So excited to see a new video was uploaded today! 🍿 I love how detailed your videos on Brushy’s life are. You do such a factual deep dive on the details. And I also love how you address the oft repeated misinformation about Brushy that is taken at face value and never researched. 👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼
Nobody in the establishment wants people to think a selfless vigilante outlaw can ride off into the sunset and escape the noose or the bullet even if they themselves believe it. It happens it's rare but I have seen it happen in the modern world to friend of mine who died in a hospital bed instead of a cage.
Now they are saying he got all of it out of some movie in the 40s. I wish he would have said it in front of his wife.He was no worse than anyone else when the sheriff is 9n your enemy side and the gun down a good friend tunstall no worse than anyone else. Also 6 or 8 0eople were shooting at Brady and deputies. Billy hated Mathews and would have shit him. No one knows who killed Brady although Billy answered for it
If brushy bill sought fame and fortune then I could see how he could be seen as a possible conman but, he didn't do any of that, he was sought, and all his accounts prove to be accurate.... so if he wasn't Billy he was witness to some amazing events!!! He contradicts known historical supposed facts of the time, only to be proven correct in time... For me that would be more than sufficient to stand up in court!!!
@melissastansbury8343 0 seconds ago I got it. He actually WAS Billy the Kid!! Look at the "bump" on the left of the nose between the eyes. They match. Older BUT match.
What a great video. Nice that someone finally gives Brushy Bill Robert's (the kid) hisbdue for being honest. He had a tough life for sure. Goes to show corruption and political evil was as it is now not much change absolute power corrupts absolutely!!
My 2nd great grandmother was Odilia Maxwell, who was Pete Maxwells little sister. She was about 14-15 when Billy the kid was supposedly shot. It was not him. Brushy Bill Robert’s was Billy the kid!!
@@awakeningfaith2290 yes, the man killed wasn’t Billy the Kid. The community of Fort Sumner loved him. He did get into a shootout with Pat Garret and deputy’s and was struck in the hip but managed to escape and live on
@@jimmiethomas7194 Do you believe that Paulita had Billy's child? Her son was born 6 months after her marriage which happened right after the shooting with legend being that Pete knew she was pregnant which is why he told Garrett that Billy was there. Also I've seen a picture and he looks like the spitting image of Billy in the Tin Type. Did your family pass on any legends about the issue?
I am a living descendant of Mr. Roberts. Mr. Roberts was my grandmother's Great Uncle. My grandmother is still living today at 90 years of age, making her the oldest living descendant of Mr. Roberts. Some people in my family believe he was in fact Billy the Kid and others believe he was just a conman. I am still undecided. I don't know much about the Roberts family, or Mr. Roberts. I am still learning. Thank you for sharing this video!
What about the DNA test? I'm asking you because you are a descendant so in case you have some insight we don't as to how it could be disputed. The videos are good but the DNA test never gets addressed. The ear measurements are never addressed either, none of the science is it seems. I remember wanting Bill to be him and being completely deflated when the DNA came back and my rational mind just couldn't find a way to dispute it.
Brushy bills autopsy showed that he had something like 100 bullet and knife wounds on his body. He probably was the kid. Historians would never admit they were wrong.
@@jackd6148 not trying to get into a difficulty here, but, as a person having 7 knife scars (and I dont mean small ones) and having been shot at (but never hit) 3 times, 100 times is alot. I know 4 people personally that's been shot. One of them 5 times in 3 separate altercations. Not calling you out. I realize your repeating what you've heard/read. I really dont think people realize how traumatic being shot is. Or even shot at is. Being knifed is a crazy feeling. Rather giving or receiving. I got butterflies right now. Even 50 of either or mixed is a butt load. Just saying.
Something to keep in mind when regarding Mr Roberts storyline. In the timeframe of these pioneers, it was virtually impossible to substantiate anyones story and you truly had to take people at their word until Time or Facts caught up with them to suss out their Lies. from the Truth. Given that reality MANY men inflated their backgrounds, invented their backgrounds or OUTRIGHT LIED about their backgrounds. People STILL do it all the time even today. I believe he lied and it would be literally impossible to prove or disprove given the fact that no one knew what Billy Looked like so they didn’t know any better anyway until it was too late. Also, it was a great “con” because even IF the caught him as Billy the Kid he could then come clean and say “No No you have wrong man, my name is Mr Roberts”
This video is a great example how u do research by correlating what Brushy Bill Roberts said among the other books written about Billy The Kid or the Lincoln County War. Robert's was 100% Billy The Kid !!! Great job Brett Hall !!! Ur the MAN 💯‼️
I agree a 100%, that is one thing I hate about so-called debunker's, because if you take a position as a debunker, you're not taking a position as an objective investigator. This is the problem I have with the UFO topic, it's a very huge massive complex topic spanning over 80 year's, and if you really dive deep into it, there's a lot of compelling evidence, and yet self-proclaimed debunkers love to cherry pick and ignore one thing while addressing another, or they switch it around. They play a game of moving the goal Posts. If you prove one thing wrong or point something out that is a fallacy on their end, they simply pivot and jump to something else.. For decades, they said the very concept of ufos for example was nonsense, then several years ago the government officially makes a statement that they are in fact real and penetrate US airspace, and now they pivot and immediately start making other objections when they said the very fact they exist in the first place was nonsense and conveniently ignore that the US government admitted it, something the government proclaimed was an illusion and didn't exist for decades.... Whether it's this topic, history, take your pic. the mentality of debunkers is inherently flawed and it's absurd.
when you really get into what Brushy said, you realize he was the kid. What he said about the killing of James Carlyle is absolute proof. Exact same story is in Billie's letter to Gov Wallace. Almost word for word.
@@Bumper776but was his letter public record before being cited? Serious question, here. Like was it published in the paper of record, for example. Something that could have been easily obtained?
Man I remember when I was a kid hearing how Brushy Bill wasn’t actually The Kid. It really does sound like he was. It only makes sense why officially would love to the keep the lore and “official” story as true because that’s just the way the world works it seems the older you get. It’s pretty cool and compelling stuff
Great work. I have followed this rabbit whole of Bushy Bill Robert's for 30 years and you have done a beautiful job at compiling the information needed to discern a logical conclusion. What a great research and investment.
If Bushy Bill wasn’t Billy the Kid then it looks as though he was the most knowledgeable man alive of the Kid’s history... He had to have been! If he wasn’t then he should have been.... Thank you so so much for all your hard work my eyes have been opened!
You know what your better than you think you are because after i watched all things billy the kid and the wild west extravaganza they are amateurs that dont really do theyre research and you have been on the right track you did the research and you go to in depth levels that frankly puts those others to shame you are like billy the kid an autobiography you guys deserve much respect for your hard work and determination to get the facts right.
While I’m no expert and just a fan I always felt that Billy The Kid had a split between being caught up in corruption and power hungry folks and he just fought back and was fortunate and quick with a gun then again I always felt like they portrayed him to list for fame and to be known. Idk what the truth is but it’s always interesting to hear stories like these
I want to believe in my heart that Roberts was Billy the Kid. I so hope it is true. That means, Billy got to live a full life after the Lincoln Co. War.
@@susanmccormick6022 Maybe it was a set up. I thought I saw somewhere that a few people around that day said it wasnt the kid that Garrett killed. I think Garrett passed it off as the kid to then promote his book after. I think maybe he let him go. I dont know. I just want it to be that way. I like the Roberts theory.
A reporter from back east came to Fort Sumner in search of a story about The Wild West. He arrived just before Pat Garrett supposedly killed Billy. The reporter disappeared the next day and was never heard from again... Locals in Fort Sumner relayed that story to me 50 years ago. That had been passed down by their older relatives. They knew the truth. The "grave" is not his real grave. Ask about a flood that flooded the cemetery and disturbed many coffins. A lot of coffins had to be re-buried, with no idea of was actually in the coffins. So they just guessed and redid the grave markers.
@josephkeny garret was already catching flack for wrongly killing 2 other men mistaken as Billy....this one had to be him even if it wasn't.....that's why the burial was so quick ....a deputy also said " that's the wrong man" when they walked into the room . Billy made it out of there and I belive pat helped him
This is such a great video! I’m from England but I am obsessed with American outlaw history. Looking forward to watching more! I believe Bill Roberts was the kid No one make this up and can go into that much accurate detail.
