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question, what do you think of the possibility that the mimic learned from aften when the crying child died? You are the second person to say henry but it screams afton to me
The Mimic1 program being Glitchtrap also does a fantastic job of clearing up the character of Tape Girl. Up to this point, she's been kind of weird. We had the impression that she detected the virus, took some steps to destroy it, but then became corrupted and ended up laying a trap for the next tester instead. But that leaves a lot of problems. Where did she go? If she was possessed, she should have been Vanny instead of Vanessa, but she wasn't. She apparently just up and disappeared after setting the trap, possessed enough to set this up, but not enough to do anything else. But this fixes all that. Tape Girl detected the problem, took steps to quarantine it, and left a warning for future testers about it, then quit and went on her way, thinking her job was done. But this taught the Mimic1 program how to create and hide tapes in the virtual environment, so it made the later ones that set up the trap, allowing it to finally succeed on its third try. We know it can perfectly imitate voices.
If I'm not mistaken, she introduces herself twice as well. I always thought that had to do with Glitchtrap possessing her, but he was just mimicking her. I feel like this new villain could be really cool, if done correctly!
Actually, I have a headcanon that Vanessa (I don’t believe she’s Vanny, btw-) is Tape Girl. This is because in one of the retro CDs, she says this weird line, “I have compartmentalized him! He’s locked away.” I assumed she was referring to Glitchtrap/Malhare and how she “locked him” away; in one of the TG’s logs, she mentions how she broke the files into pieces, along with the “anomaly” that attached itself to them. Then, after leaving a warning, she resigns from the project and moves into the IT department. Not to mention, I listened to both of their voicelines, and they sound kinda similar.
Ruin kind of undoes that though. Glitchtrap helpy and Gregory mimic argue over who helps Cassie more, for instance. And what about the murder depictions in help wanted? Those weren't originally in the game, they're implied to be a direct result of glitchtrap, but rye also says that's what teaches the mimic? I don't buy it personally, glitchtrap is Afton, mimic is burntrap imo
@QUBI-QUBED he definitely should have just waited for the pizza plex and the ruin dlcs to finish. But tbh by that point who knows what else will be announced
@@justinhigginbottom8668 Honestly would have been better than his borderline FanFiction. I had to stop taking him seriously. I really think him and the other big theorists are thinking to deep for a game built on bait.
@@RyeToast I dunno if it's you or this other FNAF theorist that mentions this, but I do agree that it've been best if the Tales of the Pizzaplex books were released during SB's development and delays.
19:37 This immediately reminded me of how, ages ago, Matpat theorized that there were two sets of tapes in FNAF VR; one that tape girl uses to try and warn the player about Glitchtrap, and another that contradict those, like Glitchtrap may have taken over tape girl and remade the tapes so the player would unknowingly free him Turns out, he might have been right after all-
@@RyeToast the visible Endo parts on burntrap look AWFULLY similar to the Mimic’s parts to be honest. But since Burntrap is just the mimic, what happened to Bonnie?
My favorite thing about this is that it restores Henry's "Don't keep the devil waiting, old friend" speech to being meaningful again. I was so annoyed by the idea that Afton could somehow come back after that truly incredible ending, and "Burntrap" and "Glitchtrap" just being a wild AI that is 'rehashing' Afton's greatest hits but also spiraling into being a bigger threat than he ever was is an excellent way to bring things back onto a track that can move forward.
I agree. William needs to stay dead. That “digital consciousness via circuitboards allowed him to come back to life” thing was reeeealllly pushing it. Unchecked/unmanaged AI learning from him and repeating his actions feels like a much better way to keep his legacy going while also letting Henry have his victory and ending William’s story completely. This is just an AI that was fed True Crime podcasts until it thinks it’s a serial killer, not the rereREturn of a super dead guy via.. Scanning a haunted motherboard and using a VR game to hijack a playtester’s mind and then, somehow, be reanimated into the same body that is stuck inside an older-than-dirt animatronic bunny suit that Henry reduced to ash who knows how many years ago. Janky AI > William the Undying ALL. THE. WAY.
And I personally love that this seems to build on the original idea of Glitchtrap being programmed by someone who admired William and wanted to become the next variation of him, literally being an AI built to only do that
I made a comment about how William pretty much got split into 3. Mind is in Cassidy's purgatory, body is slapped onto Burntraps endoskeleton, and the soul is Glitchtrap who's either possessing and taking over Vanessa to be Vanny or just manipulating her into having an Alter that sometimes comes out
Something that's cool about this Mimic story, too, is that it has some cool symbolism you can play with. Kids themselves are mimics, learning from copying the adults in their lives, especially their parental figures. What if, symbolically, the Mimic's backstory is about the fear of a parent for failing to be a good role model? Or perhaps even the consequences of abuse. You allow your anger to take control, do something horrible--and they learn violence. And the cycle of abuse and pain continues. Overall the Mimic is more like a sci-fi take on a copycat killer, but the added backstory of him being meant as a companion for a young child really makes it fit into the overall themes is the FNAF story as being a story about the lasting effects of violence and trauma.
what if this is William Afton backstory like his parents were being bad and aggressive for him so he as an adult became aggressive to children too and started killing them??
@@koxbalon Not too outlandish for him to have had abusive parents, William was likely born in the earlier half of the 1940s(‘40-‘44), thus growing up in a time period when using physical discipline against children was very commonplace.
@@koxbalon This would also make even more sense because it would explain William's motivation for killing Charlie in the first place. I have always never understood that part of the lore
@@placeholderdoe That's because everyone fall for the "William Afton is totally the true villain. Henry isn't sus. Scraptrap having none of William's animatronic talents isn't sus." It's a mystery series. They're never this obvious with the killer. What's funny is that the fnaf6 protagonist plays the arcades has her face reflected on the screen in "Fruity Maze", Susie. The implications of this are pretty huge. One, William actually asked Michael to put HER back together. Not Baby, since we know that Elizabeth was always packed into one completed piece. She didn't need to be put back together. Michael never went to the fnaf6 location after his next mission was to find his father. The fact that Scraptrap lacks William's eyes heavily implies that someone (Michael) has took them before the events of fnaf6, and William's soul (represented by his eyes) has left the body before fnaf6. This also brings into questioning why Henry was so desperate to kill "the one who witnessed everything". William saved her and fnaf4 provides evidence that Susie could be an Afton because her dog (Mangle) and the fruity maze flowers were painted into a portrait in her room. The book trilogy heavily hints that some of the MCI victims in the trilogy are actually William's bastard children. For example, MICHAEL Brooks is Michael Afton in the games. William's big secret item in fnaf4, the box, was an atari that could recreate memories of tragic events and create minigames like the ones we see throughout fnaf. If fnaf6 shows us anything, some of WIlliam's games (Midnight Motorist, Fruity Maze, Security Puppet) and entertainment devices (Storyteller) contain secrets he's trying to leak out into the public. Secrets Henry is trying to hide. Why would the supposed MCI killer try to reveal the truth about Freddys as Henry and Fazbears try to bury it?
@@placeholderdoe To drive the point further, we know that Susie will break the Fruity Maze cabinet. After the ending in the third playthrough of Fruity Maze, the arcade game would suddenly be out of order. Susie broke the game in PS after we playtested it.
@@tinaherr3856 What I’m trying to call out is that if both Glitchtrap and Burntrap are both Mimics, why does Glitchtrap follow the Afton naming convention vs Burntrap who will likely just be renamed to the mimic.
@@SplashCity46 I think there are two possible explanations. One that Glitchtrap is more closely related/mimicking Afton during his murders, with luring in victims and manipulation. Burntrap, on the other hand, is less refined, shifting along and being less direct with attacking, at least when they wake up. They try to hack Freddy, instead of attacking you himself. The other is that Glitchtrap's name is more literal. He is an unintended product of the vr game, an anomaly, a glitch not intended by the developers. He also traps the player in the endings of Help Wanted. Either through the seal/lock, or on an animitronic on the stage while he dances. And that's not even going into the mind control stuff he does with Jermy, Tape Girl, and Vanessa. So Glitchtrap is both an unintended product of the game (a "glitch") and is trapping people. Burntrap, on the other hand, isn't so literal in his name. He doesn't burn people (he just get poorly burned himself). He doesn't even trap people. Gregory and Freddy just fall into the basement by themselves. Burntrap doesn't do anything to lure them there, they go their on their own
@@tinaherr3856 I'm still of the opinion that the Pizza Party ending is the one Fazbear Entertainment intended, as no matter how many tapes you have, the yellow Bonnie costume appears in full form and is fluidly animated, as opposed to the twitchy and ghostly Glitchtrap/Malhare. This leads me to the idea that Glitchtrap is copying the model of the Pizza Party ending's William stand-in as its own avatar, instead of creating the model from scratch. If the Mimic1 theory is correct, this would somewhat make sense, as it is mimicking the appearance and behavior of something that is already present in the game.
I think the mimic repeating William’s action is, in a way, William achieving immortality. Even after he’s been dead for years, his actions are still occurring in his body with parts of his soul and agony. I like that.
I agree. It's Afton both winning and losing, which, in my opinion, is done amazingly if this theory is true. Burntrap no longer takes away from Henry's ending, which was one of the biggest complaints. Henry still won, because his goal was to set the children free and save his daughter. William may have achieved his goal in some way, but even if he could know that, I'm sure he's too busy being tortured to care. William got his comeuppance. William truly does always come back, now it's just in a different way! I love that so much. I really hope this theory is true!
A dumb thought popped into my head recently regarding Burntrap. That being, if it is indeed a Mimic endoskeleton, that it found the remains of William's corpse in the FNAF 6 Pizza Place and decided "This is mine now" and started wearing it like it was another mascot costume.
So we got an endo shoving itself into the leftovers of the corpse of a serial killer who had been wearing an animatronic suit that iron maidened him. So Afton got stuffed in two senses. Inside and out. Can't say he didn't deserve it. Irony at its finest.
what other costume could he take? scrapbaby is too big molten freddy is unwearable only other costume he could use was lefty but it decided to take scraptrap
The more I hear about the Mimic...the more I'm starting to like it, now! I still miss Afton's Willie, but the Mimic is certainly interesting. Anyway, he's William Afton 2.0!
My man Edwin really made an animatronic that is capable of mimicking anything to the point that it becomes homicidal. You need some safety measures on that, bud!
I think it’s a retcon, but a very welcomed retcon. The original game very clearly implied Henry’s plans at the end of Fnaf 6 failed with Afton and Molten Freddy being there but it feels like they heard everyone hate that and are retconning to make the plot more agreeable (even if it’s significantly more convoluted)
@@freddyfrostbear1765 It very much seemed like Burntrap had survived the fire in Fnaf 6, despite supposedly having died with all of the other animatronics during that ending. People did not like this, because they felt like Burntrap had died in 6 and Afton was being eternally tormented in Ultimate Custom Night. The 'retcon' would be taking the established Mimic character from the written in 2019 books, and saying that it's actually the Mimic just pretending to be Burntrap to step around the massive landmine they had created in SB.
