@@sarge6870 I don't think you know much about Nam era soldiering. Many DRAFTED guys were not "Patriots". They did not want to go period. Like half the country dude. Similarly lots of politicians of that era who wrap themselves around the flag today used connections to not go, due to 'studies', or defended Texas from Oklahoma during the war....or bone spurs.
@@stripeytawney822 Let's see, I spent 12 years in the Army, my brother did a tour in the bush and I served with senior NCO's that were drafted and went on, like my brother to complete 20+ years in so, guess I know a bit more than you think!
My dad despised men claiming to have been in Nam. Even when he was a pastor. He called out a traveling minister who was speaking at my dad’s church. He did it right in the middle of the guy’s “sermon”. Kicked him out right on the spot; and then after apologizing to everyone, he called the other churches in town to give the pastors a heads up. This was in the mid 80’s. The majority of the town pastors were Korean and Nam vets. Not really the group to piss off.
I think it's more of the Armchair Warriors that like to denigrate folks because of that?! Not so much actually Vets. I remember reading something like only 10% of the Armed Forces are Combat Troops?
@@dav9620 I was an ET, electronics tech, in the Navy. That means I maintained and repaired radios and radars. Anyone who wants to question my service can finish doing so once they pick themselves up off the floor. People lying about serving or what they did in the service drive vets nuts. It's called stolen valor and it is as low as it gets.
I think most Vietnam Veterans are proud of their Service, but I think most Vietnam Veterans will say the War was Bullshit. That the Gulf of Tonkin was B.S. and the War was Fabricated on Lies.
It wasxa communist invasion at the height of the cold War, backed by Moscow, Mao. Nothing good about it. Trouble us that war was designed by LBJ not to win (no invasion, no crossing of 17th parallel). That way he pleases some still cold War conservative Dems by saying he tried but pleases reds in his own party who preferred Ho and his model.
The creator of this show also created Hillstreet Blues. Another great show. But this show is in my heart. Best Cop show ever. One of the best shows of all time.
Capcoor So am I. I am not a veteran but I know people who are. They have told me stories about what they’d seen and experienced. It is not something to take lightly. When a person goes to war they don’t come back unscathed. Even if by some miracle they don’t get wounded physically, the trauma can leave a very powerful scar on the mind and the heart. So Andy is right. People shouldn’t go bragging about going to war, any war, if they haven’t been.
To TheNutriarat Have you ever served your country,If not Give it a rest and it's not funny ,War is never funny ,Yes it's a TV show and this is the first I have heard of Dennis Franz serving his country in Vietnam ,There is a big Destination between A TV show and The reality of War ,I tried myself to Enlist in my Countries Armed forces in the UK in 1989 when I was just 16 when my Dad(1954-2002) between 1974 to 1992 was in the REME Did Tours of Duty in Northern Ireland and Was in The Falklands in 1982 ,I Failed the test due to not being good at Arithmetic,So please show respect for those Veterans who have gone above and beyond the call of duty when their country needed them ,It's not so hard to understand .Or stick to something else and not criticise an The Men and Women who put on a uniform ,It's part of the Job and their training but never think it is exceptable to criticise an Ex Soldier Turned actor who was actually there .
I am pursuing a career in law enforcement I tried to join the Army but I didn't make it, Personally I would rather lie about having relations with a celebrity than lie about serving in the military during any war.
I hope it works out for you...but, as an aside, I can't imagine working streets for Commissar DeBlasio...if you're up that way. Different city now; can't imagine it ever going back, esp NYPD. All the tradition, pride, roots torn up and ruined. That's what communists do. We were warned but we didn't want another civil war and now they are at our throats.
Having Vietnam veterans in my family, I have a lot of sympathy for those guys. They fought an unpopular war, they came back and were treated as criminal essentially, and the worst part is that our government basically kicked them to the curb, and many of them never got to see any kind of financial help, or any other kind of assistance that they might be in need of, before they died. Same thing goes for are WW2 vets as well, if there are any that are still alive, and if there are I haven't heard of any. From what I understand, they really didn't get anything at all, and a lot of it was because when they fought their War, things like post-traumatic stress disorder and whatnot were not recognized back then, and I also have a couple of WW2 vets in my family, who passed away 20 and 30 years ago. The whole problem with the Vietnam era, was that while there was a lot of disagreement about the war, which I can understand if civilians do not agree with a war, but it was wrong for them to blame the soldier who was sent over there to fight. The soldier who fought in Vietnam, whether he was drafted, or he signed up to go, just went and did his duty. Now admittedly there were some bad men who have fought in Vietnam, as with every other war that mankind has ever experienced; irrespective of what side they were on, but there have also been good men as well. There have been bad men, good man, and even scared kids who were drawn into the war of their time, the latter who either didn't want any part of it, and/who didn't understand why they were fighting in such a thing.