Ola Everhard was very precise when she talked about Billy being Brushy Roberts. The facts she brought up along with Brett's facts totally convinced me he was factually Billy the Kid. That woman was a walking encyclopedia on factual events regarding Billy, I have watched that video done with her three times, and I know Brett did also. Great job Brett, and just an FYI... The local govts and fed govt have always lied and bent truths especially when it comes to their "facts". It's always about the money and rarely about real facts. Love to sit and have a lunch with you Brett, you are an excellent source of facts on Billy.
@@unclefido6484 We are kind of witnessing the corruption of the govt right now, just as Billy did when he was wrongly accused of crimes he did not commit. Look at what Pres Trump is going through, corrupt govt corrupt DA corrupt politicians. Just as Billy ran up against. And all Billy wanted was the pardon he rightfully deserved yet never got. Money was the reason because states stood to make more money by pushing their lies of Billys death by Garrett when factually Billy did NOT die that night as Brett so factually points out. Money is the root of all thats evil.
What kind of person old in age wants to lie about his life and be remembered for somebody he wasn’t? It makes no sense. It’s more likely he was the kid and he had nothing left to fear since he was an old man close to death. Seems like a last will and testament to me.
I mean yeah, but how many deathbed confessions over the years have been confessions of “I killed Jimmy Hoffa” for example. I mean these are worlds apart, but it could be the same thing as “I wanna be remembered for something” so they go for one of the great mysteries/controversies of their time… I’m not necessarily of this mindset, I don’t have a pony in this either way, but I am playing devil’s advocate on the argument.
I always told everyone you were the best, Brett. It’s good to see you back in action. If you remember I had your book before you ever knew it was for sale. I had the yellow cover book.
I just came across your channel; interesting presentation. I heard about this back in 1981, from a true historian, and conspiracy revealer, Ralph Epperson. Ralph, spent his lifetime researching, uncovering, and exposing the deceptions perpetrated throughout US history. He published his own books, and made his living giving lectures wherever he was welcome. I trust Ralph's work, completely. I don't know if he ever wrote a book on Billy, last I saw him, was in 2004 or 05, but he certainly had a lot of the same details you present here. I'm going to watch your other videos, and see if I can order your book. Thank you for producing this; the controversy of Billy The Kid, I imagine, will live on forever. The real question is, why has the gov, refused to allow any testing to be done on the contents of the supposed grave of Billy? Of course, it's too late now, because the bones were washed away in a flood, but what about tracing family DNA? Well, my thought is that there are too many people who still profit in one way or another, off of Billy's story.
It looks like you have proven again that Brushy is Billy. I have always disputed the neigh-sayers and stuck to my guns. The problem now is that Lincoln County and Hico, Texas, both claim to have the grave of Billy. I'm sure that they love the publicity, but only is the real grave. I would love to see Billy get the pardon he was promised, so he can rest in peace! Thank you, Mr. Hall, for proving that Brushy was Billy!!!
Evil will always try to make the good guy look like the bad guy in order to cover their ass.... In my opinion Billy was just a victim of this And I deeply respect him for having the strength to stand up for what he believed in. Glad to see the truth is finally coming out. It's just too bad It happened so late..... Long after his death.
In 1879 my great uncle, part Native American Apache, Cherokee, and Basque, became very close to Billy and he and his girl, a pretty Mexican/Indian, who was an awesome cook, was told by our great uncle to stay away from the Territory, because the Murphy boys and "that fool sheriff, Pat Garrett" were following the wrong Billy The Kid. They were following a friend, follower, and look alike of Billy, they were watching, like the idiots they were. Pat Garrett was so frightened of Billy, that he had no problem burying the wrong body, and claiming it to be Billy's. Billy let it be know that he was going to possibly kill Pat Garret, and his buddies, for shooting a good friend, who was like a look-alike brother of Billy's, but Old man Maxwell, and his daughter talked Billy out of it. Billy and a few friends headed South where they had a stronghold at a small, but well armed town, that loved Billy, and would have taken up arms to protect him. Billy fled for the mountains, got married, and became a town Marshall, farmer, and would hang with his old friends once in a while, but eventually legally changed his name to Bill Roberts, later to be named Brushy Bill. Hildago said that Billy went with him to the Middle East, where they made lots of money off their famous horse race. Also, Billy, not Hildago raced a Mustang horse in a huge dessert race, and won!!! When Brushy Bill came back, he still had all the same scars Billy the Kid had, and the same smile, and voice. That's what is in our Family History, with old photos, that our grandpa would not sell. Billy was very Religious, and was a good and loyal husband, father, and grandfather.
@@jonathanlawson4667 he was held with Pat Garrett for sometime in the Lincoln county court and was documented that they extensively spoke and on April 28th 1881 made his escape killing J.W Bell and Bob Olinger when Pat Garrett had left to collect taxes’s so he knew Billy.. I totally agree with you on that basis
@@jonathanlawson4667 and who has a great uncle that was around in 1879, it would be well further back in a family tree line than great uncle in this day and age🤦♂️
@@jonathanlawson4667 yeah It’s one of my pet hates really, I don’t have a clue why this guy has made something up in the comments but when channels get high views on disingenuous information and presumably making money from it is wrong in my eyes and it’s happening across many topics
That's a good story Joseph. I have no doubt that you were told this by family. Alot of old tales are told over and over again. Being embellished everytime told. We have them about my grandfather and great grandfather who were supposed to be indian. Supposedly my great grandfather made his living with a gun. I've come to believe it's all bullsh!t. Along with a whole bunch of other tales. I do believe they were bot very mean and bad men. I've found proof of that. But not all the other stuff. Anyway dont let others crap on your stuff. Even billy the kid knew other people than just the names given here. You could have the timeline wrong or other things. After all the story has been told for more than a century! Share it with your kids it's a good story but let them know how old the story is and that people could have added or forgot parts. I live in the area around the country where the Taylor/ Sutton feud accured. I've also been to the town and cemetery where the Dailyville massacre occurred. I live literally 20 miles from the place and was friends with the old man that owned the property the cemetery was on. More people died in the Sutton/Taylor feud the Hatfields and McCoys. Also more people died in the Dailyville massacre and it was worse than the OK corral. We dont pick the written history. Educated people pick what they want you to know. Look up Helena Texas. That town was hell on earth. I live 12 miles from it.
21:36 There's also something worth noting in this confusion. I met a student in college who was from Ireland. He said one of the peculiar thing about the U.S. is the use of "Mc" and "O'" prefixes before the surnames here. He said they don't really use that in Ireland (especially for women!). He said that one of them means "son of" and the other "grand son of". So it really cracked him up when some girl was named "Molly O'brien" or something (Molly GrandSON of Brien?). When or why this convention was changed, or how it was used differently over the years, might be the source of the confusion.
As a journalist I am trained to seek out reliable sources to verify the facts of my news reports. I am now convinced that Bill Roberts was in fact Billy The Kid. When I watch other documentaries I often laugh at their lack of knowledge and inaccuracies about the life history of the Kid.
I'm convinced that he was Billy the Kid. A 93% facial similarity, knows details that only someone that had been there could have known about the major players and the shootouts, and remembers names and landmarks from the era. Plus verified by other surviving people from back then.
Historic academia will never admit it. They don't want to tarnish the rep of their law n' order icon Pat Garrett. The whole fairy tale has become an industry. too. Books, movies, tours, t-shirts and refrigerator magnets galore. $$$$$$$$$$
It's hard to argue against it because if applied in a different context like a murder trial, almost everyone would look at a 93% facial recognition match and have no problem putting a man in prison for the rest of his life. If we already apply the belief of this science within our judicial system, then this should be sufficient for people on this issue. Also the way he acted when he was ready to come clean does not strike me as evidence that he was lying, which was the dismissive narrative that came from that event. The guy was digging up memories,and opening back up a life he had left behind decades ago. He had a stroke ( or heart attack, I've heard both) not long after that happened. And I would bet anything that it happened because of all the stress, fear, worries and whatever else he had on his mind, because he made the decision to come clean. The detail in which the man spoke of things had people convinced he was at the very least someone who was in that part of N.M during that time period. So what are the odds of someone fitting the type of person, with the right knowledge, then getting a 93% confirmation on facial recognition, and not be Billy the Kid? Idk but I sure wouldn't bet against it.
My grandmother used to say she knew brushy bill Roberts when she was a kid. My grandma was born July 10, 1922, it’s very possible she may have known him.