@@freddyfrostbear1765they still took a while after the game released to start releasing the books, so even if they were just made to fill plotholes left in the game, that task became much larger than what scott had probably originally intended. I’m not much of a fan of the mimic because there’s really not much in game proof of it, even if the books were written at the same time as game development
@@freddyfrostbear1765 That's... not true. According to wikis (which I have no clue where the information comes from) the TFTPP series was "revealed" in October 2021 and the first book released in Jul 2022. Since I don't know if "reveal" means that they simply announced the project before they started/were in early stages, or if they announced the books themselves as if they're near the end of the creative pipeline, I can't really put a real time behind how long it took to write them or when they started. Even so, I find it extremely unlikely that they were writing the books at least two years prior to their announcement, hell even either before or alongside Help Wanted's release. On top of that not even releasing the first book until a little less than a year later than that. Through pure assumptions I'd suggest that AT BEST they started writing the books in late 2021. Likely as a reaction to the fact that they're about to mangle the story in its last minute rework due to the deadline. That's why they confirmed it by October 2021 but still took 9 months to release the first book and strategically spaced out the releases of books by months to continue working on them while they're actively being released. Best case scenario the books, and by extension the mimic, were starting to be written in sometime around June 2021 at the earliest. 6th months before SB's release. But considering the 9 month gap between the announcement of the series and the release of the first book I would assume that the book series was conceptualized closer to October 2021, somewhere between June and September 2021, but hadn't begun writing until their announcement in October 2021... Conveniently two weeks before SB's last trailer and release date confirmation where it's revealed the game took a severe gameplay AND story shift within the last ~5 months. Almost as if in preparation for the eventual backlash and trashstorm the "finished" SB story ended up with. It is very much a retcon. The entire game and story looked different in a trailer released 8 months before the book series was confirmed to be made in comparison to the last trailer it got two weeks after the book series confirmation.
If Glitchtrap is the mimic, that means that since help wanted we have been facing a brand new arc, William is gone for good, and we are in a new chapter in fnaf’s story
I don‘t know why but RyeToasts fnaf videos are the best to do chores to. I‘m not even really in the fandom but when I want something that isn‘t music to play in the background, they are a great comfort. And this timing is perfect too, because I have a lot of dishes to catch up on haha
The mimic is fascinating. I definitely like it much better than "Somehow, William returned." And better than the "William was kept alive to be tortured, exploded into a bunch of goo, then became a massive trash rabbit." It's an AI that accidentally got taught to be violent and murderous. Then it learns all about the evil things William did and begins to mimic that. This is the idea I hoped we were getting when HW first came out.
>"Somehow, William returned." Will note... This is less "oops he's back" and more "Henry is a fucking moron who didnt get the hint his plan was already on thin ice/didnt get the memo from FNAF 3" :V Especially with Cassidy keeping him alive as well.
@@higueraft571 Honestly, I think people get too hung up about the fire and forget that Henry also made sure everyone was in a underground lair made to heat up quickly and retain that heat. Unlike Fazbear's Fright which was on the surface so when it crumbled it exposed the outside and the building wasn't made to burn so it probably didn't heat up fast enough or long enough to affect William.
This is a good theory, but I do have my doubts about this mimic thing being canon. Wasn't it stated by Scott himself that the books aren't connected to the games?
@@AnonymousLess25 he said the books aren't canon to the games, but lots of lore has been put in the books since the start. It's confusing and messy, but that's kind of how the lore discovery has been since the start
The only thing i would bring into question is the actions of Henry. Sure he might have gone postal on the animatronic but i think henry knows better than anyone the potential of his creation. Its more likely the influence of aftons actions that make it violent
@@RyeToast it comes from the poor conditions of post office workers leading to them committing acts of public violence. Hence the term "going postal".
Well thank you! It took a long time to get here. I had a bowl cut for the first like 14 years of my life. Then I just stopped cutting it. 3 years later it got to a very nice comfortable length, and I've just kept it at that length ever since
My issue with the Mimic being an impersonation of William, is it takes away the Supernatural element of Fnaf, as your just going against an ai rather than ghost. Its more frightening that a dead corspe trapped in an Animatronic suit than an ai. It takes that paranormal aspect away
That's the unfortunate truth we have to accept. This series has become more and more sci-fi when Sister Location came out. Scott said before in interviews that he has to keep reminding himself not to make the series sci-fi, but he eventually gave in around Silver Eyes - Sister Location's time. I remember that interview distinctly, which explains why Fnaf's story is the way it is. Stuff like robot kids and illusion disc are ideas the majority of the fandom hate and disregard, but in my opinion, that's pretty close minded to not put those ideas into consideration just because they don't like it, especially with this new direction Fnaf has taken after Fnaf 4.
This is also very interesting because we KNOW Henry has built at least one animatronic specifically for Charlie, Security Puppet's whole role was to protect her.
To add to what you mentioned about the wall code possibly being from Henry, what if those words of encouragement are for what's left of Charlie in the mimic? "Cry not, try not, do not hold out hope." Sounds like he's reassuring her that even if she fails, she shouldn't weep over this failure again, as she did with the missing children just like the tears on the Puppet's mask. "No, your life, your aim will save those with soul." Sounds to me like Henry knows she's STILL there even after the FNAF 6 fire and because he knows she's not content to disappear while there's still people to save, even if the best she can do is try, her efforts will save those she's still trying to protect. Dead or alive, as long as they have soul, they're on Charlie's list to protect.
The Mimic is so cool. I had a feeling that Glitchtrap and Burntrap weren't William for a while but I wasn't 100% sure if that was really the case. I didn't think it was going to be an A.I. but I'm so glad it is. It allows William to still be dead but his influence lives on without him.
I'm still 100% convinced that they were originally supposed to be, but after seeing how bored people were of Afton still being here after the ending of Pizzeria Sim, the producers tried to change it to something a little more unique...granted, it's definitely a welcome change!
@@damienearl8302 that’s possible but personally I doubt it. There are a lot of small hints in the games to the Mimic and these books are usually written at least several months before they are put on the shelves. But it’s interesting either way.
@@ivebenhere1843 Hm...I didn't actually think about the time it probably took between conceptualizing the books and publishing them But as you said, it's definitely interesting either way!
This makes the 'return of springtrap' so much more enjoyable and compelling. Henry did succeed in releasing everyone he just didnt expect his past to still haunt him. I for one no longer hate burntraps presence
Honestly, i still dont quite like it... Since clearly 6 and UCN were setting it up for Henry's plan to (as both the blueprints and FNAF 3's existence hint) fail catastrophically. The man's Grand Plan is to suicide with the Haunted Undead Animatronics. At LEAST one that's survived a fire already and walked out just fine :V
I would like to say, Edwin getting trapped in the Storyteller and ripping off the Tiger Rock mask parallels what happened with Henry and William. Henry and William get locked in a place, and Henry attempts to kill William, but Glitchtrap remains. Just another thing that hints towards Edwin being a stand in for Henry
No. I feel that Edwin will most likely be William Afton because he's the talented man in the games that loses his company (Afton's Robotics) to Henry (Fazbears), the CC resembles David, and William Afton actually has vanished and reappeared at various times in fnaflore. For example, William is actually walking around under his "Dave" alias in Fnaf SB. But I massively prefer Edwin being his own character with the Mimic being this tragic "twin son". It actually seems more fitting for Edwin to be "Book Henry" and deal with the consequences of granting this once soulless being a life it never asked for. And the abandonment and hatred that scarred the Mimic.
No. No it doesn't. He just dies there, Burrows dies there. It doesn't make sense, it doesn't parallel anyone, it's an original story set in a game universe.
I’ve got two big problems with the mimic. My first, is that if Edwin and his family doesn’t exist in game, how is the mimic traumatized in the game canon? Who even made the mimic in the first place?? And if Edwin is canon, why are there so many characters filling the same story role? My second is that having the mimic is, personally, as unsatisfying as having it be Afton again, because they’re practically a random character. It makes it feel very out of left field. Great video though! Always love a new toasty slice of bread
@@abitofjoyandsorrow For game Henry, maybe, but book Henry does this in the novels with Charlie. So it isn't far fetch to think game Henry would do the same, since FFPS makes it clear he's really good at making advanced robots.
THAT'S A REALLY GOOD ONE! That theory really puts everything together really well, PLUS 17:30, there was a similar thing to this idea in Novel trilogy, where there was an endo (in graphic novels it was shown without legs, only upper body, another clue), that sat in Henry's workshop, just observing everything and twitching in pain from time to time, one that felt Henry's pain, when he didn't finish it and left. Now I actually feel more confident about Glitchtrap being fully mimic... Dam, quite a view changing video! OH, also about eyes being white at first and then black, maybe it's just casing fell apart, we see similar structure for eyes in other animatronics, Glamrock Endos, Scrap Baby, not literally eyes go black, because of the shape
This is an interesting take on the new lore coming out. IMO this does not exonerate the top management of Fazbear Entertainment from all wrongdoing and there's a very good chance they created the Mimic in this way in the hopes it could uncover some of William's secrets, which they could then use for themselves for their own longevity and soul based experiments. Maybe even experiments on how to use souls to create more realistic AIs.
I think this is a good lore explanation for how the rockstar animatronics actually work as well, I think it makes sense for them to be some sort of modernized version of the mimic's AI with pre-programmed personalities to fit the characters, but is still learning like the original mimic, hence how they can appear so alive.
You're right. It doesn't make sense for them to program insecurities like the ones Roxy has, or the gluttonous nature Chica has, what if they saw those actions and learnt it from kids and adults and that their normal personality is the parts relating to their activities, Roxy being a competitive racer, chica being a person who exercise a lot , etc. Ot explains why their are so human, and childish and immature at times. They literally spend all day with kids, so they kind of act like it.
One thing William Afton always said was, "I always come back." He may not have come back himself, but his actions and dark desire continue through these mimics
Just getting into the video, but i do have a bit of AV help with the lighting. Theres a couple of things depending on what types of lights those are. A) you need to back them up and/or angle them away from the wall more. You can mount them with spacers so they stand an inch or two away and from a flat camera angle you wouldnt be able to tell. B) you might want to look into diffusion gels. It might just be a function of the types of bulbs and/or lense. What you really want is a soft box, but that isnt super feasible with the fixture on screen like this. Diffusion gels or bulbs with frosted glass would be the next best thing. Also might need to be paired with higher intensity bulbs/fixtures to compensate.
something i love about your channel is how you always warm me up to what’s currently going on in the series. sometimes i miss classic fnaf since i’ve been here since the beginning, and security breach has made me feel so iffy the entire time but your videos always make me feel better about the direction of the series. the idea of the mimic is so topical honestly
I absolutely KNEW that glitchtrap could not have been Afton and I'm so glad I was right. It had to be some sort of recreation, at first I thought they had scanned VHS tapes William had of his family, his work, everything, and that the virus latched onto that and took William's identity as its own, as a shapeless digital entity. It was just continuing what it learned, and the mimic makes my idea work so much better and I'm so glad this is the direction that's being taken by Steel Wool.
