1:19 The problem of Categorization 8:47 The purpose of categorization 11:18 What is mental illness? 18:03 What is mental health? 23:00 Causal factors, right levels of analysis 29:09 An alternative model of psychopathology 34:19 Single mindedness and addiction 40:39 Medieval conceptions of psychopathology 46:56 Self-deception, inauthenticity, repression, ignorance 1:04:16 The relationship between mental illness and the balance of chaos and order 1:09:31 Questions and answers
I've had the same thing occur multiple times. I tend to burst out laughing at myself for having a dearly held belief that Peterson shatters with profundity, and you know he's right. I end up kind of laughing at myself.
Same thing here. I laugh, not because it's funny....but because once stated, it's so obvious...and I've never thought of it on my own. And I never would.
What a find! After listening to him for 1 min I realised I was not prepared to absorb so much meaningful content so eloquently put, so I looked for a book of his. After reading 2 short sentences from his book, I had to think about it for 10 min and had mind blown. What a find!! Thank you!
Mycompany Ech he's probably talking about maps of meaning. It's a very dense tome. His new book "12 rules for life" is very thoughtful too. I'm only about halfway through because I keep stopping just to think and absorb.
Immensly, immensly insightful and valueable. The thus far has been leading up to that moment. I love so much, that he often gives a resolution to the problems he identifies.
With humility I consider myself intelligent however I would give my right arm to be able to coordinate my thought s into speech with such fluidity as Jordan. It is absolutely fascinating to watch.
He put in decades of deep thought and ongoing practice sorting out, formulating, teaching, scrutinizing, applying, expanding and refining his ideas. Just one arm chopped off, even given to the devil, won't buy you that kind of living skill. It's a mastery issue.
Sonja Waringer yea it's like he spent his whole life working through these issues. He put in all the hard work and here is the outcome. Concise and greatly constructed arguments that he's thought through so much to where he has an answer to whatever it may be that one argues. It's admirable. He truly is a great man, and will definitely be one of the greats along with Nietzsche, Sartre and Camus when it comes to existentialism.
"We're not willing to take the ethical bull by the horns... Human health is a matter of moral action." Dr JP is a human language engineer... Putting into words the things that live in our minds.
He’s rambling. He’s basically doing what is essentially pseudo intellectual stream of consciousness which basically amounts to absolutely nothing. Well I think it’s cute is that he seems to almost touch upon some pretty logical parts… Then he will pivot and start the stream of consciousness bullshit all over again. It’s not surprising that this man is mentally unwell. I mean look at him. His shirt is wrinkled his hair is disheveled he’s got the dead look in his eyes he’s constantly gesticulating with his hands while rambling incoherently. And just because he sprinkles some academic jargon and verbosity within his stream of consciousness doesn’t mean that his points are valid or even remotely relevant. Not to mention his arrogance is quite telling. He dismisses things that he doesn’t agree with as “rubbish“ and here’s the thing… He doesn’t prove as to why he views what he doesn’t agree with as “rubbish”. It’s hilarious to me that people actually think he’s an intellectual or even remotely intelligent. I’ve worked in a psych ward. This man would definitely be a patient in a psych ward.
Oh man, I've just watched 'Jordan Peterson: Existentialism | Authenticity' straight to this and it is heavy man; I've never listened so intently in a long, long time, it felt like the whole world fell silent because there were some profound truths being spoken.
I think DrJBPs' speech seems kindof improvised but very articulate, like Hendrixs' guitar playing, and the ability to keep talking/playing continuously while keeping it interesting and various. Philosophically and lyrically I think there are similarities, especially J Hendrixs later songs revolved around themes like communication, humanity, perception, justice, freedom (songs like Freedom and Straight Ahead are good examples.) Musically and tonally, the speech is sophisticated but also expressive and/or excited/exciting and content is covered in an air of humour and humility, willingly vulnerable to being proven wrong or to have another argument/question be heard and given space, just as JHendrixs held-back to let other musicians solo/riff. Being the hendrix of talking complicated based on what level you see Hendrix on, a shallow perspective sees: "a rockstar, virtuoso, turned loose by fame, money, partying and drugs, which took his life in the end" but a more close look at the history and what his views and opinions were and who he had got caught up with shows him to be: "a very kind and polite person who was also very trusting, which got him into situations with ill-intended people who milked his work and probably are the same ones who killed him in his NYC apartment after he went his own way. His last concerts were at Peace Festivals in Hawaii and Western Europe which were attacked by motorbike gangs." There are many differences, huge differences, and the similarities are interesting, but depends what aspect or level of DrJBP and JHendrix
"Harvard psychiatrist Robert Coles went so far as to speculate in 1967 that there would never be an “end to mental illness” due to advances in medical research - because 'mental illness’ (he himself put the words in quotation marks) was 'a social problem involving the family, the nursery, the neighborhood, the nation and its economic or political condition.' To treat the sickness of the individual, psychiatrists had first to concede the sickness in society." -Michael E. Staub, Madness is Civilization: Psyco Politics and Postwar America
yep, the majority hold a corrupt ideology that does nothing to teach them the tools to rational ground their minds to reality objectively or honestly. Sort delusion from reality, sort the subjective from the objective. This is indeed the truth.
I would add that "cluster B" is THE problem of humanity. ALL other so-called 'mental illness' would simply melt away as we would compassionately 'tend to our own'...
Boy just found this and it's made me realise all the stuff Dr Peterson has had to go through has aged him over the last 8 years. I hope everyone who supports him lets him know.
Let him know what? That he's aged? I'm sure he'll value that input. I think he's gotten hotter as he has aged. He looked so boyish in his early videos. But his recent videos he looks like he has come into his manhood. And I personally like a man with strong character. Tammy is one lucky woman!
@@darkmaitri What he's saying is not meant to put him down. No one is saying whether he looks hotter or not. He is saying that he has sacrificed a lot in the past 8 years and it shows in his face. We should be appreciative of his efforts in standing up to the mob and continuing to share his knowledge with us. Stress accelerates aging. And he seems to have aged quite a bit in just 8 years. It's the truth. No need to sugarcoat it. I feel like you are the same person to tell an obese woman that she looks just fine and doesn't need to change her diet or exercise. Or tells a very short guy that he is not disadvantaged when it comes to dating. Lying to people in order to make them feel better, hurts them in the long run.
Yes ... stressors have aged me quickly too. Aging quickly is not about the aesthetic ; one can still be attractive but about the underlying stressors that are physically evident and one commiserates. Dr Peterson is an ongoing marvel continuing to improve countless lives.
That's like saying you feel sorry for the blind people who REFUSE to see colors. We don't choose our filters and biases. Of course you can feel sorry for Jordan's haters, but "REFUSE" might be the wrong way to think about it.
There's a huge number of otherwise very intelligent people who get explosively resentful, envious and jealous of Peterson simply because listening to him opens their eyes to where all and how and why they failed to actualise their own considerable intelligence and knowledge. And thats a hard bitter truth to swallow so its easier to hate him.
@@nachisuper Blind people dont see colors because they dont see anything. People who hate what Peterson says are usually people who understand what he is saying but because of their own personal bias choose to disagree with what he says despite the value of what he is saying. So the analogy you used doesnt apply here. He didn't say he felt sorry for people who refuse to understand his words, but people who refuse to find value in them. There is a difference.
Jordan Peterson's lectures are so jam-packed with information that is useful, that I listen to them in bits and pieces. It's fast and furious, and I like his drive, but gosh.... I need breaks ; )
Jordan Peterson, is a man that will be recognised historically as very special, it is very rare to have a man come into this world who has such deep thinking coupled with humanity and love for humanity, when i listen to him i see a genuine man who cares for humanity, I can listen to him for hours and i can say he has changed my core beliefs , i feel i am a much more nicer and grounded person as a consequence L
Jordan Peterson is recognized by actual people with sense as a crank, a grifter, and also a fascist. Virtually his entire career has imploded and he is now a provocateur for the daily wire. He will not be remembered as the intellectual that he pretends to be. He will be remembered as just another crank with a sinister agenda and an audience of the gullible and the vulnerable.
@@scottholley4712 History is not written by the Media, and history is not written immediately but regarding the effect on the world. His effect is being and will be great, so it is quite possible that he becomes a historical figure (and the Left doesn't control the university, the Left is the university. Temperamentally, most scientists of every field, musicians, writers Silicon Valley entrepreneurs are overwhelmingly Liberal. Peterson explains it in one of his lectures about intelligence and creativity).
@@diogenesofsinope1638 Not one person in the public sphere will ever address the JQ, it's social and political suicide and they have careers to maintain. That doesnt mean that what Peterstein has to say isnt useful. Just take with a pinch of salt
I didn’t finish high school and wasn’t a very good student but since I have been listening to this man I believe I have learnt more from him then my entire schooling. Thank you Jordan Peterson
I have no idea why I'm crying but I know it's something very deep and that I've ignored and this wonderful man and the few there are like him that are struggling to find the words to explain to us these things so we don't die is just so awesome I thank you Mr. Peterson for all your hard work. I have 2 men in my life that has mentored me and coached me with such patience and love that I know they will be called great in the kingdom of heaven thank you for showing me that duty and responsibility is the way to go even if it's a heavy load or you've put off things because once you decide to move in that direction God makes it so that it is bearable and even helps. Thank you so much I can't explain to you how grateful I am for you. I've never met you however you have impacted my life for the better. This one lecture has healed things in me and helped me to move in faith. You are awesome !