@@ElMasChingon76 @melissastansbury8343 0 seconds ago I got it. He actually WAS Billy the Kid!! Look at the "bump" on the left of the nose between the eyes. They match. Older BUT match.
@@travisadair728 exactly! Brushy Bill had a square jaw while Billy the Kid had a narrow jaw for one thing. The professor that did the comparison with the Facial Recognition Program said that Brushy Bill and Billy the Kid were both White Males but that was about where the similarities ended, I do not know how the myth of them being the same man came about but it is not true.
The evidence highly suggests that Mr Roberts had very detailed knowledge of the events and time. Very compelling. I’m not willing to say that he definitely was the Kid but I certainly wouldn’t discard his claim altogether. Whomever he was it’s obvious he had at least second hand if not first hand knowledge which indicates he was very likely to be present during that time at least.
If Brushy Bill Roberts was, as they claim 'illiterate', he would therefore have to have been there to know so much detail! Otherwise he would be literate and could possibly be able to recite every historical book ever written by so many, which I believe is just not possible to remember so vividly in any case. they can't have it both ways.
I’d love to believe Billy the kid survived, that he went on to live a long life and I’m fairly certain he wasn’t killed when history would have us believe. I’m just not convinced that Bushy Bill is Billy the Kid and he may have had good reason to claim he was a fan who just wanted to get Billy that pardon he was promised before he died. Where I struggle to accept it is down to the photographic evidence that exists of the only truly accepted photo Billy. Sure it could be that Bushy is old and that’s why he looks so different, that his teeth had been removed changing certain aspects of his mouth. His ears being wrong could be because humans ears don’t stop growing as does the nose. I could give it the benefit of the doubt had that been just it. What really makes it difficult though is seeing a he only definite photo of Joseph McCarty, Billy’s younger brother. Taken a couple of years before his death. In that photo it’s clear me that he is Billy the Kids brother. The resemblance is clear in all areas. But he looks nothing at all like Bushy. How could Joseph keep some pretty distinct family features but Bushy retains none?
Long long ago before there was an internet and most of you even born... Before America's Most wanted aired the story about Billy the Kidd Even before the movie Young guns 2... My grandpa would often tell me stories about Frank and Jesse James Billy the Kidd More importantly my family's heritage and history all the pieces to the puzzle... And Brett All of what you're telling us about William Bonny Is Absolutely Truly Accurate makes me wonder how closely connected he and his brother were to all these events along with my great grandpa and so many stories of their lives...like I said long before any of this modern stuff existed Grandpa told me of how he lived in Hico Texas and had died a relatively short time before I was born!
This is a fantastic video. The character, Brushy Bill Roberts has fascinated me since seeing the film Young Guns II. Until that film I had never heard of either him or his story. Strangely, at the time of that film's release I was employed as an internet engineer and was busy designing the internet that's carrying the data I'm writing. Somehow that strikes me as terribly ironic. Listening to the evidence presented there's little question that Roberts was Billy the Kid. Which makes that tale nearly supernatural. I am now subscribed and am waiting with baited breath to see what other interesting facts you've dug up from those long gone days. Wado add we say in Tsalagi our thank you in English. It's wah-doe, by the way.
Awesome work! I must admit, I always wanted Brushy Bill to be the Kid, and you have proved it in my opinion.. Thanks for the work you've done and all the information you give to prove it. I sure wish I could have sat down and talked to him but he passed before I was born..
Great video Brett I think it’s hilarious how quote “ Brett plagiarizes others work” when you prove them wrong 😂 It’s not plagiarism when they say BBR got everything from the Saga and you prove clearly he didn’t do that at all Great work
i all ways felt that Billy was a victim of the law in being a witness of his friends murder the law had to get him out of the way ,all he did was fight back. your video was very well done.
You don't have to memorize the truth. It's not likely this 90 year old man memorized all of these details from books and got all the facts right; about who was where and what happened, about the layout of these homes and buildings. And what for? To get a pardon and pretend he was Billy the Kid for a couple years, at the end of his life? It just doesn't make sense _why_ he would make all this up and how he would commit all of this to memory. Now if he had experienced all of this, then it would make sense as to how he knew all of the details. Also I recently found an old copy of Pat Garrett's book and it is full of way more inaccuracies than Brushy's version of events. So this random old guy knew Billy the Kid's story, better than the former friend and sheriff who hunted him?
Pat killed Billy Clements not Billy the kid, and because there was no body to turn in Pat didnot get the reward. I lived in Roswell back in the 60's where our closest neighbor 80 something year old Lowell Pully who was the ramrod out at the Rattlesnake Ranch that is now a Texas State Park south of Carlsbad; was quite clear that the Kid was alive and well until the 1950's according to his friend Doc S! Mr. Pully knew all of the parties involved.during the Lincoln County War.
I really hope Brushy's recordings are released one day, you can tell when someone is speaking from memory and hearing the transcript read, it certainly sounds like he's just recounting his life. He just knew too much about Billy's life and all the details; so he either was _with_ Billy during all these events or he WAS Billy
Bill Roberts was Billy the Kid without a shadow of doubt. Billy was always shrewd and brave NOT STUPID. Is going to swear to murdering Olinger and Bell BEFORE OR AFTER he gets a pardon? Is he going yap himself into 50 years at 89, 90 years of age? Not in your life. They got him on the spot with Garrets the tree climbing toddler of folly ( or perhaps giving him a chance to restart as in fact did ) sons and victims kin also were there. If he had outlined how slipped manacles and cracked Bells nut to reverse his side arm all hell would of broken loose when he was expecting a Governor not a posse; and he had already seen just how honest the system and their Masse Onnico insider traders are as de facto adherents to Lucifer and the Greenman (green from purification not vegetation) I’d of played it exactly as Bill did too. You can tell it disappointed him not to die pardoned because it damn well killed him. Men can’t as easily fake tears like women can; at least I can’t, and I have lost my dearest creatures before God. He had no choice but to do exactly as he did at that hearing with those duplicitous hidden handed traitors to the species. The lowest of men with all their self righteous facades all histrionic lies and sabotaging to true ethics. The law they expect all others to hold sacred this monsters Coppers and Politicians will forsake in heart beat for Rothschild fairy money.
I have been researching Billy for a long time and would love to talk to u about some of your research . U have the most extensive research of anyone on TH-cam
My friend from across the pond we love British history as well in America it's our shared culture and lineage and I am a living outlaw from Alabama we all came from Europe enjoy our shared culture and history my friend
While doing genealogy research I discovered alias John Middleton was Jesse Dancer, my 1st cousin a few generations back. I have his life until 1875 in Texas, then he disappeared until I found his name in a Kansas divorce suit in 1882. He was using Middleton as an alias and managed to marry the sister of cattle baron Charles Colcord. There is one perported photo of him without any provenance, but it does resemble photos of relatives at the time.
They're not available online, as they were part of Morrison's files. They've been published in the books mentioned in the beginning of the video and are available for viewing at a few research libraries, in the form of microfilm. Upon completion of this series, I plan on making my entire collection available for public viewing online and without charge.
Man it is completely amazing what and how much we have been lied to and about. I went too Boston and found out through different things that those things said about Paul Revere weren't true. I dont believe any propaganda put out by the government. And I'm amazed that any cognitive thinking person does.
I have no answer for the questions you pose, but rather to say that without the passion which you possess, we would not be in possession of the truth, to which you have brought us.
Great Channel! I just subbed. I have a question for you! Some Regulator members like George Coe lived well into the 20th century where there were already cameras! I'm in disbelief that nobody ever thought to interview someone like G.Coe on camera regarding the Lincoln County War or anything to to with Billy the Kid! Are you aware of any such interviews BTW?
I studied this 30 years ago not as thorough as you but I had enough information to agree with you. It's imperative that we believe one another and not the politicians or government. Especially now. Blessings
Pat killed billy just not like he said he did,he hid under a cot at Pete Maxwells and ambushed the kid when he knocked on the screen door killing him with a sawed off shotgun.
Excellent video and research. I recently watched a video of Bob Boze Bell giving a speech at Tombstone where he said very clearly that history is not always correct and that time and continued research can result in changing what was believed to be true. Furthermore, I like the line from the movie "The Man who Shot Liberty Valance" where the newspaper man declares "when the legend becomes fact, print the legend." Maybe some day we will all know the truth rather than the legend, including JFK, MLK, Bobby, etc etc etc.
Watch the Interview of “William Tunstill and Ola Everhard”, y’all might learn something from our Elders. I thought that her name was IDA. She was around 70-71years old in that Interview.
