I won't say on what subjects, but suffice to say I am a researcher myself. I know how hard it is to overturn the generally accepted narratives with historical events, I've been there, and I know how incredibly difficult it is. I absolutely appreciate the incredible work and research you've put into this. Wow... I think we all owe a collective apology to Mr. Brushy Roberts, and a huge thanks to you as well. -Twitchy
Brett, I’m always thrilled to see that you have posted another video… the story of Billy the Kid, comes to life.. as I listen… your work is much appreciated.
brett hall is very good, and if anyone wants to hear more on this subject, listen to alias billy the kid by daniel edwards. he is also very, very good. And, like brett, an HONEST man !! If he does not have proof, he will not say it !! Or at least tell you this is my opinion based on what he truly believes from what he has uncovered.
These 2 are my absolute favorite youtubers on any subject, not just Billy the kid. Like you said, it's their honesty and integrity that shines out from both of them. Rare to meet people that don't just skip the hard questions or try to twist narratives that supposedly tarnish their various claims. Instead both confront them head on time and again, going down to the smallest details of various events, pictures, details, reports, accounts, archives, etc to show time and again the facts that make the commonly held claims against brushy bill's authenticity are wrong for more than 1 reason each. I believe if the case on his identity as Billy the kid were tried in open court, with these 2 guys as the defense team defending Robert's, or the prosecution team attacking the narrative that the kid died in 1881(depending on which way the case were tried), that any jury in America would conclude beyond a reasonable doubt that the immense circumstantial evidence, when taken as a whole, and with them cross examining anyone clinging to the "historical narrative", proves conclusively enough for any court of law, that Brushy bill and the kid were one and the same person. Case closed (sorry for the run on sentences😂).
11:07 Roberts description of John Jones being shot through in the back of the neck is entirely accurate yet seldom if ever mentioned in contemporary books
@@davidrice3337you will feel pretty foolish when you find out brushy really was the kid , you have no idea how much compelling evidence there is to support brushy .
Very thorough job, thank you very much. I sincerely believe that anyone who thinks brushy Bill wasn't Billy the kid has simply not done a thorough job researching.
@@Bigmikeobama2 No DNA test has ever been conducted on Roberts or the body in New Mexico. They tried to do this back in the early 2000s but were blocked by the courts in New Mexico.
@L burnstein Most of his family believe his claim. Only two vocal, claimed members of his family have come out against him. One was a very distant cousin who had never met him, and the other claims to be a niece. One problem with that is that according to Roberts' family Bible, he didn't have any nieces. Thanks for watching.
Having listened intently to the documentary the evidence is overwhelming to the true identity of the truly amazing character who it seems lived by a personal code of ethics suspect but honest in it's own way.
I live about 45 mins away from Lincoln county and ive been to the court house, it was actually pretty cool being in the sames place where the kid was and learning about his history and the Lincoln county war
Burns was a great fiction writer. 10 gauge dbl ought buckshot holds 18 pellets per shell not 9, 10 gauge single ought buckshot is 10-12 pellets depending on the shell length. Another win for Brushy Bill. I’m quite a bit younger than Brushy Bill. I’ve read things that I’ve read before over and over and I still don’t remember every detail, hence the need to re-read. No way he memorized books to give these details that line up with factual accounts to the extent that he did plus showing locations like the cave.
+1 The same people who say Brushy Billy did read, study and memorize all those books and articles about Billy the Kid's life also say Brushy was illiterate! I guess, if someone sides with 'The House' against Billy and Reality, they own the privilege to tell all the lies, fabrications and hypocrisies... as if they're simply reciting official records.
@@ccrider3435 right? Like if you say it happened a certain way because a known liar and charlatan Said so in his "nonfiction" biography, and another account also known to be full of inaccuracies are the 2 main titles used as the official narrative: and then you are countered by several modern updated books and cites providing a mountain of evidence to prove claims that it didn't happen the way the narrative states...why is it just shrugged off by people?
@@jamesballard1170 I already did a video debunking the claim that Brushy Bill was really Oliver P. Roberts, born in 1879 using census, employment, and genealogical records. There is a lot of bad information being circulated online by those that seek to discredit Roberts. However, if one were to fact-check their claims they would learn that they are completely unfounded, unsourced, and not based on facts or evidence. That is why I created this series and why I not only quote directly from the source but show it on the screen as well. Why can't those that seek to discredit Roberts do the same? Here is a link to the video th-cam.com/video/EK9oRxqmee0/w-d-xo.html
Mr Hall, you are to be commended for your extraordinary perseverance in presenting the facts regarding Billy the Kid. There is a TH-cam channel titled all things Billy the Kid which simply presents the mainstream narrative, declaring Brushy Bill Roberts to be a liar. What stands out most to me is the fact that Roberts did not seek out recognition. If William Morris had not sought out Mr. Roberts, he would have never disclosed the information he had. And his descriptions, which were contrary to period pieces written about The Kid, yet, in the end, proved to be more accurate, is the closer. If Brushy Bill was not The Kid? Then someone needs to find an active participant in the Lincoln County war, who was close enough to Billy that they witnessed all those events in real time, but has been overlooked by everyone who has studied those events. No one can know for certain. However, based upon the facts as presented in these videos, it is my belief that Brushy Bill Roberts was, in fact, William H Bonney, AKA Billy the Kid. I always had a problem with Pat Garrett's account of killing The Kid. Billy demonstrated a unique capacity for survival, even in the most unlikely circumstances. To me, the thought that he would inepty stumble into a room with the man hunting him down is such a ridiculous fiction, that it warrants no serious consideration.
I have a lot of Tin- pictures from the 1800s are there any pictures of Billy the Kid when he was say 10-12 years old and any picture's of Bushy Bill Roberts around the same age to compare looks..I know back then pictures were very scarce the pictures I have from like 1880- 1900-1910-My grandfather WW-1 two of them are postcards on the back the other one is just a regular pictures dated 1918..On the front on the lower right-hand corner it is embossed with the photographer's name..When they said the Kid was dead I believe they had a small marker where he's buried and then once they had that big flood nobody had a clue how they could find the body and who's in that pine-box..⚰🤠
@melbourne-heat.69-71 they have like a school picture of billy the kid at the billy the kid museum in Fort sumner, he looked like he might have been around 11 or 12...
