I think the reason why Roxy was a security node is pretty simple. She wasn't. The Mimic just recognized that Roxy was a threat and wanted Cassie to deactivate them. It's not the first time 'Gregory' and Helpi have outright lied to Cassie for their own goals.
But why did the door to the sinkhole only open after deactivating her then? Or better question, why does she have the Faz-Wrench thingy in her eyesockets…
@@playerlgamer0592 For the same reason why some objects appear and disappear whenever putting the V.A.N.N.I mask on - the little occipital chip inserted back when Cassie first put on the Mask. I didn't come up with the theory, but in essence the little chip inserted at the beginning explains the weird shenanigans that happen in mask mode. First, putting on the mask can remove solid objects that Cassie perceives. It could be that she perceives them to the degree that she behaves as though they are real in that you can't simply walk past them, and instead see little floating distortion cubes hinting that putting on the mask will remove the obstruction. The problem is that in Augmented Reality where assets are "loaded in" to our reality, they aren't really there. Imagine seeing a Pokemon Go Snorlax in your doorway to a room on your phone. You perceive that the Snorlax is there in the doorway, but you can still walk through the doorway and clip through the Snorlax since it's not real. As for the portals, the brain structure for the majority of humans is that the occipital lobe and the cerebellum are in close proximity. The cerebellum is responsible for balance and coordination of muscles, which links back to the point above in that Cassie fully behaves as though the obstructions are there. Having a third party control the cerebellum while preventing the eyes from perceiving anything would give the illusion of teleportation. The nausea that Cassie complains about is likely from having a third party control her body to get from point A to point B in a manner she isn't used to. There's also a hijacked Helpy line claiming that she got there with her own two feet, which technically wouldn't be lying, but the bigger point being that the mimic is tricking her into believing she still has full control of her body when she actually doesn't. Tying this back into your questions, there are a few answers to the first one - It could be that the mimic perceives Roxanne as a threat. How it came to that conclusion eludes me, but based on Roxanne's sudden compassion for Cassie in likely being the only individual at her Birthday party, it may see her as a threat to it's plans because Roxanne could get Cassie to relapse and turn away from the goals the mimic has in mind. Roxanne clearly has the desire to protect Cassie from the cutscene where we find out about the mimic, and going down a dangerous tunnel to find a friend without the help of adults isn't the safest idea. M. X. E. S. wouldn't be keen on letting a Child release a murderous robot posing as a Child. Furthermore, Roxanne was likely the only tangible threat left to the Mimic. M. X. E. S. isn't tangible, and can only call animatronics, in and of itself it can't stop Cassie. Monty had been electrocuted in water, so he was likely out of commission for good. Chica wasn't doing the best Power-wise as she often has spells where she shuts down and fell into a broken charging tank before being able to walk around for an extended period of time before collapsing again in the bathroom, presumably no longer a threat. Freddy is an odd case since putting on the mask removes him from Cassie's vision, but the sounds of him getting up aren't processed in either the Cerebellum or the Occipital lobe. But since the two areas mentioned previously are in the back of the brain, it's possible that the chip can play tricks on Cassie's hearing in signaling sounds that aren't there. Either way, keeping the mask on removes Freddy from play, and the S. T. A. F. F. bots are all likely out of charge or decommissioned since the only one that has the potential to work for more than 30 seconds is the mask bot. The one that gives Cassie the flashlight chimes for a few seconds with the tell-tale dying battery lowing pitch and the struggle to stay upright. There still is the Music man that dwells in the vents, but he might not have the credentials to make it to Cassie to jumpscare her in time as a way to prevent her from reaching the Mimic. That really only leaves Roxanne. We know that she eventually figures a way out from under the Forklift so she wasn't completely immobilized, and we know she has the desire to protect Cassie because she followed Cassie and fought against the Mimic. It could be some form of manipulation from the Mimic by giving her resolve to find what Cassie believes to be Gregory by adding a death of a character Cassie values greatly. For whatever the reason, it is likely based on the fact that to the Mimic, Roxanne was just a loose end that needed to be tied up. For the second - My guess is that the mask isn't really there and that instead it's another construct by the chip in Cassie's brain. With the fact that the eyes of most entities are a point of vulnerability, it would make sense to create the illusion of a Faz-wrench port in the eye area that would either permanently or temporarily deactivate an animatronic. The back of Eclipse's head isn't electrically insulated from the Faz-Wrench either, and it's entirely possible that the Faz-Wrench could have fried Sun and Moon to make Eclipse. Similarly for Roxanne, because of the nature of her upgrade was her eyes, there was likely a high amount of wires from her eyes connecting to her processor since her eyes were meant to help her race better. Since we likely don't have direct access to it, shoving a lot of electricity through the wires leading to the processor could cause it to short, as Roxanne's processor did short before she was temporarily deactivated. This is just my speculation of course and I'm sure it has a lot of holes in it, but it's simply my theory on the matter.
@@playerlgamer0592to be fair, Sun/Moon have one on the back of their faceplate, so it’s likely most if not all of the animatronics have one too, like a reset button just that Roxy and Sun/Moon’s ones are more accessible.
Or, in contrary, I believe that all the animatronics WERE security nodes, but those nodes were shut down anyways. Let me give a list of the animatronics and their nodes: Freddy - Too far to be an active security node Chica - Shut down, just to be repowered and shut down again, disabling the security node Monty - Gets absolutely fried, destroying all of his systems, including the security node, disabling it Roxy - Self explanatory; you disable the node, but that is all you disable, leaving her active Sun/Moon/Eclipse - You reboot them, and in the process, disable the security node within them, but leave them active (Like Roxy) Bonnie - His systems are proven to be unsalvageable, and even if not, it is unclear whether or not he was around when the nodes were added Therefore, I believe that all animatronics (bar from Bonnie) have security nodes, but you just don't realise it.
One interesting thing about Chica is, that now when eating, she will turn her head by 180 degress to look behind her. She probably does this because she is most likely traumatised by Gregory severely damaging her when she was eating
@@prufan also to Roxy and Sun too (Monty deserved it tho). He severely damages Roxy and takes her eyes. Sun literally suffers when he turns into Moon. But Gregory shut down the lights anyway despite Sun's warning. Gregory clearly is brutal. I wouldn't be surprised if he was actually the one who tried to kill Cassie in the elevator ending, and not the Mimic (some people think that the last Gregory lines in the elevator as well as crashing it were the mimic and not Gregory)
@@obambagaming1467 tbh i like the idea of greg doing that because it makes a lot more interesting and has plenty of story potential. We’ve seen the child murderer but have we seen a CHILD murderer?! Idk just a thought
@@obambagaming1467 To be fair, it's not like Gregory knew taking the badge would shut off the lights. Also you are acting like it doesn't hurt when Moon transforms back into Sun.
Actually the relationship with Roxy and Cassie makes perfect sense! Roxy only wanted to hunt down Gregory, same with the others. Roxy, still having awareness, doesn't wanna hurt just any child. This is how she acts with most kids. Gregory is an exception
@@ItsRickysChannelSHORTSon top of that Gregory was an intruder and not on their guest list. cassie, since she had her birthday planned out at the pizzaplex, definitely was on the guest list.
But the question here is why is she after Gregory without the context of him taking her eyes and causing her accident on the racetrack because she was out for blood before those events. For Monty it’s already stated that he has been overly aggressive, it seems that Chica is different but also still somewhat doing here job likely do to Vanny’s influence. But Roxy seem to have Like a vendetta against him my theory she has a little hate for him cause he is friends with Cassie keeping her form being Cassie’s Number #1. We know she has a thing for being the best so it kinda fits for me look deeper maybe you’ll find something else but to each there own.
@@ArmadaX1 Roxy, Chica, and Monty were ALL under Vanny's influence initially. After ruin, Chica and Monty are mindless but Roxy isn't. She still wants to get Gregory.
Quick mini theory: Roxy wasn't really a node, she just was too conscious and after she pointedly did not kill Cassie and even acted neutrally towards her, the Mimic wanted to get rid of her in case Roxy tried to get in the way of it killing a child (which she did)
The fact that the "Prototype" Ruined Freddy _still has Monty's Claws_ (albeit without the casings) is another detail that makes it seem more likely that this IS the decapitated body of our Freddy, with the "Prototype" stamp on the foot being added in as a clarification as to why Freddy was the way he was in the main game.
My personal opinion is that when faz entertainment found ruined Freddy when they started demolishing the pizza plex they assumed he was a prototype and put the stamp on him and abandoned him when they left the pizza plex cause it was hard to demolish
The thing with that is that Monty still has his endo hands. they had the chance to completely remove them but they didnt even do that. they CHANGED them in fact to look different from the rest. I still think that ruined freddy is our freddys body but the claw upgrade is just dumb.
@@chastox Yeah. I never understood that. We took his Claws. Shouldn't he no longer have his hands. Unless they were only a cosmetic casing upgrade. There's no reason he should still have hands. He should've been like withered Chica.
To explain roxy being a security node. It could also be that the mimic considers itself gregory to an extent. So when Roxy jumps at sounds trying to tear gregory apart, it identifies her as a possible threat that needs to be eliminated. Thus mimic orders Roxy's shutdown. However, Cassie's tool doesnt shutdown animatronics permanently, it seems to only reboot them. Possibly an oversight on the mimic's part.
This actually sort of makes sense as Roxy isn't a security node and doesn't act like one. There' no rabbit node hovering over her and no child nodes to turn off first.
Adding to that, By the time Cassie shuts off Roxy, Chica is out of power, Monty is dead, and the daycare attendant is preoccupied with cleaning up. That leaves Roxy is the most functional and available of the glamrock crew, despite the loss of eyes. Combined with the fact that she was friendly to Cassie, meant that she had the most potential as a threat and definitely had to go.
@@Youarewhatyoueatsonic The Mimic also probably didn't mind the daycare attendant because he's mostly harmless as Eclipse, seeing as only his least friendly personality is actually hostile in any way.
Another really cool touch regarding Cassie's love of Roxy shows up early in Monty Golf almost immediately after she gets the mask. If you look at the Monty Fizzy Fazz machine on the ground, with the mask on, it changes to Roxy. It seems to imply that the mask subconsciously alters the perception of the wearer to make them more comfortable with wearing it.
Another little secret that was only recently discovered -- in the lower level of the gift shop at the very start of the game, if you go up to the Roxy plush on the counter, Cassie will say "cool" not very important but it's a nice subtle nod to their relationship.
@@DrPeeper it seems too specific to be an error, especially since we find out that Roxy is Cassie's favorite practically at the beginning of the game when she gets the walkie-talkie
I kind of like what they did with Monty. His problem in the original was that he was filled with aggressive rage, and now he has devolved into an almost literal mad dog. I also find it kind of funny that losing half of his body has actually made him more mobile. And while I kind of wish they had done a bit more with Chica, the fact that she is still just the grossest animatronic pleases me.
My one theory about the mimic is that the reason it uses that weird, stitched together suit is because, down in the old pizzeria, it could hear Candy Cadet endlessly telling its stories, which all feature the theme of several things being forcefully made into one thing. From there, its programming compelled it to mimic what it learns, and stitch together multiple suits into one.
Perhaps the Mimic's voice starts to change towards the end because he is getting impatient or too anxious to escape, or maybe he thought he already had Cassie in his hands and that she came so far that it didn't matter to do a perfect imitation anymore, Cassie wouldn't go back.
possibly, or maybe the mimic was starting to forget what greg sounded like. i mean it had to have been at least a year or two since the main game so maybe it was trapped so long that it was running out of space in the old data bank and was slowly starting to forget over the course of the game
A lot of people forget that in the trailer for ruin the 'prototype' written on Freddy's foot wasn't there either, it was something they most likely added in last minute to tie up loose ends. Freddy being a prototype would completely explain why he malfunctions and is able to resist the mimic virus, because his program is still under development and faulty/bugged.
It being added as an afterthought only increases the feeling that it was added specifically to make Prototype Glamrock Freddy distinct from the original.
@@blazethegryphon9990 I don't see that being likely though tbh. As also explained in the video, Ruined Freddy and SB Freddy somehow have the same damage from the endings and another Freddy randomly appearing just for Ruin wouldn't make any sense either, cause where did the prototype Freddy come from? and where is the 'real' Freddy? Taking into consideration that Security Breach was rushed and a lot of plot holes were left, Ruin was made to fill in some of those holes. Steelwool adding Prototype on Freddy, and like I said, was most likely to tie a loose end expanding Freddy's behavior in SB.
@@Weiner_WaterThe missing head and injuries do match, but why add the writing if not to distinguish the two? Either it is a red herring to try set up something later, or the injuries are misleading and Prototype Freddy got released during whatever caused the Ruin the way it did. Unless it is made clearer in Help Wanted 2, we have nothing to prove it is the same Freddy beyone a very distinctly new feature, in a position that is ment to be seen.
Something to note: sun would only ever talk to you when you had the mask on, whcih could mean that it ISN'T actually them switching between the two, and sun can only communicate with you via the digital world since he is, like he keeps saying, "trapped in a nap"
i heard a theory, that i personally really like: whenever cassie has the mask on, animatronics will ignore her, as they see her as an employee and not a child. when the mask is off, moon sees cassie for who she really is, but when the mask is on, the sun sees cassie as an employee who can help him in his plight.
@@FScotsman4472 i don't remember who or where, but someone mentioned that the tone Sun uses to talk to cassie sounded super fed up, like most employees (since that's what hes viewing cassie as) don't listen to him when he is telling them to do/how to do something.
roxy's connection to and bond with an actual child makes it believable for the very first time that she could exist in a space such as the pizzaplex. other than this dlc, she just comes across as narcissistic with very few qualities that I could imagine a child ever looking up to. but roxy actually remembering the exact details of cassie's birthday party really deepens her previously very one dimensional character and makes it genuinely believable that she would exist around children and genuinely enjoy her time with them.
roxy? a very one-dimensional character? she's literally the most complex character in this whole game, even before the dlc. she has more sentience and personality than even gregory. especially if you recognize that roxy is a very insecure animatronic. when you shatter her, she literally spends most of it crying.
@@lightningdash231 I don't disagree that she was more dimensional than most of the cast before the dlc at all, but that's a very low bar. It just really opens up more of her personality when you see her doing what she was literally made to do: interact with a kid and be empathetic towards cassie.
Too bad they didn't do the same for Monty and Chica, they just decided to double down on their lack of personality, imagine if they had given Monty an actual personality other than angry
@barozukos7791 it's really crazy how full of personality roxy, freddy and sun/moon/eclipse are compared to literally everyone else. kinda makes me wish they kept the valley girl voice they were gonna give chica. i for one though am completely fine with monty in this dlc. his mental state has deteriorated to the point that he's basically a rabid animal and has practically become a real life alligator. makes him a lot more memorable than he was in the base game.
It feels like the ruined animatronics are a reflection of fnaf communities general feeling on the animatronics. Chica is very basic, but the community doesn't dislike her and has some sympathy for her. So the game allows us to take pity on her and slightly ease her pain. No more, no less. Monty is widely considered the most evil of the Glamrocks, so he naturally devolved into a feral animal that we kill with no real regret. And lastly Sun/Moon and Roxy are by far the most loved of the antagonist animatronics and the ones who garner the most sympathy and support. So naturally they are the one we are able to fully help.
Now Roxy became one of the community favorites as well (well she already was, but now people liked her even more). Also she is still alive in the elevator ending (she calls out for Cassie). I think the elevator ending might be the canon one. Hopefully she will return and help Cassie. I agree with Monty. He killed Bonnie just to take his place. Even then, he still hates Freddy. So his now animalistic behaviour and eventual fate serves him well. I am also glad that we were able to help Sun/Eclipse. He even thanks us. But I still feel sorry for him, because he expects that the next day, the daycare will be filled with kids and he has to prepare. Sadly, he will be disappointed. He isnt aware what happened.
@@obambagaming1467 I think that Monty lost his temper and wrecked Bonnie in a “second degree murder” situation, given his poor impulse control. He and Bonnie probably had some sort of argument, and then Bonnie walked away, only for Monty to pursue him back to Bonnie Bowl and attack him.
Admittedly, I actually didn't doubt animatronics being waterproof before Ruin released. While it's probably less intentional, you can walk Freddy in the daycare fountain with no issue. I haven't read the Twisted Ones beyond your rewrite, but I think there may've been a part where they try fighting them off with water, it fails and Afton says "did you really think my robots would be as poorly designed as your father's?" Not to mention the lack of facing them with water from what I've seen. Only exception I can think of is the Security Puppet in the rain.