>William’s corpse is not surviving to Security Breach’s time period. It survived a springlocking, sitting in a damp dark room for 30 years, at LEAST one fire, then almost certainly a second fire. I think 10 years isnt too long...
Ok I’ve got a major problem with this theory. When the mimic is transferred into VR, it’s only 2 previous things it mimicked would have been Charlie and Henry, specifically, Henry’s moment of pure anger, rage, and blind violence. In VR, there’s mentions of things like child murder and stuff, but the mimic isn’t mentioned to copy things it hears about, only things it sees. There are only 2 places to get behaviors form in the game: a strong desire for survival, from the players playing, and senseless murder from the animatronics. There’s no context for any of what’s happening for it to glean a more sadistic, calculated and efficient approach to murder, just more senseless violence. It’s have no reason to take the form of glitchtrap. Springtrap doesn’t have any context within the bounds of VR, it’s just another animatronic, and even if it decided to take the form of Springtrap, it would be an exact copy, because the mimic perfectly mimics what it sees, and there’s no other character that looks anything like glitchtrap, and even if I did look past all that, when it gets out, it has no good reason to make the pizzaplex, and also where does it get the power to hypnotize/take over people from??? This just doesn’t make any sense.
I would also like to add the idea that the mimic program was within the original Endo skeletons before they were over, written, partially by the spirits of the dead children.
I keep hearing people talk about the Mimic but didn't know what they were talking about so this is helpful! Also, I think the FNF death sound when the Mimic kills the second group is perfect.
As soon as I got through The Mimic story I instantly thought it was meant to parallel Henry! Finally someone brought it up. There’s even some other things that stood out to me, such as if Henry is the one burning down the restaurants and not Mike, the story has him ‘tampering with animatronics’ daily when he changes the mimics programming every day. One line that stood out to me as odd but important was David saying to his dad how ‘he stinks’ after working on the animatronic all night - ‘odour’??? More evidence of Henry’s involvement maybe? Also he has an only child who dies, by a car accident. Henry has only child who dies and whilst not getting hit by car, the car is very important in her death scene as Willy races away afterwards. It also seems to indicate that Henry disappeared from the company after his grief but that years later he returns and sees the horrors resurfacing from his days. I think this makes sense as him rejoining the company much later realising it’s not over yet. I also think that epilogue 6 with the mimic copying voices and pretending to be someone needing help is important - whether it was relating to the tapes in VR where it develops the tapes stating that they all need to be found contrary to previous tapes, or whether it relates to Gregory in ruin asking for help… not fully decided on all of it yet but it opens a lot of possibilities
No I lowered exposure so far that it got grainy and those bars were still there for some reason lmao. According to Dan, I might just need a better camera, which to be fair, I still use a webcam lol
Also another issue with the Mimic is that through this theory it would seem the Mimic is behind everything thats behind Security Breach. The problem with that though, is why would it Mimic the victims of William, if William is who its trying, to Mimic, and what about the Blob, if that is also, the Mimics doing, then why would the Blob attack Burntrap. The issue with making the Mimic the main villain, it it shys away from the Supernatural roots the franchise was formed on, as well as it, doesnt leave room to expand upon remnant and agony, when dealing with ais, as why would a computer program need remnant to stay alive, when its just a program, that would mean, it would be killing for the sake of it rather than to harness life. Also, there is so much evidence pointing to Cassidy being in princess quest, and Michael still being around somewhere. I like to believe that some of the horrors of Freddys past, did not die so easily rather than just righting it off as an ai that mimics everything, being the culprit. It creates a similar scenario to dream theory, where its an interesting concept, but isn't satisfying narratively.
The Mimic being burntrap makes no sense , they look nothing alike, yes typical bunny years skeleton but they look too different plus there is another theory that Bonnie’s endoskeleton was used for burntraps revival, sure the mimic could have possibly been used as parts for burntrap but burntrap very well knows who he is , he has the powers, probably the memory of Afton and is afton because another issue is the fact that burntrap has fully grown teeth and has more flesh somehow then the original spring trap which can only be explained by regeneration being that Williams soul is still in there with remnant making him regenerate to some extent while also having the ability to hack anything from glitch trap, the mimic is not Afton
@@promo2099 "The Mimic being burntrap makes no sense , they look nothing alike, yes typical bunny years skeleton but they look too different" as if the mimic can't change it's shape (or replace parts), besides, burntrap's model is pretty much an asset flip design, so really, the differences in design hardly hold "burntrap very well knows who he is , he has the powers, probably the memory of Afton and is afton" or it's simply the mimic having the memory of afton through glitchtrap "another issue is the fact that burntrap has fully grown teeth and has more flesh somehow then the original spring trap which can only be explained by regeneration being that Williams soul is still in there with remnant making him regenerate to some extent while also having the ability to hack anything from glitch trap" or the mimic is simply wearing a corpse like it did with kelly's corpse inside the blue dog costume, also, the mimic is said to be able to tamper with electricity like light and radio, essentially, glitchtrap being a part of burntrap gives a point towards it being the mimic even more than afton "the mimic is not Afton" no one said he is, it's just that afton is not the mimic
Im so sooo glad you posted a video right now. This is going to help me a lot with calming down Thank you so so so much for always making amazing content ❤
as far as lighting goes it looks really good! i suggest either a slightly stronger light from the front at you specifically, or a slightly lighter shade of purple for the colors. rn it’s feels just a tad bit too dark (but only just a tad
@@RyeToast stopping back in after watching, and I definitely think the parallel idea works better than the books being fully in continuity with the games. The continuity is complicated enough without throwing in too many of the books. Also, I hadn’t noticed the words that holo-Glitchtrap said, how they were mimicking Tape Girl! Very cool detail!
I think the mimic is just an explination on why the glamrocks have actual personalities and why the endos play red light greenlight, saying its mimicing afton is going way too far imo, as defeating a program instead of an immortal serial killer cyborg is way less interesting.
Yeah, Why would people want things to change in worse? Atleast that’s my perspective. I think that when we already have a villain in the series, replacing him would just be disastrous
That's because the majority of the fanbase is tired of springtrap coming back. We were happy with fnaf 6 as a end to him, by the two living people who he hurt beyond repair and the remaining spirits. We hated him coming BACK in SB because it means all of that was in vain
very good theory, and props to the guy who had the idea to translate the endos into morse code. personally i believe that the tales are fully canon and that edwin is a real character, however it doesn't change much when we reach similar conclusions about the mimic anyway, however there's something i disagree with, i think that freddy is possessed, there's some evidence for it to be the case and it feels narratively obvious for him to be possessed from the role he has in the story and his relationship with gregory. most people believe michael would be the most likely candidate, i did as well before, but now seeing how every character is actually brand new and not old souls brought back, i tend to believe that micheal is unlikely; i believe that freddy is edwin, who impossessed freddy after the events of the storyteller(before it freddy acted very differently from the game), and is now trying to protect gregory the way he couldn't protect david(they share a similar facial description); another proof for this is the fact that freddy seems to recognize the mimic saying "stop him" and gregory ephazising it directly after with "him?! what is that thing?" i also believe the the mimic is chose vanessa and gregory as followers becouse they resemble elizabeth and crying child, and is trying to recreat the afton family as part of his mimicing
thanks man. Also your theory about edwin possessing freddy is 100% true. I have never thought about this before and it's kind of a bombshell, everything lines up perfectly. Hope ryetoast sees this comment.
@@1Woofer1 well, i admit it doesn't have much evidence, but if freddy is actually possessed then i think edwin is a potential candidate, some time ago i believed michael was the most likely candidate, but now, seeing how the old characters aren't actually back, i think i'd be weird for michael to come back
Interestingly you and FuhNaff came up with very similar theories. Though I, for some reason, find "AI that is basically William but not really" to be even less satisfying narratively than just wiliam being back again, it just feels too silly although I can see how well it fits with all the new information
17:39 It makes sense that Henry made the mimic to watch over Charlie In the first set of books Charlie mentions that Henry will always make animatronic toys for her. The books never do mention Charlie's mother as well
I really like the Mimic for many reasons, because it also kinda called all of us out. We were all focusing on, oh Afton is back and this and that and what about Gregory and the crying child and all that. And I think this new story kinda slapped us around the face and told us to look at this story from different lens, which is very fun. I am of the opinion now that the story of HW and SB is probably on the simpler side of things The idea that those who fail to recognize their history are bound to repeat it. Fazbear Entertainment came back as a corporate entity when it shouldn't have. It was greedy, wanting to spark a light of the past to try and establish glory and power. But with said power they also brought back the tragedy and agony of their past, their greed to get things done quick got them in a pickle way worse than they could have EVER imagined. This is why I believe HW and ESPECIALLY SB are so subtle and yet oddly direct with their parallels. Gregory isnt the crying child, but I believe he is a modern parallel of him. Vannesa isnt Elizabeth, but shes a modern parallel of her. Mimic isnt Afton but quite literally trying to copy and parallel him. Fazbear knew their bloody past and yet they chose to ignore it in pursuit of something bigger and grander. And now the figures that have destroyed them once will destroy them again, albeit a different way, unless something is done about it. I would even go as far as to say that the Mimic's plan is to bring back the past, to recreate it, to make it happen again. Maybe this is why the Ruin girl could be Susie and parallel her. Susie was the first victim of the MCI, and maybe Mimic is trying to copy even the order of events of the past. That is if nothing stops it. And Gregory is probably the first major wrench thrown at Mimic, and that to ennact its plan it is gonna be a lot harder than it thinks. Essentially playing of off the idea of the Mimic trying to play off of the past, but the reality being that the NEW people arent gonna make the mistakes that those that came before them did. Thats what I think anyway, could be wrong though. We'll see where the story goes
After seeing this, I came up with a theory of my own, while I'm not sure on Burntrap being the Mimic, I did have a thought, in the Security Breach "Fire" ending, after Vanny is pushed off the roof, Vannessa looks down at the body, what if the Mimic is infected with Glitchtrap and the Mimic is Vanny, assuming that the Gregory is a robot theory is true, it would explain why your vision goes weird when near Vanny, it's the Mimic's EMP-like ability. If you're reading this, you're probably thinking that this is disproved by the "Save Vanny" ending, but if you remember properly, Vannessa ordered realistic human masks, and if Gregory is the same kid in GGY, that means he broke out of Afton's control. If Gregory can do that, who says Vannessa can't. This also explains why there's no blood splatter in the ending where Gregory tells the robots to disassemble Vanny.
This theory actually sets up the new timeline. Timeline one, Henry v Afton, ended with Pizzaria Sim. Timeline two, Gregory (so far) v Afton Fan Club, starts with Security Breach. This fixes the biggest issue people have with Security Breach's story, that if Burntrap WAS Afton, then Henry's sacrifice meant nothing. The Aftons and Emilys are all gone now, and new characters are taking the stage, letting the franchise move on. It took a while, but is seems this new story has found something resembling a foothold
>that if Burntrap WAS Afton, then Henry's sacrifice meant nothing. It wasnt for nothing, Henry probably died at least :V Plus even with Mimic as Burntrap, Afton IS still Alive... And Michael, and possibly the MCI kids.
