I DESTROY GARBAGE HITPIECE ARTICLE CALLING STAR WARS FANS SEXIST FOR DISLIKING REY - REAL TALK
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 27 ก.ย. 2024
- These patronizers need to understand that if a majority of the fandom dislikes a character, it's not because of anything other than the poor writing and (lack thereof) character development.
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It’s not sexism to hate poorly written female characters
Exactly. But apparently, they still don't get it.
however, it IS sexist when your only basis for such argument is "they're pandering to the female demographic." or "Disney's gone woke" which is an argument that I see constantly and any time I see the word WOKE in fcking film discourse, my soul DIES a little. I hate that that word exists because it makes film discussion not fun anymore. Like the days of actually TALKING about film are fcking GONE. It's all just mindless arguing now. OR even worse people will tell you "you're overthinking it." for analyzing a film. Honey no that's what MEDIA LITERACY IS and it's a very important skill to have at that.
Bingo!
Mary Sues
It’s not poorly written. Luke had the same power boost in Empire Strikes back. It wasn’t till after the fact that books and other stories filled in the blanks explaining how Luke achieved the boost. But before any of that existed Luke miraculously became Jedi Knight strong. So stop complaining. There are plot holes and plot armor all over Lucas canon.
MEDIA: "If you don't like Rey, you're sexist!"
ME: "... But I'm a woman."
MEDIA: "You have internalized misogynie!"
ME: "No, I just don't like Mary Sue characters."
MEDIA: "REY ISN'T A MARY SUE!!!"
ME: "Do you have any idea how many thousands of fanfictions I have read in my life? Pretty sure I know what a "Mary Sue" is... Pretty sure I knew what a "Mary Sue" was long before you did."
thank you, i'm a 24 year old male and i don't know much what women are thinking because i mostly have guy friends.
But i am happy that women can also see whats going on in this crummy industry
Rey hating female fan here!! She sucks and the fact that they so blatantly made Finn and Poe pretty much idiots made the entire situation nauseating
@@JordanWheeler1999intelligent people are intelligent regardless of gender :)
Disney and Hollywood media for the past 6 years: “If you dont like Rey, Rose, Reva, and Holdo then you’re a troll, bot, bigot, sexist, racist, homophobe, and any other -ist, -ism, and -phobe you can come up with. The force is female bitch”
@@JordanWheeler1999Yes YES. People are waking up. This is what I want to see while not throwing hate. I want people to be aware and recognize the agendas at play here. Maybe another topic for another time.
But anyway, spread the word: "We don't want propaganda. We want a story."
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Main characters in each trilogy:
EP1:
- Anakin as a slave is good at podracing, and therefore a good pilot.
- Luke is a villager who has been flying for years in ships and is therefore a good pilot,
- Rey who is a scrapper is able to mindcontrol a stormtrooper, beat kylo ren, sith apprentice in 1on1 sabercombat, AND in the force.
EP2:
- Anakin is a trained jedi knight and gets bitchslapped by dooku a sith apprentice because of his lack of skill and arrogance.
- Luke fails to finish WITH YODA his training and cant lift more than 2 rocks, gets bitchslapped by vader.
- Rey trains with a broken luke who refuses to train her properly, she goes on to beat a roomful of redrobes, and once again be toe to toe with kylo.
EP3:
- Anakin now a masterful jedi knight and member of the council beats dooku, but later gets bitchslapped by obiwan his master because he still has lessons to learn,
- Luke who has now pretty much finished his training is finally able to stand toe to toe with vader, sith apprentice, yet still wins because of his heart, not his power, also gets bitchslapped by the emperor,
- Rey who has trained a little more, under the supervision of leia who didnt finish her training, is now able to grab a ship and out of nowhere obliterate it with lightning which usually takes ages to learn from a sith master, not as instinct, but she can also defeat palpatine, something luke was not able to do whatsoever after YEARS of training and supervision from yoda.
All three characters had bloodlines with huge potential. Luke and Anakin with arguably more potential, yet rey faces no challenges pertaining to her skills in the force, but only challenges in her emotions.
Beautifully put!
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Using the term "bitchslapped" over & over was really goofy 😂
This comment is gold and should be pinned on top
@@webstersempire and yet true none the less
Bad writing and no planning doesn’t make us sexist , if Disney actually planned and wrote a good female character we would be simping over her but they dropped the ball on the sequels.
@bryantmartinez9936 Exactly!😊 People are waking up. This is what I want to see while not throwing hate. I want people to be aware and recognize the agendas at play here. Maybe another topic for another time.
But anyway, spread the word: "We don't want propaganda. We want a story."
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@@tufflucal4037 exactly ! It’s tragic but it’s crazy how Lucas predicted this way long ago
@@BryantMartinez94 What did he predict?
yeah, it's not like she really needs to save the galaxy in real life - JUST . . get good writers, they should or could had even consulted with many of the expanded universe authors I mean WTFLOCKINS
No one believed me when I said it, but when Disney first bought Lucas Film, I told my friends, “Disney is going to ruin Star Wars.” I don’t have the words to express how much I wish I had been wrong about that.