Brett Hall, and also Daniel Edwards(alias billy the kid channel), are my absolute favorite youtubers on any subject, not just Billy the kid. Like you said, it's their honesty and integrity that shines out from both of them. Rare to meet people that don't just skip the hard questions or try to twist narratives that supposedly tarnish their various claims. Instead both confront them head on time and again, going down to the smallest details of various events, pictures, details, reports, accounts, archives, etc to show time and again the facts that make the commonly held claims against brushy bill's authenticity are wrong for more than 1 reason each. I believe if the case on his identity as Billy the kid were tried in open court, with these 2 guys as the defense team defending Robert's, or the prosecution team attacking the narrative that the kid died in 1881(depending on which way the case were tried), that any jury in America would conclude beyond a reasonable doubt that the immense circumstantial evidence, when taken as a whole, and with them cross examining anyone clinging to the "historical narrative", proves conclusively enough for any court of law, that Brushy bill and the kid were one and the same person. Case closed (sorry for the run on sentences😂). If they ever teamed up to do a documentary or anything else it would completely change the landscape on this topic. Really amazing researchers, presenters, and fantastic all around journalists/youtubers. All the respect in the world for these two and i wish like hell everyone else on all other contentious historical topics took their approach and their integrity to model after. Could do alot worse.
There's more proof that Brushy Bill was The Kid, than proof he was not. Brushy Bill knew the smallest details of factual events that only a person who'd lived them himself could have recalled.
IM VERY MUCH OBLIGED FOR YOUR TIME AND KINDNESS FOR PUTTING THIS TRUTH TOGETHER BRUSHY BILL AKA BILLY THE KID DESERVES FOR THIS TO BE HEARD ~ BLESSINGS 🙌 TO YOU AND YOURS MR HALL~ SINCERELY JONESY OF RUIDOSO NM AND JENKS OKLAHOMA ~
Brett, it's just hard to listen to the aka, "historians" who don't do their research like you do. It seems they just want to support what the dime novels stated or tall tales by those seeking fame. Your Brushy series has me sitting on the edge of my seat waiting on the next video!
Wild West Extra did a whole episode on Roberts, his real name, birth place, parents etc. he grew up on a farm in Texas and was a small child when Billy died.
@@caleb1rshelton Did he actually show you these documents that support his statements, or did he just parrot the same old unsourced bs? I already published a video debunking the 1879 birth claim using census, employment, and genealogical records and unlike the those that seek to discredit Roberts I show you the documents and sources on the screen as I'm citing them. th-cam.com/video/EK9oRxqmee0/w-d-xo.html
But man Brett's research the more I go thru it it does have me questioning things but as of now I belive after 30+ years of research the kid was killed in Sumner and billy Wilson started his claim as brushy aka billy the kid
Sir..incredible body of work. The time and energy you must have devoted to your research and the sheer quality of your research is beyond my comprehension. My only regret in listening and watching your completely captivating body of work, is that those who publish similar genres do not put a fraction of your effort into their endeavors. I tip my hat to you Sir. You have reset the bar for those who follow in your shadow. Excellent and enjoyable to the last spoken word.
i just found your channel , been enjoying your vids immensely , well you've convinced me ,specially with the facial recognition and features ,all the old knife and bullet wounds in the correct places , i mean how many pranksters were runnin around getting shot and stabbed in the right places to think to themselves "yeah i think i'll pretend to be Billy the kid" , too many accurate recollections that some guy would have to make it his life's mission to try to weave together and collect from a hundred different locations and people that confirm his versions of what happened , not like the fantasy versions that don't hold water from the historian eggspurts , i was in the court house in 1994 , thinking of the stairs , if Bell was bolting down he would be exposing his left side for the shot to enter and leave his right side as the dogleg in the stairs i thought turned left towards the bottom , Garrett says the wound in the opposite way doesn't he, i know most of the time he lied though , but i found that a bit odd , in comments there's a few that don't watch the video's properly or maybe don't rewind to re listen , apart from the surviving mansions in the south my three favourite places to walk and soak up the atmosphere and feel the air are Deadwood , Tombstone's Birdcage and Lincoln , thanks for sharing , cheers big ears from down under
@@brushybret Excellent Narration. Are you aware of the following: 🔹DNA Confirmed that Billy the Kid actually lived until he died of Natural Causes in his late 70's or early 80's. He made an effort to reveal the truth, but wasn't believed. He literally lived his life, God Bless him. That had to take some restraint for a young man with reasons to retaliate. Garrett must have made arrangements with Billy to make his story stick. He wasn't the turncoat everyone thought he was. DNA is a valuable tool to validate or invalidate a vast number of History subjects. Beth Bartlett Sociologist/Behavioralist and Historian
I dont know how i just found this but its fantastic!! I can't wait to see the other parts now. I did a reset years ago on hico and it was the first time id heard of brushy bill. Its a fascinating story. Personally from all the things ive seen and read, i believe he was the kid
I used to study billy quite a lot, thought I knew my stuff and never believed brushy. However after some podcasts and these videos… I’ve begun to wonder. The night he was supposedly killed, why did he go in a room of English speakers and speak Spanish? I understand pete was Hispanic, but he told pat in English “that’s him” so why did billy reply to that in Spanish? Secondly, at 90 this man had a very vivid memory, makes you think there’s some truth. Along with friends verifying him… I think there’s a good shot he either was billy, or was his best buddy through it all… funny that the jail records don’t recount a buddy being arrested with him.
I fell into this rabbit hole a few days ago and have been chasing the tunnels since… the more I see and hear, the more I’m convinced that Brushy Bill was Billy the kid. it seems that there is so much proof that he was and so many counter dictions to the “official narrative” that a rational person would have to believe that Brushy Bill is truly Billy the kid… and his story only gets better the more you read, watch and hear.