Great video enjoyed it, for me having looked at the available evidence I am 110% certain that Brushy Bill was indeed Billy the kid, you also have to remember he didn't come out with the story himself he kept his secret for 70 years until approached about it, that tells me straight away the man was no walter mitty claiming to be someone he wasn't and had the reporter not approached Brushy no one would have ever known, god bless you Bill I hope you have finally found true peace.
As I remember Brushy Bill Roberts used the 19th century proper term of negroes, which fits with a person living in the 19th century but I was under the impression that Brushy Bill Roberts was Buckshot Roberts because of commonalities between the two and the fact that both were Lincoln County Regulators according to paperwork possessed by Tunstall (Tunstill on the sign but commonly misspelled)
There is no way a man could know or remember those intricate details unless he were there.......if Roberts were not ' the Kid ', why did Coe, Evens or other interviewed eyewitnesses not speak of another man ( ie...' Roberts ' ) who could remember these details ?.......They don't......they simply speak of Billy as being there.
Great video. The only thing that kind of threw me off was that after the shooting of sheriff brady according to other historians, they said that after the kid was shot he ran back into tunstall's store and hid under the floor board and then sometime later he came out and got on his horse and rode out of Lincoln, but when other people saw him, they began firing shots at him which they all missed and once he was far enough, he got off his horse, turned around, tipped his hat, took a bow and then left into the hills. This was actually confirmed by a woman named Amelia Bolton Church who was there when the events took place and saw the kid escaping... but according to brushy bill, he states that after the kid was shot after trying to retrieve his gun from brady he ran and jumped back over the wall and got on his horse and road out of Lincoln.... So thats the only part that threw me off about the video...
Im very open minded on whether Brushy Bill Roberts is the billy the kid. I've listened to both sides and do have questions. Is it true that Brushy Bill family has said it was a hoax?
Only 2 claimed family members have come out against his claim, one a very distant cousin who never met him and the other claims to be his niece...the only problem is William Henry Roberts didn't have any nieces! I have more than a dozen affidavits signed by relatives of his that believed his claim. Thanks for watching.
@@brushybret I didn’t know that. I love your videos. You should definitely write a book. I would buy it in a second. Thanks for your hard work and great job
What also needs to be noted is his manner of speaking. I.E- ending explanations with ‘so we did’ and ‘so it was’ are colloquially from the north of Ireland, Antrim specifically. It has been proven recently that that particular way of speaking if a hang up of how words are organised in Irish. Billy was supposedly tri-lingual when he first arrived, and understandably he must has stopped use when he went west as there were few speaking such a specific language.
Source citation please. According to Morrison, as well as Roberts' doctor and the man who prepared his body for burial, Brushy was 5'8 . According to JH Koogler of The Las Vegas Gazette, who interviewed Billy while he was being transported to Mesilla to stand trial Billy the Kid was 5'8.
It’s about time others are finally listening and looking at the actual facts’ I have ripped through the interviews and autobiographical info for years’ Brushy had way to much inside and personal information that only a man who knew the actual people and families of that era would know’ I hope that these facts finally vindicate the poor man who was forced to live his life like an outcast for doing for the right thing’ even in the end when he did not have to say who he was and die in obscurety finally came out to be pardoned’ nothing more! Then drug through the mud with people claiming he was not who he said he was’ corruption does more to ruin people than anything else’ the media and papers of that time made him out to be a fool and he died broke and scared after a lifetime of looking over his shoulder’ a travesty that can not be forgiven and deserves to be told.
keep in mind it was the 40s brushy knew things he couldnt have known without having internet or personally speaking to everyone who was there, but when u have people who rode with the kid saying its him, hard to deny someone whos known him all his life
2 copies of the interviews were known to exist. The first set of copies were in the possession of Roberts' step-grandson, Bill Allison. These tapes were loaned to researcher Frederic Bean sometime in the late 80s. W.C. Jameson wrote a book about this set of tapes in the book, Billy the Kid: The Lost Interviews. When Bean had the tapes, he noted the poor condition they were in, primarily due to the manner in which they were stored. Nonetheless, he transcribed them and these transcripts served as the premise for the book that he and Jameson collaborated on, The Return of the Outlaw Billy the Kid. Following Allison's death, the tapes along with Roberts' trunk were taken by a family member. And from there no one knows what became of either the tapes or Roberts' trunk. As far as the 2nd set of tapes goes: I found a letter Morrison wrote just a few months before his death revealing the location of the tapes. Right before the pandemic hit in early 2020 I contacted the institution and was told they had several items donated by Morrison, and they believed they might have them and just had to figure out exactly where they were being stored. The pandemic forced us to temporarily pause in our search efforts, but I'm optimistic that sometime this summer or fall I'll be able to locate them...if they still exist. If I do locate them, I will put them up here on TH-cam. I do have a copy of an old recording of Roberts talking, but it's in extremely poor condition, and if I can clean it up a little I'll post it here on my channel. Thanks for watching.
@@brushybret Did Roberts ever talk of what happened the night Garret supposedly shot him?... Whose in that grave?... I find that it is more likely than not that this was Billy The Kid, in fact when all is considered I would be shocked if he wasn't.
@@brushybret I'll be watching, it seems to me the facts are wilder than the fiction. Good presentation by the way, you made the topic very interesting.
Great research and good story telling. How amazing those time where its a great debate. And love to imagine that the kid did not get killed by pat. I'm from NM and have family in Lincoln. I have been to Billy the Kid day's in Lincoln if you have never been I suggest you go .
I've been to Lincoln several times and I absolutely love it! You're absolutely right about Billy the Kid day's in Lincoln, as it's a must for any fan of Billy the Kid and Lincoln County War history. Thanks for watching.
So excited to see a new video was uploaded today! 🍿 I love how detailed your videos on Brushy’s life are. You do such a factual deep dive on the details. And I also love how you address the oft repeated misinformation about Brushy that is taken at face value and never researched. 👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼
Thank you for your kind words, and thanks for watching.
Same here. I go down this rabbit hole from time to time . Just too interesting to me to ignore
Nobody in the establishment wants people to think a selfless vigilante outlaw can ride off into the sunset and escape the noose or the bullet even if they themselves believe it. It happens it's rare but I have seen it happen in the modern world to friend of mine who died in a hospital bed instead of a cage.
Now they are saying he got all of it out of some movie in the 40s. I wish he would have said it in front of his wife.He was no worse than anyone else when the sheriff is 9n your enemy side and the gun down a good friend tunstall no worse than anyone else. Also 6 or 8 0eople were shooting at Brady and deputies. Billy hated Mathews and would have shit him. No one knows who killed Brady although Billy answered for it
I got it. He actually WAS Billy the Kid!! Look at the "bump" on the left of the nose between the eyes. They match. Older BUT match.
Honestly that’s definitely not a lie. That’s why Billy the kid should have been given his full pardon as promise.
If brushy bill sought fame and fortune then I could see how he could be seen as a possible conman but, he didn't do any of that, he was sought, and all his accounts prove to be accurate.... so if he wasn't Billy he was witness to some amazing events!!! He contradicts known historical supposed facts of the time, only to be proven correct in time... For me that would be more than sufficient to stand up in court!!!
This clinches it for me. Brushy Bill was Billy the Kid.
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I got it. He actually WAS Billy the Kid!! Look at the "bump" on the left of the nose between the eyes. They match. Older BUT match.
What a great video. Nice that someone finally gives Brushy Bill Robert's (the kid) hisbdue for being honest. He had a tough life for sure. Goes to show corruption and political evil was as it is now not much change absolute power corrupts absolutely!!
My 2nd great grandmother was Odilia Maxwell, who was Pete Maxwells little sister. She was about 14-15 when Billy the kid was supposedly shot. It was not him. Brushy Bill Robert’s was Billy the kid!!
so paulita maxwell was your 2nd great aunt....
@@dennisdonovan974 that’s correct
That is incredible. Was there anything passed down though the family or stories about him ?
@@awakeningfaith2290 yes, the man killed wasn’t Billy the Kid. The community of Fort Sumner loved him. He did get into a shootout with Pat Garret and deputy’s and was struck in the hip but managed to escape and live on
@@jimmiethomas7194 Do you believe that Paulita had Billy's child? Her son was born 6 months after her marriage which happened right after the shooting with legend being that Pete knew she was pregnant which is why he told Garrett that Billy was there. Also I've seen a picture and he looks like the spitting image of Billy in the Tin Type. Did your family pass on any legends about the issue?