It’s telling how those who constantly accuse Star Wars’ fans as being “toxic” are often the one’s who are in fact the most toxic. Projection is a hell of a drug.
If people have to ram down your throat how good a character is they’re probably not that good of a character
😂😂 perfectly said
Lol, this definitely applies to Annie as well.
@@lookingforwookiecopilotShe is not even worthy of being a Darth. Ren yes. Darth no
That's cap, that's literally what eveyone does with anakin/vader and for good reason because they are loved characters. When u love something u heavily defend it and try to spread it. These people love their ideology not rey so they will keep defending rey to push their ideology on people
@@cosmickeyboard9811 So much love for the whiny/gullible younglingslayer, but none for poor Rey? :(
Disney shills don't even comprehend how starwars was before Disney took over. What kind of abilities a person can inherently have from being force sensitive is one of the biggest things.
You are sexist
Your pissed of Rey was the hero and not Luke
Rey is not poorly written
Young girl raised herself on Jakku
To overcome all the odds
Trains with leia for 1 year
Looming for her idneity and where she belongs
When she finds out she’s Palpatine she runs away
Afraid that she turn to the dark side
She understands some things are stronger than blood
Connecting back to episode 5
Yoda saying
Luminous creatures wee are not this crude matter.
i cant tell if this is a joke or not, i hope it is.@@ChosenOne-il4bm
These folks aren't even the majority of fans whom enjoy some of the media since Lucasfilm was acquired.
@AshanBhatoa they're not but they're certainly the loudest and they like to act like us fans from pre Disney don't matter. Acting like our childhood adventures reading comics and novels and playing the games like all of that doesn't matter.
Yep, you can use the force to hit your mark, to be a suber studd race car driver, and to pull your sabre from the snow, but using the Jedi mind trick on a mindless trooper? NO NO NO, THAT'S JUST RIDICULOUS! 😂😂😂
“Hey media, we hate poorly written male characters too”
“…Impossible”
lmao
I See Through The Lies Of The Disney!
"It's BS I did not hit her. I did not... Oh hi Mark!" I rest my case
@@fosphor8920 TOMMY IS THE EXCEPTION
"We called out how poorly-written Luke was, going against the core of his previously established traits. We called out how underutilized and forgotten Finn was as a character. We called out how bizarre and sudden Palpatine's return as the overall villain was instead of Snoke who ended up being a glorified meat puppet. We called out how pointless Captain Phasma was, a FEMALE antagonist, who got hyped up but was ultimately irrelevant. But the female protagonist who can do everything gets called out and suddenly it's because of sexism and misogyny? As if we think Rey is the only problem with the movies just because she has a vagina? Suuuuuure."
"How dare you bring logic into this! Discrimination!"
The part that kills me the most, aside from the fact that her skills essentially minimize the importance of any other characters (both prior to the sequels and in the sequels...they did my boy Finn dirty), is the fact that every action, decision, behavior, and emotion that Rey displays screams "Dark Side" in any other Star Wars media. She is impulsive, aggressive, somewhat fearful of both injury and loss, and gets angry quickly. She doesn't get the answers she wants from Luke and decides to start swinging lightsabers with him. Just take what the Jedi Council says of Anakin in The Phantom Menace, or what Yoda and Obi-wan say to Luke in the OT. Rey would be straight up glowing red by TRoS if the rules of the Star Wars universe and the Force actually applied to her.
As an added detail about Anakin piloting the N-1 Starfighter in Episode 1, nearly everything he did while in the cockpit was either by mistake or by giving control over to R2. When he got in the ship, he was hitting random buttons and stuff trying to figure out how to shoot at the the destroyer droids. Once he was inside of the blockade ship, he blew up the reactor purely on accident while trying to defend himself from encroaching battle droids. Even then he barely escaped. He didn't just jump in the ship, and was like, eh capital ship, piece of cake. It was mostly luck.
"In my experience there's no such thing as luck"
So a ginger once told me.
A very salient point 8748
Stuff like this makes real sexists look a lot better than they actually are by lumping them in with people who are simply criticizing bad writing in movies
You know the Star Wars scripts have been terrible lately when all the excitement comes from personal attacks.
@magnusmotor1364 You know it's more than just Star Wars right? It is a theme and imposed on EVERY mainstream media or any kind of entertainment really.
What most people are unaware of, is that it is orchestrated behind, big companies and corporations that have the public's attention.
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@@tufflucal4037 Jeeezus... that's complex.
There's two lines I really dislike in TLJ and TROS "Bested by a girl who never held a lightsaber, you failed!" and "A scavenger girl is no match in the power within me!" Both make good statements for taking shots at Rey's true flaws, but I feel like they're saying girl too much like they want them to be misogynistic. And I feel like they wrote those lines based on what fans said, then antagonize it
NAH UH!!! Rey would’ve been a great character if they wrote her better. Where tf did sexism come from? Like a very very small percentage of the fandom…probably. but I think we can all agree that Rey (and the entire sequal trilogy) is just horribly written.