Vicky? You should be crying because you’re falling for the ramblings of a crank. He’s not telling you anything of validity or relevance. However I will say the parts that he does touch upon our parts that have been touched upon by other philosophers sociologists anthropologist and psychologists far better than him. If you really want someone to really explain psychological elements I would recommend anything by Eric Fromm or Albert Ellis. I would also recommend American journalist Chris hedges. Jordan Peterson is basically lying to you. He is a mentally unwell man whom hides a sinister fascist agenda behind articulate verbosity and passionate stream of consciousness rhetoric. Do you know who does search things in similar fashion? Cultists.
What specifically does he say that is incorrect? I’ve heard this statement regarding Dr Peterson before, but it seems to come from people who disagree with him ideologically not because he is wrong about psychology or history. Seems like a rather lazy and banal criticism.
@@madprole5361 what intellectuals are laughing at him? Name one. Many of the famous intellectuals of our time, including Richard Dawkins who I imagine you're a fan of, admire him. There's no such thing as a fascist dude bro. You can't be a dude and bro and manifest fascism. For a dude champions individualism with a chill disposition and a brother loves the brethren. Exactly nothing Jordan says fits into the rubric of fascism, not a single utterance.
@@Willzyx88 Name one? Zizek. Lol Most don't waist their time on Randean esque cults anymore. And no, I'm not a fan of Dawkins and the New Atheist crew. You should really just look into fascism for like 4 min to see what you said is amusingly wrong. Fascists are the ultimate dude bros. Lol
After getting a degree in psychology and then not being able to complete my Master’s degree, this is so fascinating and I love it. Thank you for leaving this up here. I’ve only had one professor that was brilliant and this is my favorite subject. Amazing insight.
I’m in the same boat. Can’t get enough of this type of material. Makes me want to finish my masters. Only took two masters courses after bachelors, one of which was an educational psychology course. Great course partially because of the professor.
I can't believe how much valuable information this man delivers... It's so hard to have access to such a level of knowledge and truthfulness today. Probably very few people on earth, and Peterson is one of them
@@looperbirhinger7043 a credible academic. Something he is not. He's more of youtube personality and cult leader to the alt right and incels. He likes to rant about all sorts of things he couldn't even be bothered to wiki. He's like a modern day Rand; what stupid people think smart people sound like.
@@looperbirhinger7043 you want me to post some random academic and article? There's no point and YT isn't exactly set up for that. Lol 😆 Your bar for genius is excruciatingly low.
@@looperbirhinger7043 just one? Zizek, whom he radically failed against in their debate. Lol Also, Zizek did that as they are both popular public figures and to shut down his absurdist claims. Academics don't really take him seriously enough to waste their time refuting. That task is better left to YT philosophers. Lol
Just wanted to say thank you to Dr. Peterson for helping me find my place and purpose in the world. In a lot of ways I'm still searching. But I have aimed at something( a star)...moved towards it, and reconfigured my course as I get closer to it. I havn't literally cleaned my room yet, but I've tried learning and applying little micro routines, making sure I eat somewhat healthily, having little micro routines, and generally not letting anyone get in the way of my goals (I'm fairly disagreeable). I went from a nihilistic 20 something with no job, no education, and extreme depression to working, attaining my college degree, finally about to move out of my house to an apt (with my girlfriend who also live at home), and feeling pretty God damned unstoppable. All I had to do was try. And I still have an extreme amount to do and work on. Fuck yeah!!
I think that Jordan was profound in the way that he explained the inner and outer psychodynamic patterns that categorize how the human psyche manifests negatively. Much of it is a direct result of moral and ethical depravity within ourselves and the relationships that we have with others. The sad and ironic part about it is, it's like a social norm but at the same time a taboo because we are not willing to stand up for what we know is right morally and ethically and know our rights as human beings! The intensity in his way of communicating and conveying it to make us understand was so heavy that I felt the energy pulsing through my device. Awesome Jordan and thank you!
It's strange that it took the likes of social justice warriors to bring Dr Peterson to peoples attention because I never thought I'd ever have to thank those regressive twits for anything.
+Serdiuk Paul Dr. Peterson actually makes a statement about that response you had. It's during a brief discussion about yin and yang, or chaos and order. He says something like; "people who don't stray from their security won't find the security contained within chaos.
This man has totally changed my life. Ive spent hours and hours listening to him and ive faced a pretty big shadow, developed my personality. Understand trauma and how to work through it. How to parent, how to deal with malevolence and how to be brave on face of it. He made sense of my religious upbringing i can go on and on. So greatful i have the opportunity to listen to his lectures because id never have access to this level of education without it, i find reading hard as dyslexic but this is the best way for me to tk in the information. He should win some kind of award for his way of educating the masses at all levels in society.
Do not hide unwanted things in the fog. I love this, I've been doing this by "self medicating" for DECADES. Thanks Doc Peterson for putting this out there....Well said!
"Your head is either your brain or your psyche, both of which fit uncomfortably in the same skull" there's all sorts of little one or two sentence gems like this throughout his lectures that blow your mind on their own
Nine years ago and now his reputation is in the shit. He is now a mouthpiece for the daily wire. Oh and he also suffered a significant mental decline because of his benzodiazepine addiction and the medically induced coma he was placed in. Did you also know that prior to becoming a psychologist he was a morbid alcoholic? Yeah from the ages of 14 to 25 he was a drunk. And not surprising he rambles and talks in circles like he’s drunk though he’s completely sober. He is what is known as a dry drunk.
It's not the easiest thing to describe why Dr. Peterson has been so helpful to me but I think it's his ability to sum up and digest so much psychological information so quickly and articulate it so plainly that it helps organize all my personal baggage. Life is busy it's easier to just act without worrying so much about why. His lectures and books have been a sort of fast track into understanding myself. That is such a trite term but it really helps with regulating my emotions. If I'm mad I can analyze why I'm mad. And then determine if it is a valid response. It doesn't get rid of shame or guilt but it helps to trim it away if it is unnecessary.
This lecture was for a room full of psychologists, not college students or to be broadcast. It's a professional lecture to his peers, we've just gotten to listen to it. But it's solid gold.
I have listened to this very intently while going on an hour long walk outside. In class, whrn I was a you lad, I could not even pay attention to my teachers for 20 minutes straight.
Oh, yeah!! One of his best!People might think they’re reducing their internal entropy by avoiding dealing with the truth of their self/situation but they’re actually compounding it. Our society has been in an unspoken complicity of the avoidance of personal responsibility. This lack of accountability IS our social disease. Honestly should be given the highest value.
Gotta love his editorial comments "stupidest idea in the last 2000 years." And to close "I thought for 20 years I was going to get fired, and it never happened."
I am quite amazed whenever I listen to Jordan, just how well articulated he is. Even when unprepared, he seems to be extremely economic with his words. I wish I could develop that level of verbal mastery.
Excellent! Finally someone addresses these profoundly important issues! We can only hope that the psychological, and psychiatric communities are listening... and catch up. @47:00 going forward, thank you, thank you! Brilliant!
I am new to watching Jordan Peterson's lectures, and I find him to be very sincere and passionate about all the topics he chooses to lecture on, all his body language and his delivery is very animated with sincerity, I don't agree with everything he says, but I love watching him and listening to him
Everytime I watch Peterson I learn so much about myself I feel like I’ve been growing a cyclops in my head over 10 years of smoking weed everyday and recently I quit and ive been dealing with a lot of mental issues like strange and disturbing thoughts nothing that stops me from living my life but just enough to annoy disturb or give me anxiety. Once I thing I have the thoughts conquered they manifest in a new way and I have to deal with them again. I’m going to keep working through it as best I can hopefully I can squash this cyclops into the ground one day.
Only thing that stops me from smoking weed is not having the money for at any given time or the unavailability of it. Otherwise, I much prefer to have some smoke in my life. Is it a crutch? Perhaps. But I've smoked consistently for the last 25 years and I don't really see it as a drawback. It helps my anxiety a lot and generally helps me more than it hinders. I'm of the ilk that believes pot doesn't truly make people lazy or lack ambition, but can definitely make a genuinely lazy and non-ambitious person much more so. Too many examples of extremely high level productive people who also smoke weed regularly to say this is the case. I think we're all individuals and we all act and react differently according to our own composition and chemical makeup. All things in moderation. So long as your days are productive, I don't see any issue with cutting loose with a bit of marijuana. But that's just me. I don't "advocate" weed across the board by any means, but I do believe it helps a lot of people cope with certain issues. I'd say it's more of a habit than an addiction. My smoking cigarettes is far more of a crutch than weed has ever been.
