I see you also have the Rupert Neve Centerpiece, nice! Do you use that for transport control via HUI alongside the Softube HUI? Is it possible to daisy chain the Rupert Neve via one of the USB C ports on the back of the Softube MK3 Fader or would they need to connect to 2 separate USB C ports on computer? Thanks for your time!
Well, here is an honest answer. I love the 5060. I use it as the center of everything, and the summing combined with Console 1 is amazing - especially with Fader. But when it comes to transport, I've hated every product I've used from Streamdeck to the 5060 to Faderport to x-touch and more...... I just don't think separate transport works great for me when I'm able to move so quickly around a session in any DAW with my QWERTY keyboard. But as to your other point, you would need a separate port on your computer since Fader will need to use the 2 ports (1 for power and 1 for connectivity to the CPU)
Thanks for sharing！It finally support in Pro Tools after I switch to Reaper hahahha.......One question: Why Pan mode is up to right and down to left? It is opposite to the automation line in most DAW. But anyway, looking foward to the fader!
Historically, I don’t know why it is set that way. One thing I like about Fader and pan in Pro Tools is that in Console 1 mode, writing automation of stereo tracks is super easy!
One question remains: Does this mean that when you select a track in Pro Tools, it will select that track on the console 1? (Even if you dont have the console 1 fader) I reeeaaallly need this in order to use my console 1 consistently with Pro Tools.
In HUI? No. Maybe something else in the future? The reason I say no is that groups of 8 tracks is a limitation of HUI control. This is similar to the same way EUCON controllers work. However, this is what I love about this product compared to a EUCON controller. We have the ability to flip into Console 1 mode to have the 10 track control when it is needed for mix tasks. So you get the best of both worlds. Pro Tools DAW control, but with the flexibility and speed of a modern 10 fader workflow when it is needed.
@@ToddUrban thanks for the reply. I ordered 4 of them the creat a full console. What about a transport / master section? I wonder if they will introduce one?
Hello Todd! I got today my Fader MkIII, now working together with my Channel MKIII but I'm not able to have the same workflow as you have in this video, still not matching colors on less or screen displays. I have the latest version of the firmware, not sure what I'm missing. Thanks for your time.
Remember that colors will only show in Console 1 mode. That’s a limitation of Pro Tools. When in HUI, you can control DAW faders, pan, and sends. And will this product you will get longer names, unlike a product like the UF8. But you won’t see the colors, as HUI doesn’t handle that.
@@ToddUrban Thanks Todd. Is this for Channel and Fader? I'm comparing with this video where you are using ProTools HUI for Fader and Channel has the colors in each lead working
@@Son-pd4cm HUI is only for Fader. So on Fader, you have 2 modes. In HUI, you will get the control, but not the colors. In C1 mode on Fader, you will see all the colors and get control of plug-in output volume and pan output. Channel doesn't have a HUI mode. It is always in Console 1 mode, even when Fader is in HUI mode.
I dont see how this is the “best” controller for Pro Tools. HUI cannot touch Eucon, an Avid dock and S1 will enable much tighter integration without so much parameter switching. For any other DAW perhaps it could have tight integration, but HUI within Pro Tools is decades old at this point and frankly just places this unit in the same bucket as countless other controllers that cannot integrate with PT via Eucon (Avid’s doing of course). I don’t see how you can tout this as the best controller for Pro Tools as a Pro Tools user. Maybe the best non Eucon controller for PT? Would be a matter of opinion of course. Nice walkthrough though.
I appreciate your comment and asking about this. Eucon has the most direct control due to the continued support by Avid of the Euphonix control protocol. However, it keeps you locked within one mode. The flexibility of having two different modes to me is a huge advantage since it opens up a lot of additional options that Eucon doesn’t offer since it is basically just a DAW controller. Plus the stability of these two modes is rock solid. But that’s also my opinion. I realize this isn’t an objective statement.
