@@jackashmore They don't call it a "World War" for no reason lmao. Yeah, there were MANY axis minor powers that were essentially bullied by the "big three" Japan basically forced-conscripted a bunch of Korean, Manchurian Chinese, and people from the Indochina area. WWII debate the technical start of WWII. Some saying the Spanish Civil War was the start in 1932, some say it was the annexations that Italy and a little earlier, Japan did in 1936, but generally people believe it started with the Invasion of Poland and Belgium in 1938. Hence why I have been saying that at the minimum "The Second Cold War" started in 2021 with the Invasion of Ukraine, at maximum we have been in WWIII since 2021.
Fun Fact: The Gyrojet was ALMOST used in star trek instead of phasers, but the show runners decided it would be cheaper and more easy to handwave a non-lethal option on an entirely fictional weapon. They did inspire the 40k boltor though.
The Gyrojet lineup is also availible in Battletech as infantry/anti-personnel mount weapons. They even expanded on the concept by making the default ammunition explosive-tipped, and introducing guided rounds as an alternate ammo type.
Notably the 40k bolter takes the idea of the gyrojet and goes the extra mile of making the projectile itself have a timed warhead, whereas the gyrojet pistols and carbines simply used the propellant for extra stability on firing. Meanwhile in the grim darkness of the 41st millenium, even a bolt pistol is basically a .15 to .20 caliber grenade rifle, if I recall the measurements right. Heavy Bolters essentially operate like rocket-propelled Grenade MGs found in New Vegas.
@GiselleGauthier the citation that the person who wrote that bit of the wiki page is: "Paramount Pictures, Correspondence, vol. XIX, p. 1309." Though that person doesn't seem to understand what a carbine is or where a rifle gets its name from, so who knows how true it is.
@@whensomethingcriesagain The fucked up part is that I realize what the makeshift shotgun is trying to be, and it's just a shitty Shambler that's missing half the parts because the modeller didn't understand the mechanics of it, you can tell because of the big-ass spring on the barrel.
Mike actually pointed out (14:16) one of the very first realizations that German tacticians had when experimenting with infantry doctrine using the STG-44. Assault rifles essentially turn every rifleman into a machine gunner.
The Germans developed a very narrow set of tactics around getting the most out of them. Mainly: on the offensive, supress the shit out of something with MGs while the 16 guys armed with stgs come out of concealment at close range and overwhelm them with single aimed fire, unless ordered to fire in full auto (officially), and grenades. Or, on the defensive, be held in reserve to counter attack the enemy's main body of advance. STG units had although less MGs per unit, grouped them together. Germany's Assault Rifle Platoon: Revolutionizing Infantry Firepower - Teaching Tactics by Digital Battlefield Tours is a pretty good video on the subject.
The main reason the STG-44 was delayed in production is weird and explains Hitler pet peeves of paranoia. Basically the prototype was made in an odd year and had an odd caliber of ammunition. Hitler believed that odd numbers were unlucky and unrealistic. You can tell when select guns were made depending on the caliber and how many bullets fit in a clip or magazine. In 1944 the general actually lied about the gun holding 32 per magazine.
Also American fire and maneuver doctrine for riflemen with Garands. Obviously an mg is better for keeping heads down than riflemen, but because Americans had semiauto rifles where other countries didn’t was a reason behind having riflemen lay down suppressive fire while the other element would flank and close in on the enemy
@@jcs8568 Everyone else had the rifleman support the MG, Americans had the MG support the rifleman. America had a fetish with rapid advancement of the individual rifleman and squad level maneuvers. Only for those rifleman and squads more often than not to get pinned down by superior firepower and go nowhere because of the disparity in firepower and need the platoon or company assets to bail them out. Tactics ahead of the technology.
Recently, I was in a discord call with a friend of mine who was playing Tarkov. I spent 4 hours going through a bunch of stuff with him and explaining different things to him. I now know how Zach feels every time he does one of these
Yeah I do the same thing and when cod vanguard released my friend played and I refused to download cuz yknow _vanguard_ I watched him play and he had a really fucked up gun and I had to explain to him why I physically recoiled at the sight of his M1 garand.
I don’t know why but I’ve always thought that if you put Brandon Herrera and Zach in the same room we would have the greatest gun rant of all time. But that’s just me.
Gun fact #2: The gyro jet weapon line was designed for space combat. They have no recoil and accelerate after leaving the barrel so there is no backwards inertia
Speaking of buzzsaw, I remember a story my great grandfather once told when he was fighting in WW2, he used to be a combat engineer and machine gunner, so he had a lot of experience with the MG34, and he said that the tactic his squad used was to fire full auto and sweep the butt in an arc for a cone of suppressive fire, and since 8mm Mauser is a full power rifle cartridge, this would turn anyone who stepped in front of him into Swiss cheese. So when they got the MG42, the speed of the sweep didn't change at first, but because the MG34 fires at 800 rounds per second, and the early MG42s at 1500, it meant that anyone shot by them would get _cut in half_ by machine gun fire.
Meanwhile the Rainier AK looks like something the richest person and the poorest person would make together. Full of the highest tech... On the shoddiest piece of wood known to man.
i mean they did play dust and suffered for it (cuz they played it wrong) but going into "junkies figth for human meat with the shittiest guns known to man in a desolate piece of sand; the videogame" and expecting a good outcome in the good guns department probably was dumber
Wait a second, aren't YOU a mod author for weapons? I've see some of your stuff for Fallout 4 Really patting yourself on the back, huh? But seriously yeah, props to the mod authors, especially the ones who make good quality stuff
17:48 if you thought that was impressive, the Maxim gun is still seeing limited service in the Russo-Ukranian war. They had a couple in stock that were still functional and still had ammo for it, so Ukraine put them back into active duty. A weapon that first entered production in *1884* is still doing the same job its always had. Because in that limited role, static defence, the Maxim gun is still just as much a threat it was back then. As long as you dont care about having to move it around afterwards, its still holding up against weapons more than a century younger than it
it's a water cooled gun so it does not overheat as rapidly as a air cooled gun and the added weight of the full wat jacked and tripod help make the recoil quite manageable
What is weirder is when you find colt-45’s and select Winchester repeaters in Ukraine. The Ukrainians are finding a lot of American guns off of dead Russian commanders especially from the 1870’s to the 1910’s. Turns out Stalin gave away cowboy timed guns to officers he like and a lot more were ironically given out once he died. A lot of Russian officers kept these guns post Cold War and have either gave it to their grand children or awarded it to officers they trained for today. A Russian commander In southern Ukraine was using a prototype 1895 American bolt action rifle to shoot at civilians. He was killed by a cardboard suicide drone. Now the Ukrainian commander is using that rifle to shoot at Russians from that Russian squad. The funniest thing is there was a Russian tank commander that pull a 1885 rotating Gatling gun in replace of his RPK. The tank was destroyed but the gun is still intact but under water in the Black Sea.