What happens when a family structure is so rigid - but "appears" to be relaxed and accepting - but because of the "no talk rule" and the cutting off of the actualized individual is a form of growth stifling. Many of the "children" who are grown appear as infantile and resume old roles when visiting the family - they in fact never grow up. The family like that is essentially a cult.
I see my family in your description. What I have realized is that life is really messy. Especially when things aren't take care of. When the relationships haven't been straightened out, psychological baggage dealt with, self actualization haven't been made.
45:00 He just casually threw out a story about a guy seeing the devil sitting at his bedside and falling into a psychosis and just said "that's a lot more common than you'd think". There's some food for thought.
I am not psychotic nor have I ever taken a drug in my life, but when I was being terrorised by my family, I hallucinated a small devil, over the side of the bed. It only lasted a split second. I was rescued, and I've never had a repeat performance.
so much he says rings true...family have been saying they love me but acting like they dont and lying continuously for years...and im the one in therapy!
Gaslighting. Making you look like the bad guy. The same thing had happened to me. Insane, cruel deceptive family, psychopath mother who divided everyone in the family by triangulation. End result is that no-one is in touch anymore - I believe so we wouldn't come together to all figure her out. Three out of four family members who tried to commit suicide. Both parents and siblings invalidated me for years, lying and continual attempts to distort my reality. I was the truth teller in the family, and they all hated it.
Shapiro , Peterson, Hopkins, Some Black Guy, Tucker C., Gutfeld......on deck-Kanye, Chance the Rapper....uh oh! People thinking for themselves-How novel.
Front to back this Jordan Peterson knowledge on straight SMACK awesome content that you for keeping this piece up over the course of more than ten years at this point, I do appreciate being able to learn from is classic videos in a sit through start to finish and this was just that. Thank you BuddhismPsychology!
Actually finding out that Panic Attacks were common helped me tremendously in my teens. Realizing I wasn't going crazy, and knowing it was fairly common helped. I would get them without any discernible trigger also, so I couldn't figure out what was causing them. Come to find out, I was completely unaware of underlying stress, is that I apparently have a high tolerance for it, that this stress was building up which resulted in a release all at once. Before I would have a Panic Attack just wondering if I would have a Panic Attack. I finally got all of that under control, but being aware of what was happening surely helped me get to a place of no more Panic Attacks and much more.
I feel dumb because a lot of the words he uses I haven't heard or have seldom heard. At the same time given the context most are easy enough to interoperate. I've seen other comments on here saying what I'm thinking, that I couldn't really explain in detail what I've learned from this lecture but I know he has been talking about a lot of the things I have wondered about as a child/teen. Phycology is such an interesting field, offering an alternate way of looking at life and people, that has always been there behind the guise of everyday life. Humans are extraordinary. I truly believe our intelligence will prevail in the end and we can find a way to all live harmoniously. Take care of yourselves, and your neighbors.
OMGoodness! You were actually talking about me 12 years ago; except that I had 4 brothers & 4 sisters. This is what I think is important enough to share with my two sons, they have a right to know. I have to keep writing until I’m done.. but first I have to make my way to Alaska. That expanded more purpose to my goal.. Thank you.
Wow, ive listened to Jordan for more than an hour now. I just realized that this video is almost over and i actually said to myself, under my breath, "aww, damn." Lol. Thats really something.
"The family systems people localize pathology in the family, and they think about the individual as a unit in a dynamical system that's composed of the family. And I have clients who are no way near insane as their family is--but they're the people who've been targeted with mental illness, because that's convenient for everyone involved. Right? It's really annoying if all six of you are crazy because, you know, you're never gonna get out of that. So its often convenient to identify the noisiest complainer as the psychopathological individual and to scapegoat them. Then of course they look like they're ill too, because they're so bloody stressed that they fall apart in four different ways. But the locale of the problem isn't actually in them, even though they're part of the system that's not functioning properly. Even though you can make them feel better by giving them anti-depressants, well at least sometimes (and that's because they have non-specific effects)." Yup. He's genius.
Well he suffers from depression and so does his daughter people stigmatized mental illness as "crazy" but some people are just moody to varied degrees for various reasons. Some people take after one parent more than another too which causes conflict I took more after my Father for example and my Mother resented that they split up when I was young too but still always the snide remarks about how philosophical I am and where did I get that from etc. Since I have two older brothers she probably expected her little girl to just go shopping and gossip with her and I had little interest in doing either I just liked listening to music and reading books more like Dad than her he built things and was more creative than her too.
Holy shit............... I came to hear Jordan speak and wind up reading a passage about my family dynamic. I was diagnosed Manic-Depressive at 14, a few months after watching "One flew over the coo coo's nest!"
This sort of intense lecturing is very rare to see, whether in Academia or in the Pulpit. U.ofT. is very fortunate to have a man like Jordan Peterson. Unfortunately the Video Guy didn't even have the "focus" sharp enough, and then the editing had roughly 5 overlaps that repeated themselves. A guy like this deserves at least a competent Videographer.
It's a very old video, sharing it on youtube was never intended, there was no youtube then. At best a VHS copy might have been passed around the members of this professional group.
@49:00 this one minute of examples: 1. made me start laughing out loud in a formal office, as if I were listening to Dave Chappelle or Chris Rock live (but this is *not* comedy). 2. made me think, "Is this stuff in a handbook somewhere? That's the recipie my spouse deployed, which nearly erased me entirely." 3. Then expanded vertically, "Wait, that's my childhood, my father's upbringing-by-absence, the training making me suitable for endless abuse I'd misunderstand as a call to caretaking.
20:30 "Freud concentrated on psychopathology... Jung by contrast concentrated on individuation, which was form of moral development as a marker of mental health"
I'm really amazed by him in one sense, and In another sense I also get vibes of a young George Carlin. That is not an insult, but a compliment because they both are people of exceptional character and strikingly similar thoughts about the universe despite their conclusions leading to starkly different places. Thankfully, Dr. Peterson doesn't go down the nihilistic route despite knowing all the limitations of human behavior.
The difference as i see it between the two personalities lies primarily in the belief, or lack thereof, in a higher power. Carlin was a died in the wool atheist and definitely showed hardcore nihilistic tendencies. Peterson maintains his connection to the mystery of the universe through his faith in God. But yes, i see your point. Their logic works in much the same way. Very dry and matter of fact. Cynical but forward thinking and ironic.
I agree with your clarification. It's why I appreciate Dr. J. Peterson so much. (One of the reasons, anyway.) I guess my only point being that I'm glad George Carlin spoke up on certain issues (war) at a time when most entertainers wouldn't go anywhere near the truths he was talking about. After all, though Carlin was hardly wealthy by Hollywood standards, he could have "enjoyed" just being a druggie, etc.and not doing HIS important work which reached lots of people at an important time. Thanks for your thoughtful response.
Watched a lot of Jordan Peterson youtube videos and this one has to be one of the best ones i've seen. I'm still considerably new to all his work but i found so many topics in this one profound and helpful.. Now, hopefully i can implement them and not forget immediately... Lol -.-
I so agree with the statement about evolutionary psychology. If they do not understand a phenomenon they just make up stories of how that might be useful evolutionary, and because of that, you now have it. That doesn't answer the question about what's going on, it just makes a story for how it come to be, and not a explanation for how it works.
This is the Jordan Peterson I want back. I don't particularly care about Jordan Peterson the social icon. I want Jordan Peterson the powerhouse psychologist back. His perspective alongside his reputation and position is imperative, and I think he really could have a big impact on the world of psychology, instead of lowering himself to writing palatable self-help books.
The point on lying as a major cause of psychopathology is so true. Example: pathological narcissists, with their confabulations, embellishments and lying, and think about how others suffer from narcissistic abuse. Lying also eats narcissists from inside, hence their inescapable sense of inner emptiness.