Lucasfilm has been attacking fans since the sequel trilogy started. Calling anyone who disagrees or criticizes them sexist, racist etc. This is typical behavior for them at this point.
Rey was written? She feels like an amalgamation of hollywood trends and rage bait tactics used by writers to keep themselves being paid longer by saying "fans are sexist" finding sexist fans making reaciton videos, going "SEE?!" and the fake fans going : "Omg you anti SJdubyas are so racist duh duh duh." and the shareholders and bosses don't give a shit as long as tickets sell and are happy to go along with it.
Well, now tickets ain't selling. . . . . .
:/
Right now there is far more sexism towards men than women, but because it's men it's funny and brushed off
she could have been great, but disney threw it out the window.
17:30 in a new hope didn't Luke's friend say, as soon as he got to the rebel base "I can vouch for him he was the best pilot in our group" or something like that? Like that one line explained that Luke was a trained pilot and a damn good one.
Yup. They establish several times Luke is an excellent pilot in ANH: Obi wan saying he's heard about Luke's piloting (in the same sentence as saying Anakin was the best fighter pilot in the galaxy), Biggs to the Red leader saying he's the best bush pilot in the outer rim, Luke to Obi wan saying he's not a bad pilot himself when the Luke didn't like Hans price, and Luke boosting about shooting womp rats from his T-16.
Them using the “granddaughter” excuse is like me being able to play Mozarts Turkish March after 3 days on the piano, just because my grandpa was a piano virtuoso. Just because you’re related to someone powerful doesn’t mean you just automatically learn their abilities too. You need to HONE them, and it takes TIME
Oooooor you go dark side to cut some corners... Thats the Star Wars deal 😅🤷♀️
A great example is Luke and Anakin, Luke wasn't extremely powerful since the first movie despite being the son of the literal chosen one, Luke had to train to become powerful.
I feel so bad for Daisy Ridley. She's a good actress that was put in movies with low effort and even lower understanding of Star Wars and character development. It reminds me of how Hayden didn't have much to work with in the prequels because George isn't great at dialog and did the best he could with what he got.
I feel bad for her too
@@alexwest2573Same
Rae had very significant piloting experience though. She put on that rebel pilot helmet while she was chewing with her mouth open. That clearly has to count for something.... Come on Theory, how did you miss that?
HAHA! This is great lol!!
She said in the force awakens she hss flown many times but never left the planet
@@robpettigrew3308ewhen
@@robpettigrew3308 SHOW DON'T TELL
@@valentinlageot4101 when they did show people complained about her being a mary sue .
She said she had flown then showed she could fly. Yet here we are. People still complain even though it was spoon fed to them
Just as a reminder, Anakin actually DID perform pod racing prior to when Qui-Gon and Obi-Wan visited him and his mom. He mentioned how there was a huge prize at the end of the race that could be used to pay repairs for the hyperdrive on the royal Naboo starship. Shmi said how dangerous it was and Qui-Gon even said you need light speed reactions as well to compete. Very fast, very dangerous. Also, Anakin built his pod racer from scratch, so of course he would know the ins and outs on how it works. He competed and won against some of the fastest and best pod racers in the galaxy(just that one time), so of course he would be pretty gifted enough to pilot a starfighter. (btw, he crashed it in the hanger of the Lucrehulk and made his star fighter’s systems over heat on him. I think R2 helped him out of that pickle. Plus he flew into the space battle while still on autopilot. In my opinion, because he was still a kid and he didn’t know anything that he was doing, he didn’t force anything or any outcome. He was just trying not to die. Which allowed the Force to guide his actions unbeknownst to him. Because honestly it would be pretty stupid of the force to literally create the answer to the dark side only to have it be destroyed in a predicament it placed him in.) So yeah, Anakin is the main hero, but he’s a flawed and imperfect. This is a story about the tragedy and redemption of a hero. Rey is just some typical stuff you would predict would happen in Encanto. The sequel trilogy contains the thought process of a generic isekai story. No poetry, it doesn’t rhyme.😏
I like how they say “it took an entire trilogy” when the first two movies happen in 2 weeks and the next movie happens a few months later
They can't win this fight. The fans make you. Without fans, you're "NOTHING!" nothing.
Love your content Star Wars Theory. Keep it pushing brotha.
I would like this comment, but it's at 66, so it's a perfect like amount (referring to order 66)
overcoming failure is what makes us root for a character, both Anakin and Luke came out the other side missing limbs and plenty of scars while Ray remained untouched. The writing robbed us of being worried about if she was going to make it or not, if she failed and then overcame after Leias training everyone would have been rooting for her
Yeah Luke lost his hand in cloud city, Anakin lost his hand in geonosis to dooku, Vader also lost all 4 limbs to Obi Wan on mustafar. Rey on the other hand lost 0 limbs in all 3 movies
Kathleen Kennedy strikes again
And every true fan of Star Wars can't wait for her be striked, and get out of there leaving space for someone who understands the saga, has respect for the legacy and the characters, and doesn't keep using Star Wars as a political flag, feminism, ideology and a idiot activism.
Darth Kennedy. 🤣😂
I think Kathleen actually wrote that article under a pseudonym.