11:38 One of the coolest battlefeild details. Since some gunner models don't have gloves, the animations have your guy use a spent casing to extract the barrel on the MG42.
@@Arccharger448 i also remade the baja campaign rifle in mwii and could remake it in mwiii (dont have mw2 installed rn) to show it off, id say its pretty faithful to the source material. That and its absolutely nuts in cod as well lol, cant stop the Stoner
The makeshift shotgun at 31:12 is most likely a recreation of the Uboinik (or Shambler) from the game Metro 2033. That weapon does have a legit chamber but it also has 5 clamps that can hold additional shells. After a shot is fired, the clamps rotate like a revolver's cylinder and another shell is loaded into the chamber. The reason for the shells being exposed as well as the huge spring over the barrel is that the gun was made from scraps in the metro tunnels under post-apocalyptic Moscow. Metro 2033 has some other neat makeshift firearms like the Bastard carbine and the Tikhar air gun that Zach would find interesting. The game's quite good, too.
@@Spootprime doubt that its meant to look like the laser musket. Dust was released 9 months before FO4, so outside of any potential trailer or teaser occurrences of the laser musket, it would be impossible to use FO4 as inspiration
OK So hear me out here. They make a companion model for Anne to join Zach- and maybe even Mike, too- in either NV or 4 and her default gun is the Pancor Jackhammer. She innocently asks what the heck is a Pancor Jackhammer is and no matter how many times Zach throws it away, the gun keeps coming back to her as it's her default weapon.
Feels weird as a British person recognising things with guns that are clearly about to trigger Zach before Mike does... personally, I suspect Mike is playing out a gun illiterate persona (M4 and M9 excluded from his Maribe water purification days) to heighten the chemistry / tension in their duo. Which to be fair is the reason we love your videos! Alone, you guys are good. As a duo; you play off one another so well. Always look forward to gun rants and campfire stories!
6:57 Zach losing his mind upon spotting the MG42 like a little kid spotting his a toy gun at the store is so heartwarming and wholesome. And then he talked about doing these things with MGs 9:56. I love it when Zach talks about WW1 and WW2 guns and fawns over them.
Can we get a Zach’s kitbash hell compilation? Learning about how the actual guns are great, but him losing his mind as to how someone jammed tab A into slot T and it working as intended is so much fun.
@@ihatemylyfe1764 Nobody but me seemed to think it was funny that know one else in the Brigade knew how to operate a AGS-30 so the guys going to work with the Ukrainians post 2014. You know if treat me toddler and not functionally retarded19yo dipshit who dropped out of free ride through law school to jump out of planes for $204 week, I will exploit your underestimation of me and act like it. "Chief do you remember when you thought I was just a lazy pos CFL, now look what's happened and where that's brought you. To me." Believe the response was "I will take a stripe and send your ass to be a Mech Coy stores 2IC if you don't take up space on that plane"
The US actually had their training video on the MG42 put a lot of focus on the barrel change, it gives you a 5 second window in which to act before all hell breaks loose again, so your can pop the gunner with a rifle shot or advance up to cover that's closer to your target.
if I remember correctly a machine gun squad was 4 men the Gunner 2 assistant Gunners and a rifleman for support so it wouldn't be that easy to take them out
Fun fact, during WW1 the British would indiscriminately shoot their water cooled machine guns at the German lines till the water in the case boiled, then pour the water out and make tea
That weird kitbash over-under shotgun's receiver and stock are from one of my favorite weapons in the game, the Recharger Rifle, which is a rare spawn n Bright Follower corpses, I believe. It's a weird, unique laser rifle that uses something called "MF breeder" cells that basically give it infinite ammo, it just needs a few seconds to recharge after draining the charged shots. It's got a really fun retro future model with glass tubes that flash yellow whenever it fires. People like to call it weak, but with the ight energy weapon build and a jury rigging perk to smash regular laser weapons into it for repairs, the infinite recharging ammo makes it absolutely busted overpowered if you know how to use it and make effective use of cover when it recharges.
Thing is the pistol version is better in many regards, and the Hyperbreeder unique pistol incredibly so. Also, tons of merchants sell full-condition laser pistols.
Ah yes the mg 42 fun to shoot not so fun to carry. Had it when i was in the Austrian millitary and the cleaning is horror. We had 3 barrels, 1 extra trigger system, 1 kevlar glove, 1 special tool. 2x 50 mags 2x 100 box. We where 2 guys in 1 team mg1 and mg2, 1 being shooter 2 carrier. If your unlucky and one gets out of combat (sick or "shot") you can do all of it on your own.
Fun fact: The Owen Gun was designed by Evelyn Owen in '31 and finalised in '38 before the outbreak of WWII. When Evelyn submitted his design (not his father), the Australian military rejected it in favour of waiting for the Sten gun. In '40, just before deploying to the Middle East, Evelyn talked to the manager of a local Lysaght plant about his design. With an interest in his design, he was then transferred to the Central Inventions Board and began to manufacture the Owen gun in '41. In testing, it was found that not only did the Owen gun design prove to be a highly reliable design that was resistant to jamming due to dirt and mud (Even if it were to enter the weapon), it proved to be more accurate than both the Sten and the Thompson.
The pancor jackhammer is actually featured in fallout 2 as an endgame weapon that enclave uses. This means that evil zach is an enclave member that LOVES the pancor jackhammer.
10:17 That is something that I've seen done in an old anime - with an MG42 no less - and so it's weird to hear Zach has done that IRL while an MG42 is on the screen (even if Zach didn't commit arborcide with it)
@@larsthedude1984 the 2005 OVA for Kino's Journey, titled "To Do Something -Life Goes On-" It's a sorta flashback episode detailing the titular character's early life being trained by a gunslinging master. And then follows Kino's first solo journey to inform the kin of someone who gave his life protecting her, (Which was covered in episode 4 of the original 2003 anime adaptation). Just including those details so if you happen to watch it, you're not left confused on details it assumes you know.
