Please keep in mind the rankings mostly come from how easy / difficult it is for a new player to pick up and learn how to use a weapon, not necessarily how to master it
you don't need to do this, Ex4+ mission is the hardest. and ex4+ mission is the hardest when you using gun then two sword(not enough time to move and shoot and dodge ), The hardest is when you start at online during fighting ex4 boss, some one join the game, than boss ai turn to level 2-4 in the same time, then you probably get the catcar combo by the ai up leveling
to be honest with you i think your wrong on CB its not that hard to learn only the guard point was a pain for me the rest is quite simple i thin CB should go in easy/medium difficulty
Personally I think greatsword should go a bit higher in difficulty. While it’s easy to swing it at the target dummy and learn it’s combos, most players that don’t also know the monsters (ie new players) can time out very easily cuz they can’t do enough damage/don’t have the openings. Just a personal thought. I tried to start with gs way back in tri.
I have to disagree for GS. While the move set is simple, you have to know monsters moves a lot more than other weapons. You have to spend time with the weapon, getting used to its speed and know what you’re hunting. I’d personally put it in between medium and hard because it’s simplicity, but you need the knowledge to use the weapon properly.
100% this. I’m running GS for the first time and even with the new, less charge-focused playstyle I’ve been forced to pay much closer attention to monsters than ever before. It’s actually making me wish I’d picked it up sooner, as I feel like it’s forcing me to become a better player overall!
Okay now here me out I’m a decently good veteran causal MH player. Not too good, not too bad. Picked up GS around a month and a half ago, didn’t even go to the training room to test it out learners it in about two hours against valstrax and the apexes. Not to mention that I absolutely beat their asses with 8 minute runs after just picking it up. Even with that said though, I’d still put in the middle of the road in terms of how easy it is to use. Although, by all accounts it is an extremely skillful weapon when it comes to games throughout the series. Respect to all GS mains out there.
@@scarsch2818 I get what you’re saying but at that point, you’ve played Monster Hunter enough to understand the attack patterns and such of the monsters already. So it would be natural for you to get the timings right pretty quickly. One of the reasons I main GS because it forces you to learn the monster a lot quicker to make sure you hit those big damage TCS and RS. That being said, however, for somebody new to Monster Hunter picking up the GS thinking it’s easy is going to have a pretty rude awakening when they don’t get the damage they want without the knowledge they need beforehand. I wouldn’t consider it mechanically hard by all means lmao. The smoothest brain weapon mechanically requires some of the most monster knowledge out of all the weapons.
I would place it hard because of the amount of people i see online who dont use it properly. To many people think they will be fast anime characters with it only to realize you need to charge the weapon, have good placement, and learn the monsters moves.
the 2 rules of charge blade. 1. do you know the minimum to function with it? if yes see 2 2. set ego to 120% and call yourself a master when you only know the bare minimum
There are only two types of charge blade users: 1. The ones that doesn't understand the basics; 2. The ones that does understand the basics just enough to question themselves how the hell does speed runners pull off guard points.
@@Mister5597 no theres a 3rd type who are just slightly worse than speedrunners. Most of them originiated in 4U. CB was my first monhun weapon and it is not hard at all/
CB is not hard but its needlessly complex for something that isn't that strong. You need to charge phials, buff shield, then charge again only to release some mediocre attacks that's barely rival a LS iai slash dmg.
The best way to learn CB is to go play 4U or GU first in order to learn the fundamentals. I can play CB at a basic level but boy do I suck at guard points.
From what I see from streamers new to lance so far, despite being a simple weapon, people usually get thrown off by the Lance when they try it for the first time due to how slow and not flashy it is. I wish people could give Lance more time to present itself. If you can get over the first impression of how slow the weapon is, Lance is super fun to use and is actually pretty mobile.
yup and even if it slow it isn't as turtle as people think you can be really aggressive with it and its a very fun weapon even with a super basic moveset.
I agree Just yesterday i use lance. And the new guard skill is good. My poking combos is around 2-3 poke the guard dash+reposition and poke guard rinse and repeat. Lol.... Its damned fun but also tiring. Lol..
Ngl, when I first use lance on P3rd I laughed by how simple it is, you just "poking". Long story short, I love lance next to SnS and Gunlance. (Yeah, I love shielded weapon lol)
@@darkhero2 As a gunlance main, it will not fix the issue that we will run into with the content updates coming. At base rise, Gunlance actually was pretty strong, but then new armor sets released for other playstyles and the other weapons got more damage options, and could affect their damage in more ways. With Gunlance, shell damage can only be increased so much, and the rest of it is just increasing pokes which are pretty strong now, but still you have to split your skill slots into to buffing two forms of dps (shells and physical). So, meaning that the armor sets we have right now will probably be the optimal sets for gunlance to use throughout the entire content cycle. TLDR; updates make other weapons go brrrr. Gunlance has a hard cap on how much you can increase its damage and thus gets weaker as the game goes on.
@@LockedOnTargetShow Well since they went out of their way to up Gunlance in Sunbreak and it has been quite the point of frustration for many players, they may just, you know, keep giving good sets for GL as well? Pretty sure we're getting Seething Bazel soon in a title update and from what I understand at least with base Bazel, his armor was basically built for yall.
@@theworstcatholic7247 Not to mention they could still just increase shelling levels even further or make new skills that would benefit gunlance specifically.
As a hack n slash enjoyer (and newcomer to the series), I initially thought that dual blades or long sword would be my weapons, but Charge Blade is amazing, extremely strong, good learning curve and ver well all rounded.
Same started with Longsword, hammer and then Dualblades, after that Chargeblade. Literally the best weapon, it is the jack of all trades, but an incredible well explosive allrounder that is just satisfying to use. Feels like straight out of Warhammer 40k and you take that weapon on a holy crusade with you against monsters.
The thing with SnS is, it can be a bit deceptive. I think people have started respecting the weapon a bit more in the more recent games, but there was a point where people barely played it, for a simple reason: They heard it was the beginner weapon, played it, were very underwhelmed with the results, concluded it was bad and moved on to bigger weapons. Because SnS has somewhat of a hidden, second skill floor, going from just "playing it" to sufficiently utilizing its kit to its fullest and keeping an excellent uptime, as the low motion values on basically all of its basic attacks mean that you need to be constantly hitting the monster to keep up damagewise, unless you want to find yourself taking half an hour to kill anything. Like, take CB for instance: If you don't know what you are doing, then you will at least realize as much, because it's you whiffing attacks or not figuring out how the mechanics work. And odds are, even then you probably won't take too long to kill the monster because it has really powerful attacks. With SnS, you will trick yourself into believing that you are playing it well because you are hitting the monster and are not getting hit, when in fact you aren't performing any better and losing out on way more damage.
Not a really fair point because I think except Bowguns, EVERY weapons need to be mastered at high level, make use of slightest moves that casual players didn't think of... to make the best out of it's dps. Like those speedrunner always do atleast 2x faster kill compare to the same weapon used, and I use lot of weapons. Back then SnS dps can be underwelming but since MHGU and MHWI it's a beast, in Sunbreak too
I don't understand why you're comparing it to CB, the only weapon that literally STOP YOU FROM DAMAGING MONSTER if you don't know how to store the phial. You would constantly be bouncing with Sword/Shield mode until you learn how to store those phial, or switch to Axe mode, which is possibly on par with lance, unsheathed GS, and HBG as some of the least mobile weapon in the game.
Glaive can be a bit confusing at first, but can be fun to use too. After I looked into the new kinsects, some of them are pretty good. Hell, I didn't even know there was an ability with them out using strong+normal attacks. Drawing in powders if you can is really satisfying. Wish we had more types available in Sunbreak, but I had to move on from the convenience of sapping two buffs at once at some point.
Also as a glaive main, the new speed kinsect while not flashy as the boosted powder or vortex kinsect, the new speed ones can work as a reverse Dragon Piercer that can either Cut monster parts/Stun in a reliable manner and topple monsters. If you charge the new speed insects if the monster is between you and the bug, it will pierce the monster when called back from 4 to 8 hits. The stun variant is basically a topple/stun machine and it is pretty satisfying as their damage stack up and can do several interruptions quite consistently during the hunt as the charge is super fast and the damage is quite nice as well at higher Kinsect levels. I'm a HH and IG main and Rise/Sunbreak has been a treat, now with Espinas on Sunbreak that mean the embargo/contract that kept MH:Frontier stuff out of our reach is done so we could also expect Tonfa, Magnet Spike and possibly Accel Axe to join the rooster in a future game! IG need it's other aerial brother and sisters!
For me, I tried glaive in Rise after maining it in 4U and not touching it since, and I couldn't get into it. Maybe it's just not for me, but it feels like it's trying to be two weapons at the same time; it felt like there was just way too many things to keep track of while using it.
A big factor in how easy a weapon is to pick up is the game plan. While a versatile weapon like sns can be good for a new player, it lacks a clear game plan (since the plan is to do everything). On the other hand, a new player with a hammer can easily see that the goal is to bonk the head, and the moving charge means they can hold it, wait for the opening, then bonk. And when you want to switch weapons once you've acquired a bit of experience, you'll have an easier time understanding the great sword game plan than the sns game plan.
I've never played SNS, just bow and charge blade.. I and I agree with your idea. Charge blade has a plan, charge up. Big hit with phials. Bow has a plan, but it isn't obvious. Once I figured that out, it all made sense.
Gunlance has always been my favorite weapon, and in older games it felt a lot harder, but in this game they gave it a bit more mobility which made it a lot easier (for me) to use. I do agree that damage is low so carrying bombs is definitely helpful
I don’t know where this sentiment came from that the damage is low but I wholly disagree. My build is has artillery and and magazine size, at peak performance my funlance is ~10k a min. While my charge blade is ~9k a min. The dmg in battle is different bc charge blade can put in hits more consistently but with the addition of full burst a proper gunlance player can also be very consistent with dmg.
Bro just use the shotgun loop and watch your damage take off. Y+B>Y>B>Y+B>RT+B Rinse and repeat, use wyvern fire on knockdown and forget stake exists 90% of the time
After having so much fun with the wyrmstake blast in World, I really missed it in Rise. Almost felt like GL got nerfed by losing it. The added mobility it got is nice though.
@@johnbaylie7991 I know right, I remember when I first started mhr doing 1k with wyvern fairly early, and now i can one shot most starting monsters like askom, ketzu, and the fat turtle (i forgot the name) with the wyvern fire. (I run pure damage builds though)
gunlances dammage is insain its only bad if u go poke poke u need to go poke boom boke boom poke boom when ur stakes up do ur and use ur wyvern fire to make urself a human missile ull delete monsters fast as hell
I feel like sword and shield is simple, but it definitely demands a lot from players. It requires a lot of uptime and any time not spent attacking piles up quickly worsening the player overall performance. The shoryugeki and shield bash have definitely helped people create openings and have a pseudo-ultimate attack to lessen the effects of not having constant uptime.
yes im feeling it too. if u want to be compete with other weapons then u have to attack constantly. but also its quite possible because of the weapon itself so its okay for me. also u can run around a monster and are not stuck in any attack most of the time... i would rank them in easy - not simple. because as a player u have a lot of choices here in the armor sets too. - almost no skill tax and so one...
@@frenchbloo The same as I see it. You can teach anyone how to play with SnS and they will kill everything. Maybe it will take 49 min, but they will do it. Now, if you want to kill them fast and use the weapon to the fullest, thats where the weapon shines and shows how truly hard mastering it is
2:10 the backstep for the SnS DOES have invincibility frames and is great for avoiding roars from monsters, but can also be effectively used for any attack as long as it doesn't have a lingering hit box.
I definitely needed some guides starting out, but I always felt like Charge Blade is easier than people make it out to be. But I think that's just my opinion, plus starting it back in World where SAED spam was basically the only thing you needed to do.
lol this guy rated it as very hard even after saying it was easier than switch axe. My friends have been giving me shit for using the LS (what can i say i play aggressive so counters are sorta my schtick and im a weeb who loves flashy moves) and not even 10 minutes after looking up a guide I was already using the CB with no issue.
@@Argonachtx The main concept of CB is easy, i agree with his assessment of it being easier than SA seeing as how he's judging based on how difficult it is to pick up and actually put the moveset into basic use. But CB's skill ceiling is far higher than SA, just as high as LS except CB has actual stakes if you make mistakes as well as chip damage
i played a lot of charge blade in iceborne, but in rise there is something odd about the timings and feeling of the weapon, so i can say that i have sub 5 hunts with charge blade now. because it just feels god awfull to me for some reason.
@@ascended8174 what do you mean actual stakes? if you miss a parry with a LS you get hit 95% of the time unless you're lucky and manage to move out of the attack in the counter. In my opinion CB looks hard since it has so many things attributed to it but I find it much easier than it seems to be if you just look up a guide or 2.
@@Deniziozioz LS no longer loses or consumes spirit gauge levels when using/missing a counter, and you have so many ways of gaining it as well as maintaining it with Sunbreaks new counter zone silkbind and the built-in Iai Slash. LS has little to no downside when missing counters other than getting hit, which is the bare minimum punishment Meanwhile CB has to deal with chip damage even on successful blocks and GPs, and it's not a guaranteed hit because unlike LS's virtually 360 range, CB's counter-attacks are vertical excluding Ready Stance. All that as well as having to wonder if you'll get hit during your recovery animations for S/AEDs because we can't chain it as fast as QS3 ISS spams So yeah, LS has little to lose and pretty much everything to gain. It has a better defence than shielded weapons and better counters than the original counter weapons like CB and Lance
People need to stop saying that Dual Blades lack damage. They don’t. They lack damage PER HIT. This is balanced out by the fact that they hit extremely quickly and even do multiple hits per input. It’s a very simple concept. If one weapon hits for 10 damage and another can land two 5 damage hits in the same time frame, their DPS is the same. If you want to say their damage output is low, then you’ll need to explain how that works relative to other weapons and what they can output.
Sure your greatsword hit does 3,000 damage when you land it, but in the time you spent missing and building up to the 3rd hit of the combo the DS user has probably met or even exceeded that damage
@@CampyClaptrap yes this is what needed to be said..some people like GS bcos they like to see the big numbers. But they cant even see that other fast weapon like DB and Bow can dish out that same dmg but by adding up smaller number in that same amount of time.
That’s my stance on the S&S. Given how much time I’ve put into this weapon over others, I myself rarely hit anything less than hundreds. Coupled with countless options to go about damage, it’s never really an unsafe weapon. That being said, the shield isn’t as effective as other weapons (there are some attacks that others could block, larger attacks). I can’t ever really fail a quest with the weapon in hand, though that’s probably due to my familiarity.
@@CampyClaptrap th-cam.com/video/FMrJci84tOI/w-d-xo.html&ab_channel=FoxInvictus watch this video. And remember, This data is taking from a speedrun forum where you need to hit your attack as much as possible as fast as possible.
I'm not going to lie I sort of do miss having to memorize some of the songs because when I pulled the songs off in dire situation and give my team a buff they definitely needed I felt proud of myself but adding Simplicity as things evolve is the best way to go.
I'm sorry i am a big noob who only started with MH World, but memorizing songs like in a fucking music sheet seems so needlessly stressful. I have a friend who hates the new Horn changes, but i personally love the simplification and i play horn much more now in rise in comparison to world
hard disagree. neither way is better. they could have both be options in the form of a style or something. you could have new HH and classic HH and please both groups. make the new HH have simpler combos but less potent buffs and old HH have more and more complicated combos but the buffs are more powerful and this is just one idea. making things too simple will just lead to dumbing the game down too much in the long run making all the weapons one note but having simpler options and big emphasis on options can help newer players get into the game
I used to play a lot of hh back in the old games because it's such a unique weapon. But now it just feels like a generic big hammer with flashier moves.
Switch Axe is one of those weapons that gets 2 ratings depending on if they have Evade Extender 2 or not. The weapon doesn't use stamina, Evade Extender 2 is just completely perfect. Makes side steps go out enough for most attacks. Makes your sword forward roll faster than running. + the Sunbreak counter. My god it's a beautiful kit now.
I find it equally easy in both cases, I just like unga bunga compressed discharge spam and counter. I have a switch skill set devoted to each playstyle and its glorious
Switch Axe is always the best unga bunga weapon for me. No need for specific timing, deals more damage than DB yet it's still relatively fast compared to GS, it's all offense and almost no defense
as a swaxe main id say i dont use evade extender at all and im usually the person doing the most damage if not second most on top of hardly ever dying/ getting hit maybe its pure experience or dumb luck but i see no need for evade extender when your not really getting hit.
True as all hell. I know a guy that always recommends to learn to use all the weapons to at least an okay level, because each weapon teach you something important and adds to your playstyle in surprising ways.
This is very true, I started with Kinsect and even today when there is a monster that is giving me or my friend a hard time to defeat I take Kinsect and it seems that I am invincible.
Not true. People have likes & dislikes based on life experience, personality if you will. Which in turn caters to their playstyle. Have tried them all. Have played from the beginning (MH on PS2 & so on). Some weapons I hate with a passion. Insect Glaive is pure garbage imo. Bow is super boring. Lance & dual blades are meh (1 does boring pokes, the other is like you running around & pretending to hunt monsters with 2 kitchen knives, was never able to take DB hunters seriously). Hunting horn is just weird (can't say if it's bad or not, never bothered to master it - something tells me that going out of your way for certain buffs in the middle of combat is going to be annoying, even more so when they are not optimal moves for real combat. Also looking for openings to buff yourself or others feels annoying. Aren't those wasted seconds you could be doing damage instead?). All the other weapons are quite fun & make sense.
