Stock Engine GTR with bigger turbos- How much power and is it safe?
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- Ever wonder what you can push your stock engine GTR to? Alex explains in detail some key factors to look at when you are pushing the stock engine.
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Alex:;
I am 73 years old and a Ph.D in Applied Physics, EE and Control Engineering[ Robotic/Motion Control Algorithms] but also
real gearhead, focusing primarily on Nissans: L24. L26, L28, SR20, VG30, RB 25.26,VQ30,35,37 HR and
VR38, building and enhanced ECU design, for the last 40 years.
You presentation is absolutely magnificent.
Your manner and information is so accurate and the experience in your Videos is extremely polished.
Your information is so well thought out and is accurate, and to the point.
That is so refreshing compared to the mostly "garbage" on TH-cam.
Just want to give you props and thank you for your videos.
Best Regards and Good Health,
Phil Maiorca
Still addicted to this car Alex, 800hp is perfect for the street and so far very reliable!
1st minute of hearing you explain. I subscribe immediately!
Same
Same here
This is beautifully explained! Great video
Great numbers!! Thanks for all the knowledgeable info!
Thanks! What else would you like to see from our channel?
Awesome content thanks for the clarification. 🙏🙏🙏
Thanks David! What else would you like to see from our channel?
Very helpful information great job guys
This guy is excellent in the delivery of information.
Thank you for this video, I'm in this position right now adding an Alpha 9+ kit onto my stock powertrain. Great video, great info!
Thank you for the comment! Enjoy your new found power!
How did it hold up now that it’s been a couple years?
@@portlandGTRjust fine, car is solid and taking a beating zero issues. It’s all in the tuning
@@Icount23hell yeah! I just did upgraded turbos on my 2017. They still have room but she’s at 836/652 to the tires. Shep 1.5 is all for transmission work so not going any more til that and rods are sorted. May not even do more. It’s a blast to drive and takes 99% of the cars out that I come across except for other GTR’s 😂 enjoy man
tank you for the video
Thank you For the Information love your videos to bad I'm in Australia Brother
Very informative thanks
The perfect GTR, pure turbo e85 tuned FBO.
Dude knows his shit
Ty
I like the sub my boy
I have a gtr looking to go bigger turbos. Just got my ecutek and id1300x injectors. Subbed for info and maybe tune . im in dallas tx
Curtis, How do you plan on moving forward with your plan? Feel free to email us to discuss! sales@bcpdirect.com
I feel like upgrading stock turbo's and keeping torque low while more linear is better suited for a track car. These days anything under 750 or so wheel hp is getting left in rolls. At least in FL and TX
On the internet everyone has a fast car. If you are going 60-130 on the street in under 6 seconds you are beating 99% of what you come across but I agree, there's always someone faster! This upgrade really makes the car feel like it has longer legs.
does this also have intake manifold or header upgrades?
I’m at 836/654 in my 2017 with upgraded stock frame turbos. Definitely has room to go but my pockets don’t if I break anything. Shep 1.5 billet 1st gear is all that’s done to the transmission. I broke my stock 2018 GTR’s transmission at just 563/603tq and 12k miles on the car. Snapped 3rd gear so this isn’t gospel by any means but yes, 650tq is always the number I’ve heard quoted. Good video here guys
Been working on R35s for 11 years and can honestly say I’ve never seen a stock gear failure on a low torque car. Did see it once on a built car with stock gearset. I think you had the anomaly! Thanks for the comment on the video! 🙏🏻
What are your thoughts on the pure1000 turbo kit for the GTR? Is that what this care got? Thank you
Hi, I would like to know how many whp of stock engine limit ?
So its not recommend getting the rde1000hp upgraded turbos? Its a stock gtr btw.
what size turbos you swap out?
Do you guys tune VQ37? How can I reach you for more questions?
Great video, but wanted to know if you're still running the same type of spark plugs, or one step colder? My GT-R is tuned, doing about 600 at the wheel, so should I run a, 1 step colder plug? Thank you.
Its using; spdbydesign.com/product/ngk-japan-vr38dett-race-spark-plugs-heat-range-9/
Is This GTR on cobbs v3?
i have 650whp/800nm on stock turbos on e85 aka pumpgas in Sweden :D
Hi guys, I really enjoyed your video as it when straightforward to the matter on hand. I have a 2016 Black Ed with Cobb carbon intakes, 1050x ID injectors, DW pumps and HKS mid pipe. The car has 600whp-625trg on 104 Oct & 568whp on 93. I live in PR & pump E85 is not available & can Ethanol is $85.00 per 5 gals. Here the weather is 95-100% humidity & super hot all year around. My next upgrade will be FBO with AMS Race IC & AMS DPs. My tuner gave me good feedback about the Boost Logic 750X V2 turbos. Have you worked those? If so, what is your take on them?
Saludos.
The 750x turbos are great, you will like them and they will offer more efficient performance in your temperature area. Thanks for the comment!
@@boostcontrolledperformance1523 what about some universal garrets
If 650 tq is the safe spot( stock) then this motor is ridiculously monstrous...cant wait to put some bigger turbos on my redsport to hold tht torque curve better at higher rpms
its actually very weak with its cast rods.