These 2 units (fader and console) are killer together, no doubt. But so would the SSL UC1 and UF8. If you opt to spend more cash you can add the UF1 with dedicated transport, toggle and assignable fader. All in is $2700 new however. SSL also has the 360 integration software which pushes this further for “total” control. The Avid dock and S1 can carry an inexpensive tablet each and allow for much more customization and hands on control. No need to switch modes back and forth which to my feable mind feels like switching off one side of my brain and fumbling around to turn on the other. Avid purposefully keeps Eucon to themselves unfortunately. The only other DAW that I have heard of that integrates nicely with this protocol is Logic. For any other DAW I think there is a wide array of excellent options. For PT however, Eucon dedicated surface is hard to beat. BTW I have seen S3’s going for $3k new in box, and as low as $1500 used in excellent condition.
Hi Todd I got the fader mk3 today its super I connected the fader to the console mk 3. In the softube window I activated cubase control in settings Do I still need to put the plugin for console mk3 on each slot in the DAW? Gr.Nes
No plug-in is needed with the new DAW control. However, realize it is in beta. So my personal opinion is to have fun working with it and experiencing what is coming. But a lot is still being tweaked with that control. So if you are working on a big project that you want to be 100% confident is working perfectly, the VST3 control might be best until the public release.
Well, with favorites mode, you can collapse your faders to show only the tracks you want to see. But you cannot rearrange tracks separately from the order in pro tools. You will always follow the DAW order. But you can always rearrange the DAW tracks and Console 1 will follow
Does this also control MIDI CC? The placement of the solo and mute buttons interferes with the fader...doesn't allow you to run your finger across through left and right to mute or solo a bunch. I have and I am selling the U series by SSL...at least Console one managed to get full pro tools names...SSL limits you to 4 characters only...not sure why, but I am moving to Eucon.
At this point, it isn’t midi CC assignable, but I know many people have requested it for an update, so let’s see…. Regarding track names, yeah, it is way better than generic HUI since you get many more characters.
As of now, you have 8 of the 10 faders available in HUI. However in Console 1 mode, you have all 10 available for working in that workflow or mixing with plugins from Channel.
Pro Tools is arranged for its control to be in banks of 8 faders. This is why all the Avid products are all in 8s. So while in Console 1 mode you do get the extended control, HUI mode will limit you to what Pro Tools allows. In other DAWs, all 10 faders are always in use.
Correct. In Pro Tools, Channel will control via Console 1 mode, which controls the plug-in (which makes sense since the majority of the product controls the processing). Fader is what will control DAW faders, pan, and sends when in PT HUI mode.
Your Console 1 Channel will still work perfectly. As for Fader, there have been many improvements, but if you want to control DAW faders, that is going to need HUI, which requires the new Fader Mk III unit to get it up and running. HUI integration is a hardware required feature for two reasons. The first is that the new units have a powerful internal processor and a MIDI jack that can communicate with HUI and 8 faders, while the older units were dedicated to communication to the OSD. But the second reason is that the screens are necessary to locate where you are and what you are controlling.(EDITED ON Sept 19 2024 for clarity)
@@ToddUrban thanks for responding, I like the Console 1 system. I’ll probably upgrade to the newer version at some point…. What are people doing with there old gear ? I hope softube offers to but back mk2 towards mk3 again… can’t reuse the stand either… oh well this is certainly an expensive hobby for me…
@@Nobox-eg7qudepending on your location, there are some limited time upgrade trade-in paths I’ve seen. But I’m also keeping my old units. They still work and are more portable. So they will become my travel units in the meantime.
I agree that for generic Pro Tools mapping EUCON has the most immediate implementation. But just curious, did you watch the video? The C1 layer goes way beyond the capabilities of EUCON. The workflow of being able to favorite tracks and work at the stem level and switch back to tracks is game changing. (Of course the plugin level control is something that you can’t get 1:1 with Euphonix control)
a lot better than in the past but compared to other DAWS, Avid really needs to open up PT to softube in a real way... as always Avid rests on their name instead of trying to be as competitive as possible.
I agree that I’d love to see a 10 fader style control in PT like there is in Logic and Cubase. But not even EUCON supports a workflow like that. So for now, this is still the best of both worlds.
@@ToddUrban yeah i’m not sure how they’ve done it with Cubase/Logic/Studio One/Reaper and now even Luna… i’m not sure whether it’s due to collaboration with those companies, or something softube is able to use in their coding, but PT having the same easy plug and play integration would be massive I think for both Avid and Softube.