I thought the sec. puppet was made to protect Henry’s kid. IE the “poorly designed” Anamatonic is that referenced to. Being killed by rain failing to save the kid, tho they were stabbed. Dunno what they could’ve done lol.
Hot take: I wish they did something different with Monty instead of making him the bad animatronic. Make him like a punk rock rebeal character since it seems too easy to make him a bad guy. Showing how just because somebody look like something doesn't mean they are.
On the subject of Monty, I really hope the story told with the cutouts in the Gator Golf ride is canon to what happened and not just Fazbear propaganda to explain Glamrock Bonnie's disappearance. My reason isn't just because Monty is my favorite Glamrock animatronic and I personally don't want him to have killed Glam Bonnie, but because I think that backstory could be used as a compelling way to explain Monty's ego. The basic story told by the cutouts is that Monty started out as a small-time musician, playing at tiny, seemingly self-made venues with a bass that looks to be cobbled together by himself. He is shown to greatly admire the Glamrock band, and is liked enough by Bonnie to be given his bass, by Bonnie himself, and take his place upon his retirement. I mean, if someone in your favorite band thought you were hot enough stuff to personally name you a successor to them, I think that'd get to anyone's head. Point is, narcissists aren't born, they're made. Understanding that, and showing what made Monty the way he is would be far more compelling than him simply being like that since his construction. But alas, that just doesn't seem like the direction they're taking his character, which is disappointing.
@@vsnake8663 it seems a little silly to me to believe that's only there as Fazbear Propaganda™. Because if _that_ had been the real intention, the base game would've come out with the cutout story alongside the suspicious security logs, right? [If steelwool follows logic and basic story comprehension, which... they might not but, yk]
@@Depressed_Dandelion Well, I'm not entirely sure, given the turbulent development of base Security Breach and how much was cut from the final product. You raise a good point, but I can't be certain what story Steel Wool is trying to tell given their track record.
As a side note, anyone else notice the distinct tone shift between blue- and yellow-eyed Helpi? Blue tends more to a formal, impersonal tone (the best description I can think of is that he sounds like a tutorial or instruction pop-up, which given the implications about Vanessa's backstory she's likely familiar with how they read) whereas yellow tends to be more casual and directed specifically at Cassie. Definitely makes it seem like blue is the default, functional, version (ie the version an actual technician would be using) and yellow is an external force.
According to AstralSpiff/his chat, the Mimic is called "Grimic" (Gregory plus Mimic) in the files. The ending with Gregory, Vanessa and Helpy on the hill is appearently called "Brazil ending" in the files.
There IS a movie called Brazil were the protagonist I believe imagines paradise to cope with his own death. Imo this is definitely Steel Wool's way of saying in the ending where you disobey Gregory, make a wrong turn and get chased into a dead end by a killer robot, Cassie decides to imagine her friend safe and sound while possibly getting killed by the mimic.
I think the Mimic was lying about Roxy and, realizing that she would definitely try to help Cassie, put Roxy in a position where she could be shut down. The Mimic does have some access to the Pizzaplex network so probably lured Roxy into getting stuck on the forklift, then told Cassie that Roxy was a security node to get her out of the way. Unfortunately for the Mimic Roxy survived... somehow.
If you think about it, the whole thing with Sun & Moon turning into Eclipse after she inserted the faz-wrench just rebooted Moon So when the game had us “deactivate” Roxie, we basically did the exact same thing as we did in the Daycare, we just stuck the Faz-Wrench into her and it did the same thing it did to Moon, rebooted the animatronic
She rebooted like eclipse and honestly if there is more after this i can emagine cassie surviving the fall finding out she needs to fix and reboot everyone starting with roxy and they will all gang up to stop the mimic together possibly all dying or pulling a fnaf and none of them dying but seeming to die. Roxy was no longer under mimics influence they can say the reason monti killed bonnie was because the mimic infected him first. Freddy resisted the infection and chicka was somewhere in the middle of partially resisting the infection reduced to simple computations of only remembering she likes pizza kinda like a zombie and brains. this would probably be the route that would make everyone fairly happy but im sure others will say it was just a way to keep things going so who knows
I think it was the Blob that reactivated Roxy. It was there the whole time. Watching. Listening. It must want the Mimic either trapped or game overed for good.
Honestly the mimic feels underused at this stage. Like it leads you to it and then just chases you normally. An interesting alternative would have been releasing it towards the middle of the game and then having the other animatronics become friendly trying to help you contain it. Except it can now mimic them, making you think it's them and luring you towards it. Maybe it finds spare casings so it can trick you. Basically making more use of it being a Mimic
What if instead of Cassie seeing the Mimic and realizing she was tricked, there was an entire section where the mimic was chasing you while still talking to Cassie. Saying stuff like "You need to go towards the animatronic! It's your friend!" "Don't you trust me?" "It's me, Gregory. Listen to me"
Maybe this could work for Roxy and Esclipe trying to fend off it with Roxy attacking it and Ecslipe helping you in other ways Don’t know about the others though
@@kirbyfan2088I think repaired Chica might be made conscious again, similar to how Roxy remembering Cassie's party made her break free from vanny, and people have speculated repairing Monty or even Bonnie, so they could come back. Definitely not Freddie though, he already exists and even though two freddies interacting would be hilarious because they would just exchange pleasantries forever, I don't think steelwool would do that
Seems to be just Thrown in at this point... But there is a little bit of evidence that it was Always there.... Kinda dumb that everything that explains it is in Books that no one would normally read anyways
While it was a bit sudden, I really liked Roxy & Cassie's dynamic. From what we can tell, Roxy has a lot of emotional and self worth problems, which she hides with her bad attitude, but if she lets someone get close her, she's genuinely sweet. I'm 100% making fanart of them together, I can't get over them!
I think the idea with Roxy's sudden shift towards friendliness is that she went through the same glitch that Freddy went through at the beginning of the game. Think about it: Freddy recognized something, glitched out, went into safe mode, and was friendly for the rest of the game; Roxy recognized Cassie, glitched out, and then the next time we see her she's friendly and talking in the same way Freddy does. But Roxy seems to take more of an active protector role, attacking the Mimic and giving Cassie time to escape, rather than Freddy just allowing Gregory to hide inside him. It makes me wonder what Monty and Chica would've been like in safe mode. There's a universe where Security Breach starred Cassie and Roxy, and where Freddy is a bad guy with his own personality quirk to match the rest of the cast, and I wanna play that game.
Honestly I could see sage mode Monty bring equivalent to a "cool uncle" type character instead of Freddy's more fatherly role or Roy's kind friend who happens to be am adult role, he would probably be more willing to help Gregory take down the others to protect him albeit not without a guilty conscious for doing so and would probably be shown feeling bad for what happened to bonnie if we work under the assumption he was unwillingly used to destroy them or wasn't related to the death at all. Meanwhile for a hacked freddy I could see his problem being something to do with his role as lead of the band such as being overly controlling of his band mates bossing them around even when they're all supposed to be taking orders directly from Vanessa and therefore should all be working together instead of Freddy being the "boss" and his upgrade could be something to do with his cake hatch given that the scrapped shattered freddy form and the used ruined freddy form both emphasis a destroyed compartment albeit in slightly different ways, maybe up until that point you can't actually ride in Monty but can only have him following to help in some other way sense he seemingly doesn't have his own cake compartment?
Roxy and Cassie's dynamic resonated with me despite being very sudden narratively because I had a similar life experience, both with animatronic friends as a kid and with living people later on in life. I know games are games and storytelling is storytelling, but when I was a literal child I had few friends and couldn't trust them much, and I would invite them to parties at Showbiz Pizza (it was branded as Circus Pizza where I lived) despite being teased and bullied most of the year outside of my special day. The animatronic band at Circus Pizza never betrayed my trust. I never had to wonder if they were lying to me or abandon me or use me for tokens and pizza. Sad, I know, but real. I was in some ways very much Cassie, and I placed my trust in my robot mascot friends when it was squandered elsewhere. When I got older, I met a strong, powerful, beautiful woman who took me under her wing and showed me that I was beautiful too, despite all my doubts. I have pictures of myself in makeup she did for me, standing next to her, taller and more confident than me. Yet she was also harsh and riddled with insecurities herself. I had a Roxanne. So when Cassie and Roxanne had their moment in this game, it was like Steel Wool were sampling my very life experiences, my very childhood. I know it's a less dispassionate and objective take on the story, but it means so much to me. I will always love the fact that they wrote that dynamic into the game. I feel seen.
@@Mike14264 It has a happy ending too! These days I'm much more confident in myself, I'm still incredibly close with my "Roxy" who went on to be a big sister of sorts, and I never fell down an elevator shaft!
Personally I find the designs of the Ruin animatronics to definitely fit very well with the atmosphere of how the dlc looks. Especially ones like Roxy, Eclipse, and most importantly Monty.
It’s interring to note that even though MXES controls the animatronics (or at least tells the where to go). It only makes them attack Cassie after she gets the Mask and starts tampering with the security systems. Chica aggressively approaches Cassie but probably decides there’s no threat and just loses interest (goes into a sleep mode). And even though Monty is depicted as incredibly aggressive; at the start all he does is bump into Cassie and knock her into the water. He could have easily killed her right there, but he doesn’t. It’s only after Cassie gets the mask that Chica and Monty start attacking her. (Because MXES needs to stop her from messing with the security)
This seems like a pretty good theory but another answer to why Monty didn’t kill Cassie immediately was that he was toying with her playing with his food essentially
Yeah, The whole time the Black Rabbit seems to be doing a great deal of posturing- It's trying to appear scary, It's trying to SCARE Cassie away, Or at least scare her into taking the mask off again. You'll note how it just hovers near you, never actually harming you, And it also doesn't call the animatronics on you right away- In fact if you wear the mask for the absolute minimum amount of time, you almost won't even see the Black rabbit.. It's trying it's level best to stop Cassie from progressing further *without harming her*. But it's also battling the mimic the whole way; The Mimic set up the maskbot in the first place and is offering 'help' to it's own ends through Helpi. You can bet that the Mimic is doing everything it can to distract and keep the Black Rabbit busy, even if you never see most of it playing out.
Chica might also just have had a bad battery, since she only becomes a threat again after she later falls into a fallen recharge station (and even that second wind doesn't last long before she shuts down again in Roxy's area).
MXES in my opinion is glitchtrap. It was made to be FNAF security system to hold mimic 1 (the main I.A of the place). When MXES is turned off the mimic i.a was set free while the mimic animatronic was set after that. Mimic I.A can be sseing jamming MXES, it could have take control of staff bots too.
I really like the Roxy moments since it kinda shines a light on what the animatronics were probably like before they started going haywire while controlled in Security Breach. Maybe not Monty, but getting a glimpse of what the band members were like while they were hanging out and entertaining during the day is pretty cool.
I actually like Monty just being evil. In SB as a whole EVERYONE is under someone else's control it seems like. Just have a character that is bad helps put it into relief. Like Chica is underused, but we can tell Chica is not like Monty, and that helps connect that Chica isn't bad just being controlled. If Monty was also 'deeper' than the story would be "everyone is being manipulated except Gregory and Mimic...and probably them as well, Gregory by Vanessa/Glitchtrap and Mimic by copying things without understanding them". At least there is 1 character we can latch onto as being pretty much just what we see. Also I have not seen the skeleton rabbit before this video FUCK WHAT IS THAT!?!?!
I think it also makes sense. Monty is so badly damaged. I imagine he's in pain, reverting to a feral state as something of an instinctual defense mechanism.
I just like how Freddy, the original main antagonist of the franchise, is actually scary again. It’s a really refreshing feeling to be unnerved by Freddy. Loved the video!! 🔥🤍
I feel like Freddy has always been the least scary of the core 4. FNAF 1 he's one of the least likely you get jumpscared by, FNAF 2 toy Freddy is too silly to be that scary, he isn't really in 3, he's scary but also easy to manage.
@@shadowmetroid18Wdym least likely to get jumpscared by, considering the power outage jumpscare I'd say everyone that played FNAF 1 has atleast seen it once.
@aikesscs yeah everyone has seen it but considering foxy Bonnie and Chica move a lot more and on higher difficulty it's a lot easier to let one of them slip through, you die to the others more.
It's nice they gave Roxy a redemption but it sucks a lot that Monty and Chica got thrown under the bus in the process. In leu of fanservice, sacrifices were made. I dunno, it would've been cool to add more depth to Chica and Monty like they did to Roxy.
Yeah, I'm hoping the second dlc/game (because I doubt this is it for the pizzeplex) will repair Monty and proplery repairing Chica (and maybe Bonnie, I hope so). Maybe if more DLC is added, there would be a deltarune secret boss esque secret ending, where all of the animatronics help fight mimic, black rabbit, vanny, security or Afton or all of the above. But that could feel a bit too mech fighty
Well, they gotta give Chica a break cuz she suffered from being crushed and unable to speak. Also, Monty's guilty as fuck, for being aggressive and go mad in some points.
@@Fredcat11 But you can give her a new voicebox, and just because she can't currently speak doesn't mean she can't act or communicate. With Monty, he doesn't have to be all angry and crazy.
My theory about Roxy being a node is that the security system ai, as advanced as it is, determined that cassie's emotional attachment might deter her from shutting Roxy down. It only makes that change partway through the games, which is why Roxy didnt have the same red cast as the other nodes when we first met her. As for why she's able to speak & remember cassie, I think it might be because her vital hardware is still intact despite her casing being shot to hell. Her individual attractions seem more based around interacting directly with kids, where chica and monty's roles were more as mascots for their areas. I think she could have been hardwired to be kind to kids and hold conversations with them during open hours, resulting in her speech and memory abilities being more well-safeguarded against malfunctioning & staying intact while Monty & chica's degraded.
So, I have had an idea floating around in my head for a bit. I have always found it odd that Roxy of all character had all these extra-sensory abilities. With enhanced sight, smell, and maybe even sound seeing how she can track you. It is almost like she was always built for some kind of detection purpose in the game. Now seeing how the mimic hides in plain sight, tricks people with audio, and skulks around; Roxy seems like the one animatronic that could detect and locate the mimic. A counter to it's design if you will. This maybe why the mimic wants her gone, she maybe one of the few character that can really mess with the mimic's abilities. It is also worth noting the connection between the discs you can only see with Roxy's eyes and the visuals of the AR world in ruin. I am not totally sure why, but she seems to be built differently from the others for some kind of seeking purpose. Also, I am willing to bet the daycare and the final area with Roxy where cut down to meet deadlines.
On the topic of how they could've done more with Sun/Moon/Eclipse: I could see them as basically the first actual threat of the game, showing up with basically the same mechanics as the rabbit entity, except with the flashlight instead of the mask. So once you've kept the flashlight on for long enough, there's a chance he'll drop in, sinisterly mention something about his perpetual crusade against light sources, then try to get you, forcing you to turn off the light so you can hide from him, or shine him with the flashlight to chase him away. This could then also add more narrative tension about going to the daycare, as Cassie knows she's going to have to deal with the thing that's been chasing her all night so far, and turning him into Eclipse isn't just a neat thing that happens, but actually feels useful for getting rid of a threat.
I think you kinda missed the mark when you mentioned that Roxy is suddenly being really nice to Cassie in that scene before you deactivate her. Listen to her dialogue again, it’s not just out of character, it’s nothing like Roxy’s character, but it is like someone else: Freddy. She uses the exact same vocabulary and tone of voice that Freddy uses through all of Security Breach proper. Roxy is nice here for the same reason that Freddy is nice: She’s in Safe Mode. Freddy malfunctioned, fell over, and woke up in safe mode. Roxy ran into something, got crushed by a pile of trash, and now she’s in safe mode too. It’s SAFE mode, probably activated when one of the robots take a tumble and need to be a bit less of themselves to stop it from happening again.
Or it's because Roxy has a prior connection to Cassie and that's why she's nice? Remember how when Cassie yells at Roxy to let go, she instantly does, due to recognising it is Cassie and not Gregory who she still has beef with. We know that the animatronics were kind (before the virus)and would never harm a guest, Roxy is just acting like her old self again. And I don't think she was in Safe Mode until Cassie deactivated her, Roxy then rebooted into Safe Mode like Freddy and Eclipse. It doesn't make Roxy "less of herself" it does the exact opposite.
i feel like they crammed as much situations as they could in a linear story just to cause confusion. vast majoirty of ruin feels rushed unfinished and the story legit feels ruined since SB was never fully completed so we lost alot of content
Also note that Roxy stops using contractions from what I heard after becoming nice. She not only has Freddy's tone she also gets his speech quirks, it's very strange
I don't think Roxy was a proper security node. I think the mimic wanted you to 'kill' her. Maybe because she doesn't seem to be under its control, maybe because she was aggressive to it because it was using Gregory's voice, or maybe just to hurt Cassie because it knew she loved her. Also, I was nodding so hard during the Freddy part that I look like him now.