The thing that kills me is that Rey had potential in TFA to be a decent character. She was actually kinda likable barring her OP Force powers. She was a nobody from some desert planet who was used to being alone, but once she became your friend, she was loyal and cared. She was rough around the edges and used to reacting on gut instinct, all things that could be used as developmental points later in the series. It was like, when TLJ dropped, they just dumped all of her likable traits out the window: she runs off on all of her friends for some dude who essentially mentally assaulted her in the first movie, who killed her father-figure, and who almost killed her best friend. Then she spends ROS being an absolutely unlikable jerk, running off on her friends again, and generally being unlikable and OP as hell and they also shoehorned her in as being a Palpatine because having her just be a nobody was too boring for whoever was directing the scriptwriters. She's a textbook Mary Sue, and it baffles me how Disney keeps buckling down on it being the viewers who are wrong instead of just taking the L and admitting that changing directors and writers mid-series was a mistake.
I wouldn't call the people who say Rey is a Mary Sue sexist because those same people more often than not praise well written female characters. For example, Jyn Erso, Ahsoka, Ripley and those are just to name a few.
Or you know maybe... Princess Leia 😂, I've never heard anyone complain about her character. These articles are so dumb
dont forget that no one hated on jaina solo, jarael, Celeste Morne, mara jade etc etc etc when they first appeard but allot of the fandom loved those characters
I wouldn't call Jyn Erso or Ahsoka well written female characters. Maybe Bastila Shan, Satele Shan, Kreia/Darth Traya, and Mara Jade instead.
Rule of not making a Mary Sue #1: Show it don't just tell.
Rule #2: Write a good character don't just write a female character.
Rule #3: Don't scream ism just because your Fandom hates a character you gave a single trait...gender.
Mommy Erso
Nice to finally have you in the fight, Theory. It's been a rough several years.
It really hasn’t, it’s always been a very small, loud, angry minority on both sides really, true Star Wars fans…are calm
@@John14710like a Jedi
@@John14710 I disagree. The hype and excitement for Star Wars has dwindled greatly. They’ve destroyed so many legacies of iconic characters that fans grew up with and idolized. Luke, Han, Boba, Obi-Wan, Thrawn, Lando, Admiral Ackbar, even Din. Look at the viewership of newly published Star Wars lore videos on TH-cam. It’s decreased greatly, because so many fans have lost interest in the lore and theories because of the damage Disney has done. The majority of Star Wars TH-camrs are struggling to get views on their videos now, because of how terrible Disney Star Wars has become, and Skeleton Crew and The Acolyte aren’t going to help. Jango Fett and Qui-Gon Jinn have been my favorite Star Wars characters for 20+ years, and I don’t want Disney touching them whatsoever. Disney doesn’t understand Star Wars. Period. They care more about agendas than storytelling.
@@John14710true fans eat everything disney spoon feeds them and they love it right?? Or am I not a true fan because my name isn't something cringe like Vader or something.
@@BaldingSince1999 ye because there’s nothing cringe about zane😂
Hating Rey and sequels means you’re too MUCH of a SW fan rather than a toxic or ist-a-phobic fan (or not a real one). These people are delusional.
Loving Rey and the sequels you have people telling you your not a true fan...Which is also delusional.
Lucas' original plan for the sequels was brilliant. Darth Maul (with bionic legs) leading a criminal syndicate? Luke rebuilding the Jedi, while Leia rebuilds democracy. Plenty of strong female characters to choose from, such as Mara Jade and Luke and Leia's offspring. Instead, the clowns at Disney gave us three movies that don't make any sense. With Ahsoka, we saw her struggle AND learn from Anakin. Kylo Ren had tons of training in fighting and using the force. Rey picks up a light saber and defeats him with no training? THESE ARE THE REASONS the sequels sucked so bad, and it has nothing to do with misogyny.
Hit the nail on the head.
I like how journalists tell us that "prequel dialogues are garbage" and quote them. "Cloud their judgement", etc.
Anakin blew up the command ship by accident. He was trying to override the autopilot when he grabbed the weapon control system. He didn't do it intentionally. He was either lucky, or the force was REALLY with him.
There is no Luck. There is the Force.
Little from Column A, little from Column B.
Or the real hero was actually R2-D2, who pretty much saves the day in almost every movie.
@stuartspencer2161 thank you. I've always said without R2D2 there would be no Skywalkers, lol.
Annie was off the autopilot long before he flew into that hanger, was not killed because of his plot armour, then blew up the ship because he's the awesomest Jedi ever!
Let's not forget that even Palpatine went through some brutal training under the tutelage of Darth Plagueus to become the powerhouse that he was.
Further supporting Luke’s ability in piloting an X-Wing was that he was flying his own T-16 Skyhopper for years prior. He and Biggs Darklighter would have races through Beggars Canyon, so that no doubt had something to do with his “unprecedented abilities”
“You hate strong women” but what about Ashoka, padme, Bo Katan, Satine, Aayla secura, leia, Hera, mon mothma, asajj ventress, etc. such clowns 🤡
SJWs: Well you hated the Ahsoka show based on the views so I guess you never liked her. LOL.