Dr. Peterson has sought to take people out of the materialistic world and beyond the machine age realms of matter and to help them plumb the depths of meaning. He has done this brilliantly and has gone way beyond most to put his finger on some of the real issues of life. As a psychologist he has been running up against the dysfunctions in humanity. He has diagnosed the problems of fallen man and done this beautifully. So now, by tragic necessity, he is being driven to address the virtues of life. But in doing so he has reached a threshold. He now realizes that there are still greater and more wonderful depths yet to be discovered. As a psychologist Dr. Peterson sees the sad dysfunctions of humanity every day. He is understandably exasperated that these social ills still prevail while heroic and good people in the West have made it the best place to live on the planet. In a sense he has come to the crossroads. Good decisions, diligence with the truth, discipline in personal life, all these virtues. We all want virtues in our society. But where is the wellspring of these much desired character traits? From whence come the graces that make our lives bearable? We can talk about these matters and the meaning of life all day and never achieve anything, unless, perhaps, we get help from outside of ourselves. It is repeat of “a tale of two cities”. Is Dr. Peterson going to take French pathway of humanistic rationalism? Voltaire championed the Age of Reason and a clockwork universe without personal meaning. God was asked by the French to take a hike. After that He was nowhere to be found. All that was left was a nation taken off to war by Napoleon, national disaster, and an existential emptiness that led to “No exit”, sensualism, and the “theater of the absurd.” So is Dr. Peterson going to take the way of the French? Or the way of the English speaking people with their awakenings? Will he take up his oratory on virtue, as did Robespierre, one of the rationalist Freemasonic orators of the godless French Revolution? Is he going to sell the seven steps to virtue forever, knowing that mankind without God cannot ever achieve character without a spirit to energize the psyche? And what happens if he makes a mis-step as he rides the wave of oratory and wipes out? What happens if he becomes exhausted and comes to the point of personal burnout? Will he be rejected or viewed as passe’ by the masses and the mobs in the streets? Will he be, (metaphorically speaking), sent to the guillotine, like Robespierre was when his oratory was given the thumbs down in the French Revolution? Dr. Peterson and the psychological profession adopt a rationalist objective approach to the pathology of human thinking, feelings, and behavior. They look scientifically and objectively at what things go wrong in relationships. This leads them to consider the virtues and the graces on the other side of the equation. Quite clearly Dr. Peterson is now surveying and measuring the rivers of life in God with the same diligence he surveyed the rivers of human dysfunction in the realms of the devil. So what is to be done with this data? How is he to proceed after doing this surveying of good and evil? Two rivers lie before him. He has investigated them exhaustively. So what now? Is he going to make up His mind which one he is going to dive into? Is it possible that he could do the radical thing and let go of his rationalistic objectivism? Only then would he be in a position to report his findings on the immersive existential experience in “the God who is there.” To do this he would have to let go of his Greek Aristotelian thinking. No longer would human reason and the sculpted. Image of “the thinker” be his ultimate god. No longer would humanism be the ultimate determinant of truth. To go up to the next level he would have to take that resolve to open the door. Whether they be brilliant souls or humble souls, people eventually come to the end of themselves. In the interim they struggle. Many end up in depression, existential emptiness, addictions, or sensual pursuits. Many try to find personal fulfillment by joining the herd of programmed robotic humanistic beings and throw themselves into the perceived virtue of “social justice”. There in an atmosphere of mutual glorification they can seek self-fulfillment in lofty perturbations of groupthink. Some level of self-fulfillment can be gained in identifying with these power groups. But as Dr. Peterson has amply demonstrated, behind many of the social justice warrior is the heady power politics of Socialism. Any socialism is a deadly way of thinking. Because it always falls short and it is always opposed and becomes bloody soon after it is politicized. International socialism, that grievous human folly, has killed upwards of 200 million people. And as Dr. Peterson points out, the tyranny of Communism began in the nice social justice discussions in the coffee shops of Paris. So is humanistic political groupthink the only viable gathering to be found? And does the political arena set the limits for conversation and for human devotion? Both national socialism and international communism are out there begging for souls. Both of them ended in disaster. Now we have Socialist justice warriors stirring up the masses to cause further waves of grief. What else is there? There is another choice. People can, and do, give themselves over to the personal real-time Living Logos, of John chapter 1. They surrender their lives to the despised Judeo-Christian God of the West, the God of the people of realms what were once called Western Christendom. That is always a radical thing to do. But it leads to a serendipity. Human souls cry out in their time of need. At the very same time Someone is knocking at the door from the next dimension. Someone, should we let him in, can take us beyond ourselves. Is there a Someone in whom we can realize virtue personally, even show us and immerse us in the eternal rivers of life? Is it possible that Dr. Peterson could take the baton from C.S. Lewis and go beyond? Could he, by God’s grace, break out into another role to take a grateful people beyond the current metaphysical oriental stalemate of the ying and the yang? Could his orations on virtue go beyond the mere generic wish-list of virtues to deliver within us the spiritual empowerment that makes these virtues a reality? How the West needs a trailblazer who can help lead fallen man out of the swamps of psychological despair. Is there not a highway that leads upwards to greater glories? Do we not need faithful trailblazers to lead us into a genuine vital and truthful psychology? Might there be resource in the God of the West who beckons to us from the next dimension, even from an eternal realm beyond our self-life? See EndTimePilgrim.org/puritans12.htm
Exactly. It’s like some kind of deranged fractal nightmare, all spiraling out from a singular source… The way I conceive it, there’s only one true “disorder.” Our culture. And the closer you identify with it, the more disordered you are as an individual.
The problem with diagnosis sometimes is that it seems to be viewed as accurate even if it turns out to be wrong. 30 years ago everyone was bipolar and no one seem to make an investigation into personality, upbringing, traumatic events etc. Once you have been branded this illness or that, it's hard to get the medical community to reevaluate your diagnosis. Besides, my experience has been that they want to treat you with pharmaceuticals no matter what the problem and sent you on your way.
Ive noticed during the past few years peoples disgnoses where i work can change as their behaviors etc change and the doctor can change it if he feels it needs to be changed.
When I see these old videos I can’t help but see Dr. JP’s digestive health issues back then. I feel sorry for ppl pushing through without diagnosis and relief.
1:19 The problem of Categorization 8:47 The purpose of categorization 11:18 What is mental illness? 18:03 What is mental health? 23:00 Causal factors, right levels of analysis 29:09 An alternative model of psychopathology 34:19 Single mindedness and addiction 40:39 Medieval conceptions of psychopathology 46:56 Self-deception, inauthenticity, repression, ignorance 1:04:16 The relationship between mental illness and the balance of chaos and order 1:09:31 Questions and answers
Maybe my favorite comment ever
MVP
Viktor Karlsson not all heroes wear capes
That's being pretty damn useful. You qualify for top lobster.
@@armoredgirl7564 Truly the hero we do not deserve!
Sometimes when listening to Jordan I burst out laughing. Not because of a joke, but because of an understanding I have just received.
I've had the same thing occur multiple times. I tend to burst out laughing at myself for having a dearly held belief that Peterson shatters with profundity, and you know he's right. I end up kind of laughing at myself.
Same thing here. I laugh, not because it's funny....but because once stated, it's so obvious...and I've never thought of it on my own. And I never would.
Satori! It's hilarious self realization. The cosmic chuckle. Congratulations! ✨😂✨
All. The. Time. I'm glad I'm not the only one.
I bolt around , like someone poked me really hard.
What a find! After listening to him for 1 min I realised I was not prepared to absorb so much meaningful content so eloquently put, so I looked for a book of his. After reading 2 short sentences from his book, I had to think about it for 10 min and had mind blown. What a find!! Thank you!
Hi! What book?
Mycompany Ech he's probably talking about maps of meaning. It's a very dense tome. His new book "12 rules for life" is very thoughtful too. I'm only about halfway through because I keep stopping just to think and absorb.
@@IAmJeka 12 rules of life
Somehow I do better hearing than reading.
Amazing!
1:04:27 - 1:05:36
One minute and 9 seconds, but a lifetime worth of valuable information right there.
Immensly, immensly insightful and valueable. The thus far has been leading up to that moment. I love so much, that he often gives a resolution to the problems he identifies.
Kierke Gaard z
Peterson is basically clamoring for people to listen to and develop their conscience.
ya take responsibility and pay attention
Kierke Gaard Thank you.
With humility I consider myself intelligent however I would give my right arm to be able to coordinate my thought s into speech with such fluidity as Jordan. It is absolutely fascinating to watch.
He put in decades of deep thought and ongoing practice sorting out, formulating, teaching, scrutinizing, applying, expanding and refining his ideas. Just one arm chopped off, even given to the devil, won't buy you that kind of living skill. It's a mastery issue.
Sonja Waringer yea it's like he spent his whole life working through these issues. He put in all the hard work and here is the outcome. Concise and greatly constructed arguments that he's thought through so much to where he has an answer to whatever it may be that one argues. It's admirable. He truly is a great man, and will definitely be one of the greats along with Nietzsche, Sartre and Camus when it comes to existentialism.
you really must be challenged.Try reading.
And he's considered an idiot, academically. I wonder what you'd give up for a real intellectual? Lol
@@madprole5361 this is a silly comment, but you’re subscribed to Sam the Cooking guy so I’ll excuse it.
"We're not willing to take the ethical bull by the horns... Human health is a matter of moral action." Dr JP is a human language engineer... Putting into words the things that live in our minds.
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An eloquent one at that.
a, MEME.
He’s rambling. He’s basically doing what is essentially pseudo intellectual stream of consciousness which basically amounts to absolutely nothing. Well I think it’s cute is that he seems to almost touch upon some pretty logical parts… Then he will pivot and start the stream of consciousness bullshit all over again. It’s not surprising that this man is mentally unwell. I mean look at him. His shirt is wrinkled his hair is disheveled he’s got the dead look in his eyes he’s constantly gesticulating with his hands while rambling incoherently. And just because he sprinkles some academic jargon and verbosity within his stream of consciousness doesn’t mean that his points are valid or even remotely relevant.
Not to mention his arrogance is quite telling. He dismisses things that he doesn’t agree with as “rubbish“ and here’s the thing… He doesn’t prove as to why he views what he doesn’t agree with as “rubbish”.
It’s hilarious to me that people actually think he’s an intellectual or even remotely intelligent. I’ve worked in a psych ward. This man would definitely be a patient in a psych ward.