I love your videos. I am 97% convinced he was Billy but one part is missing for me to push me the rest of the way. I need the final nail in the coffin- I gotta know his version of the events of the night he was supposedly shot and killed. I need the details. That will convince me. His details over his escape make sooo much sense. 100% believable.
@@brushybret when can we expect to see that video? Love your work. Keep it up. Channel is the best source and makes the best argument for why he was Billy.
@@MusicmyZombiethat’s what I’m always saying! Someone told me that cameras weren’t that common back in those days and that the nearest one could’ve been on the other side of the New Mexico territory and could’ve taken days or even weeks to get one which makes sense, but still, the most famous outlaw in New Mexico was supposedly laid out dead and they didn’t get absolutely any proof that it was him! Pics or it didn’t happen! 💯😅
I really hope you watched his next video, about what happened in Fort Sumner! Yet again Brushy's version matches up with the witnesses versions and the evidence. About a year ago I was on the fence about Brushy, but after learning about his story and rewatching all of Brett's and other's videos, I am 100% convinced that Brushy was telling the truth
Great information Brett! I loved the story of Brushy going back to the crime scene. The story comes alive with him telling us just how it happened! Also, very detailed information about Ollinger and Bell. I've never heard all the specifics you gave about Bell's pistol. Totally makes sense about Billy packing off Bell's pistol as he made his famous escape. Once again, thank you for sharing and I look forward to the next time you make another video. Have a great day! Bobby
Look at the tin type photos and any other of Billy then look at the pictures of him old he literally carries himself the same way as the tin type and even facial recognition that’s been done say it’s him.
Please continue with the research especially what happens after billy escapes the jail and the night that billy was supposedly shot by pat.... I truly believe billy escaped .. and who was the man that pat Garrett so quickly buried... Thanx fir your awesome research!!
Man talk about doing a 180 on content lol!! Keep doing g what you are doing brother you have a great voice for the videos you are creating. Also, you do a great job pointing out all the facts in the cases. You are on to something here....keep up the great work. I look forward to more videos
No, no. The use of "dinner" is widely used in the New Mexico, Pan Handle of Texas terminology as Lunch. Thus the confusion of time. Dinner means lunch!
@5:27 the story is "miss spoken". He is describing the people as if he is Billy then he says "Olinger isn't nothin to him". I'm guessing he means nothing to Billy.
Not only was brushy the kid , everything he said he did was true and he also did many more things he didn't talk about trying to get that pardon Wallace promised him . Brushy wasn't as upset about not getting the pardon from mabry as Morrison because showing up for that pardon was enough for him to make the point , they didn't get ole billy no sir , stood at the governor's mansion in 1950 and stuck in they're faces that they didn't beat him and they never could.
Let's say Brushy was lying...that would mean he was one of the greatest researchers and Billy the Kid historians EVER! Out of all the conflicting accounts, how did Brushy always know which version to go with? When one account says that when Tunstall was killed, Billy chased after some turkeys and another says Billy was yards behind Tunstall, when others went after the turkeys; so how did Brushy know which version was accurate? How did Brushy know Billy traded his tintype to a woman for a scarf? How did Brushy know Bell had two gashes on his head, matching his version of clubbing him with handcuffs? How did Brushy know who Billy was chained to, in the wagon after his capture? Not to mention he knew the exact layout of the Maxell house, Tunstall's residence and the Lincoln County Courthouse, during the 1800's. Don't forget this was all in the 1940's and 50's, with no internet to easily access all of this information... The law didn't give Billy a fair deal his entire life, and it didn't in his final days as well, 70 years later. RIP, Brushy Billy the Kid Roberts
I have garrets book. I NEVER BELIEVED HE KILLED THE KID. it was comm9n practice to photograph the despiratos. BUT not the kid? As for brushy, I ain't sure, yet... Great Basin Buckaroo.
I believe BTK is Brishy. I think you have the best BTK channel as well. Only criticism would be, using your own logic and sources; etc.. How can you use PG book on BTK as a credible source when it confirms Brushy's story, but discredit it when it deviates from his account or other sources? While the other sources do not line up with each other on a lot of facts either. Therefore, cannot discredit Garrett based on Brushy, and one or more sources agreeing with one another. Also a lot of the books came out after his account and therefor could agree with his account by fact of bias or hearing his testimony outright. Regardless his story rings true, it's overwhelming IMO. I only critique the above mentioned because as a supporter of your take, I want to close any contradictory arguments against this view in order to strengthen the position.
Thank you for such a thorough analysis, I've always been interested and even obsessed with stories of Billy the Kid, Wyatt Earp and other figures who walk the line between legend and history, fascinating stuff.
Thank you so much for your research on this incredible history of one of 5he most interesting outlaws of the late 1800's... Incredible research. And a question for you as you continue with your research..Are you going to continue with what took place after Billy's escape from jail, more specifically, what happened when pat garrett finally caught up with billy and the night that pat supposedly shot billy.??? I truly believe that billy survived that night.. would you please do an in depth research on that night..please .?
@@brushybret thanx so much Brett! I will be continually watching your research!! I am so intrigued with your research and so.muxh appreciate you...thanx again ...and please definitely do an indepth research on that night!!.
@@brushybretcan you let me know when you will be posting your research on the night that Billy the kid actually escaped from pat Garrett the night he was supposedly killed.. what actually happened that night and where Billy went after that incident...
There's actually no proof of that. In fact, the only mention of it is Walter Noble Burns' book, and most historians now believe that the interviews in his book are pure fabrications. This is discussed in Billy the Kid: His Life and Legend by Jon Tuska, Inventing Billy the Kid by Stephen Tatum, and Billy the Kid: A Bio-Bibliography by J.C. Dykes.
if you look at roberts photo with morrison and then the kids photo the left arm seems to match with thumb curved outward and also floppy ears.. if you could enlarge the photos that could show even more (nose eyelases ect.) thats all i got lol
After visiting Hico, tx I've been enamored with this subject, and your research is bar none the best I've come across. I kno I won't be wasting my time reading Walter noble burns saga book lol... and I will be ordering a copy of your book for sure.