I want a Jar-Jar Binks movie. Not even Darth Jar-Jar, just regular Jar-Jar.
I grew up on the OT and thank God you, who is younger than me, has not been emasculated and has the b@lls to speak truth. I wish there were more younger guys like you to speak up
I mean...just the way your wrote this comment makes you sound like the 1% of the Fandom that causes the rest of us to look bad and get called ism's.
I was raised on the OT, watched the PT in theaters, have read every novel and comic, watched every cartoon and show, have more collectibles than I can display, and after reading your comment understand why some people call the fanbase toxic.
@@a_troll_ we're just tired of the emasculation agenda disney pushes
@@a_troll_Nobody asked for you to flex your virgin status
The issue with Rey in my opinion was no character development. No arc, or growing as a person. She's just good at everything and can do no wrong.
Thank you for mentioning Tartakovsky’s “Clone Wars.” Disney seems to forget that series is the literal bridge between episodes 2 & 3.
As someone who is a black belt in weapons, I can tell you that a bow staff, and a sword do not handle the same way. It took me years to master the bow and another year to learn the katana. Instinct isn’t going to save you no matter how intelligent you are if you’ve never actually handled it before it’s not actually going to translate anything this is why just because you’ve played call of duty doesn’t mean you know how to fire a rifle in real life.
If they hadn’t deleted the original script, they were going to use for the last Jedi Ray would’ve been a much more believable character. at least there they had an explanation that gave some respect to Luke
pretty sure Luke was at flight academy of some sort. Not sure, but I'm pretty sure in the deleted scenes they show something about it.
Great breakdown, Theory! And when it comes to Luke's piloting abilities in the OG, don't forget that he'd been flying T-16 Skyhoppers for years -- and they operate using very similar control systems to the X-Wing!
Yap, i was wondering if someone will bring that fact up. And there was a nod that Luke did trained with Biggs, before Biggs got into the Academy.
Hit the nail on the head with this one. I've often indulged in a bit of head cannon and speculations to fix things that bug me with movies, but I'd never go out the way to claim it's fact and put in the work for someone else's shit story telling by writing a 'journalistic piece' on it.
17:00 Also he'd raced multiple times, failed a ton, never even finishing a race before, and trashed Watto's podracer in the previous race. He is established as having this experience. If they had picked up some random kid off the street that had never even driven a speeder before and dropped him in the race and he won THAT would analogous to Rey.
You are sexist
Your pissed of Rey was the hero and not Luke
Rey is not poorly written
Young girl raised herself on Jakku
To overcome all the odds
Trains with leia for 1 year
Looming for her idneity and where she belongs
When she finds out she’s Palpatine she runs away
Afraid that she turn to the dark side
She understands some things are stronger than blood
Connecting back to episode 5
Yoda saying
Luminous creatures wee are not this crude matter.
@@ChosenOne-il4bm Cope harder.
@@ChosenOne-il4bm You are allowed to like bad characters and poorly written stories. There are plenty of those that I like. Just don't demanding that longtime fans of a universe accept them as competent when they are clearly not. I don't like Kylo's character either, I think they did a huge disservice to Finn, and had no idea what to do with Poe. The creators are not good story-tellers, and it probably stems from a complete lack of experience outside of cushy, pampered, degenerate and pandered to Hollywood.
We just want well written stories that don't contradict the already established lore. That's all. I don't care if they want to make the main character every possible minority in the book, so long as they actually have good character development and story.
I love how this person who wrote the article doesnt even know basic things like Finn being trained as a storm trooper or how dark side works lol
What if after Empire Strikes Back, in Return of The Jedi they subverted our expectations by having Vader be like “I was just joking about being your father, your dad was a nobody” Gotcha! 😂
Well dissected and put 👍🏼 As a fan myself, I’ve realized that we sadly have to abandon whatever George intended for the characters and the saga, and accept our hopes and expectations are not going to be inline with what Disney is producing under the Star Wars titles.
I respect Theory for fighting the good fight, always enjoy hearing his take, and am glad his channel exists and allows him to generate an income for his time put into the opinions/content he creates. I’m feeling like Disney has made it clear they know what it wants to do and can’t be deaf to what George intended. It’s not his saga anymore and anyone expecting that to change is going to be sorely disappointed. Which sucks but is reality.
Has there ever been a Star Wars, Marvel, Disney, etc. movie that was genuinely awesome that bombed, because it starred a woman. I'm not saying sexism doesn't exist, but I'm tired of being blamed for not liking shitty writing!
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I'm just gonna say this one thing: how the fans have treated discussion regarding the Sequel Trilogy is _incredibly_ disappointing to see. Even with Marvel discourse, or DC discourse, the fandoms there haven't devolved so much as to completely lack media literacy like the Star Wars fandom has. ANY time someone says ONE positive thing about the ST, it's countered with someone spewing BS towards that person. If someone says they like Rey, they are for lack of a better word, attacked.