@@oriandthesleepytime A weapon that is easy for one person might be hard for another as that playstyle goes against their very nature. In short, even likes & dislikes (personality based on life experience) come into play on how hard or easy a weapon is to learn/play (this is the answer to the video). Regarding the main comment. I might take Insect Glaive, play a whole game with it but end up hating it still. So it is clearly not about which weapon you play the most within 1 MH game.. Over the course of multiple series, people want variety, play a weapon or 2 with each series to get good at it but some just won't click with them. Plus the fact that some weapons are more fluid in one game than the other. My opinion on all the weapons from my previous comment stay true. IG is garbage, Lance/Bow are boring braindead weapons, DB can't be taken seriously with bigger monsters (no matter how much you jump or twirl around) & HH is just weird (can't say if it's good or bad weird as I don't have experience with that weapon; I'm leaning towards good weird I guess).
Dual Blades is the most fun to play since I main it. It might come to disappointment for some who love big burst damage in a single strike or two, but I really love the dual blades mechanics in mhr. Give it some time and you'll learn how to dodge deadly dmg (Others can dodge it too lol :P).
I'm playing with the long sword and the dual blades just due to me tryna recreate Geralt of Rivia as a character. But I have realized I absolutely love the over aggressive, ravaging style of the dual blades. Insanely good movement, harassing style, decent damage output considering how you buff your character and what you use.
As a dual blades main, I love the manic energy you can achieve with later builds. Using demon mode combined with the furious skill makes me feel like a legitimate speed demon. It’s way too overlooked. It’s such a fun ass weapon and it does consistent damage versus big hit damage. The perfect weapon for people with ADHD
I would add a major point into the calculation for the blunt weapons (Hammer/ HH): With the sharp weapons you can basically attack the monster form where ever you like. With the blunt weapons you will have to go for the head, to deal a good amount dmg, which is usually the part of a monster where u do not want to stand, because they focus their attacks usually on the frontside of their bodies. This is especially noticible with rajang, for him i would always go for a sword, because you definetly dont want to look into that mans eyes/fists. Would probably rank them at the top of the mid category, maybe at the lowest of hard
As a Hammer Bro, Rajang is one of the easier fights, his attacks end with a pause promote hitting his head safely especially when he does the mouth beam. Fights like Diablos/Basarios/Barroth are much more unpleasant since once you KO them you generally need to move to another body part to do good damage. If you’re newer with hammer, fights like Anjanath where the head is harder to pin down take longer at first.
@@nikkof5384 Hammer in late-tier Sunbreak is definitely bumped up to at least Hard tier. Afflicted monsters move ridiculously fast and give you almost no openings for their head unless they aren't aggro on you for whatever reason. You need all the positioning awareness of GS to succeed unless you play Courage, and even then you can't use Water Strike while charging so you end up using Keeping Sway to dodge damage (which is super inconsistent IME).
Lance isn't as simple as it seems. The combos are simple, yes and you can always just keep your shield up for defense. But utising onsta block and anchor rage takes high knowledge of monsters and timings. Also since its a low mibility weapon, beginners might find themselves not getting enough hits in unless the monster chooses to stay on top of them. Especially in mulyiplayer. Learning how to close the gap with lance without risking damage takes quite a bit of practice.
His grading is very weird since Lance is also one of the slowest traversing weapon to used & good positioning is definitely not newbie friendly. With most weapons, you can easily run & dodge from the fight, meanwhile with lance, you must be good at side/back steps & guarding, otherwise dies veru easily. My point is basically Lance is the hardest one & totall not newbie friendly because it is not forgiving with any mistakes.
actually that shield is a nerf. With so many counters in this game lance and gunlance kinda lost its identity as the definitive defense weapon. playing the poke poke poke strategy lose you so much dps
This is my first Monster Hunter game, and I love the concept of the Charge blade. I like how I can keep switching between defensive and offensive. Yeah, you slow down with the axe out, but I keep my finger close to ZR just in case I need to switch back to move faster, or immediately put up that shield.
I think what most people underestimate is the versatility of the CB, If you meet the requirements. You got everything covered from high defense play with a charged shield in sword-mode, fast paced attacks that piece every hide with a charged sword in sword-mode, multihit midrange chainsaw-mode to the all-in longrange (for a melee weapon) SAED
I want to like Charge Blade but the lack of any good low commitment attacks makes it feel awful in Sunbreak since most of the MR monsters have crackhead energy.
This is so weird to me because the first weapon I learned where I felt comfortable to play the game was with Charge Blade and this was without me looking up which weapon was beginner friendly. I was shocked when people told me it's considered complicated when I feel intimidated to play other weapons like Switch Axe or Longsword
I've had a similar experience, started with 3U and every weapon I tried felt like a curve. CB arrived in 4U and it instantly made sense (with a few obvious surprises later on, didn't charge my shield until master rank, lol). Been a main since.
He's talking about one of three skill thresholds, and it's the lowest one. The bare minimum to access the functions of sword and shield are pretty X or A to attack and hold R, back A to do a charged attack for aerial, and press Y to use an item. The bare minimum to access the functions of greatsword are hold X until it flashes the third time and release to do a big hit. The bare minimum to use HBG is aim and shoot, dunno why it isn't the easiest. For CB, the bare minimum is understanding how yellow charges three phials and red charged five, hold A to charge quickly, don't hold any direction during A or you'll slide (an unpleasant change in World unfortunately kept in Rise), RA to store phials, XA XA R to transfer phials to your shield, R to morph to axe, charged shield axe A button attacks or XA shield bash to deal high damage and elemental/KO buildup, morph to axe to guard point which can chain into (U)AED, XA XA in sword mode or XA in shield mode to UAED, hold back and press X to cancel UAED into regular AED, hold RA while storing phials and release it at the right time to charge the sword. Once you know all these basics, CB is actually one of the easiest weapons to play competently AND masterfully, but it definitely has one of the highest if not the highest barrier of entry. Personally, I think competence is more important than the barrier of entry. Barrier of entry is basically irrelevant, and the fact that he brings up the LoL comparison at the beginning confuses matters more because the barrier of entry for every single LoL champion is extremely low, but he's talking about the competency threshold, and then says it only takes a few minutes to learn any MH weapon, when that is only true for the barrier of entry and not the competency threshold.
I think all weapons are pretty simple once you put the time in to learn it but I often find myself instinctively sticking to a weapon or two at the start of each game and I really wish I was more open to try out all the weapons and different playstyles.
I love how my charge blade can be an oversized pizza cutter that can go "BOOM". Fell in love with it in MHW. I used to be a LS main and a HBG user in world. I'm still struggling to utilize wirebugs in combos in rise.
Love this. Only change I'd make is swapping GS and Bow, then it's perfect. Bow has safety by nature. I'm newer to MH and bow was my first main. I didn't have to know monsters nearly as well as I do for GS. And GS newbs whiff CONSTANTLY.
I have to disagree, I do main bow and it can be difficult sometimes to use. Finding monsters weak points and consistently hitting them without getting hit yourself since you must maintain a close to medium range. Along with that, unless you have a good build bow is very weak.
@@brandonhartman3516 I'm not saying bow is easy, I'm saying it's easier to newcomers than GS. GS is the harder weapon. I'm a newcomer. I mained bow until I switched to GS. I switch back to bow for harder fights I'm not familiar with until I learn the monster. It has great mobility (GS has some of the worst in the game) You don't need to memorize monsters (GS has to) Bow is extremely forgiving if you whiff (GS whiffs get you punished and has slow DPS if you aren't good)
@@SolaceAndDread this I can partially agree with. You still need to memorize monsters to precisely hit and exploit weak points. But yes bow has high mobility which to me is soooooo nice. GS is a whole nother animal.
@@brandonhartman3516 Most of the ranged weapons I'd say are easy for a veteran player to pick up. They have so much more survivability baked into the kit and loadouts these days and so much offensive power that you can brute force a lot of monsters down if you have a basic understanding of the weapons and a decent loadout. For a new player, bow in particular is so mobile and you will still do good enough damage compared to i.e. a hammer or lance even if you don't play bow optimally. It will just take a long time, but at least you have a bit more time to react to monsters, and tons of evasiveness to deal with their attacks. I'd put it alongside something like the SnS, where the SnS is safe to use for a new player, and not too hard to understand the basics, but you aren't doing good enough damage if you don't abuse immunity frames to push your up time damaging the monster, perfectly time the perfect rush and choose the right opportunities to do so, and perfectly time counter attacks. If you don't pick an SnS loaded with good stats and sharpness, you also probably aren't going to be feeling so great about your hunt times, so in essence both weapons are pretty accessible, but with higher skill ceilings.
Personally, I’d have to disagree with the Gunlance position. Being a GL main since the start of Rise, it’s not exactly difficult to pick up the combos, nor the place GL players should be in: close to the monster and tanking/drawing aggro with the endemic life (blanking on the name) while some of your more agile friends dish out a ton of damage. The Wyvern Fire grants you shield usage, and you can tank pretty much any attack, including my old nemesis the Magnamalo tail shot (or whatever the actual move is called). Idk it just felt easy after being a dual blade and bow user back in GU. Tho I have strayed towards the Charge blade as of late because I don’t have the materials to make the sinister shadowshot+ in master rank.
Seems like a lot of people didn't like these takes, eh? These aren't bad placements for the most part. Gunlance could stand to be moved down to medium, and dual swords could be moved UP to medium as well, but all in all these placements make good sense. I think most of the dislikes comes from people thinking you're talking shit on their weapon.
as someone who loves them, dual swords is quite literally one of the easiest weapons in the game. Enter demon mode, dont demon dance at a bad time, and you have an insane dps, 2-3 move combo machine.
Agreed with you, people often try to amp the complexity of their weapons and forgets that is just the difference between being a good veteran hunter or someone new
I think a lot of it is people not listening when he repeats that this is to learn not to master eg sword and shield it's very easy to learn however in my opinion it is the most difficult to master out of all of them
DB in medium? Fucking lol, no, they should be in their own "ultra simple" category. The effort vs. payoff ratio on DB is insanely disproportionate. They're so easy to play with basically zero drawbacks.
Rise was my first MH ever. After spending 200 hunts as a CB main, the transition to the counter on SA is the hardest part ever for me in this game. Using the CB decently is easier than landing the SA counter, at least for me. Well difficulty really is subjective.
I've been maining Gunlance and Insect Glaive in Sunbreak so far. I also have Great Sword and HBG spread Meta builds. Gunlance does not have low dps anymore. The new blast attack switch skill makes mince meat out of monsters and packs a serious punch. It usually hits for over a thousand damage and with wirebug whisperer on I'm launching that attack a hell of a lot. A little practice and you can be dealing just as much if not more than any of the heavy hitter weapons.
GL mains are blessed with this expansion. When i get sunbreak in the future, I'll be glad to try out how it goes. I've been a gl main since 4U, although I've been a normal burst fire user, although now, since i started playing World recently, I've come to enjoy the Wide gunlances playstyle.
@@Swifthead Yeah, i started playing GL in rise, i was a lance main in world. i mainly play normal burst fire, but i have also been starting to play wide, i don't really play long that much, but every shelling type is pretty enjoyable in my eyes.
@@justinmoraal4764 nice! I've never really cared for Long or its playstyle, but im always happy for people whoms it does, if even slightly enough to sometimes play long. The Lance in World was going to be my secondary weapon, But using it against Coral Pukei Pukei with the mind of a gunlance player doesnt really work well when your buttons arent what you think they are.
On what planet does SnS not have i-frames when backstepping? It’s been a thing since it was first introduced (the backstep I mean). Even without Evade Window it has ENORMOUS i-frames, you can practically dodge everything with it. Except lingering hitboxes, those will still get ya.
Correct. It's actually an eternity of s wrt other sources. Foresight slash is tied with it for the most s in the game, equating to ~0.66s of immunity. By comparison 5 points in evade window only gets you 0.3s.
I think I'd place L n GL higher as it's easy to overlook the unintuitive movement as a barrier to entry, one of the things that probably turns away many players from sticking to em
Totally agree with that lol. When i first started mhw as my first entry to the series i wanted a somewhat cool weapon, tried the lance, was immediately thrown of by the seemingly slow movement and just switched to dual blades lol
As a long sword player since World, I think I would agree with your placement, as it is based on the skill floor rather than ceiling. Still, though, a weapon like long sword just gets better the better you get with it, making it a great weapon for new players, as they will find that they get rewarded for playing better, making it feel like that as they profess through the game, they get better both as a hunter and as a LS user. Furthermore, the skill ceiling of LS is near endless, just look at people like Peppo. It is definitely a weapon that you can always get better with, as it requires timing, special awareness, knowledge of the monster’s attack patterns, etc….
best take on LS I've read, good one sir. I hate when people talk shit about how LS is op and the easiest weapon in the game, while it's true that it has pretty insane counter capabilities, I highly doubt a newbie would pick up the game and be doing these right away. it takes time to become as 'invincible' as people like peppo make the weapon seem, just like you said.
@@happysquirtle466 I might be biased since I have 700 hours of playing only longsword, but I needed about 500 hours to get comfortable enough to go for counters naturally. It's definitely easy to pick up, but you'll take a really long time until you start using counter to get past death blows, beams, etc.
As someone who played since yesterday and mainly picked up the longsword because I wanted to fit in with the traditional Japanese style (very much considered the hunting horn and tried insect glave as well) and right now I found it hard to just... Hit in the correct direction. Let alone dodge in time when I fucked up. Invincibility frames and stuff like that, it's the first time I hear about it. Today I discovered my sword changes colour lol I found the reach of the LS hard to understand in the beginning as well
Really confused about lance and GL. GL in Rise and especially Sunbreak seems like it's never been in a better spot, but lance seems like the one whose playstyle is complicated by limited damage potential. GL seems kinda pigeonholed by mechanics but not overly so, in the same kind of way that some weapons have historically been unable to leverage elemental builds. Just because GL basically revolves around full burst/slaplance/wyvern fire spam in the current iteration doesn't make it bad, honestly I've been really impressed with its damage output since picking it up over lance at the start of Sunbreak.
I'd put LBG up with HBG , bringing it to medium because knowing where and when to place a mine can be night and day. Not just for dealing damage but countering a monsters attack string or windup by setting the mine right where it'll make hit point contact as it begins- which is also dangerous to get wrong.
As a someone who put in around 700 hrs in Monster Hunter 1 on Ps2 as a kid, and picking up Tri, then world when it had already been out for a long time I feel sooooo far behind what the combat has become. I remember when the flashiest weapon was the dual blades demon dance. I can still remember the village layout in my mind. It’s like I know all the old weapon attacks but they have changed so much it’s a truly odd feeling
I'm new to the serie overall since Rise is my first MH game, I picked up Dual Blade almost instinctively. I love how I can be mobile and how I can have a waltz of death with the monsters. Quick attack evades rince repeat. And the second weapon I am more easy with it's Hunting Horn, I don't know I felt at home too with this weapon same for bow as my third. Maybe it's how the command input for each weapons are not so complicate to get. Whereas Insect Glaive oh boy hard for me.
It’s definitely stronger than it was in base game, but with explosive damage only scaling with artillery it’s not near the top of damage. However it’s damage isn’t bad and it won’t struggle with anything unless you want the fastest kill time possible. In terms of fun, I’d say gun lance is one of the top 3 most fun in the game.
thankfully taht seems to be the case. Hopefully it's not only for now and GL does remain a powerful weapon later down the road, even after title updates. That is usually when the GL starts to take a dive in "power level"
23:08 yes I agree to the most part but the hunting horn became much simpler in rise wich I personally don't like. It was much more fun when you needed to to more for the songs, because it makes sense that you need to put a lot effort into it so you get your reward (in that case buffs/debuffs)
BIG agree. I'm a Horn main, and while Rise horn is fun, I sincerely miss the complexity of the Horn from GU and World. It used to feel like an appropriate amount of effort for the payoff, but now it feels like I'm getting way too much for free and it makes me sad.
Every time I see people talking about how hard CB is makes me happy that in my first MH game I used to play it. But The thing is it won't take a lot of time to master it. especially in Sunbreak. Now I can hunt almost everyything solo or help others to finish the hunt way faster
One parameter I would also consider is single vs multiplayer use. Case in point, the bow is a very strong weapon but, in single player, and etc. against large wyverns, it can be very difficult to constantly maintain proper distance and get good shots. This partially negates it's strength. In multiplayer, where you have fellow payers keeping the monster distracted, same weapon can be devastating. I believe this is true for other weapons, as well. I use bow in multiplayer and gunlance in single player, for the above reason.
I always hear people say this. Sorry to break to you but you may not be very good at the bow. I've always played bow and I can tell you single play does not effect performance, you may be a bit weak in the weapon and not fully understand the skills and strategies to make it work. Bow is literally one of the strongest weapons in the game. Also, the bow is not a "ranged" weapon you want to be close.
I might swap Hammer and Lance, and move Light Bowgun down to simple. As a new player coming in knowing nothing about charge states or anything, I was able to make some big numbers fly and hunts go faster with the Hammer, and Light Bowgun is just really simple and intuitive as someone who's new to Monster Hunter.
The hardest part about the bowguns is understanding what ammo types are good, how important recoil and reload are, etc. When I was a new player, I looked at the mess of info tied to the guns and said "screw that, I'm gonna just bonk shit." It's easy to understand most melee weapons. Go for big damage and affinity, stack attack and crit buffs, and you're able to make it work. Meanwhile if you just go for that on most bowguns you're gonna have a terrible time. Now that I understand what I'm looking for on a bowgun, it's hard for me to use anything else if I'm going for quick clears.