Hey man. I don’t always watch your stuff but I’ve recently been on a binge watching a bunch of fnaf stuff and I feel like you’re one of the quintessential fnaf theorists in the community at this point. at least the recommended page seems to think so. Keep up the great stuff man I’m really enjoying it :)
I THINK YOU'RE DEFINITELY ONTO SOMETHING. In the DLC trailer we know that Gregory wants Cassy to save him. The Mimic as you said can mimic people's voices through walky talkies, I think that's exactly what he's doing with Gregory's voice, to lure Cassy into the Pizza Plex. The parallel to what happens in that book is insane.
See you say that, but we have reason to believe that the mimic was planned since at least 2019 if not earlier, so I think it's just a matter of the fact that they didn't put as many hints as our necessary into the game
I really enjoy this new mimic character. My main problem with Afton being the main bad in SB was that it undoes the perfect ending we had in FNaF 6. Now it's still possible for FNaF 6 to happen + UCN to still be ongoing and for SB to happen. I think this is a really good expansion on the "I always come back" Afton trope. It's not that he's actually come back but his actions still have lasting ramifications to this day, which I think is a much more compelling story. Btw love your vids ryetoast you're quickly becoming my favorite FNaF TH-camr. You deserve much more recognition!!!!
Thank you Rye for explaining what exactly the Mimic is! Because to tell you the truth i was a bit confused on what it even was. And as you said that this seems like it helps answer some questions about Security Breach. Also if Burntrap is the in-game version of the Mimic I could possibly see how its its own entity and not just William coming back for the hundredth time. And the Mimic being something made by Henry, then getting destroyed after his daughter's death could be why its violent. Hopefully this doesn't make the FNAF story even more complicated than it already is haha. Have a good day Rye and see you for the stream later tonight.
Now it’s been a long Ass-time since I read the Silver Eyes, but I remember a part where Henry was designing and working on an endo directly in front of Charlie, which had silvery eyes. This could totally be him working on the mimic, which is described as having white eyes.
Dude, this was a seriously good video. I almost dropped my cup when you cut to GlitchTrap slowly saying, "Hello, can you hear me?" You've got me convinced!
I honestly really like the concept of The Mimic, and I feel like its a WAY better villain for the franchise than just William Afton coming back for the 5th time.
man i love this! i was typing up a video essay and you stole the words out my mouth lmao! except for me i don't think it has anything to do with Henry and Charlie! but hey! everyone has their own theories! So, I respect yours and I like it!
I believe this alludes more to the multple mimics existing being the reason why some animatronics behave the way they do. There's the original spirits but some other animatronics have no reason to attack children, except if they were mimics, imitating what they saw in the security guard (Afton) when he came and killed some children. This would also explain the toy animatronics. I'm not a theory crafter but this sounds like it explains a lot of robotic shenenigans on some animatronics
One thing I never hear mention about the mimic is that how it can mind control people, I think it's because of the agony inside of it that gives the mimic the ability to mind control.
I do like the idea of william afton technically not getting out of purgatory; jt does seem fitting But still i feel we are missing that one big thing that solidifies the mimic is in the game and it is burntrap. Maybe ruin will give that to us
This was a good theory but it feels like once you tried using in game stuff as evidence you reached like game theory levels of speculation, “you see, these lights look weird and if you assume red lights are dots and no light is a blank and everything else is a dash the pattern of lights in this random room says A and I, coincidence, I THINK NOT!”
One thing that should be taken note of is the fact that in the character encyclopedia I believe burntraps name is stated as being not canon. Which would help explain this if it’s actually the mimic.
I love this version of events. The mimic is such a cool villain in this interpretation, its more obvious this way that the real William Afton is still in UCN (or Hell, if Cassidy or whoever leaves him to burn on his own like OMC suggested), it explains the tapes, it makes everything after fnaf 6 the companies fault for making a game based on such tragic events (wheras if Glitchtrap was William, the blatant disrespect to the dead displayed would not change his behaviour for the worse at all, which while fine, isn't as poetic or narratively satisfying to me), infact, it means no one who we thought was gone for good necessarily did actually come back, the idea of a creature that is corrupted by Aftons agony but has programming left over mimicking Charlie is a really cool concept, it explains Burntraps boss fight being so underwhelming, it fits with the themes of the franchise and it explains a bunch more stuff too. My only issue is that, if Henry made it, why didn't he put it in the fnaf 6 building with everything else just to be safe? Sure, he thought it was deactivated, and it wasn't haunted, but it seems like the safest option to me. Then again he likely didn't like thinking about it after what happened, and it had been 50 years since he broke it. Also perhaps, given it wasn't a threat that he was aware was still active in any capacity, that he last saw 50 years ago and avoided thinking about during that time, he had just forgotten about it? Idk.
Burntrap was probably originally possessed by Afton but they retconned it because the fanbase was so mad about Afton returning for the millionth time lol
Ngl, the entire idea behind the mimic is pretty neat and does line up so a theory I had during one of the streams: We know agony can infect inanimate objects and turn them living, to which I claimed it could be possible Afton DID die in the fnaf 3 fire and that scrap trap was springbonnie’s endoskeleton taking the identity of afton and putting on a classic ‘villian’ manner of speaking; but now that we have burntrap who somehow has flesh again, it could be possible that instead of afton outright coming back from a computer virus to organic person again; (depending on what point in time the mimics could exist in the timeline) that a mimic could of witnessed post fnaf3 springtrap committing a murder and then not only replicating that behavior but also the appearance of springtrap, with a partially reconstructed exoskeleton and some random joe to fill in for afton’s corpse with glitchtrap/afton simply infecting and overriding the mimic of himself.
Inb4 Scott, in his "genius way", starts dropping the hints that the "man" behind the slaughter was mimic all along and that William only killed Henry's daughter while other kills were by mimic who mimicked him and set him up just like how William set up Henry or some bs and he starts excusing all the retcons, all the inconsistencies by "cuz that was/wasn't mimic!"
I feel like there's a chance that William could be the one who made the mimic in the games. Its already known that he didn't spend much time with his children, making fredbear plushes to talk to his kids while working, so who says he wouldn't create a half of an animatronic to be his kid's friend. Then, when his youngest kid dies, he takes his anger out on the mimic.
Have we considered that, like evangellion, there's no great secret to FNAF? The creator just threw a bunch of random spooky stuff into a pot. His fans then began building theories and lore out of it.
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00:00 Preheating
01:01 So what is the Mimic?
05:39 Morgan and Morgan Ad
07:21 What has the Mimic been up to?
10:10 Do we have evidence of the Mimic inside of Security Breach?
15:16 Who made the mimic in the FNAF games?
17:20 How does the Mimic change the FNAF Timeline?
21:18 Who wrote the poem in the Sister Location room in Security Breach?
22:56 Letting it cool
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question, what do you think of the possibility that the mimic learned from aften when the crying child died? You are the second person to say henry but it screams afton to me
pls help i got my frontal lobe eaten by freddy fazbear
I originally planned on waiting for the book series to wrap before buying them but after this video I have to get them now haha
I think the reason RyeToast doesn't file a claim with Morgan & Morgan for being trapped is because he'd be suing himself. :)
The Mimic1 program being Glitchtrap also does a fantastic job of clearing up the character of Tape Girl. Up to this point, she's been kind of weird. We had the impression that she detected the virus, took some steps to destroy it, but then became corrupted and ended up laying a trap for the next tester instead. But that leaves a lot of problems. Where did she go? If she was possessed, she should have been Vanny instead of Vanessa, but she wasn't. She apparently just up and disappeared after setting the trap, possessed enough to set this up, but not enough to do anything else.
But this fixes all that. Tape Girl detected the problem, took steps to quarantine it, and left a warning for future testers about it, then quit and went on her way, thinking her job was done. But this taught the Mimic1 program how to create and hide tapes in the virtual environment, so it made the later ones that set up the trap, allowing it to finally succeed on its third try. We know it can perfectly imitate voices.
Which is weirdly enough what I initially assumed to be the case until Security Breach introduced the whole mess of Vanny and/or Vanessa.
If I'm not mistaken, she introduces herself twice as well. I always thought that had to do with Glitchtrap possessing her, but he was just mimicking her. I feel like this new villain could be really cool, if done correctly!
Actually, I have a headcanon that Vanessa (I don’t believe she’s Vanny, btw-) is Tape Girl.
This is because in one of the retro CDs, she says this weird line, “I have compartmentalized him! He’s locked away.”
I assumed she was referring to Glitchtrap/Malhare and how she “locked him” away; in one of the TG’s logs, she mentions how she broke the files into pieces, along with the “anomaly” that attached itself to them. Then, after leaving a warning, she resigns from the project and moves into the IT department.
Not to mention, I listened to both of their voicelines, and they sound kinda similar.
Ruin kind of undoes that though. Glitchtrap helpy and Gregory mimic argue over who helps Cassie more, for instance. And what about the murder depictions in help wanted? Those weren't originally in the game, they're implied to be a direct result of glitchtrap, but rye also says that's what teaches the mimic? I don't buy it personally, glitchtrap is Afton, mimic is burntrap imo
Matpat has got to be absolutely **slamming** his head into his desk
Yes!! He just finished his timeline and now the Mimic is a thing😂😂😂😂😂
Honestly, I feel he tries a bit too hard, WAY before we have enough info to go off of.
@@TyshaggyGamingwell nothing was really happening with the lore until now so it was prime time to make a timeline
@QUBI-QUBED he definitely should have just waited for the pizza plex and the ruin dlcs to finish. But tbh by that point who knows what else will be announced
@@justinhigginbottom8668 Honestly would have been better than his borderline FanFiction. I had to stop taking him seriously. I really think him and the other big theorists are thinking to deep for a game built on bait.
Do you ever feel that the lore of fnaf is actually a lot simpler than we make it to be
This new info makes me think that. But to be fair, it was simple info that we simply had no hints towards. So I don't really blame the community
My thoughts exactly!
@@RyeToast actually was, but nobody knows or understand
@@RyeToast I dunno if it's you or this other FNAF theorist that mentions this, but I do agree that it've been best if the Tales of the Pizzaplex books were released during SB's development and delays.
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19:37 This immediately reminded me of how, ages ago, Matpat theorized that there were two sets of tapes in FNAF VR; one that tape girl uses to try and warn the player about Glitchtrap, and another that contradict those, like Glitchtrap may have taken over tape girl and remade the tapes so the player would unknowingly free him
Turns out, he might have been right after all-
Just not in the exact way he thought
@@TheGamingShadowCat exactly!
If Burntrap is the Mimic, it explains how Burntrap's endoskeleton has parts that aren't from Springtrap.
Yup!
@@RyeToast the visible Endo parts on burntrap look AWFULLY similar to the Mimic’s parts to be honest.
But since Burntrap is just the mimic, what happened to Bonnie?
@@Sekijira-AnimsThe Mimic probably used his parts for the almost completely destroyed Afton suit
@@Sekijira-Anims the mimic was programmed to deconstruct endo skeletons right, so maybe it came across bonnie and the program did its thing.