Whatever happened to having civil discussions without the word "woke" and "cope" entering the mix? Are we that braindead? Are people that simplistic that they can't have real, grounded reasons for not liking a film aside from regurgitating what everyone else says? I feel like proper film discussion is a dying skill. And it's sad to see. It's absurd. It's history repeating itself cause REMEMBER when everyone said George KILLED your childhood with the PT? It's getting tiring. There are people in this fandom, who _legitimately_ like the Sequel Trilogy. And I can't help but imagine how they must feel to see a bunch of adults, act like *children* when it comes to discussing these movies. It's absolutely pathetic.
I love this comment. Unfortunately star wars theory has turned into someone who chooses to push negativity in the star wars TH-cam community. Feels like he's become part of the fandom menace, and that's upsetting.
cope
the movies were poorly written. cope.
Remember when we all thought Mara Jade was kind of Mary Sueish? If only we knew the horrendous writing that was Rey, we'd take it all back. 😂
I think there's definitely a problem in the fandom with as you said the "isms". It may not be that everyone that doesn't like the prequels fits that box, but I think it's naive to deny the problem.
They start accusing you of the -ism's when they don't have an actual argument.
I love Daisy. She was fantastic as Rey. I loved Rey in ep 7. However, they absolutely damaged her in the next episodes.
Daisy even said that they didn't had a plan. She deserves better. EVERY CHARACTER in the sequels deserved better.
Which I agree 100 times over, but obviously I’m just irrelevant.
But not us
There is a fanfilm (in fact more) about alternative ST. Star wars revitalized. Try it. Maybe you will love this rey version. She is called Rey Solana there.
Headline: Jacked Star Wars head, absolutely destroys entire journalism field.
These people need to let it go, the movie's are terrible and your arguments for the movies and calling "Star Wars fans" sexist are garbage!!
It's sad that you have to touch in these things now but it's appreciated 🙏. Alot of people have finally reached their breaking point with all this finger pointing at the fan base when all we wanted was top quality, non-preachy content that respected the characters we grew up with. Thanks Man‼️🙏
At this point, they just want to get passionate fans riled up on the internet to paint their narrative. For Luke’s X-Wing run, he already had prior experience running canyons on Tatoonie and even when he trusted the force, the only thing that saved him from being blasted away by a more experienced and powerful Vader was Han coming to the rescue. Regardless of if Rey’s epiphany helped her connect with the force, she was not skilled enough to beat Kylo at that point in time and would’ve needed a bail out.
Ho boy, there is a huge difference between being a scrapyard worker, engineer, and pilot. Being one would not immediately make you good at any of the others. That article makes me feel physical pain.
I was really excited when I went to see the first "Rey" movie in the cinema. And I really liked Rey in the beginning, I thought the actor fitted well for a new Jedi hero and I was happy to embrace her. Initially I was also kind of excited when I left the theatre but I also had a bad feeling in the back of my head. The next day I started to think about my concerns. And indeed there were a couple of things that really worried me. The last two movies destroyed it finally for me. Not because of Rey or the actor, or because the hero was a women. It was the incoherent and in the result bad writing behind the shows. What a pity! Thank you STW for your content. Saw you with MauLer and Ryan. Great to see you guys discuss the pros and cons. Kind regards from Germany!
"I understand you've become quite a pilot yourself."
-Obi-Wan to Luke in A New Hope
Luke literally owned and operated his own T-16 Skyhopper when he lived on Tatooine.
What they say about people watching as they were the director and they’re “right or wrong” Is the truest thing this article stated… but they’re trying to push that narrative in the wrong context to boost their egos
Luke was also already a pilot on Tatooine. Blasting womprats in Beggars Canyon.
Training has been such a big thing in starwars, but sequel forgot.
Theory, you could not have said it more clearer or better! This article was clearly written without any real research done, 0 due diligence and with an evil agenda to call out those who simply did not like the "Rey trilogy". I love all star wars movies but Episodes 7, 8 and 9 were a pure disappointment not because of Rey the actor, but because of Rey the character. And oh the writers, don't get me started.
Ultimately, well said mate!
Agreed the article was clearly written by Journos, Corpos, and presstitute fake "fans" lol!
Padme literally asks Anakin "Youre a pilot?" and hes responds "all my life" lol
The only thing this prequel hater article writer remembers is the angel line
For those people who say we fans are sexist: My favorite ten SW characters include Mara Jade, Leia Organa Solo, Jaina Solo, and Tenel Ka. Four of those are women warriors, two of those are women in positions of power, one of those is disabled, and zero of those characters require people to defend their blandness (or rather, their lack thereof) because they were written interestingly and with care.
On the other hand, Rey, New Sabine, New Ahsoka, New Hera, Bo-Katan, and Reva are all written to be right, to win everything, and to not need anything useless like character development. Seriously, how did you make Ahsoka so boring? At least Daisy Ridley showed emotion!
Theory looking pretty damn swole.
"It's his traps!" - Admiral Acbar voice
Ackbar* 🤦🏼♂️
Great video as always, you didn't attack the person who wrote this garbage article and also explained thoroughly why Rey's character is written so poorly, I will add though Daisy did a fantastic job with what she was handed with imo. and I know Theory never attacked Daisy or anything its just a shame because she's a really good actress, Disney should be ashamed they let the cast and most importantly the fans down.