I am a living descendant of Mr. Roberts. Mr. Roberts was my grandmother's Great Uncle. My grandmother is still living today at 90 years of age, making her the oldest living descendant of Mr. Roberts. Some people in my family believe he was in fact Billy the Kid and others believe he was just a conman. I am still undecided. I don't know much about the Roberts family, or Mr. Roberts. I am still learning. Thank you for sharing this video!
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What about the DNA test? I'm asking you because you are a descendant so in case you have some insight we don't as to how it could be disputed. The videos are good but the DNA test never gets addressed. The ear measurements are never addressed either, none of the science is it seems. I remember wanting Bill to be him and being completely deflated when the DNA came back and my rational mind just couldn't find a way to dispute it.
Brushy bills autopsy showed that he had something like 100 bullet and knife wounds on his body. He probably was the kid. Historians would never admit they were wrong.
@@jackd6148 not trying to get into a difficulty here, but, as a person having 7 knife scars (and I dont mean small ones) and having been shot at (but never hit) 3 times, 100 times is alot. I know 4 people personally that's been shot. One of them 5 times in 3 separate altercations. Not calling you out. I realize your repeating what you've heard/read. I really dont think people realize how traumatic being shot is. Or even shot at is. Being knifed is a crazy feeling. Rather giving or receiving. I got butterflies right now. Even 50 of either or mixed is a butt load. Just saying.
Something to keep in mind when regarding Mr Roberts storyline.
In the timeframe of these pioneers, it was virtually impossible to substantiate anyones story and you truly had to take people at their word until Time or Facts caught up with them to suss out their Lies. from the Truth. Given that reality MANY men inflated their backgrounds, invented their backgrounds or OUTRIGHT LIED about their backgrounds. People STILL do it all the time even today.
I believe he lied and it would be literally impossible to prove or disprove given the fact that no one knew what Billy Looked like so they didn’t know any better anyway until it was too late. Also, it was a great “con” because even IF the caught him as Billy the Kid he could then come clean and say “No No you have wrong man, my name is Mr Roberts”
Definitely the most comprehensive analysis of Billy the Kid and the New Mexico Range War/Lincoln County War.
I must admit young guns 1 and 2 are my favourite western films.
This video is a great example how u do research by correlating what Brushy Bill Roberts said among the other books written about Billy The Kid or the Lincoln County War. Robert's was 100% Billy The Kid !!! Great job Brett Hall !!! Ur the MAN 💯‼️
Thanks for watching.
I agree a 100%, that is one thing I hate about so-called debunker's, because if you take a position as a debunker, you're not taking a position as an objective investigator.
This is the problem I have with the UFO topic, it's a very huge massive complex topic spanning over 80 year's, and if you really dive deep into it, there's a lot of compelling evidence, and yet self-proclaimed debunkers love to cherry pick and ignore one thing while addressing another, or they switch it around.
They play a game of moving the goal Posts.
If you prove one thing wrong or point something out that is a fallacy on their end, they simply pivot and jump to something else..
For decades, they said the very concept of ufos for example was nonsense, then several years ago the government officially makes a statement that they are in fact real and penetrate US airspace, and now they pivot and immediately start making other objections when they said the very fact they exist in the first place was nonsense and conveniently ignore that the US government admitted it, something the government proclaimed was an illusion and didn't exist for decades....
Whether it's this topic, history, take your pic.
the mentality of debunkers is inherently flawed and it's absurd.
when you really get into what Brushy said, you realize he was the kid. What he said about the killing of James Carlyle is absolute proof. Exact same story is in Billie's letter to Gov Wallace. Almost word for word.
My grandmother used to quote Bible verses but that doesn't mean she was there...
@@Bumper776but was his letter public record before being cited? Serious question, here. Like was it published in the paper of record, for example. Something that could have been easily obtained?
Man I remember when I was a kid hearing how Brushy Bill wasn’t actually The Kid. It really does sound like he was. It only makes sense why officially would love to the keep the lore and “official” story as true because that’s just the way the world works it seems the older you get. It’s pretty cool and compelling stuff
Epix, Mgm, Paramount & Michael Hirst, ya'll need to hire this guy to write Season 2 of Billy the Kid. This is how you tell a story.
there is a TV show that is called Billy the kid ???
@@the_patriot7Yes....But Chavez is a farmer, never in the gang and got killed on the farm in series 1....So I don't know what to believe....
A "story" is right
Great work. I have followed this rabbit whole of Bushy Bill Robert's for 30 years and you have done a beautiful job at compiling the information needed to discern a logical conclusion. What a great research and investment.
Well, what is your opinion on the whole conspiracy?. If you don't mind telling, I have not got 30 more years to chase anything. 😂
If Bushy Bill wasn’t Billy the Kid then it looks as though he was the most knowledgeable man alive of the Kid’s history...
He had to have been!
If he wasn’t then he should have been.... Thank you so so much for all your hard work my eyes have been opened!
You know what your better than you think you are because after i watched all things billy the kid and the wild west extravaganza they are amateurs that dont really do theyre research and you have been on the right track you did the research and you go to in depth levels that frankly puts those others to shame you are like billy the kid an autobiography you guys deserve much respect for your hard work and determination to get the facts right.
Fascinating. Thanks for citing your sources and calling out those who don't.
While I’m no expert and just a fan I always felt that Billy The Kid had a split between being caught up in corruption and power hungry folks and he just fought back and was fortunate and quick with a gun then again I always felt like they portrayed him to list for fame and to be known. Idk what the truth is but it’s always interesting to hear stories like these
I want to believe in my heart that Roberts was Billy the Kid. I so hope it is true. That means, Billy got to live a full life after the Lincoln Co. War.
Joseph Kenyon:Then if BBRoberts is The Kid,whose the luckless soul who was killed?Would like to think The Kid escaped,but...
@@susanmccormick6022 Maybe it was a set up. I thought I saw somewhere that a few people around that day said it wasnt the kid that Garrett killed. I think Garrett passed it off as the kid to then promote his book after. I think maybe he let him go. I dont know. I just want it to be that way. I like the Roberts theory.
A reporter from back east came to Fort Sumner in search of a story about The Wild West. He arrived just before Pat Garrett supposedly killed Billy.
The reporter disappeared the next day and was never heard from again... Locals in Fort Sumner relayed that story to me 50 years ago. That had been passed down by their older relatives. They knew the truth. The "grave" is not his real grave.
Ask about a flood that flooded the cemetery and disturbed many coffins. A lot of coffins had to be re-buried, with no idea of was actually in the coffins. So they just guessed and redid the grave markers.
@josephkeny garret was already catching flack for wrongly killing 2 other men mistaken as Billy....this one had to be him even if it wasn't.....that's why the burial was so quick ....a deputy also said " that's the wrong man" when they walked into the room .
Billy made it out of there and I belive pat helped him
This is such a great video! I’m from England but I am obsessed with American outlaw history. Looking forward to watching more! I believe Bill Roberts was the kid No one make this up and can go into that much accurate detail.
Ola Everhard was very precise when she talked about Billy being Brushy Roberts. The facts she brought up along with Brett's facts totally convinced me he was factually Billy the Kid. That woman was a walking encyclopedia on factual events regarding Billy, I have watched that video done with her three times, and I know Brett did also. Great job Brett, and just an FYI... The local govts and fed govt have always lied and bent truths especially when it comes to their "facts". It's always about the money and rarely about real facts. Love to sit and have a lunch with you Brett, you are an excellent source of facts on Billy.
You said "hard"
Absolutely.
@@unclefido6484 We are kind of witnessing the corruption of the govt right now, just as Billy did when he was wrongly accused of crimes he did not commit. Look at what Pres Trump is going through, corrupt govt corrupt DA corrupt politicians. Just as Billy ran up against. And all Billy wanted was the pardon he rightfully deserved yet never got. Money was the reason because states stood to make more money by pushing their lies of Billys death by Garrett when factually Billy did NOT die that night as Brett so factually points out. Money is the root of all thats evil.
What kind of person old in age wants to lie about his life and be remembered for somebody he wasn’t?
It makes no sense.
It’s more likely he was the kid and he had nothing left to fear since he was an old man close to death.
Seems like a last will and testament to me.