@@whitefang1657 that makes sense.
My favorite thing about this is that it restores Henry's "Don't keep the devil waiting, old friend" speech to being meaningful again. I was so annoyed by the idea that Afton could somehow come back after that truly incredible ending, and "Burntrap" and "Glitchtrap" just being a wild AI that is 'rehashing' Afton's greatest hits but also spiraling into being a bigger threat than he ever was is an excellent way to bring things back onto a track that can move forward.
I agree. William needs to stay dead. That “digital consciousness via circuitboards allowed him to come back to life” thing was reeeealllly pushing it. Unchecked/unmanaged AI learning from him and repeating his actions feels like a much better way to keep his legacy going while also letting Henry have his victory and ending William’s story completely. This is just an AI that was fed True Crime podcasts until it thinks it’s a serial killer, not the rereREturn of a super dead guy via.. Scanning a haunted motherboard and using a VR game to hijack a playtester’s mind and then, somehow, be reanimated into the same body that is stuck inside an older-than-dirt animatronic bunny suit that Henry reduced to ash who knows how many years ago. Janky AI > William the Undying ALL. THE. WAY.
And I personally love that this seems to build on the original idea of Glitchtrap being programmed by someone who admired William and wanted to become the next variation of him, literally being an AI built to only do that
i agree
@@finalfroggitapproaches6418 But you know he is still alive, since even UCN show this.
I made a comment about how William pretty much got split into 3. Mind is in Cassidy's purgatory, body is slapped onto Burntraps endoskeleton, and the soul is Glitchtrap who's either possessing and taking over Vanessa to be Vanny or just manipulating her into having an Alter that sometimes comes out
Something that's cool about this Mimic story, too, is that it has some cool symbolism you can play with. Kids themselves are mimics, learning from copying the adults in their lives, especially their parental figures. What if, symbolically, the Mimic's backstory is about the fear of a parent for failing to be a good role model? Or perhaps even the consequences of abuse. You allow your anger to take control, do something horrible--and they learn violence. And the cycle of abuse and pain continues.
Overall the Mimic is more like a sci-fi take on a copycat killer, but the added backstory of him being meant as a companion for a young child really makes it fit into the overall themes is the FNAF story as being a story about the lasting effects of violence and trauma.
what if this is William Afton backstory
like his parents were being bad and aggressive for him so he as an adult became aggressive to children too and started killing them??
@@koxbalon Not too outlandish for him to have had abusive parents, William was likely born in the earlier half of the 1940s(‘40-‘44), thus growing up in a time period when using physical discipline against children was very commonplace.
@@kaiserreichempireofohio834 exactly
@@koxbalon This would also make even more sense because it would explain William's motivation for killing Charlie in the first place. I have always never understood that part of the lore
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This video really turned what I thought was the most boring FNAF game storywise into something actually enthralling. Good job!
I'm glad! Thank you!!
Agreed
Really sad that it took over a year for the story of the game to be interesting in my opinion
@@placeholderdoe That's because everyone fall for the "William Afton is totally the true villain. Henry isn't sus. Scraptrap having none of William's animatronic talents isn't sus." It's a mystery series. They're never this obvious with the killer.
What's funny is that the fnaf6 protagonist plays the arcades has her face reflected on the screen in "Fruity Maze", Susie. The implications of this are pretty huge. One, William actually asked Michael to put HER back together. Not Baby, since we know that Elizabeth was always packed into one completed piece. She didn't need to be put back together. Michael never went to the fnaf6 location after his next mission was to find his father. The fact that Scraptrap lacks William's eyes heavily implies that someone (Michael) has took them before the events of fnaf6, and William's soul (represented by his eyes) has left the body before fnaf6.
This also brings into questioning why Henry was so desperate to kill "the one who witnessed everything". William saved her and fnaf4 provides evidence that Susie could be an Afton because her dog (Mangle) and the fruity maze flowers were painted into a portrait in her room. The book trilogy heavily hints that some of the MCI victims in the trilogy are actually William's bastard children. For example, MICHAEL Brooks is Michael Afton in the games.
William's big secret item in fnaf4, the box, was an atari that could recreate memories of tragic events and create minigames like the ones we see throughout fnaf. If fnaf6 shows us anything, some of WIlliam's games (Midnight Motorist, Fruity Maze, Security Puppet) and entertainment devices (Storyteller) contain secrets he's trying to leak out into the public. Secrets Henry is trying to hide. Why would the supposed MCI killer try to reveal the truth about Freddys as Henry and Fazbears try to bury it?
@@placeholderdoe To drive the point further, we know that Susie will break the Fruity Maze cabinet. After the ending in the third playthrough of Fruity Maze, the arcade game would suddenly be out of order. Susie broke the game in PS after we playtested it.
Something I find interesting is that Burntrap and the Blob’s names were unofficial in the encyclopedia, but Glitchtrap’s was official.
With this new theory, that makes more sense.
@@tinaherr3856 What I’m trying to call out is that if both Glitchtrap and Burntrap are both Mimics, why does Glitchtrap follow the Afton naming convention vs Burntrap who will likely just be renamed to the mimic.
@@SplashCity46because glitchtrap learns from the fnaf games that are recreated in fnaf vr. So he's mimicking Afton whereas the physical mimic isn't
@@SplashCity46 I think there are two possible explanations. One that Glitchtrap is more closely related/mimicking Afton during his murders, with luring in victims and manipulation. Burntrap, on the other hand, is less refined, shifting along and being less direct with attacking, at least when they wake up. They try to hack Freddy, instead of attacking you himself.
The other is that Glitchtrap's name is more literal. He is an unintended product of the vr game, an anomaly, a glitch not intended by the developers. He also traps the player in the endings of Help Wanted. Either through the seal/lock, or on an animitronic on the stage while he dances. And that's not even going into the mind control stuff he does with Jermy, Tape Girl, and Vanessa.
So Glitchtrap is both an unintended product of the game (a "glitch") and is trapping people. Burntrap, on the other hand, isn't so literal in his name. He doesn't burn people (he just get poorly burned himself). He doesn't even trap people. Gregory and Freddy just fall into the basement by themselves. Burntrap doesn't do anything to lure them there, they go their on their own
@@tinaherr3856 I'm still of the opinion that the Pizza Party ending is the one Fazbear Entertainment intended, as no matter how many tapes you have, the yellow Bonnie costume appears in full form and is fluidly animated, as opposed to the twitchy and ghostly Glitchtrap/Malhare. This leads me to the idea that Glitchtrap is copying the model of the Pizza Party ending's William stand-in as its own avatar, instead of creating the model from scratch. If the Mimic1 theory is correct, this would somewhat make sense, as it is mimicking the appearance and behavior of something that is already present in the game.
I think the mimic repeating William’s action is, in a way, William achieving immortality. Even after he’s been dead for years, his actions are still occurring in his body with parts of his soul and agony. I like that.
I agree. It's Afton both winning and losing, which, in my opinion, is done amazingly if this theory is true. Burntrap no longer takes away from Henry's ending, which was one of the biggest complaints. Henry still won, because his goal was to set the children free and save his daughter. William may have achieved his goal in some way, but even if he could know that, I'm sure he's too busy being tortured to care. William got his comeuppance. William truly does always come back, now it's just in a different way! I love that so much. I really hope this theory is true!
@@xboyscreator5939 It's just the old side-effects showing up again. Which is how it should have been in the first place.
The introduction of Mimic recall a good metaphor:
William life may end but his action will always remain.
I guess in the end, William Afton won, though he will never know it.
I hope that if the mimic is burntrap, they change his design to make him less springtrap and more obviously a new character in ruin.
Fingers crossed after the Afton ending fire that's what he'll look like!
A dumb thought popped into my head recently regarding Burntrap. That being, if it is indeed a Mimic endoskeleton, that it found the remains of William's corpse in the FNAF 6 Pizza Place and decided "This is mine now" and started wearing it like it was another mascot costume.
honestly I think that is exactly what happened lol
So we got an endo shoving itself into the leftovers of the corpse of a serial killer who had been wearing an animatronic suit that iron maidened him.
So Afton got stuffed in two senses. Inside and out. Can't say he didn't deserve it. Irony at its finest.
@@verdantmistral442 Pretty much. Man's becoming a turducken of metal and pain lmao
The body in burntrap is of a random person
what other costume could he take?
scrapbaby is too big
molten freddy is unwearable
only other costume he could use was lefty
but it decided to take scraptrap
The more I hear about the Mimic...the more I'm starting to like it, now! I still miss Afton's Willie, but the Mimic is certainly interesting. Anyway, he's William Afton 2.0!
Not Afton's Willie 💀 and yeah! The mimic seems like a fresh direction
Afton's Willie 💀
aftons WHAT
Lmaoo don't say his name that way
@@lolbitmanss_ That's what she said
My man Edwin really made an animatronic that is capable of mimicking anything to the point that it becomes homicidal. You need some safety measures on that, bud!
For real! NO safeguards???
@@RyeToast he just didn't think too far ahead, nobody ever thinks that far ahead
@@SillySunnyTacos I disagree
@@piglin469 prove me wrong then
THIS is why we listen to Asimov
I think it’s a retcon, but a very welcomed retcon. The original game very clearly implied Henry’s plans at the end of Fnaf 6 failed with Afton and Molten Freddy being there but it feels like they heard everyone hate that and are retconning to make the plot more agreeable (even if it’s significantly more convoluted)
The Blob and Molten Freddy aren't the same though.
The books were already written in 2019 before sb even came out so its not a recon and the epilogue in first story features mimic
@@freddyfrostbear1765 It very much seemed like Burntrap had survived the fire in Fnaf 6, despite supposedly having died with all of the other animatronics during that ending. People did not like this, because they felt like Burntrap had died in 6 and Afton was being eternally tormented in Ultimate Custom Night. The 'retcon' would be taking the established Mimic character from the written in 2019 books, and saying that it's actually the Mimic just pretending to be Burntrap to step around the massive landmine they had created in SB.
@@freddyfrostbear1765they still took a while after the game released to start releasing the books, so even if they were just made to fill plotholes left in the game, that task became much larger than what scott had probably originally intended. I’m not much of a fan of the mimic because there’s really not much in game proof of it, even if the books were written at the same time as game development
@@freddyfrostbear1765 That's... not true.
According to wikis (which I have no clue where the information comes from) the TFTPP series was "revealed" in October 2021 and the first book released in Jul 2022.
Since I don't know if "reveal" means that they simply announced the project before they started/were in early stages, or if they announced the books themselves as if they're near the end of the creative pipeline, I can't really put a real time behind how long it took to write them or when they started.
Even so, I find it extremely unlikely that they were writing the books at least two years prior to their announcement, hell even either before or alongside Help Wanted's release.
On top of that not even releasing the first book until a little less than a year later than that.
Through pure assumptions I'd suggest that AT BEST they started writing the books in late 2021. Likely as a reaction to the fact that they're about to mangle the story in its last minute rework due to the deadline.
That's why they confirmed it by October 2021 but still took 9 months to release the first book and strategically spaced out the releases of books by months to continue working on them while they're actively being released.