"appalling beyond belief" this is something he says very often I love it omg
Gulags are appalling beyond belief.
Oh man, I've just watched 'Jordan Peterson: Existentialism | Authenticity' straight to this and it is heavy man; I've never listened so intently in a long, long time, it felt like the whole world fell silent because there were some profound truths being spoken.
Brilliant man. Super human being. You can fake alot of things in this world, but this man cares about the problems we face
Free speech hero and intellectual. Nobel prize for you.
Deplorable Bias massive loads to the face for you.
Dr Peterson is worthy of the highest awards, but after the Nobel prize was awarded to Obama, that award lost all respect in my opinion
Hate to break this to you.
But he is a rambling crank.
He is mentally unwell.
This dude is the Hendrix of talking.
Weird comparison.
I love Hendrix, it's so true
What do you see are the similarities? What traits does he share with Hendrix, in your opinion?
Its an anology
I think DrJBPs' speech seems kindof improvised but very articulate, like Hendrixs' guitar playing, and the ability to keep talking/playing continuously while keeping it interesting and various. Philosophically and lyrically I think there are similarities, especially J Hendrixs later songs revolved around themes like communication, humanity, perception, justice, freedom (songs like Freedom and Straight Ahead are good examples.) Musically and tonally, the speech is sophisticated but also expressive and/or excited/exciting and content is covered in an air of humour and humility, willingly vulnerable to being proven wrong or to have another argument/question be heard and given space, just as JHendrixs held-back to let other musicians solo/riff. Being the hendrix of talking complicated based on what level you see Hendrix on, a shallow perspective sees: "a rockstar, virtuoso, turned loose by fame, money, partying and drugs, which took his life in the end" but a more close look at the history and what his views and opinions were and who he had got caught up with shows him to be: "a very kind and polite person who was also very trusting, which got him into situations with ill-intended people who milked his work and probably are the same ones who killed him in his NYC apartment after he went his own way. His last concerts were at Peace Festivals in Hawaii and Western Europe which were attacked by motorbike gangs." There are many differences, huge differences, and the similarities are interesting, but depends what aspect or level of DrJBP and JHendrix
"Harvard psychiatrist Robert Coles went so far as to speculate in 1967 that there would never be an “end to mental illness” due to advances in medical research - because 'mental illness’ (he himself put the words in quotation marks) was 'a social problem involving the family, the nursery, the neighborhood, the nation and its economic or political condition.' To treat the sickness of the individual, psychiatrists had first to concede the sickness in society." -Michael E. Staub, Madness is Civilization: Psyco Politics and Postwar America
yep, the majority hold a corrupt ideology that does nothing to teach them the tools to rational ground their minds to reality objectively or honestly. Sort delusion from reality, sort the subjective from the objective. This is indeed the truth.
The myth of mental illness by Thomas S Szasz is worth reading.
I would add that "cluster B" is THE problem of humanity. ALL other so-called 'mental illness' would simply melt away as we would compassionately 'tend to our own'...
@@anonone2175 he Szasz is excellent
Except personality disorders are most likely caused by functional problems in organs in the brain or the brain itself.
This guy saved my life...
How?
@TimCrinion not that I need to justify anything to you mate but because I was a fucking drug addict and suicidal, that enough for ye cunt...
Boy just found this and it's made me realise all the stuff Dr Peterson has had to go through has aged him over the last 8 years. I hope everyone who supports him lets him know.
perk, for whatever reason he failed to impress me.
Let him know what? That he's aged? I'm sure he'll value that input.
I think he's gotten hotter as he has aged. He looked so boyish in his early videos. But his recent videos he looks like he has come into his manhood. And I personally like a man with strong character. Tammy is one lucky woman!
Yes
@@darkmaitri What he's saying is not meant to put him down. No one is saying whether he looks hotter or not.
He is saying that he has sacrificed a lot in the past 8 years and it shows in his face. We should be appreciative of his efforts in standing up to the mob and continuing to share his knowledge with us.
Stress accelerates aging. And he seems to have aged quite a bit in just 8 years.
It's the truth. No need to sugarcoat it.
I feel like you are the same person to tell an obese woman that she looks just fine and doesn't need to change her diet or exercise. Or tells a very short guy that he is not disadvantaged when it comes to dating.
Lying to people in order to make them feel better, hurts them in the long run.
Yes ... stressors have aged me quickly too. Aging quickly is not about the aesthetic ; one can still be attractive but about the underlying stressors that are physically evident and one commiserates. Dr Peterson is an ongoing marvel continuing to improve countless lives.
This is amazing. I wish I could see the slides too. This might be one of my favourite JP lectures yet.
what a gift to humanity, I feel sorry for the people who refuse to find the value in his words.
That's like saying you feel sorry for the blind people who REFUSE to see colors.
We don't choose our filters and biases. Of course you can feel sorry for Jordan's haters, but "REFUSE" might be the wrong way to think about it.
There's a huge number of otherwise very intelligent people who get explosively resentful, envious and jealous of Peterson simply because listening to him opens their eyes to where all and how and why they failed to actualise their own considerable intelligence and knowledge. And thats a hard bitter truth to swallow so its easier to hate him.
who said we don't get to choose our filters and biases , we have some will to detect and solve our problems@@nachisuper
@@nachisuper Blind people dont see colors because they dont see anything. People who hate what Peterson says are usually people who understand what he is saying but because of their own personal bias choose to disagree with what he says despite the value of what he is saying. So the analogy you used doesnt apply here. He didn't say he felt sorry for people who refuse to understand his words, but people who refuse to find value in them. There is a difference.
Jordan Peterson's lectures are so jam-packed with information that is useful, that I listen to them in bits and pieces. It's fast and furious, and I like his drive, but gosh.... I need breaks ; )
Jordan Peterson, is a man that will be recognised historically as very special, it is very rare to have a man come into this world who has such deep thinking coupled with humanity and love for humanity, when i listen to him i see a genuine man who cares for humanity, I can listen to him for hours and i can say he has changed my core beliefs , i feel i am a much more nicer and grounded person as a consequence L
I think he’s the most important thinker of our time
😂
You changed your core beliefs. Angels are here to shake things up 😮
Well said! He has changed my life for the better for sure! I value him
Jordan Peterson is recognized by actual people with sense as a crank, a grifter, and also a fascist. Virtually his entire career has imploded and he is now a provocateur for the daily wire. He will not be remembered as the intellectual that he pretends to be. He will be remembered as just another crank with a sinister agenda and an audience of the gullible and the vulnerable.
This is a fantastic lecture--one of his best. His compilation of speeches is vast (and wonderful), so to be one of the best is really something.
Agreed 👍
Agree. Thanks.
I think in the years to come, Dr. Peterson may ne viewed as a historical figure.
The facist, socialist and communist of the Leftist organizations control the university and the media, so it will never happen.
@@scottholley4712 History is not written by the Media, and history is not written immediately but regarding the effect on the world. His effect is being and will be great, so it is quite possible that he becomes a historical figure
(and the Left doesn't control the university, the Left is the university. Temperamentally, most scientists of every field, musicians, writers Silicon Valley entrepreneurs are overwhelmingly Liberal. Peterson explains it in one of his lectures about intelligence and creativity).
I will remember him for one quote.
"I can't......"
One can hope
@@diogenesofsinope1638 Not one person in the public sphere will ever address the JQ, it's social and political suicide and they have careers to maintain. That doesnt mean that what Peterstein has to say isnt useful. Just take with a pinch of salt
I didn’t finish high school and wasn’t a very good student but since I have been listening to this man I believe I have learnt more from him then my entire schooling.
Thank you Jordan Peterson
Learnt
This talk pulled me back from the brink some years ago. Powerful ideas... listen carefully.
Amen
this really is one of the best speeches about psychology ever made
Something tells me you're trustworthy
@@HomeMadeHairGel something tells me to trust you when you say something tells you I'm trustworthy
I have no idea why I'm crying but I know it's something very deep and that I've ignored and this wonderful man and the few there are like him that are struggling to find the words to explain to us these things so we don't die is just so awesome I thank you Mr. Peterson for all your hard work. I have 2 men in my life that has mentored me and coached me with such patience and love that I know they will be called great in the kingdom of heaven thank you for showing me that duty and responsibility is the way to go even if it's a heavy load or you've put off things because once you decide to move in that direction God makes it so that it is bearable and even helps. Thank you so much I can't explain to you how grateful I am for you. I've never met you however you have impacted my life for the better. This one lecture has healed things in me and helped me to move in faith. You are awesome !
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Vicky? You should be crying because you’re falling for the ramblings of a crank. He’s not telling you anything of validity or relevance. However I will say the parts that he does touch upon our parts that have been touched upon by other philosophers sociologists anthropologist and psychologists far better than him. If you really want someone to really explain psychological elements I would recommend anything by Eric Fromm or Albert Ellis. I would also recommend American journalist Chris hedges.
Jordan Peterson is basically lying to you. He is a mentally unwell man whom hides a sinister fascist agenda behind articulate verbosity and passionate stream of consciousness rhetoric. Do you know who does search things in similar fashion? Cultists.