I mean yeah, but how many deathbed confessions over the years have been confessions of “I killed Jimmy Hoffa” for example. I mean these are worlds apart, but it could be the same thing as “I wanna be remembered for something” so they go for one of the great mysteries/controversies of their time… I’m not necessarily of this mindset, I don’t have a pony in this either way, but I am playing devil’s advocate on the argument.
I always told everyone you were the best, Brett. It’s good to see you back in action. If you remember I had your book before you ever knew it was for sale. I had the yellow cover book.
I just came across your channel; interesting presentation. I heard about this back in 1981, from a true historian, and conspiracy revealer, Ralph Epperson.
Ralph, spent his lifetime researching, uncovering, and exposing the deceptions perpetrated throughout US history. He published his own books, and made his living giving lectures wherever he was welcome.
I trust Ralph's work, completely. I don't know if he ever wrote a book on Billy, last I saw him, was in 2004 or 05, but he certainly had a lot of the same details you present here.
I'm going to watch your other videos, and see if I can order your book. Thank you for producing this; the controversy of Billy The Kid, I imagine, will live on forever.
The real question is, why has the gov, refused to allow any testing to be done on the contents of the supposed grave of Billy? Of course, it's too late now, because the bones were washed away in a flood, but what about tracing family DNA? Well, my thought is that there are too many people who still profit in one way or another, off of Billy's story.
It looks like you have proven again that Brushy is Billy. I have always disputed the neigh-sayers and stuck to my guns. The problem now is that Lincoln County and Hico, Texas, both claim to have the grave of Billy. I'm sure that they love the publicity, but only is the real grave. I would love to see Billy get the pardon he was promised, so he can rest in peace! Thank you, Mr. Hall, for proving that Brushy was Billy!!!
@@timeburied9327 no, I've never been there.
Beautifully done. Fan of the old west. You did it right. Thank you for sharing this with the world. Bravo
Evil will always try to make the good guy look like the bad guy in order to cover their ass.... In my opinion Billy was just a victim of this And I deeply respect him for having the strength to stand up for what he believed in. Glad to see the truth is finally coming out. It's just too bad It happened so late..... Long after his death.
In 1879 my great uncle, part Native American Apache, Cherokee, and Basque, became very close to Billy and he and his girl, a pretty Mexican/Indian, who was an awesome cook, was told by our great uncle to stay away from the Territory, because the Murphy boys and "that fool sheriff, Pat Garrett" were following the wrong Billy The Kid. They were following a friend, follower, and look alike of Billy, they were watching, like the idiots they were. Pat Garrett was so frightened of Billy, that he had no problem burying the wrong body, and claiming it to be Billy's. Billy let it be know that he was going to possibly kill Pat Garret, and his buddies, for shooting a good friend, who was like a look-alike brother of Billy's, but Old man Maxwell, and his daughter talked Billy out of it. Billy and a few friends headed South where they had a stronghold at a small, but well armed town, that loved Billy, and would have taken up arms to protect him. Billy fled for the mountains, got married, and became a town Marshall, farmer, and would hang with his old friends once in a while, but eventually legally changed his name to Bill Roberts, later to be named Brushy Bill. Hildago said that Billy went with him to the Middle East, where they made lots of money off their famous horse race. Also, Billy, not Hildago raced a Mustang horse in a huge dessert race, and won!!! When Brushy Bill came back, he still had all the same scars Billy the Kid had, and the same smile, and voice. That's what is in our Family History, with old photos, that our grandpa would not sell. Billy was very Religious, and was a good and loyal husband, father, and grandfather.
Even if Pat Garrett did not kill Billy. Brushy Bill is a lieing Imposter.
@@jonathanlawson4667 he was held with Pat Garrett for sometime in the Lincoln county court and was documented that they extensively spoke and on April 28th 1881 made his escape killing J.W Bell and Bob Olinger when Pat Garrett had left to collect taxes’s so he knew Billy.. I totally agree with you on that basis
@@jonathanlawson4667 and who has a great uncle that was around in 1879, it would be well further back in a family tree line than great uncle in this day and age🤦♂️
@@jonathanlawson4667 yeah It’s one of my pet hates really, I don’t have a clue why this guy has made something up in the comments but when channels get high views on disingenuous information and presumably making money from it is wrong in my eyes and it’s happening across many topics
That's a good story Joseph. I have no doubt that you were told this by family. Alot of old tales are told over and over again. Being embellished everytime told. We have them about my grandfather and great grandfather who were supposed to be indian. Supposedly my great grandfather made his living with a gun. I've come to believe it's all bullsh!t. Along with a whole bunch of other tales. I do believe they were bot very mean and bad men. I've found proof of that. But not all the other stuff. Anyway dont let others crap on your stuff. Even billy the kid knew other people than just the names given here. You could have the timeline wrong or other things. After all the story has been told for more than a century! Share it with your kids it's a good story but let them know how old the story is and that people could have added or forgot parts. I live in the area around the country where the Taylor/ Sutton feud accured. I've also been to the town and cemetery where the Dailyville massacre occurred. I live literally 20 miles from the place and was friends with the old man that owned the property the cemetery was on. More people died in the Sutton/Taylor feud the Hatfields and McCoys. Also more people died in the Dailyville massacre and it was worse than the OK corral. We dont pick the written history. Educated people pick what they want you to know. Look up Helena Texas. That town was hell on earth. I live 12 miles from it.
i am convinced the Kid lived and was Roberts
21:36 There's also something worth noting in this confusion. I met a student in college who was from Ireland. He said one of the peculiar thing about the U.S. is the use of "Mc" and "O'" prefixes before the surnames here. He said they don't really use that in Ireland (especially for women!). He said that one of them means "son of" and the other "grand son of". So it really cracked him up when some girl was named "Molly O'brien" or something (Molly GrandSON of Brien?). When or why this convention was changed, or how it was used differently over the years, might be the source of the confusion.
As a journalist I am trained to seek out reliable sources to verify the facts of my news reports. I am now convinced that Bill Roberts was in fact Billy The Kid. When I watch other documentaries I often laugh at their lack of knowledge and inaccuracies about the life history of the Kid.
I'm convinced that he was Billy the Kid. A 93% facial similarity, knows details that only someone that had been there could have known about the major players and the shootouts, and remembers names and landmarks from the era. Plus verified by other surviving people from back then.
Historic academia will never admit it. They don't want to tarnish the rep of their law n' order icon Pat Garrett. The whole fairy tale has become an industry. too. Books, movies, tours, t-shirts and refrigerator magnets galore. $$$$$$$$$$
It's hard to argue against it because if applied in a different context like a murder trial, almost everyone would look at a 93% facial recognition match and have no problem putting a man in prison for the rest of his life. If we already apply the belief of this science within our judicial system, then this should be sufficient for people on this issue. Also the way he acted when he was ready to come clean does not strike me as evidence that he was lying, which was the dismissive narrative that came from that event. The guy was digging up memories,and opening back up a life he had left behind decades ago. He had a stroke ( or heart attack, I've heard both) not long after that happened. And I would bet anything that it happened because of all the stress, fear, worries and whatever else he had on his mind, because he made the decision to come clean. The detail in which the man spoke of things had people convinced he was at the very least someone who was in that part of N.M during that time period. So what are the odds of someone fitting the type of person, with the right knowledge, then getting a 93% confirmation on facial recognition, and not be Billy the Kid? Idk but I sure wouldn't bet against it.
looks nothing like billy.
@@tyj9175 how can you really tell? Bill's photos are when he was old and gray- the only known pic of The Kid was taken when he was a kid.
@@tyj9175 I already did a video debunking that th-cam.com/video/Y8KpyQTdBfk/w-d-xo.html
My grandmother used to say she knew brushy bill Roberts when she was a kid. My grandma was born July 10, 1922, it’s very possible she may have known him.
Listened to the full video in one sitting. Very well done, bro 😂🔥💪🏾
I believe old brushy bill. Im convinced he really was BTK. May he rest in peace.
Then youre a fool.
Which means he was 2 when Pat Garrett allegedly killed him.
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I got it. He actually WAS Billy the Kid!! Look at the "bump" on the left of the nose between the eyes. They match. Older BUT match.
@@travisadair728 exactly! Brushy Bill had a square jaw while Billy the Kid had a narrow jaw for one thing. The professor that did the comparison with the Facial Recognition Program said that Brushy Bill and Billy the Kid were both White Males but that was about where the similarities ended, I do not know how the myth of them being the same man came about but it is not true.