Best case scenario the books, and by extension the mimic, were starting to be written in sometime around June 2021 at the earliest. 6th months before SB's release.
But considering the 9 month gap between the announcement of the series and the release of the first book I would assume that the book series was conceptualized closer to October 2021, somewhere between June and September 2021, but hadn't begun writing until their announcement in October 2021...
Conveniently two weeks before SB's last trailer and release date confirmation where it's revealed the game took a severe gameplay AND story shift within the last ~5 months.
Almost as if in preparation for the eventual backlash and trashstorm the "finished" SB story ended up with.
It is very much a retcon. The entire game and story looked different in a trailer released 8 months before the book series was confirmed to be made in comparison to the last trailer it got two weeks after the book series confirmation.
If Glitchtrap is the mimic, that means that since help wanted we have been facing a brand new arc, William is gone for good, and we are in a new chapter in fnaf’s story
And it’s trash bring back William
I don‘t know why but RyeToasts fnaf videos are the best to do chores to. I‘m not even really in the fandom but when I want something that isn‘t music to play in the background, they are a great comfort. And this timing is perfect too, because I have a lot of dishes to catch up on haha
I'll take it! At least I know you'll be there when I don't cover FNAF stuff lol
can confirm, im doing yardwork listening to them 😭
for real, cleaning right now
The mimic is fascinating. I definitely like it much better than "Somehow, William returned." And better than the "William was kept alive to be tortured, exploded into a bunch of goo, then became a massive trash rabbit."
It's an AI that accidentally got taught to be violent and murderous. Then it learns all about the evil things William did and begins to mimic that. This is the idea I hoped we were getting when HW first came out.
>"Somehow, William returned."
Will note...
This is less "oops he's back" and more "Henry is a fucking moron who didnt get the hint his plan was already on thin ice/didnt get the memo from FNAF 3" :V
Especially with Cassidy keeping him alive as well.
LMAO I made the same joke!😂😂😂😂
SOMEHOW Palpatine Return
@@higueraft571 Honestly, I think people get too hung up about the fire and forget that Henry also made sure everyone was in a underground lair made to heat up quickly and retain that heat. Unlike Fazbear's Fright which was on the surface so when it crumbled it exposed the outside and the building wasn't made to burn so it probably didn't heat up fast enough or long enough to affect William.
This is by far the best approach to the mimic imo, excellent theory
I'm glad you think so!
I agree
This is a good theory, but I do have my doubts about this mimic thing being canon. Wasn't it stated by Scott himself that the books aren't connected to the games?
@@AnonymousLess25 he said the books aren't canon to the games, but lots of lore has been put in the books since the start. It's confusing and messy, but that's kind of how the lore discovery has been since the start
The only thing i would bring into question is the actions of Henry. Sure he might have gone postal on the animatronic but i think henry knows better than anyone the potential of his creation. Its more likely the influence of aftons actions that make it violent
That's totally possible! Also, I've never heard the term going postal before, I love that lol
@@RyeToast it comes from the poor conditions of post office workers leading to them committing acts of public violence. Hence the term "going postal".
@@RyeToast It comes from the hit game series Postal
We can talk about RyeToast's remarkable theories till the end of time, but have we ever talked about his remarkable hair?
the cleanliness and length would have made me 3 years ago very jealous.
seriously her hair always looks so fire
Well thank you! It took a long time to get here. I had a bowl cut for the first like 14 years of my life. Then I just stopped cutting it. 3 years later it got to a very nice comfortable length, and I've just kept it at that length ever since
@@flursky her?
@@Nomouse4486 I believe Rye uses all pronouns
My issue with the Mimic being an impersonation of William, is it takes away the Supernatural element of Fnaf, as your just going against an ai rather than ghost. Its more frightening that a dead corspe trapped in an Animatronic suit than an ai. It takes that paranormal aspect away
That's the unfortunate truth we have to accept. This series has become more and more sci-fi when Sister Location came out. Scott said before in interviews that he has to keep reminding himself not to make the series sci-fi, but he eventually gave in around Silver Eyes - Sister Location's time. I remember that interview distinctly, which explains why Fnaf's story is the way it is.
Stuff like robot kids and illusion disc are ideas the majority of the fandom hate and disregard, but in my opinion, that's pretty close minded to not put those ideas into consideration just because they don't like it, especially with this new direction Fnaf has taken after Fnaf 4.
You got SL to thank for that one. Game started this franchise’s downfall hard…
Are you people dummies? You know he is powered by Edwins agony right?
@@xdman0289 Are you people dummies? You know he is powered by Edwins agony right?
@@OutOfNameIdeas819 Are you people dummies? You know he is powered by Edwins agony right?
This is also very interesting because we KNOW Henry has built at least one animatronic specifically for Charlie, Security Puppet's whole role was to protect her.
and lefty to keep charie burning
@@Shadow30. LEFTE is a special case and doesn't really fit as something made for her, but it is definitely still fits the idea.
To add to what you mentioned about the wall code possibly being from Henry, what if those words of encouragement are for what's left of Charlie in the mimic? "Cry not, try not, do not hold out hope." Sounds like he's reassuring her that even if she fails, she shouldn't weep over this failure again, as she did with the missing children just like the tears on the Puppet's mask. "No, your life, your aim will save those with soul." Sounds to me like Henry knows she's STILL there even after the FNAF 6 fire and because he knows she's not content to disappear while there's still people to save, even if the best she can do is try, her efforts will save those she's still trying to protect. Dead or alive, as long as they have soul, they're on Charlie's list to protect.
The Mimic is so cool. I had a feeling that Glitchtrap and Burntrap weren't William for a while but I wasn't 100% sure if that was really the case. I didn't think it was going to be an A.I. but I'm so glad it is. It allows William to still be dead but his influence lives on without him.
I'm still 100% convinced that they were originally supposed to be, but after seeing how bored people were of Afton still being here after the ending of Pizzeria Sim, the producers tried to change it to something a little more unique...granted, it's definitely a welcome change!
@@damienearl8302 that’s possible but personally I doubt it. There are a lot of small hints in the games to the Mimic and these books are usually written at least several months before they are put on the shelves. But it’s interesting either way.
@@ivebenhere1843 Hm...I didn't actually think about the time it probably took between conceptualizing the books and publishing them
But as you said, it's definitely interesting either way!
Fnaf lore is literally why 70% theorists exist.
I mean lol yeah
Sad but true
Fnaf games: simple.
Fnaf lore: an actual dictionary
True
This makes the 'return of springtrap' so much more enjoyable and compelling. Henry did succeed in releasing everyone he just didnt expect his past to still haunt him.
I for one no longer hate burntraps presence
Honestly, i still dont quite like it...
Since clearly 6 and UCN were setting it up for Henry's plan to (as both the blueprints and FNAF 3's existence hint) fail catastrophically.
The man's Grand Plan is to suicide with the Haunted Undead Animatronics.
At LEAST one that's survived a fire already and walked out just fine :V
@Higuera ft yeah, i totally get where you're coming from
Im just a sucker for an emotional speech
I would like to say, Edwin getting trapped in the Storyteller and ripping off the Tiger Rock mask parallels what happened with Henry and William. Henry and William get locked in a place, and Henry attempts to kill William, but Glitchtrap remains. Just another thing that hints towards Edwin being a stand in for Henry
No. I feel that Edwin will most likely be William Afton because he's the talented man in the games that loses his company (Afton's Robotics) to Henry (Fazbears), the CC resembles David, and William Afton actually has vanished and reappeared at various times in fnaflore. For example, William is actually walking around under his "Dave" alias in Fnaf SB.
But I massively prefer Edwin being his own character with the Mimic being this tragic "twin son". It actually seems more fitting for Edwin to be "Book Henry" and deal with the consequences of granting this once soulless being a life it never asked for. And the abandonment and hatred that scarred the Mimic.
No. No it doesn't. He just dies there, Burrows dies there. It doesn't make sense, it doesn't parallel anyone, it's an original story set in a game universe.
@@LeHamlinHow You did watch the video right? I’m just adding on to a point Mr Toast made. If you disagree, then take it up with him
Can't wait to see MatPat turn this into two hour long videos.
I’ve got two big problems with the mimic. My first, is that if Edwin and his family doesn’t exist in game, how is the mimic traumatized in the game canon? Who even made the mimic in the first place?? And if Edwin is canon, why are there so many characters filling the same story role? My second is that having the mimic is, personally, as unsatisfying as having it be Afton again, because they’re practically a random character. It makes it feel very out of left field. Great video though! Always love a new toasty slice of bread
Think! And two address the points, it would be Henry if Edwin isn't Canon, at a completely new character if he is
@@RyeToast Henry creating a robot to mimic sounds so unlike him.
@@abitofjoyandsorrow For game Henry, maybe, but book Henry does this in the novels with Charlie. So it isn't far fetch to think game Henry would do the same, since FFPS makes it clear he's really good at making advanced robots.
For room lighting, most people have a warm color on one side and a cool color on the other to make you stand out.
I tried but it just doesn't look right. I might need a better camera
@@RyeToast I don't know what camera you use, but I know a lot of other creators use a dsl camera and record it via an elgato input source in obs.
THAT'S A REALLY GOOD ONE! That theory really puts everything together really well, PLUS 17:30, there was a similar thing to this idea in Novel trilogy, where there was an endo (in graphic novels it was shown without legs, only upper body, another clue), that sat in Henry's workshop, just observing everything and twitching in pain from time to time, one that felt Henry's pain, when he didn't finish it and left. Now I actually feel more confident about Glitchtrap being fully mimic... Dam, quite a view changing video!
OH, also about eyes being white at first and then black, maybe it's just casing fell apart, we see similar structure for eyes in other animatronics, Glamrock Endos, Scrap Baby, not literally eyes go black, because of the shape
This is an interesting take on the new lore coming out. IMO this does not exonerate the top management of Fazbear Entertainment from all wrongdoing and there's a very good chance they created the Mimic in this way in the hopes it could uncover some of William's secrets, which they could then use for themselves for their own longevity and soul based experiments. Maybe even experiments on how to use souls to create more realistic AIs.
I like this theory, an AI gone rogue due to the actions of its creator, a clean slate tainted by trauma, I find it really compelling.
I think this is a good lore explanation for how the rockstar animatronics actually work as well, I think it makes sense for them to be some sort of modernized version of the mimic's AI with pre-programmed personalities to fit the characters, but is still learning like the original mimic, hence how they can appear so alive.
You're right. It doesn't make sense for them to program insecurities like the ones Roxy has, or the gluttonous nature Chica has, what if they saw those actions and learnt it from kids and adults and that their normal personality is the parts relating to their activities, Roxy being a competitive racer, chica being a person who exercise a lot , etc.
Ot explains why their are so human, and childish and immature at times. They literally spend all day with kids, so they kind of act like it.
@@halinaqi2194 Wow that's a great rationalization I didn't consider, but makes perfect sense!