Took me a while to realize that Chica suddenly gains power and stabilizes herself when she falls from the conveyer belt because the Recharge Station... well... recharged her.
Freddy talks about Prototype Freddy in Security Breach too, so the possibility of there being another Freddy still exists. "I hear what some guests say about me, bad things happened in the past, but that was not me, those were older models, flawed, I would never hurt anyone, you know that, right?"
I disagree about Monty’s ruined design. I think it’s the best. It's the creepiest. Honestly, I love that he turned into a literal alligator. He completely lost his sanity and has gone wild, I like it a lot. I just wish he was a little more stealthy and made real alligator sounds. However… I also wished he got more depth, and a chance for redemption. Freddy said himself that his friends were controlled and not acting as usual. But yeah no answers are really given about Monty. Why he has anger issues (well at least in his ruined form it’s obvious why he’s enraged, he suffered so much), if he's misunderstood or genuinely evil without the need of a virus, if he really killed Bonnie… Even though all the evidences point at him honestly, the ending he received just broke my heart because he's my favorite, and since it's not clearly stated that he's the killer, I'm sorry but I can't accept that it's deserved karma. It's just not fair. Roxy gets all the attention for no real reason, and he (even Chica) is left to die. For me, I prefer the idea that he was controlled by Vanny to destroy Bonnie. Or that a virus just messed up his program and he did bad things as a result. So he had to, SHOULD deserve a second chance. And even, whether he's a real villain or not, he has so much potential and deserves a lot more. He didn't even get any new lines. It's just a shame. And, maybe I'm being too optimistic but I think there's a chance that he can come back. Actually they better bring him back in a future game or DLC, because if it ends like this, I swear I'm gonna scream. Do you remember when we imagined the "choose your guardian" dlc? What a joke, it would have been so much better to save them rather than "Gregory" or rather this Mimic that I hate. Hopefully they make two more dlcs or something with Chica and Monty with their own kids to protect. But it's too good to become true I guess.
Maybe we'll get SB stuff in Help Wanted 2. Help Wanted 1 had 1, 2, 3, and some of 4. If this one has Sister Location and Pizzeria Simulator, then it might have some minigames/levels based on the SB animatronics too! Might be a good way to get more time with the characters. The Ennard level in Help Wanted was extremely neat.
I'm not completely convinced that Monty is "dead." And if he is dead then I think Chica and Roxy died too. Idk to me it just seems weird to single him out like that. I feel like they would either kill them all or kill none of them. Though until we get a follow up to the story we don't know.
@@wes186Chica and Monty were really left unknown and abandoned, we know that Roxy and Cassie are both together alive but Chica and Monty were just kinda there left to rot.
Correction: The red eyes from the teaser poster did appear in game. The mimic’s eyes glowed red when he was saying “I- I’m gregory” before revealing itself to Cassie.
I feel like the only reason they skinned him was, he was already missing his entire lower legs so he couldn’t be destroyed any more with out being significantly slower or just completely immobile
About Roxy being a security node. I also found that somewhat odd, but then I had a thought. It is possible that the other three main Glamrocks were also nodes, but by this point are all inactive. Chica ran out of power, Monty got fried, and Freddy’s head is gone. Theoretically, if they were nodes, their nodes would be offline by the time Cassie is told that Roxy contains a node. I know that if this were the case, “Gregory” probably would’ve mentioned it beforehand, but hey, it’s a possibility. Alternatively, if Roxy did indeed attempt to replace her face and/or head like people assumed and it’s not just a random total overhaul of her endo, then maybe she accidentally installed something that contained a node. I know both of these theories are a bit of a stretches, but I figured I’d at least throw ‘em out there.
To me, it feels like Roxy being a Security Node was just because the mimic wanted her gone. It's a common thing that sociopaths do where they ask people to do things that they know they wouldn't do if others asked them, because if they do do that thing, they know they'll do basically anything else And Roxy is shown everywhere, the soda machines are a very obvious sign
Personally, I think Monty's state of "Feral Hog with Rabies" is pretty fitting. He quite literally murdered Bonnie for his spotlight - Even wanting to replace Freddy, it was the main focus of his life. Once the Pizzaplex was condemned, never to be reopened. I like to imagine he essentially shut down mentally - giving in to the animalistic tendencies he had. You can even see he doesn't maintain the same level of care as the other ruined animatronics, he doesn't have any remaining shell whatsoever.
i love how day by day people’s description of monty gets worse and worse people used to call him a “little mean” to people calling him a “feral hog with rabies” it’s just so dam funny😭
@@Troublethecateither way, he’s a showboater and loves the spotlight. Heck, he even does the whole sunglass tip “Rock n’ Roll” thing before his boss fight seemingly for the sake of theatrics.
@@yosh9192Bonnie was known for doing that "rock n roll" thing as well with his classes meaning it was probably just a bass player thing or glamrock Bonnie really is Montys ideal, we will never know tho because they refused to give animatronic Monty any personality that wasn't a feral beast 😭
I think that Bonnie was probably either destroyed somehow by the Mimic, or by Vanny controlling staff bots. Possibly because Bonnie might be similar to Freddy and resistant to being controlled, or for some other reason that Vanny would want to get Monty on stage.
I honestly thought the webbing on chica was moldy cheese from the kitchen. Basically she ate so much it got stuck on the outer casing and started rotting
@@notrealnamenotatall2476 I honestly liked your idea of something crawling from the depths of the pizza Plex and it sticking to the robot. That kitchen was already sketchy I wouldn't be surprised if there was mold in that kitchen way before the place got destroyed.
18:54 That picture actually changes to her alone crying after the cutscene that plays nearby, possibly hinting at the belief Cassie has of Gregory bring her friend was a lie or something.
I find it interesting that Eclipse is the safe mode of The Daycare Attendant. Also makes me wonder why safe mode, or at least the personality of that mode, isn't the default for all animatronics instead of being something that turns on after being reboot.
The thing Matpat successfully guessed was that Burntrap took control of the Blob in that ending. That's what they changed last minute. That's why the other endings all feel so... rushed. Because the Burntrap ending was the original, but then Matpat guessed it successfully, and heaven forbid someone put plot details together correctly without being told, right?
But the Mimic fits in the dlc EXTREMELY well, we knew way before the dlc that we will have to "find Gregory" in the dlc but we obviously know he escapes with Venessa and Freddy's head, and the only animatronic with the ability to Mimic human speech and behavior is the Mimic himself. Burnttrap probably wasn't even gonna be in the original game, the Mimic has 5 fingers on ome hand that looks exactly like the hand from the very first security breach trailer we got. Their original plan was to probably add the Mimic but changed it to Burnttrap later on which would explain why the Burnttrap ending is actually in Gregory's imagination and why Burnttrap didn't get much screentime.
One thing i honestly hated about ruin was how they felt the need to bring in the mimic to replace Afton even though VANNY was RIGHT there and how there was ZERO mention of mimic in the base game. There’s one thing to make an unfinished story but to make an unfinished story full of retcons makes it feel like they had NO idea what they’re doing with these characters. Because if mimic is the villain now what was the point of burntrap, vanny or blob if they don’t matter anymore?
10:16 the Rabbit Music Man does actually appear walking around the complex in the pack. Its just hard to tell since there's so many but he is there. He's typically the first one to walk from the pack as well
Very, very comprehensive video that explains basically everything with Ruin while still leaving the more lore heavy stuff for a later date, which btw I can’t wait for that video involving Bonnie. Overall, Ruin was pretty good, I’d say. Not the best, a lot of stuff felt a bit shoehorned in and rushed like the daycare section and Roxy and Cassie’s relationship, but this was a great and noticeable step up from the base game, even if the story has been screwed further than it already was. Gameplay wise, ignoring the Sci-Fi parts, I liked how they made the animatronics teleporting after you a part of MSEX’s gig as opposed to them just appearing due to the security bots spotting you. The atmosphere was way better and creepier that SB proper and tbh the headless Freddy chase sequence was the best part of the whole DLC for me. All that said, Ruin is a solid 6 or 7 out of 10 for me. Again, I loved how thorough this video was and I’m really exited to see what else you have to say about Ruin. Great work, and have a very lovely day ^^!
I think Roxy is not a security node in the slightest - it's probably Steel Wool cashing in on easy emotional moments that can still be justified by, tada, 'agony'. Cassie's feelings after deactivating Roxy create agony which is a big mcguffin resource in the books. In other words, the Mimic told her to do it just to fuck with her and get juiced up
Then again, keep in mind that Roxy was after Gregory (Mimic) and the Mimic considered her to be a threat. So the Mimic told Cassie to get rid of Roxy to nip that problem in the bud.
@@muffetmissulena6540 The Mimic seems to consider itself to be Gregory. The way it keeps repeating "I'm Gregory" when Cassie finds it, and how it stitches together that costume into a crude approximation of him. Given that Roxanne reacted so violently to the thought that Gregory was in the Pizzaplex again, and she was right near the pathway down to the Mimic's basement, it likely considered her its biggest threat. I do agree that she isn't actually a node and it's just Cassie being manipulated into deactivating her.
IMHO, I really liked the idea that Roxy genuinely loved the children & performing for them... because they're her super fans. Not only is it genuinely sweet, but it also DEEPLY adds to the tragedy of what was done & happened to her.
When I saw the ‘Eclipse’ code switch after you reboot him I assumed it was just how the animatronic was actually supposed to work before the whole mall was tampered with instead of being a third personality.
It's hard to tell. The books apparently "confirmed" that Moon has always been evil, evil, monster that FE couldn't fix... but of course, that is the books, and they say a lot of weird stuff.
@@notrealnamenotatall2476 It was something that I picked up from the pause menu missions. Unfortunately I can't find a transcript on the internet yet to double check it as I do not actually own the game.
I interpreted Ellipse as Sun and Moon finally merging. Like, what if Sun and Moon were simply acting personas? Like, when Eclipse was still the Theatre robot, his two main roles were the Sun and Moon. But then, when the Glitchtrap Virus took control of him, it acted as a sort of Jekyll and Hyde potion and made the split between Sun and Moon much more literal. Suns line of “make us whole again” is what really makes me think this. Then, when the DA is fully rebooted, Ellipse is whole once again. Sun and Moon are finally made whole again. I think Suns final “thank you” was a final breath so to speak before fully merging. I also think Suns line of “Not me, the other me!!” Was him talking about his physical form. I believe you can only talk to Sun with the mask on because he’s trapped in an eternal nap, aka, stuck in the digital world. So when he said reboot the “other me”, he’s not talking about Moon, but rather his physical self. It’s kinda sad that would mean Sun and Moon are gone forever, but I like the possible implications of Eclipse being a recovered Dr Jekyll with no memories learning that his two personas were given life and caused havoc around the Pizzaplex. I really like leaning into the Jekyll and Hyde aspect of Eclipse, Sun and Moon.
But Cassie mentions that "I never slept better than I did in the Daycare" when commenting on a AR Moon plush. And "I used to have so much fun in the Daycare" when commenting on a AR Sun plush.
@@prufanthose moments had to be before the virus took over Eclipse. It doesn’t disprove the Eclipse wasn’t the one taking care of the kids during those times. Sun and Moon were still Eclipses personas, even when he was a Daycare Attendant. He just had a different persona depending on wether it was naptime or playtime.
I think glamrock chica is covered in the Monty's Mystery Mix ( lots of people seem to have forgotten about that!) But it's what we used to lure her into the trash compactor in the first place, and it also said she was absolutely crazy about it, so when the place went to shits it makes sense that she would go around gobbling up all the mystery mix she could find. Also, regarding Chica's voice box, I think it may be something for a super secret ending. Because there's a monty golfing arcade game as well, although i dont know what happens if you get a good score in that. So who's to say there isn't also a roxy racers game? Maybe if you get good scores in them all, you'll get Monty's Claws or Roxy's Eyes, and you can get a completely different ending. It wouldn't be too far a throw to assume that since you can fix the daycare attendant, you can fix them too .
Apparently there's no internal flag for repairing chica, so the game just doesn't track it in the save file. I do hope there is another ending, cus ATM it feels like we are missing that bit more of context needed
There’s nothing in the code for more than 3 endings, however you can find Monty’s legs somewhere (i don’t remember where lol), which could perhaps suggest that at some point they may have planned for a fourth ending where Cassie repairs all of the ruined animatronics and saves them
I think they fumbled the execution HARD in security breach but the new villain (spoilers) being an AI that has been constantly fed bad information that can mimic whatever it comes across is actually pretty cool And im SO GLAD its not actually Afton the mimic being down there presumably being used to help code the SB animatronics also explains how they have complex personalities. They have AI in their brains to develop personalities and remember information like how Roxie remembers Cassie has no friends and also likes carrot cake. It could also explain how extreme their personalities are in the events of SB Chica's AI was told to be a foodie, the AI took that to the extreme and now Chica eats garbage. Roxy's AI was told to be competitive and look nice, Roxi now has narcissistic personality disorder. Monty was told to be a gator i guess? and now he wants to bite everything that moves. Freddy was told to be kind and friendly, and now he helps orphans evade security and destroy the establishment that he is a mascot of
I feel the same way, my biggest gripe with security breach was bringing back Afton when it was so unnecessary and kind of made the story of pizza sim completely invalid. I hope they continue to go in this new direction with the mimic or other antagonists similar to vanny. The AI concept is very fascinating given the state of AI in the real world right now too, it adds a bit more of the horror aspect to the game imo
I'm really hoping that Monty is either a red herring or that there's a lot more to what happened then we realize and he might actually appear as an ally later on. Able to redeem himself for an action he may have had no control over. Better yet, Bonnie says something like "Thanks for stopping me" or even "Thanks for trying to save me" To just end the whole Monty and Bonnie thing here. With a "here's the body, yep it's Monty, look karma....go home" is just so disappointing. I know it's unlikely. I like to think that there's a chance Monty was rebooted when he was electrocuted. Going into the same safe-mode that Freddy went into, and is actually normal again. (Also these glamrocks are built different) Also I love the ankle biter. In regards to Chica. Yeah, let's hope she becomes an ally too, and that repairing her voice-box is canon. As I do think she deserves some limelight like Monty and Roxy. I know it may seem counterintuitive to have a horror game with not one, but three (possibly four if Bonnie is included) allies helping. Considering the state their in. Even in Cassie/Gregory/Vanessa repairs them a bit. They are not in any position to protect anyone. Even Roxy herself only slowed the Mimic down. Speaking of the mimic. He would work perfectly in this situation. Just imagine you hear Monty from a vent "I managed to get the door open, go left that door should be unlocked now. You just need to power it up to open it" then as you walk over you here Monty but from a different vent say "Don't go any further, that thing is there waiting. Quick in here I know a way around it" An entire game where you have multiple allies, and yet still on edge would be so neat.
The rabbit skeleton guy found in the files is actually just The Entity's old design. I love both designs but I find this earlier design to be much more disturbing than the one we got
I definitely liked Ruin way better than base Security Breach. Way less bugs. No 80 million staff bots who can somehow see you from 20 yards away(seriously, it's like they confused more staff bots with harder difficulty when they were mostly just annoying). The atmosphere was really good. Lots of tension. The only part that was kinda meh to me was the Monty Golf section. I like the idea of Gregory sometimes speaking(mostly through Easter Eggs) and at other times it's the Mimic. Now the community is debating on if the one who dropped the elevator was just the Mimic again or if it was actually Gregory. I personally, think it's Gregory. But I can understand why people might think differently.
With how brutally gregory took parts of the animatronics originally, n how 1 of the endings has him flat out killing vanessa n watching it happen, while another has him not care that a woman just fell to her death. Yeah, sure those endings were likely drawn by gregory, but that means before saving vanessa, he wanted to kill her. Or maybe even after saving her he still had that fantasy enough to draw it in a comic to leave behind. Either way, he was already dreaming of killing n had killed multiple animatronics with personalities he could clearly see. N if he went there frequently before the incident, he would know all of them very well. If he knew cassie n was at one of her birthday parties (roxy says she was number 1 twice. I take that as meaning she had 2 parties there) n knew roxy was here favorite he would've SEEN THIS SIDE OF ROXY BEFORE RUNNING HER OVER WITH A RACECART. Him being willing to murder Cassie 100% tracks for me. Just makes it clear he is just that bad of a kid.