Me personally CB sounds like a really complicated weapon on paper but its more like just 2 relatively simple weapons put together and finding that synergy between them
Great video. That said I dont agree with some of the picks because the difficulty of weapons is a bit more nuanced IMO. The simplicity in MH is very deceptive. For example, SnS is easy to play but if you dont play it optimally chances are you'll end up frustrated with its damage compared to other weapons and playing SnS optimally is at least medium difficulty in my opinion. Other example is the GS which is also kinda simple but one of the most technical weapons in the game. It hits like a truck but you will get frustrated if you play the weapon without a good level of knowledge of the monster you're fighting against. You'll get knocked out of charges constantly. On the other hand weapons like Charge Blade or Switch Axe are complex mechanically speaking but each style (depending on skills) have a very specific gameplan that once you understand it becomes very simple. Like, with SA most of the time you'll execute the same attack rotation and once you charge the weapon it's all about doing the amped charge mounted on the monster and finish the combo with the aerial move. With CB if you're playing SAED spam you're going to charge everything and SAED the monster, using the counter skill. If you're playing spinning Slash the weapon becomes a lot more simple. So yea, I'd say it's not as simple as "easy to understand = easy to execute" and "hard to understand = hard to execute". I think it's way easier to deal damage with Gunlance, SA or CB than it is with SnS or the GS. TLDR: Even for newcomers I think learning a complex weapon like the CB or SA pays off quicker than just pressing buttons with the simple weapons that require a higher skill ceiling to catch up with the other weapons. I would even say SnS and GS are beginner traps because they dont look as flashy as other weapons and they seem too simple at first. Especially SnS which is a weapon that people tend to gravitate towards after learning other weapons and understanding what makes SnS actually fun and good.
I think SNS is a noob bait. Its range is abysmal, played incorrectly its damage is also abysmal and it has a lot of combos you have to learn. It also has a shield that isn't used for blocking at all. Except for an emergency o hit block maybe, as taking a huge amount of damage is better than dying. Let's break those 3 main things up: Abysmal range means that you have to be close to the monster, which also means you need a good knowledge of the moveset of the monster, which is a thing a new player obviously doesn't has. The short range also means that you have to use your environment and the ability to use items without sheeting the weapon efficiently to hit weakspots like heads or tails. Thats also somethign newer players will struggle with + the materials/money to do this each hunt is a concern. Yes you can play SNS without all that, but then it's not really optimal. Many combos can be overwhelming. Not all of them are good for example, some are great, but only in the right condition etc. Again without ample knowledge about the monsters behavior you probably will struggle with this. And a shield thats for offensive use is just awkward in the beginning. Something you (probably) will get used to pretty quickly, but still something a new player might struggle with. Don't get me wrong I love SNS, but I personally think that it's not an easy weapon for beginners. LS or SA are much easier entries imho. Yes they have a steep learning curve, especially the blocks and counters from LS, but you can at least play (and kill) the monster without countering it even once. And while SA has some awesome combos you deal a shit ton of damage just with the Switch attack und Rapid Morph 3. And both have much more range, ect.
@@Hc2p3n4t4rp I kinda address that on the TLDR. I think leading people towards weapons like SnS and GS is a bit of a trap. GS might be part of the reason newcomers complain MH is too clunky and punishing while SnS can incentivize a beginner to just press buttons randomly because the weapon seems to be simple. I think they might end up frustrated with the damage output from non optimized combos and hit zones.
@@Ocean5ix Capcom games have something strangely in common, that is their aproach to gameplay, and can be easily equated with their own Fighting game SnS is like the Shotos, Ryu and Ken, easy to pick and do stuff, but hard to master its complexity GS, not surprisingly, is like Change characters, like Guile, mechanically simple, hold a button/direction, but hard to actually pull out and like that you can go to many others, his comments on the weapons werent wrong, but there may be better more compleate forms of saying it
You are 100% spot on. SNS is easy to use. But you have to master it to be good at it. I am a SNS main. I am not the best at it. But I am way better than i used to be hehe. Experience is key.
A few changes I'd make: - Increase GS by 1 because long animation commitments increase the need to know the monster's move-set. This makes it hard to pick up relative to others when starting off. - Increase DB by 1, because having four attack modes (normal, feral, demon, arch) plus stamina management and aerial commits make it a bit more than the other 'easy' ones for just picking up the weapon. - Increase both bowguns by 1. As a "pick-up" difficulty ranking you should consider that they require non-default crafting in your wheel, an ammo loadout with crafting materials specific to the gun you're bringing, mod considerations, gun-specific weapon attributes to consider (deviation, movement on reload/shooting 'rapid' ammo), plus ammo ordering in the scroll wheel. No other weapons demand this level of upfront thought and preparation to make it viable to use in hunts, even if attacks are point-and-click. And this is to say nothing of ammo knowledge, what works on what monsters, difficulty in gearing relative to other weapons, etc. It's a very technical weapon beyond just the attack combos to use. - Reduce GL by 1 to balance between the three shell types. Wide poke-shell is really easy, normal shelling may (arguably) be "hard" here and long shelling is in between because it's more forgiving than Normal due to blast radius. For pick-up games, it has a generous guard point plus a good regular guard, so it's easier to work with than "hard" I would say. - Reduce Switchaxe by 1. All you need is a couple switch combos and the silkbind move to reload your gauge, and you're good to go for a pick-up game.
Honestly in rise I don't even notice the low damage output from the Gunlance because of how much you can stick to the monster with mobility skills. Blast dash, reverse dash, and ground splitter are awesome for maintaining distance in dangerous situations and getting right back into the fight as soon as possible, so you're constantly dealing damage. Pair that with affinity skills and weakness exploit, maybe some sharpness management skills and mobility skills like a point of evade extender, and you're golden.
As an IG main, I agree with the hard tier. It requires a lot of attention to the kinsect and it’s buffs. As well as knowing where the buffs are on the monsters. It’s also important to know when to be airborne and that it depends on the monster. It flows naturally for me and it’s the reason it’s my main
I think Insect Glaive is about the only weapon that needs to buff itself for optimal use, while also not allowing you to extend/recharge the buff to keep it active. That is to say, double buff (red+white or white+orange) can be recharged at any time, but triple buff MUST expire before you can buff back up again.
7:22 Min.: Im as a long sword main with YEARS of exp can say you the following. The weapon is easy to play but hard to master. Everyonce can take a longsword in hand and play it. But if you become a true master of this blade its destorys every thing. Its a weapon of massdestruction. Its gaves NO better weapon to punish your enemys for there attacts. So if you master it you become undefeatalbe. A good longsword user gets NEVER hittet by the monster and counter EVERYTHING form it. Its possilbe you just have to read the monster right and punish it for the action. If you have the true mastery its like the monster kills his self! XD
people always talk about the pure damage on GL being low...but no one talks about how aggresive you can be with it now. blast boost meaning you are almost never forced to sheath and reposition. and various forms of shelling and hit buffs. and the shield reload letting you be really agro in combat with your own form of guard point. ya the damage is a lil lower than it was in world but you got so much more mobility and safty with it now (heck even wyvern fire is a full block while you charge it )
I agree with you but I think GL has the problem of having a lot of end lag on its skills so you're exposed for a while if you go in too agressively so there's some care that's needed there
@@darkhero2 oh very much so. alot of the combos are alot longer than others and its REAL easy to get your self locked in place (look at wyvern piercer if you dont use it after a skill. a good 2 second lock) and even guard reload leaves you open for a quarter second if you do it at the wrong time.
@@darkhero2 you say in the video that most of its attacks are low commitment. I don’t agree with your placement of GL especially when it comes to newcomers picking up the weapon.
You said that picking up a bow would be a disadvantage because it's a ranged weapon, therefore you're more likely to get hit. The point of a ranged weapon is to put distance between you and the monster. While all monster have ranged/rush down attacks, you can still stay out of harm's way by dodging, and there's switch skills that can do that (Bow and lbg).
I play with a lot of the weapons but Hunting Horn has been my favorite since World. I like Long Sword and Hammer a lot too. When I first played World I used Duel Blades a lot but haven’t in Rise a lot though with the fire poison blades I’ve seen recently I’ll probably use them more. The bow is a lot of fun too. I haven’t use the Lance or Gun Lance really though I want to get into using them. The great sword seems like a lot of fun now with the new moves. I like the charge blade though I haven’t used it in rise much either cause I like buffing and knocking out monsters with the hunting horn
For me I started out and basically main-ed the light bowgun, I like the range advantage giving more time to dodge attacks and taking a more relaxed playstyle compared to what I see with the melee weapons, though I branched out to the heavy bowguns for sticky, cluster, wyvern, and elemental ammo types when needed
I disagree with the bow. Bow is not hard. I'd rank it at medium. It is not exactly the most complex weapon to learn. Aside from having to manage your stamina, it has very few things you need to keep track off, allowing you to focus entirely on the positioning and gameplay. It is fast, has no complex combos, coatings are quite simple (there are only a few, and they are mostly just apply-and-forget) and for those reasons it isn't hard to pick up. The bow was one of my first weapons as a kid in MHFU, and it never gave me any trouble. It is no harder to learn than the h. bowgun, and especially not harder than the greatsword which takes a lot more careful positioning and is much more punishing if you mess something up. Finally, it doesn't deserve to be in the same category as the switch axe and gunlance, both of which are mechanically highly complex weapons with a lot of things going on at the same time, which is what makes those weapons highly challenging for new players (who need to keep track of all the variables and combos of their weapon at the same time as they are learning about monsters, positioning, dodging and other basic gameplay elements). The bow quite simply doesn't have as many variables to track. I also disagree with the hunting horn. Despite the rework, it is still a good deal more complex than weapons like the longsword and dual blades. Those weapons can basically be picked up right away since their basic movesets are simple and very forgiving. The basic moveset of the hunting horn is signficantly more complex and takes more time to understand. I'd put the hunting horn at medium or even hard.
Idk, it's kind of close to SA imo because you still need to know the monsters movesets to know how many power shots you can get off (1, 2, or 0) before having to be able to dodge again. Plus, stamina management is pretty complicated when you realize that you can stall every attack slightly to increase your stamina if need be without dropping charge. Using your stamina to dps while making sure you have the stamina to dodge as well is something you always have to be aware of since you cant commit to a full dps combo and run out and get 1 shot because youre out of stamina. You also ideally keep track of your distance from the monster depending on which coating you are using. You'd be surprised how many bow players i see go full melee with power coatings on and the icon no longer shows you in critical distance. It's a pretty complex weapon to learn (even tho rise gutted most of its complexity), but I agree that it's pretty easy to pick up and just start doing some damage with it, but so is almost every other weapon. Bow is easily one of the weapons where you can see someone and pretty easily tell they dont fully know what theyre doing at times. Oh, I almost forgot about this, but people always forget about the fact that bow has to aim everything at weak points that are normally heads, which range from being reticule size to double the reticule size. Like yeah you can hit the other parts, but MH knows people would do that so theres terrible hitzones everywhere else that makes you hit for about 25% of what you would hit for. I get that it seems easy, but as someone who has played most of the technical weapons on this list, bow is definitely up there if you give a shit about how effective youre being with youre dps. World bow is still one of the most complex weapons systems we have seen in monster hunter with all the different combos based on stam needs Edit: I forgot to mention with the critical distance thing that managing coatings can also be complex when youre dashing back and forth on a downed monster and you need to switch between close and power with each dash to make sure you dont lose dps from being too close
Bow gameplay is easy but it is hard weapon to use for beginners because you can only uses 4 armor sets, making the defense lower and you have less skill slot to put in. Bow also uses shit tons of stamina making the build being bog down by stamina skills. Coating is a joke because you can only carry a few of them in battle then you have to craft more.
As HBG/Bow main, I'd definitely agree on HBG in medium. The main difficulty lies within it's setup, where optimization isn't a plus, it's a straight up requirement for playing it. Especially when it comes to picking ammo type. It requires a lot of jewels and pieces to work properly, whereas other weapons you can pick up the whichever weapon you want and some gear and be proficient with it in a hunt. Too much deviation? It's useless. Too much recoil? It's painful. No guard/guard up? You brave but very dead soul.
Well, I have to disagree about Great sword, it's a weapon that need a good knowledge of the monsters and to have mastered positioning. Way harder than you think
I find it WAAAY harder to play in Rise compared to world imo. My hit and run style is gone. Adamant slash is hard to land because of how much mobility the monster has. TCS is very few and far between. You literally gotta know every move to get consistent DPS with it.
The video is about new players picking up the weapon, not mastering it. Either way, it's not even hard to master. You just need to learn the monsters moves, and positioning, which you should be doing anyway. And rage slash is quite forgiving
@@heroicskeleton1566 a newcomer will charge in front of a monster and get hit until he learns positioning from it, which takes some time and attempts, in my opinion, this makes it far from beeing the second easiest weapon to learn...
@@bazelgeuse2474 oh, sorry I misread your original message. I thought you were talking about mastering the weapon, but you just said you have to master positioning. Yeah, I agree. You have to learn positioning and monster openings, but once you do it's an easy weapon to learn. Probably a good secondary weapon after you start with something like lance or long sword
@@heroicskeleton1566 I dunno man I only have a lot of xp with it in world and if I'm struggling with it newer players absolutely will in rise. It's so hard to pickup because of how slow it is compared to the speed buff the monsters got and only becomes easier when you start hunting the same monster a lot. Defo not easy to learn.
Lance is clearly one of the hardest ones as you need to be very consistent in everything to do any decent amount of damage in subsequent time. It also mean looking "boring." The satisfaction that comes from using lance is the successful hunt from that relentless consistentcy, especially when the monster don't get any attacks on you, from great guarding. I mean even Capcom agree with this as Lance is always in three stars difficulty rating.
only tried lkance a little bit in rise, it used to be my main weapon throughout world and most parts of iceborn. but the little i used it in rise felt so slow and immobile, especially in the mobility meta that is rise, how does it fare in sunbreak?
@@andybanan1992 The best its ever been in the series, I'd say even more fun than evade-lancing in MH4U because now we're able to counter/evade everything, the are just so many options, we just have to choose the right move for the right attack and Sunbreak excelled at it (with a very glaring exception imo).
From personal experience, LBG is pretty easy. Takes a minute to figure out ammo, item sets, radials, mid hunt crafting - but while there's some extra set up, its very easy to use in practice.
Absolutely. I decided to play LBG as my first weapon through sunbreak-honestly, feel like it was a mistake. Every fight was so incredibly easy as a result of its absurd damage and new silkbind counter, I found it practically impossible to die unless my brain flatlined for a few seconds.
@@MrInsiipid I cannot get the timings right on that silkbind counter and still have relatively little trouble. There's just very little need to learn a monster's particular animations and openings when you can pump bullets into them at range whatever they're doing.
Where do non gunlancers get the idea that the weapon does NO damage lmao. Yeah it isn't topping the speedrun charts, but you aren't slapping the monsters with a wet noodle either! Had a great time watching the list, but I had to chime in behalf of Gunlance lol (also calling it a low animation commitment weapon gave me a little chuckle as someone who plays full burst only)
Ranged weapons difficulty mostly come from understanding how ammos work, how to farm efficiently, setting up crafting mid battle etc. Or, just watch an angbata11 video and pew pew your way to victory
I'm an insect glaive main in sunbreak, played a GS a lot in rise, I don't know if it's just me but I do find LS to be ridiculously hard to play :O Counters are nice, but you just have to know every monster moveset perfectly for it to be useful, like GS with charged attacks
true! I noticed this a lot as a new MH player in Rise. Are counters strong? Sure. But you have to actually know the monster first in order to make good use of a counter.
I think a lot of MH players have spent so much time in the series that monster movesets become easier to guess, and easier to remember since they stay relatively consistent throughout the titles. As a new player, LS was brutally difficult. Super long, stressful hunts fishing for counters and whiffing constantly.
@@NewChiqueChloe the game is actually brutally difficult by itself (at least if you play solo). LS is just as difficult as other weapons, i guess it's the most effective one to play solo (not for speedrunners) I remember my first deviljho solo on mh4u using GS, beat him in 40 minutes with hit, dodge, sheath technique... Everybody needs to learn the game the hard way haha My point is : i'd recommend playing LS as well as every other weapons because what matters isn't actually how hard or how fast you can hit, what matters is how well you can understand the monster's way of moving and finding the way to hit it every time you can
I would say switch axe is easier and hammer harder the rest i agree mostly. With hammer you need to use waterstrike to counter which you cant use while charging and talking about dodgecanceling sounds like you can get out of the attack animation, while you really can only cancel the animation where you pick the weapon back up + it is more dangerous to have to stay in front of the monster. With switch axe you have wirestep which is much more forgiving and less commitment for the attacks while supposed to stay behind the monster. So easier to dodge attacks. Yeah some optimal combos of the SA need you to switch stances, but thats the same for hammer. You put SA in hard with the skillsealing in mind but SNS in easy because of the skillfloor. You should judge all weapons by the skillfloor. SA skillfloor would be someone running around just useing axemode.
Nah I disagree. The skill floor is about using the weapon and still engaging with their main mechanics. Axe only SA is like saying Long Sword skill floor is low if you never use any Spirit Slashes lol. With SA you at the very least need to maintain Sword Guage and maximize Amplified State. Then there's the Elemental Discharge Counter which is arguably one of the harder counters to use. Similar to LS you need to enter a stance to use it, meaning you can't just twitch reflex at the last minute. However unlike LS if you screw up the timing you are heavily penalized in both using up 2 Wirebugs and every second in stance drains a ton of sword gauge.
@@Kryto_Gaming And even with switching to sword mode in mind switch axe has a low skillfloor. If the counter is to hard to time use wire step. "Maintain Sword Guage and maximize Amplified State" = On skillfloor is oh my god i have to hit the monster and i get to the amplified state and if you dont use discharge all the time the sword gauge lasts extremly long. Lets compare it to dual blades. 2 bars. Fill one up. Watch out to not empty the other one so dont overuse it. Both leave you open for monster attacks if you do. Bit higher commitment then dualblades but longer reach as compromise. Both have a attack that leaves them open for attacks = flurry and discharge. Yeah both have some in depth differences but you see why SA put so much higher is just crazy? I like SA but it is not a hard weapon to get into. Just a bit harder than dualblades.
Pretty decent list I'd say. I agree especially with Lance and SnS (Shield and Sword). I might put LBG and DB there too myself. LBG's difficulty really comes from understanding the shot types, recoil, and all that stuff, using the weapon itself is easy.
