxy is horribly insecure, and freddy shows all sorts of confusion, why wouldn't monty be able to be jealous??
EDIT: also certain events really just bring out the worst in people, we're all pretty normal people yet we all have some serious regrets or have done some awful things. just because monty did one awful thing, seemingly out of jealousy, doesn't mean he's always doing awful things
EDIT2: okay i really gotta listen to the whole argument before trying to tear it apart -_- anyway, killing freddy would get monty nowhere, they would just replace freddy with another freddy, he's the face of the brand after all. maybe destroying bonnie was a way to get to freddy, dunno!
Now that we’ve seen Bonnie destroyed, everyone thinks that Monty has to be the culprit citing the gash marks on Bonnie’s chest. But something occurred to me: if those gash marks are from the sharp bass playing claws that are mentioned in another message, then it couldn’t have been Monty who did it because he wouldn’t have gotten those claws until after Bonnie disappeared.
Huh, good point.
That’s true but what bout Roxy she has green fingernails I know they’re not as big as Monty or Bonnie but they are green
Every video with a chill cat in it gets an automatic like! Its like you stare at the kitty, because its cute, and then you black out and now it is 2 hours later and you now know WAY too much about FNAF without knowing exactly why. All you remember is the kitty. It's a stealth attack, which proves RyeToast us cat in disguise.
Bonnie has a voice line that shows that Vanessa wanted him gone, he seemed to know what she was doing and was planning to stop her
Maybe Bonnie slipped on a spill that wasn't marked and smacked himself in the head with the bowling ball as he fell, and all the wet floor signs feel guilty.
The logbook tally marks, if made into letters, spell out EEEDEE. Or it could be EJOTXCH if each tally continued from the last one. If we translate this to numbers, it is 5-10-15-20-24-3-18. This is probably nothing but it could mean something. Maybe it's like a Konami code?
if i recall correctly, the only glamrock cassie doesn't express sympathy for is monty. ofc there's roxy, then her concern for chica, and when she finds freddy, she asks if he's okay, and even after being chased by the animatronics the whole game, says "please be functional." but i can't think of a single instance where she is worried about monty. immediately being scared by him, she just calls him "that freaking monty thing." idk if there's any meaning to it or if she just dislikes monty, but i thought it was interesting (also: monty's fizzy-faz machines are the only one that get replaced in AR)
idk whether or not monty was programmed to do what he allegedly did, but i think saying the glamrocks don't have complex feelings is a bit disingenuous, but maybe that's just me. freddy and roxy are clearly capable of it, what with freddy having existential moments and mourning bonnie, and roxy experiencing self-doubt and her slew of emotions in ruin
There are still a bunch of questions IMO:
1. Timeline questions - how much later SB is than Ruin, when did Gregory meet Cassie, when did Gregory return, draw the comic pages, etc
2. Ending canonicity questions - if PQ is canon why is Freddie in game in a Prototype shell, why are all three hostile animatronics damaged, why did Chica's voice box get returned but not Roxy's eyes, why is the Blob canon and Burntrap apparently not despite his rooms being in-game
3. Why is Cassie able to do the completely impossible stuff she does in game, like see pop-ups in her eyes, walk through solid objects, teleport, etc.
Some thoughts
1. Chica needs her voice back so she can be voiced in the next game she is in. I would expect her to not be an antagonist next time we see her.
2. I would bet the wet floor signs and Bonnie are tied into why kids are missing at the Pizzaplex, a topic I think everyone has sort of forgotten about. Without Burntrap in game it makes Vanny have no obvious reason to be doing what she does in SB, and no reason for those kids to die.
3. The Glamrocks are 100% sapient AI people! Maybe because of the haunting/remnant stuff rather than because of advanced AI itself but they are not automata.
IMO: Glamrock Bonnie is killed by PROBABLY Monty as Monty first wants into the band and then to run it.
The wet floor signs are each possessed by either one of the souls of the kids who went missing, or a blend of them all. Deactivating them all frees the souls. These souls were being used to reactivate Burntrap, but after the Blob destroys Burntrap they tried to reactivate the OTHER dead bunny animatronic. This also explains why the Blob sticks around in the Plex, as the surviving wet floor signs are bits of soul/remnant for it to absorb.
Oh and more Qs: why does Cassie have an encyclopaedic knowledge of the layout of the Pizzaplex, why does the Mimic specifically want Cassie, where does the mimic learn about Cassie, where does it retrieve the voice clips of Gregory saying all the words he does, including the word Cassie that never comes up in SB, why does the Mimic's voice falter for a bit near the end of the game, why does the Mimic say "I'm Gregory" to Cassie at the end when it is obvious he is not, how has the Mimic kept having power in that locked room all that time when concreted up, etc.
The answer to quite a lot of these questions seems to be "IDK, robot kids lol" and if that ends up true I think Matpat's team will probably never shut up about it
Good thing there are more quality people than myself. I was gonna foolishly suggest the tally marks might have been equating to Bass Guitar Strings and spells out a message, except that Monty and Bonns only play 4 string Bass. Can't spell much with E, A, D, and G