Agree, we sent our fathers, sons, and brothers to fight and die, and then we treated them like crap. I grew up during the Vietnam war and was lucky it ended before I reached draft age. Watching and reading about it it looked awful. Everyone should read "War is a racket". As soon as we get out of one conflict we are back in another. It doesn't matter how many soldiers and civilians have to be maimed or killed as long as the money keeps flowing
It’s occurred several times now, while waiting on line I’ve noticed from the hat that the man in back of me was a combat veteran. I immediately made certain that they then were waiting in front of me!
We had a guy at work who constantly bragged about his work in "Law Enforcement". One day, I asked him in front of the others, "So what exactly did you do in law enforcement?". He said he was a dispatcher. You can spot these assholes a mile away.
every war is hell but I feel like the jungle setting mixed with the paranoia of fighting an invisible guerilla force whom mixed perfectly with the civil population meant that there was more room for PTSD-breeding trauma events and slow mental decay even during (long) lapses in combat.
I've never understood this stolen valour thing. Most servicemen can tell in seconds if anybody's served or not. It's not the big stuff like country, Sqn, regiment or unit that give them away its the small stuff. In the UK all servicemen will remember their last three to their dying day having said that not sure about the Navy they're a strange lot. In the early days of my service, "they were feeding us not needing us" and very rarely did you come across any "Walters" Then Nothern Ireland, The Falklands and Gulf war 1 & 2 hove into view and boy did they come out the woodwork. Nowadays it doesn't bother me, not my circus, not my monkeys. Unless they start claiming they were on the balcony of a certain embassy, then I may casually ask them what was their last three.
Lmao initially I was like "Wait a sec we (America) never invaded Northern Ireland or the Falklands" and then I remembered other countries had TH-cam lol. Typical Yankee parochialism.
Interesting take. I certainly agree but, of course, I wasn't there. I started college in 1974, after the US involvement had ended. There was a guy in my dorm who was older and kept telling stories about flying heliocopters, first in Vietnam, then Laos, etc. The stories got more lurid (and him more heroic, of course) as time went on. I have no idea if he was telling the truth or not, but if he wasn't, I would have wanted someone to do a Sipowicz on him. You don't lie about something like that.
A great scene standing up for the those who endured the hell of Vietnam and while it may be fine to say don't lie about your own experiences, the simple truth is the entire war was and is nothing but a series of lies. Almost everything you think you know about it is wrong.
I have worked with a lot of men that served in Vietnam. One man worked with would leave the room when another guy would start talking about it. The first guy I mentioned was wounded there, and did not believe what the other guy had to say. He would speak with me when I was alone, but he let me know he did not like the other guy or trust him. There was a Vietnamese guy we worked with, that was a good guy, and out of respect for him the first guy made a point of not speaking about the war.
In British military parlance, there are two types of people. 'Walt's' named after Walter Mitty, guys who lie and pretend they served in the Armed Forces but never did, and 'Bloaters'.......guys who DID serve in the Armed Forces in some capacity, but they exaggerate what they did during their service, they embellish to make themselves feel better. This guy in this scene DID serve, but embellished about what he did: Grade A Bloater!!
I feel like the one missed beat here is that Ray could suddenly have gotten very specific after Andy got demanding. Something like "257th Vehicle Maintenance Battalion. Couple miles west of Tan Son Nhut airfield." Make it clear even if he's a bullshitter and had an easier tour than Andy, it still affected him in similar ways. That way Andy can give his final lines at like a "5" intensity instead of an "8"; firm but not threatening.
Never try to bullshit a vet, no matter the war, it never ends well. Veterans (especially those of a combat variety) are one group of people you never want to push over the edge.
Eh, I know this character was set up to be lying, but the fact that one of his flaws in his lie is "he didn't remember every single one of his duty stations" isn't really that accurate. I work with my state VA, and there are a LOT of veterans who don't remember details like that. And actively try and forget the years they were in the service. Especially if they had a lot of bad shit happen. Plenty do remember those details sure, but plenty don't. I do like that Andy didn't look down on him for being in a maintenance unit while in 'Nam. He just accepts that like "ok yeah, plenty of people were there, not all of them had to fight. That's not their fault if they weren't in a fighting unit and were in support" So he just says "Then you tell them that." I do appreciate that bit. Especially since combat unit or not, everyone over there got hit with Agent Orange. So even if he never saw combat, he's been exposed to a nasty ass chemical, that will make him REALLY likely to get diagnosed with some nasty medical conditions later in life. The LEAST dangerous condition from AO exposure is a form of acne, that just statistically nobody ever seemed to have contracted. The next least deadly is prostate cancer. All the others, are not fun conditions, that will pretty much be guaranteed to be the thing that kills you later in life.
Dennis's acting is first-rate here. I wonder what he drew on for that? Lemme just Wikipedia the guy and.... Holy shit Dennis served in Vietnam. How did I not know that?