Weird take but in solo hunts it should be mentioned that you feel a bit claustrophobic with LBG. If you play counter skill that makes up for it. Or if you play in a group it’s brain dead.
@@swift-pawedteif386 I can see that maybe in certain small areas in certain maps, but I don't really see why you would feel like that in general. Do you use some high recoil ammos or something? I could see it then, but if you get low recoil and low reload then you can just basically walk around the monster while shooting at it constantly.
@@ArcticWolfGod Certain match up like jyratodus (spelling?) in water literally crowd you. And faster large area monsters like shogun. With the mud mechanic it’s usually not a problem but for some reason when I solo the fish it mud locks me. I was actually very confused it was pressuring me in just the weirdest way not attacking but surrounding me. And no. I’ve made all the guns but only use weapons with recoil low and at least fast reload. I played a lot of bowguns so I should probably say the fights are not difficult. And the feeling I’m describing is just that a feeling. A sense of crowding. And for the hardest fights counter mine just makes everything that was hard simple to manage. Providing okay timing.
@@swift-pawedteif386 Well yeah that's just a thing Jyuratodus does, and it always follows it up with an attack. Just move out of the way when it starts doing the mudlines. You have loads of time to sheathe your weapon and dive too if you're having that much trouble. As for Shogun Ceanataur? Fast? I'm guessing you're staying further away from it thinking that's a good tactic against it. Stay closer to it and all the moves it uses are easy to handle, you'll even bait it into using the spinning slash a lot meaning you get completely free openings as a gunner. If it moves away and you're not good at avoiding stuff then just sheathe and prepare to dive.
I can’t find myself disagreeing. I’ve been with MonHun since PS1,as well as, it’s switch from PSP to 3DS. Now, I’m back as a noob for MH:Rise. It’s refreshing to hear that there has been some changes…all of which I’m about to try out. You have my thanks from the Ol school.
My list would look like this, in the exact order: Very Hard: Charge Blade, Heavy Bowgun, Light Bowgun Hard: Greatsword, Gunlance, Bow Medium: Insect Glaive, Longsword, Switch Axe Easy: Hammer, Sword and Shield, Hunting Horn, Lance, Dual Blades Bowguns aren't hard to play, but the ammo system has severe difficulty in terms of gathering and crafting. If you're new, you probably won't understand half of what the weapon page says without a guide. Greatsword doesnt belong in medium - it may be simple, but you must have a lot of patience and understanding of monsters to play it proficiently. Charging and wiffing your every attack is frustrating for new players. That's why weapons with faster combos and less commitment are way easier to get into. That's also why Glaive and Axe are lower - they have some management, but are generally easy to pick up. Nice video overall, but I do have a lot of gripes with this part of the video: 14:30 - 15:08 . I understand you have had experience with CB and hence say it feels easier than Switch Axe, however I don't think you should put that statement in your script. If your target audience is new players (or people looking to pick up something new) and explicitly state that this is a ranking for how easy it is to pick up a weapon, I don't believe the argument that "it becomes second nature with practice" should be used - it goes for every weapon, but for CB it just takes more time.
I agree that this is the better tier list for beginners. I think too many players get intimidated by the clunky weapons that require you to have knowledge on the monsters. If we assume that players are fighting each monster for the first time, it's easier for them to get into with faster weapons with lower commitment.
Give bow a shot and see if it shifts down the list. It’s definitely harder than lance or sword and shield, but I would by no means put it above GS, glave or swax.
Yo… you’re so right, which is why I’m always using my trusty normal ammo 1 + 2, pierce ammo 1, shrapnel ammo 1 and the occasional cluster bomb 💣 lmfao 🤣
@@rory9088 Bow is my third most used weapon behind Greatsword and Chargeblade 😎. I agree it isn't that hard once you get the dash-dancing down and get used to positioning and aiming. I put it high on the list, because stamina management skills early game are very sparse, and they're what enable the weapon and make it feel good. Newcomers won't immediately understand eating for stamina and drinking dash juices ✌🏻
Lance and Greatsword both belong in higher tiers imo. You can't separate monster movesets from GS and you can't separate mobility from lance, both of which comprise the majority of the learning curve of their respective weapons.
Charge Blade was my first weapon ever and I did fine without even knowing how it worked. I got to the end of low rank quests by just changing to axe mode when my phials were full and spamming wild swings. Playing it efficiently is complicated, but it's one of the easiest weapons to pick up for a newcomer along with switch axe.
I'm at MR200, ive done my whole playthrough with greatsword, the mechanics are super simple to learn, but the timing and positioning (especially with strong arm stance) is still something I'm learning, it's different with every monster.
The lance is pretty deceptive for new players. At face value, you have a powerful shield but the cost is that you move slowly and the attacks aren’t flashy. The key to lance is proper positioning and aggressive onslaught mixed with counter attacks to keep the dps almost constant. The mobility issues makes you have to figure out more efficient movements options. Shield charge, spiral thrust and to an extent twin vine are great ways to keep you right on the monster. I personally run double palicos because I traverse the maps vertically and across everything instead of directly following the main paths or even using the bases for fast travel and the great wire bugs as well. The extra support double cats provide with traps and buffs over the palamute mobility is just more worth it in a fight.
Personally I'd say IG should be around easy/medium it really isn't that difficult to use especially now that they added kinsects that can extract two colors at once making it much easier to get all 3 without having to be as precise plus I find that powders tend to be hit or miss imo my only gripe is that it feels like the extract buff doesn't last as long as it did in world even with the buff time extended skill might just be me otherwise solid list
I do enjoy how he specified that the list was about the ability to pick up the weapon, not master, as many weapons, such as the sword and shield or the hammer may be easy to pick up, but are very hard to master. And conversely, a weapon like the gun Lance may seem complex and hard at first, but can be easy and satisfying once learned
You're making a great point! I mostly took it as how easy / hard weapons are for a newcomer to use, but if I were to rank them in terms of how hard they are to master Lance would definitely be up there!
With Sunbreak Skyward Thrust is up there for mastery goals as well. Its an attack with a ton of endlag, near-useless against anything less than thrice your height, and no guard points so using it haphazardly can easily end in getting hit. However it does have an incredible amount of damage behind it when used well, above and beyond anything else in the lance's repertoire. At endgame I'm finding that I can regularly deal upwards of 2000 damage, and have reached over 3000 total damage with all hits crit-ing, on every well-used instance of Skyward Thrust. In contrast Shield Tackle makes things almost overwhelmingly simple as you would expect an attack that simultaneously defends, deals effective KO/Exhaust, and good damage.
@@themagicmonkey2513 With the Lance buffs in Sunbreak (literally every move except Spiral Thrust was significantly buffed) Spiral Thrust isn't as massively competitive as it used to. Now, you can often outdamage Spiral Thrust spam by using the rest of the Lance's moveset - with Spiral Thrust still being quite useful as a rapid movement option instead of being your main attack.
I agree with your placement of LS I think it sits in the perfect middle ground of being easy to use and accessible enough for new players to pick up the weapon whilst having a higher skill ceiling to keep players engaged with it as they get better at the game.
I don't really agree with SnS being a low entry bar at this point, it literally has all the weaknesses that people dislike the most from a melee weapon: it has a short range, it has low motion values on basic button press, its hard-hitting attacks are locked behind sophisticated combos, its direction input affects your movement drastically (backsteps, spinning slash directions), it has moves that you'll either need to avoid using or use with caution (including shields). Most new players might find SnS easy to use before they know what button to press in the game, but they'll really have a terrible experience playing it through low-rank hunts.
Imo Rise SnS actually fixes those problems, because of how relatively powerful Shield Bash combo has become. The common intuitive input of "press the direction of monster and press attack repeatedly" actually produces good result (decent raw damage than before) AND very little draw back (natural Mind's Eye, so no weapon bouncing, also no sharpness consumption). Once they get the hang of it, then they could be introduced to adding spinning reaper at the end of the combo for damage. I agree with all the problems you mention (a CB main friend of mine said to me "your SnS combo stuff is absolutely ridiculous" lol), but I don't think they would be relevant to a beginner's LR hunts. It's ironic that in the game that the director specifically said "SnS is no longer a beginner's weapon," I actually think it's the most beginner-friendly it has ever been.
In my opinion the LS would be at the top of the hard due to the dependence of the extremely buggy parrys to load the spiritual bar easily just to give a small burst of damage that sometimes gets even a little close to a Real Energized Cut of the GS but much harder to activate by relying on the spiritual bar, parrys or moments when the monster gets tired and the monster does not run you over while you use the insect and I would consider the CB an medium weapon, it is not very difficult to load your bottles and unload a SAED on the monster, specially using that insect ability you jump and unload a whole SAED in the monster. (I'm not considering any skill or build that has come from Sunbreak because I only played on PS4, where Sunbreak will launch around June or July.)
Yeah, I agree with you on this. For me the charge blade couldn’t keep me interested. But the LS is one of those that people downplay it so much that when a good player uses it everybody on the team is in shock.
As lance main since MH2Dos I wouldn't say it's newbie friendly. GS is also crazy hard for newcomers. BoW is hard to master but much easier to just jump into and shoot.
i agree with lance being simple. This is after all a "Can you pick it up and go" list. Lance has a high cieling as well sure for timing, dodging and what not but you can in the end grab it for your first mission throw up a metal wall and just not die and widdle down the monster.
The great sword is by far my favourite weapon for all games it’s play style you need to play smarter with and know when to strike, I enjoy being very Aggressive with it but 1 wrong move the monster can attack you well charging it or just run away and leave you hanging 😆
16:10 bro how the fuck did you changed from charged sword to the pizacuter so quick without loading fies? i have been looking for a way to do it but cant find nothing
Insect glaive is not beginner friendly imo. The weapon has a lot of intricacies to be used efficiently. Aerial play, kinsect management, powder placements, etc.
I agree with you, as an IG main, this weapon take a lot of understanding to use it efficiently, especially knowing each monster's nectar position, it is not the easiest. You are very mobile and can pack quite a punch, but it is also dependant on one skill: Power Prolonger, the nectars effect are very short so most of the time you'd be on the ground sending the Kinsect to the spot of the monster, this is a strong weapon in good hands, but it is not the simplest, the combo are easy to understand, but the mechanic around it is hard.
@@MatsuGrimlyak if you start yeeting your kinsect power prolonger becomes unimportant. You can also make it super easy on yourself and use the dual color kinsect. Throw that bad boy out, hit hard, get 2 colors back, hit woth kisect slash (the aerial move right mouse button for me) 2 or 3 times then hit the attack on the left button that spikes you through the monster. So nice when you pull it off.
@@roberthaines8951 Is there a specific kinsect you need for the dual color pickup or it is a mechanic I may skipped in Rise? I know that in World you can do this with the content of your slingshot.
@@MatsuGrimlyak yes there is dual color defense and dual color attack. You purchase them right from the blacksmith. Don't know the names off the top of my head.
@DarkHero 2 Hey how where you able to do the Amped Element Discharge with just the left analog stick and Triangle button around 16:40? The only time I can do that AEDis when my shield isn't chardged.
Personally, I would rank Insect Glaive as a “medium” difficulty, not hard. I’m an Insect Glaive main, but I’m not a veteran hunter who’s used it forever. Rise is the first Monster Hunter I got really into, after only putting like 10 hours into MHGU. Insect Glaive does have a lot of complexity, but the insanely high mobility more than makes up for that. You can do super simple combos, like on the ground just mash X and if you get up into the air just mash A and you’ll do a good amount of damage while being able to maneuver easily to stay out of the way of attacks. Of course that’s not the optimal way to play and you can get much more in depth, I’m just saying you can pick it up fairly easily. On top of that, Kinsects are way less complicated in Rise than they were before. You used to have to feed Kinsects different nectars to level them up and choose how your kinsect will grow, but in Rise you can just buy the ones you want and they scale up with the weapon. For beginners, using a dual color kinsect makes it way easier to keep full extracts, and honestly even if you don’t get full extracts the weapon is still decent. So with all of that said, I think the incredible mobility is more than enough to bring IG down to Medium difficulty. Also Light Bowgun is the simplest weapon ever to pick up if you’ve ever played a shooting game. It’s literally just a machine gun. You can use different ammo to deal more damage or inflict status ailments, but that’s not necessary. I recently decided to try light Bowgun, I had never played with Light Bowgun before, picked it up and only used normal ammo, and I completed the hunt in record time, compared to times I had taken using my main weapon. Light Bowgun is basically “Hey, do you want to turn Monster Hunter into a 3rd person shooter? Great, here you go!”
I'd argue that the switch axe is as hard if not harder than the charge blade to be optimal on for a number of reasons less time for dodgewindows and not being able to have a shield for instance while having just as complicated combos for being consistent with that damage
Correct me if I’m wrong but I do think the SnS backstep has more i-frames than a normal roll. Great video though :) Mostly agree with the rankings and the arguments are good to.
I started with playing chargeblade in mh4 because i felt braindead after spamming longsword & clusting alatreon in mh tri till we all had hr999... To All newcomers: Play whatever you feel like Its about having fun and when you have fun you'll learn faster like always in life so don't fear to at least try out every weapon for a few quest 😉
Gunlance can be an odd one to step into, and seeing how slow it seems at first when wielding it can turn away allot of people. But once you get the hang of Bullet barrage, and Ground splitter, (Which has some hyper armor) You can stay on the monster pretty easily. Probably the hardest part of the weapon, is figuring out how to socket your armor for it. XD
hm I am not quite sure about that, since this video is made for monster hunter newbies and new people usually struggle with ranged weapons for multiple reasons. i often had new players in my hunts (especially in world) that didnt so any dmg with those weapons due to not understanding how different ammo works
Good list! I think CB isn't as hard for me because I played a ton of it in 4U. That being said, it's quite different in Rise so I'm having fun just learning about the weapon again. And while Longsword might have all of those s it still takes a lil bit of skill to get the timing right, you do get punished if you miss your window, so I think it balances out.
You get a slap on the wrist if you mess up LS timing. You lose a bit of hp thats it. Meanwhile in case of other weapon like swax if you mess up a counter you lose wirebug + lose hp.
Please keep in mind the rankings mostly come from how easy / difficult it is for a new player to pick up and learn how to use a weapon, not necessarily how to master it
you don't need to do this, Ex4+ mission is the hardest. and ex4+ mission is the hardest when you using gun then two sword(not enough time to move and shoot and dodge ), The hardest is when you start at online during fighting ex4 boss, some one join the game, than boss ai turn to level 2-4 in the same time, then you probably get the catcar combo by the ai up leveling
to be honest with you i think your wrong on CB its not that hard to learn only the guard point was a pain for me the rest is quite simple i thin CB should go in easy/medium difficulty
@@XBlindStevenX charge blade suffers from looking complex and having too many combos. It’s actually fairly simple to pick up.
Personally I think greatsword should go a bit higher in difficulty. While it’s easy to swing it at the target dummy and learn it’s combos, most players that don’t also know the monsters (ie new players) can time out very easily cuz they can’t do enough damage/don’t have the openings. Just a personal thought. I tried to start with gs way back in tri.
@@MeariBamu what is ex4+ ?
I have to disagree for GS. While the move set is simple, you have to know monsters moves a lot more than other weapons. You have to spend time with the weapon, getting used to its speed and know what you’re hunting. I’d personally put it in between medium and hard because it’s simplicity, but you need the knowledge to use the weapon properly.
100% this. I’m running GS for the first time and even with the new, less charge-focused playstyle I’ve been forced to pay much closer attention to monsters than ever before. It’s actually making me wish I’d picked it up sooner, as I feel like it’s forcing me to become a better player overall!
Okay now here me out I’m a decently good veteran causal MH player. Not too good, not too bad. Picked up GS around a month and a half ago, didn’t even go to the training room to test it out learners it in about two hours against valstrax and the apexes. Not to mention that I absolutely beat their asses with 8 minute runs after just picking it up. Even with that said though, I’d still put in the middle of the road in terms of how easy it is to use. Although, by all accounts it is an extremely skillful weapon when it comes to games throughout the series. Respect to all GS mains out there.
@@scarsch2818 I get what you’re saying but at that point, you’ve played Monster Hunter enough to understand the attack patterns and such of the monsters already. So it would be natural for you to get the timings right pretty quickly. One of the reasons I main GS because it forces you to learn the monster a lot quicker to make sure you hit those big damage TCS and RS. That being said, however, for somebody new to Monster Hunter picking up the GS thinking it’s easy is going to have a pretty rude awakening when they don’t get the damage they want without the knowledge they need beforehand. I wouldn’t consider it mechanically hard by all means lmao. The smoothest brain weapon mechanically requires some of the most monster knowledge out of all the weapons.
Your right, it should be on easy not medium
I would place it hard because of the amount of people i see online who dont use it properly. To many people think they will be fast anime characters with it only to realize you need to charge the weapon, have good placement, and learn the monsters moves.
the 2 rules of charge blade. 1. do you know the minimum to function with it? if yes see 2
2. set ego to 120% and call yourself a master when you only know the bare minimum
There are only two types of charge blade users:
1. The ones that doesn't understand the basics;
2. The ones that does understand the basics just enough to question themselves how the hell does speed runners pull off guard points.
@@Mister5597 no theres a 3rd type who are just slightly worse than speedrunners. Most of them originiated in 4U. CB was my first monhun weapon and it is not hard at all/
CB is not hard but its needlessly complex for something that isn't that strong. You need to charge phials, buff shield, then charge again only to release some mediocre attacks that's barely rival a LS iai slash dmg.
The best way to learn CB is to go play 4U or GU first in order to learn the fundamentals. I can play CB at a basic level but boy do I suck at guard points.
@@neku2741 That is only in rise. It's "complexity" was compensated with the beeg damage numbers it had in mh4u and iceborne
From what I see from streamers new to lance so far, despite being a simple weapon, people usually get thrown off by the Lance when they try it for the first time due to how slow and not flashy it is. I wish people could give Lance more time to present itself. If you can get over the first impression of how slow the weapon is, Lance is super fun to use and is actually pretty mobile.
yup and even if it slow it isn't as turtle as people think you can be really aggressive with it and its a very fun weapon even with a super basic moveset.