It’s hilarious how this debate still exists to this day😂 I think even the writers would agree she is a Mary Sue
About the pod racing comment, Anakin had never won or even finished a race until Episode I. His force potential allowed him to "be the only human who could do it" but he was far from being a Mary Sue racer.
i love how they compare rey, someone who basically been a junkyard diver for catalytic converters to sell and say that its the same as anakin, someone who was basically in the cockpit of a racer every single day and most likely learned how to read just so he could read the manual for a racer.
Im enjoying your "darkside" journey ;) First you had the gall to have a courgal exploration of Ahsoka with Mauler, now you use dirty tactics like logic and reason to defend the "fandom menace" against garbage articles. XD Keep up the good work, love ya
A hit piece on the audience. Classic.
I'm sure he thinks George Lucas is lame and that Disney has taken SW into a better direction. What a joke.
I love Darth Talon, EU Leia and Darth Kreia. Oh wait--they're not Disney Canon, so they don't count.
Oh yes, Ray fakewalker. I forgot about her.
Also, people forget that both skywalkers had the most op plot armor named R2-D2, who certainly does know how to fly anything
And R2 was with Anakin when he blew up the control ship in TPM. They just want to cherry pick to suit their narrative.
I ran into one of these people once and he refused to accept anything that Luke did off screen, like fly his T-16, but insisted that Rey could fly because she learned to fly offscreen. I wore him out by sticking to the facts because he stopped responding to me and moved on to others he could easily trigger into an emotional reaction. 😂
Still to this day, I've never watched Disneys Episode 9. Kill all the favourite characters, and replace them with individuals that fit with "the politics"
Star Wars ended with Episode 6
Even their own reasoning falls flat on its face…
Rey is supposed to be accepted as powerful because of her lineage to palatine regardless of training
While Ben Solo was easily defeated in the first movie regardless of his lineage to the skywalkers plus training under luke skywalker and technically being trained by snokepatine in the dark side. This article itself contradicts its own point it’s trying to make, but that just may be my ISMS showing. 😂
I miss when this channel was just a fan making fun content instead of a drama channel
I mean even in episode 1 anakin showed good understanding of new ship systems. He was in the cockpit with the main pilot identifying what each thing did and the pilot even complimented him saying "you catch on quick" like anakin was really mechanically gifted especially for his age.
The scenes in ANH that justify Luke's abilities are so small and short. It's one scene on the Falcon of Luke training with the laser drone, and then him briefly talking about his experience flying a T-16 and shooting at the local wildlife. And we accept that, because nothing contradicts it and we know the movie has limited runtime. It's just enough to allow Luke to make his one miracle shot with the proton torpedoes, because in the end, that was Luke's only major accomplishment in ANH. Everything else he had help from Obi-Wan or Han... and Obi-Wan still technically helped with that shot, lol.
Meanwhile Rey doesn't even have that. She has no scenes or dialogue setting precedent for her piloting a whole ass Corellian Freighter, and a notoriously finicky and modified one at that, she has no scenes of her learning to use the force or a lightsaber, and then she somehow jumps all the way to fighting a trained Dark Jedi and winning in her first outing. Luke never pulled that level of bs in his first outing, and then even AFTER MORE TRAINING he still loses to Darth Vader. I'd argue Vader plays the same basic role Kylo Ren does in the sequels, being the subordinate to a greater evil that the main character later redeems... but Rey beats Ren at every turn making him a joke. The bar was set so low and they still tripped over it.
Edit: Oh, and lets talk about Anakin. The autopilot got Anakin like 50% of the way to the Core Ship. It was a mixture of luck and his ability with the force that got him into the ship. He mostly fumbled his way to victory. Also he had R2 with him. He was not dog-fighting, he was just doing his best to survive and happened to fly into the ship and bullseye the main reactor. Is it all a little silly? Yes, but he at least had proficiency operating a high-speed vehicle and it culminated in nothing grander than what Luke did in ANH. It's like poetry, it rhymes. He was basically passively training his instincts with the force by doing something as intense as pod racing, and since his connection to it was in a tier of its own to begin with... we can accept this one thing.
Again, it's still a bit silly, but it's not as egregious as the multiple instances of BS Rey continually pulled out of her ass every step of the way in her debut film. Flying the Falacon, fixing the Falcon, speaking Wookie, resisting Ren's mind probe (this in isolation would have been fine, but... it's not an isolated event), mind controlling a Stormtrooper, using the force to grab the lightsaber, not immediately getting her ass beat by Ren... and then BEATING REN. None of these things have precedent or set-up IN THE MOVIE to explain how the actual fk she can do all that.
As for the podracing itself, the race Anakin won wasn't his first. He'd done it before and lost. His ability to do it is set up by dialogue and explained by his connection to the force. Any sufficiently powerful force user could do the same with a little training.
It really doesn't take much, but they wanted to speedrun Rey being powerful and chose to do it in the sloppiest, most unsatisfying way imaginable.