I love the way he ended it: rants, throws up his hands, and says, "alright, well, that's good enough!"
Brilliance.. just brilliance. every time i watch him, this man is beyond any psychologist.
He's an intellectual laughing stock who's fans are mostly fascist dude bros.
What specifically does he say that is incorrect? I’ve heard this statement regarding Dr Peterson before, but it seems to come from people who disagree with him ideologically not because he is wrong about psychology or history. Seems like a rather lazy and banal criticism.
@@madprole5361 what intellectuals are laughing at him? Name one. Many of the famous intellectuals of our time, including Richard Dawkins who I imagine you're a fan of, admire him.
There's no such thing as a fascist dude bro. You can't be a dude and bro and manifest fascism. For a dude champions individualism with a chill disposition and a brother loves the brethren.
Exactly nothing Jordan says fits into the rubric of fascism, not a single utterance.
@@madprole5361 You don't even have an original opinion. You just parrot what your fellow idiots tell you to.
@@Willzyx88 Name one? Zizek. Lol Most don't waist their time on Randean esque cults anymore. And no, I'm not a fan of Dawkins and the New Atheist crew. You should really just look into fascism for like 4 min to see what you said is amusingly wrong. Fascists are the ultimate dude bros. Lol
After getting a degree in psychology and then not being able to complete my Master’s degree, this is so fascinating and I love it. Thank you for leaving this up here. I’ve only had one professor that was brilliant and this is my favorite subject. Amazing insight.
I’m in the same boat. Can’t get enough of this type of material. Makes me want to finish my masters. Only took two masters courses after bachelors, one of which was an educational psychology course. Great course partially because of the professor.
I don't throw the "F" word around lightly but this is fucking brilliant.
That's a great fucking comment 😊👏👏
sorry for my bad english, but this lecture is a fucking!
This is fucking great in 2021
This is one of those incredibly interesting and engaging lectures that you wish would never end. Brilliant.
I can't believe how much valuable information this man delivers... It's so hard to have access to such a level of knowledge and truthfulness today. Probably very few people on earth, and Peterson is one of them
Dude is a bad fascist joke laughed at by real academics. 🤣
@@looperbirhinger7043 a credible academic. Something he is not. He's more of youtube personality and cult leader to the alt right and incels. He likes to rant about all sorts of things he couldn't even be bothered to wiki. He's like a modern day Rand; what stupid people think smart people sound like.
@@looperbirhinger7043 you want me to post some random academic and article? There's no point and YT isn't exactly set up for that. Lol 😆 Your bar for genius is excruciatingly low.
@@looperbirhinger7043 just one? Zizek, whom he radically failed against in their debate. Lol Also, Zizek did that as they are both popular public figures and to shut down his absurdist claims. Academics don't really take him seriously enough to waste their time refuting. That task is better left to YT philosophers. Lol
@@looperbirhinger7043 and I'm not even a big fan of Zizeks. Lol
Just wanted to say thank you to Dr. Peterson for helping me find my place and purpose in the world. In a lot of ways I'm still searching. But I have aimed at something( a star)...moved towards it, and reconfigured my course as I get closer to it. I havn't literally cleaned my room yet, but I've tried learning and applying little micro routines, making sure I eat somewhat healthily, having little micro routines, and generally not letting anyone get in the way of my goals (I'm fairly disagreeable). I went from a nihilistic 20 something with no job, no education, and extreme depression to working, attaining my college degree, finally about to move out of my house to an apt (with my girlfriend who also live at home), and feeling pretty God damned unstoppable. All I had to do was try. And I still have an extreme amount to do and work on. Fuck yeah!!
Congrats man. Keep it going
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How wonderful! Amazing. Dr. Peterson is such an amazing person. You're proof!
Damn, this guy is smart!
If he's not already getting paid every time he opens his mouth, he should be.
Gifted & inspired
I think that Jordan was profound in the way that he explained the inner and outer psychodynamic patterns that categorize how the human psyche manifests negatively. Much of it is a direct result of moral and ethical depravity within ourselves and the relationships that we have with others. The sad and ironic part about it is, it's like a social norm but at the same time a taboo because we are not willing to stand up for what we know is right morally and ethically and know our rights as human beings! The intensity in his way of communicating and conveying it to make us understand was so heavy that I felt the energy pulsing through my device. Awesome Jordan and thank you!
It's strange that it took the likes of social justice warriors to bring Dr Peterson to peoples attention because I never thought I'd ever have to thank those regressive twits for anything.
Hear here!!
It's that case when listening to your enemy might turn out to be more useful than you think.
You pay attention to what he says ^ :)
+Serdiuk Paul Dr. Peterson actually makes a statement about that response you had.
It's during a brief discussion about yin and yang, or chaos and order.
He says something like; "people who don't stray from their security won't find the security contained within chaos.
Preach
This man has totally changed my life. Ive spent hours and hours listening to him and ive faced a pretty big shadow, developed my personality. Understand trauma and how to work through it. How to parent, how to deal with malevolence and how to be brave on face of it. He made sense of my religious upbringing i can go on and on. So greatful i have the opportunity to listen to his lectures because id never have access to this level of education without it, i find reading hard as dyslexic but this is the best way for me to tk in the information. He should win some kind of award for his way of educating the masses at all levels in society.
Do not hide unwanted things in the fog.
I love this, I've been doing this by "self medicating" for DECADES. Thanks Doc Peterson for putting this out there....Well said!
Did you sort yourself out yet? 2 years since you made the comment, I'm curious to know.
@@BenetbenetLive How has the last year treated you?
@@WanderingBrushArt years been alright, nothing special. Hbu
"Your head is either your brain or your psyche, both of which fit uncomfortably in the same skull" there's all sorts of little one or two sentence gems like this throughout his lectures that blow your mind on their own
Peterson never fails to enlight me
9 years ago and he’s got “quite the reputation”. The young lion.
Nine years ago and now his reputation is in the shit. He is now a mouthpiece for the daily wire. Oh and he also suffered a significant mental decline because of his benzodiazepine addiction and the medically induced coma he was placed in. Did you also know that prior to becoming a psychologist he was a morbid alcoholic? Yeah from the ages of 14 to 25 he was a drunk. And not surprising he rambles and talks in circles like he’s drunk though he’s completely sober. He is what is known as a dry drunk.
It's not the easiest thing to describe why Dr. Peterson has been so helpful to me but I think it's his ability to sum up and digest so much psychological information so quickly and articulate it so plainly that it helps organize all my personal baggage. Life is busy it's easier to just act without worrying so much about why. His lectures and books have been a sort of fast track into understanding myself. That is such a trite term but it really helps with regulating my emotions. If I'm mad I can analyze why I'm mad. And then determine if it is a valid response. It doesn't get rid of shame or guilt but it helps to trim it away if it is unnecessary.
A true scholar and gentleman
Trigger Dawning Lou Weeze, is that you??
thankyou !..oh...you meant Dr Peterson...not me...
A Canadian gentleman able to connect, on point. "You tube?" has given him such versatility! I Love you Jordan!!!
He is no scholar. He's a bad joke.
@@madprole5361 did you listen to the whole lecture?
This lecture was for a room full of psychologists, not college students or to be broadcast. It's a professional lecture to his peers, we've just gotten to listen to it. But it's solid gold.
I have listened to this very intently while going on an hour long walk outside. In class, whrn I was a you lad, I could not even pay attention to my teachers for 20 minutes straight.
This is one of those lectures that is so engaging I can hardly stand pressing pause.
Oh, yeah!! One of his best!People might think they’re reducing their internal entropy by avoiding dealing with the truth of their self/situation but they’re actually compounding it. Our society has been in an unspoken complicity of the avoidance of personal responsibility. This lack of accountability IS our social disease. Honestly should be given the highest value.
That’s it
"Human health is a matter of moral action perhaps more than it's a matter of anything else."
This was just brilliant, brilliant beyond any bs pinkish world depictions.
This man has been instrumental in my personal,rhetorical,philosophical,and theological development.
Miss this Jordan Peterson 😮😮😮
Gotta love his editorial comments "stupidest idea in the last 2000 years."
And to close "I thought for 20 years I was going to get fired, and it never happened."
I would love to have Peterson to talk to every day for a while, his friends are really fortunate.
I am quite amazed whenever I listen to Jordan, just how well articulated he is. Even when unprepared, he seems to be extremely economic with his words. I wish I could develop that level of verbal mastery.
Artists don’t prepare
This lecture changed my life
Excellent! Finally someone addresses these profoundly important issues! We can only hope that the psychological, and psychiatric communities are listening... and catch up. @47:00 going forward, thank you, thank you! Brilliant!
Thanks for posting this life changing lecture. I needed this.
This man is so friggin brilliant. He's gonna go down in the history books as the Albert Einstein of Sociology, mark my words!