This account doesn't mention how Brushy escaped the major problem of being chained to the floor....also many accounts claim Billy fired the second barrel at Olinger from the balcony - including one said to be from Brushy himself.
@@maryellenshock Coached by whom? A time traveler? Most of the sources that prove Roberts' statements to be true weren't published until after his death in 1950. I would love to hear how you explain this.
DNA Confirmed that Billy the Kid actually lived until he died of Natural Causes in his late 70's or early 80's. He made an effort to reveal the truth, but wasn't believed. He literally lived his life, God Bless him. That had to take some restraint for a young man with reasons to retaliate. Garrett must have made arrangements with Billy to make his story stick. He wasn't the turncoat everyone thought he was. DNA is a valuable tool to validate or invalidate a vast number of History subjects. Beth Bartlett Sociologist/Behavioralist and Historian
question is if bill roberts isnt billy the kid then who was his parents? who was his parents where was he from? cant tell me they csnt figure that outt.
Im pretty skeptical about Brushy Bill being The Kid. Seems A DNA comparison to the Kids Mother whom is buried in in Silver City New Mexico and Brushy Bill would prove or disprove his claims .
This was actually tried in the early 2000s by two Lincoln County Deputy Sheriffs, who actually opened a criminal investigation into Billy's escape from the Lincoln County Jail and his killing of Bell and Olinger. In doing so, they sought to establish the identity of the man shot by Garrett at Ft. Sumner in 1881. The plan was to exhume the body at Ft. Sumner, Catherine Antrim, William Roberts, and John Miller. Unfortunately, the powers that be in New Mexico fought this every step of the way by filing a series of lawsuits and legal motions that ultimately resulted in not only stopping their investigation, but led to their resignations. Thanks for watching.
@@brushybret i did a little reading up on it after i posted that comment. Apparently Hico Texas and The place in Arizona where another guy claimed to have been Billy the Kid opposed exhuming there bodies for DNA samples was because if proven they where not Billy then the Tourist dollars would stop coming in. Also read in the case of Brushy Bill Roberts.. The Roberts family Bible documents Brushy Bills birth date and it would place him as being way to young to be The Kid
I won't say on what subjects, but suffice to say I am a researcher myself. I know how hard it is to overturn the generally accepted narratives with historical events, I've been there, and I know how incredibly difficult it is. I absolutely appreciate the incredible work and research you've put into this. Wow... I think we all owe a collective apology to Mr. Brushy Roberts, and a huge thanks to you as well. -Twitchy
Thanks!
Brett, I’m always thrilled to see that you have posted another video… the story of Billy the Kid, comes to life.. as I listen… your work is much appreciated.
This series is excellent, I applaud your research. Thoroughly enjoying it.
I’m my opinion, this has got to be the BEST explanation I’ve heard on this subject. Thank you for posting this!!!
brett hall is very good, and if anyone wants to hear more on this subject, listen to alias billy the kid by daniel edwards. he is also very, very good. And, like brett, an HONEST man !! If he does not have proof, he will not say it !! Or at least tell you this is my opinion based on what he truly believes from what he has uncovered.
@@tomdolan2525 if I’m not mistaken, I believe I read that book.
@@donalddelatorre6049 alias is also on u-tube...very good listen
These 2 are my absolute favorite youtubers on any subject, not just Billy the kid. Like you said, it's their honesty and integrity that shines out from both of them. Rare to meet people that don't just skip the hard questions or try to twist narratives that supposedly tarnish their various claims. Instead both confront them head on time and again, going down to the smallest details of various events, pictures, details, reports, accounts, archives, etc to show time and again the facts that make the commonly held claims against brushy bill's authenticity are wrong for more than 1 reason each.
I believe if the case on his identity as Billy the kid were tried in open court, with these 2 guys as the defense team defending Robert's, or the prosecution team attacking the narrative that the kid died in 1881(depending on which way the case were tried), that any jury in America would conclude beyond a reasonable doubt that the immense circumstantial evidence, when taken as a whole, and with them cross examining anyone clinging to the "historical narrative", proves conclusively enough for any court of law, that Brushy bill and the kid were one and the same person. Case closed (sorry for the run on sentences😂).
11:07 Roberts description of John Jones being shot through in the back of the neck is entirely accurate yet seldom if ever mentioned in contemporary books
This series is brilliant! Thank you for your hard work.
I can only imagine the horror memories rushing Billy as he walked up those stairs. I sure as hell don't blame him not wanting to go there again.
he could only imagine too -
@@davidrice3337you will feel pretty foolish when you find out brushy really was the kid , you have no idea how much compelling evidence there is to support brushy .
Very thorough job, thank you very much. I sincerely believe that anyone who thinks brushy Bill wasn't Billy the kid has simply not done a thorough job researching.
Thanks for watching.
You know they did a DNA test? And I'm not so sure that it is him
@@Bigmikeobama2 No DNA test has ever been conducted on Roberts or the body in New Mexico. They tried to do this back in the early 2000s but were blocked by the courts in New Mexico.
I don't think a 90 year old man could remember all that in such vivid detail if he had not lived it. Brushy Bill was the Kid.
I agree, thanks for watching.
@L burnstein it actually hasn't. Which is the reason I started this series to go beyond the gossip and rumors and to look at the actual evidence.
It's very possible brushy could have been a kid in this area at the time of Bonnie's career as an outlaw. It seems like he's just a fan of the kid
@@brushybret thanks for the video tho I enjoyed it
@L burnstein Most of his family believe his claim. Only two vocal, claimed members of his family have come out against him. One was a very distant cousin who had never met him, and the other claims to be a niece. One problem with that is that according to Roberts' family Bible, he didn't have any nieces. Thanks for watching.