@@MattF12765agreed
The evidence highly suggests that Mr Roberts had very detailed knowledge of the events and time. Very compelling. I’m not willing to say that he definitely was the Kid but I certainly wouldn’t discard his claim altogether. Whomever he was it’s obvious he had at least second hand if not first hand knowledge which indicates he was very likely to be present during that time at least.
Your research is very commendable
If Brushy Bill Roberts was, as they claim 'illiterate', he would therefore have to have been there to know so much detail!
Otherwise he would be literate and could possibly be able to recite every historical book ever written by so many, which I believe is just not possible to remember so vividly in any case. they can't have it both ways.
I really believe 100 percent that Brushy Bill is Billy the kid, because a dying man will never lie, that's my Openion
I’d love to believe Billy the kid survived, that he went on to live a long life and I’m fairly certain he wasn’t killed when history would have us believe. I’m just not convinced that Bushy Bill is Billy the Kid and he may have had good reason to claim he was a fan who just wanted to get Billy that pardon he was promised before he died.
Where I struggle to accept it is down to the photographic evidence that exists of the only truly accepted photo Billy. Sure it could be that Bushy is old and that’s why he looks so different, that his teeth had been removed changing certain aspects of his mouth. His ears being wrong could be because humans ears don’t stop growing as does the nose. I could give it the benefit of the doubt had that been just it. What really makes it difficult though is seeing a he only definite photo of Joseph McCarty, Billy’s younger brother. Taken a couple of years before his death. In that photo it’s clear me that he is Billy the Kids brother. The resemblance is clear in all areas. But he looks nothing at all like Bushy. How could Joseph keep some pretty distinct family features but Bushy retains none?
Long long ago before there was an internet and most of you even born... Before America's Most wanted aired the story about Billy the Kidd Even before the movie Young guns 2... My grandpa would often tell me stories about Frank and Jesse James Billy the Kidd More importantly my family's heritage and history all the pieces to the puzzle... And Brett All of what you're telling us about William Bonny Is Absolutely Truly Accurate makes me wonder how closely connected he and his brother were to all these events along with my great grandpa and so many stories of their lives...like I said long before any of this modern stuff existed Grandpa told me of how he lived in Hico Texas and had died a relatively short time before I was born!
That end statement is spot on!!!
This is a fantastic video.
The character, Brushy Bill Roberts has fascinated me since seeing the film Young Guns II. Until that film I had never heard of either him or his story.
Strangely, at the time of that film's release I was employed as an internet engineer and was busy designing the internet that's carrying the data I'm writing.
Somehow that strikes me as terribly ironic.
Listening to the evidence presented there's little question that Roberts was Billy the Kid. Which makes that tale nearly supernatural.
I am now subscribed and am waiting with baited breath to see what other interesting facts you've dug up from those long gone days.
Wado add we say in Tsalagi our thank you in English. It's wah-doe, by the way.
Awesome work! I must admit, I always wanted Brushy Bill to be the Kid, and you have proved it in my opinion.. Thanks for the work you've done and all the information you give to prove it. I sure wish I could have sat down and talked to him but he passed before I was born..
Thanks for watching.
Great video Brett
I think it’s hilarious how quote “ Brett plagiarizes others work” when you prove them wrong 😂
It’s not plagiarism when they say BBR got everything from the Saga and you prove clearly he didn’t do that at all
Great work
i all ways felt that Billy was a victim of the law in being a witness of his friends murder the law had to get him out of the way ,all he did was fight back.
your video was very well done.
You don't have to memorize the truth. It's not likely this 90 year old man memorized all of these details from books and got all the facts right; about who was where and what happened, about the layout of these homes and buildings. And what for? To get a pardon and pretend he was Billy the Kid for a couple years, at the end of his life?
It just doesn't make sense _why_ he would make all this up and how he would commit all of this to memory.
Now if he had experienced all of this, then it would make sense as to how he knew all of the details.
Also I recently found an old copy of Pat Garrett's book and it is full of way more inaccuracies than Brushy's version of events. So this random old guy knew Billy the Kid's story, better than the former friend and sheriff who hunted him?
Pat killed Billy Clements not Billy the kid, and because there was no body to turn in Pat didnot get the reward. I lived in Roswell back in the 60's where our closest neighbor 80 something year old Lowell Pully who was the ramrod out at the Rattlesnake Ranch that is now a Texas State Park south of Carlsbad; was quite clear that the Kid was alive and well until the 1950's according to his friend Doc S! Mr. Pully knew all of the parties involved.during the Lincoln County War.
Wow!! This is just brilliant! This must have taken an extremely long time to put together. Awesome job
I really hope Brushy's recordings are released one day, you can tell when someone is speaking from memory and hearing the transcript read, it certainly sounds like he's just recounting his life.
He just knew too much about Billy's life and all the details; so he either was _with_ Billy during all these events or he WAS Billy
This is the best interpretation of the real facts very well done 👍
Thanks for watching.
From the the moment I heard of Roberts I believed him to be billy the kid
Bill Roberts was Billy the Kid without a shadow of doubt.
Billy was always shrewd and brave NOT STUPID. Is going to swear to murdering Olinger and Bell BEFORE OR AFTER he gets a pardon? Is he going yap himself into 50 years at 89, 90 years of age? Not in your life. They got him on the spot with Garrets the tree climbing toddler of folly ( or perhaps giving him a chance to restart as in fact did ) sons and victims kin also were there.
If he had outlined how slipped manacles and cracked Bells nut to reverse his side arm all hell would of broken loose when he was expecting a Governor not a posse; and he had already seen just how honest the system and their Masse Onnico insider traders are as de facto adherents to Lucifer and the Greenman (green from purification not vegetation) I’d of played it exactly as Bill did too. You can tell it disappointed him not to die pardoned because it damn well killed him. Men can’t as easily fake tears like women can; at least I can’t, and I have lost my dearest creatures before God.
He had no choice but to do exactly as he did at that hearing with those duplicitous hidden handed traitors to the species. The lowest of men with all their self righteous facades all histrionic lies and sabotaging to true ethics.
The law they expect all others to hold sacred this monsters Coppers and Politicians will forsake in heart beat for Rothschild fairy money.
I have been researching Billy for a long time and would love to talk to u about some of your research . U have the most extensive research of anyone on TH-cam
Thanks! You can contact me at brushybret@yahoo.com
It was him I'm convinced and this stuff is pretty much all I think about...great video thank you!
My friend from across the pond we love British history as well in America it's our shared culture and lineage and I am a living outlaw from Alabama we all came from Europe enjoy our shared culture and history my friend
While doing genealogy research I discovered alias John Middleton was Jesse Dancer, my 1st cousin a few generations back. I have his life until 1875 in Texas, then he disappeared until I found his name in a Kansas divorce suit in 1882. He was using Middleton as an alias and managed to marry the sister of cattle baron Charles Colcord. There is one perported photo of him without any provenance, but it does resemble photos of relatives at the time.
where can i find these transcripts you are using? i have googled and cant find where the tapes were ever transcribed. thanks!
They're not available online, as they were part of Morrison's files. They've been published in the books mentioned in the beginning of the video and are available for viewing at a few research libraries, in the form of microfilm. Upon completion of this series, I plan on making my entire collection available for public viewing online and without charge.
All my life has been full of lies by government and desception
Man it is completely amazing what and how much we have been lied to and about. I went too Boston and found out through different things that those things said about Paul Revere weren't true. I dont believe any propaganda put out by the government. And I'm amazed that any cognitive thinking person does.
Good.
I'm almost positive Billy said that same thing.
ya read the bible to find out why that is
I have no answer for the questions you pose, but rather to say that without the passion which you possess, we would not be in possession of the truth, to which you have brought us.
Great Channel! I just subbed. I have a question for you! Some Regulator members like George Coe lived well into the 20th century where there were already cameras! I'm in disbelief that nobody ever thought to interview someone like G.Coe on camera regarding the Lincoln County War or anything to to with Billy the Kid! Are you aware of any such interviews BTW?
For what it's worth I believe you've proved the point very well and anyone who refuses to see it have their heads in the New Mexico sand .
I believe that mam, for sure! That old man wasn’t lying
I commend you! Well done and thank you, for the effort and thought you have put into all of this.
Thanks for watching
I was whole heartedly expecting to hear a recorded voice of Brushy Bill...
I studied this 30 years ago not as thorough as you but I had enough information to agree with you.