I am new to watching Jordan Peterson's lectures, and I find him to be very sincere and passionate about all the topics he chooses to lecture on, all his body language and his delivery is very animated with sincerity, I don't agree with everything he says, but I love watching him and listening to him
Everytime I watch Peterson I learn so much about myself I feel like I’ve been growing a cyclops in my head over 10 years of smoking weed everyday and recently I quit and ive been dealing with a lot of mental issues like strange and disturbing thoughts nothing that stops me from living my life but just enough to annoy disturb or give me anxiety. Once I thing I have the thoughts conquered they manifest in a new way and I have to deal with them again. I’m going to keep working through it as best I can hopefully I can squash this cyclops into the ground one day.
Only thing that stops me from smoking weed is not having the money for at any given time or the unavailability of it. Otherwise, I much prefer to have some smoke in my life.
Is it a crutch? Perhaps. But I've smoked consistently for the last 25 years and I don't really see it as a drawback. It helps my anxiety a lot and generally helps me more than it hinders.
I'm of the ilk that believes pot doesn't truly make people lazy or lack ambition, but can definitely make a genuinely lazy and non-ambitious person much more so.
Too many examples of extremely high level productive people who also smoke weed regularly to say this is the case.
I think we're all individuals and we all act and react differently according to our own composition and chemical makeup.
All things in moderation. So long as your days are productive, I don't see any issue with cutting loose with a bit of marijuana. But that's just me. I don't "advocate" weed across the board by any means, but I do believe it helps a lot of people cope with certain issues.
I'd say it's more of a habit than an addiction. My smoking cigarettes is far more of a crutch than weed has ever been.
@@crazyworld54321 I think we react differently dur to mental states rather than chemical differences
Astoundingly brilliant. Thank you, JBP for sharing your wealth.
I love this man and his way of understanding what's goin on. So different and special and well-thought out.
I miss this JP
Still love current JP
But I want more of this JP
What happens when a family structure is so rigid - but "appears" to be relaxed and accepting - but because of the "no talk rule" and the cutting off of the actualized individual is a form of growth stifling. Many of the "children" who are grown appear as infantile and resume old roles when visiting the family - they in fact never grow up. The family like that is essentially a cult.
You have stand up for yourself and fight back in order to force the cult to accept your self growth. I speak from experience.
I see my family in your description. What I have realized is that life is really messy. Especially when things aren't take care of. When the relationships haven't been straightened out, psychological baggage dealt with, self actualization haven't been made.
Personality Disorders are created.
The females are messing us all up by inverting things and they just don't care
Is amazing how if you look at this video that’s from 8 years ago, and you look at interviews of him now, he just hasn’t change at all.
45:00 He just casually threw out a story about a guy seeing the devil sitting at his bedside and falling into a psychosis and just said "that's a lot more common than you'd think". There's some food for thought.
I am not psychotic nor have I ever taken a drug in my life, but when I was being terrorised by my family, I hallucinated a small devil, over the side of the bed. It only lasted a split second. I was rescued, and I've never had a repeat performance.
His most underrated lecture by far.
so much he says rings true...family have been saying they love me but acting like they dont and lying continuously for years...and im the one in therapy!
well they're lying to themselves, and you're not, hence you seek help, they don't....too bad, because you need the least help compared to them
Gaslighting. Making you look like the bad guy. The same thing had happened to me. Insane, cruel deceptive family, psychopath mother who divided everyone in the family by triangulation. End result is that no-one is in touch anymore - I believe so we wouldn't come together to all figure her out. Three out of four family members who tried to commit suicide. Both parents and siblings invalidated me for years, lying and continual attempts to distort my reality. I was the truth teller in the family, and they all hated it.
Peterson is going to go down in history as one of the most influential people of all time....
The man has a courage that is contagious. A very dangerous man. They will try to destroy him.
Shapiro
, Peterson, Hopkins, Some Black Guy, Tucker C., Gutfeld......on deck-Kanye, Chance the Rapper....uh oh! People thinking for themselves-How novel.
No. God is on his side
In case anyone forgot:
Income Taxation is still theft
ok Milo lol jp but Milo warned him in the strangest way
I worry about that a great deal. Let's pray that it doesn't happen. But he's aware of this and is taking *some precautions.
I could listen to this genius forever.
My love for his wisdom and knowledge is undying. Thank you for helping me understand myself.
Front to back this Jordan Peterson knowledge on straight SMACK awesome content that you for keeping this piece up over the course of more than ten years at this point, I do appreciate being able to learn from is classic videos in a sit through start to finish and this was just that. Thank you BuddhismPsychology!
Actually finding out that Panic Attacks were common helped me tremendously in my teens. Realizing I wasn't going crazy, and knowing it was fairly common helped. I would get them without any discernible trigger also, so I couldn't figure out what was causing them. Come to find out, I was completely unaware of underlying stress, is that I apparently have a high tolerance for it, that this stress was building up which resulted in a release all at once. Before I would have a Panic Attack just wondering if I would have a Panic Attack. I finally got all of that under control, but being aware of what was happening surely helped me get to a place of no more Panic Attacks and much more.
I was nodding my head in approval and adoration during this whole presentation.
I'll never not look at my ignored and cluttered desk the same.
Same.
I'm really encouraged to see that this kind of stuff is viewed so much. This stuff is incredibly useful and interesting
I feel dumb because a lot of the words he uses I haven't heard or have seldom heard. At the same time given the context most are easy enough to interoperate. I've seen other comments on here saying what I'm thinking, that I couldn't really explain in detail what I've learned from this lecture but I know he has been talking about a lot of the things I have wondered about as a child/teen. Phycology is such an interesting field, offering an alternate way of looking at life and people, that has always been there behind the guise of everyday life. Humans are extraordinary. I truly believe our intelligence will prevail in the end and we can find a way to all live harmoniously. Take care of yourselves, and your neighbors.
OMGoodness! You were actually talking about me 12 years ago; except that I had 4 brothers & 4 sisters. This is what I think is important enough to share with my two sons, they have a right to know. I have to keep writing until I’m done.. but first I have to make my way to Alaska. That expanded more purpose to my goal.. Thank you.
Wow, ive listened to Jordan for more than an hour now. I just realized that this video is almost over and i actually said to myself, under my breath, "aww, damn." Lol. Thats really something.
They changed something in the matrix several times during his presentation...
Ha!
Nice reference 😏
I thought I was going crazy
I noticed this too.
a ‘glitch in the matrix’ perhaps! ;)
"The family systems people localize pathology in the family, and they think about the individual as a unit in a dynamical system that's composed of the family. And I have clients who are no way near insane as their family is--but they're the people who've been targeted with mental illness, because that's convenient for everyone involved. Right? It's really annoying if all six of you are crazy because, you know, you're never gonna get out of that. So its often convenient to identify the noisiest complainer as the psychopathological individual and to scapegoat them. Then of course they look like they're ill too, because they're so bloody stressed that they fall apart in four different ways. But the locale of the problem isn't actually in them, even though they're part of the system that's not functioning properly. Even though you can make them feel better by giving them anti-depressants, well at least sometimes (and that's because they have non-specific effects)."
Yup. He's genius.
Well he suffers from depression and so does his daughter people stigmatized mental illness as "crazy" but some people are just moody to varied degrees for various reasons. Some people take after one parent more than another too which causes conflict I took more after my Father for example and my Mother resented that they split up when I was young too but still always the snide remarks about how philosophical I am and where did I get that from etc. Since I have two older brothers she probably expected her little girl to just go shopping and gossip with her and I had little interest in doing either I just liked listening to music and reading books more like Dad than her he built things and was more creative than her too.
Actually had to see if I had written this or not...spot on brother!
Holy shit............... I came to hear Jordan speak and wind up reading a passage about my family dynamic. I was diagnosed Manic-Depressive at 14, a few months after watching "One flew over the coo coo's nest!"
This sort of intense lecturing is very rare to see, whether in Academia or in the Pulpit. U.ofT. is very fortunate to have a man like Jordan Peterson. Unfortunately the Video Guy didn't even have the "focus" sharp enough, and then the editing had roughly 5 overlaps that repeated themselves. A guy like this deserves at least a competent Videographer.
It's a very old video, sharing it on youtube was never intended, there was no youtube then. At best a VHS copy might have been passed around the members of this professional group.
@49:00 this one minute of examples:
1. made me start laughing out loud in a formal office, as if I were listening to Dave Chappelle or Chris Rock live (but this is *not* comedy).
2. made me think, "Is this stuff in a handbook somewhere? That's the recipie my spouse deployed, which nearly erased me entirely."
3. Then expanded vertically, "Wait, that's my childhood, my father's upbringing-by-absence, the training making me suitable for endless abuse I'd misunderstand as a call to caretaking.
Wonderfully brilliant! Love JP's style of teaching. Pulls me in everytime. Like a great piece of music that never gets old.
Thank you always JP.
20:30 "Freud concentrated on psychopathology... Jung by contrast concentrated on individuation, which was form of moral development as a marker of mental health"
Thought I had heard most of Jordan's brilliance but somehow missed this one till now and it's infinitely useful. Thank you Jordan and TH-cam medium
I fucking love this man. What a speech. Never heard this.