Interesting fact: in 1906 Georg Luger designed and patented a Self-Loading rifle called the Selbstlader 1906 rifle that took advantage of one of his famous creations: the Luger pistols Toggle-Lock firing mechanism but Scaled up to accept 7.92x57mm rifle ammunition. however since a very few of them were Made, the information Available on the Gun is VERY Limited. Of the Few Prototypes that were manufactured by Luger, only ONE is left in existence and from what I know, The Selbstlader 1906 Rifle is preserved and protected in a Private collection somewhere. Its a Shame it never got past the prototype stage :( Also: The makers of the Battlefield series DICE actually got permission to take Careful measurements of the gun itself, and from those measurements, we Gamers could use the Rifle in Battlefield 1 and 5.
BF1 was great for exactly this reason, seeing and using stuff that barely exists or has been lost to time. A shame that games like the new Modern Warfare trilogy have gone the route of completely botching Guns into stuff that sometimes wouldn't even work irl.
@Kanoinoo true while some cod games did add obscure guns that did exist and others were concepts that never reached production like ww2's SDK 9mm which was a supposed internally suppressed carbine for the german secret police, and the japanese Tokyo arsenal submachine gun which was made and was meant for defense of the home islands and was made in very limited numbers. But I agree in modern cod and MW games takes modifying guns to a horrifying degree and never really adding these interesting weapons, but to be honest it's better not seeing them cursed by attachments then them being added.
@@Tundraviper41oh yeah apparently that 9mm carbine was a passion project made by some cia dude in the 70's who was a NOTORIOUS LIAR and a criminal double agent pretty much so do with that info what you will
To be fair, I think the designer of either the Gatling gun or the Maxim gun demonstrated it to the military and other interested parties by chopping down an oak tree with it so Zach was recreating history.
18:06 Funny thing about the Gyrojet Carbine if it fires like the the Gyrojet Pistol, that where most conventional weapons have a hammer that strikes a firing pin that moves to hit the primer at the back of the bullet casing, the Gyrojet's hammer is positioned that it strikes the 'nose' of the round forcing it back against a stationary firying pin, and when the fuel is ignited and the jet moves, it pushes the hammer out of the way to be reset.
Fun fact about the mg3: it has a slower firerate (Down to 800rpm from 1000 AFAIK) and heavier bolt compared to it's predecessor, for the simple reason that it helps conserve and stretch out ammo reserves. Seems like a downgrade, but according to a drill seargent back in the Austrian Army, "When Ivan's on the wrong side of the Danube, we ain't getting resupplied, we got to make every bullet count."
While i am no expert, i think the MG42 had its rof reduced due to jamming and stoppages with it's insane rate of fire, so it often actually had a similar rof to the mg3, but again, i may be wrong, or it may have been a very late war thing, or something like that, i am not 100% sure.
Warhammer 40,000's iconic boltguns are based on the gyrojet concept. Supposedly, in 40k's early years, they were just giant machine guns, but as Games Workshop developed the universe more, they changed the way they functioned while retaining their oversized visual design.
You can also get a around the quick-change barrel by making the barrel water-cooled, but those are really only viable on fixed emplacements near a steady supply of water so you don't have to worry about depleting the water supplies of the attached troops nor about transporting water over long distances.
24:13 To make the "Cross Machine Gun" even more cursed, I'm pretty sure the sounds for it is pulled from Call of Duty: World at War's MP-40. A virtual WW2 American SMG that uses sounds from a virtual WW2 German SMG. I only recognize the sound cause I played alot of WaW multiplayer back in the day and all the sweats ran the MP-40 nonstop.
I adore the original “Zach’s Gun Rants,” and I often listen to them on my way to and from work. Adding more installments to this dynamic debate is an absolute delight! Never stop ranting, Zach!
Whenever I would shoot my laptop review videos, I keep this playing in the background. If you notice some shaky shots in any of them, it's because I was laughing at how frustrated Zach is with videogame firearms. Best series so far-- the MRE reviews are a close second!
Now that I work at a gun store/range, and apprentice at a gunsmith, I not relate to Zach’s anger towards various people, but I’ve also found myself recognizing random components and gun parts.
My favorite MG42 story is from one of the poor sods manning the Normandy defense line. Like an hour into the D-Day landings he turns to his assistant gunner who says "Alright, we've got 150 left." and he's all like "What happened to the bunker's stock?" and his AG just says "You shot it all, what the hell are we going to do now?"
With the MG-42 and it's pretty ridiculous rate of fire, the barrels were suggested to be swapped every ~300 rounds or every 2 full belts (depending on conditions, you could stretch it to 600). The number Zach mentioned of 2000-3000 rounds was more like an individual barrel's total lifespan, after which it would have to be gauged more frequently and then ultimately replaced when out of spec.
Wow! Just finished gun rants 5 and this shows up! Let me take the time to thank you Mike and Zach for the great content! Back on August 1st I had a small brain tumor removed, and your content helped me so much in keeping me sane. Also Zach, I love your rants and the information! I want to be an American History teacher and guns and America go hand in hand.
For people who want to know where the "Ace of Clubs" got inspired from, is that it going off the Exotic Handcannon "Ace of Spades" which is used by Cayde-6 and among many Guardians now in Destiny 1 and Destiny 2. And for the "Ace of Diamond" I have no clue what it going off of if people are going to ask. Sorry
Water cooled machine guns sometimes even had armour on their barrel shrouds. Whilst they can handle massive volumes of fire as long as there's water, if the water leaks the thin barrels overheat quickly. So some gun implacements in WW1 used extra armour to prevent that
I know he said "generally" but the bayonet on the end of a musket didn't make the musket any worse, but made it a whole lot better at stopping a cavalry charge, as it turned your musketeers into both musketeers, AND (emergency) pikemen.
That thing about water cooled machine guns reminds me of something I heard about the Vickers machine gun. Apparently in the trenches in WW1, the water going through the cooling system would end up at the perfect temperature to brew a pot of tea, which is just the most British thing ever. Of course, in Africa, where clean water was at a premium, they used a...less sanitary source of water.