I know a guy that wears a hat. VIET NAM ERA VETERAN. I asked him were you in Nam ? No he was based in Korea. WTF !! I got to get a Cold War Era veteran hat. Or the 300 Battle of Thermopylae hat since I was stationed in Greece in the 70s.
Tell the truth so Sippy doesn't get up in your face with that delightful breath of his. Seriously, that's obviously very special and important to the people who were there, many of whom gave their lives.. for what? What did we win in Viet Nam?
Gary Solorzano I dont know if you've ever servied in the military. Im 3rd generation veteran. My Uncle Joe served 2 tours in Vietnam 67-69, armored cav. out of Fort Campbell Kentucky. Your question, what did we win? Makes it sound like a game of some kind. Please don't. If you've never served in combat yiu will never understand. For the men and women whi have served in combat, its not about winning. Its about doing the job you were trained to do, meet your objectives and do your damned level best to come home to your family and bring the men and women thought fought along side you home too.
@@darrenheadrick3669 I never did serve Darren, and I respect the service you and your family dedicated to the country. On a personal level everything you said is 100% correct. On a national level, the last time I checked the idea of going to war is.... To win it and come home. The politicians at the time didn't make that the goal, and Viet Nam was a disgrace from that perspective sir. Just my opinion. You're entitled to yours of course. I respect anyone who's put on the uniform and served. You do so at the behest of the politicians who send you into harm's way. After Kennedy was assassinated, it was left to LBJ and Nixon. Their goals weren't the same as Kennedy's. Besides, my initial remarks were about Sipowicz here. And I said how important it was to his character that people tell the truth about their service, nothing else. If you choose to be offended by that, sorry.
@@garysolorzano3216 it doesn't matter about what they win it's about how they serve their country when it was called to do so. Andy just did not want him to lie or over exaggerate his tour of duty in Vietnam.
The war was a horrible mistake and Lyndon Johnson is a war criminal for needlessly escalating it, but the soldiers who were sent there did their duty, and I can respect their valor even if it was being exploited. Even if you don't respect that, you gotta acknowledge they suffered a thankless ordeal no human should be put through.
My late father was a Combat Infantryman in the 29th divison.. Landed on Omaha Beach on D Day plus 1 and last until August 10 when a mortar round almost took off his right leg. Suffered from it the rest of his life. He would go to reunions of men who were in the 29th but that was it . He said the American Legion was full of men who never heard a shot fired in anger . Phoney Flag Wavers was his term for them.
That's nonsense! I served for 12 years in the Army (1980-1992) and never heard a shot fired in anger either! That doesn't mean that my service was useless!! I was there and ready to be called on at a seconds notice. I thank GOD every day my training and service wasn't needed but to call service members that didn't fight in combat "Phony Flag Wavers"is an insult!! And by the way, when and where did YOU serve??
@@sarge6870 USNR 66 till 72. Two years active , 4 reserve. Honorable discharge. A year and a half of the two years active on Guam. That good enough for you? I never said anybody who was not a Combat veteran did not serve Honorably. Just that too many people who belong to the AL act like they are Audie Murphy or Chesty Puller when they never even left the States.
@@sarge6870 Nothing was false about what he said: recounting a man who went through hell having a jaded view of those who hadn't yet acted like they did. It's a perfectly understandable sentiment given his father's circumstances. I'd add that any man who gets his leg nearly blown off for my country has the right to be about as ornery as he likes.
Hey the motorized vehicles don't maintain or repair themselves. If it's got 2 moving parts in time, it will need to be repaired. Someone got to keep them flying, floating, wheels and tracks moving.
@@Fatherofheroesandheroines I don't think he saw combat or else Andy wouldn't be this serious about it. There is a difference between spending time at a base when you're on tour versus being in combat situations.. a lot of combat veterans take that seriously versus people who just stayed on the base.
He probably wasn't even in a maintenance unit in Vietnam. These stolen valor fucks tell so many lies they start to believe their own tales after a bit. I was a gloried crane operator and folk lift driver in the army and I'm proud of my service. Some of the years of my life.
So he did go to Nam. No veteran should trash another vet no matter what they did or what their job was. He demeaned him. I would have went outside and settled his ass
Iranian Bob I still work for the DOD dummy. Since the age of 17. I’m over 60 now. You forgot to add “in the rear with the gear”. You are a “Bob”. No arms no legs and floats in the water. Now go pat yourself on the back and say to yourself I’m a good boy, my mommy said so....
He never demeaned him. He asked him what capacity he served in, and the guy said "a maintenance capacity", and Andy told him "then you say that". He never made fun of that, or told him that his service didn't matter, he just told him to tell the truth. Because there's nothing to demean. Nothing wrong with being in a maintenance role. My dad was a crew chief on F-4s, and some damn fool would shoot at them about once a week. And the bitch of it, they weren't allowed to shoot back, unless they could prove it was VC shooting at them. Well who the hell else would it be, the Girl Scouts? To say nothing of the fact that the only one armed, was the line chief, and every time the shooting stared, the line chief jumped in his truck and hauled ass. Andy was in the right on this one. Don't say you kicked down doors, when you didn't. Tell the truth about what you did, and if your service was honorable, then be around of it, no matter what it was.