A stock s52 can handle 700wtq and so can an s54. Now that is monstrous.
A stock s52 can handle 700wtq and so can an s54. Now that is monstrous.
@@sebastianromero420 b58 900 as of yesterday
@@carmello000jp yeah well it’s a matter of time until you crack a ringland with those cast pistons 😂
Pure 1,000’s or which pure’s were they?
Just subscribe, you guys the kind of tunner I been looking for. Will definitely contact you guys when I’m ready for a upgrade. Do you offer remote tune for cobb access port? Glad I found your channel.
Good information to know. I got 102k miles on my motor and oil pressure gauge shows good pressure above 20 psi and under 30 psi. Would a turbo upgrade hurt the motor? It's a full bolt on Gtr .
102k?!?! On a VR38?!?! Good god almighty what’s it at now? Need to rebuild that thing just because that’s a ton of miles on any boosted car stock or not lol
how can i get info for shipping
Got some questions on a 2012 alpha 7. Never owned one but I won one or 93 rx7 and have no clue what I'm dealing with be awesome if I can talk to u to get some pointers
Thinking on ordering these Pure turbos real soon as my fbo e85 setup is starting to be slow to me lol. How much faster is a bolt on e85 car on Pures vs a stock turbo bolt on e85 car? Lets say a roll race how much faster? 1 car 2 cars 3 cars a bus length? Also I’m guessing 1/4 mile trap speed should be some where in the high 140’s? As stock turbos tend to go 133-136 on the norm...
Its considerably faster than before! ;-)
Bro go to the R35 Nissan GTR group page in Facebook, there is a recent video from a roll race between a full bolt on GTR with stock turbos vs a full bolt on GTR plus upgrade aftermarket turbos that was making this same car 800 WHP. In the top end the moded GTR put buses length in the stock turbo GTR 😉.
Great video like the detail information. Haven’t seen anybody on TH-cam break it down so the average person can understand and limit their expectations.
I’m looking to buy a GTR always been my dream car. Beside a Lamo. Where are you located in at he states? I’m in California
I like to take my GTR straight to get upgrade. Already pre approved just looking for the right GTR. Any suggestions when buying a GTR?
in terms of breaking things (engine/trans), is there a difference between 600torque at 3500rpms vs 600torque at 6800rpms?
yes, big difference! this is what kills stock engines- high torque at low rpms.
Trying to decide if I should stay FBO e85 or dish out the cash for upgraded turbos. Do you feel like the performance difference is sufficiently noticeable to justify the turbo upgrade? Is the quarter mile time that much better with upgraded turbos?
Joel, The performance difference with turbos is SIGNIFICANT. 60-130mph on stock turbos in very good conditions will be high 6s. With turbos, low 5s.
The acceleration, especially at higher speeds, is what changes. It doesn't "fall on it's face" like it does with the stock turbos.
@@boostcontrolledperformance1523 Thanks for your response! That's very helpful. Im considering installing the AAM 1600 Garrett turbo. Do you think I can safely lower that 60-130 time to the 4-second range on the stock engine and trans. Eventually I want to maximize these turbos to 1400 WHP after an engine and trans upgrade.
So if I wanted to increase my torque numbers I would have to build my transmission and somewhat the engine sense they go hand in hand?
that's exactly right! Engine (rods) and Transmission (clutch) are the focal points.
Out of curiosity what exhaust is this car running? Sounded nice.
HKS legamax. Thanks for the comment!
So my question is on a 17’ to 20’ GTR which if I’m correct are the same and have 565 hp. If you want to get the car to 600 whp. What would you suggest? And being the exhaust is titanium is it possible to retain that exhaust and just upgrade the mid pipe and I’m guessing you will say intakes plus tune. Thanks for your input.
Philip Klipper great question. The fuel you run greatly impacts the outcome. On 91/93 you would need a good turbo-back exhaust, injectors, fuel pump, ideally an upgraded intercooler, and intakes to achieve a true 600whp on pump gas. If you want to run E85, this number is easily attainable with just the intakes, injectors, and fuel pumps.
Thanks I’m on the east coast in the ny area. I’ve been watching a 19’ at a dealer for a while now. I’m in the process of selling a few things and then I will pull the trigger. I’m currently driving a 17’ Infiniti QX 70 S as my daily. Thanks for your input.
nice MoTeC hat
4:28 dyno test
Hey I like the background photo,what city is it if you don’t mind ?
Hp isn’t the issue it’s the torque. You need to keep it around 650tq, HP wise you good up to as much as 900+ but that’s not possible while keeping the torque that low...so we generally see 820 to 850 whp on boost logic 750x and Cico performance gateways
Agreed, HP is what people ask and we explain why TQ matters in the video! Thanks for the comment! :D
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I have a question about the limits of the factory block from the vr38,how much power does the stock block alone can handle if I have forged internals(pistons and rods).What is the limit before the pistons and everything else visits the moon,and what kind of power would be healthy to run with the stock block?