There's also a Gyrojet carbine mod for Fallout 4 that models the bullets correctly. If you use VATS and get one of the slo-mo kill cams that follows the bullet, it's actually a gyrojet, that extends its fins out and spins, and you can see the propellant continuing to burn.
The Ace of Clubs is a reference to a series of guns in a western fabtasy, whose name i forget, where there are 54 guns, each corelate to a card in a deck plus two jokers, the red and black joker card. 2 being the lowest power, and Ace being the highest. Diamond is speed if i remember right, spades are trick shots, clubs are power, and hearts are accuracy. Each gun has its own abilities. One of my favorites is the three of clubs, also known as Cerberus, where you get three instakills against anything, except the joker wielders, and cannot die until you shoot all three, but if i remember right, you cant sleep, get drunk or really enjoy anything, and once you use your last shot youll die. My memory is hazy, but zach would love the western usa fantsy these guns are based in. The Ace of Clubs is a menace though
One of the big drawbacks of water-cooled MGs is that they are fucking heavy so you can't use it hand-held. And even then the water will start getting hot too so if you fire too much you will still need to pour the water out to pour in a new still cold one
Fun fact: The MG42 manual has a section explaining how a operator can and is allowed to, in a emergency, *hip fire the gun*. As in, this was officially sanctioned by the German Army technique for hip firing it.
23:00 Zach the stock and the weird receiver thingy, basically everything to the right of the barrel and the heat shield is taken from the Recharger Rifle
I think the weird makeshift revolver shotgun towards the end is *supposed* to be the uboinik/shambler from Metro. But like... On meth. Nothing's even close to right about it but I recognize the revolving shotgun shells and the coil around the barrel. Metro's guns are almost all homemade frankenstein monsters but the devs put a lot of effort into trying to make them be really realistic (Exodus does get a bit weirder with some of the parts). I'd actually love to see Zac react to the weapons of the series sometime though!
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Fun fact: the MG 42 was called Luluzinha by the Brazilians in Italy because it was almost as fast talking as the fiancée of one of the soldiers
Lol
Almost as fast? They I know why one of trose Brazilians went to war.
@@jekabsojarsulskis9740"War is hell, but not as much as my marriage is about to be."
I am today year old when I found Brazil had a role in WW2 and it was a key factor for reclaiming Italy
@@jackashmore
They don't call it a "World War" for no reason lmao.
Yeah, there were MANY axis minor powers that were essentially bullied by the "big three"
Japan basically forced-conscripted a bunch of Korean, Manchurian Chinese, and people from the Indochina area.
WWII debate the technical start of WWII. Some saying the Spanish Civil War was the start in 1932, some say it was the annexations that Italy and a little earlier, Japan did in 1936, but generally people believe it started with the Invasion of Poland and Belgium in 1938.
Hence why I have been saying that at the minimum "The Second Cold War" started in 2021 with the Invasion of Ukraine, at maximum we have been in WWIII since 2021.
Whenever I hear ‘Sten gun’ it’s always followed by my brain saying, in Mike’s voice, “Hi, I’m Stan, here’s my gun!”
It has corrupted us.
Fun fact: Sten is also a Swedish name. So it can be Sten's gun.
I read it in Gravity Falls Stan's voice, and I'm imagining during one of his marketing schemes, he makes a Stan Gun
@steelo5669 I heard it as "hi,I'm Stan,and here's my gun,I'm singing the Stan gun song"
Why does that sound familiar..?
Fun Fact: The Gyrojet was ALMOST used in star trek instead of phasers, but the show runners decided it would be cheaper and more easy to handwave a non-lethal option on an entirely fictional weapon. They did inspire the 40k boltor though.
The Gyrojet lineup is also availible in Battletech as infantry/anti-personnel mount weapons. They even expanded on the concept by making the default ammunition explosive-tipped, and introducing guided rounds as an alternate ammo type.
Notably the 40k bolter takes the idea of the gyrojet and goes the extra mile of making the projectile itself have a timed warhead, whereas the gyrojet pistols and carbines simply used the propellant for extra stability on firing. Meanwhile in the grim darkness of the 41st millenium, even a bolt pistol is basically a .15 to .20 caliber grenade rifle, if I recall the measurements right. Heavy Bolters essentially operate like rocket-propelled Grenade MGs found in New Vegas.
Do you have a source for this? I can't find one.
@GiselleGauthier the citation that the person who wrote that bit of the wiki page is: "Paramount Pictures, Correspondence, vol. XIX, p. 1309." Though that person doesn't seem to understand what a carbine is or where a rifle gets its name from, so who knows how true it is.
wait gyrojets are real!? i thought it was something silly that Gearbox made for Borderlands T_T
I feel like Mike finding out the Steyr AUG has a quick change barrel is going to break him.
haha Die Hard goe BRRRR
I remember the first time I watched Die Hard and I saw Karl assembling his Steyr AUG. I thought to myself "...wait, really?"
...Yup. Really really.
I want you two to play the Metro games and watch Zach rant about the homemade guns in them so badly.
At least the homemade guns in Metro kinda make sense, way more than something like the pipe guns for sure
Kinda being the word but yeah its a more serious setting, plus doesn't have an army of mad modders going to town on it. @@whensomethingcriesagain
@@whensomethingcriesagain
The fucked up part is that I realize what the makeshift shotgun is trying to be, and it's just a shitty Shambler that's missing half the parts because the modeller didn't understand the mechanics of it, you can tell because of the big-ass spring on the barrel.
@@yocapo32 I was about to say this. Nice to see a person who knows this too ^^
@@danilonakazone386
Now I'm wondering if it would be possible to kitbash a Shambler using only the weapons from NV.
Mike actually pointed out (14:16) one of the very first realizations that German tacticians had when experimenting with infantry doctrine using the STG-44. Assault rifles essentially turn every rifleman into a machine gunner.
The Germans developed a very narrow set of tactics around getting the most out of them. Mainly: on the offensive, supress the shit out of something with MGs while the 16 guys armed with stgs come out of concealment at close range and overwhelm them with single aimed fire, unless ordered to fire in full auto (officially), and grenades. Or, on the defensive, be held in reserve to counter attack the enemy's main body of advance. STG units had although less MGs per unit, grouped them together.
Germany's Assault Rifle Platoon: Revolutionizing Infantry Firepower - Teaching Tactics by Digital Battlefield Tours is a pretty good video on the subject.