My Uncle and Father were USMC grunts at that time and far as I can tell the insult is the fact he's lying about getting into the thick of it. The men who saw the most action....at least going on my dad's tales...don't talk about it much. Hell I didn't even know my dad was a door gunner until I was in my late twenties. Prior to that I assumed he was just a Photographer for their PR department. My uncle was a line cook...and apparently had to haul ass into a trench during a shelling
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Andy could have easily called him out in front of the whole bar, but he didn’t. Class act. Direct and to the point. No nonsense, no BS.
yeap, too bad its all fake......................who will you compliment next? the abominable snowman?
@@chriswesterfield2042 It's art, it't not fake. It speaks to universal truths.
More direct 1 on 1
Franz served 11 months in Vietnam in the airborne so he was really connected to this
Even being a cook is honorable enough. No need to lie.
There is nothing wrong with being in the rear with the gear! ALL who served were and are Patriots!
@@sarge6870 I don't think you know much about Nam era soldiering. Many DRAFTED guys were not "Patriots". They did not want to go period. Like half the country dude.
Similarly lots of politicians of that era who wrap themselves around the flag today used connections to not go, due to 'studies', or defended Texas from Oklahoma during the war....or bone spurs.
@@stripeytawney822 Let's see, I spent 12 years in the Army, my brother did a tour in the bush and I served with senior NCO's that were drafted and went on, like my brother to complete 20+ years in so, guess I know a bit more than you think!
Dennis Franz definitely wasn’t acting he was 101st Airborne in vietnam.
82nd
@@trevorsmith7045 82nd for 11 months, then he was transferred over to the 101st
My dad despised men claiming to have been in Nam. Even when he was a pastor. He called out a traveling minister who was speaking at my dad’s church. He did it right in the middle of the guy’s “sermon”. Kicked him out right on the spot; and then after apologizing to everyone, he called the other churches in town to give the pastors a heads up. This was in the mid 80’s. The majority of the town pastors were Korean and Nam vets. Not really the group to piss off.
Notice how Andy didn't make fun of him for just being in a maintenance unit. He just wanted him to tell the truth.
because it's nothing wrong about beeing in a maintenance unit.
@@vornamenachname5589 Sure, but Commandant Spangler didn't think so since he was lying about it.
@@vornamenachname5589 My Cousin Phil was a Radio Operator for the US Navy stationed in Virginia and California
I think it's more of the Armchair Warriors that like to denigrate folks because of that?! Not so much actually Vets. I remember reading something like only 10% of the Armed Forces are Combat Troops?
@@dav9620 I was an ET, electronics tech, in the Navy. That means I maintained and repaired radios and radars. Anyone who wants to question my service can finish doing so once they pick themselves up off the floor.
People lying about serving or what they did in the service drive vets nuts. It's called stolen valor and it is as low as it gets.
Andy's intensity here honors every Vietnam vet. I cannot admire this genius show enough. Brilliant in every way.
Dennis Franz didn’t have to act in this scene - he is an actual Vietnam Vet.
@@charlesoliva8174 Respect to his service to his country 🇺🇲
Dennis Franz served in Viet Nam as a combat soldier.
He should not have called out the stolen valor.
@@jonothandoeser he did it with class, not in front of anyone else. He definitely should have done it!
Sipowicz calling out phony veterans before it was cool
Andy had more integrity than a lot of jackasses I tripped over in my time.
Dennis Franz is a Vietnam Veteran
@@paulzammataro7185 yessir. 101st and 82nd Airborne.
@@thealexkirschproject8036 th-cam.com/video/yr93Wg6mEns/w-d-xo.html
He was a vet though
Dennis Franz was in Vietnam.
yep, 82nd Airborne
No kidding? I didn't know that.
I think most Vietnam Veterans are proud of their Service, but I think most Vietnam Veterans will say the War was Bullshit. That the Gulf of Tonkin was B.S. and the War was Fabricated on Lies.
It wasxa communist invasion at the height of the cold War, backed by Moscow, Mao. Nothing good about it. Trouble us that war was designed by LBJ not to win (no invasion, no crossing of 17th parallel). That way he pleases some still cold War conservative Dems by saying he tried but pleases reds in his own party who preferred Ho and his model.
He served with honor.
Kudos to the late Daniel von Bargen as Ray Kahlins. He was really excellent as a swarmy detective in this episode.
Also the dirty police chief in Super Troopers.
He was also in Seinfeld as one of George's bosses--he was good in that, too, and funny...
I liked him also as the jury foreman in _Philadelphia_ and the sheriff in _Before & After_
He played the head of a military school in “Malcom in The Middle”
I've been watching reruns with my husband every night when we go to bed. This show is still great. Even in syndication.