No it sure ain't! With the sole exception of the Taptic Faders feature, any EUCON powered control surface outperforms it by miles. t's no better than any other MCU/HUI powered surface! How much are Softube paying you to simp for them?
Actually, this is my personal channel and I almost never put Softube related content on here. You didn’t see me mention this on the previous fader unit. ;) But this new one is a different story. Have you tried it yet compared to an S1/S3/Artist Mix? Just curious since I have. To me the ability to work in both modes is essential. You have a ton more flexibility than you do with Eucon., as well as stability in terms of connectivity. Though I will agree that off the bat, Eucon will have deeper integration due to the Euphonix protocol that is implemented by Avid. But being able to control deep parameters such as 3rd party plugins with the speed you can with C1 Mixing System is not something Eucon can touch. Also being able to move as quickly through track counts in banks of 10, rather than in 8s is essential when I have sessions of over 100 tracks.
@@ToddUrban So, this is your personal channel? What gives you the illusion that that means that you can spread lies and missinformation uncontested? You claim that the Softube Fader is THE BEST Pro Tools Controller. This is a bold claim that is, objectively, untrue (i.e. false). There is nothing that a Softube controller can do, that any other MCU/HUI powered controllers can't do. At the same time, there are lots of things that any EUCON powered controller can do, that no MCU/HUI powered controller can't. The Softube controller is thus not the best, it's average at best! People watching your channel should know that you're spreading false BS!
I see you also have the Rupert Neve Centerpiece, nice! Do you use that for transport control via HUI alongside the Softube HUI? Is it possible to daisy chain the Rupert Neve via one of the USB C ports on the back of the Softube MK3 Fader or would they need to connect to 2 separate USB C ports on computer? Thanks for your time!
Well, here is an honest answer. I love the 5060. I use it as the center of everything, and the summing combined with Console 1 is amazing - especially with Fader. But when it comes to transport, I've hated every product I've used from Streamdeck to the 5060 to Faderport to x-touch and more......
I just don't think separate transport works great for me when I'm able to move so quickly around a session in any DAW with my QWERTY keyboard. But as to your other point, you would need a separate port on your computer since Fader will need to use the 2 ports (1 for power and 1 for connectivity to the CPU)
Thanks for sharing！It finally support in Pro Tools after I switch to Reaper hahahha.......One question: Why Pan mode is up to right and down to left? It is opposite to the automation line in most DAW. But anyway, looking foward to the fader!
Historically, I don’t know why it is set that way. One thing I like about Fader and pan in Pro Tools is that in Console 1 mode, writing automation of stereo tracks is super easy!
One question remains: Does this mean that when you select a track in Pro Tools, it will select that track on the console 1? (Even if you dont have the console 1 fader)
I reeeaaallly need this in order to use my console 1 consistently with Pro Tools.
Exactly. You need Fader Mk III for HUI, but the new update gets you perfect track following in PT from Console 1 Channel
Do you think we will get an update that will give us the capability to control 10 tracks?
In HUI? No. Maybe something else in the future? The reason I say no is that groups of 8 tracks is a limitation of HUI control. This is similar to the same way EUCON controllers work. However, this is what I love about this product compared to a EUCON controller. We have the ability to flip into Console 1 mode to have the 10 track control when it is needed for mix tasks. So you get the best of both worlds. Pro Tools DAW control, but with the flexibility and speed of a modern 10 fader workflow when it is needed.
@@ToddUrban thanks for the reply. I ordered 4 of them the creat a full console.
What about a transport / master section?
I wonder if they will introduce one?
@DrayClay nice. 4 of them will look and feel amazing. Yes, I’d love to see a transport/automation product as an add on at some point. :)
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Hello Todd!
I got today my Fader MkIII, now working together with my Channel MKIII but I'm not able to have the same workflow as you have in this video, still not matching colors on less or screen displays. I have the latest version of the firmware, not sure what I'm missing.
Thanks for your time.
Remember that colors will only show in Console 1 mode. That’s a limitation of Pro Tools. When in HUI, you can control DAW faders, pan, and sends. And will this product you will get longer names, unlike a product like the UF8. But you won’t see the colors, as HUI doesn’t handle that.