@@devilin100will watch, thank you man!
The main reason the STG-44 was delayed in production is weird and explains Hitler pet peeves of paranoia. Basically the prototype was made in an odd year and had an odd caliber of ammunition. Hitler believed that odd numbers were unlucky and unrealistic.
You can tell when select guns were made depending on the caliber and how many bullets fit in a clip or magazine. In 1944 the general actually lied about the gun holding 32 per magazine.
Also American fire and maneuver doctrine for riflemen with Garands. Obviously an mg is better for keeping heads down than riflemen, but because Americans had semiauto rifles where other countries didn’t was a reason behind having riflemen lay down suppressive fire while the other element would flank and close in on the enemy
@@jcs8568 Everyone else had the rifleman support the MG, Americans had the MG support the rifleman. America had a fetish with rapid advancement of the individual rifleman and squad level maneuvers. Only for those rifleman and squads more often than not to get pinned down by superior firepower and go nowhere because of the disparity in firepower and need the platoon or company assets to bail them out. Tactics ahead of the technology.
Recently, I was in a discord call with a friend of mine who was playing Tarkov. I spent 4 hours going through a bunch of stuff with him and explaining different things to him. I now know how Zach feels every time he does one of these
I have it the same. Only thing is instead of guns I talk about cars and car parts. 😅😅
@@patrikpoldacar guys and gun guys are the same types of people, you just replace guns with cars
Yeah I do the same thing and when cod vanguard released my friend played and I refused to download cuz yknow _vanguard_ I watched him play and he had a really fucked up gun and I had to explain to him why I physically recoiled at the sight of his M1 garand.
@@totallytherealbasil
"John Garand is revolving in his grave, probably a lot better than this drum mag ever will."
@@yocapo32 Yep, basically what happened
Every time we get a new gun rant it feels like a fever dream 😂
Love me a gun rant
I think Mike might be the main contributing factor
I don’t know why but I’ve always thought that if you put Brandon Herrera and Zach in the same room we would have the greatest gun rant of all time. But that’s just me.
That's because you would.@@TypeZeta2
@@TypeZeta2that or it would be a fight over AK being the worst or best gun ever
Gun fact #2:
The gyro jet weapon line was designed for space combat. They have no recoil and accelerate after leaving the barrel so there is no backwards inertia
Zach: Let's ignore the bayonet
Mike: But what if we didn't?
Speaking of buzzsaw, I remember a story my great grandfather once told when he was fighting in WW2, he used to be a combat engineer and machine gunner, so he had a lot of experience with the MG34, and he said that the tactic his squad used was to fire full auto and sweep the butt in an arc for a cone of suppressive fire, and since 8mm Mauser is a full power rifle cartridge, this would turn anyone who stepped in front of him into Swiss cheese.
So when they got the MG42, the speed of the sweep didn't change at first, but because the MG34 fires at 800 rounds per second, and the early MG42s at 1500, it meant that anyone shot by them would get _cut in half_ by machine gun fire.
"Suppressive fire" tactics I see.
...wait. which side did your great-grandfather fight on?
@@BurntFrost
I live in Argentina, which one do you think?
I feel like Mike asked someone to make the most cursed kitbash guns they could just so he could install the mods and watch Zach have an aneurysm.
Meanwhile the Rainier AK looks like something the richest person and the poorest person would make together. Full of the highest tech... On the shoddiest piece of wood known to man.
i mean they did play dust and suffered for it (cuz they played it wrong) but going into "junkies figth for human meat with the shittiest guns known to man in a desolate piece of sand; the videogame" and expecting a good outcome in the good guns department probably was dumber
Props to all the amazing mod authors who make these weapons! Thanks for taking the time and effort into giving us fun mods!
Wait a second, aren't YOU a mod author for weapons? I've see some of your stuff for Fallout 4
Really patting yourself on the back, huh? But seriously yeah, props to the mod authors, especially the ones who make good quality stuff
Feel like a mod author should make a gun just to infuriate Zach in subtle ways
But also that’d be cruel
But good content
Perhaps
@@laughingbear_ Bethesda already has that covered.
@@laughingbear_That is the end goal of most of my weapons to be fair :P
17:48 if you thought that was impressive, the Maxim gun is still seeing limited service in the Russo-Ukranian war. They had a couple in stock that were still functional and still had ammo for it, so Ukraine put them back into active duty.
A weapon that first entered production in *1884* is still doing the same job its always had. Because in that limited role, static defence, the Maxim gun is still just as much a threat it was back then. As long as you dont care about having to move it around afterwards, its still holding up against weapons more than a century younger than it
I've seen footage with Maxim technicals in Ukraine
it's a water cooled gun so it does not overheat as rapidly as a air cooled gun and the added weight of the full wat jacked and tripod help make the recoil quite manageable
Seeing double and quad barrel Maxim setups is like a fever dream
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What is weirder is when you find colt-45’s and select Winchester repeaters in Ukraine. The Ukrainians are finding a lot of American guns off of dead Russian commanders especially from the 1870’s to the 1910’s.
Turns out Stalin gave away cowboy timed guns to officers he like and a lot more were ironically given out once he died. A lot of Russian officers kept these guns post Cold War and have either gave it to their grand children or awarded it to officers they trained for today.
A Russian commander In southern Ukraine was using a prototype 1895 American bolt action rifle to shoot at civilians. He was killed by a cardboard suicide drone. Now the Ukrainian commander is using that rifle to shoot at Russians from that Russian squad.
The funniest thing is there was a Russian tank commander that pull a 1885 rotating Gatling gun in replace of his RPK. The tank was destroyed but the gun is still intact but under water in the Black Sea.
11:38
One of the coolest battlefeild details.
Since some gunner models don't have gloves, the animations have your guy use a spent casing to extract the barrel on the MG42.
Would love to see what Zach thinks of all the another Millenia uniques and things we did to some of the base guns 👀
Baja Campaign Rifle is my favorite, the old reliable of the whole mod if you're running an NCR playthrough.
Try the Mojave campaign rifle!
@@Arccharger448 i will as soon as i can get nv to behave lol, been wanting to do a collection run where i just run about and nab all that good stuff
@@Arccharger448 i also remade the baja campaign rifle in mwii and could remake it in mwiii (dont have mw2 installed rn) to show it off, id say its pretty faithful to the source material.