Been watching them every night too for the last few months since I discovered the channel that shows them!
The creator of this show also created Hillstreet Blues. Another great show.
But this show is in my heart. Best Cop show ever. One of the best shows of all time.
I’m with Andy. All the way.
Capcoor So am I. I am not a veteran but I know people who are. They have told me stories about what they’d seen and experienced. It is not something to take lightly. When a person goes to war they don’t come back unscathed. Even if by some miracle they don’t get wounded physically, the trauma can leave a very powerful scar on the mind and the heart. So Andy is right. People shouldn’t go bragging about going to war, any war, if they haven’t been.
"Excuse me" Oh shit, here we go....lol. Franz is a Vietnam Vet, why this subject is so personal to him.
Franz fought at Khe San.
Because he served in Both The 82nd and 101st Airborne Division in Vietnam.
Come on man.... I appreciate his service, but this is a TV show. He was performing the lines that were written for him. Nothing more.
@@keithmorgan742 Did it occur to you that maybe those lines were written because of his service in Vietnam.
To TheNutriarat
Have you ever served your country,If not Give it a rest and it's not funny ,War is never funny ,Yes it's a TV show and this is the first I have heard of Dennis Franz serving his country in Vietnam ,There is a big Destination between A TV show and The reality of War ,I tried myself to Enlist in my Countries Armed forces in the UK in 1989 when I was just 16 when my Dad(1954-2002) between 1974 to 1992 was in the REME Did Tours of Duty in Northern Ireland and Was in The Falklands in 1982 ,I Failed the test due to not being good at Arithmetic,So please show respect for those Veterans who have gone above and beyond the call of duty when their country needed them ,It's not so hard to understand .Or stick to something else and not criticise an The Men and Women who put on a uniform ,It's part of the Job and their training but never think it is exceptable to criticise an Ex Soldier Turned actor who was actually there .
I am pursuing a career in law enforcement I tried to join the Army but I didn't make it, Personally I would rather lie about having relations with a celebrity than lie about serving in the military during any war.
I hope it works out for you...but, as an aside, I can't imagine working streets for Commissar DeBlasio...if you're up that way. Different city now; can't imagine it ever going back, esp NYPD. All the tradition, pride, roots torn up and ruined. That's what communists do. We were warned but we didn't want another civil war and now they are at our throats.
@@teller1290 Going to work down in Texas, Florida, or Las Vegas New York City sucks
I despise the stolen valor types.
As a son of a Vietnam War combat veteran, I felt like Andy could have been my father in this scene.
I felt like he could have been my Uncle Joe who served
Sipowicz should interview Giuliani, Mulvaney and Bolton.
That would be awesome to witness.
Yeah he can use his special lie detector (fans know what I'm talking about)
@@wongsifu460 BEEP BEEP😂😂
Don't forget Da Nang Dick Blumenthal.
Having Vietnam veterans in my family, I have a lot of sympathy for those guys. They fought an unpopular war, they came back and were treated as criminal essentially, and the worst part is that our government basically kicked them to the curb, and many of them never got to see any kind of financial help, or any other kind of assistance that they might be in need of, before they died.
Same thing goes for are WW2 vets as well, if there are any that are still alive, and if there are I haven't heard of any. From what I understand, they really didn't get anything at all, and a lot of it was because when they fought their War, things like post-traumatic stress disorder and whatnot were not recognized back then, and I also have a couple of WW2 vets in my family, who passed away 20 and 30 years ago.
The whole problem with the Vietnam era, was that while there was a lot of disagreement about the war, which I can understand if civilians do not agree with a war, but it was wrong for them to blame the soldier who was sent over there to fight.
The soldier who fought in Vietnam, whether he was drafted, or he signed up to go, just went and did his duty. Now admittedly there were some bad men who have fought in Vietnam, as with every other war that mankind has ever experienced; irrespective of what side they were on, but there have also been good men as well.
There have been bad men, good man, and even scared kids who were drawn into the war of their time, the latter who either didn't want any part of it, and/who didn't understand why they were fighting in such a thing.
From what history tells us white soldiers came home to a lot more then black soldiers
Agree, we sent our fathers, sons, and brothers to fight and die, and then we treated them like crap. I grew up during the Vietnam war and was lucky it ended before I reached draft age. Watching and reading about it it looked awful. Everyone should read "War is a racket". As soon as we get out of one conflict we are back in another. It doesn't matter how many soldiers and civilians have to be maimed or killed as long as the money keeps flowing
As a former Royal Marine, I occasionally come across the " I was a commando" types. Andy's reaction is spot on.
Andy true veteran and good actor this one was easy
GLAD I WAS ABLE TO SEE THAT CLIP, ANDY WAS A TRUE VN VET.
I bet this was completely from the heart. Dennis Franz was at Khe Sanh!