I feel like Gregory trying to kill Cassie after helping her escape doesn’t make any sense, but basically any other explanation doesn’t make sense with his ending dialogue
@@whyiwakeup6460 I've seen some theories suggest that the Mimic cuts Gregory off midway through (Hence the different dialogue boxes) and is the one who cuts the elevator and kills Cassie. It could also line up with the Mimic not wanting Cassie to leave and potentially warn others of it's existence, which could work with the "we can't risk being followed" line
I really enjoyed the entirety of ruin. I feel like it was a much more cohesive game experience, it had clear and concise narrative beats, story arcs, and it had a very “Scott” level of answers with new questions. It makes me even more wishful that we could have gotten the vision SW had for the base game. Killer content as usual
31:22 its important to note that this ending is called 'brazil' in the files, as a reference to a story where someone tries to comfort themselves in a bad situation by convincing themself that theyre not in it. Its likely this ending is literallt all in cassies head, and is her trying to do what is stated above, so i wouldnt worry about the lore implications of helpy being there.
Glamrock Freddy being a prototype could also theoretically explain why Vanny's hack of the entire network didn't work - like maybe he runs on an older version of the Glamrock AI code that was incompatible with what she was using to manipulate them (that doesn't perfectly work with the lines in the sinkhole saying he was controlled before, but hey, maybe she tried a "one size fits all" solution instead of the individual hack she used before and that's why it failed). Otherwise there's just no real reason why Glamrock Freddy crashed and rebooted into safe mode when Vanny tried to take control of him in SB
I personally think that the mimic was lying about Roxy being a security node, because it knows that Roxy and Cassie have a bond after hearing it through the radio when Roxy grabs Cassie’s arm, so the mimic thinks (and was correct) that Roxy would try to defend Cassie
I haven't fully watched the video, but I definitely agree with the whole daycare thing, at one hand, I was glad we gotten to see the both of them, on the other, it felt off and I was a bit saddened when it was over, I would have imagined there would've been more stuff for the two (or three ig in this case). Still I am happy to see the daycare attendant regardless. Though, I do wanna point out something about that whole segment, specifically ecplise, I saw someone on Twitter say something about the fact that Ecplise is a mixed of both Sun and Moon's personalities not just Sun, but calm. There's some collectibles if you look around and it has some tidbits which makes me even more confused, I think it's Cassie commenting about how she used to go to the daycare and stuff. also kinda wished we got an estimated time of when Ruined occurred, because they never specifically state if its been three months or longer or at least somewhat awhile.
The Hill ending is called the Brazil Ending and is a reference to a movie where a man goes mad and escaped into a fantasy. It's pretty much implied that the Sunny Hill/Brazil wnding is Cassie losing herself to The Minic/Glitchtrap.
I’m just glad steel wool or maybe Scott was like “yeah this ending is the canon ending” which I love because I’m glad they chose to keep Vanessa alive since I feel if they wanna keep this story going it’s a way to keep her character instead of a one and done in the story
I liked wha the dlc gave us plenty of missed opportunities for scares or tense sequences like Monty in the water but it was pretty good still. Eclipse was easily the best withered design and I didn’t think chica was gonna look worse cause she was pretty messed up but all that garbage made her design look cooler. Seeing the mimic for the first time was great as well plus a clever twist with steelwool with the security program who people thought was glitchtrap. I do hope one day we get to see withered dj music man one day
The voice line that plays in the hillside ending ("I'm okay, I found a place to hide") is the exact line from earlier in the game when Roxy goes after 'Gregory'.
I like that through Roxy we get to see(at least somewhat) how the Glamrocks are intended to function when interacting with guests, especially those who are already in the system prior and maybe even more so if they opted into an optional birthday party thing. Edit: Considering that you apparently hear Roxy say Cassie at the end of the elevator ending it would be interesting if this Mimic pulls a book Mimic and mimics Roxy and her more compassionate approach, could be a neat theme to explore, not that I'm against just having Roxy find Cassie and them having an adventure together or something.
It feels like the mimic was so underused so that steel wool could swap it out at the last minute if it was poorly received in the books. Seems like they may have been burned by peepaw willy's reception and wanted to test run their new villain this time.
I think the new implication of the sunny hill ending is that it’s not a physical place - it only exists in AR, hence why you get to it by finding a random cutout and putting the mask on. The AR mode already plays with space in some confusing and reality-bending ways, so having the main characters hide in a section of it that looks like a real place feels like the logical next step. This is also why Helpi is both on the hill and in the system: It’s all the same.
It's also worth mentioning that the name of the ending in the files is a reference to a film where someone in a bad situation basically deludes themself into thinking everything's ok. It's likely all in her head.
@@chrisgarrett6305 AhI see, I had considered that before, but I thought it was weird Vanessa would be there if it were just Cassie’s imagination. There isn’t any evidence as far as I know that Cassie has met or seen her. But that’s a really specific and deliberate reference, so I think I’ve changed my mind
If you pay attention by having the subtitles on. Right after Cassie dons the mask, it is Gregory that says he's found a place to hide. It's the exact phrase that the mimic used before, after that it's just Cassie breathing heavily, like she's hyper-ventilating. This is the real bad ending. Once you go through the credits on the normal ending Roxy asks: "Cassie?", implying she did not die after plummeting to the bottom. The Scooper ending doesn't have Roxy say "Cassie" but that's because Cassie is safe.
I believe it’s implied Cassie’s father made M.X.E.S., as on the Bonnie lunchbox it says that Bonnie was his favorite, and given he’s creating an A.I. maybe he had a little fun with it and modeled it after Bonnie, maybe after Bonnie got replaced by Monty, to subtly protest against the company. To add on that I have a little speculation that Cassie’s old man may have set up a lot of the security system, maybe alongside Vanessa. That may also be the reason why Roxy is a node, as she was his daughter’s favorite character, plus for practical reasons, who would ever think to look in the animatronics for security nodes? Especially someone like Roxy? I may speculate further that possibly Cassie’s dad programmed Roxy’s personality, maybe sneaking in some mechanics for protecting Cassie specifically, making sure she always was supportive of Cassie, and unable to harm her. Anyways glad you’re back, I was excited to see your takes on Ruin!
Honestly, I think why so many people didnt want the Ruin Freddy to be our SB Freddy, is because so many people got attached to this animatronic father figure and didnt want that betrayal. I know i immediantly latched onto 'this is not the bear father' and only realized 'no wait, it is' after thinking for a bit about it.
I agree with the Protype stamp beign a retcon and not a new foot. The fact it is so prominently on display makes me believe they want us to see it and that bit is a partial explanation to Freddy's uniqueness in the first game. It took so much longer for him to be corrupted, and I think this is a key reason. It makes sense that Freddy was the first one made and that they would just use him if the protype was sucessfull enough from the start, to save costs. Vanny wouldnt knoe it was an old animatornic unless she specifically sae that stamp under that foot. It makes sense that the other bots may be running on a slightly different or streamlines softwear as well. It is possible this made them more suseptable. It is also possibel that Vanny altered the programming for the new bots hetrself that made them more suseptible to the glutchtrap control, not realizing Freddy was already made and thus opperating on the pre-altered software. Reagurdless which of this was the ultimate cause, i think Freddy being a prototype is ehat made him more resiliant and able to help Gregory.
6:47 more like animatronics weren't programmed to respond to the whole place falling in disrepair, that is also why roxy asks cassie about her booking a party, she doesn't realise that the place is closed down and still expects guests to arrive
Honestly Eclipse reminds me of the gem fusions in steven universe in a way. The best (and worst) of both parts make them up, and effect the personality the most, but things can get really messy if one or both (or more) of the people involved have some enotional imbalance while fused.
Monty's current state of damage in this DLC is nearly identical, and likely a reference to The Terminator's state in the ending fight of the original Terminator movie, with his sinking into the water being a reference to Terminator 2.
As an avid Glamrock Chica enjoyer, when I found out about Chica's feeding Frenzy and repairing her, my hopes were so high for it. As, I'm usually the first to chime up like "Chica practices her guitar, she has a caring personality, she has a bowling ball in her room like Freddys to remember Bonnie, while Roxy and Monty don't. She has a little fitness mazercise center in the Mall and maybe leads fitness classes, (but that's speculation on my part) " Like I am usually first to point out the small characterizations she does have... So to go out of my way, to play the Chica game, which can be pretty hard depending on your bullet hell/undertale skills....to fix one of my favorite Glamrocks, only for her to go: "I SMELL PIZZA!" Looool Like I felt sad. Me: Chica is more than just Pizza! G.Chica herself: Pizza! Me: Do you know how much I care and love you? Chica: PIZZA! .....That and.... The big revelations with Monty.... Yeaaaahhh I think Glamrock Chica and Monty deserved a little bit better. (but then again so did Vanny)
Did we just become besties? I think so! Chica is my favorite animatronic and she has the most personeliyle and Didnt even change even when the games went by, still our old chicken :)
While I got some bad vibes from what I've seen of the game so far, I do like that Roxy was basically redeemed and I thought the game looked nice. The AR mechanic was interesting and visually my favorite parts of the game. Cassie is a wild change for the series. A female human with both agency and the ability to move the plot is a first. She has motivation and an understandable emotional investment. Her loneliness making her reckless enough to do any of this is actually established in the story. Wow. It also makes sense that the Mimic would choose her as a victim due to this. Now, if Steel Wool can resist the urge to retcon her as a robot or a ghost or a ghost in the robot, or Gregory's dream or always under the control of Peepaw Afton, we will finally have a solid female protagonist here. Don't fuck it up, Steel Wool. We don't need another haunted robot girl or any more dead women to motivate male characters to commit atrocities with silly science. Just let her be a brave, lonely girl doing her best. Also, I weirdly like that elephant clown suit. It's cute. Which is saying something because I don't like clowns. But elephants are awesome. Anyways, great video! Looking forward to that Bonnie video!
I like how Candy Cadet is just there cause why not. Also is it me, or is it kind of dark how the Caution/Wet Floor Bots did nothing wrong, and yet you can brutally murder them to see Bonnie.
You mentioned The Mimic at first can talk in full sentences as Gregory, then has to mix sentences he’s already said to talk. Right before you see The Mimic they are basically repeating the same lines over and over, getting slower and lower pitched. “You saved me!” “You saved me.” “I’m Gregory…” “I’m…Gregory…” Also right after the reveal Gregory gets a hold of you and says he’s been trying to get a hold of you this whole time. Maybe the reason The Mimic is slowly losing the facade could be because Gregory and Vanessa are trying to get a hold of you, but can’t because the mimic is messing with signal, but overtime they break it’s connection and finally get a hold of Cassie. This could be a massive stretch, but that’s my theory right now. This could very easily change tomorrow.
I think Roxy being a security node was also kind of a lie. Roxy was the most sentient and aware still of all the animatronics left, so the mimic needed to have Roxy put down in case that what happened happened so she wouldn't do what she end up doing it, which is team up with Cassy or something. But i guess she was just rebooted instead of deactivated. idk. that's what i guess happened.
13:11 a little counter argument: That writing on his foot was clearly intentional as the devs could just not have put it there but they did, not to mention the prize in his chest wasnt in security breach either also gregory says that hes with someone in the ending that has a map now idk about u but a head isnt gonna have a map. Finally the daycare endo room where freddy says that he was born raises the question to wether the freddy from SB was the only freddy
i think there was some cut content with the animatronics, asumingly each of the animatronics would have been a security node and we would have had a choice of shutting them down or fixing them (as you can fix chicas voice box but if you do it does nothing at all)
The Helpi ending is called the Brazil ending in the files, which is a film that ends with the MC being tortured and imagining a good ending in his head. So it's most likely not even real, and that's why Helpi is there.
I love Roxy since her interactions and backstory with Cassie make a lot of sense when you look at Security Breach. In the base game, people thought Roxy was arrogant and not nice to others. But even in this game, she was actually really insecure. So she was just arrogant, to prevent herself from being too depressed and to not reveal her true self. What does this have to do with Cassie? Well Roxy clearly has a soft spot for her. Her personality is entirely different from the mainly arrogant one we see in SB. This is because she may actually see the similarities between Cassie and herself. Cassie was probably really sad and insecure when no one showed up to her party. Roxy probably sympathised with her because of this because she herself is often insecure. The arrogant side of hers is a fake personality. She does this to hide her true self, the insecure Roxy. But after Cassie showed her own insecure side, Roxy most likely didn't feel ashamed to show her soft, emotional and true self to Cassie.
just a random thought on the prototype thing, given the general decay of everything, its feasible that he always was a prototype and they painted it over after whatever testing passed, but the paint over the lettering would have worn or flaked off if it wasnt applied very well. keep in mind thats the adjusted lore explanation, game wise its an obvious retcon
Man Sun got somehow even less time in RUIN, the disrespect to the poor guy, I love them both and I’m happy he got a resolution as (or being part of?) Eclipse
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I think the reason why Roxy was a security node is pretty simple. She wasn't. The Mimic just recognized that Roxy was a threat and wanted Cassie to deactivate them. It's not the first time 'Gregory' and Helpi have outright lied to Cassie for their own goals.
But why did the door to the sinkhole only open after deactivating her then? Or better question, why does she have the Faz-Wrench thingy in her eyesockets…
imo I think her being the only animatronic with a security node makes sense because the sinkhole is in the raceway itself which she patrols
@@playerlgamer0592 For the same reason why some objects appear and disappear whenever putting the V.A.N.N.I mask on - the little occipital chip inserted back when Cassie first put on the Mask.
I didn't come up with the theory, but in essence the little chip inserted at the beginning explains the weird shenanigans that happen in mask mode. First, putting on the mask can remove solid objects that Cassie perceives. It could be that she perceives them to the degree that she behaves as though they are real in that you can't simply walk past them, and instead see little floating distortion cubes hinting that putting on the mask will remove the obstruction. The problem is that in Augmented Reality where assets are "loaded in" to our reality, they aren't really there. Imagine seeing a Pokemon Go Snorlax in your doorway to a room on your phone. You perceive that the Snorlax is there in the doorway, but you can still walk through the doorway and clip through the Snorlax since it's not real.
As for the portals, the brain structure for the majority of humans is that the occipital lobe and the cerebellum are in close proximity. The cerebellum is responsible for balance and coordination of muscles, which links back to the point above in that Cassie fully behaves as though the obstructions are there. Having a third party control the cerebellum while preventing the eyes from perceiving anything would give the illusion of teleportation. The nausea that Cassie complains about is likely from having a third party control her body to get from point A to point B in a manner she isn't used to. There's also a hijacked Helpy line claiming that she got there with her own two feet, which technically wouldn't be lying, but the bigger point being that the mimic is tricking her into believing she still has full control of her body when she actually doesn't.
Tying this back into your questions, there are a few answers to the first one -
It could be that the mimic perceives Roxanne as a threat. How it came to that conclusion eludes me, but based on Roxanne's sudden compassion for Cassie in likely being the only individual at her Birthday party, it may see her as a threat to it's plans because Roxanne could get Cassie to relapse and turn away from the goals the mimic has in mind. Roxanne clearly has the desire to protect Cassie from the cutscene where we find out about the mimic, and going down a dangerous tunnel to find a friend without the help of adults isn't the safest idea. M. X. E. S. wouldn't be keen on letting a Child release a murderous robot posing as a Child.
Furthermore, Roxanne was likely the only tangible threat left to the Mimic. M. X. E. S. isn't tangible, and can only call animatronics, in and of itself it can't stop Cassie. Monty had been electrocuted in water, so he was likely out of commission for good. Chica wasn't doing the best Power-wise as she often has spells where she shuts down and fell into a broken charging tank before being able to walk around for an extended period of time before collapsing again in the bathroom, presumably no longer a threat. Freddy is an odd case since putting on the mask removes him from Cassie's vision, but the sounds of him getting up aren't processed in either the Cerebellum or the Occipital lobe. But since the two areas mentioned previously are in the back of the brain, it's possible that the chip can play tricks on Cassie's hearing in signaling sounds that aren't there. Either way, keeping the mask on removes Freddy from play, and the S. T. A. F. F. bots are all likely out of charge or decommissioned since the only one that has the potential to work for more than 30 seconds is the mask bot. The one that gives Cassie the flashlight chimes for a few seconds with the tell-tale dying battery lowing pitch and the struggle to stay upright. There still is the Music man that dwells in the vents, but he might not have the credentials to make it to Cassie to jumpscare her in time as a way to prevent her from reaching the Mimic.
That really only leaves Roxanne. We know that she eventually figures a way out from under the Forklift so she wasn't completely immobilized, and we know she has the desire to protect Cassie because she followed Cassie and fought against the Mimic. It could be some form of manipulation from the Mimic by giving her resolve to find what Cassie believes to be Gregory by adding a death of a character Cassie values greatly. For whatever the reason, it is likely based on the fact that to the Mimic, Roxanne was just a loose end that needed to be tied up.