@@ToddUrban Thanks Todd. Is this for Channel and Fader? I'm comparing with this video where you are using ProTools HUI for Fader and Channel has the colors in each lead working
@@Son-pd4cm HUI is only for Fader. So on Fader, you have 2 modes. In HUI, you will get the control, but not the colors. In C1 mode on Fader, you will see all the colors and get control of plug-in output volume and pan output. Channel doesn't have a HUI mode. It is always in Console 1 mode, even when Fader is in HUI mode.
I dont see how this is the “best” controller for Pro Tools. HUI cannot touch Eucon, an Avid dock and S1 will enable much tighter integration without so much parameter switching. For any other DAW perhaps it could have tight integration, but HUI within Pro Tools is decades old at this point and frankly just places this unit in the same bucket as countless other controllers that cannot integrate with PT via Eucon (Avid’s doing of course). I don’t see how you can tout this as the best controller for Pro Tools as a Pro Tools user. Maybe the best non Eucon controller for PT? Would be a matter of opinion of course. Nice walkthrough though.
I appreciate your comment and asking about this.
Eucon has the most direct control due to the continued support by Avid of the Euphonix control protocol. However, it keeps you locked within one mode. The flexibility of having two different modes to me is a huge advantage since it opens up a lot of additional options that Eucon doesn’t offer since it is basically just a DAW controller. Plus the stability of these two modes is rock solid. But that’s also my opinion. I realize this isn’t an objective statement.
@@ToddUrban How about add Eucon mode in Console 1 fader? That will great to ArtistMix user who want a better fader controller!
@Hsuanice adding Eucon would need to come directly from Avid, not from Softube. So…. ;)
@@ToddUrbanI get it......
These 2 units (fader and console) are killer together, no doubt. But so would the SSL UC1 and UF8. If you opt to spend more cash you can add the UF1 with dedicated transport, toggle and assignable fader. All in is $2700 new however. SSL also has the 360 integration software which pushes this further for “total” control. The Avid dock and S1 can carry an inexpensive tablet each and allow for much more customization and hands on control. No need to switch modes back and forth which to my feable mind feels like switching off one side of my brain and fumbling around to turn on the other.
Avid purposefully keeps Eucon to themselves unfortunately. The only other DAW that I have heard of that integrates nicely with this protocol is Logic. For any other DAW I think there is a wide array of excellent options. For PT however, Eucon dedicated surface is hard to beat. BTW I have seen S3’s going for $3k new in box, and as low as $1500 used in excellent condition.
Hi Todd I got the fader mk3 today its super
I connected the fader to the console mk 3.
In the softube window I activated cubase control in settings
Do I still need to put the plugin for console mk3 on each slot in the DAW? Gr.Nes
No plug-in is needed with the new DAW control. However, realize it is in beta. So my personal opinion is to have fun working with it and experiencing what is coming. But a lot is still being tweaked with that control. So if you are working on a big project that you want to be 100% confident is working perfectly, the VST3 control might be best until the public release.
@@ToddUrban ❤
Can you assign certain tracks from ProTools to specific fader on Console1?
Well, with favorites mode, you can collapse your faders to show only the tracks you want to see. But you cannot rearrange tracks separately from the order in pro tools. You will always follow the DAW order. But you can always rearrange the DAW tracks and Console 1 will follow
Does this also control MIDI CC?
The placement of the solo and mute buttons interferes with the fader...doesn't allow you to run your finger across through left and right to mute or solo a bunch. I have and I am selling the U series by SSL...at least Console one managed to get full pro tools names...SSL limits you to 4 characters only...not sure why, but I am moving to Eucon.
At this point, it isn’t midi CC assignable, but I know many people have requested it for an update, so let’s see….
Regarding track names, yeah, it is way better than generic HUI since you get many more characters.
Can i see same color track in my console 1 fader ?
In C1 mode, yes, since the color is gathered by the plugin. In HUI mode, you don’t as of now since the info is sent by Pro Tools.
Are the two remaining faders to the far right rendered useless in PT? Can one of them be assigned as a master fader?
As of now, you have 8 of the 10 faders available in HUI. However in Console 1 mode, you have all 10 available for working in that workflow or mixing with plugins from Channel.
Why don’t the last two faders ever do anything when not in plugin mode?