Not if he was Airborne. Khe San was the Marines
I wonder how much of the convo that Andy had with Ray was improv. Dennis Franz (who plays Andy) was a Vietnam vet.
I agree, it's pisses a lot of us off.
"Andy, ready to fall off the wagon?" Wow, that guy was such as ass.
I miss shows like this.
Lying is always disrespectful in shape or form to people who know the truth!
01:43 Both of my Brothers served in Vietnam, and they remember every single Town, Village and Enclave they encountered during their Tours there.
It’s occurred several times now, while waiting on line I’ve noticed from the hat that the man in back of me was a combat veteran. I immediately made certain that they then were waiting in front of me!
Later in this episode Simone comes back and kicks that guys ass
Two Right after they find Ferdinand. One of the other good parts of this ep.
Ohh, yes, that's right
Only wish someone who actually worked at Groom Lake could stand up to Bob Lazar like this...
My Dad saw many months of action in WWII and was seriously wounded during the Battle of Anzio. He despised people like Ray.
We had a guy at work who constantly bragged about his work in "Law Enforcement". One day, I asked him in front of the others, "So what exactly did you do in law enforcement?". He said he was a dispatcher.
You can spot these assholes a mile away.
I lie all the time. Difference is I got people to back up my lies.
Dispatchers are important and play a vital role in the community.
1:22
RIP Daniel von Bargen
I don't know why but for some reason stolen valor is really despicable, shameful and disgusting.
I’m not a combat vet, but I am a vet, and stolen valor makes my blood boil.
From a man who was there for real at Khe Sanh this scene has real meaning to it.
2:00 “you can tell them you own the World Trade Center”
@Barry Obama: This episode is from March, 1996. Five and a half years later, Ray sadly couldn't own the World Trade Center anymore. :(
Kim Delaney...👌
every war is hell but I feel like the jungle setting mixed with the paranoia of fighting an invisible guerilla force whom mixed perfectly with the civil population meant that there was more room for PTSD-breeding trauma events and slow mental decay even during (long) lapses in combat.
I miss that show.
I wish some channel would re-run this show.
I bet his bawls sucked up to his lungs.
Hey man... Amazon prime, every season... A whole buncha mopes, skells, and perps back to back.
It’s on Hulu also
H&i network. 4 episodes Tuesday -Saturday
@@jkmcnamara Been catching it there also.... Great show..... Loved it back then & still do....... Poor Andy tho, how many losses can one guy take....
You can watch the whole series for free on the Dailymotion app. Some episodes are a little edited but they pretty much play just fine.
Dennis Franz actually served in Vietnam with 82nd airborne
I bet Sipowicz gouged out some eyes in Vietnam.
I've never understood this stolen valour thing. Most servicemen can tell in seconds if anybody's served or not. It's not the big stuff like country, Sqn, regiment or unit that give them away its the small stuff. In the UK all servicemen will remember their last three to their dying day having said that not sure about the Navy they're a strange lot.
In the early days of my service, "they were feeding us not needing us" and very rarely did you come across any "Walters"
Then Nothern Ireland, The Falklands and Gulf war 1 & 2 hove into view and boy did they come out the woodwork. Nowadays it doesn't bother me, not my circus, not my monkeys. Unless they start claiming they were on the balcony of a certain embassy, then I may casually ask them what was their last three.
Because you KNOW those last 3.
Lmao imagine lying about storming the Iranian embassy with the SAS-probs one of the most public spec ops in recent history
Lmao initially I was like "Wait a sec we (America) never invaded Northern Ireland or the Falklands" and then I remembered other countries had TH-cam lol. Typical Yankee parochialism.
Bobby knew something was up...
"I don't know how guys drink without a purse"
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I drank before work and at lunch which thankfully was an hour.
Interesting take. I certainly agree but, of course, I wasn't there. I started college in 1974, after the US involvement had ended. There was a guy in my dorm who was older and kept telling stories about flying heliocopters, first in Vietnam, then Laos, etc. The stories got more lurid (and him more heroic, of course) as time went on. I have no idea if he was telling the truth or not, but if he wasn't, I would have wanted someone to do a Sipowicz on him. You don't lie about something like that.
That should be shown a million times. This "selfie" generation knows nothing about sacrifice, honor, hard work, truth. God have mercy on America.
I believe David Simon (Homicide, The Wire) wrote this episode.
Guy did a good job as a sleazy cop. Loved him later on Seinfeld.
Andy was the Sun Tzu of New York City detectives.
I’ve never seen the show but what a powerful seen.
Just like that waste of a Senator from Connecticut, Blumenthal!
Exactly correct!! Yet that liar still gets elected! Disgusting!
@@Gman6755 I from Connecticut and he said he was “misspoken”
A great scene standing up for the those who endured the hell of Vietnam and while it may be fine to say don't lie about your own experiences, the simple truth is the entire war was and is nothing but a series of lies. Almost everything you think you know about it is wrong.
OooRahhhhh. Andy.
No false honor...ever!!!