Having listened intently to the documentary the evidence is overwhelming to the true identity of the truly amazing character who it seems lived by a personal code of ethics suspect but honest in it's own way.
I live about 45 mins away from Lincoln county and ive been to the court house, it was actually pretty cool being in the sames place where the kid was and learning about his history and the Lincoln county war
Burns was a great fiction writer. 10 gauge dbl ought buckshot holds 18 pellets per shell not 9, 10 gauge single ought buckshot is 10-12 pellets depending on the shell length. Another win for Brushy Bill. I’m quite a bit younger than Brushy Bill. I’ve read things that I’ve read before over and over and I still don’t remember every detail, hence the need to re-read. No way he memorized books to give these details that line up with factual accounts to the extent that he did plus showing locations like the cave.
+1
The same people who say Brushy Billy did read, study and memorize all those books and articles about Billy the Kid's life also say Brushy was illiterate! I guess, if someone sides with 'The House' against Billy and Reality, they own the privilege to tell all the lies, fabrications and hypocrisies... as if they're simply reciting official records.
@@ccrider3435well said
@@ccrider3435 right? Like if you say it happened a certain way because a known liar and charlatan Said so in his "nonfiction" biography, and another account also known to be full of inaccuracies are the 2 main titles used as the official narrative: and then you are countered by several modern updated books and cites providing a mountain of evidence to prove claims that it didn't happen the way the narrative states...why is it just shrugged off by people?
Thank you your excellent research, hard work, and dedication to getting the truth told.
@@jamesballard1170 I already did a video debunking the claim that Brushy Bill was really Oliver P. Roberts, born in 1879 using census, employment, and genealogical records. There is a lot of bad information being circulated online by those that seek to discredit Roberts. However, if one were to fact-check their claims they would learn that they are completely unfounded, unsourced, and not based on facts or evidence. That is why I created this series and why I not only quote directly from the source but show it on the screen as well. Why can't those that seek to discredit Roberts do the same? Here is a link to the video th-cam.com/video/EK9oRxqmee0/w-d-xo.html
Mr Hall, you are to be commended for your extraordinary perseverance in presenting the facts regarding Billy the Kid. There is a TH-cam channel titled all things Billy the Kid which simply presents the mainstream narrative, declaring Brushy Bill Roberts to be a liar. What stands out most to me is the fact that Roberts did not seek out recognition. If William Morris had not sought out Mr. Roberts, he would have never disclosed the information he had. And his descriptions, which were contrary to period pieces written about The Kid, yet, in the end, proved to be more accurate, is the closer. If Brushy Bill was not The Kid? Then someone needs to find an active participant in the Lincoln County war, who was close enough to Billy that they witnessed all those events in real time, but has been overlooked by everyone who has studied those events. No one can know for certain. However, based upon the facts as presented in these videos, it is my belief that Brushy Bill Roberts was, in fact, William H Bonney, AKA Billy the Kid. I always had a problem with Pat Garrett's account of killing The Kid. Billy demonstrated a unique capacity for survival, even in the most unlikely circumstances. To me, the thought that he would inepty stumble into a room with the man hunting him down is such a ridiculous fiction, that it warrants no serious consideration.
Thanks for watching.
I have a lot of Tin- pictures from the 1800s are there any pictures of Billy the Kid when he was say 10-12 years old and any picture's of Bushy Bill Roberts around the same age to compare looks..I know back then pictures were very scarce the pictures I have from like 1880- 1900-1910-My grandfather WW-1 two of them are postcards on the back the other one is just a regular pictures dated 1918..On the front on the lower right-hand corner it is embossed with the photographer's name..When they said the Kid was dead I believe they had a small marker where he's buried and then once they had that big flood nobody had a clue how they could find the body and who's in that pine-box..⚰🤠
@melbourne-heat.69-71 they have like a school picture of billy the kid at the billy the kid museum in Fort sumner, he looked like he might have been around 11 or 12...
@@brushybretwhat is your take on the Silver City image that alleges to be BTK that was found in Canada?
@@darronfranta2525Have you seen the documentary about it on Amazon Prime? Seems pretty conclusive that Brushy was The Kid!
No one put Billy would know this facts period
You can't convince me that Brushy Bill was not Billy the Kid.
Brett Hall, and also Daniel Edwards(alias billy the kid channel), are my absolute favorite youtubers on any subject, not just Billy the kid. Like you said, it's their honesty and integrity that shines out from both of them. Rare to meet people that don't just skip the hard questions or try to twist narratives that supposedly tarnish their various claims. Instead both confront them head on time and again, going down to the smallest details of various events, pictures, details, reports, accounts, archives, etc to show time and again the facts that make the commonly held claims against brushy bill's authenticity are wrong for more than 1 reason each.
I believe if the case on his identity as Billy the kid were tried in open court, with these 2 guys as the defense team defending Robert's, or the prosecution team attacking the narrative that the kid died in 1881(depending on which way the case were tried), that any jury in America would conclude beyond a reasonable doubt that the immense circumstantial evidence, when taken as a whole, and with them cross examining anyone clinging to the "historical narrative", proves conclusively enough for any court of law, that Brushy bill and the kid were one and the same person. Case closed (sorry for the run on sentences😂).
If they ever teamed up to do a documentary or anything else it would completely change the landscape on this topic. Really amazing researchers, presenters, and fantastic all around journalists/youtubers. All the respect in the world for these two and i wish like hell everyone else on all other contentious historical topics took their approach and their integrity to model after. Could do alot worse.
Thanks!
There's more proof that Brushy Bill was The Kid, than proof he was not. Brushy Bill knew the smallest details of factual events that only a person who'd lived them himself could have recalled.
100% agree
Brushy was Billy. Garrett sold out!
Brett, I've enjoyed all your videos on Billy the kid and Bob Robert's.
Looking forward to the next ones.
IM VERY MUCH OBLIGED FOR YOUR TIME AND KINDNESS FOR PUTTING THIS TRUTH TOGETHER BRUSHY BILL AKA BILLY THE KID DESERVES FOR THIS TO BE HEARD ~ BLESSINGS 🙌 TO YOU AND YOURS MR HALL~ SINCERELY JONESY OF RUIDOSO NM AND JENKS OKLAHOMA ~
Thanks!