THIS IS OUTRAGEOUS
IT'S UNFAIR
bloody hell, theory became a alpha male podcaster
I think it’s possible to believe that Rey is a bad character while also believing Star Wars has one of the worst fan bases on earth. Those ideas aren’t mutually exclusive
Correct on both parts
also for N-1 Starfighter argument: ship was on autopilot until space and after that Anakin f*cked up, flew into ship and barely escape.
You know what? I'm tired of explaining the reasons we don't like poorly written characters. Yeah, we're sexist. So what?
This is gonna get lost in the comments but:
Jaina, Leia, Mara, Callista, Cilghal, Tahirir, Danni Quee, Tionne, Winter, Mon Mothma, Kirana Ti, Tenel Djo, Tenel Ka
All great female characters that Disney erased when they made the EU legends
@@darkthorpocomicknight7891 This comment was for all the great female characters Disney replaced with their canon. I’m just trying to help keep the EU/Legends name alive
@@darkthorpocomicknight7891 Lucas didn’t hate Mara Jade, it was a skit with Seth Green.
And I don’t want bastardized versions of EU characters to come into canon. They’ve already ruined Quinlan, Thrawn, Rukh, and Dathomir.
@@darkthorpocomicknight7891I see you commenting on every one of Theory’s videos, he’s in your head rent free, mate.
@@darkthorpocomicknight7891 give proof that there are “nazis in his basement”
Goooood Goooooood
The fact that the article literally says, "...Extremely attractive...Does this apply to Rey? (Nope.)" .
How do they know Rey is female? If Lucasfilm come out and say she identifies as male will it invert the arguement? Will we toxic fans become misandrist then? 😂
Don't forget, Luke flew the T-16 Skyhopper prior to flying an X-Wing. He had that experience to draw from. As for Anakin flying the Naboo starfighter, I had the impression R-2 handled much of the operation of that craft. Don't forget that.
Speaking as someone born with two X chromosomes, Rey was a poorly written character. The whole ST was poorly written. No amount of name-calling is going to change that.
I was really hopeful for some character development when she gave into her emotions and blew up the transport we all thought Chewie was on. I remember thinking that she finally screwed up and had some serious consequences to learn from. As always though, the story saved her from herself with the "Oops. Chewie was on a different transport."
You can go through the whole ST and watch the story just push her along so she never has to make any hard decisions or mistakes that have any real consequences. This is why she's a Mary Sue. The story just hands her all of her achievements. So, as I said, they can call people names all they like, it's not going to change the poorly written story they are so desperate to defend.
Edit: Let's not forget Obi-Wan told Luke that he had heard he had become a good pilot. So, it was established that Luke was an experienced pilot long before he flew Red 5 into battle. Also, there was a scene in TPM where Anakin was asking questions and learning all about the controls on Queen Amidalia's ship. So, he didn't just jump into a ship and start flying it, and neither did Luke. All it took for both of them was a line or two of dialogue to establish their knowledge and skills at a young age. The ST writers' attention to detail was severely lacking, which is why the ST is so poorly written.
I wonder how Daisy feels about the comment “Rey’s looks are not a meaningful part of the story”. Like that would make me feel so self conscious and angry at the same time. I feel bad for her.
Can you imagine a automobile corporation saying that if you don't buy my cars you are a toxic -ist or -phob. Or shampoo, or house, or tools, or clothes, or toilet paper. It would make that company a laughing stock. It's insane.The lunacy of thinking they will open the wallets of consumers with insults to buy products they don't like.
It's like someone saying you are ungrateful for not wanting to eat shit sandwich
You might have forgotten that it was established in Phantom Menace that Anakin NEVER even finished a race before... Meaning he Lost.. A lot.
The first time he won was the one we saw in the film.
It’s funny how an article about hating something, because it didn’t live up to expectations, is based purely on their own hatred towards people who have expectations, and basically assume that they know exactly what we’re thinking, or feeling, based on their own superiority complex.
Roses are Red, The Sky is Blue and Rey is a Mary Sue!
What’s disappointing is that the clown who wrote this article has the same mindset and views as everyone in charge of Disney Star Wars and Lucasfilm. SMH
criticism or differing opinion to them means hAtE automatically
"Whether you like the sequel trilogy, or the original trilogy, or the prequel trilogy,...." Actually, there is no one in existence that is a fan of the sequel trilogy. There may be people that are okay with it, or that make excuses for it. But a fan of it, especially over the others, that doesn't exist.
Personally, I'll never watch a single episode of the sequels, intentionally. They don't exist in my mind, and never will. Star Wars Resistance was good. That;s as far in the future as I;m willing to go.
Sabine trained for ten years under Ashoka and found her connection during a deeply stressful situation at overcoming her mental blocks so Sabine can be explained to no be a Mary Sue.
Luke was a pilot on Tatooine flying his own T-16 and Biggs called him "the best bush pilot in the Outer Rim"
StarWars is like a bad relationship now. She does something lousy, then gets pissed by how I reacted to the lousy thing she did and blames it on me.