Pro Tools is arranged for its control to be in banks of 8 faders. This is why all the Avid products are all in 8s. So while in Console 1 mode you do get the extended control, HUI mode will limit you to what Pro Tools allows. In other DAWs, all 10 faders are always in use.
I’m trying to use sends and faders with Channel only in Pro Tools, but it seems like it don’t work.
Correct. In Pro Tools, Channel will control via Console 1 mode, which controls the plug-in (which makes sense since the majority of the product controls the processing). Fader is what will control DAW faders, pan, and sends when in PT HUI mode.
@ thanks so much for the info
Can I use Mk2 Console 1 and Fader with pro tools or do I need to upgrade to MK3 console and Fader... what should i do with my Mk2 equipment ...
Your Console 1 Channel will still work perfectly. As for Fader, there have been many improvements, but if you want to control DAW faders, that is going to need HUI, which requires the new Fader Mk III unit to get it up and running. HUI integration is a hardware required feature for two reasons. The first is that the new units have a powerful internal processor and a MIDI jack that can communicate with HUI and 8 faders, while the older units were dedicated to communication to the OSD. But the second reason is that the screens are necessary to locate where you are and what you are controlling.(EDITED ON Sept 19 2024 for clarity)
Altered my response above for clarity.
@@ToddUrban thanks for responding, I like the Console 1 system. I’ll probably upgrade to the newer version at some point…. What are people doing with there old gear ? I hope softube offers to but back mk2 towards mk3 again… can’t reuse the stand either… oh well this is certainly an expensive hobby for me…
@@Nobox-eg7qudepending on your location, there are some limited time upgrade trade-in paths I’ve seen. But I’m also keeping my old units. They still work and are more portable. So they will become my travel units in the meantime.
@@ToddUrban would console 1 mk2 work with fader mk3? Or the other way around console 1 mk3 with fader mk2?
Can’t be the best for Pro Tools utilizing HUI. That protocol is too limited compared to EUCON.
I agree that for generic Pro Tools mapping EUCON has the most immediate implementation. But just curious, did you watch the video? The C1 layer goes way beyond the capabilities of EUCON. The workflow of being able to favorite tracks and work at the stem level and switch back to tracks is game changing. (Of course the plugin level control is something that you can’t get 1:1 with Euphonix control)
a lot better than in the past but compared to other DAWS, Avid really needs to open up PT to softube in a real way... as always Avid rests on their name instead of trying to be as competitive as possible.
I agree that I’d love to see a 10 fader style control in PT like there is in Logic and Cubase. But not even EUCON supports a workflow like that. So for now, this is still the best of both worlds.
@@ToddUrban yeah i’m not sure how they’ve done it with Cubase/Logic/Studio One/Reaper and now even Luna… i’m not sure whether it’s due to collaboration with those companies, or something softube is able to use in their coding, but PT having the same easy plug and play integration would be massive I think for both Avid and Softube.
No it sure ain't! With the sole exception of the Taptic Faders feature, any EUCON powered control surface outperforms it by miles. t's no better than any other MCU/HUI powered surface!
How much are Softube paying you to simp for them?
Actually, this is my personal channel and I almost never put Softube related content on here. You didn’t see me mention this on the previous fader unit. ;)
But this new one is a different story.
Have you tried it yet compared to an S1/S3/Artist Mix? Just curious since I have. To me the ability to work in both modes is essential. You have a ton more flexibility than you do with Eucon., as well as stability in terms of connectivity. Though I will agree that off the bat, Eucon will have deeper integration due to the Euphonix protocol that is implemented by Avid. But being able to control deep parameters such as 3rd party plugins with the speed you can with C1 Mixing System is not something Eucon can touch. Also being able to move as quickly through track counts in banks of 10, rather than in 8s is essential when I have sessions of over 100 tracks.
@@ToddUrban So, this is your personal channel? What gives you the illusion that that means that you can spread lies and missinformation uncontested?
You claim that the Softube Fader is THE BEST Pro Tools Controller. This is a bold claim that is, objectively, untrue (i.e. false). There is nothing that a Softube controller can do, that any other MCU/HUI powered controllers can't do. At the same time, there are lots of things that any EUCON powered controller can do, that no MCU/HUI powered controller can't.
The Softube controller is thus not the best, it's average at best! People watching your channel should know that you're spreading false BS!