Brett, it's just hard to listen to the aka, "historians" who don't do their research like you do. It seems they just want to support what the dime novels stated or tall tales by those seeking fame.
Your Brushy series has me sitting on the edge of my seat waiting on the next video!
The bottom line for me is If Brushy Bill wasn’t Billy, who the hell was he???
Wild West Extra did a whole episode on Roberts, his real name, birth place, parents etc. he grew up on a farm in Texas and was a small child when Billy died.
@@caleb1rshelton Did he actually show you these documents that support his statements, or did he just parrot the same old unsourced bs? I already published a video debunking the 1879 birth claim using census, employment, and genealogical records and unlike the those that seek to discredit Roberts I show you the documents and sources on the screen as I'm citing them. th-cam.com/video/EK9oRxqmee0/w-d-xo.html
I think brushy was billy Wilson who did resemble the kid and once bonny was killed he simply tried to take his place I truly belive this
But man Brett's research the more I go thru it it does have me questioning things but as of now I belive after 30+ years of research the kid was killed in Sumner and billy Wilson started his claim as brushy aka billy the kid
@@caleb1rsheltonfalse. They did one on one of the identity he used, not on Brushy himself.
Sir..incredible body of work.
The time and energy you must have devoted to your research and the sheer quality of your research is beyond my comprehension.
My only regret in listening and watching your completely captivating body of work, is that those who publish similar genres do not put a fraction of your effort into their endeavors.
I tip my hat to you Sir.
You have reset the bar for those who follow in your shadow.
Excellent and enjoyable to the last spoken word.
i just found your channel , been enjoying your vids immensely , well you've convinced me ,specially with the facial recognition and features ,all the old knife and bullet wounds in the correct places , i mean how many pranksters were runnin around getting shot and stabbed in the right places to think to themselves "yeah i think i'll pretend to be Billy the kid" , too many accurate recollections that some guy would have to make it his life's mission to try to weave together and collect from a hundred different locations and people that confirm his versions of what happened , not like the fantasy versions that don't hold water from the historian eggspurts , i was in the court house in 1994 , thinking of the stairs , if Bell was bolting down he would be exposing his left side for the shot to enter and leave his right side as the dogleg in the stairs i thought turned left towards the bottom , Garrett says the wound in the opposite way doesn't he, i know most of the time he lied though , but i found that a bit odd , in comments there's a few that don't watch the video's properly or maybe don't rewind to re listen , apart from the surviving mansions in the south my three favourite places to walk and soak up the atmosphere and feel the air are Deadwood , Tombstone's Birdcage and Lincoln , thanks for sharing , cheers big ears from down under
Awesome comment! Thanks for watching.
@@brushybret
Excellent Narration. Are you aware of the following:
🔹DNA Confirmed that Billy the Kid actually lived until he died of Natural Causes in his late 70's or early 80's.
He made an effort to reveal the truth, but wasn't believed.
He literally lived his life, God Bless him. That had to take some restraint for a young man with reasons to retaliate.
Garrett must have made arrangements with Billy to make his story stick.
He wasn't the turncoat everyone thought he was.
DNA is a valuable tool to validate or invalidate a vast number of History subjects.
Beth Bartlett
Sociologist/Behavioralist
and Historian
They haven't been able to exhume brushy bill to retrieve DNA though
You would be surprised what some elderly people remember. A lot of people have total recall. Remarkable!
Great job it shouldn't surprise anyone that this could be the way it was .
Just finished this 4-part series. I liked it a lot. The only problem I have with it is that it is over.
I think he was Billy… had too much info… no one could know all those details unless they were there…
The new documentary called The Silver City photo has some solid investigative facts. It’s narrated by Emilio Estevez.
Enjoy your channel. Thanks
I dont know how i just found this but its fantastic!! I can't wait to see the other parts now. I did a reset years ago on hico and it was the first time id heard of brushy bill. Its a fascinating story. Personally from all the things ive seen and read, i believe he was the kid
❤,,
I have heard pretty much all of these but never in a line, good job Mr
I used to study billy quite a lot, thought I knew my stuff and never believed brushy. However after some podcasts and these videos… I’ve begun to wonder. The night he was supposedly killed, why did he go in a room of English speakers and speak Spanish? I understand pete was Hispanic, but he told pat in English “that’s him” so why did billy reply to that in Spanish? Secondly, at 90 this man had a very vivid memory, makes you think there’s some truth. Along with friends verifying him… I think there’s a good shot he either was billy, or was his best buddy through it all… funny that the jail records don’t recount a buddy being arrested with him.
Absolutely riveting video and comments on this one. Thanks for the great research.
I fell into this rabbit hole a few days ago and have been chasing the tunnels since… the more I see and hear, the more I’m convinced that Brushy Bill was Billy the kid. it seems that there is so much proof that he was and so many counter dictions to the “official narrative” that a rational person would have to believe that Brushy Bill is truly Billy the kid… and his story only gets better the more you read, watch and hear.
I love your videos. I am 97% convinced he was Billy but one part is missing for me to push me the rest of the way. I need the final nail in the coffin- I gotta know his version of the events of the night he was supposedly shot and killed. I need the details. That will convince me. His details over his escape make sooo much sense. 100% believable.
I'll be covering the shooting in the next chapter of the series. Thanks for watching.
@@brushybret when can we expect to see that video? Love your work. Keep it up. Channel is the best source and makes the best argument for why he was Billy.
The fact no one took a pic of his body ...fact
@@MusicmyZombiethat’s what I’m always saying! Someone told me that cameras weren’t that common back in those days and that the nearest one could’ve been on the other side of the New Mexico territory and could’ve taken days or even weeks to get one which makes sense, but still, the most famous outlaw in New Mexico was supposedly laid out dead and they didn’t get absolutely any proof that it was him! Pics or it didn’t happen! 💯😅
I really hope you watched his next video, about what happened in Fort Sumner!