That and its absolutely nuts in cod as well lol, cant stop the Stoner
if Mike figures out that kNVSE is needed Zach will find it cooler than sex
"Time to step down, smith and methson, there's a new junkie on the streets"
That one's goin' straight in the vault.
The makeshift shotgun at 31:12 is most likely a recreation of the Uboinik (or Shambler) from the game Metro 2033. That weapon does have a legit chamber but it also has 5 clamps that can hold additional shells. After a shot is fired, the clamps rotate like a revolver's cylinder and another shell is loaded into the chamber. The reason for the shells being exposed as well as the huge spring over the barrel is that the gun was made from scraps in the metro tunnels under post-apocalyptic Moscow.
Metro 2033 has some other neat makeshift firearms like the Bastard carbine and the Tikhar air gun that Zach would find interesting. The game's quite good, too.
I think its meant to look like the Laser Musket from FO4. its even got the sights!
@@Spootprime doubt that its meant to look like the laser musket. Dust was released 9 months before FO4, so outside of any potential trailer or teaser occurrences of the laser musket, it would be impossible to use FO4 as inspiration
I feel like this is one of those cases where the inspiration doesn't quite match the imitation.
Tikhar is life, love that thing.
I’ve started calling anytime I launch into a long, in depth explanatory rant a ‘Zach Moment’
They're called "Seinfeldian conversations" apparently
"It's more bark than bite"
Meanwhile the MG-3 is basically an MG-42 in NATO flavoring lmao.
Zach's pronunciation of Schnellfeuer was really good the second time around.
OK
So hear me out here.
They make a companion model for Anne to join Zach- and maybe even Mike, too- in either NV or 4 and her default gun is the Pancor Jackhammer. She innocently asks what the heck is a Pancor Jackhammer is and no matter how many times Zach throws it away, the gun keeps coming back to her as it's her default weapon.
It'll be funnier if the mod clearly states Mike gave it to Anne.
Feels weird as a British person recognising things with guns that are clearly about to trigger Zach before Mike does... personally, I suspect Mike is playing out a gun illiterate persona (M4 and M9 excluded from his Maribe water purification days) to heighten the chemistry / tension in their duo. Which to be fair is the reason we love your videos! Alone, you guys are good. As a duo; you play off one another so well. Always look forward to gun rants and campfire stories!
Your inner freedom is calling to you.
Didn't expected part 6 so soon, but I'm so glad for it...
6:57 Zach losing his mind upon spotting the MG42 like a little kid spotting his a toy gun at the store is so heartwarming and wholesome. And then he talked about doing these things with MGs 9:56.
I love it when Zach talks about WW1 and WW2 guns and fawns over them.
Can we get a Zach’s kitbash hell compilation?
Learning about how the actual guns are great, but him losing his mind as to how someone jammed tab A into slot T and it working as intended is so much fun.
Zach is genuinely the reason I chose Weapons Technician when I joined the Canadian Armed Forces.
I’m reuping in feb, beyond the usual caf “fun”,it worth looking into?
@@ihatemylyfe1764 I’m going off to BMQ in a few weeks, wish I had something to give you.
Going and "helping" the Armourers, and defiantly not having a nap, was how I got out of pushing a broom as a singe hook who just got to Coy.
@@devilin100 tracking. 🤣
@@ihatemylyfe1764 Nobody but me seemed to think it was funny that know one else in the Brigade knew how to operate a AGS-30 so the guys going to work with the Ukrainians post 2014. You know if treat me toddler and not functionally retarded19yo dipshit who dropped out of free ride through law school to jump out of planes for $204 week, I will exploit your underestimation of me and act like it.
"Chief do you remember when you thought I was just a lazy pos CFL, now look what's happened and where that's brought you. To me."
Believe the response was "I will take a stripe and send your ass to be a Mech Coy stores 2IC if you don't take up space on that plane"
Bren Gun is actually a very well made machine gun that just so happens to have a top loading mag.
Oh hey they have a tiny Bolter.
The US actually had their training video on the MG42 put a lot of focus on the barrel change, it gives you a 5 second window in which to act before all hell breaks loose again, so your can pop the gunner with a rifle shot or advance up to cover that's closer to your target.
if I remember correctly a machine gun squad was 4 men the Gunner 2 assistant Gunners and a rifleman for support so it wouldn't be that easy to take them out
Fun fact, during WW1 the British would indiscriminately shoot their water cooled machine guns at the German lines till the water in the case boiled, then pour the water out and make tea
"Your lips move, but I can't hear what you're saying." sounds to be a reference to Pink Floyd's Comfortbly Numb
That weird kitbash over-under shotgun's receiver and stock are from one of my favorite weapons in the game, the Recharger Rifle, which is a rare spawn n Bright Follower corpses, I believe. It's a weird, unique laser rifle that uses something called "MF breeder" cells that basically give it infinite ammo, it just needs a few seconds to recharge after draining the charged shots. It's got a really fun retro future model with glass tubes that flash yellow whenever it fires. People like to call it weak, but with the ight energy weapon build and a jury rigging perk to smash regular laser weapons into it for repairs, the infinite recharging ammo makes it absolutely busted overpowered if you know how to use it and make effective use of cover when it recharges.
Thing is the pistol version is better in many regards, and the Hyperbreeder unique pistol incredibly so. Also, tons of merchants sell full-condition laser pistols.
it's also a drop in hollowed out tree stumps, that's how I got my one and only recharger rifle in NV
two gun rants within two months? Christmas came early for us boys
"Why is a trigger guard important, anyway?"
Because it guards the trigger, Mike.
Ah yes the mg 42 fun to shoot not so fun to carry. Had it when i was in the Austrian millitary and the cleaning is horror. We had 3 barrels, 1 extra trigger system, 1 kevlar glove, 1 special tool. 2x 50 mags 2x 100 box. We where 2 guys in 1 team mg1 and mg2, 1 being shooter 2 carrier. If your unlucky and one gets out of combat (sick or "shot") you can do all of it on your own.
Fun fact: The Owen Gun was designed by Evelyn Owen in '31 and finalised in '38 before the outbreak of WWII. When Evelyn submitted his design (not his father), the Australian military rejected it in favour of waiting for the Sten gun.
In '40, just before deploying to the Middle East, Evelyn talked to the manager of a local Lysaght plant about his design. With an interest in his design, he was then transferred to the Central Inventions Board and began to manufacture the Owen gun in '41.