Hey! Nielsen from Basic Instinct!
I have worked with a lot of men that served in Vietnam. One man worked with would leave the room when another guy would start talking about it. The first guy I mentioned was wounded there, and did not believe what the other guy had to say. He would speak with me when I was alone, but he let me know he did not like the other guy or trust him. There was a Vietnamese guy we worked with, that was a good guy, and out of respect for him the first guy made a point of not speaking about the war.
Dennis was airborne
They did this in Season 9 too.
Bobby simone was so cool in a subtle way..
Laying the foundation for a super cool Nero.
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John Goodman in the “Big Lebowski “.
In British military parlance, there are two types of people. 'Walt's' named after Walter Mitty, guys who lie and pretend they served in the Armed Forces but never did, and 'Bloaters'.......guys who DID serve in the Armed Forces in some capacity, but they exaggerate what they did during their service, they embellish to make themselves feel better. This guy in this scene DID serve, but embellished about what he did: Grade A Bloater!!
I feel like the one missed beat here is that Ray could suddenly have gotten very specific after Andy got demanding. Something like "257th Vehicle Maintenance Battalion. Couple miles west of Tan Son Nhut airfield." Make it clear even if he's a bullshitter and had an easier tour than Andy, it still affected him in similar ways. That way Andy can give his final lines at like a "5" intensity instead of an "8"; firm but not threatening.
Never try to bullshit a vet, no matter the war, it never ends well. Veterans (especially those of a combat variety) are one group of people you never want to push over the edge.
Eh, I know this character was set up to be lying, but the fact that one of his flaws in his lie is "he didn't remember every single one of his duty stations" isn't really that accurate. I work with my state VA, and there are a LOT of veterans who don't remember details like that. And actively try and forget the years they were in the service. Especially if they had a lot of bad shit happen. Plenty do remember those details sure, but plenty don't.
I do like that Andy didn't look down on him for being in a maintenance unit while in 'Nam. He just accepts that like "ok yeah, plenty of people were there, not all of them had to fight. That's not their fault if they weren't in a fighting unit and were in support" So he just says "Then you tell them that." I do appreciate that bit. Especially since combat unit or not, everyone over there got hit with Agent Orange. So even if he never saw combat, he's been exposed to a nasty ass chemical, that will make him REALLY likely to get diagnosed with some nasty medical conditions later in life. The LEAST dangerous condition from AO exposure is a form of acne, that just statistically nobody ever seemed to have contracted. The next least deadly is prostate cancer. All the others, are not fun conditions, that will pretty much be guaranteed to be the thing that kills you later in life.
Denis Franz was Airborne and Recon in Vietnam
Apparently Dennis Franz served in Vietnam, with both the 82 Airborne and the 101st Airborne.
I actually feel sorry for people like that
Dennis's acting is first-rate here. I wonder what he drew on for that? Lemme just Wikipedia the guy and....
Holy shit Dennis served in Vietnam. How did I not know that?
I know a guy that wears a hat. VIET NAM ERA VETERAN. I asked him were you in Nam ? No he was based in Korea. WTF !! I got to get a Cold War Era veteran hat. Or the 300 Battle of Thermopylae hat since I was stationed in Greece in the 70s.
That Kim Delaney was hot af
In the day
Mega elite booh yeah 😀
Don Shipley has entered the chat. Dennis Fransz was actually there.
“You couldn’t smooth a silk sheet if you had a hot date with a babe”!
Like half of this show is people stepping away to have a private conversation. And almost all are great scenes.
Tell the truth so Sippy doesn't get up in your face with that delightful breath of his.
Seriously, that's obviously very special and important to the people who were there, many of whom gave their lives.. for what? What did we win in Viet Nam?
Gary Solorzano
I dont know if you've ever servied in the military. Im 3rd generation veteran. My Uncle Joe served 2 tours in Vietnam 67-69, armored cav. out of Fort Campbell Kentucky. Your question, what did we win? Makes it sound like a game of some kind. Please don't. If you've never served in combat yiu will never understand. For the men and women whi have served in combat, its not about winning. Its about doing the job you were trained to do, meet your objectives and do your damned level best to come home to your family and bring the men and women thought fought along side you home too.
@@darrenheadrick3669 I never did serve Darren, and I respect the service you and your family dedicated to the country. On a personal level everything you said is 100% correct. On a national level, the last time I checked the idea of going to war is.... To win it and come home. The politicians at the time didn't make that the goal, and Viet Nam was a disgrace from that perspective sir. Just my opinion. You're entitled to yours of course.
I respect anyone who's put on the uniform and served. You do so at the behest of the politicians who send you into harm's way. After Kennedy was assassinated, it was left to LBJ and Nixon. Their goals weren't the same as Kennedy's.
Besides, my initial remarks were about Sipowicz here. And I said how important it was to his character that people tell the truth about their service, nothing else.
If you choose to be offended by that, sorry.