For the second - My guess is that the mask isn't really there and that instead it's another construct by the chip in Cassie's brain. With the fact that the eyes of most entities are a point of vulnerability, it would make sense to create the illusion of a Faz-wrench port in the eye area that would either permanently or temporarily deactivate an animatronic. The back of Eclipse's head isn't electrically insulated from the Faz-Wrench either, and it's entirely possible that the Faz-Wrench could have fried Sun and Moon to make Eclipse. Similarly for Roxanne, because of the nature of her upgrade was her eyes, there was likely a high amount of wires from her eyes connecting to her processor since her eyes were meant to help her race better. Since we likely don't have direct access to it, shoving a lot of electricity through the wires leading to the processor could cause it to short, as Roxanne's processor did short before she was temporarily deactivated. This is just my speculation of course and I'm sure it has a lot of holes in it, but it's simply my theory on the matter.
@@playerlgamer0592to be fair, Sun/Moon have one on the back of their faceplate, so it’s likely most if not all of the animatronics have one too, like a reset button just that Roxy and Sun/Moon’s ones are more accessible.
Or, in contrary, I believe that all the animatronics WERE security nodes, but those nodes were shut down anyways.
Let me give a list of the animatronics and their nodes:
Freddy - Too far to be an active security node
Chica - Shut down, just to be repowered and shut down again, disabling the security node
Monty - Gets absolutely fried, destroying all of his systems, including the security node, disabling it
Roxy - Self explanatory; you disable the node, but that is all you disable, leaving her active
Sun/Moon/Eclipse - You reboot them, and in the process, disable the security node within them, but leave them active (Like Roxy)
Bonnie - His systems are proven to be unsalvageable, and even if not, it is unclear whether or not he was around when the nodes were added
Therefore, I believe that all animatronics (bar from Bonnie) have security nodes, but you just don't realise it.
One interesting thing about Chica is, that now when eating, she will turn her head by 180 degress to look behind her.
She probably does this because she is most likely traumatised by Gregory severely damaging her when she was eating
I don't blame her, Gregory was cruel towards Chica.
@@prufan also to Roxy and Sun too (Monty deserved it tho).
He severely damages Roxy and takes her eyes.
Sun literally suffers when he turns into Moon. But Gregory shut down the lights anyway despite Sun's warning.
Gregory clearly is brutal. I wouldn't be surprised if he was actually the one who tried to kill Cassie in the elevator ending, and not the Mimic (some people think that the last Gregory lines in the elevator as well as crashing it were the mimic and not Gregory)
@@obambagaming1467 tbh i like the idea of greg doing that because it makes a lot more interesting and has plenty of story potential. We’ve seen the child murderer but have we seen a CHILD murderer?! Idk just a thought
@@prufanand Chica was trying eat him, what do you expect him to do??
@@obambagaming1467 To be fair, it's not like Gregory knew taking the badge would shut off the lights.
Also you are acting like it doesn't hurt when Moon transforms back into Sun.
Actually the relationship with Roxy and Cassie makes perfect sense! Roxy only wanted to hunt down Gregory, same with the others. Roxy, still having awareness, doesn't wanna hurt just any child. This is how she acts with most kids. Gregory is an exception
Well he did take her looks and eyes from her, she has full right to be out for blood. "Give me back my eyes!!!" is more than self explanatory.
@@ItsRickysChannelSHORTSon top of that Gregory was an intruder and not on their guest list.
cassie, since she had her birthday planned out at the pizzaplex, definitely was on the guest list.
Roxy really is just
F*ck this child in particular
But the question here is why is she after Gregory without the context of him taking her eyes and causing her accident on the racetrack because she was out for blood before those events. For Monty it’s already stated that he has been overly aggressive, it seems that Chica is different but also still somewhat doing here job likely do to Vanny’s influence. But Roxy seem to have Like a vendetta against him my theory she has a little hate for him cause he is friends with Cassie keeping her form being Cassie’s Number #1. We know she has a thing for being the best so it kinda fits for me look deeper maybe you’ll find something else but to each there own.
@@ArmadaX1 Roxy, Chica, and Monty were ALL under Vanny's influence initially. After ruin, Chica and Monty are mindless but Roxy isn't. She still wants to get Gregory.
Quick mini theory: Roxy wasn't really a node, she just was too conscious and after she pointedly did not kill Cassie and even acted neutrally towards her, the Mimic wanted to get rid of her in case Roxy tried to get in the way of it killing a child (which she did)
there's a theory that the mask you give roxy in the last makeup level in HW2 was the actual security node
@@amxterxsu138 oh lit, that sounds like a good theory. obviously not an option when I made this comment but it definitely sounds plausible to me
The fact that the "Prototype" Ruined Freddy _still has Monty's Claws_ (albeit without the casings) is another detail that makes it seem more likely that this IS the decapitated body of our Freddy, with the "Prototype" stamp on the foot being added in as a clarification as to why Freddy was the way he was in the main game.
One way steel wool could sort out all this? Small update to the model of regular security breach, as a part of a larger bugfixing update.
My personal opinion is that when faz entertainment found ruined Freddy when they started demolishing the pizza plex they assumed he was a prototype and put the stamp on him and abandoned him when they left the pizza plex cause it was hard to demolish
Actually, he was only the way he was because He was booted up in Safe Mode. Meaning he wasn't hacked
The thing with that is that Monty still has his endo hands. they had the chance to completely remove them but they didnt even do that. they CHANGED them in fact to look different from the rest. I still think that ruined freddy is our freddys body but the claw upgrade is just dumb.
@@chastox Yeah. I never understood that. We took his Claws. Shouldn't he no longer have his hands. Unless they were only a cosmetic casing upgrade. There's no reason he should still have hands. He should've been like withered Chica.
Gotta admit it everyone, they really did do a good job of making the entire community say "Portals...Portals... Oh, Ok."
Give yourself up to the whole
We already have time traveling ball pits so…..
Yes
@@2lazydidntpickahandle and apparently so does McDonald’s lmbo
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To explain roxy being a security node. It could also be that the mimic considers itself gregory to an extent. So when Roxy jumps at sounds trying to tear gregory apart, it identifies her as a possible threat that needs to be eliminated.
Thus mimic orders Roxy's shutdown. However, Cassie's tool doesnt shutdown animatronics permanently, it seems to only reboot them. Possibly an oversight on the mimic's part.
Maybe the mimic can only see through the mask? It would explain why it didn’t see what happened with eclipse
This actually sort of makes sense as Roxy isn't a security node and doesn't act like one. There' no rabbit node hovering over her and no child nodes to turn off first.
That would make sense. In the comics he did think of himself as the son in the books (I forgot his name)
Adding to that, By the time Cassie shuts off Roxy, Chica is out of power, Monty is dead, and the daycare attendant is preoccupied with cleaning up. That leaves Roxy is the most functional and available of the glamrock crew, despite the loss of eyes. Combined with the fact that she was friendly to Cassie, meant that she had the most potential as a threat and definitely had to go.
@@Youarewhatyoueatsonic The Mimic also probably didn't mind the daycare attendant because he's mostly harmless as Eclipse, seeing as only his least friendly personality is actually hostile in any way.
Another really cool touch regarding Cassie's love of Roxy shows up early in Monty Golf almost immediately after she gets the mask. If you look at the Monty Fizzy Fazz machine on the ground, with the mask on, it changes to Roxy. It seems to imply that the mask subconsciously alters the perception of the wearer to make them more comfortable with wearing it.
That’s actually really cute, I love little details like that
It looks like an a mapping error tho
@@DrPeeperyea I thought that too, or are there other places where this happens that would point to it being intentional?
Another little secret that was only recently discovered -- in the lower level of the gift shop at the very start of the game, if you go up to the Roxy plush on the counter, Cassie will say "cool" not very important but it's a nice subtle nod to their relationship.
@@DrPeeper it seems too specific to be an error, especially since we find out that Roxy is Cassie's favorite practically at the beginning of the game when she gets the walkie-talkie
I kind of like what they did with Monty. His problem in the original was that he was filled with aggressive rage, and now he has devolved into an almost literal mad dog. I also find it kind of funny that losing half of his body has actually made him more mobile.
And while I kind of wish they had done a bit more with Chica, the fact that she is still just the grossest animatronic pleases me.
My one theory about the mimic is that the reason it uses that weird, stitched together suit is because, down in the old pizzeria, it could hear Candy Cadet endlessly telling its stories, which all feature the theme of several things being forcefully made into one thing. From there, its programming compelled it to mimic what it learns, and stitch together multiple suits into one.
That legitimately makes sense.
this is a fantastic theory!
Holy fuck
I love this idea
that makes more sense than glitchtrap's existence
Perhaps the Mimic's voice starts to change towards the end because he is getting impatient or too anxious to escape, or maybe he thought he already had Cassie in his hands and that she came so far that it didn't matter to do a perfect imitation anymore, Cassie wouldn't go back.
possibly, or maybe the mimic was starting to forget what greg sounded like. i mean it had to have been at least a year or two since the main game so maybe it was trapped so long that it was running out of space in the old data bank and was slowly starting to forget over the course of the game
A lot of people forget that in the trailer for ruin the 'prototype' written on Freddy's foot wasn't there either, it was something they most likely added in last minute to tie up loose ends. Freddy being a prototype would completely explain why he malfunctions and is able to resist the mimic virus, because his program is still under development and faulty/bugged.
I forgot that, but very good point!
It being added as an afterthought only increases the feeling that it was added specifically to make Prototype Glamrock Freddy distinct from the original.
@@blazethegryphon9990 I don't see that being likely though tbh. As also explained in the video, Ruined Freddy and SB Freddy somehow have the same damage from the endings and another Freddy randomly appearing just for Ruin wouldn't make any sense either, cause where did the prototype Freddy come from? and where is the 'real' Freddy?
Taking into consideration that Security Breach was rushed and a lot of plot holes were left, Ruin was made to fill in some of those holes. Steelwool adding Prototype on Freddy, and like I said, was most likely to tie a loose end expanding Freddy's behavior in SB.
@@Weiner_WaterThe missing head and injuries do match, but why add the writing if not to distinguish the two? Either it is a red herring to try set up something later, or the injuries are misleading and Prototype Freddy got released during whatever caused the Ruin the way it did. Unless it is made clearer in Help Wanted 2, we have nothing to prove it is the same Freddy beyone a very distinctly new feature, in a position that is ment to be seen.
@@icemanemalik Nah, forgetting to wipe off the Prototype label is absolutely in character for them.
Something to note: sun would only ever talk to you when you had the mask on, whcih could mean that it ISN'T actually them switching between the two, and sun can only communicate with you via the digital world since he is, like he keeps saying, "trapped in a nap"
i heard a theory, that i personally really like: whenever cassie has the mask on, animatronics will ignore her, as they see her as an employee and not a child. when the mask is off, moon sees cassie for who she really is, but when the mask is on, the sun sees cassie as an employee who can help him in his plight.
@@FScotsman4472 i don't remember who or where, but someone mentioned that the tone Sun uses to talk to cassie sounded super fed up, like most employees (since that's what hes viewing cassie as) don't listen to him when he is telling them to do/how to do something.
roxy's connection to and bond with an actual child makes it believable for the very first time that she could exist in a space such as the pizzaplex. other than this dlc, she just comes across as narcissistic with very few qualities that I could imagine a child ever looking up to. but roxy actually remembering the exact details of cassie's birthday party really deepens her previously very one dimensional character and makes it genuinely believable that she would exist around children and genuinely enjoy her time with them.
roxy? a very one-dimensional character? she's literally the most complex character in this whole game, even before the dlc. she has more sentience and personality than even gregory. especially if you recognize that roxy is a very insecure animatronic. when you shatter her, she literally spends most of it crying.
@@lightningdash231 I don't disagree that she was more dimensional than most of the cast before the dlc at all, but that's a very low bar. It just really opens up more of her personality when you see her doing what she was literally made to do: interact with a kid and be empathetic towards cassie.
Too bad they didn't do the same for Monty and Chica, they just decided to double down on their lack of personality, imagine if they had given Monty an actual personality other than angry
@barozukos7791 it's really crazy how full of personality roxy, freddy and sun/moon/eclipse are compared to literally everyone else. kinda makes me wish they kept the valley girl voice they were gonna give chica. i for one though am completely fine with monty in this dlc. his mental state has deteriorated to the point that he's basically a rabid animal and has practically become a real life alligator. makes him a lot more memorable than he was in the base game.
@@lightningdash231 agreed, Monty was definitely the scariest of the main 3, but still
It feels like the ruined animatronics are a reflection of fnaf communities general feeling on the animatronics. Chica is very basic, but the community doesn't dislike her and has some sympathy for her. So the game allows us to take pity on her and slightly ease her pain. No more, no less. Monty is widely considered the most evil of the Glamrocks, so he naturally devolved into a feral animal that we kill with no real regret. And lastly Sun/Moon and Roxy are by far the most loved of the antagonist animatronics and the ones who garner the most sympathy and support. So naturally they are the one we are able to fully help.
Now Roxy became one of the community favorites as well (well she already was, but now people liked her even more).
Also she is still alive in the elevator ending (she calls out for Cassie).
I think the elevator ending might be the canon one.
Hopefully she will return and help Cassie.
I agree with Monty. He killed Bonnie just to take his place. Even then, he still hates Freddy.
So his now animalistic behaviour and eventual fate serves him well.
I am also glad that we were able to help Sun/Eclipse. He even thanks us.
But I still feel sorry for him, because he expects that the next day, the daycare will be filled with kids and he has to prepare. Sadly, he will be disappointed. He isnt aware what happened.
Monty best character
@@jeffthearch-vile1777agreed
@@obambagaming1467 I think that Monty lost his temper and wrecked Bonnie in a “second degree murder” situation, given his poor impulse control. He and Bonnie probably had some sort of argument, and then Bonnie walked away, only for Monty to pursue him back to Bonnie Bowl and attack him.
Given how nervous Roxy is all the time about people liking her or not, I thought it was sweet the fandom reacted super nice to her.
Admittedly, I actually didn't doubt animatronics being waterproof before Ruin released. While it's probably less intentional, you can walk Freddy in the daycare fountain with no issue.
I haven't read the Twisted Ones beyond your rewrite, but I think there may've been a part where they try fighting them off with water, it fails and Afton says "did you really think my robots would be as poorly designed as your father's?" Not to mention the lack of facing them with water from what I've seen.
Only exception I can think of is the Security Puppet in the rain.
I read all 3 of the books and yes they confirmed that the fnaf 1 and sister location animatronics were water resistant
Security Puppet wasn't taken out by the rain, it was how far it had gone from it's pizzeria.
@@lunalesombras1150 No, that's just not true, it clearly gets taken out by the amount off rain pouring into it's circuits...
I thought the sec. puppet was made to protect Henry’s kid.
IE the “poorly designed” Anamatonic is that referenced to.
Being killed by rain failing to save the kid, tho they were stabbed. Dunno what they could’ve done lol.
@@beasley1232Damn shame he didn't make the Springlock suit water resistant then lmao
Hot take: I wish they did something different with Monty instead of making him the bad animatronic. Make him like a punk rock rebeal character since it seems too easy to make him a bad guy. Showing how just because somebody look like something doesn't mean they are.
On the subject of Monty, I really hope the story told with the cutouts in the Gator Golf ride is canon to what happened and not just Fazbear propaganda to explain Glamrock Bonnie's disappearance. My reason isn't just because Monty is my favorite Glamrock animatronic and I personally don't want him to have killed Glam Bonnie, but because I think that backstory could be used as a compelling way to explain Monty's ego.
The basic story told by the cutouts is that Monty started out as a small-time musician, playing at tiny, seemingly self-made venues with a bass that looks to be cobbled together by himself. He is shown to greatly admire the Glamrock band, and is liked enough by Bonnie to be given his bass, by Bonnie himself, and take his place upon his retirement. I mean, if someone in your favorite band thought you were hot enough stuff to personally name you a successor to them, I think that'd get to anyone's head.
Point is, narcissists aren't born, they're made. Understanding that, and showing what made Monty the way he is would be far more compelling than him simply being like that since his construction. But alas, that just doesn't seem like the direction they're taking his character, which is disappointing.
They could've done so much with monty, but did so little, then they killed off Monty. Rip
@@vsnake8663 it seems a little silly to me to believe that's only there as Fazbear Propaganda™. Because if _that_ had been the real intention, the base game would've come out with the cutout story alongside the suspicious security logs, right? [If steelwool follows logic and basic story comprehension, which... they might not but, yk]
@@vsnake8663 I think it might be, just because we find Bonnie dead in Bonnie Bowl rather than Monty Golf.