In testing, it was found that not only did the Owen gun design prove to be a highly reliable design that was resistant to jamming due to dirt and mud (Even if it were to enter the weapon), it proved to be more accurate than both the Sten and the Thompson.
The pancor jackhammer is actually featured in fallout 2 as an endgame weapon that enclave uses.
This means that evil zach is an enclave member that LOVES the pancor jackhammer.
10:17 That is something that I've seen done in an old anime - with an MG42 no less - and so it's weird to hear Zach has done that IRL while an MG42 is on the screen (even if Zach didn't commit arborcide with it)
Which anime?
@@larsthedude1984 the 2005 OVA for Kino's Journey, titled "To Do Something -Life Goes On-"
It's a sorta flashback episode detailing the titular character's early life being trained by a gunslinging master. And then follows Kino's first solo journey to inform the kin of someone who gave his life protecting her, (Which was covered in episode 4 of the original 2003 anime adaptation).
Just including those details so if you happen to watch it, you're not left confused on details it assumes you know.
28:17 it is not based in a G3, it's based in the Spanish CETME rifle, yes Bethesda used the CETME in fallout 3
Thanks I literally typed a whole paragraph about this because I was looking for this comment. Lol I have now found it
The ol switcheroo
These gun rants are just the best thing ever after a stressful day. XD
I love this series, really kept me entertained about a year ago when I was stuck in a hotel room for a couple days.
Interesting fact: in 1906 Georg Luger designed and patented a Self-Loading rifle called the Selbstlader 1906 rifle that took advantage of one of his famous creations: the Luger pistols Toggle-Lock firing mechanism but Scaled up to accept 7.92x57mm rifle ammunition. however since a very few of them were Made, the information Available on the Gun is VERY Limited. Of the Few Prototypes that were manufactured by Luger, only ONE is left in existence and from what I know, The Selbstlader 1906 Rifle is preserved and protected in a Private collection somewhere. Its a Shame it never got past the prototype stage :(
Also: The makers of the Battlefield series DICE actually got permission to take Careful measurements of the gun itself, and from those measurements, we Gamers could use the Rifle in Battlefield 1 and 5.
BF1 was great for exactly this reason, seeing and using stuff that barely exists or has been lost to time. A shame that games like the new Modern Warfare trilogy have gone the route of completely botching Guns into stuff that sometimes wouldn't even work irl.
@Kanoinoo true while some cod games did add obscure guns that did exist and others were concepts that never reached production like ww2's SDK 9mm which was a supposed internally suppressed carbine for the german secret police, and the japanese Tokyo arsenal submachine gun which was made and was meant for defense of the home islands and was made in very limited numbers. But I agree in modern cod and MW games takes modifying guns to a horrifying degree and never really adding these interesting weapons, but to be honest it's better not seeing them cursed by attachments then them being added.
@@Tundraviper41oh yeah apparently that 9mm carbine was a passion project made by some cia dude in the 70's who was a NOTORIOUS LIAR and a criminal double agent pretty much so do with that info what you will
To be fair, I think the designer of either the Gatling gun or the Maxim gun demonstrated it to the military and other interested parties by chopping down an oak tree with it so Zach was recreating history.
18:06 Funny thing about the Gyrojet Carbine if it fires like the the Gyrojet Pistol, that where most conventional weapons have a hammer that strikes a firing pin that moves to hit the primer at the back of the bullet casing, the Gyrojet's hammer is positioned that it strikes the 'nose' of the round forcing it back against a stationary firying pin, and when the fuel is ignited and the jet moves, it pushes the hammer out of the way to be reset.
Fun fact about the mg3: it has a slower firerate (Down to 800rpm from 1000 AFAIK) and heavier bolt compared to it's predecessor, for the simple reason that it helps conserve and stretch out ammo reserves. Seems like a downgrade, but according to a drill seargent back in the Austrian Army, "When Ivan's on the wrong side of the Danube, we ain't getting resupplied, we got to make every bullet count."
While i am no expert, i think the MG42 had its rof reduced due to jamming and stoppages with it's insane rate of fire, so it often actually had a similar rof to the mg3, but again, i may be wrong, or it may have been a very late war thing, or something like that, i am not 100% sure.
MG14Z is 3000rpm....
10:13 when my grandpa was in the Korean War, he used a quad .50 AA mount to cut down trees to make a clearing, apparently it worked pretty well.
Warhammer 40,000's iconic boltguns are based on the gyrojet concept. Supposedly, in 40k's early years, they were just giant machine guns, but as Games Workshop developed the universe more, they changed the way they functioned while retaining their oversized visual design.
"I'm sorry, we're getting another gun rant here!"
No no! Don't apologize! These rants are great!
4:13 I like the part where he slams the magazine into the side of the gun and not where the Mag goes.
You can also get a around the quick-change barrel by making the barrel water-cooled, but those are really only viable on fixed emplacements near a steady supply of water so you don't have to worry about depleting the water supplies of the attached troops nor about transporting water over long distances.
24:13 To make the "Cross Machine Gun" even more cursed, I'm pretty sure the sounds for it is pulled from Call of Duty: World at War's MP-40. A virtual WW2 American SMG that uses sounds from a virtual WW2 German SMG.
I only recognize the sound cause I played alot of WaW multiplayer back in the day and all the sweats ran the MP-40 nonstop.
1:02 counter argument, a spoon, made for scooping and stirring and does both really well
I like how they go over the Owen gun a second time
That Ace of clubs gun makes my soul weep. I absolutely love c96 Mausers and they butchered it with that barrel 😭
Oh boy, time to learn more gun knowledge with Zack!
I adore the original “Zach’s Gun Rants,” and I often listen to them on my way to and from work. Adding more installments to this dynamic debate is an absolute delight! Never stop ranting, Zach!
Whenever I would shoot my laptop review videos, I keep this playing in the background. If you notice some shaky shots in any of them, it's because I was laughing at how frustrated Zach is with videogame firearms. Best series so far-- the MRE reviews are a close second!
Now that I work at a gun store/range, and apprentice at a gunsmith, I not relate to Zach’s anger towards various people, but I’ve also found myself recognizing random components and gun parts.
"You can use it cause your poor and only poor people use Ak."-Zach.
I take offense to that! *stares at the 3 Aks i bought over the years.