@@garysolorzano3216 it doesn't matter about what they win it's about how they serve their country when it was called to do so. Andy just did not want him to lie or over exaggerate his tour of duty in Vietnam.
The war was a horrible mistake and Lyndon Johnson is a war criminal for needlessly escalating it, but the soldiers who were sent there did their duty, and I can respect their valor even if it was being exploited. Even if you don't respect that, you gotta acknowledge they suffered a thankless ordeal no human should be put through.
My late father was a Combat Infantryman in the 29th divison.. Landed on Omaha Beach on D Day plus 1 and last until August 10 when a mortar round almost took off his right leg. Suffered from it the rest of his life. He would go to reunions of men who were in the 29th but that was it . He said the American Legion was full of men who never heard a shot fired in anger . Phoney Flag Wavers was his term for them.
That's nonsense! I served for 12 years in the Army (1980-1992) and never heard a shot fired in anger either! That doesn't mean that my service was useless!! I was there and ready to be called on at a seconds notice. I thank GOD every day my training and service wasn't needed but to call service members that didn't fight in combat "Phony Flag Wavers"is an insult!! And by the way, when and where did YOU serve??
@@sarge6870 USNR 66 till 72. Two years active , 4 reserve. Honorable discharge. A year and a half of the two years active on Guam. That good enough for you? I never said anybody who was not a Combat veteran did not serve Honorably. Just that too many people who belong to the AL act like they are Audie Murphy or Chesty Puller when they never even left the States.
@@sarge6870 Nothing was false about what he said: recounting a man who went through hell having a jaded view of those who hadn't yet acted like they did. It's a perfectly understandable sentiment given his father's circumstances. I'd add that any man who gets his leg nearly blown off for my country has the right to be about as ornery as he likes.
Hey the motorized vehicles don't maintain or repair themselves. If it's got 2 moving parts in time, it will need to be repaired. Someone got to keep them flying, floating, wheels and tracks moving.
Yes but you do not lie about being in the shit and the mud in combat.
My Dad was in Nam. Just being in that hellhole was enough
Now the question is did he see any combat?
@@attiepollard7847 he did
@@Fatherofheroesandheroines I don't think he saw combat or else Andy wouldn't be this serious about it. There is a difference between spending time at a base when you're on tour versus being in combat situations.. a lot of combat veterans take that seriously versus people who just stayed on the base.
Legs Diamond. 😂
Before Don Shipley there was Andy.
Nam
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He was asoldier who saw real war in Vietnam .
you weren't there man
legs diamond LOL
Tell the truth. Better off that way.
Stolen Valor is infuriating...
He probably wasn't even in a maintenance unit in Vietnam. These stolen valor fucks tell so many lies they start to believe their own tales after a bit. I was a gloried crane operator and folk lift driver in the army and I'm proud of my service. Some of the years of my life.
He was in the Marines with the maintenance unit right? Even though he did not see any combat action can he still say that he was in Vietnam?
Not about ‘nam
So he did go to Nam. No veteran should trash another vet no matter what they did or what their job was. He demeaned him. I would have went outside and settled his ass
Iranian Bob we now know what you think about huh Iranian Bob?
Iranian Bob I still work for the DOD dummy. Since the age of 17. I’m over 60 now. You forgot to add “in the rear with the gear”. You are a “Bob”. No arms no legs and floats in the water. Now go pat yourself on the back and say to yourself I’m a good boy, my mommy said so....
He never demeaned him. He asked him what capacity he served in, and the guy said "a maintenance capacity", and Andy told him "then you say that". He never made fun of that, or told him that his service didn't matter, he just told him to tell the truth. Because there's nothing to demean. Nothing wrong with being in a maintenance role. My dad was a crew chief on F-4s, and some damn fool would shoot at them about once a week. And the bitch of it, they weren't allowed to shoot back, unless they could prove it was VC shooting at them. Well who the hell else would it be, the Girl Scouts? To say nothing of the fact that the only one armed, was the line chief, and every time the shooting stared, the line chief jumped in his truck and hauled ass. Andy was in the right on this one. Don't say you kicked down doors, when you didn't. Tell the truth about what you did, and if your service was honorable, then be around of it, no matter what it was.
Do you read well? You certainly lack comprehension skills.
My Uncle and Father were USMC grunts at that time and far as I can tell the insult is the fact he's lying about getting into the thick of it. The men who saw the most action....at least going on my dad's tales...don't talk about it much. Hell I didn't even know my dad was a door gunner until I was in my late twenties. Prior to that I assumed he was just a Photographer for their PR department. My uncle was a line cook...and apparently had to haul ass into a trench during a shelling
Stolen valor is wrong.
Americal division was not outside Saigon. Bogus.
Ummmm... It was very well established in the scene that he was lying.
@@keithmorgan742 Ummm... the small detail confirms it.
Isandy drinking scotch ?
#stolenvalor
Dennis Franz served in Vietnam