@@Depressed_Dandelion Well, I'm not entirely sure, given the turbulent development of base Security Breach and how much was cut from the final product. You raise a good point, but I can't be certain what story Steel Wool is trying to tell given their track record.
As a side note, anyone else notice the distinct tone shift between blue- and yellow-eyed Helpi? Blue tends more to a formal, impersonal tone (the best description I can think of is that he sounds like a tutorial or instruction pop-up, which given the implications about Vanessa's backstory she's likely familiar with how they read) whereas yellow tends to be more casual and directed specifically at Cassie. Definitely makes it seem like blue is the default, functional, version (ie the version an actual technician would be using) and yellow is an external force.
According to AstralSpiff/his chat, the Mimic is called "Grimic" (Gregory plus Mimic) in the files.
The ending with Gregory, Vanessa and Helpy on the hill is appearently called "Brazil ending" in the files.
There IS a movie called Brazil were the protagonist I believe imagines paradise to cope with his own death. Imo this is definitely Steel Wool's way of saying in the ending where you disobey Gregory, make a wrong turn and get chased into a dead end by a killer robot, Cassie decides to imagine her friend safe and sound while possibly getting killed by the mimic.
@@Bubiquemado Oh my god that’s so sad and dark!
Grimic, Grimace's crappy cousion xD
@@superlemonslicer1224 thought the same
I think the Mimic was lying about Roxy and, realizing that she would definitely try to help Cassie, put Roxy in a position where she could be shut down. The Mimic does have some access to the Pizzaplex network so probably lured Roxy into getting stuck on the forklift, then told Cassie that Roxy was a security node to get her out of the way. Unfortunately for the Mimic Roxy survived... somehow.
Roxy rebooted
If you think about it, the whole thing with Sun & Moon turning into Eclipse after she inserted the faz-wrench just rebooted Moon
So when the game had us “deactivate” Roxie, we basically did the exact same thing as we did in the Daycare, we just stuck the Faz-Wrench into her and it did the same thing it did to Moon, rebooted the animatronic
She rebooted like eclipse and honestly if there is more after this i can emagine cassie surviving the fall finding out she needs to fix and reboot everyone starting with roxy and they will all gang up to stop the mimic together possibly all dying or pulling a fnaf and none of them dying but seeming to die. Roxy was no longer under mimics influence they can say the reason monti killed bonnie was because the mimic infected him first. Freddy resisted the infection and chicka was somewhere in the middle of partially resisting the infection reduced to simple computations of only remembering she likes pizza kinda like a zombie and brains. this would probably be the route that would make everyone fairly happy but im sure others will say it was just a way to keep things going so who knows
What if Roxy was a node? She had the node grid in her but it wasn’t as complex as the others.
I think it was the Blob that reactivated Roxy. It was there the whole time. Watching. Listening. It must want the Mimic either trapped or game overed for good.
Honestly the mimic feels underused at this stage. Like it leads you to it and then just chases you normally. An interesting alternative would have been releasing it towards the middle of the game and then having the other animatronics become friendly trying to help you contain it. Except it can now mimic them, making you think it's them and luring you towards it. Maybe it finds spare casings so it can trick you. Basically making more use of it being a Mimic
So we're gonna ignore Chica being a pizza addict and Monty having anger issue for this plot to work?
What if instead of Cassie seeing the Mimic and realizing she was tricked, there was an entire section where the mimic was chasing you while still talking to Cassie. Saying stuff like
"You need to go towards the animatronic! It's your friend!" "Don't you trust me?" "It's me, Gregory. Listen to me"
Maybe this could work for Roxy and Esclipe trying to fend off it with Roxy attacking it and Ecslipe helping you in other ways
Don’t know about the others though
@@kirbyfan2088I think repaired Chica might be made conscious again, similar to how Roxy remembering Cassie's party made her break free from vanny, and people have speculated repairing Monty or even Bonnie, so they could come back. Definitely not Freddie though, he already exists and even though two freddies interacting would be hilarious because they would just exchange pleasantries forever, I don't think steelwool would do that
Seems to be just Thrown in at this point... But there is a little bit of evidence that it was Always there.... Kinda dumb that everything that explains it is in Books that no one would normally read anyways
While it was a bit sudden, I really liked Roxy & Cassie's dynamic. From what we can tell, Roxy has a lot of emotional and self worth problems, which she hides with her bad attitude, but if she lets someone get close her, she's genuinely sweet. I'm 100% making fanart of them together, I can't get over them!
Yeah it’s nice to see the animatronics behave nice towards kids even when they look terrifying
I think the idea with Roxy's sudden shift towards friendliness is that she went through the same glitch that Freddy went through at the beginning of the game. Think about it: Freddy recognized something, glitched out, went into safe mode, and was friendly for the rest of the game; Roxy recognized Cassie, glitched out, and then the next time we see her she's friendly and talking in the same way Freddy does. But Roxy seems to take more of an active protector role, attacking the Mimic and giving Cassie time to escape, rather than Freddy just allowing Gregory to hide inside him. It makes me wonder what Monty and Chica would've been like in safe mode. There's a universe where Security Breach starred Cassie and Roxy, and where Freddy is a bad guy with his own personality quirk to match the rest of the cast, and I wanna play that game.
I love this theory! It's so simple and straight forward, and just makes so much sense.
Chica would just sneak u into the kitchen and let u eat whatever u want while waiting for the night to pass
Honestly I could see sage mode Monty bring equivalent to a "cool uncle" type character instead of Freddy's more fatherly role or Roy's kind friend who happens to be am adult role, he would probably be more willing to help Gregory take down the others to protect him albeit not without a guilty conscious for doing so and would probably be shown feeling bad for what happened to bonnie if we work under the assumption he was unwillingly used to destroy them or wasn't related to the death at all. Meanwhile for a hacked freddy I could see his problem being something to do with his role as lead of the band such as being overly controlling of his band mates bossing them around even when they're all supposed to be taking orders directly from Vanessa and therefore should all be working together instead of Freddy being the "boss" and his upgrade could be something to do with his cake hatch given that the scrapped shattered freddy form and the used ruined freddy form both emphasis a destroyed compartment albeit in slightly different ways, maybe up until that point you can't actually ride in Monty but can only have him following to help in some other way sense he seemingly doesn't have his own cake compartment?
Roxy and Cassie's dynamic resonated with me despite being very sudden narratively because I had a similar life experience, both with animatronic friends as a kid and with living people later on in life. I know games are games and storytelling is storytelling, but when I was a literal child I had few friends and couldn't trust them much, and I would invite them to parties at Showbiz Pizza (it was branded as Circus Pizza where I lived) despite being teased and bullied most of the year outside of my special day. The animatronic band at Circus Pizza never betrayed my trust. I never had to wonder if they were lying to me or abandon me or use me for tokens and pizza. Sad, I know, but real. I was in some ways very much Cassie, and I placed my trust in my robot mascot friends when it was squandered elsewhere. When I got older, I met a strong, powerful, beautiful woman who took me under her wing and showed me that I was beautiful too, despite all my doubts. I have pictures of myself in makeup she did for me, standing next to her, taller and more confident than me. Yet she was also harsh and riddled with insecurities herself. I had a Roxanne. So when Cassie and Roxanne had their moment in this game, it was like Steel Wool were sampling my very life experiences, my very childhood. I know it's a less dispassionate and objective take on the story, but it means so much to me. I will always love the fact that they wrote that dynamic into the game. I feel seen.
Holy shit
I'm glad it was relatable to you.^^
This is genuinely beautiful...
@@Mike14264 It has a happy ending too! These days I'm much more confident in myself, I'm still incredibly close with my "Roxy" who went on to be a big sister of sorts, and I never fell down an elevator shaft!
@@animatronikki heh, true! I'm really glad things turned out fantastically for ya!
Personally I find the designs of the Ruin animatronics to definitely fit very well with the atmosphere of how the dlc looks. Especially ones like Roxy, Eclipse, and most importantly Monty.
Yea Freddy got an encounter with a demoman with the eyelander.
Personally I love ruin Monty, he gives me Chihuahua vibes Lmao
@@the_roach_king. a loud dog-like creature posibg no threat whatsoever?
@@plaguenplay3516 Yes
@@plaguenplay3516 yep
It’s interring to note that even though MXES controls the animatronics (or at least tells the where to go). It only makes them attack Cassie after she gets the Mask and starts tampering with the security systems.
Chica aggressively approaches Cassie but probably decides there’s no threat and just loses interest (goes into a sleep mode).
And even though Monty is depicted as incredibly aggressive; at the start all he does is bump into Cassie and knock her into the water. He could have easily killed her right there, but he doesn’t.
It’s only after Cassie gets the mask that Chica and Monty start attacking her. (Because MXES needs to stop her from messing with the security)
This seems like a pretty good theory but another answer to why Monty didn’t kill Cassie immediately was that he was toying with her playing with his food essentially
Yeah, The whole time the Black Rabbit seems to be doing a great deal of posturing- It's trying to appear scary, It's trying to SCARE Cassie away, Or at least scare her into taking the mask off again. You'll note how it just hovers near you, never actually harming you, And it also doesn't call the animatronics on you right away- In fact if you wear the mask for the absolute minimum amount of time, you almost won't even see the Black rabbit.. It's trying it's level best to stop Cassie from progressing further *without harming her*. But it's also battling the mimic the whole way; The Mimic set up the maskbot in the first place and is offering 'help' to it's own ends through Helpi. You can bet that the Mimic is doing everything it can to distract and keep the Black Rabbit busy, even if you never see most of it playing out.
Chica might also just have had a bad battery, since she only becomes a threat again after she later falls into a fallen recharge station (and even that second wind doesn't last long before she shuts down again in Roxy's area).
MXES in my opinion is glitchtrap. It was made to be FNAF security system to hold mimic 1 (the main I.A of the place). When MXES is turned off the mimic i.a was set free while the mimic animatronic was set after that.
Mimic I.A can be sseing jamming MXES, it could have take control of staff bots too.
@@gaiofattos2 when can it be seen?
Roxy being the security node has to be a bold face lie. The mimic didn't want anything to interfere with it leaving and fulfilling its programing
Especially if it sees itself as Gregory. Roxy is Gregory's biggest hater
I really like the Roxy moments since it kinda shines a light on what the animatronics were probably like before they started going haywire while controlled in Security Breach. Maybe not Monty, but getting a glimpse of what the band members were like while they were hanging out and entertaining during the day is pretty cool.
I actually like Monty just being evil. In SB as a whole EVERYONE is under someone else's control it seems like. Just have a character that is bad helps put it into relief. Like Chica is underused, but we can tell Chica is not like Monty, and that helps connect that Chica isn't bad just being controlled. If Monty was also 'deeper' than the story would be "everyone is being manipulated except Gregory and Mimic...and probably them as well, Gregory by Vanessa/Glitchtrap and Mimic by copying things without understanding them". At least there is 1 character we can latch onto as being pretty much just what we see.
Also I have not seen the skeleton rabbit before this video FUCK WHAT IS THAT!?!?!
The skeleton is probably just an unused model for the Entity/M.X.E.S.
The Mimic doesn't just copy things without understanding them, it's more like a child who constantly learns about new things...
@@playerlgamer0592 Monkey see, monkey do.
It's Ruinborn Afton It Always Comes Back
I think it also makes sense. Monty is so badly damaged. I imagine he's in pain, reverting to a feral state as something of an instinctual defense mechanism.
I just like how Freddy, the original main antagonist of the franchise, is actually scary again. It’s a really refreshing feeling to be unnerved by Freddy. Loved the video!! 🔥🤍
Yea he only Need to Met a demoman with the eyelander
I feel like Freddy has always been the least scary of the core 4.
FNAF 1 he's one of the least likely you get jumpscared by, FNAF 2 toy Freddy is too silly to be that scary, he isn't really in 3, he's scary but also easy to manage.
@@shadowmetroid18Wdym least likely to get jumpscared by, considering the power outage jumpscare I'd say everyone that played FNAF 1 has atleast seen it once.
@aikesscs yeah everyone has seen it but considering foxy Bonnie and Chica move a lot more and on higher difficulty it's a lot easier to let one of them slip through, you die to the others more.
@@shadowmetroid18 Withered Freddy was creepy.
It's nice they gave Roxy a redemption but it sucks a lot that Monty and Chica got thrown under the bus in the process. In leu of fanservice, sacrifices were made. I dunno, it would've been cool to add more depth to Chica and Monty like they did to Roxy.
Yeah, I'm hoping the second dlc/game (because I doubt this is it for the pizzeplex) will repair Monty and proplery repairing Chica (and maybe Bonnie, I hope so). Maybe if more DLC is added, there would be a deltarune secret boss esque secret ending, where all of the animatronics help fight mimic, black rabbit, vanny, security or Afton or all of the above. But that could feel a bit too mech fighty
Well, they gotta give Chica a break cuz she suffered from being crushed and unable to speak.
Also, Monty's guilty as fuck, for being aggressive and go mad in some points.
@@Fredcat11 But you can give her a new voicebox, and just because she can't currently speak doesn't mean she can't act or communicate. With Monty, he doesn't have to be all angry and crazy.
@@Fredcat11Monty's just a gamer and you're all hypocrites
If we get a second DLC, naturally Monty would be next...
My theory about Roxy being a node is that the security system ai, as advanced as it is, determined that cassie's emotional attachment might deter her from shutting Roxy down. It only makes that change partway through the games, which is why Roxy didnt have the same red cast as the other nodes when we first met her. As for why she's able to speak & remember cassie, I think it might be because her vital hardware is still intact despite her casing being shot to hell. Her individual attractions seem more based around interacting directly with kids, where chica and monty's roles were more as mascots for their areas. I think she could have been hardwired to be kind to kids and hold conversations with them during open hours, resulting in her speech and memory abilities being more well-safeguarded against malfunctioning & staying intact while Monty & chica's degraded.
So, I have had an idea floating around in my head for a bit. I have always found it odd that Roxy of all character had all these extra-sensory abilities. With enhanced sight, smell, and maybe even sound seeing how she can track you. It is almost like she was always built for some kind of detection purpose in the game. Now seeing how the mimic hides in plain sight, tricks people with audio, and skulks around; Roxy seems like the one animatronic that could detect and locate the mimic. A counter to it's design if you will. This maybe why the mimic wants her gone, she maybe one of the few character that can really mess with the mimic's abilities. It is also worth noting the connection between the discs you can only see with Roxy's eyes and the visuals of the AR world in ruin. I am not totally sure why, but she seems to be built differently from the others for some kind of seeking purpose.
Also, I am willing to bet the daycare and the final area with Roxy where cut down to meet deadlines.
On the topic of how they could've done more with Sun/Moon/Eclipse: I could see them as basically the first actual threat of the game, showing up with basically the same mechanics as the rabbit entity, except with the flashlight instead of the mask. So once you've kept the flashlight on for long enough, there's a chance he'll drop in, sinisterly mention something about his perpetual crusade against light sources, then try to get you, forcing you to turn off the light so you can hide from him, or shine him with the flashlight to chase him away. This could then also add more narrative tension about going to the daycare, as Cassie knows she's going to have to deal with the thing that's been chasing her all night so far, and turning him into Eclipse isn't just a neat thing that happens, but actually feels useful for getting rid of a threat.
I think you kinda missed the mark when you mentioned that Roxy is suddenly being really nice to Cassie in that scene before you deactivate her. Listen to her dialogue again, it’s not just out of character, it’s nothing like Roxy’s character, but it is like someone else: Freddy. She uses the exact same vocabulary and tone of voice that Freddy uses through all of Security Breach proper. Roxy is nice here for the same reason that Freddy is nice: She’s in Safe Mode. Freddy malfunctioned, fell over, and woke up in safe mode. Roxy ran into something, got crushed by a pile of trash, and now she’s in safe mode too. It’s SAFE mode, probably activated when one of the robots take a tumble and need to be a bit less of themselves to stop it from happening again.
Yoooo, that's a good point. Maybe that's what it is..
Or it's because Roxy has a prior connection to Cassie and that's why she's nice?
Remember how when Cassie yells at Roxy to let go, she instantly does, due to recognising it is Cassie and not Gregory who she still has beef with.
We know that the animatronics were kind (before the virus)and would never harm a guest, Roxy is just acting like her old self again.
And I don't think she was in Safe Mode until Cassie deactivated her, Roxy then rebooted into Safe Mode like Freddy and Eclipse.
It doesn't make Roxy "less of herself" it does the exact opposite.
i feel like they crammed as much situations as they could in a linear story just to cause confusion. vast majoirty of ruin feels rushed unfinished and the story legit feels ruined since SB was never fully completed so we lost alot of content
Also note that Roxy stops using contractions from what I heard after becoming nice.