The saga continues and I am here for it
Time for more quotes for my girlfriend and I to bounce back and forth whenever we see a specific gun from now on.
Excellent as always!
My favorite MG42 story is from one of the poor sods manning the Normandy defense line. Like an hour into the D-Day landings he turns to his assistant gunner who says "Alright, we've got 150 left." and he's all like "What happened to the bunker's stock?" and his AG just says "You shot it all, what the hell are we going to do now?"
I would *LOVE* to see Zach rant about 40k guns
I will never get tired of these
We need a 3 hour gun rant of all the guns in FO76.
Or starfield.
Zach gets a shotgun, five seconds later, "WHERE'S THE TRIGGER???"
@@danieljames1868 or that 1 pistol that has a revolving cylinder right below the barrel at the front of the gun.
I’m surprised on the Resin Gun that Zach didn’t notice the revolver cylinder right next to the bolt action handle.
With the MG-42 and it's pretty ridiculous rate of fire, the barrels were suggested to be swapped every ~300 rounds or every 2 full belts (depending on conditions, you could stretch it to 600). The number Zach mentioned of 2000-3000 rounds was more like an individual barrel's total lifespan, after which it would have to be gauged more frequently and then ultimately replaced when out of spec.
I remember in band of brothers they show how the gunner team do carry around hot pads to deal the browning .50
1:08 thank you Zach, someone remembering the full phrase for once makes me happy
"I have cooked bacon with a machine gun" that is the most American phrase I have ever heard
Petition to get Zack to do a range day with Brandon Herrera
That would be awesome
Find someone who loves you like Zach loves the Owen.
I like to think the gun rants are the reason why so many fallout NV gun mods have gotten better and more accurate
Zach is my number 1 source for gun facts he is truly the library for gun knowledge
The trick with giving your wife a 357 Magnum, is that they are heavier, and you give her 38 Special. Supposedly.
Wow! Just finished gun rants 5 and this shows up! Let me take the time to thank you Mike and Zach for the great content! Back on August 1st I had a small brain tumor removed, and your content helped me so much in keeping me sane. Also Zach, I love your rants and the information! I want to be an American History teacher and guns and America go hand in hand.
Zach squealing will never stop being funny.
For people who want to know where the "Ace of Clubs" got inspired from, is that it going off the Exotic Handcannon "Ace of Spades" which is used by Cayde-6 and among many Guardians now in Destiny 1 and Destiny 2. And for the "Ace of Diamond" I have no clue what it going off of if people are going to ask. Sorry
Who ever sees this have a good day❤
Ah thank you
Thank you
Water cooled machine guns sometimes even had armour on their barrel shrouds. Whilst they can handle massive volumes of fire as long as there's water, if the water leaks the thin barrels overheat quickly. So some gun implacements in WW1 used extra armour to prevent that
I think the shotgun with the exposed shells is heavily inspired by the "shambler" shotgun from the metro game series, only.... butchered.
the kitbashed shotgun for some reason makes me think of the shambler from metro
would love to see what Zach thinks of the guns from the Metro series
I know he said "generally" but the bayonet on the end of a musket didn't make the musket any worse, but made it a whole lot better at stopping a cavalry charge, as it turned your musketeers into both musketeers, AND (emergency) pikemen.
That thing about water cooled machine guns reminds me of something I heard about the Vickers machine gun. Apparently in the trenches in WW1, the water going through the cooling system would end up at the perfect temperature to brew a pot of tea, which is just the most British thing ever.
Of course, in Africa, where clean water was at a premium, they used a...less sanitary source of water.
Will never get enough of these gun rants they're like a podcast in of itself.
1:02 "Never half-ass two things. Full-ass one thing." -Ron Swanson
I literally said the exact same thing right before you mentioned the difference because I was like, "But wait, isn't that sqaure?"
There's also a Gyrojet carbine mod for Fallout 4 that models the bullets correctly. If you use VATS and get one of the slo-mo kill cams that follows the bullet, it's actually a gyrojet, that extends its fins out and spins, and you can see the propellant continuing to burn.
The Ace of Clubs is a reference to a series of guns in a western fabtasy, whose name i forget, where there are 54 guns, each corelate to a card in a deck plus two jokers, the red and black joker card. 2 being the lowest power, and Ace being the highest. Diamond is speed if i remember right, spades are trick shots, clubs are power, and hearts are accuracy. Each gun has its own abilities. One of my favorites is the three of clubs, also known as Cerberus, where you get three instakills against anything, except the joker wielders, and cannot die until you shoot all three, but if i remember right, you cant sleep, get drunk or really enjoy anything, and once you use your last shot youll die.
My memory is hazy, but zach would love the western usa fantsy these guns are based in.
The Ace of Clubs is a menace though
One of the big drawbacks of water-cooled MGs is that they are fucking heavy so you can't use it hand-held. And even then the water will start getting hot too so if you fire too much you will still need to pour the water out to pour in a new still cold one
I kinda wanna see them play the metro games, if only to hear zach talk about the guns.
I'm pretty sure Todd Howard saw the gun at 25:53 and said "Hmm yes, let's hire this modder to work on the guns for Starfield."
Fun fact: The MG42 manual has a section explaining how a operator can and is allowed to, in a emergency, *hip fire the gun*. As in, this was officially sanctioned by the German Army technique for hip firing it.
And iirc the "proper" way to hold the MG42 for hipfire was using the bipod as a front grip
Getting these is like an early Christmas. I live to listen to my favorite fellow autist go to town on whatever gun facts he knows.
I always like to think that the Gyrojet guns are like a distant ancestor to 40k’s bolt guns
27:38 Brandon Herrera is requesting your location... 😂
23:00 Zach the stock and the weird receiver thingy, basically everything to the right of the barrel and the heat shield is taken from the Recharger Rifle
I think the weird makeshift revolver shotgun towards the end is *supposed* to be the uboinik/shambler from Metro. But like... On meth.
Nothing's even close to right about it but I recognize the revolving shotgun shells and the coil around the barrel.
Metro's guns are almost all homemade frankenstein monsters but the devs put a lot of effort into trying to make them be really realistic (Exodus does get a bit weirder with some of the parts). I'd actually love to see Zac react to the weapons of the series sometime though!
Praise be, another glorious day when I see a new Zach gun rant vid🙏🏻 genuinely love these videos so much