I agree
Just yesterday i use lance.
And the new guard skill is good.
My poking combos is around 2-3 poke the guard dash+reposition and poke guard rinse and repeat.
Lol....
Its damned fun but also tiring.
Lol..
Ngl, when I first use lance on P3rd I laughed by how simple it is, you just "poking". Long story short, I love lance next to SnS and Gunlance. (Yeah, I love shielded weapon lol)
I love the Sunbreak lance, with the shield tackle, it is amazing
Lance to me is slow, but it is good weapon for the right hands. Says the guy who mains hunting horn. The goofiest weapon that got me into this series.
"The gunlance will be the weakest weapon in sunbreak"
Gunlance users" "Bullet barrage go brrrrr"
Hey I'm incredibly happy for GL users. Not only is it a cool and fun skill itsalsl really powerful
@@darkhero2 As a gunlance main, it will not fix the issue that we will run into with the content updates coming. At base rise, Gunlance actually was pretty strong, but then new armor sets released for other playstyles and the other weapons got more damage options, and could affect their damage in more ways. With Gunlance, shell damage can only be increased so much, and the rest of it is just increasing pokes which are pretty strong now, but still you have to split your skill slots into to buffing two forms of dps (shells and physical). So, meaning that the armor sets we have right now will probably be the optimal sets for gunlance to use throughout the entire content cycle.
TLDR; updates make other weapons go brrrr. Gunlance has a hard cap on how much you can increase its damage and thus gets weaker as the game goes on.
@@LockedOnTargetShow Well since they went out of their way to up Gunlance in Sunbreak and it has been quite the point of frustration for many players, they may just, you know, keep giving good sets for GL as well? Pretty sure we're getting Seething Bazel soon in a title update and from what I understand at least with base Bazel, his armor was basically built for yall.
@@theworstcatholic7247 Fax. As a GL main I can’t wait for that armor set.
@@theworstcatholic7247 Not to mention they could still just increase shelling levels even further or make new skills that would benefit gunlance specifically.
As a hack n slash enjoyer (and newcomer to the series), I initially thought that dual blades or long sword would be my weapons, but Charge Blade is amazing, extremely strong, good learning curve and ver well all rounded.
Same started with Longsword, hammer and then Dualblades, after that Chargeblade. Literally the best weapon, it is the jack of all trades, but an incredible well explosive allrounder that is just satisfying to use. Feels like straight out of Warhammer 40k and you take that weapon on a holy crusade with you against monsters.
To be fair, Air dash kinda turns CB gameplay to hack n slash type
Lol same but I ended up on switch axe
The thing with SnS is, it can be a bit deceptive. I think people have started respecting the weapon a bit more in the more recent games, but there was a point where people barely played it, for a simple reason: They heard it was the beginner weapon, played it, were very underwhelmed with the results, concluded it was bad and moved on to bigger weapons.
Because SnS has somewhat of a hidden, second skill floor, going from just "playing it" to sufficiently utilizing its kit to its fullest and keeping an excellent uptime, as the low motion values on basically all of its basic attacks mean that you need to be constantly hitting the monster to keep up damagewise, unless you want to find yourself taking half an hour to kill anything.
Like, take CB for instance: If you don't know what you are doing, then you will at least realize as much, because it's you whiffing attacks or not figuring out how the mechanics work. And odds are, even then you probably won't take too long to kill the monster because it has really powerful attacks. With SnS, you will trick yourself into believing that you are playing it well because you are hitting the monster and are not getting hit, when in fact you aren't performing any better and losing out on way more damage.
Not a really fair point because I think except Bowguns, EVERY weapons need to be mastered at high level, make use of slightest moves that casual players didn't think of... to make the best out of it's dps. Like those speedrunner always do atleast 2x faster kill compare to the same weapon used, and I use lot of weapons. Back then SnS dps can be underwelming but since MHGU and MHWI it's a beast, in Sunbreak too
SnS always my main weapon since fredom, the most OP weapon and the one of the hardest weapon to master
That may have been true back in the times of Sword and Shield, however Shield and Sword is really simple, easy, and effective.
SNS scales with skill more than any weapon other than maybe Greatsword
I don't understand why you're comparing it to CB, the only weapon that literally STOP YOU FROM DAMAGING MONSTER if you don't know how to store the phial. You would constantly be bouncing with Sword/Shield mode until you learn how to store those phial, or switch to Axe mode, which is possibly on par with lance, unsheathed GS, and HBG as some of the least mobile weapon in the game.
Glaive can be a bit confusing at first, but can be fun to use too. After I looked into the new kinsects, some of them are pretty good. Hell, I didn't even know there was an ability with them out using strong+normal attacks. Drawing in powders if you can is really satisfying. Wish we had more types available in Sunbreak, but I had to move on from the convenience of sapping two buffs at once at some point.
Also as a glaive main, the new speed kinsect while not flashy as the boosted powder or vortex kinsect, the new speed ones can work as a reverse Dragon Piercer that can either Cut monster parts/Stun in a reliable manner and topple monsters.
If you charge the new speed insects if the monster is between you and the bug, it will pierce the monster when called back from 4 to 8 hits. The stun variant is basically a topple/stun machine and it is pretty satisfying as their damage stack up and can do several interruptions quite consistently during the hunt as the charge is super fast and the damage is quite nice as well at higher Kinsect levels.
I'm a HH and IG main and Rise/Sunbreak has been a treat, now with Espinas on Sunbreak that mean the embargo/contract that kept MH:Frontier stuff out of our reach is done so we could also expect Tonfa, Magnet Spike and possibly Accel Axe to join the rooster in a future game! IG need it's other aerial brother and sisters!
I've only really used the assist ones, might try out the powder or speed ones for more specific hunte
For me, I tried glaive in Rise after maining it in 4U and not touching it since, and I couldn't get into it. Maybe it's just not for me, but it feels like it's trying to be two weapons at the same time; it felt like there was just way too many things to keep track of while using it.
A big factor in how easy a weapon is to pick up is the game plan.
While a versatile weapon like sns can be good for a new player, it lacks a clear game plan (since the plan is to do everything).
On the other hand, a new player with a hammer can easily see that the goal is to bonk the head, and the moving charge means they can hold it, wait for the opening, then bonk.
And when you want to switch weapons once you've acquired a bit of experience, you'll have an easier time understanding the great sword game plan than the sns game plan.
I've never played SNS, just bow and charge blade.. I and I agree with your idea. Charge blade has a plan, charge up. Big hit with phials.
Bow has a plan, but it isn't obvious. Once I figured that out, it all made sense.
Yep that's why Chargeblade is a banger, it follows a strict scientific routine, but the routine feels like an explosion.
Gunlance has always been my favorite weapon, and in older games it felt a lot harder, but in this game they gave it a bit more mobility which made it a lot easier (for me) to use. I do agree that damage is low so carrying bombs is definitely helpful
I don’t know where this sentiment came from that the damage is low but I wholly disagree. My build is has artillery and and magazine size, at peak performance my funlance is ~10k a min. While my charge blade is ~9k a min. The dmg in battle is different bc charge blade can put in hits more consistently but with the addition of full burst a proper gunlance player can also be very consistent with dmg.
Bro just use the shotgun loop and watch your damage take off. Y+B>Y>B>Y+B>RT+B Rinse and repeat, use wyvern fire on knockdown and forget stake exists 90% of the time
After having so much fun with the wyrmstake blast in World, I really missed it in Rise. Almost felt like GL got nerfed by losing it. The added mobility it got is nice though.
@@johnbaylie7991 I know right, I remember when I first started mhr doing 1k with wyvern fairly early, and now i can one shot most starting monsters like askom, ketzu, and the fat turtle (i forgot the name) with the wyvern fire. (I run pure damage builds though)
gunlances dammage is insain its only bad if u go poke poke
u need to go poke boom boke boom poke boom when ur stakes up do ur and use ur wyvern fire to make urself a human missile ull delete monsters fast as hell
I feel like sword and shield is simple, but it definitely demands a lot from players. It requires a lot of uptime and any time not spent attacking piles up quickly worsening the player overall performance. The shoryugeki and shield bash have definitely helped people create openings and have a pseudo-ultimate attack to lessen the effects of not having constant uptime.
yes im feeling it too.
if u want to be compete with other weapons then u have to attack constantly. but also its quite possible because of the weapon itself so its okay for me.
also u can run around a monster and are not stuck in any attack most of the time... i would rank them in easy - not simple. because as a player u have a lot of choices here in the armor sets too. - almost no skill tax and so one...
True. Especially since Perfect Rush wasn't as busted as in Iceborne
SNS requires you to use its range of dodges/counters to get in against attacks
I'd say SNS is one of those weapons where the bar of entry to learn use it is low, but the skill ceiling to master it is very high
@@frenchbloo The same as I see it. You can teach anyone how to play with SnS and they will kill everything. Maybe it will take 49 min, but they will do it. Now, if you want to kill them fast and use the weapon to the fullest, thats where the weapon shines and shows how truly hard mastering it is
2:10 the backstep for the SnS DOES have invincibility frames and is great for avoiding roars from monsters, but can also be effectively used for any attack as long as it doesn't have a lingering hit box.
I felt a tingling pain in my neck when I heard him say that
@@rathknight0361 a tingling pain? I threw my back out hearing that
I was also surprised by this statement. Kind of makes me doubt the accuracy of the list.
@@xDragonce brother, he put IG in hard and CB in very hard. That should've told you everything.
I definitely needed some guides starting out, but I always felt like Charge Blade is easier than people make it out to be. But I think that's just my opinion, plus starting it back in World where SAED spam was basically the only thing you needed to do.
lol this guy rated it as very hard even after saying it was easier than switch axe. My friends have been giving me shit for using the LS (what can i say i play aggressive so counters are sorta my schtick and im a weeb who loves flashy moves) and not even 10 minutes after looking up a guide I was already using the CB with no issue.
@@Argonachtx The main concept of CB is easy, i agree with his assessment of it being easier than SA seeing as how he's judging based on how difficult it is to pick up and actually put the moveset into basic use. But CB's skill ceiling is far higher than SA, just as high as LS except CB has actual stakes if you make mistakes as well as chip damage
i played a lot of charge blade in iceborne, but in rise there is something odd about the timings and feeling of the weapon, so i can say that i have sub 5 hunts with charge blade now. because it just feels god awfull to me for some reason.
@@ascended8174 what do you mean actual stakes? if you miss a parry with a LS you get hit 95% of the time unless you're lucky and manage to move out of the attack in the counter. In my opinion CB looks hard since it has so many things attributed to it but I find it much easier than it seems to be if you just look up a guide or 2.
@@Deniziozioz LS no longer loses or consumes spirit gauge levels when using/missing a counter, and you have so many ways of gaining it as well as maintaining it with Sunbreaks new counter zone silkbind and the built-in Iai Slash. LS has little to no downside when missing counters other than getting hit, which is the bare minimum punishment
Meanwhile CB has to deal with chip damage even on successful blocks and GPs, and it's not a guaranteed hit because unlike LS's virtually 360 range, CB's counter-attacks are vertical excluding Ready Stance. All that as well as having to wonder if you'll get hit during your recovery animations for S/AEDs because we can't chain it as fast as QS3 ISS spams
So yeah, LS has little to lose and pretty much everything to gain. It has a better defence than shielded weapons and better counters than the original counter weapons like CB and Lance
People need to stop saying that Dual Blades lack damage. They don’t. They lack damage PER HIT. This is balanced out by the fact that they hit extremely quickly and even do multiple hits per input. It’s a very simple concept. If one weapon hits for 10 damage and another can land two 5 damage hits in the same time frame, their DPS is the same. If you want to say their damage output is low, then you’ll need to explain how that works relative to other weapons and what they can output.
hellion mode + chain crit + critical element goes crazy
Sure your greatsword hit does 3,000 damage when you land it, but in the time you spent missing and building up to the 3rd hit of the combo the DS user has probably met or even exceeded that damage
@@CampyClaptrap yes this is what needed to be said..some people like GS bcos they like to see the big numbers. But they cant even see that other fast weapon like DB and Bow can dish out that same dmg but by adding up smaller number in that same amount of time.
That’s my stance on the S&S. Given how much time I’ve put into this weapon over others, I myself rarely hit anything less than hundreds. Coupled with countless options to go about damage, it’s never really an unsafe weapon. That being said, the shield isn’t as effective as other weapons (there are some attacks that others could block, larger attacks). I can’t ever really fail a quest with the weapon in hand, though that’s probably due to my familiarity.
@@CampyClaptrap th-cam.com/video/FMrJci84tOI/w-d-xo.html&ab_channel=FoxInvictus watch this video. And remember, This data is taking from a speedrun forum where you need to hit your attack as much as possible as fast as possible.
I'm not going to lie I sort of do miss having to memorize some of the songs because when I pulled the songs off in dire situation and give my team a buff they definitely needed I felt proud of myself but adding Simplicity as things evolve is the best way to go.
I'm sorry i am a big noob who only started with MH World, but memorizing songs like in a fucking music sheet seems so needlessly stressful. I have a friend who hates the new Horn changes, but i personally love the simplification and i play horn much more now in rise in comparison to world
hard disagree. neither way is better. they could have both be options in the form of a style or something. you could have new HH and classic HH and please both groups. make the new HH have simpler combos but less potent buffs and old HH have more and more complicated combos but the buffs are more powerful and this is just one idea. making things too simple will just lead to dumbing the game down too much in the long run making all the weapons one note but having simpler options and big emphasis on options can help newer players get into the game
I was a HH main too. I miss it
I used to play a lot of hh back in the old games because it's such a unique weapon. But now it just feels like a generic big hammer with flashier moves.
I miss the special song combos too
I feel like each weapon has varying levels of complexity, some are just easier to pick up and but most are difficult to master.
yeah thats what he said in the top of the comment section
@@pahuboi23 oh sorry I just made a comment based on my conclusion.
He also said that in the beginning if the video
Yeah, but weapons with transformation are just hard to pick up and hard to master, it took me over a week to learn how to fight as a CB player😂
Recommend to anyone to learn it in mhw, also, it is best to learn thru experience, fight easy monsters with it
Switch Axe is one of those weapons that gets 2 ratings depending on if they have Evade Extender 2 or not. The weapon doesn't use stamina, Evade Extender 2 is just completely perfect. Makes side steps go out enough for most attacks. Makes your sword forward roll faster than running. + the Sunbreak counter. My god it's a beautiful kit now.
I find it equally easy in both cases, I just like unga bunga compressed discharge spam and counter. I have a switch skill set devoted to each playstyle and its glorious
Switch Axe is always the best unga bunga weapon for me. No need for specific timing, deals more damage than DB yet it's still relatively fast compared to GS, it's all offense and almost no defense
New players aren't going to have evade extender 2
@@ShatteredGlass916 do you have discord? Or steam?
as a swaxe main id say i dont use evade extender at all and im usually the person doing the most damage if not second most on top of hardly ever dying/ getting hit maybe its pure experience or dumb luck but i see no need for evade extender when your not really getting hit.
Keep in mind the more you spend time with the weapon you choose the more it grows on you and become apart of your playstyle
True as all hell. I know a guy that always recommends to learn to use all the weapons to at least an okay level, because each weapon teach you something important and adds to your playstyle in surprising ways.
This is very true, I started with Kinsect and even today when there is a monster that is giving me or my friend a hard time to defeat I take Kinsect and it seems that I am invincible.
Not true. People have likes & dislikes based on life experience, personality if you will. Which in turn caters to their playstyle. Have tried them all. Have played from the beginning (MH on PS2 & so on). Some weapons I hate with a passion. Insect Glaive is pure garbage imo. Bow is super boring. Lance & dual blades are meh (1 does boring pokes, the other is like you running around & pretending to hunt monsters with 2 kitchen knives, was never able to take DB hunters seriously). Hunting horn is just weird (can't say if it's bad or not, never bothered to master it - something tells me that going out of your way for certain buffs in the middle of combat is going to be annoying, even more so when they are not optimal moves for real combat. Also looking for openings to buff yourself or others feels annoying. Aren't those wasted seconds you could be doing damage instead?). All the other weapons are quite fun & make sense.
@@LumenPsychowhy not true ? Its your opinion..WE are 8 billions with different Idea and opinion
@@oriandthesleepytime A weapon that is easy for one person might be hard for another as that playstyle goes against their very nature.
In short, even likes & dislikes (personality based on life experience) come into play on how hard or easy a weapon is to learn/play (this is the answer to the video).
Regarding the main comment. I might take Insect Glaive, play a whole game with it but end up hating it still. So it is clearly not about which weapon you play the most within 1 MH game.. Over the course of multiple series, people want variety, play a weapon or 2 with each series to get good at it but some just won't click with them. Plus the fact that some weapons are more fluid in one game than the other.
My opinion on all the weapons from my previous comment stay true. IG is garbage, Lance/Bow are boring braindead weapons, DB can't be taken seriously with bigger monsters (no matter how much you jump or twirl around) & HH is just weird (can't say if it's good or bad weird as I don't have experience with that weapon; I'm leaning towards good weird I guess).
Dual Blades is the most fun to play since I main it. It might come to disappointment for some who love big burst damage in a single strike or two, but I really love the dual blades mechanics in mhr. Give it some time and you'll learn how to dodge deadly dmg (Others can dodge it too lol :P).
Yeah I want to Dodge deadly dmg but I'd rather Deal deadly dmg
I'm playing with the long sword and the dual blades just due to me tryna recreate Geralt of Rivia as a character. But I have realized I absolutely love the over aggressive, ravaging style of the dual blades. Insanely good movement, harassing style, decent damage output considering how you buff your character and what you use.