Gotta love barnes and nobles early releases😅
Fr lmao
One thing William Afton always said was, "I always come back." He may not have come back himself, but his actions and dark desire continue through these mimics
Just getting into the video, but i do have a bit of AV help with the lighting. Theres a couple of things depending on what types of lights those are.
A) you need to back them up and/or angle them away from the wall more. You can mount them with spacers so they stand an inch or two away and from a flat camera angle you wouldnt be able to tell.
B) you might want to look into diffusion gels. It might just be a function of the types of bulbs and/or lense. What you really want is a soft box, but that isnt super feasible with the fixture on screen like this. Diffusion gels or bulbs with frosted glass would be the next best thing. Also might need to be paired with higher intensity bulbs/fixtures to compensate.
Thank you! I'll look into those!
This is such a unique way to reboot fnaf! This allows the past timeline to close, and start a new fresh timeline
something i love about your channel is how you always warm me up to what’s currently going on in the series. sometimes i miss classic fnaf since i’ve been here since the beginning, and security breach has made me feel so iffy the entire time but your videos always make me feel better about the direction of the series. the idea of the mimic is so topical honestly
I absolutely KNEW that glitchtrap could not have been Afton and I'm so glad I was right. It had to be some sort of recreation, at first I thought they had scanned VHS tapes William had of his family, his work, everything, and that the virus latched onto that and took William's identity as its own, as a shapeless digital entity. It was just continuing what it learned, and the mimic makes my idea work so much better and I'm so glad this is the direction that's being taken by Steel Wool.
Just imagine burn trap’s corpse is actually simply a more recent victim. William’s corpse is not surviving to Security Breach’s time period.
>William’s corpse is not surviving to Security Breach’s time period.
It survived a springlocking, sitting in a damp dark room for 30 years, at LEAST one fire, then almost certainly a second fire.
I think 10 years isnt too long...
Ok I’ve got a major problem with this theory. When the mimic is transferred into VR, it’s only 2 previous things it mimicked would have been Charlie and Henry, specifically, Henry’s moment of pure anger, rage, and blind violence. In VR, there’s mentions of things like child murder and stuff, but the mimic isn’t mentioned to copy things it hears about, only things it sees. There are only 2 places to get behaviors form in the game: a strong desire for survival, from the players playing, and senseless murder from the animatronics. There’s no context for any of what’s happening for it to glean a more sadistic, calculated and efficient approach to murder, just more senseless violence. It’s have no reason to take the form of glitchtrap. Springtrap doesn’t have any context within the bounds of VR, it’s just another animatronic, and even if it decided to take the form of Springtrap, it would be an exact copy, because the mimic perfectly mimics what it sees, and there’s no other character that looks anything like glitchtrap, and even if I did look past all that, when it gets out, it has no good reason to make the pizzaplex, and also where does it get the power to hypnotize/take over people from??? This just doesn’t make any sense.
I would also like to add the idea that the mimic program was within the original Endo skeletons before they were over, written, partially by the spirits of the dead children.
I keep hearing people talk about the Mimic but didn't know what they were talking about so this is helpful! Also, I think the FNF death sound when the Mimic kills the second group is perfect.
Is Fnaf was way simpler than we thought, it was or maybe because of the MANY, MANY retcons
call the retcons please
Absolutely love how the background looks with these new fancy lights!
I'm glad!
As soon as I got through The Mimic story I instantly thought it was meant to parallel Henry! Finally someone brought it up. There’s even some other things that stood out to me, such as if Henry is the one burning down the restaurants and not Mike, the story has him ‘tampering with animatronics’ daily when he changes the mimics programming every day. One line that stood out to me as odd but important was David saying to his dad how ‘he stinks’ after working on the animatronic all night - ‘odour’??? More evidence of Henry’s involvement maybe?
Also he has an only child who dies, by a car accident. Henry has only child who dies and whilst not getting hit by car, the car is very important in her death scene as Willy races away afterwards.
It also seems to indicate that Henry disappeared from the company after his grief but that years later he returns and sees the horrors resurfacing from his days. I think this makes sense as him rejoining the company much later realising it’s not over yet.
I also think that epilogue 6 with the mimic copying voices and pretending to be someone needing help is important - whether it was relating to the tapes in VR where it develops the tapes stating that they all need to be found contrary to previous tapes, or whether it relates to Gregory in ruin asking for help… not fully decided on all of it yet but it opens a lot of possibilities
Only thing i know about light is that lowering exposure helps with the weird light blur
No I lowered exposure so far that it got grainy and those bars were still there for some reason lmao. According to Dan, I might just need a better camera, which to be fair, I still use a webcam lol
Also another issue with the Mimic is that through this theory it would seem the Mimic is behind everything thats behind Security Breach. The problem with that though, is why would it Mimic the victims of William, if William is who its trying, to Mimic, and what about the Blob, if that is also, the Mimics doing, then why would the Blob attack Burntrap. The issue with making the Mimic the main villain, it it shys away from the Supernatural roots the franchise was formed on, as well as it, doesnt leave room to expand upon remnant and agony, when dealing with ais, as why would a computer program need remnant to stay alive, when its just a program, that would mean, it would be killing for the sake of it rather than to harness life.
Also, there is so much evidence pointing to Cassidy being in princess quest, and Michael still being around somewhere. I like to believe that some of the horrors of Freddys past, did not die so easily rather than just righting it off as an ai that mimics everything, being the culprit. It creates a similar scenario to dream theory, where its an interesting concept, but isn't satisfying narratively.
The Mimic being burntrap makes no sense , they look nothing alike, yes typical bunny years skeleton but they look too different plus there is another theory that Bonnie’s endoskeleton was used for burntraps revival, sure the mimic could have possibly been used as parts for burntrap but burntrap very well knows who he is , he has the powers, probably the memory of Afton and is afton because another issue is the fact that burntrap has fully grown teeth and has more flesh somehow then the original spring trap which can only be explained by regeneration being that Williams soul is still in there with remnant making him regenerate to some extent while also having the ability to hack anything from glitch trap, the mimic is not Afton
@@promo2099
"The Mimic being burntrap makes no sense , they look nothing alike, yes typical bunny years skeleton but they look too different"
as if the mimic can't change it's shape (or replace parts), besides, burntrap's model is pretty much an asset flip design, so really, the differences in design hardly hold
"burntrap very well knows who he is , he has the powers, probably the memory of Afton and is afton"
or it's simply the mimic having the memory of afton through glitchtrap
"another issue is the fact that burntrap has fully grown teeth and has more flesh somehow then the original spring trap which can only be explained by regeneration being that Williams soul is still in there with remnant making him regenerate to some extent while also having the ability to hack anything from glitch trap"
or the mimic is simply wearing a corpse like it did with kelly's corpse inside the blue dog costume, also, the mimic is said to be able to tamper with electricity like light and radio, essentially, glitchtrap being a part of burntrap gives a point towards it being the mimic even more than afton
"the mimic is not Afton"
no one said he is, it's just that afton is not the mimic
Im so sooo glad you posted a video right now. This is going to help me a lot with calming down
Thank you so so so much for always making amazing content ❤
Thank you for watching! Hope this can help in any way it can. Best of luck to whatever you're going through 💚
@@RyeToast Thank you so much for your kind words, it really means a lot (also your new lighting looks good)
as far as lighting goes it looks really good! i suggest either a slightly stronger light from the front at you specifically, or a slightly lighter shade of purple for the colors. rn it’s feels just a tad bit too dark (but only just a tad
I like this one. Especially because I think it fits into the "schematics" clue.
Right???
"Mimic Sweep" is unironically the best way to describe the current state of the FNAF theory community
I remember you mentioning this in the Cybert Channel TTRPG stream last night. Can't wait to see what happens!
Glad to see you! Enjoy!
@@RyeToast stopping back in after watching, and I definitely think the parallel idea works better than the books being fully in continuity with the games. The continuity is complicated enough without throwing in too many of the books. Also, I hadn’t noticed the words that holo-Glitchtrap said, how they were mimicking Tape Girl! Very cool detail!
I wonder how differently things would've turned out if Edwin had treated Mimic like his son, or if he had hugged instead of beating it.
I think the mimic is just an explination on why the glamrocks have actual personalities and why the endos play red light greenlight, saying its mimicing afton is going way too far imo, as defeating a program instead of an immortal serial killer cyborg is way less interesting.
Very possible!
Yeah, Why would people want things to change in worse? Atleast that’s my perspective. I think that when we already have a villain in the series, replacing him would just be disastrous
That's because the majority of the fanbase is tired of springtrap coming back. We were happy with fnaf 6 as a end to him, by the two living people who he hurt beyond repair and the remaining spirits. We hated him coming BACK in SB because it means all of that was in vain
I'd rather take springtrap coming back a 1000 times than "ChatGTP from wish".
@@Justapikachu577 But UCN already confirmed he was still alive long before SB came into the picture.
very good theory, and props to the guy who had the idea to translate the endos into morse code. personally i believe that the tales are fully canon and that edwin is a real character, however it doesn't change much when we reach similar conclusions about the mimic anyway, however there's something i disagree with, i think that freddy is possessed, there's some evidence for it to be the case and it feels narratively obvious for him to be possessed from the role he has in the story and his relationship with gregory. most people believe michael would be the most likely candidate, i did as well before, but now seeing how every character is actually brand new and not old souls brought back, i tend to believe that micheal is unlikely; i believe that freddy is edwin, who impossessed freddy after the events of the storyteller(before it freddy acted very differently from the game), and is now trying to protect gregory the way he couldn't protect david(they share a similar facial description); another proof for this is the fact that freddy seems to recognize the mimic saying "stop him" and gregory ephazising it directly after with "him?! what is that thing?"
i also believe the the mimic is chose vanessa and gregory as followers becouse they resemble elizabeth and crying child, and is trying to recreat the afton family as part of his mimicing
thanks man. Also your theory about edwin possessing freddy is 100% true. I have never thought about this before and it's kind of a bombshell, everything lines up perfectly. Hope ryetoast sees this comment.
@@1Woofer1 well, i admit it doesn't have much evidence, but if freddy is actually possessed then i think edwin is a potential candidate, some time ago i believed michael was the most likely candidate, but now, seeing how the old characters aren't actually back, i think i'd be weird for michael to come back
@@iranfire9355 personally i think it has more than enough evidence. everything lines up perfectly if edwin possesses freddy
Interestingly you and FuhNaff came up with very similar theories.
Though I, for some reason, find "AI that is basically William but not really" to be even less satisfying narratively than just wiliam being back again, it just feels too silly although I can see how well it fits with all the new information
Yeah, especially since UCN is still canon which is a problem.
Why
@@OutOfNameIdeas819 no
Why
By far the most compelling Mimic theory I've seen. Amazing work Rye!
The new lighting looks great btw. The purple lights look amazing
I'm glad!
17:39 It makes sense that Henry made the mimic to watch over Charlie In the first set of books Charlie mentions that Henry will always make animatronic toys for her. The books never do mention Charlie's mother as well
I really like the Mimic for many reasons, because it also kinda called all of us out. We were all focusing on, oh Afton is back and this and that and what about Gregory and the crying child and all that.