Yet again Brushy's version matches up with the witnesses versions and the evidence.
About a year ago I was on the fence about Brushy, but after learning about his story and rewatching all of Brett's and other's videos, I am 100% convinced that Brushy was telling the truth
Great information Brett! I loved the story of Brushy going back to the crime scene. The story comes alive with him telling us just how it happened!
Also, very detailed information about Ollinger and Bell. I've never heard all the specifics you gave about Bell's pistol. Totally makes sense about Billy packing off Bell's pistol as he made his famous escape. Once again, thank you for sharing and I look forward to the next time you make another video. Have a great day!
Bobby
Look at the tin type photos and any other of Billy then look at the pictures of him old he literally carries himself the same way as the tin type and even facial recognition that’s been done say it’s him.
Please continue with the research especially what happens after billy escapes the jail and the night that billy was supposedly shot by pat.... I truly believe billy escaped .. and who was the man that pat Garrett so quickly buried... Thanx fir your awesome research!!
Man talk about doing a 180 on content lol!! Keep doing g what you are doing brother you have a great voice for the videos you are creating. Also, you do a great job pointing out all the facts in the cases. You are on to something here....keep up the great work. I look forward to more videos
Its not odd he couldnt retrace his steps. With the exception of rocks or mountains everything would have changed
No, no. The use of "dinner" is widely used in the New Mexico, Pan Handle of Texas terminology as Lunch. Thus the confusion of time. Dinner means lunch!
My grandfather out here in AZ used “dinner” for lunch as well. Always confused the hell out of 5 year old me. He was born in ‘29.
Thanks Brett for your true diligence! You are much appreciated!
AWESOME Job!!
Ola everhard cousin of Jessie James said brushy was billy they both faked there deaths she was to detailed with every aspect of everything at her age
I think all of this could be really authentic. Did you know that Billy the Kid-William Bonney was a second cousin to Jesse James.
I love this ...however I can't remember my life in that detail or people's names that passed through good for him and us if his memory is that sharp
The kid was a Coy dog he stayed in the territory great work thank you. I believe he was the Kid why would he say this ? Great book thank you
Very well done love it! I wonder if there are any accounts from the prisoners that day?
Brushy had all the known wounds of the Kid. That says a bit....
@5:27 the story is "miss spoken". He is describing the people as if he is Billy then he says "Olinger isn't nothin to him". I'm guessing he means nothing to Billy.
He was talking about J.W. Bell.
oh. Thank you. That makes good sense.@@brushybret
Awesome Brother!
As always Brett... Brilliant job!
Thanks again!
My mom knew brushy bill became friends in hico tx. She really believe he was billy the kid
Excellent content. Great stuff.
Brushy story matches the evidence that sederwall and dr Lee and the sheriff's found at the courthouse , his account is correct and Garretts was wrong
I wanted billy the kid to have escaped listening to him I think he did
I pray to God Brushy was the Kid. I believe he was.
Not only was brushy the kid , everything he said he did was true and he also did many more things he didn't talk about trying to get that pardon Wallace promised him . Brushy wasn't as upset about not getting the pardon from mabry as Morrison because showing up for that pardon was enough for him to make the point , they didn't get ole billy no sir , stood at the governor's mansion in 1950 and stuck in they're faces that they didn't beat him and they never could.
I think he was not lied about this
Ya know who would be a great interview/guest on an episode…? John Fusco who wrote young guns 1 & 2
Miller may have been Barlow , maybe
love your work
thank you
Let's say Brushy was lying...that would mean he was one of the greatest researchers and Billy the Kid historians EVER! Out of all the conflicting accounts, how did Brushy always know which version to go with? When one account says that when Tunstall was killed, Billy chased after some turkeys and another says Billy was yards behind Tunstall, when others went after the turkeys; so how did Brushy know which version was accurate?
How did Brushy know Billy traded his tintype to a woman for a scarf?
How did Brushy know Bell had two gashes on his head, matching his version of clubbing him with handcuffs?
How did Brushy know who Billy was chained to, in the wagon after his capture?
Not to mention he knew the exact layout of the Maxell house, Tunstall's residence and the Lincoln County Courthouse, during the 1800's. Don't forget this was all in the 1940's and 50's, with no internet to easily access all of this information...
The law didn't give Billy a fair deal his entire life, and it didn't in his final days as well, 70 years later. RIP, Brushy Billy the Kid Roberts
I completely agree, and is the primary reason I believe the evidence in favor of him being the Kid far outweighs the evidence against.
I pray that someday as I pass from this life,, that God reveals all things like mystery to me,, i love this kinda history
I think Billy the kids death was a cover up to give him a peaceful life bushy bill Robert's is the kid
Absolutely riveting.
I have garrets book.
I NEVER BELIEVED HE KILLED THE KID.
it was comm9n practice to photograph the despiratos.
BUT not the kid?
As for brushy, I ain't sure, yet...
Great Basin Buckaroo.
Thanks for watching.
Yes I believe You’re correct. Common Sense!
I believe BTK is Brishy. I think you have the best BTK channel as well. Only criticism would be, using your own logic and sources; etc..
How can you use PG book on BTK as a credible source when it confirms Brushy's story, but discredit it when it deviates from his account or other sources?
While the other sources do not line up with each other on a lot of facts either. Therefore, cannot discredit Garrett based on Brushy, and one or more sources agreeing with one another. Also a lot of the books came out after his account and therefor could agree with his account by fact of bias or hearing his testimony outright.
Regardless his story rings true, it's overwhelming IMO. I only critique the above mentioned because as a supporter of your take, I want to close any contradictory arguments against this view in order to strengthen the position.
Well done
Thank you for such a thorough analysis, I've always been interested and even obsessed with stories of Billy the Kid, Wyatt Earp and other figures who walk the line between legend and history, fascinating stuff.
Do not understate some one’s memory. That is the height of conceit. How insulting.