She not only has Freddy's tone she also gets his speech quirks, it's very strange
@@slaybutton1692
Probably just the dialogue writer getting lazy, it happens.
I don't think Roxy was a proper security node. I think the mimic wanted you to 'kill' her. Maybe because she doesn't seem to be under its control, maybe because she was aggressive to it because it was using Gregory's voice, or maybe just to hurt Cassie because it knew she loved her.
Also, I was nodding so hard during the Freddy part that I look like him now.
Took me a while to realize that Chica suddenly gains power and stabilizes herself when she falls from the conveyer belt because the Recharge Station... well... recharged her.
The fact she was able to still stand after all she's been through lmao 😂 like how
Freddy talks about Prototype Freddy in Security Breach too, so the possibility of there being another Freddy still exists.
"I hear what some guests say about me, bad things happened in the past, but that was not me, those were older models, flawed, I would never hurt anyone, you know that, right?"
I think at the time that was meant to refer to modles like freddy withered freddy and funtime freddy, the modles before the pizzaplex
I disagree about Monty’s ruined design. I think it’s the best. It's the creepiest. Honestly, I love that he turned into a literal alligator. He completely lost his sanity and has gone wild, I like it a lot. I just wish he was a little more stealthy and made real alligator sounds.
However… I also wished he got more depth, and a chance for redemption. Freddy said himself that his friends were controlled and not acting as usual. But yeah no answers are really given about Monty. Why he has anger issues (well at least in his ruined form it’s obvious why he’s enraged, he suffered so much), if he's misunderstood or genuinely evil without the need of a virus, if he really killed Bonnie… Even though all the evidences point at him honestly, the ending he received just broke my heart because he's my favorite, and since it's not clearly stated that he's the killer, I'm sorry but I can't accept that it's deserved karma. It's just not fair. Roxy gets all the attention for no real reason, and he (even Chica) is left to die. For me, I prefer the idea that he was controlled by Vanny to destroy Bonnie. Or that a virus just messed up his program and he did bad things as a result. So he had to, SHOULD deserve a second chance. And even, whether he's a real villain or not, he has so much potential and deserves a lot more. He didn't even get any new lines. It's just a shame. And, maybe I'm being too optimistic but I think there's a chance that he can come back. Actually they better bring him back in a future game or DLC, because if it ends like this, I swear I'm gonna scream.
Do you remember when we imagined the "choose your guardian" dlc? What a joke, it would have been so much better to save them rather than "Gregory" or rather this Mimic that I hate. Hopefully they make two more dlcs or something with Chica and Monty with their own kids to protect. But it's too good to become true I guess.
Maybe we'll get SB stuff in Help Wanted 2. Help Wanted 1 had 1, 2, 3, and some of 4. If this one has Sister Location and Pizzeria Simulator, then it might have some minigames/levels based on the SB animatronics too! Might be a good way to get more time with the characters. The Ennard level in Help Wanted was extremely neat.
The world ain't sunshine and rainbows.
The mimic did it somebody posted a video about how monty got framed by the mimic but i forgot what their channel wss called
I'm not completely convinced that Monty is "dead." And if he is dead then I think Chica and Roxy died too. Idk to me it just seems weird to single him out like that. I feel like they would either kill them all or kill none of them. Though until we get a follow up to the story we don't know.
@@wes186Chica and Monty were really left unknown and abandoned, we know that Roxy and Cassie are both together alive but Chica and Monty were just kinda there left to rot.
Correction: The red eyes from the teaser poster did appear in game. The mimic’s eyes glowed red when he was saying “I- I’m gregory” before revealing itself to Cassie.
I feel like the only reason they skinned him was, he was already missing his entire lower legs so he couldn’t be destroyed any more with out being significantly slower or just completely immobile
It makes sense considering he has to drag himself across the floor to move, eventually his shell just completely fell off of him
About Roxy being a security node. I also found that somewhat odd, but then I had a thought. It is possible that the other three main Glamrocks were also nodes, but by this point are all inactive. Chica ran out of power, Monty got fried, and Freddy’s head is gone. Theoretically, if they were nodes, their nodes would be offline by the time Cassie is told that Roxy contains a node. I know that if this were the case, “Gregory” probably would’ve mentioned it beforehand, but hey, it’s a possibility. Alternatively, if Roxy did indeed attempt to replace her face and/or head like people assumed and it’s not just a random total overhaul of her endo, then maybe she accidentally installed something that contained a node. I know both of these theories are a bit of a stretches, but I figured I’d at least throw ‘em out there.
To me, it feels like Roxy being a Security Node was just because the mimic wanted her gone.
It's a common thing that sociopaths do where they ask people to do things that they know they wouldn't do if others asked them, because if they do do that thing, they know they'll do basically anything else
And Roxy is shown everywhere, the soda machines are a very obvious sign
Personally, I think Monty's state of "Feral Hog with Rabies" is pretty fitting. He quite literally murdered Bonnie for his spotlight - Even wanting to replace Freddy, it was the main focus of his life.
Once the Pizzaplex was condemned, never to be reopened. I like to imagine he essentially shut down mentally - giving in to the animalistic tendencies he had. You can even see he doesn't maintain the same level of care as the other ruined animatronics, he doesn't have any remaining shell whatsoever.
i love how day by day people’s description of monty gets worse and worse people used to call him a “little mean” to people calling him a “feral hog with rabies” it’s just so dam funny😭
It's not actually confirmed that Monty did it. If anything the way Bonnie was found in Ruin throws that further into question.
@@Troublethecateither way, he’s a showboater and loves the spotlight. Heck, he even does the whole sunglass tip “Rock n’ Roll” thing before his boss fight seemingly for the sake of theatrics.
@@yosh9192Bonnie was known for doing that "rock n roll" thing as well with his classes meaning it was probably just a bass player thing or glamrock Bonnie really is Montys ideal, we will never know tho because they refused to give animatronic Monty any personality that wasn't a feral beast 😭
I think that Bonnie was probably either destroyed somehow by the Mimic, or by Vanny controlling staff bots. Possibly because Bonnie might be similar to Freddy and resistant to being controlled, or for some other reason that Vanny would want to get Monty on stage.
I honestly thought the webbing on chica was moldy cheese from the kitchen. Basically she ate so much it got stuck on the outer casing and started rotting
It is Moldy Cheese
Yeah, I started thinking that too... Unfortunately, long after I recorded. 😭
@@notrealnamenotatall2476 I honestly liked your idea of something crawling from the depths of the pizza Plex and it sticking to the robot. That kitchen was already sketchy I wouldn't be surprised if there was mold in that kitchen way before the place got destroyed.
18:54 That picture actually changes to her alone crying after the cutscene that plays nearby, possibly hinting at the belief Cassie has of Gregory bring her friend was a lie or something.
Behind you when the cutout changes, you see missing posters of Gregory. She was most-likely crying because he went missing.
I find it interesting that Eclipse is the safe mode of The Daycare Attendant. Also makes me wonder why safe mode, or at least the personality of that mode, isn't the default for all animatronics instead of being something that turns on after being reboot.
This is the same company that reuses pizza thrown in the trash
Cause people in fnaf universe are stupid
The thing Matpat successfully guessed was that Burntrap took control of the Blob in that ending. That's what they changed last minute. That's why the other endings all feel so... rushed. Because the Burntrap ending was the original, but then Matpat guessed it successfully, and heaven forbid someone put plot details together correctly without being told, right?
But the Mimic fits in the dlc EXTREMELY well, we knew way before the dlc that we will have to "find Gregory" in the dlc but we obviously know he escapes with Venessa and Freddy's head, and the only animatronic with the ability to Mimic human speech and behavior is the Mimic himself.
Burnttrap probably wasn't even gonna be in the original game, the Mimic has 5 fingers on ome hand that looks exactly like the hand from the very first security breach trailer we got. Their original plan was to probably add the Mimic but changed it to Burnttrap later on which would explain why the Burnttrap ending is actually in Gregory's imagination and why Burnttrap didn't get much screentime.
God dammit matrick pathew
One thing i honestly hated about ruin was how they felt the need to bring in the mimic to replace Afton even though VANNY was RIGHT there and how there was ZERO mention of mimic in the base game.
There’s one thing to make an unfinished story but to make an unfinished story full of retcons makes it feel like they had NO idea what they’re doing with these characters.
Because if mimic is the villain now what was the point of burntrap, vanny or blob if they don’t matter anymore?
Don't worry. I don't expect Mimic to last more than five minutes if how they handled Vanny was any indication.
10:16 the Rabbit Music Man does actually appear walking around the complex in the pack. Its just hard to tell since there's so many but he is there. He's typically the first one to walk from the pack as well
Very, very comprehensive video that explains basically everything with Ruin while still leaving the more lore heavy stuff for a later date, which btw I can’t wait for that video involving Bonnie.
Overall, Ruin was pretty good, I’d say. Not the best, a lot of stuff felt a bit shoehorned in and rushed like the daycare section and Roxy and Cassie’s relationship, but this was a great and noticeable step up from the base game, even if the story has been screwed further than it already was.
Gameplay wise, ignoring the Sci-Fi parts, I liked how they made the animatronics teleporting after you a part of MSEX’s gig as opposed to them just appearing due to the security bots spotting you. The atmosphere was way better and creepier that SB proper and tbh the headless Freddy chase sequence was the best part of the whole DLC for me. All that said, Ruin is a solid 6 or 7 out of 10 for me.
Again, I loved how thorough this video was and I’m really exited to see what else you have to say about Ruin. Great work, and have a very lovely day ^^!
I think Roxy is not a security node in the slightest - it's probably Steel Wool cashing in on easy emotional moments that can still be justified by, tada, 'agony'. Cassie's feelings after deactivating Roxy create agony which is a big mcguffin resource in the books. In other words, the Mimic told her to do it just to fuck with her and get juiced up
The Mimic does a bit of trolling
How can you be so heartless
I love the idea the mimic just messes with people for no other reason than "Fuck you."
Then again, keep in mind that Roxy was after Gregory (Mimic) and the Mimic considered her to be a threat. So the Mimic told Cassie to get rid of Roxy to nip that problem in the bud.
@@muffetmissulena6540 The Mimic seems to consider itself to be Gregory. The way it keeps repeating "I'm Gregory" when Cassie finds it, and how it stitches together that costume into a crude approximation of him. Given that Roxanne reacted so violently to the thought that Gregory was in the Pizzaplex again, and she was right near the pathway down to the Mimic's basement, it likely considered her its biggest threat. I do agree that she isn't actually a node and it's just Cassie being manipulated into deactivating her.
IMHO, I really liked the idea that Roxy genuinely loved the children & performing for them... because they're her super fans.
Not only is it genuinely sweet, but it also DEEPLY adds to the tragedy of what was done & happened to her.
When I saw the ‘Eclipse’ code switch after you reboot him I assumed it was just how the animatronic was actually supposed to work before the whole mall was tampered with instead of being a third personality.
It's hard to tell. The books apparently "confirmed" that Moon has always been evil, evil, monster that FE couldn't fix... but of course, that is the books, and they say a lot of weird stuff.
@@notrealnamenotatall2476 It was something that I picked up from the pause menu missions. Unfortunately I can't find a transcript on the internet yet to double check it as I do not actually own the game.
I interpreted Ellipse as Sun and Moon finally merging.
Like, what if Sun and Moon were simply acting personas? Like, when Eclipse was still the Theatre robot, his two main roles were the Sun and Moon.
But then, when the Glitchtrap Virus took control of him, it acted as a sort of Jekyll and Hyde potion and made the split between Sun and Moon much more literal.
Suns line of “make us whole again” is what really makes me think this.
Then, when the DA is fully rebooted, Ellipse is whole once again. Sun and Moon are finally made whole again.
I think Suns final “thank you” was a final breath so to speak before fully merging.
I also think Suns line of “Not me, the other me!!” Was him talking about his physical form. I believe you can only talk to Sun with the mask on because he’s trapped in an eternal nap, aka, stuck in the digital world. So when he said reboot the “other me”, he’s not talking about Moon, but rather his physical self.
It’s kinda sad that would mean Sun and Moon are gone forever, but I like the possible implications of Eclipse being a recovered Dr Jekyll with no memories learning that his two personas were given life and caused havoc around the Pizzaplex.
I really like leaning into the Jekyll and Hyde aspect of Eclipse, Sun and Moon.
But Cassie mentions that "I never slept better than I did in the Daycare" when commenting on a AR Moon plush.
And "I used to have so much fun in the Daycare" when commenting on a AR Sun plush.
@@prufanthose moments had to be before the virus took over Eclipse. It doesn’t disprove the Eclipse wasn’t the one taking care of the kids during those times.
Sun and Moon were still Eclipses personas, even when he was a Daycare Attendant. He just had a different persona depending on wether it was naptime or playtime.
I think glamrock chica is covered in the Monty's Mystery Mix ( lots of people seem to have forgotten about that!) But it's what we used to lure her into the trash compactor in the first place, and it also said she was absolutely crazy about it, so when the place went to shits it makes sense that she would go around gobbling up all the mystery mix she could find.
Also, regarding Chica's voice box, I think it may be something for a super secret ending. Because there's a monty golfing arcade game as well, although i dont know what happens if you get a good score in that. So who's to say there isn't also a roxy racers game? Maybe if you get good scores in them all, you'll get Monty's Claws or Roxy's Eyes, and you can get a completely different ending. It wouldn't be too far a throw to assume that since you can fix the daycare attendant, you can fix them too .
Apparently there's no internal flag for repairing chica, so the game just doesn't track it in the save file. I do hope there is another ending, cus ATM it feels like we are missing that bit more of context needed
There’s nothing in the code for more than 3 endings, however you can find Monty’s legs somewhere (i don’t remember where lol), which could perhaps suggest that at some point they may have planned for a fourth ending where Cassie repairs all of the ruined animatronics and saves them
@@rattyxoxo7397 They're in a kind of Monty alter next to a wet floor bot, I think only in the AR world?
I think they fumbled the execution HARD in security breach but the new villain (spoilers) being an AI that has been constantly fed bad information that can mimic whatever it comes across is actually pretty cool
And im SO GLAD its not actually Afton
the mimic being down there presumably being used to help code the SB animatronics also explains how they have complex personalities. They have AI in their brains to develop personalities and remember information like how Roxie remembers Cassie has no friends and also likes carrot cake.
It could also explain how extreme their personalities are in the events of SB
Chica's AI was told to be a foodie, the AI took that to the extreme and now Chica eats garbage.
Roxy's AI was told to be competitive and look nice, Roxi now has narcissistic personality disorder.
Monty was told to be a gator i guess? and now he wants to bite everything that moves.
Freddy was told to be kind and friendly, and now he helps orphans evade security and destroy the establishment that he is a mascot of
I feel the same way, my biggest gripe with security breach was bringing back Afton when it was so unnecessary and kind of made the story of pizza sim completely invalid. I hope they continue to go in this new direction with the mimic or other antagonists similar to vanny. The AI concept is very fascinating given the state of AI in the real world right now too, it adds a bit more of the horror aspect to the game imo
At least ruin is a breath of fresh air. I really liked where they took it
I'm really hoping that Monty is either a red herring or that there's a lot more to what happened then we realize and he might actually appear as an ally later on. Able to redeem himself for an action he may have had no control over.
Better yet, Bonnie says something like "Thanks for stopping me" or even "Thanks for trying to save me"
To just end the whole Monty and Bonnie thing here. With a "here's the body, yep it's Monty, look karma....go home" is just so disappointing.
I know it's unlikely.
I like to think that there's a chance Monty was rebooted when he was electrocuted. Going into the same safe-mode that Freddy went into, and is actually normal again. (Also these glamrocks are built different)
Also I love the ankle biter.
In regards to Chica. Yeah, let's hope she becomes an ally too, and that repairing her voice-box is canon. As I do think she deserves some limelight like Monty and Roxy.
I know it may seem counterintuitive to have a horror game with not one, but three (possibly four if Bonnie is included) allies helping. Considering the state their in. Even in Cassie/Gregory/Vanessa repairs them a bit. They are not in any position to protect anyone. Even Roxy herself only slowed the Mimic down.
Speaking of the mimic. He would work perfectly in this situation. Just imagine you hear Monty from a vent "I managed to get the door open, go left that door should be unlocked now. You just need to power it up to open it" then as you walk over you here Monty but from a different vent say "Don't go any further, that thing is there waiting. Quick in here I know a way around it"
An entire game where you have multiple allies, and yet still on edge would be so neat.