Thanks in advance you if guys could answer my questions.
I had a stage 1 block in my previous gtr, that's only rods and pistons, which can handle 1300hp, the next thing that can fail is the crank, which can handle around 1300hp or 1000wtq this is enough to walk a plaid
@@disaster6467 Thanks for the info man.It’s very hard to find this type of information online,even on forums,people hardly tell the right numbers and limits.I’m planning on forged my engine and upgrade the turbos,I’m currently running basically a FBO with the turbos from the nismo version and a built transmission,it makes 739whp and 681wtq on e85.it’s pretty descent for what it is,but now I want to reach 4 numbers to the wheels haha.
@@guilhermekr1677no problem, I had my block built by Tim Lynch, the stock block can only handle 650wtq, with upgraded turbos 650wtq takes you around 820-850whp, this is also a good stopping point for your clutches / baskets, if you're upgraded rods then the block will be easily make 13-1400 whp anything past that you will need to upgrade the crank, and your transmission after 650wtq-850whp) Will also need clutches and gear sets if you're shooting for 1300+
What's the approximate cost of the parts and labor to take a stock GTR to this level?
Great question. What mods the car already has is hugely important to answer this question. If you already have most bolt-on parts, under $10k. But if you have a bone stock car, it can easily approach $20k.
ebay for 1k 😉😂
@@boostcontrolledperformance1523 he how can I got my wick in be you it is a race 🚗 can till . my
What’s the name of your shop and where you located? Thanks
Boost Controlled Performance, Livonia Mi (Metro Detroit)!
what is the exhaust system on that car? It sounds great
It’s actually just a trombone 😂 but most all GTR’s sound about the same regardless of exhaust when they’re turbo back. All my years it’s only louder or quieter that I notice
Real answer is it looks like the HKS legamax from the tips but could be wrong
sr20 det boss my b14 like lightnine
How many bar boost at 800whp ?
Right about 1.5 bar
How has the car been holding on?
Do you guys approve the turbos ?
These are great turbos and yes we actually prefer these turbos as a stock location option!
Still running strong, thats my car in the video
@@HYPERsonic007 awesome! I just ordered a set of these
And kind of performance you get on pump fuel? 60-130? Also on e85 if u can share
thanks, guys. Good to know it costs a whooping 10.000 u$s, pretty much 3 years of savings for me haha. I'll stick to my boring 207.
This message was 3 yrs ago so I guest you have it now😅
What was the price?
20-30k depending on options
650 on 93 pump and 800 on E85 …yes..
what you mean with 650 torque? with stock engine,transmission, turbos you cant go more then 650 torque?
on my 2017 gtr, i change the intakes, injectors and put ecutek for engine and transmission. now tes 650 hp and 850nm. is that not good???
Random comment but just in case you never got an answer, 850 nm is still less than 650 foot pounds of Torque.
WOW I LISTENED TO THE REST OF THE VIDEO AND YOUR OFFERING TO DO OTHER CARS, I HOPE YOU HAVE A GOOD LAWYER BECAUSE YOUR WAY OFF YOUR ROCKER...
so 800 hp car and 600 hp car acclerate at same rate but top speed of 800hp car is higher plz correct me if i am wrong
HP is a function of torque and RPM. Simply put, this car still has a much broader torque curve than a stock turbo car and that is why it accelerates much harder.
Looks like traction issues lol
Wish I was rich enough to drop 30k in parts on a 50k car. Guess I’ll stick to my f body making 800 wheel for 5600 😂😂
For a 9 second car with the fit and finish and creature comforts of a modern car plus chassis stability, handling, braking, etc some might even say that’s cheap!
you are not getting a DBA for 50K unless it has serious problems. Please do research before you comment.
@@Executiveinvestments- this. Can’t get any under even $65k right now and if you find it it’s going to be 2009 with lots of miles
@@hermeslika7304 yep. That kid has no clue.
YOUR LOOKING AT A WHOLE LOT OF TROUBLE BECAUSE YOU DONT KNOW WHAT YOUR TALKING ABOUT..LEAVE WELL ENOUGH ALONE TILL YOU HAVE THE MONEY TO DO IT RIGHT.. AND THE ONLY PEOPLE THAT ARE QUALIFIED TO WORK ON THESE ARE THE AMS, CICIO, UNDERGROUND AND SEVERAL OTHERS..( YOU ARE NOT )... SORRY.
Thanks for the comment Erwin! Our results speak for themselves.
@@boostcontrolledperformance1523 IM IN CLEVELAND JUST UP THE STREET FROM SHEP TRANS IN MASSILON OH..THE STOCK TRANS CANT HANDLE MUCH MORE THAN STOCK WITHOUT DOING A GEAR SET BECAUSE FIRST GEAR AND FOURTH GEAR WILL NEVER LAST IF YOU LAUNCH VERY OFTEN.
@@erwinmonti5066 dude stfu, the trans can be tuned more aggressively to put more pressure on the clutches to handle this power stock, for a while. You sound ignorant. These cars are tuned by a lot of shops now, not rocket science.