Much appreciate all the due diligence you are doing👍, thank you Brett.
Great job and great voice sounds to me like the kid .
Thank you so much for your research on this incredible history of one of 5he most interesting outlaws of the late 1800's... Incredible research. And a question for you as you continue with your research..Are you going to continue with what took place after Billy's escape from jail, more specifically, what happened when pat garrett finally caught up with billy and the night that pat supposedly shot billy.??? I truly believe that billy survived that night.. would you please do an in depth research on that night..please .?
That's coming. Thank you for watching.
@@brushybret thanx so much Brett! I will be continually watching your research!! I am so intrigued with your research and so.muxh appreciate you...thanx again
...and please definitely do an indepth research on that night!!.
@@brushybret thank you so much. And let us know when that episode is posted... Thanx again for your research
@@brushybretcan you let me know when you will be posting your research on the night that Billy the kid actually escaped from pat Garrett the night he was supposedly killed.. what actually happened that night and where Billy went after that incident...
@@jacksuiter3782 I'm working on that episode now and hope to have it up soon. Thanks for watching.
Any way that's how I see it , like it or not , I believe it to be the truth.
Paulita Maxwell used to visit Billy's grave. Why?
There's actually no proof of that. In fact, the only mention of it is Walter Noble Burns' book, and most historians now believe that the interviews in his book are pure fabrications. This is discussed in Billy the Kid: His Life and Legend by Jon Tuska, Inventing Billy the Kid by Stephen Tatum, and Billy the Kid: A Bio-Bibliography by J.C. Dykes.
Deluvina frequently visited Billy's grave for as long as she lived nearby but soon after 1881 the cemetery became derelict and the town abandoned.
Hiya brett,,,have you heard of or seen Daniel A Edwards on youtube or his book about billy/brushy bill?
Yes, I'm familiar with his book and I discuss / review it in this video: th-cam.com/video/d1j8cM1bgwQ/w-d-xo.html
if you look at roberts photo with morrison and then the kids photo the left arm seems to match with thumb curved outward and also floppy ears.. if you could enlarge the photos that could show even more (nose eyelases ect.) thats all i got lol
Spot on
If Jesse James can fake his own death I would safely assume Billy the kid could too.
Which episode do you cover the Kids fiened death?
I'm working on it now. Thanks for watching.
@@brushybretlook forward to it brett, your doing a great job
I've been looking forward to this episode
Thanks for watching.
The mc sween widows lawyer and the widow recided in white oaks I heard .
You are the man Brett!
@@timothythomas5814 Thanks!
After visiting Hico, tx I've been enamored with this subject, and your research is bar none the best I've come across. I kno I won't be wasting my time reading Walter noble burns saga book lol... and I will be ordering a copy of your book for sure.
Has anyone watched the new Billy The Kid series
Yeah it’s been kinda trash
Great work mate i love it😊
Thanks!
This account doesn't mention how Brushy escaped the major problem of being chained to the floor....also many accounts claim Billy fired the second barrel at Olinger from the balcony - including one said to be from Brushy himself.
FASCINATING STORY,, BUSHY BILL, SEEMS TO KNOW A LOT OF DETAIL OF ALL ACCOUNTS, BILLY'S LIFE,, IT POINTS TO BUSHY,
Coached
@@maryellenshock Coached by whom? A time traveler? Most of the sources that prove Roberts' statements to be true weren't published until after his death in 1950. I would love to hear how you explain this.
You certainly are, Mary.....
Kinda like Butch Cassidy and Sundance if you believe they didn't die in south America. But It does sound like Bushy bill Roberts was Billy the kid.
I wonder if Brushy Bills body could be exhumed and the bullet in his leg be removed and analyzed to provide some information as to his real identity?
They have tried but the court won't allow it
The gun in the fork of the tree...
I Wonder where that tree was🤔..
I Wonder what a search would find where the tree was at..
Hmm..
Treasure hunt 🤣
You've really done some outstanding research here. Well done !! 👏
Thank you so much 😀
I hope you have a beautiful day sweetheart
Brushy was Billy the Kid!
Brushy bill.was billy the kid.
DNA Confirmed that Billy the Kid actually lived until he died of Natural Causes in his late 70's or early 80's.
He made an effort to reveal the truth, but wasn't believed.
He literally lived his life, God Bless him. That had to take some restraint for a young man with reasons to retaliate.
Garrett must have made arrangements with Billy to make his story stick.
He wasn't the turncoat everyone thought he was.
DNA is a valuable tool to validate or invalidate a vast number of History subjects.
Beth Bartlett
Sociologist/Behavioralist
and Historian
Great news
question is if bill roberts isnt billy the kid then who was his parents? who was his parents where was he from? cant tell me they csnt figure that outt.
Thanks Brett.
Im pretty skeptical about Brushy Bill being The Kid.
Seems A DNA comparison to the Kids Mother whom is buried in in Silver City New Mexico and Brushy Bill would prove or disprove his claims .
This was actually tried in the early 2000s by two Lincoln County Deputy Sheriffs, who actually opened a criminal investigation into Billy's escape from the Lincoln County Jail and his killing of Bell and Olinger. In doing so, they sought to establish the identity of the man shot by Garrett at Ft. Sumner in 1881. The plan was to exhume the body at Ft. Sumner, Catherine Antrim, William Roberts, and John Miller. Unfortunately, the powers that be in New Mexico fought this every step of the way by filing a series of lawsuits and legal motions that ultimately resulted in not only stopping their investigation, but led to their resignations. Thanks for watching.
@@brushybret i did a little reading up on it after i posted that comment.
Apparently Hico Texas and The place in Arizona where another guy claimed to have been Billy the Kid opposed exhuming there bodies for DNA samples was because if proven they where not Billy then the Tourist dollars would stop coming in.
Also read in the case of Brushy Bill Roberts..
The Roberts family Bible documents Brushy Bills birth date and it would place him as being way to young to be The Kid
They were probably forced to resign. NM probably ,afraid they would lose commission from no one going to visit his grave, perhaps.