I can definitely see a game where the Mimic fights them all tbh
The rabbit skeleton guy found in the files is actually just The Entity's old design. I love both designs but I find this earlier design to be much more disturbing than the one we got
I definitely liked Ruin way better than base Security Breach. Way less bugs. No 80 million staff bots who can somehow see you from 20 yards away(seriously, it's like they confused more staff bots with harder difficulty when they were mostly just annoying). The atmosphere was really good. Lots of tension. The only part that was kinda meh to me was the Monty Golf section. I like the idea of Gregory sometimes speaking(mostly through Easter Eggs) and at other times it's the Mimic. Now the community is debating on if the one who dropped the elevator was just the Mimic again or if it was actually Gregory. I personally, think it's Gregory. But I can understand why people might think differently.
With how brutally gregory took parts of the animatronics originally, n how 1 of the endings has him flat out killing vanessa n watching it happen, while another has him not care that a woman just fell to her death. Yeah, sure those endings were likely drawn by gregory, but that means before saving vanessa, he wanted to kill her. Or maybe even after saving her he still had that fantasy enough to draw it in a comic to leave behind. Either way, he was already dreaming of killing n had killed multiple animatronics with personalities he could clearly see. N if he went there frequently before the incident, he would know all of them very well. If he knew cassie n was at one of her birthday parties (roxy says she was number 1 twice. I take that as meaning she had 2 parties there) n knew roxy was here favorite he would've SEEN THIS SIDE OF ROXY BEFORE RUNNING HER OVER WITH A RACECART. Him being willing to murder Cassie 100% tracks for me. Just makes it clear he is just that bad of a kid.
I feel like Gregory trying to kill Cassie after helping her escape doesn’t make any sense, but basically any other explanation doesn’t make sense with his ending dialogue
@@clwilliams9276 You are number one, twice is talking about her birthday being on the 11th
@@whyiwakeup6460 I've seen some theories suggest that the Mimic cuts Gregory off midway through (Hence the different dialogue boxes) and is the one who cuts the elevator and kills Cassie. It could also line up with the Mimic not wanting Cassie to leave and potentially warn others of it's existence, which could work with the "we can't risk being followed" line
I liked the staff bots in SB. In Ruin, none of the animatronics pose any kind of threat.
"Monty got the short end of the stick"
*Monty:* friend, my f**king legs, torso, skin, and one eye are gone. You don't say.
I really enjoyed the entirety of ruin. I feel like it was a much more cohesive game experience, it had clear and concise narrative beats, story arcs, and it had a very “Scott” level of answers with new questions.
It makes me even more wishful that we could have gotten the vision SW had for the base game.
Killer content as usual
31:22 its important to note that this ending is called 'brazil' in the files, as a reference to a story where someone tries to comfort themselves in a bad situation by convincing themself that theyre not in it. Its likely this ending is literallt all in cassies head, and is her trying to do what is stated above, so i wouldnt worry about the lore implications of helpy being there.
Glamrock Freddy being a prototype could also theoretically explain why Vanny's hack of the entire network didn't work - like maybe he runs on an older version of the Glamrock AI code that was incompatible with what she was using to manipulate them (that doesn't perfectly work with the lines in the sinkhole saying he was controlled before, but hey, maybe she tried a "one size fits all" solution instead of the individual hack she used before and that's why it failed). Otherwise there's just no real reason why Glamrock Freddy crashed and rebooted into safe mode when Vanny tried to take control of him in SB
In my playthrough of ruin I felt bad for eclipse because he thought that children were gonna come back to the daycare in the morning
I personally think that the mimic was lying about Roxy being a security node, because it knows that Roxy and Cassie have a bond after hearing it through the radio when Roxy grabs Cassie’s arm, so the mimic thinks (and was correct) that Roxy would try to defend Cassie
I haven't fully watched the video, but I definitely agree with the whole daycare thing, at one hand, I was glad we gotten to see the both of them, on the other, it felt off and I was a bit saddened when it was over, I would have imagined there would've been more stuff for the two (or three ig in this case). Still I am happy to see the daycare attendant regardless.
Though, I do wanna point out something about that whole segment, specifically ecplise, I saw someone on Twitter say something about the fact that Ecplise is a mixed of both Sun and Moon's personalities not just Sun, but calm. There's some collectibles if you look around and it has some tidbits which makes me even more confused, I think it's Cassie commenting about how she used to go to the daycare and stuff.
also kinda wished we got an estimated time of when Ruined occurred, because they never specifically state if its been three months or longer or at least somewhat awhile.
The Hill ending is called the Brazil Ending and is a reference to a movie where a man goes mad and escaped into a fantasy. It's pretty much implied that the Sunny Hill/Brazil wnding is Cassie losing herself to The Minic/Glitchtrap.
I’m just glad steel wool or maybe Scott was like “yeah this ending is the canon ending” which I love because I’m glad they chose to keep Vanessa alive since I feel if they wanna keep this story going it’s a way to keep her character instead of a one and done in the story
I feel particularly bad for Chica. Honestly I think she just straight up dies once you give her voice box back.
I don't think she's dead, but her ability to store a charge seems to be severely damaged (hence why she keeps powering down)
I liked wha the dlc gave us plenty of missed opportunities for scares or tense sequences like Monty in the water but it was pretty good still. Eclipse was easily the best withered design and I didn’t think chica was gonna look worse cause she was pretty messed up but all that garbage made her design look cooler. Seeing the mimic for the first time was great as well plus a clever twist with steelwool with the security program who people thought was glitchtrap. I do hope one day we get to see withered dj music man one day
The voice line that plays in the hillside ending ("I'm okay, I found a place to hide") is the exact line from earlier in the game when Roxy goes after 'Gregory'.
I like that through Roxy we get to see(at least somewhat) how the Glamrocks are intended to function when interacting with guests, especially those who are already in the system prior and maybe even more so if they opted into an optional birthday party thing.
Edit: Considering that you apparently hear Roxy say Cassie at the end of the elevator ending it would be interesting if this Mimic pulls a book Mimic and mimics Roxy and her more compassionate approach, could be a neat theme to explore, not that I'm against just having Roxy find Cassie and them having an adventure together or something.
It feels like the mimic was so underused so that steel wool could swap it out at the last minute if it was poorly received in the books. Seems like they may have been burned by peepaw willy's reception and wanted to test run their new villain this time.
I loved all the designs for Ruin.
Totally wasn't a crying mess after deactivating Roxy. Nope, definitely did not happen.
I haven’t beat Ruin yet sadly, I’ve been trying to avoid spoilers but your videos are so entertaining!
I think the new implication of the sunny hill ending is that it’s not a physical place - it only exists in AR, hence why you get to it by finding a random cutout and putting the mask on. The AR mode already plays with space in some confusing and reality-bending ways, so having the main characters hide in a section of it that looks like a real place feels like the logical next step. This is also why Helpi is both on the hill and in the system: It’s all the same.
It's also worth mentioning that the name of the ending in the files is a reference to a film where someone in a bad situation basically deludes themself into thinking everything's ok. It's likely all in her head.
it really makes you wonder, is fnaf the matrix now?
@@chrisgarrett6305 AhI see, I had considered that before, but I thought it was weird Vanessa would be there if it were just Cassie’s imagination. There isn’t any evidence as far as I know that Cassie has met or seen her. But that’s a really specific and deliberate reference, so I think I’ve changed my mind
The sunny hill ending is obviously just another one of the mimic’s tricks
The cutout is just the mimic’s trap card
If you pay attention by having the subtitles on. Right after Cassie dons the mask, it is Gregory that says he's found a place to hide. It's the exact phrase that the mimic used before, after that it's just Cassie breathing heavily, like she's hyper-ventilating. This is the real bad ending.
Once you go through the credits on the normal ending Roxy asks: "Cassie?", implying she did not die after plummeting to the bottom.
The Scooper ending doesn't have Roxy say "Cassie" but that's because Cassie is safe.
I believe it’s implied Cassie’s father made M.X.E.S., as on the Bonnie lunchbox it says that Bonnie was his favorite, and given he’s creating an A.I. maybe he had a little fun with it and modeled it after Bonnie, maybe after Bonnie got replaced by Monty, to subtly protest against the company.
To add on that I have a little speculation that Cassie’s old man may have set up a lot of the security system, maybe alongside Vanessa. That may also be the reason why Roxy is a node, as she was his daughter’s favorite character, plus for practical reasons, who would ever think to look in the animatronics for security nodes? Especially someone like Roxy? I may speculate further that possibly Cassie’s dad programmed Roxy’s personality, maybe sneaking in some mechanics for protecting Cassie specifically, making sure she always was supportive of Cassie, and unable to harm her.
Anyways glad you’re back, I was excited to see your takes on Ruin!
Very Henry-like.
@@dell988 More so just protective father like in general if it was the case, although maybe Cassie's dad took a few notes from Henry along the way lol
Honestly, I think why so many people didnt want the Ruin Freddy to be our SB Freddy, is because so many people got attached to this animatronic father figure and didnt want that betrayal. I know i immediantly latched onto 'this is not the bear father' and only realized 'no wait, it is' after thinking for a bit about it.
I agree with the Protype stamp beign a retcon and not a new foot. The fact it is so prominently on display makes me believe they want us to see it and that bit is a partial explanation to Freddy's uniqueness in the first game. It took so much longer for him to be corrupted, and I think this is a key reason. It makes sense that Freddy was the first one made and that they would just use him if the protype was sucessfull enough from the start, to save costs. Vanny wouldnt knoe it was an old animatornic unless she specifically sae that stamp under that foot. It makes sense that the other bots may be running on a slightly different or streamlines softwear as well. It is possible this made them more suseptable. It is also possibel that Vanny altered the programming for the new bots hetrself that made them more suseptible to the glutchtrap control, not realizing Freddy was already made and thus opperating on the pre-altered software. Reagurdless which of this was the ultimate cause, i think Freddy being a prototype is ehat made him more resiliant and able to help Gregory.
6:47 more like animatronics weren't programmed to respond to the whole place falling in disrepair, that is also why roxy asks cassie about her booking a party, she doesn't realise that the place is closed down and still expects guests to arrive
Honestly Eclipse reminds me of the gem fusions in steven universe in a way. The best (and worst) of both parts make them up, and effect the personality the most, but things can get really messy if one or both (or more) of the people involved have some enotional imbalance while fused.
Literally just making chica thank Cassie when she puts the voice box in would’ve been like 50x better than her “I sMeLl PiZzA”
Monty's current state of damage in this DLC is nearly identical, and likely a reference to The Terminator's state in the ending fight of the original Terminator movie, with his sinking into the water being a reference to Terminator 2.
I didn't notice that! Very interesting thanks for pointing that out!
Finally someone else who notices how much pain Monty went through :( he was my favorite glamrock
Seeing Roxy's moments new the end destroyed me. Im so glad they did her some real justice in the DLC
Too bad they didn't care enough for Chica and Monty to give them some love too.
@@obliviongigan6360 They kinda did with Chica, giving her the voice box.
@@prufannot really 😂 she kinda just deactivated and lost power after being crushed and electrocuted like countless of times....
As an avid Glamrock Chica enjoyer, when I found out about Chica's feeding Frenzy and repairing her, my hopes were so high for it. As, I'm usually the first to chime up like "Chica practices her guitar, she has a caring personality, she has a bowling ball in her room like Freddys to remember Bonnie, while Roxy and Monty don't. She has a little fitness mazercise center in the Mall and maybe leads fitness classes, (but that's speculation on my part) " Like I am usually first to point out the small characterizations she does have... So to go out of my way, to play the Chica game, which can be pretty hard depending on your bullet hell/undertale skills....to fix one of my favorite Glamrocks, only for her to go: "I SMELL PIZZA!" Looool Like I felt sad. Me: Chica is more than just Pizza! G.Chica herself: Pizza! Me: Do you know how much I care and love you? Chica: PIZZA! .....That and.... The big revelations with Monty.... Yeaaaahhh I think Glamrock Chica and Monty deserved a little bit better. (but then again so did Vanny)
Did we just become besties? I think so! Chica is my favorite animatronic and she has the most personeliyle and Didnt even change even when the games went by, still our old chicken :)
While I got some bad vibes from what I've seen of the game so far, I do like that Roxy was basically redeemed and I thought the game looked nice. The AR mechanic was interesting and visually my favorite parts of the game.
Cassie is a wild change for the series. A female human with both agency and the ability to move the plot is a first. She has motivation and an understandable emotional investment. Her loneliness making her reckless enough to do any of this is actually established in the story. Wow. It also makes sense that the Mimic would choose her as a victim due to this. Now, if Steel Wool can resist the urge to retcon her as a robot or a ghost or a ghost in the robot, or Gregory's dream or always under the control of Peepaw Afton, we will finally have a solid female protagonist here. Don't fuck it up, Steel Wool. We don't need another haunted robot girl or any more dead women to motivate male characters to commit atrocities with silly science. Just let her be a brave, lonely girl doing her best.
Also, I weirdly like that elephant clown suit. It's cute. Which is saying something because I don't like clowns. But elephants are awesome. Anyways, great video! Looking forward to that Bonnie video!
I like how Candy Cadet is just there cause why not. Also is it me, or is it kind of dark how the Caution/Wet Floor Bots did nothing wrong, and yet you can brutally murder them to see Bonnie.
25:10 So MatPat ruined the expansion's plot by shooting theories on the wall non stop until something actually got stuck.
You mentioned The Mimic at first can talk in full sentences as Gregory, then has to mix sentences he’s already said to talk. Right before you see The Mimic they are basically repeating the same lines over and over, getting slower and lower pitched. “You saved me!” “You saved me.” “I’m Gregory…” “I’m…Gregory…”
Also right after the reveal Gregory gets a hold of you and says he’s been trying to get a hold of you this whole time. Maybe the reason The Mimic is slowly losing the facade could be because Gregory and Vanessa are trying to get a hold of you, but can’t because the mimic is messing with signal, but overtime they break it’s connection and finally get a hold of Cassie.
This could be a massive stretch, but that’s my theory right now. This could very easily change tomorrow.
"Vicious ankle biter" Is my new favorite description of ruined monty.
I think Roxy being a security node was also kind of a lie. Roxy was the most sentient and aware still of all the animatronics left, so the mimic needed to have Roxy put down in case that what happened happened so she wouldn't do what she end up doing it, which is team up with Cassy or something. But i guess she was just rebooted instead of deactivated. idk. that's what i guess happened.
I find it interesting that Roxy, if she could catch Greggory, seems she wouldn't immediately kill him? She'd demand her eyes back first.
True, but it doesn't really explain why she tried to go after him even before he took her eyes.
13:11 a little counter argument:
That writing on his foot was clearly intentional as the devs could just not have put it there but they did, not to mention the prize in his chest wasnt in security breach either also gregory says that hes with someone in the ending that has a map now idk about u but a head isnt gonna have a map. Finally the daycare endo room where freddy says that he was born raises the question to wether the freddy from SB was the only freddy
i think there was some cut content with the animatronics, asumingly each of the animatronics would have been a security node and we would have had a choice of shutting them down or fixing them (as you can fix chicas voice box but if you do it does nothing at all)
The Helpi ending is called the Brazil ending in the files, which is a film that ends with the MC being tortured and imagining a good ending in his head. So it's most likely not even real, and that's why Helpi is there.
I don't believe it's the true ending, but it could be a glimpse of a 'happy ending' while Cassie becomes Mimic's new hiding spot.
I love Roxy since her interactions and backstory with Cassie make a lot of sense when you look at Security Breach.
In the base game, people thought Roxy was arrogant and not nice to others. But even in this game, she was actually really insecure.
So she was just arrogant, to prevent herself from being too depressed and to not reveal her true self.
What does this have to do with Cassie?
Well Roxy clearly has a soft spot for her.
Her personality is entirely different from the mainly arrogant one we see in SB.
This is because she may actually see the similarities between Cassie and herself.
Cassie was probably really sad and insecure when no one showed up to her party.
Roxy probably sympathised with her because of this because she herself is often insecure.
The arrogant side of hers is a fake personality. She does this to hide her true self, the insecure Roxy.
But after Cassie showed her own insecure side, Roxy most likely didn't feel ashamed to show her soft, emotional and true self to Cassie.
just a random thought on the prototype thing, given the general decay of everything, its feasible that he always was a prototype and they painted it over after whatever testing passed, but the paint over the lettering would have worn or flaked off if it wasnt applied very well. keep in mind thats the adjusted lore explanation, game wise its an obvious retcon
Man Sun got somehow even less time in RUIN, the disrespect to the poor guy, I love them both and I’m happy he got a resolution as (or being part of?) Eclipse