As a dual blades main, I love the manic energy you can achieve with later builds. Using demon mode combined with the furious skill makes me feel like a legitimate speed demon. It’s way too overlooked. It’s such a fun ass weapon and it does consistent damage versus big hit damage. The perfect weapon for people with ADHD
getting down the silkworm counter was really satisflying indeed
I would add a major point into the calculation for the blunt weapons (Hammer/ HH):
With the sharp weapons you can basically attack the monster form where ever you like.
With the blunt weapons you will have to go for the head, to deal a good amount dmg, which is usually the part of a monster where u do not want to stand, because they focus their attacks usually on the frontside of their bodies.
This is especially noticible with rajang, for him i would always go for a sword, because you definetly dont want to look into that mans eyes/fists.
Would probably rank them at the top of the mid category, maybe at the lowest of hard
As a Hammer Bro, Rajang is one of the easier fights, his attacks end with a pause promote hitting his head safely especially when he does the mouth beam.
Fights like Diablos/Basarios/Barroth are much more unpleasant since once you KO them you generally need to move to another body part to do good damage.
If you’re newer with hammer, fights like Anjanath where the head is harder to pin down take longer at first.
@@nikkof5384 Hammer in late-tier Sunbreak is definitely bumped up to at least Hard tier. Afflicted monsters move ridiculously fast and give you almost no openings for their head unless they aren't aggro on you for whatever reason. You need all the positioning awareness of GS to succeed unless you play Courage, and even then you can't use Water Strike while charging so you end up using Keeping Sway to dodge damage (which is super inconsistent IME).
Lance isn't as simple as it seems. The combos are simple, yes and you can always just keep your shield up for defense. But utising onsta block and anchor rage takes high knowledge of monsters and timings. Also since its a low mibility weapon, beginners might find themselves not getting enough hits in unless the monster chooses to stay on top of them. Especially in mulyiplayer. Learning how to close the gap with lance without risking damage takes quite a bit of practice.
His grading is very weird since Lance is also one of the slowest traversing weapon to used & good positioning is definitely not newbie friendly. With most weapons, you can easily run & dodge from the fight, meanwhile with lance, you must be good at side/back steps & guarding, otherwise dies veru easily.
My point is basically Lance is the hardest one & totall not newbie friendly because it is not forgiving with any mistakes.
@@crozraven pro, lance is just poke poke poke. You have the best shield in the game to just block anything.
actually that shield is a nerf. With so many counters in this game lance and gunlance kinda lost its identity as the definitive defense weapon. playing the poke poke poke strategy lose you so much dps
lance players absolutely coping that he called your weapon easy to pick up LMAO
I already don't trust a word OP says because he said lance was a "low mobility weapon".
This is my first Monster Hunter game, and I love the concept of the Charge blade. I like how I can keep switching between defensive and offensive. Yeah, you slow down with the axe out, but I keep my finger close to ZR just in case I need to switch back to move faster, or immediately put up that shield.
I whole heartedly agree with your assessment of the CB. It's hands down my favorite weapon and I'm glad they introduced it in 4u and onwards.
When someone loves charge blade
He must love to do many movement looks so cool but damage is the second part.
A MHXX Charge blade player…
XD
I think what most people underestimate is the versatility of the CB, If you meet the requirements.
You got everything covered from high defense play with a charged shield in sword-mode, fast paced attacks that piece every hide with a charged sword in sword-mode, multihit midrange chainsaw-mode to the all-in longrange (for a melee weapon) SAED
I want to like Charge Blade but the lack of any good low commitment attacks makes it feel awful in Sunbreak since most of the MR monsters have crackhead energy.
This is so weird to me because the first weapon I learned where I felt comfortable to play the game was with Charge Blade and this was without me looking up which weapon was beginner friendly. I was shocked when people told me it's considered complicated when I feel intimidated to play other weapons like Switch Axe or Longsword
I've had a similar experience, started with 3U and every weapon I tried felt like a curve.
CB arrived in 4U and it instantly made sense (with a few obvious surprises later on, didn't charge my shield until master rank, lol). Been a main since.
He's talking about one of three skill thresholds, and it's the lowest one. The bare minimum to access the functions of sword and shield are pretty X or A to attack and hold R, back A to do a charged attack for aerial, and press Y to use an item. The bare minimum to access the functions of greatsword are hold X until it flashes the third time and release to do a big hit. The bare minimum to use HBG is aim and shoot, dunno why it isn't the easiest.
For CB, the bare minimum is understanding how yellow charges three phials and red charged five, hold A to charge quickly, don't hold any direction during A or you'll slide (an unpleasant change in World unfortunately kept in Rise), RA to store phials, XA XA R to transfer phials to your shield, R to morph to axe, charged shield axe A button attacks or XA shield bash to deal high damage and elemental/KO buildup, morph to axe to guard point which can chain into (U)AED, XA XA in sword mode or XA in shield mode to UAED, hold back and press X to cancel UAED into regular AED, hold RA while storing phials and release it at the right time to charge the sword. Once you know all these basics, CB is actually one of the easiest weapons to play competently AND masterfully, but it definitely has one of the highest if not the highest barrier of entry.
Personally, I think competence is more important than the barrier of entry. Barrier of entry is basically irrelevant, and the fact that he brings up the LoL comparison at the beginning confuses matters more because the barrier of entry for every single LoL champion is extremely low, but he's talking about the competency threshold, and then says it only takes a few minutes to learn any MH weapon, when that is only true for the barrier of entry and not the competency threshold.
I was the same way. Switch Axe clicked with me so well using another weapon became difficult
same
I'm a Swaxe main trying to pick up the Charge Blade and my brain just won't function
I think all weapons are pretty simple once you put the time in to learn it but I often find myself instinctively sticking to a weapon or two at the start of each game and I really wish I was more open to try out all the weapons and different playstyles.
I love how my charge blade can be an oversized pizza cutter that can go "BOOM". Fell in love with it in MHW. I used to be a LS main and a HBG user in world. I'm still struggling to utilize wirebugs in combos in rise.
Love this. Only change I'd make is swapping GS and Bow, then it's perfect. Bow has safety by nature. I'm newer to MH and bow was my first main. I didn't have to know monsters nearly as well as I do for GS. And GS newbs whiff CONSTANTLY.
I have to disagree, I do main bow and it can be difficult sometimes to use. Finding monsters weak points and consistently hitting them without getting hit yourself since you must maintain a close to medium range. Along with that, unless you have a good build bow is very weak.
@@brandonhartman3516 I'm not saying bow is easy, I'm saying it's easier to newcomers than GS. GS is the harder weapon.
I'm a newcomer. I mained bow until I switched to GS. I switch back to bow for harder fights I'm not familiar with until I learn the monster.
It has great mobility (GS has some of the worst in the game)
You don't need to memorize monsters (GS has to)
Bow is extremely forgiving if you whiff (GS whiffs get you punished and has slow DPS if you aren't good)
@@SolaceAndDread this I can partially agree with. You still need to memorize monsters to precisely hit and exploit weak points. But yes bow has high mobility which to me is soooooo nice. GS is a whole nother animal.
@@brandonhartman3516 Most of the ranged weapons I'd say are easy for a veteran player to pick up. They have so much more survivability baked into the kit and loadouts these days and so much offensive power that you can brute force a lot of monsters down if you have a basic understanding of the weapons and a decent loadout. For a new player, bow in particular is so mobile and you will still do good enough damage compared to i.e. a hammer or lance even if you don't play bow optimally. It will just take a long time, but at least you have a bit more time to react to monsters, and tons of evasiveness to deal with their attacks. I'd put it alongside something like the SnS, where the SnS is safe to use for a new player, and not too hard to understand the basics, but you aren't doing good enough damage if you don't abuse immunity frames to push your up time damaging the monster, perfectly time the perfect rush and choose the right opportunities to do so, and perfectly time counter attacks. If you don't pick an SnS loaded with good stats and sharpness, you also probably aren't going to be feeling so great about your hunt times, so in essence both weapons are pretty accessible, but with higher skill ceilings.
Personally, I’d have to disagree with the Gunlance position. Being a GL main since the start of Rise, it’s not exactly difficult to pick up the combos, nor the place GL players should be in: close to the monster and tanking/drawing aggro with the endemic life (blanking on the name) while some of your more agile friends dish out a ton of damage. The Wyvern Fire grants you shield usage, and you can tank pretty much any attack, including my old nemesis the Magnamalo tail shot (or whatever the actual move is called). Idk it just felt easy after being a dual blade and bow user back in GU. Tho I have strayed towards the Charge blade as of late because I don’t have the materials to make the sinister shadowshot+ in master rank.
Seems like a lot of people didn't like these takes, eh?
These aren't bad placements for the most part. Gunlance could stand to be moved down to medium, and dual swords could be moved UP to medium as well, but all in all these placements make good sense. I think most of the dislikes comes from people thinking you're talking shit on their weapon.
as someone who loves them, dual swords is quite literally one of the easiest weapons in the game. Enter demon mode, dont demon dance at a bad time, and you have an insane dps, 2-3 move combo machine.
Agreed with you, people often try to amp the complexity of their weapons and forgets that is just the difference between being a good veteran hunter or someone new
Well considering i couldnt hit Jack shit with GS on my first MH game i consider it hard xD
I think a lot of it is people not listening when he repeats that this is to learn not to master eg sword and shield it's very easy to learn however in my opinion it is the most difficult to master out of all of them
DB in medium? Fucking lol, no, they should be in their own "ultra simple" category. The effort vs. payoff ratio on DB is insanely disproportionate. They're so easy to play with basically zero drawbacks.
Rise was my first MH ever. After spending 200 hunts as a CB main, the transition to the counter on SA is the hardest part ever for me in this game.
Using the CB decently is easier than landing the SA counter, at least for me.
Well difficulty really is subjective.
I've been maining Gunlance and Insect Glaive in Sunbreak so far. I also have Great Sword and HBG spread Meta builds. Gunlance does not have low dps anymore. The new blast attack switch skill makes mince meat out of monsters and packs a serious punch. It usually hits for over a thousand damage and with wirebug whisperer on I'm launching that attack a hell of a lot. A little practice and you can be dealing just as much if not more than any of the heavy hitter weapons.
GL mains are blessed with this expansion. When i get sunbreak in the future, I'll be glad to try out how it goes. I've been a gl main since 4U, although I've been a normal burst fire user, although now, since i started playing World recently, I've come to enjoy the Wide gunlances playstyle.
@@Swifthead Yeah, i started playing GL in rise, i was a lance main in world. i mainly play normal burst fire, but i have also been starting to play wide, i don't really play long that much, but every shelling type is pretty enjoyable in my eyes.
@@justinmoraal4764 nice! I've never really cared for Long or its playstyle, but im always happy for people whoms it does, if even slightly enough to sometimes play long. The Lance in World was going to be my secondary weapon, But using it against Coral Pukei Pukei with the mind of a gunlance player doesnt really work well when your buttons arent what you think they are.
One thing about SnS that I noticed you were wrong about, backhop does indeed have i-frames. It has the same amount of i-frames as foresight slash
On what planet does SnS not have i-frames when backstepping? It’s been a thing since it was first introduced (the backstep I mean). Even without Evade Window it has ENORMOUS i-frames, you can practically dodge everything with it.
Except lingering hitboxes, those will still get ya.
Correct. It's actually an eternity of s wrt other sources. Foresight slash is tied with it for the most s in the game, equating to ~0.66s of immunity.
By comparison 5 points in evade window only gets you 0.3s.
I think I'd place L n GL higher as it's easy to overlook the unintuitive movement as a barrier to entry, one of the things that probably turns away many players from sticking to em
Totally agree with that lol. When i first started mhw as my first entry to the series i wanted a somewhat cool weapon, tried the lance, was immediately thrown of by the seemingly slow movement and just switched to dual blades lol
As a long sword player since World, I think I would agree with your placement, as it is based on the skill floor rather than ceiling. Still, though, a weapon like long sword just gets better the better you get with it, making it a great weapon for new players, as they will find that they get rewarded for playing better, making it feel like that as they profess through the game, they get better both as a hunter and as a LS user. Furthermore, the skill ceiling of LS is near endless, just look at people like Peppo. It is definitely a weapon that you can always get better with, as it requires timing, special awareness, knowledge of the monster’s attack patterns, etc….
best take on LS I've read, good one sir. I hate when people talk shit about how LS is op and the easiest weapon in the game, while it's true that it has pretty insane counter capabilities, I highly doubt a newbie would pick up the game and be doing these right away. it takes time to become as 'invincible' as people like peppo make the weapon seem, just like you said.
@@happysquirtle466 I might be biased since I have 700 hours of playing only longsword, but I needed about 500 hours to get comfortable enough to go for counters naturally. It's definitely easy to pick up, but you'll take a really long time until you start using counter to get past death blows, beams, etc.
As someone who played since yesterday and mainly picked up the longsword because I wanted to fit in with the traditional Japanese style (very much considered the hunting horn and tried insect glave as well) and right now I found it hard to just... Hit in the correct direction. Let alone dodge in time when I fucked up. Invincibility frames and stuff like that, it's the first time I hear about it. Today I discovered my sword changes colour lol
I found the reach of the LS hard to understand in the beginning as well
New players with longswords 🤢
@@AndYouWillBeWithMe Hunting horn’s performance mode ZR has i-frames as well. HH got a lot more fun for me when I learned that.
Really confused about lance and GL. GL in Rise and especially Sunbreak seems like it's never been in a better spot, but lance seems like the one whose playstyle is complicated by limited damage potential. GL seems kinda pigeonholed by mechanics but not overly so, in the same kind of way that some weapons have historically been unable to leverage elemental builds. Just because GL basically revolves around full burst/slaplance/wyvern fire spam in the current iteration doesn't make it bad, honestly I've been really impressed with its damage output since picking it up over lance at the start of Sunbreak.
GL was never resolve around elemental status, the shell dealing pure damage is what so great about it.
@@liteasura6111 that was super evident where the meta for Alatreon in world for gunlance mains was kill it before you run out of faints to novas lol.
I'd put LBG up with HBG , bringing it to medium because knowing where and when to place a mine can be night and day. Not just for dealing damage but countering a monsters attack string or windup by setting the mine right where it'll make hit point contact as it begins- which is also dangerous to get wrong.
Tbh I don't think many people will place mines with LBG considering it has a switch skill which allows you to place the mines on the monster itself
As a someone who put in around 700 hrs in Monster Hunter 1 on Ps2 as a kid, and picking up Tri, then world when it had already been out for a long time I feel sooooo far behind what the combat has become. I remember when the flashiest weapon was the dual blades demon dance. I can still remember the village layout in my mind. It’s like I know all the old weapon attacks but they have changed so much it’s a truly odd feeling
Dont worry dude, as a PSP Longsword main, I ended up maining Glaive because of the mobility options and downright freedom it gave me
Been playing since MHFU. It iS *kind of* bizzare sliding around the map via a giant firefly while charging a GS slash
@@theoverseer393 I really wish they went in the fade slash dodge direction instead of making it a parry weapon. Loved longsword on portable 3rd.
I'm new to the serie overall since Rise is my first MH game, I picked up Dual Blade almost instinctively. I love how I can be mobile and how I can have a waltz of death with the monsters. Quick attack evades rince repeat. And the second weapon I am more easy with it's Hunting Horn, I don't know I felt at home too with this weapon same for bow as my third. Maybe it's how the command input for each weapons are not so complicate to get. Whereas Insect Glaive oh boy hard for me.
Gun Lance did actually get a pretty significant boost in Sunbreak, I think it's more middle of the road damage wise now, not at the bottom.
Nah it’s still in bottom in rise in terms of damage
It’s definitely stronger than it was in base game, but with explosive damage only scaling with artillery it’s not near the top of damage. However it’s damage isn’t bad and it won’t struggle with anything unless you want the fastest kill time possible. In terms of fun, I’d say gun lance is one of the top 3 most fun in the game.
@@ninjafrog6966 This didnt age well
thankfully taht seems to be the case. Hopefully it's not only for now and GL does remain a powerful weapon later down the road, even after title updates. That is usually when the GL starts to take a dive in "power level"
@@Linkfan0001 wait until the title updates
Guys charge blade isn’t that hard- 2,334 pdfs later- and that’s how you do an saed
i gotta say, inset glaive, lens, gun lens, heavy bogan and light bogan have to be my favourites
I'm an Insect Glaive main, before it came out I mostly used SnS but as soon as it came out I switched immediately, I love that weapon so much.
23:08 yes I agree to the most part but the hunting horn became much simpler in rise wich I personally don't like. It was much more fun when you needed to to more for the songs, because it makes sense that you need to put a lot effort into it so you get your reward (in that case buffs/debuffs)
BIG agree. I'm a Horn main, and while Rise horn is fun, I sincerely miss the complexity of the Horn from GU and World. It used to feel like an appropriate amount of effort for the payoff, but now it feels like I'm getting way too much for free and it makes me sad.
I am happy that it got simplified, they kept the older style of playing and you can do it of you want.
I like dooting while booping.
Gunlance was so fun in the demo. Made me beat Sunbreak with it. Damage isn't bad at all anymore.
Every time I see people talking about how hard CB is makes me happy that in my first MH game I used to play it. But The thing is it won't take a lot of time to master it. especially in Sunbreak. Now I can hunt almost everyything solo or help others to finish the hunt way faster
it was my main in 4u and is still one of my most used weapons, it's so much fun
One parameter I would also consider is single vs multiplayer use.
Case in point, the bow is a very strong weapon but, in single player, and etc. against large wyverns, it can be very difficult to constantly maintain proper distance and get good shots. This partially negates it's strength. In multiplayer, where you have fellow payers keeping the monster distracted, same weapon can be devastating.
I believe this is true for other weapons, as well. I use bow in multiplayer and gunlance in single player, for the above reason.