It's imperative that we believe one another and not the politicians or government. Especially now. Blessings
Pat killed billy just not like he said he did,he hid under a cot at Pete Maxwells and ambushed the kid when he knocked on the screen door killing him with a sawed off shotgun.
@@angelvalle9963 Source citation?
@@Mikey420isTaken Garrett never made a statement on Billy's height. Name one scholar or supposed pall bearer.
“The Saga of Billy the Kid”
The title says it all. Sagas were never framed to be true. I mean the guy technically didn’t lie, right? RIGHT?
That's absolutely true. However, a lot of so-called experts still cite it. I go further into this in my video on the shooting. Thanks for watching.
Excellent video and research. I recently watched a video of Bob Boze Bell giving a speech at Tombstone where he said very clearly that history is not always correct and that time and continued research can result in changing what was believed to be true. Furthermore, I like the line from the movie "The Man who Shot Liberty Valance" where the newspaper man declares "when the legend becomes fact, print the legend." Maybe some day we will all know the truth rather than the legend, including JFK, MLK, Bobby, etc etc etc.
and WJM (William Julian Maxwell).(BTK).
Do a few more of these. I've listened to this one at least 70 times now.
I'm almost finished with part 2 and hope to have it up soon. Thanks for watching.
Watch the Interview of “William Tunstill and Ola Everhard”, y’all might learn something from our Elders. I thought that her name was IDA. She was around 70-71years old in that Interview.
Great video enjoyed it, for me having looked at the available evidence I am 110% certain that Brushy Bill was indeed Billy the kid, you also have to remember he didn't come out with the story himself he kept his secret for 70 years until approached about it, that tells me straight away the man was no walter mitty claiming to be someone he wasn't and had the reporter not approached Brushy no one would have ever known, god bless you Bill I hope you have finally found true peace.
this story is not the only story the experts got wrong, the history of mankind that they tell us is wrong also.
As I remember Brushy Bill Roberts used the 19th century proper term of negroes, which fits with a person living in the 19th century but I was under the impression that Brushy Bill Roberts was Buckshot Roberts because of commonalities between the two and the fact that both were Lincoln County Regulators according to paperwork possessed by Tunstall (Tunstill on the sign but commonly misspelled)
Well done!! Enjoyed the video. I live near Hico and Hamilton and have been to Brushy's grave site many times. Thank you for putting all this together.
Thanks for watching.
Wow. Some day me and the fam will make it there All the best
I believe the brushy bill story. Great video
Thank you very much!
I'm hooked on Billy the Kid
Thanks for watching.
There is no way a man could know or remember those intricate details unless he were there.......if Roberts were not ' the Kid ', why did Coe, Evens or other interviewed eyewitnesses not speak of another man ( ie...' Roberts ' ) who could remember these details ?.......They don't......they simply speak of Billy as being there.
Great video. The only thing that kind of threw me off was that after the shooting of sheriff brady according to other historians, they said that after the kid was shot he ran back into tunstall's store and hid under the floor board and then sometime later he came out and got on his horse and rode out of Lincoln, but when other people saw him, they began firing shots at him which they all missed and once he was far enough, he got off his horse, turned around, tipped his hat, took a bow and then left into the hills. This was actually confirmed by a woman named Amelia Bolton Church who was there when the events took place and saw the kid escaping... but according to brushy bill, he states that after the kid was shot after trying to retrieve his gun from brady he ran and jumped back over the wall and got on his horse and road out of Lincoln....
So thats the only part that threw me off about the video...
Thank you very much my friend, god bless you
Thank you too
Im very open minded on whether Brushy Bill Roberts is the billy the kid. I've listened to both sides and do have questions. Is it true that Brushy Bill family has said it was a hoax?
Only 2 claimed family members have come out against his claim, one a very distant cousin who never met him and the other claims to be his niece...the only problem is William Henry Roberts didn't have any nieces! I have more than a dozen affidavits signed by relatives of his that believed his claim. Thanks for watching.
@@brushybret I didn’t know that. I love your videos. You should definitely write a book. I would buy it in a second. Thanks for your hard work and great job
Brushy Bill Roberts AKA William H Bonny AKA Henry McGarty AKA William Antrim AKA "Billy The Kid"
Thank you
This mystery will never be solved.
Shout out to my fellow New Mexicans! And our legend Billy the kid!
I really like this series thank you for making it
What also needs to be noted is his manner of speaking. I.E- ending explanations with ‘so we did’ and ‘so it was’ are colloquially from the north of Ireland, Antrim specifically. It has been proven recently that that particular way of speaking if a hang up of how words are organised in Irish. Billy was supposedly tri-lingual when he first arrived, and understandably he must has stopped use when he went west as there were few speaking such a specific language.
I'm gonna read all these books.
When did Brushy Bill speak Irish as Billy could.BB was over 6ft BTK was 5.5.
Source citation please. According to Morrison, as well as Roberts' doctor and the man who prepared his body for burial, Brushy was 5'8 . According to JH Koogler of The Las Vegas Gazette, who interviewed Billy while he was being transported to Mesilla to stand trial Billy the Kid was 5'8.
Awesome work my friend… thank you for sharing this..
Excellent
Thanks
It’s about time others are finally listening and looking at the actual facts’ I have ripped through the interviews and autobiographical info for years’ Brushy had way to much inside and personal information that only a man who knew the actual people and families of that era would know’ I hope that these facts finally vindicate the poor man who was forced to live his life like an outcast for doing for the right thing’ even in the end when he did not have to say who he was and die in obscurety finally came out to be pardoned’ nothing more! Then drug through the mud with people claiming he was not who he said he was’ corruption does more to ruin people than anything else’ the media and papers of that time made him out to be a fool and he died broke and scared after a lifetime of looking over his shoulder’ a travesty that can not be forgiven and deserves to be told.
awesome video...i watched all of it. It is amazing. I believed Brushy Bill Roberts is really Billy the Kid.
keep in mind it was the 40s brushy knew things he couldnt have known without having internet or personally speaking to everyone who was there, but when u have people who rode with the kid saying its him, hard to deny someone whos known him all his life
Good video, I think that Brushy Bill was really Billy the Kid
God- I LOVE Brushy Bill. Thanks for this!
Brett i found you through Josh wild west extravaganza, you present a great product and im subed.
Thanks for watching.
I have heard Brushys voice was recorded, is this correct? If so where can it be heard?
2 copies of the interviews were known to exist. The first set of copies were in the possession of Roberts' step-grandson, Bill Allison. These tapes were loaned to researcher Frederic Bean sometime in the late 80s. W.C. Jameson wrote a book about this set of tapes in the book, Billy the Kid: The Lost Interviews. When Bean had the tapes, he noted the poor condition they were in, primarily due to the manner in which they were stored. Nonetheless, he transcribed them and these transcripts served as the premise for the book that he and Jameson collaborated on, The Return of the Outlaw Billy the Kid. Following Allison's death, the tapes along with Roberts' trunk were taken by a family member. And from there no one knows what became of either the tapes or Roberts' trunk. As far as the 2nd set of tapes goes: I found a letter Morrison wrote just a few months before his death revealing the location of the tapes. Right before the pandemic hit in early 2020 I contacted the institution and was told they had several items donated by Morrison, and they believed they might have them and just had to figure out exactly where they were being stored. The pandemic forced us to temporarily pause in our search efforts, but I'm optimistic that sometime this summer or fall I'll be able to locate them...if they still exist. If I do locate them, I will put them up here on TH-cam. I do have a copy of an old recording of Roberts talking, but it's in extremely poor condition, and if I can clean it up a little I'll post it here on my channel. Thanks for watching.
@@brushybret Did Roberts ever talk of what happened the night Garret supposedly shot him?... Whose in that grave?... I find that it is more likely than not that this was Billy The Kid, in fact when all is considered I would be shocked if he wasn't.
@@dougcasey6117 Yes, he did, and I'll be covering that in a video in the near future. Thanks for watching.
@@brushybret I'll be watching, it seems to me the facts are wilder than the fiction. Good presentation by the way, you made the topic very interesting.
Great research and good story telling. How amazing those time where its a great debate. And love to imagine that the kid did not get killed by pat. I'm from NM and have family in Lincoln. I have been to Billy the Kid day's in Lincoln if you have never been I suggest you go .
I've been to Lincoln several times and I absolutely love it! You're absolutely right about Billy the Kid day's in Lincoln, as it's a must for any fan of Billy the Kid and Lincoln County War history. Thanks for watching.