And I think this new story kinda slapped us around the face and told us to look at this story from different lens, which is very fun.
I am of the opinion now that the story of HW and SB is probably on the simpler side of things
The idea that those who fail to recognize their history are bound to repeat it. Fazbear Entertainment came back as a corporate entity when it shouldn't have.
It was greedy, wanting to spark a light of the past to try and establish glory and power. But with said power they also brought back the tragedy and agony of their past, their greed to get things done quick got them in a pickle way worse than they could have EVER imagined.
This is why I believe HW and ESPECIALLY SB are so subtle and yet oddly direct with their parallels. Gregory isnt the crying child, but I believe he is a modern parallel of him. Vannesa isnt Elizabeth, but shes a modern parallel of her.
Mimic isnt Afton but quite literally trying to copy and parallel him.
Fazbear knew their bloody past and yet they chose to ignore it in pursuit of something bigger and grander. And now the figures that have destroyed them once will destroy them again, albeit a different way, unless something is done about it.
I would even go as far as to say that the Mimic's plan is to bring back the past, to recreate it, to make it happen again. Maybe this is why the Ruin girl could be Susie and parallel her. Susie was the first victim of the MCI, and maybe Mimic is trying to copy even the order of events of the past.
That is if nothing stops it.
And Gregory is probably the first major wrench thrown at Mimic, and that to ennact its plan it is gonna be a lot harder than it thinks.
Essentially playing of off the idea of the Mimic trying to play off of the past, but the reality being that the NEW people arent gonna make the mistakes that those that came before them did.
Thats what I think anyway, could be wrong though.
We'll see where the story goes
After seeing this, I came up with a theory of my own, while I'm not sure on Burntrap being the Mimic, I did have a thought, in the Security Breach "Fire" ending, after Vanny is pushed off the roof, Vannessa looks down at the body, what if the Mimic is infected with Glitchtrap and the Mimic is Vanny, assuming that the Gregory is a robot theory is true, it would explain why your vision goes weird when near Vanny, it's the Mimic's EMP-like ability. If you're reading this, you're probably thinking that this is disproved by the "Save Vanny" ending, but if you remember properly, Vannessa ordered realistic human masks, and if Gregory is the same kid in GGY, that means he broke out of Afton's control. If Gregory can do that, who says Vannessa can't. This also explains why there's no blood splatter in the ending where Gregory tells the robots to disassemble Vanny.
This theory actually sets up the new timeline. Timeline one, Henry v Afton, ended with Pizzaria Sim. Timeline two, Gregory (so far) v Afton Fan Club, starts with Security Breach. This fixes the biggest issue people have with Security Breach's story, that if Burntrap WAS Afton, then Henry's sacrifice meant nothing. The Aftons and Emilys are all gone now, and new characters are taking the stage, letting the franchise move on.
It took a while, but is seems this new story has found something resembling a foothold
>that if Burntrap WAS Afton, then Henry's sacrifice meant nothing.
It wasnt for nothing, Henry probably died at least :V
Plus even with Mimic as Burntrap, Afton IS still Alive...
And Michael, and possibly the MCI kids.
Hey man. I don’t always watch your stuff but I’ve recently been on a binge watching a bunch of fnaf stuff and I feel like you’re one of the quintessential fnaf theorists in the community at this point. at least the recommended page seems to think so. Keep up the great stuff man I’m really enjoying it :)
really don't know how u manage to almost never miss with a theory, but this feels like the closest mimic theory to being right so far, so good job :)
I THINK YOU'RE DEFINITELY ONTO SOMETHING. In the DLC trailer we know that Gregory wants Cassy to save him. The Mimic as you said can mimic people's voices through walky talkies, I think that's exactly what he's doing with Gregory's voice, to lure Cassy into the Pizza Plex. The parallel to what happens in that book is insane.
I gotta admit, this feels like Steel Wool trying to tie everything all up after the backlash to SB. I doubt thr Minic was here from launch.
See you say that, but we have reason to believe that the mimic was planned since at least 2019 if not earlier, so I think it's just a matter of the fact that they didn't put as many hints as our necessary into the game
@@RyeToast I don't have Twitter, so I'll take your word on that lol. Sounds like a whole video to make.
And I bet Mat Pat is tearing his hair out now.
I really enjoy this new mimic character. My main problem with Afton being the main bad in SB was that it undoes the perfect ending we had in FNaF 6. Now it's still possible for FNaF 6 to happen + UCN to still be ongoing and for SB to happen. I think this is a really good expansion on the "I always come back" Afton trope. It's not that he's actually come back but his actions still have lasting ramifications to this day, which I think is a much more compelling story.
Btw love your vids ryetoast you're quickly becoming my favorite FNaF TH-camr. You deserve much more recognition!!!!
Out of all the sb theories I love this one. Thou I don't think burnt-trap looks like he's holding a plush.
I get that! There's some people on Twitter who have done mockups of it to help visualize
This also explains the second "introduction" tape in VR because it mimics her voice to get people to put it back together
About the background lights you mentioned, best idea I can think of is to put some sort of diffusion on them (like a silk)
Thank you Rye for explaining what exactly the Mimic is! Because to tell you the truth i was a bit confused on what it even was. And as you said that this seems like it helps answer some questions about Security Breach. Also if Burntrap is the in-game version of the Mimic I could possibly see how its its own entity and not just William coming back for the hundredth time. And the Mimic being something made by Henry, then getting destroyed after his daughter's death could be why its violent. Hopefully this doesn't make the FNAF story even more complicated than it already is haha. Have a good day Rye and see you for the stream later tonight.
Now it’s been a long Ass-time since I read the Silver Eyes, but I remember a part where Henry was designing and working on an endo directly in front of Charlie, which had silvery eyes. This could totally be him working on the mimic, which is described as having white eyes.
Dude, this was a seriously good video. I almost dropped my cup when you cut to GlitchTrap slowly saying, "Hello, can you hear me?"
You've got me convinced!
still wish that this stuff was introduced in the actual GAME so that casual fnaf fans don’t have to spend money and time on the books.
I honestly really like the concept of The Mimic, and I feel like its a WAY better villain for the franchise than just William Afton coming back for the 5th time.
Agreed
man i love this! i was typing up a video essay and you stole the words out my mouth lmao! except for me i don't think it has anything to do with Henry and Charlie! but hey! everyone has their own theories! So, I respect yours and I like it!
That's totally fair! If Edwin is canon to the games then I think the rest of this series stands, just swapping Edwin and David for Henry and Charlie
I believe this alludes more to the multple mimics existing being the reason why some animatronics behave the way they do.
There's the original spirits but some other animatronics have no reason to attack children, except if they were mimics, imitating what they saw in the security guard (Afton) when he came and killed some children.
This would also explain the toy animatronics.
I'm not a theory crafter but this sounds like it explains a lot of robotic shenenigans on some animatronics
One thing I never hear mention about the mimic is that how it can mind control people, I think it's because of the agony inside of it that gives the mimic the ability to mind control.
The beating up of a mimic reminds me of that one leaked scene from the movie where someone is getting beaten up in a fountain.....
I do like the idea of william afton technically not getting out of purgatory; jt does seem fitting
But still i feel we are missing that one big thing that solidifies the mimic is in the game and it is burntrap. Maybe ruin will give that to us
This was a good theory but it feels like once you tried using in game stuff as evidence you reached like game theory levels of speculation, “you see, these lights look weird and if you assume red lights are dots and no light is a blank and everything else is a dash the pattern of lights in this random room says A and I, coincidence, I THINK NOT!”
One thing that should be taken note of is the fact that in the character encyclopedia I believe burntraps name is stated as being not canon. Which would help explain this if it’s actually the mimic.
I love this version of events. The mimic is such a cool villain in this interpretation, its more obvious this way that the real William Afton is still in UCN (or Hell, if Cassidy or whoever leaves him to burn on his own like OMC suggested), it explains the tapes, it makes everything after fnaf 6 the companies fault for making a game based on such tragic events (wheras if Glitchtrap was William, the blatant disrespect to the dead displayed would not change his behaviour for the worse at all, which while fine, isn't as poetic or narratively satisfying to me), infact, it means no one who we thought was gone for good necessarily did actually come back, the idea of a creature that is corrupted by Aftons agony but has programming left over mimicking Charlie is a really cool concept, it explains Burntraps boss fight being so underwhelming, it fits with the themes of the franchise and it explains a bunch more stuff too. My only issue is that, if Henry made it, why didn't he put it in the fnaf 6 building with everything else just to be safe? Sure, he thought it was deactivated, and it wasn't haunted, but it seems like the safest option to me. Then again he likely didn't like thinking about it after what happened, and it had been 50 years since he broke it. Also perhaps, given it wasn't a threat that he was aware was still active in any capacity, that he last saw 50 years ago and avoided thinking about during that time, he had just forgotten about it? Idk.
i completely agree! very very good video i love replaying all your videos when im just doing random tasks to have you in the background 😂
Glad I could help!
@@RyeToast omg!!❤❤❤
Burntrap was probably originally possessed by Afton but they retconned it because the fanbase was so mad about Afton returning for the millionth time lol
New lights look great! Don't really know how to fix the issue tho, maybe try to lower the brightness so the contrast is not that high? Hope it helps.
Ngl, the entire idea behind the mimic is pretty neat and does line up so a theory I had during one of the streams:
We know agony can infect inanimate objects and turn them living, to which I claimed it could be possible Afton DID die in the fnaf 3 fire and that scrap trap was springbonnie’s endoskeleton taking the identity of afton and putting on a classic ‘villian’ manner of speaking; but now that we have burntrap who somehow has flesh again, it could be possible that instead of afton outright coming back from a computer virus to organic person again;
(depending on what point in time the mimics could exist in the timeline) that a mimic could of witnessed post fnaf3 springtrap committing a murder and then not only replicating that behavior but also the appearance of springtrap, with a partially reconstructed exoskeleton and some random joe to fill in for afton’s corpse with glitchtrap/afton simply infecting and overriding the mimic of himself.
Purple light eh. The Toast behind the slaughter
ourple toast
Inb4 Scott, in his "genius way", starts dropping the hints that the "man" behind the slaughter was mimic all along and that William only killed Henry's daughter while other kills were by mimic who mimicked him and set him up just like how William set up Henry or some bs and he starts excusing all the retcons, all the inconsistencies by "cuz that was/wasn't mimic!"
Wow, I like your take and the canon option, great job😎
Thank you!
I feel like there's a chance that William could be the one who made the mimic in the games. Its already known that he didn't spend much time with his children, making fredbear plushes to talk to his kids while working, so who says he wouldn't create a half of an animatronic to be his kid's friend. Then, when his youngest kid dies, he takes his anger out on the mimic.
This theory is, in my opinion, excellent. It actually felt like most of the pieces line up together
Have we considered that, like evangellion, there's no great secret to FNAF? The creator just threw a bunch of random spooky stuff into a pot. His fans then began building theories and lore out of it.
The mimic is in the new DLC. It has Gregory’s voice.
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Matpat, kicking down door: *DID SOMEONE SAY ROBOCHILD?!*