I always hear people say this. Sorry to break to you but you may not be very good at the bow. I've always played bow and I can tell you single play does not effect performance, you may be a bit weak in the weapon and not fully understand the skills and strategies to make it work. Bow is literally one of the strongest weapons in the game. Also, the bow is not a "ranged" weapon you want to be close.
18:23 where do i have this bike? pls
I might swap Hammer and Lance, and move Light Bowgun down to simple. As a new player coming in knowing nothing about charge states or anything, I was able to make some big numbers fly and hunts go faster with the Hammer, and Light Bowgun is just really simple and intuitive as someone who's new to Monster Hunter.
The hardest part about the bowguns is understanding what ammo types are good, how important recoil and reload are, etc. When I was a new player, I looked at the mess of info tied to the guns and said "screw that, I'm gonna just bonk shit." It's easy to understand most melee weapons. Go for big damage and affinity, stack attack and crit buffs, and you're able to make it work. Meanwhile if you just go for that on most bowguns you're gonna have a terrible time.
Now that I understand what I'm looking for on a bowgun, it's hard for me to use anything else if I'm going for quick clears.
Me personally CB sounds like a really complicated weapon on paper but its more like just 2 relatively simple weapons put together and finding that synergy between them
Great video. That said I dont agree with some of the picks because the difficulty of weapons is a bit more nuanced IMO.
The simplicity in MH is very deceptive. For example, SnS is easy to play but if you dont play it optimally chances are you'll end up frustrated with its damage compared to other weapons and playing SnS optimally is at least medium difficulty in my opinion.
Other example is the GS which is also kinda simple but one of the most technical weapons in the game. It hits like a truck but you will get frustrated if you play the weapon without a good level of knowledge of the monster you're fighting against. You'll get knocked out of charges constantly.
On the other hand weapons like Charge Blade or Switch Axe are complex mechanically speaking but each style (depending on skills) have a very specific gameplan that once you understand it becomes very simple. Like, with SA most of the time you'll execute the same attack rotation and once you charge the weapon it's all about doing the amped charge mounted on the monster and finish the combo with the aerial move.
With CB if you're playing SAED spam you're going to charge everything and SAED the monster, using the counter skill. If you're playing spinning Slash the weapon becomes a lot more simple.
So yea, I'd say it's not as simple as "easy to understand = easy to execute" and "hard to understand = hard to execute".
I think it's way easier to deal damage with Gunlance, SA or CB than it is with SnS or the GS.
TLDR: Even for newcomers I think learning a complex weapon like the CB or SA pays off quicker than just pressing buttons with the simple weapons that require a higher skill ceiling to catch up with the other weapons. I would even say SnS and GS are beginner traps because they dont look as flashy as other weapons and they seem too simple at first. Especially SnS which is a weapon that people tend to gravitate towards after learning other weapons and understanding what makes SnS actually fun and good.
as he said, ease to pick, not ease to master
I think SNS is a noob bait. Its range is abysmal, played incorrectly its damage is also abysmal and it has a lot of combos you have to learn. It also has a shield that isn't used for blocking at all. Except for an emergency o hit block maybe, as taking a huge amount of damage is better than dying. Let's break those 3 main things up:
Abysmal range means that you have to be close to the monster, which also means you need a good knowledge of the moveset of the monster, which is a thing a new player obviously doesn't has. The short range also means that you have to use your environment and the ability to use items without sheeting the weapon efficiently to hit weakspots like heads or tails. Thats also somethign newer players will struggle with + the materials/money to do this each hunt is a concern. Yes you can play SNS without all that, but then it's not really optimal.
Many combos can be overwhelming. Not all of them are good for example, some are great, but only in the right condition etc. Again without ample knowledge about the monsters behavior you probably will struggle with this.
And a shield thats for offensive use is just awkward in the beginning. Something you (probably) will get used to pretty quickly, but still something a new player might struggle with.
Don't get me wrong I love SNS, but I personally think that it's not an easy weapon for beginners. LS or SA are much easier entries imho. Yes they have a steep learning curve, especially the blocks and counters from LS, but you can at least play (and kill) the monster without countering it even once. And while SA has some awesome combos you deal a shit ton of damage just with the Switch attack und Rapid Morph 3. And both have much more range, ect.
@@Hc2p3n4t4rp I kinda address that on the TLDR. I think leading people towards weapons like SnS and GS is a bit of a trap. GS might be part of the reason newcomers complain MH is too clunky and punishing while SnS can incentivize a beginner to just press buttons randomly because the weapon seems to be simple. I think they might end up frustrated with the damage output from non optimized combos and hit zones.
@@Ocean5ix Capcom games have something strangely in common, that is their aproach to gameplay, and can be easily equated with their own Fighting game
SnS is like the Shotos, Ryu and Ken, easy to pick and do stuff, but hard to master its complexity
GS, not surprisingly, is like Change characters, like Guile, mechanically simple, hold a button/direction, but hard to actually pull out
and like that you can go to many others, his comments on the weapons werent wrong, but there may be better more compleate forms of saying it
You are 100% spot on. SNS is easy to use. But you have to master it to be good at it. I am a SNS main. I am not the best at it. But I am way better than i used to be hehe. Experience is key.
Rise is my first MH game and I instantly went for the bow. It scratches my itch for skyrim.
A few changes I'd make:
- Increase GS by 1 because long animation commitments increase the need to know the monster's move-set. This makes it hard to pick up relative to others when starting off.
- Increase DB by 1, because having four attack modes (normal, feral, demon, arch) plus stamina management and aerial commits make it a bit more than the other 'easy' ones for just picking up the weapon.
- Increase both bowguns by 1. As a "pick-up" difficulty ranking you should consider that they require non-default crafting in your wheel, an ammo loadout with crafting materials specific to the gun you're bringing, mod considerations, gun-specific weapon attributes to consider (deviation, movement on reload/shooting 'rapid' ammo), plus ammo ordering in the scroll wheel.
No other weapons demand this level of upfront thought and preparation to make it viable to use in hunts, even if attacks are point-and-click. And this is to say nothing of ammo knowledge, what works on what monsters, difficulty in gearing relative to other weapons, etc. It's a very technical weapon beyond just the attack combos to use.
- Reduce GL by 1 to balance between the three shell types. Wide poke-shell is really easy, normal shelling may (arguably) be "hard" here and long shelling is in between because it's more forgiving than Normal due to blast radius. For pick-up games, it has a generous guard point plus a good regular guard, so it's easier to work with than "hard" I would say.
- Reduce Switchaxe by 1. All you need is a couple switch combos and the silkbind move to reload your gauge, and you're good to go for a pick-up game.
Honestly in rise I don't even notice the low damage output from the Gunlance because of how much you can stick to the monster with mobility skills. Blast dash, reverse dash, and ground splitter are awesome for maintaining distance in dangerous situations and getting right back into the fight as soon as possible, so you're constantly dealing damage. Pair that with affinity skills and weakness exploit, maybe some sharpness management skills and mobility skills like a point of evade extender, and you're golden.
As an IG main, I agree with the hard tier. It requires a lot of attention to the kinsect and it’s buffs. As well as knowing where the buffs are on the monsters. It’s also important to know when to be airborne and that it depends on the monster. It flows naturally for me and it’s the reason it’s my main
I think Insect Glaive is about the only weapon that needs to buff itself for optimal use, while also not allowing you to extend/recharge the buff to keep it active. That is to say, double buff (red+white or white+orange) can be recharged at any time, but triple buff MUST expire before you can buff back up again.
7:22 Min.: Im as a long sword main with YEARS of exp can say you the following. The weapon is easy to play but hard to master. Everyonce can take a longsword in hand and play it. But if you become a true master of this blade its destorys every thing. Its a weapon of massdestruction. Its gaves NO better weapon to punish your enemys for there attacts. So if you master it you become undefeatalbe. A good longsword user gets NEVER hittet by the monster and counter EVERYTHING form it. Its possilbe you just have to read the monster right and punish it for the action. If you have the true mastery its like the monster kills his self! XD
people always talk about the pure damage on GL being low...but no one talks about how aggresive you can be with it now.
blast boost meaning you are almost never forced to sheath and reposition. and various forms of shelling and hit buffs. and the shield reload letting you be really agro in combat with your own form of guard point. ya the damage is a lil lower than it was in world but you got so much more mobility and safty with it now (heck even wyvern fire is a full block while you charge it )
I agree with you but I think GL has the problem of having a lot of end lag on its skills so you're exposed for a while if you go in too agressively so there's some care that's needed there
@@darkhero2 oh very much so. alot of the combos are alot longer than others and its REAL easy to get your self locked in place (look at wyvern piercer if you dont use it after a skill. a good 2 second lock)
and even guard reload leaves you open for a quarter second if you do it at the wrong time.
@@darkhero2 you say in the video that most of its attacks are low commitment. I don’t agree with your placement of GL especially when it comes to newcomers picking up the weapon.
You said that picking up a bow would be a disadvantage because it's a ranged weapon, therefore you're more likely to get hit. The point of a ranged weapon is to put distance between you and the monster. While all monster have ranged/rush down attacks, you can still stay out of harm's way by dodging, and there's switch skills that can do that (Bow and lbg).
I play with a lot of the weapons but Hunting Horn has been my favorite since World. I like Long Sword and Hammer a lot too. When I first played World I used Duel Blades a lot but haven’t in Rise a lot though with the fire poison blades I’ve seen recently I’ll probably use them more. The bow is a lot of fun too. I haven’t use the Lance or Gun Lance really though I want to get into using them. The great sword seems like a lot of fun now with the new moves. I like the charge blade though I haven’t used it in rise much either cause I like buffing and knocking out monsters with the hunting horn
For me I started out and basically main-ed the light bowgun, I like the range advantage giving more time to dodge attacks and taking a more relaxed playstyle compared to what I see with the melee weapons, though I branched out to the heavy bowguns for sticky, cluster, wyvern, and elemental ammo types when needed
I disagree with the bow. Bow is not hard. I'd rank it at medium. It is not exactly the most complex weapon to learn. Aside from having to manage your stamina, it has very few things you need to keep track off, allowing you to focus entirely on the positioning and gameplay. It is fast, has no complex combos, coatings are quite simple (there are only a few, and they are mostly just apply-and-forget) and for those reasons it isn't hard to pick up. The bow was one of my first weapons as a kid in MHFU, and it never gave me any trouble. It is no harder to learn than the h. bowgun, and especially not harder than the greatsword which takes a lot more careful positioning and is much more punishing if you mess something up. Finally, it doesn't deserve to be in the same category as the switch axe and gunlance, both of which are mechanically highly complex weapons with a lot of things going on at the same time, which is what makes those weapons highly challenging for new players (who need to keep track of all the variables and combos of their weapon at the same time as they are learning about monsters, positioning, dodging and other basic gameplay elements). The bow quite simply doesn't have as many variables to track.
I also disagree with the hunting horn. Despite the rework, it is still a good deal more complex than weapons like the longsword and dual blades. Those weapons can basically be picked up right away since their basic movesets are simple and very forgiving. The basic moveset of the hunting horn is signficantly more complex and takes more time to understand. I'd put the hunting horn at medium or even hard.
Idk, it's kind of close to SA imo because you still need to know the monsters movesets to know how many power shots you can get off (1, 2, or 0) before having to be able to dodge again. Plus, stamina management is pretty complicated when you realize that you can stall every attack slightly to increase your stamina if need be without dropping charge. Using your stamina to dps while making sure you have the stamina to dodge as well is something you always have to be aware of since you cant commit to a full dps combo and run out and get 1 shot because youre out of stamina. You also ideally keep track of your distance from the monster depending on which coating you are using. You'd be surprised how many bow players i see go full melee with power coatings on and the icon no longer shows you in critical distance.
It's a pretty complex weapon to learn (even tho rise gutted most of its complexity), but I agree that it's pretty easy to pick up and just start doing some damage with it, but so is almost every other weapon. Bow is easily one of the weapons where you can see someone and pretty easily tell they dont fully know what theyre doing at times.
Oh, I almost forgot about this, but people always forget about the fact that bow has to aim everything at weak points that are normally heads, which range from being reticule size to double the reticule size. Like yeah you can hit the other parts, but MH knows people would do that so theres terrible hitzones everywhere else that makes you hit for about 25% of what you would hit for.
I get that it seems easy, but as someone who has played most of the technical weapons on this list, bow is definitely up there if you give a shit about how effective youre being with youre dps. World bow is still one of the most complex weapons systems we have seen in monster hunter with all the different combos based on stam needs
Edit: I forgot to mention with the critical distance thing that managing coatings can also be complex when youre dashing back and forth on a downed monster and you need to switch between close and power with each dash to make sure you dont lose dps from being too close
you won't believe how many people i see in multiplayer dealing no damage with bow because they don't even know how to shoot at the monster
The hunting horns really easy it's mainly why I played it, and that's coming from me who found the longsword too difficult xD
Maybe because I play M+keyboard, but Bow was drop dead easy to pick up. The only barrier to damage I have ever faced was gearing up.
Bow gameplay is easy but it is hard weapon to use for beginners because you can only uses 4 armor sets, making the defense lower and you have less skill slot to put in. Bow also uses shit tons of stamina making the build being bog down by stamina skills. Coating is a joke because you can only carry a few of them in battle then you have to craft more.
As HBG/Bow main, I'd definitely agree on HBG in medium. The main difficulty lies within it's setup, where optimization isn't a plus, it's a straight up requirement for playing it. Especially when it comes to picking ammo type.
It requires a lot of jewels and pieces to work properly, whereas other weapons you can pick up the whichever weapon you want and some gear and be proficient with it in a hunt.
Too much deviation? It's useless.
Too much recoil? It's painful.
No guard/guard up? You brave but very dead soul.
Well, I have to disagree about Great sword, it's a weapon that need a good knowledge of the monsters and to have mastered positioning. Way harder than you think
I find it WAAAY harder to play in Rise compared to world imo. My hit and run style is gone. Adamant slash is hard to land because of how much mobility the monster has. TCS is very few and far between. You literally gotta know every move to get consistent DPS with it.
The video is about new players picking up the weapon, not mastering it.
Either way, it's not even hard to master. You just need to learn the monsters moves, and positioning, which you should be doing anyway. And rage slash is quite forgiving
@@heroicskeleton1566 a newcomer will charge in front of a monster and get hit until he learns positioning from it, which takes some time and attempts, in my opinion, this makes it far from beeing the second easiest weapon to learn...
@@bazelgeuse2474 oh, sorry I misread your original message. I thought you were talking about mastering the weapon, but you just said you have to master positioning. Yeah, I agree. You have to learn positioning and monster openings, but once you do it's an easy weapon to learn. Probably a good secondary weapon after you start with something like lance or long sword
@@heroicskeleton1566 I dunno man I only have a lot of xp with it in world and if I'm struggling with it newer players absolutely will in rise. It's so hard to pickup because of how slow it is compared to the speed buff the monsters got and only becomes easier when you start hunting the same monster a lot. Defo not easy to learn.
At 18:19 your palamute armor is a mod?
Lance is clearly one of the hardest ones as you need to be very consistent in everything to do any decent amount of damage in subsequent time. It also mean looking "boring." The satisfaction that comes from using lance is the successful hunt from that relentless consistentcy, especially when the monster don't get any attacks on you, from great guarding. I mean even Capcom agree with this as Lance is always in three stars difficulty rating.
only tried lkance a little bit in rise, it used to be my main weapon throughout world and most parts of iceborn. but the little i used it in rise felt so slow and immobile, especially in the mobility meta that is rise, how does it fare in sunbreak?
@@andybanan1992 The best its ever been in the series, I'd say even more fun than evade-lancing in MH4U because now we're able to counter/evade everything, the are just so many options, we just have to choose the right move for the right attack and Sunbreak excelled at it (with a very glaring exception imo).
From personal experience, LBG is pretty easy. Takes a minute to figure out ammo, item sets, radials, mid hunt crafting - but while there's some extra set up, its very easy to use in practice.
Absolutely. I decided to play LBG as my first weapon through sunbreak-honestly, feel like it was a mistake. Every fight was so incredibly easy as a result of its absurd damage and new silkbind counter, I found it practically impossible to die unless my brain flatlined for a few seconds.
@@MrInsiipid I cannot get the timings right on that silkbind counter and still have relatively little trouble. There's just very little need to learn a monster's particular animations and openings when you can pump bullets into them at range whatever they're doing.
How is everyone just glossing over the fact that he's playing with a creeper and the motorcycle from botw??
Where do non gunlancers get the idea that the weapon does NO damage lmao. Yeah it isn't topping the speedrun charts, but you aren't slapping the monsters with a wet noodle either! Had a great time watching the list, but I had to chime in behalf of Gunlance lol (also calling it a low animation commitment weapon gave me a little chuckle as someone who plays full burst only)
I just appreciated the respect I got from him for maining it lmfao
Ranged weapons difficulty mostly come from understanding how ammos work, how to farm efficiently, setting up crafting mid battle etc.
Or, just watch an angbata11 video and pew pew your way to victory
For real, though LBG belongs in simple because it's legitimately the easiest weapon to use in the game.
I'm an insect glaive main in sunbreak, played a GS a lot in rise, I don't know if it's just me but I do find LS to be ridiculously hard to play :O Counters are nice, but you just have to know every monster moveset perfectly for it to be useful, like GS with charged attacks
true! I noticed this a lot as a new MH player in Rise. Are counters strong? Sure. But you have to actually know the monster first in order to make good use of a counter.
I think a lot of MH players have spent so much time in the series that monster movesets become easier to guess, and easier to remember since they stay relatively consistent throughout the titles.
As a new player, LS was brutally difficult. Super long, stressful hunts fishing for counters and whiffing constantly.
@@NewChiqueChloe the game is actually brutally difficult by itself (at least if you play solo).