Listen to it , and then the point he makes starting at 50:45...mind blown. The rest is even better.
I'm really amazed by him in one sense, and In another sense I also get vibes of a young George Carlin. That is not an insult, but a compliment because they both are people of exceptional character and strikingly similar thoughts about the universe despite their conclusions leading to starkly different places. Thankfully, Dr. Peterson doesn't go down the nihilistic route despite knowing all the limitations of human behavior.
Good point except George Carlin was hardly a nihilist.
The difference as i see it between the two personalities lies primarily in the belief, or lack thereof, in a higher power. Carlin was a died in the wool atheist and definitely showed hardcore nihilistic tendencies. Peterson maintains his connection to the mystery of the universe through his faith in God. But yes, i see your point. Their logic works in much the same way. Very dry and matter of fact. Cynical but forward thinking and ironic.
I agree with your clarification. It's why I appreciate Dr. J. Peterson so much. (One of the reasons, anyway.) I guess my only point being that I'm glad George Carlin spoke up on certain issues (war) at a time when most entertainers wouldn't go anywhere near the truths he was talking about. After all, though Carlin was hardly wealthy by Hollywood standards, he could have "enjoyed" just being a druggie, etc.and not doing HIS important work which reached lots of people at an important time. Thanks for your thoughtful response.
Imagine those two talking. Got dam
Watched a lot of Jordan Peterson youtube videos and this one has to be one of the best ones i've seen. I'm still considerably new to all his work but i found so many topics in this one profound and helpful.. Now, hopefully i can implement them and not forget immediately... Lol -.-
you're in for a ride... check transliminal 2014 interview too
this man is one of the greatest minds of our time and what an honor to be alive during his lifetime
His speaking and his making a talk and his point more easy to follow and to understand has improved 100% since this 2011 talk
I so agree with the statement about evolutionary psychology. If they do not understand a phenomenon they just make up stories of how that might be useful evolutionary, and because of that, you now have it. That doesn't answer the question about what's going on, it just makes a story for how it come to be, and not a explanation for how it works.
This is the Jordan Peterson I want back. I don't particularly care about Jordan Peterson the social icon. I want Jordan Peterson the powerhouse psychologist back. His perspective alongside his reputation and position is imperative, and I think he really could have a big impact on the world of psychology, instead of lowering himself to writing palatable self-help books.
The point on lying as a major cause of psychopathology is so true. Example: pathological narcissists, with their confabulations, embellishments and lying, and think about how others suffer from narcissistic abuse. Lying also eats narcissists from inside, hence their inescapable sense of inner emptiness.
Dr. Peterson has sought to take people out of the materialistic world and beyond the machine age realms of matter and to help them plumb the depths of meaning. He has done this brilliantly and has gone way beyond most to put his finger on some of the real issues of life.
As a psychologist he has been running up against the dysfunctions in humanity. He has diagnosed the problems of fallen man and done this beautifully. So now, by tragic necessity, he is being driven to address the virtues of life. But in doing so he has reached a threshold. He now realizes that there are still greater and more wonderful depths yet to be discovered.
As a psychologist Dr. Peterson sees the sad dysfunctions of humanity every day. He is understandably exasperated that these social ills still prevail while heroic and good people in the West have made it the best place to live on the planet. In a sense he has come to the crossroads.
Good decisions, diligence with the truth, discipline in personal life, all these virtues. We all want virtues in our society. But where is the wellspring of these much desired character traits? From whence come the graces that make our lives bearable? We can talk about these matters and the meaning of life all day and never achieve anything, unless, perhaps, we get help from outside of ourselves.
It is repeat of “a tale of two cities”. Is Dr. Peterson going to take French pathway of humanistic rationalism? Voltaire championed the Age of Reason and a clockwork universe without personal meaning. God was asked by the French to take a hike. After that He was nowhere to be found. All that was left was a nation taken off to war by Napoleon, national disaster, and an existential emptiness that led to “No exit”, sensualism, and the “theater of the absurd.”
So is Dr. Peterson going to take the way of the French? Or the way of the English speaking people with their awakenings? Will he take up his oratory on virtue, as did Robespierre, one of the rationalist Freemasonic orators of the godless French Revolution? Is he going to sell the seven steps to virtue forever, knowing that mankind without God cannot ever achieve character without a spirit to energize the psyche? And what happens if he makes a mis-step as he rides the wave of oratory and wipes out? What happens if he becomes exhausted and comes to the point of personal burnout? Will he be rejected or viewed as passe’ by the masses and the mobs in the streets? Will he be, (metaphorically speaking), sent to the guillotine, like Robespierre was when his oratory was given the thumbs down in the French Revolution?
Dr. Peterson and the psychological profession adopt a rationalist objective approach to the pathology of human thinking, feelings, and behavior. They look scientifically and objectively at what things go wrong in relationships. This leads them to consider the virtues and the graces on the other side of the equation.
Quite clearly Dr. Peterson is now surveying and measuring the rivers of life in God with the same diligence he surveyed the rivers of human dysfunction in the realms of the devil. So what is to be done with this data? How is he to proceed after doing this surveying of good and evil?
Two rivers lie before him. He has investigated them exhaustively. So what now? Is he going to make up His mind which one he is going to dive into?
Is it possible that he could do the radical thing and let go of his rationalistic objectivism? Only then would he be in a position to report his findings on the immersive existential experience in “the God who is there.” To do this he would have to let go of his Greek Aristotelian thinking. No longer would human reason and the sculpted. Image of “the thinker” be his ultimate god. No longer would humanism be the ultimate determinant of truth. To go up to the next level he would have to take that resolve to open the door.
Whether they be brilliant souls or humble souls, people eventually come to the end of themselves. In the interim they struggle. Many end up in depression, existential emptiness, addictions, or sensual pursuits. Many try to find personal fulfillment by joining the herd of programmed robotic humanistic beings and throw themselves into the perceived virtue of “social justice”. There in an atmosphere of mutual glorification they can seek self-fulfillment in lofty perturbations of groupthink. Some level of self-fulfillment can be gained in identifying with these power groups. But as Dr. Peterson has amply demonstrated, behind many of the social justice warrior is the heady power politics of Socialism.
Any socialism is a deadly way of thinking. Because it always falls short and it is always opposed and becomes bloody soon after it is politicized. International socialism, that grievous human folly, has killed upwards of 200 million people. And as Dr. Peterson points out, the tyranny of Communism began in the nice social justice discussions in the coffee shops of Paris.
So is humanistic political groupthink the only viable gathering to be found? And does the political arena set the limits for conversation and for human devotion? Both national socialism and international communism are out there begging for souls. Both of them ended in disaster. Now we have Socialist justice warriors stirring up the masses to cause further waves of grief. What else is there?
There is another choice. People can, and do, give themselves over to the personal real-time Living Logos, of John chapter 1. They surrender their lives to the despised Judeo-Christian God of the West, the God of the people of realms what were once called Western Christendom. That is always a radical thing to do. But it leads to a serendipity.
Human souls cry out in their time of need. At the very same time Someone is knocking at the door from the next dimension. Someone, should we let him in, can take us beyond ourselves. Is there a Someone in whom we can realize virtue personally, even show us and immerse us in the eternal rivers of life?
Is it possible that Dr. Peterson could take the baton from C.S. Lewis and go beyond? Could he, by God’s grace, break out into another role to take a grateful people beyond the current metaphysical oriental stalemate of the ying and the yang? Could his orations on virtue go beyond the mere generic wish-list of virtues to deliver within us the spiritual empowerment that makes these virtues a reality?
How the West needs a trailblazer who can help lead fallen man out of the swamps of psychological despair. Is there not a highway that leads upwards to greater glories? Do we not need faithful trailblazers to lead us into a genuine vital and truthful psychology? Might there be resource in the God of the West who beckons to us from the next dimension, even from an eternal realm beyond our self-life?
See
EndTimePilgrim.org/puritans12.htm
brilliant mind
This is so brilliant. I have contended much of this for years. When you have 298 disorders in DSM. There is something wrong with the entire system.
1:48
Exactly. It’s like some kind of deranged fractal nightmare, all spiraling out from a singular source…
The way I conceive it, there’s only one true “disorder.”
Our culture.
And the closer you identify with it, the more disordered you are as an individual.
1:00:00-1:10:00 - Absolutely gold information for everyone.
The problem with diagnosis sometimes is that it seems to be viewed as accurate even if it turns out to be wrong. 30 years ago everyone was bipolar and no one seem to make an investigation into personality, upbringing, traumatic events etc. Once you have been branded this illness or that, it's hard to get the medical community to reevaluate your diagnosis.
Besides, my experience has been that they want to treat you with pharmaceuticals no matter what the problem and sent you on your way.
Ive noticed during the past few years peoples disgnoses where i work can change as their behaviors etc change and the doctor can change it if he feels it needs to be changed.
When I see these old videos I can’t help but see Dr. JP’s digestive health issues back then. I feel sorry for ppl pushing through without diagnosis and relief.
This guy right here is UNBELIEVABLY SMART! Rare. VERY RARE.! Nature in its perfection.