LS is just as difficult as other weapons, i guess it's the most effective one to play solo (not for speedrunners)
I remember my first deviljho solo on mh4u using GS, beat him in 40 minutes with hit, dodge, sheath technique... Everybody needs to learn the game the hard way haha
My point is : i'd recommend playing LS as well as every other weapons because what matters isn't actually how hard or how fast you can hit, what matters is how well you can understand the monster's way of moving and finding the way to hit it every time you can
I would say switch axe is easier and hammer harder the rest i agree mostly.
With hammer you need to use waterstrike to counter which you cant use while charging and talking about dodgecanceling sounds like you can get out of the attack animation, while you really can only cancel the animation where you pick the weapon back up + it is more dangerous to have to stay in front of the monster.
With switch axe you have wirestep which is much more forgiving and less commitment for the attacks while supposed to stay behind the monster. So easier to dodge attacks.
Yeah some optimal combos of the SA need you to switch stances, but thats the same for hammer. You put SA in hard with the skillsealing in mind but SNS in easy because of the skillfloor. You should judge all weapons by the skillfloor. SA skillfloor would be someone running around just useing axemode.
He kinda lost me after saying that GS is harder than hammer.
Nah I disagree. The skill floor is about using the weapon and still engaging with their main mechanics. Axe only SA is like saying Long Sword skill floor is low if you never use any Spirit Slashes lol.
With SA you at the very least need to maintain Sword Guage and maximize Amplified State. Then there's the Elemental Discharge Counter which is arguably one of the harder counters to use. Similar to LS you need to enter a stance to use it, meaning you can't just twitch reflex at the last minute. However unlike LS if you screw up the timing you are heavily penalized in both using up 2 Wirebugs and every second in stance drains a ton of sword gauge.
@@Kryto_Gaming And even with switching to sword mode in mind switch axe has a low skillfloor.
If the counter is to hard to time use wire step. "Maintain Sword Guage and maximize Amplified State" = On skillfloor is oh my god i have to hit the monster and i get to the amplified state and if you dont use discharge all the time the sword gauge lasts extremly long.
Lets compare it to dual blades.
2 bars. Fill one up. Watch out to not empty the other one so dont overuse it. Both leave you open for monster attacks if you do.
Bit higher commitment then dualblades but longer reach as compromise.
Both have a attack that leaves them open for attacks = flurry and discharge. Yeah both have some in depth differences but you see why SA put so much higher is just crazy? I like SA but it is not a hard weapon to get into. Just a bit harder than dualblades.
dual blades my beloved
Pretty decent list I'd say. I agree especially with Lance and SnS (Shield and Sword). I might put LBG and DB there too myself. LBG's difficulty really comes from understanding the shot types, recoil, and all that stuff, using the weapon itself is easy.
Weird take but in solo hunts it should be mentioned that you feel a bit claustrophobic with LBG. If you play counter skill that makes up for it. Or if you play in a group it’s brain dead.
@@swift-pawedteif386 I can see that maybe in certain small areas in certain maps, but I don't really see why you would feel like that in general.
Do you use some high recoil ammos or something? I could see it then, but if you get low recoil and low reload then you can just basically walk around the monster while shooting at it constantly.
@@ArcticWolfGod Certain match up like jyratodus (spelling?) in water literally crowd you. And faster large area monsters like shogun. With the mud mechanic it’s usually not a problem but for some reason when I solo the fish it mud locks me. I was actually very confused it was pressuring me in just the weirdest way not attacking but surrounding me.
And no. I’ve made all the guns but only use weapons with recoil low and at least fast reload. I played a lot of bowguns so I should probably say the fights are not difficult. And the feeling I’m describing is just that a feeling. A sense of crowding. And for the hardest fights counter mine just makes everything that was hard simple to manage. Providing okay timing.
@@swift-pawedteif386 Well yeah that's just a thing Jyuratodus does, and it always follows it up with an attack. Just move out of the way when it starts doing the mudlines. You have loads of time to sheathe your weapon and dive too if you're having that much trouble.
As for Shogun Ceanataur? Fast? I'm guessing you're staying further away from it thinking that's a good tactic against it. Stay closer to it and all the moves it uses are easy to handle, you'll even bait it into using the spinning slash a lot meaning you get completely free openings as a gunner. If it moves away and you're not good at avoiding stuff then just sheathe and prepare to dive.
I can’t find myself disagreeing. I’ve been with MonHun since PS1,as well as, it’s switch from PSP to 3DS. Now, I’m back as a noob for MH:Rise. It’s refreshing to hear that there has been some changes…all of which I’m about to try out. You have my thanks from the Ol school.
Me too 😂but I got back in it quickly
My list would look like this, in the exact order:
Very Hard: Charge Blade, Heavy Bowgun, Light Bowgun
Hard: Greatsword, Gunlance, Bow
Medium: Insect Glaive, Longsword, Switch Axe
Easy: Hammer, Sword and Shield, Hunting Horn, Lance, Dual Blades
Bowguns aren't hard to play, but the ammo system has severe difficulty in terms of gathering and crafting. If you're new, you probably won't understand half of what the weapon page says without a guide.
Greatsword doesnt belong in medium - it may be simple, but you must have a lot of patience and understanding of monsters to play it proficiently. Charging and wiffing your every attack is frustrating for new players. That's why weapons with faster combos and less commitment are way easier to get into. That's also why Glaive and Axe are lower - they have some management, but are generally easy to pick up.
Nice video overall, but I do have a lot of gripes with this part of the video: 14:30 - 15:08 . I understand you have had experience with CB and hence say it feels easier than Switch Axe, however I don't think you should put that statement in your script. If your target audience is new players (or people looking to pick up something new) and explicitly state that this is a ranking for how easy it is to pick up a weapon, I don't believe the argument that "it becomes second nature with practice" should be used - it goes for every weapon, but for CB it just takes more time.
I agree that this is the better tier list for beginners. I think too many players get intimidated by the clunky weapons that require you to have knowledge on the monsters. If we assume that players are fighting each monster for the first time, it's easier for them to get into with faster weapons with lower commitment.
Im a Light bowgun player uf you want to do glow valstrax is the bowgun really usefull
Give bow a shot and see if it shifts down the list.
It’s definitely harder than lance or sword and shield, but I would by no means put it above GS, glave or swax.
Yo… you’re so right, which is why I’m always using my trusty normal ammo 1 + 2, pierce ammo 1, shrapnel ammo 1 and the occasional cluster bomb 💣 lmfao 🤣
@@rory9088 Bow is my third most used weapon behind Greatsword and Chargeblade 😎. I agree it isn't that hard once you get the dash-dancing down and get used to positioning and aiming. I put it high on the list, because stamina management skills early game are very sparse, and they're what enable the weapon and make it feel good. Newcomers won't immediately understand eating for stamina and drinking dash juices ✌🏻
The legendary moto skin for your chumsky is hilarious
You are the only person that helped me find that bike lol tytyty
@presufis917 lol, happy to have helped out
Lance and Greatsword both belong in higher tiers imo. You can't separate monster movesets from GS and you can't separate mobility from lance, both of which comprise the majority of the learning curve of their respective weapons.
Charge Blade was my first weapon ever and I did fine without even knowing how it worked. I got to the end of low rank quests by just changing to axe mode when my phials were full and spamming wild swings. Playing it efficiently is complicated, but it's one of the easiest weapons to pick up for a newcomer along with switch axe.
I'm at MR200, ive done my whole playthrough with greatsword, the mechanics are super simple to learn, but the timing and positioning (especially with strong arm stance) is still something I'm learning, it's different with every monster.
A new monster is a whole new set of actions to study, gets overwhelming tryna figure it all out
Been an IG main since MH4U and it can be complex but it is so fun once you figure how to use it.
The lance is pretty deceptive for new players. At face value, you have a powerful shield but the cost is that you move slowly and the attacks aren’t flashy. The key to lance is proper positioning and aggressive onslaught mixed with counter attacks to keep the dps almost constant. The mobility issues makes you have to figure out more efficient movements options. Shield charge, spiral thrust and to an extent twin vine are great ways to keep you right on the monster. I personally run double palicos because I traverse the maps vertically and across everything instead of directly following the main paths or even using the bases for fast travel and the great wire bugs as well. The extra support double cats provide with traps and buffs over the palamute mobility is just more worth it in a fight.
Personally I'd say IG should be around easy/medium it really isn't that difficult to use especially now that they added kinsects that can extract two colors at once making it much easier to get all 3 without having to be as precise plus I find that powders tend to be hit or miss imo my only gripe is that it feels like the extract buff doesn't last as long as it did in world even with the buff time extended skill might just be me otherwise solid list
I do enjoy how he specified that the list was about the ability to pick up the weapon, not master, as many weapons, such as the sword and shield or the hammer may be easy to pick up, but are very hard to master. And conversely, a weapon like the gun Lance may seem complex and hard at first, but can be easy and satisfying once learned
Lance is very hard if you want to Master the Spiral Thrust 🤠
You're making a great point! I mostly took it as how easy / hard weapons are for a newcomer to use, but if I were to rank them in terms of how hard they are to master Lance would definitely be up there!
Bro fr I love lance but spiral thrust timing and aiming is something I still can’t do
With Sunbreak Skyward Thrust is up there for mastery goals as well. Its an attack with a ton of endlag, near-useless against anything less than thrice your height, and no guard points so using it haphazardly can easily end in getting hit. However it does have an incredible amount of damage behind it when used well, above and beyond anything else in the lance's repertoire. At endgame I'm finding that I can regularly deal upwards of 2000 damage, and have reached over 3000 total damage with all hits crit-ing, on every well-used instance of Skyward Thrust.
In contrast Shield Tackle makes things almost overwhelmingly simple as you would expect an attack that simultaneously defends, deals effective KO/Exhaust, and good damage.
@@themagicmonkey2513 With the Lance buffs in Sunbreak (literally every move except Spiral Thrust was significantly buffed) Spiral Thrust isn't as massively competitive as it used to. Now, you can often outdamage Spiral Thrust spam by using the rest of the Lance's moveset - with Spiral Thrust still being quite useful as a rapid movement option instead of being your main attack.
I agree with your placement of LS I think it sits in the perfect middle ground of being easy to use and accessible enough for new players to pick up the weapon whilst having a higher skill ceiling to keep players engaged with it as they get better at the game.
I don't really agree with SnS being a low entry bar at this point, it literally has all the weaknesses that people dislike the most from a melee weapon: it has a short range, it has low motion values on basic button press, its hard-hitting attacks are locked behind sophisticated combos, its direction input affects your movement drastically (backsteps, spinning slash directions), it has moves that you'll either need to avoid using or use with caution (including shields).
Most new players might find SnS easy to use before they know what button to press in the game, but they'll really have a terrible experience playing it through low-rank hunts.
Imo Rise SnS actually fixes those problems, because of how relatively powerful Shield Bash combo has become. The common intuitive input of "press the direction of monster and press attack repeatedly" actually produces good result (decent raw damage than before) AND very little draw back (natural Mind's Eye, so no weapon bouncing, also no sharpness consumption). Once they get the hang of it, then they could be introduced to adding spinning reaper at the end of the combo for damage.
I agree with all the problems you mention (a CB main friend of mine said to me "your SnS combo stuff is absolutely ridiculous" lol), but I don't think they would be relevant to a beginner's LR hunts. It's ironic that in the game that the director specifically said "SnS is no longer a beginner's weapon," I actually think it's the most beginner-friendly it has ever been.
In my opinion the LS would be at the top of the hard due to the dependence of the extremely buggy parrys to load the spiritual bar easily just to give a small burst of damage that sometimes gets even a little close to a Real Energized Cut of the GS but much harder to activate by relying on the spiritual bar, parrys or moments when the monster gets tired and the monster does not run you over while you use the insect and I would consider the CB an medium weapon, it is not very difficult to load your bottles and unload a SAED on the monster, specially using that insect ability you jump and unload a whole SAED in the monster.
(I'm not considering any skill or build that has come from Sunbreak because I only played on PS4, where Sunbreak will launch around June or July.)
Yeah, I agree with you on this. For me the charge blade couldn’t keep me interested. But the LS is one of those that people downplay it so much that when a good player uses it everybody on the team is in shock.
As lance main since MH2Dos I wouldn't say it's newbie friendly. GS is also crazy hard for newcomers. BoW is hard to master but much easier to just jump into and shoot.
i agree with lance being simple. This is after all a "Can you pick it up and go" list. Lance has a high cieling as well sure for timing, dodging and what not but you can in the end grab it for your first mission throw up a metal wall and just not die and widdle down the monster.
edit: I have mained lance since the first monster hunter. You can do some shenanigans sure but the basics are simple.
The great sword is by far my favourite weapon for all games it’s play style you need to play smarter with and know when to strike, I enjoy being very Aggressive with it but 1 wrong move the monster can attack you well charging it or just run away and leave you hanging 😆
16:10 bro how the fuck did you changed from charged sword to the pizacuter so quick without loading fies? i have been looking for a way to do it but cant find nothing
Insect glaive is not beginner friendly imo. The weapon has a lot of intricacies to be used efficiently. Aerial play, kinsect management, powder placements, etc.
I agree with you, as an IG main, this weapon take a lot of understanding to use it efficiently, especially knowing each monster's nectar position, it is not the easiest. You are very mobile and can pack quite a punch, but it is also dependant on one skill: Power Prolonger, the nectars effect are very short so most of the time you'd be on the ground sending the Kinsect to the spot of the monster, this is a strong weapon in good hands, but it is not the simplest, the combo are easy to understand, but the mechanic around it is hard.
@@MatsuGrimlyak if you start yeeting your kinsect power prolonger becomes unimportant. You can also make it super easy on yourself and use the dual color kinsect. Throw that bad boy out, hit hard, get 2 colors back, hit woth kisect slash (the aerial move right mouse button for me) 2 or 3 times then hit the attack on the left button that spikes you through the monster.
So nice when you pull it off.
@@roberthaines8951 Is there a specific kinsect you need for the dual color pickup or it is a mechanic I may skipped in Rise? I know that in World you can do this with the content of your slingshot.
@@MatsuGrimlyak yes there is dual color defense and dual color attack. You purchase them right from the blacksmith. Don't know the names off the top of my head.
@@roberthaines8951 good to know, I'll check it out when I can!
@DarkHero 2 Hey how where you able to do the Amped Element Discharge with just the left analog stick and Triangle button around 16:40? The only time I can do that AEDis when my shield isn't chardged.
Personally, I would rank Insect Glaive as a “medium” difficulty, not hard. I’m an Insect Glaive main, but I’m not a veteran hunter who’s used it forever. Rise is the first Monster Hunter I got really into, after only putting like 10 hours into MHGU. Insect Glaive does have a lot of complexity, but the insanely high mobility more than makes up for that. You can do super simple combos, like on the ground just mash X and if you get up into the air just mash A and you’ll do a good amount of damage while being able to maneuver easily to stay out of the way of attacks. Of course that’s not the optimal way to play and you can get much more in depth, I’m just saying you can pick it up fairly easily. On top of that, Kinsects are way less complicated in Rise than they were before. You used to have to feed Kinsects different nectars to level them up and choose how your kinsect will grow, but in Rise you can just buy the ones you want and they scale up with the weapon. For beginners, using a dual color kinsect makes it way easier to keep full extracts, and honestly even if you don’t get full extracts the weapon is still decent. So with all of that said, I think the incredible mobility is more than enough to bring IG down to Medium difficulty.
Also Light Bowgun is the simplest weapon ever to pick up if you’ve ever played a shooting game. It’s literally just a machine gun. You can use different ammo to deal more damage or inflict status ailments, but that’s not necessary. I recently decided to try light Bowgun, I had never played with Light Bowgun before, picked it up and only used normal ammo, and I completed the hunt in record time, compared to times I had taken using my main weapon. Light Bowgun is basically “Hey, do you want to turn Monster Hunter into a 3rd person shooter? Great, here you go!”
I'd argue that the switch axe is as hard if not harder than the charge blade to be optimal on for a number of reasons less time for dodgewindows and not being able to have a shield for instance while having just as complicated combos for being consistent with that damage
Correct me if I’m wrong but I do think the SnS backstep has more i-frames than a normal roll.
Great video though :) Mostly agree with the rankings and the arguments are good to.
You're correct, I mispoke here. I think you can even see me i-framing an attack from the training dummy with the backstep in the footage. My bad.
20s for back hop and 4 on a regular roll -mhr
to learn is one thing, to MASTER is a whole nother story.
I started with playing chargeblade in mh4 because i felt braindead after spamming longsword & clusting alatreon in mh tri till we all had hr999...
To All newcomers:
Play whatever you feel like
Its about having fun and when you have fun you'll learn faster like always in life so don't fear to at least try out every weapon for a few quest 😉
oof I remember the clustering of alatreon on the elevation, really did make me go braindead lmao
Gunlance can be an odd one to step into, and seeing how slow it seems at first when wielding it can turn away allot of people. But once you get the hang of Bullet barrage, and Ground splitter, (Which has some hyper armor) You can stay on the monster pretty easily. Probably the hardest part of the weapon, is figuring out how to socket your armor for it. XD
Gunner weapons are by far the easiest to pick up and use, they have the safest attacks and easiest sustained dps
hm I am not quite sure about that, since this video is made for monster hunter newbies and new people usually struggle with ranged weapons for multiple reasons. i often had new players in my hunts (especially in world) that didnt so any dmg with those weapons due to not understanding how different ammo works
@@lpsmitcaptainuniverse4985 Yeah, I agree. I’d say they are the easiest after watching a single short build guide
Really great video but how did you mananed to get the Wiggler Helm (at 20:05) ?
Good list! I think CB isn't as hard for me because I played a ton of it in 4U. That being said, it's quite different in Rise so I'm having fun just learning about the weapon again. And while Longsword might have all of those s it still takes a lil bit of skill to get the timing right, you do get punished if you miss your window, so I think it balances out.
Thank you ^^
You get a slap on the wrist if you mess up LS timing. You lose a bit of hp thats it. Meanwhile in case of other weapon like swax if you mess up a counter you lose wirebug + lose hp.