He literally bullies anything he doesnt like- stop acting like Theory is a victim 🤣 dude has 3 million followers of Star Wars crybabies but somehow hes the victim? Ye okay
Charlie Hopkinson just did that skit. I cant unsee it now. I need to know how long Mundis head was as a padawan. He must have looked normal because "the lies of the Jedi" and all
Theory reacting to Asmonghold reacting to Nerdrotic reacting to Acolyte. Now we need Asmonghold reacting Theory reacting to Asmonghold reacting to Nerdrotic reacting to Acolyte, Lets' go.
I’m a lady and don’t need a lady protagonist to identify with. I can relate with men too. Most of my favorite characters in Star Wars and otherwise are men, and I’m fine with that. If there’s a cool lady that’s well written then great! I love Bo-Katan actually. But they are putting women to shame with all these terribly written female characters.
I feel the same being a guy and being able to relate to female characters, especially throughout different times in my life. When I was a lot younger I related to Ahsoka’s impulsiveness during her padawan stage
@NasTalkz and so now we get to the question of why is it a problem that the acolyte stars female leads if you dont need someone to look like you to relate to them
Yeah that was a epic fail of cannon / history..... don't get me started about light sabers bouncing off Armour lol Acolyte is and hopefully be the stand alone worst star wars anything ever..... can only hope. It's freaking terrible lol
The only armor good for lightsabers is Beskar or Cortosis. Beskar can take the hit to a point. Cortosis shorts out the blade because it absorbs energy like crazy. Im assuming thats what Smiley is wearing but they didnt address it. Cortosis blades are cooler tho. Sabine i can kinda give a little pass. Would have been better to just have her combat trained in jedi arts but just be a badass regular person. I would have rather they not make her that strong that quickly if they had to give her the force.
@@kennifcale480 Imo, not every strong and cool fighter character in star wars needs to have the force. Sabine was cool because of her Mandalorian training and artistic talent, not because she could swing a lightsaber. It cheapens her character to make her a force-wielding Mary Sue.
@@niteowl1914 its fucking stupid, it was not needed, not necessary to have her be a force wielder. And dont even get me to mention how stupid they made Thrawn
When I see male police, firefighters, medics, plumbers and garbageworkers, I get concerned, as I am informed through media how much more amazing and fantastic women are.
@@kevinperry8093it felt to me like the person you've responded to who I might add may in fact be a woman for all we know is just pointing out that men and women are EQUAL but many times in recent years it feels like there's this misandric narrative being pushed that women are just better. If you need examples or evidence may I direct you to simply watching modern entertainment or look at this quote from doctor who "Rose “Yes, we know. We know everything. Thanks.” Donna “And you know nothing! It’s a shame you’re not a woman any more. ‘Cos she’d have understood.” Rose “You’ve got all that power, but there is a way to get rid of it. Something a male-presenting Time Lord will never understand.”" If it's not clear, the writers think they're being clever but really only being misandric while simultaneously showing they dont understand the queer characters they're attempting to elevate anyway I mean they're ascribing certain traits to a mtf timelord from a mtf trans person all while using gender absolutes to do so unironically.
Or this quote to Leslie Headland and Kathleen Kenedy: "You stood on the shoulders of geniuses, tried to rush something out as fast as you could, and before you even knew what you had you patented it, you packaged it, you slapped it on a plastic lunchbox and now * bang * your selling * bang * your selling!"
@SlapstickStooge Seriously didn't recognize it thanks for telling. I was vaguely reminded of Yogurt rolling out the Spaceballs lunchboxes when Lone Starr first finds him. Good times
Strong female characters that are cool: Xena and Gabrielle from Xena Warrior Princess, Samantha Carter from SG-1, Teyla from Atlantis, Princess Leia from original Star Wars, Padme from prequels, Tasha from TNG, Jadzia Dax and Kira Nerys from DS9, Galadriel and Eowyn from LOTR, the chick from Fallout(i forgot her name) and that's just from the top of my head while i'm driving. Then these degenerates say "they don't like strong female characters"... Piss off, make a good story, make a good character and everyone will love it.
It’s funny how everybody forgets about Leia. Literally royalty but decides as a kid to help build the rebellion against the galactic empire and helps blow up 2 … 2 death stars. I know I’m missing Carrie and will forever be greatful for the character she help build!
The hardest lesson for people to learn is that this isn't about money. It's about forcing a "Message " until it becomes the culture. These people will run these companies into the ground before they change from "The Message ". This is beyond making money. Disney won't change course. This is Star Wars and everything pop cultural from here on out unless we have a new cultural revolution.
My guy these shows have almost no political message. It's kinda a problem. The creators often have political opinions but the shows don't show them because some of the fans get pissed
@@davidfrederiksen3185 people have been throwing around politics in defense of the acolyte where they say “if you don’t like it you’re a conservative” and stuff like that
I just want to point out that currently the toy company Lego has not made any Lego sets for the Acolyte. Even Lego had no faith in the show. Now that may change they might make some sets based off the show, but usually when a new Disney Plus Star Wars show comes out like Ahsoka they immediately release sets based off the show. So, it just goes to show that Lego had no faith in it.
While I don't want anything from Disney related in the old republic, it's just an armor set so it's alright but I'm worried about the future of swtor. They drift into disney now.
@@zachrobinson6801 I’m sure it did kid. But like I said before the biggest toy company in the world (Lego) hasn’t made any sets for it. Which shows that Lego also might think it’s a bad show.
What made great women characters was that they were unique and special at one time. Yes, women have physical disadvantages against most men, and in times of war that is a significant disadvantage. Leia was great because she was witty, fierce, brave, charming, etc. Not because she could go toe to toe in battle with Vader. When every single woman is written as essentially a man, it takes away from what makes womanhood so beautiful in the first place.
I know what you're trying to say but it's a shit take. Arcane is a great show that displays strong female characters that are diverse and well written, and yes they can take on men. Women can't beat men physically and when they can they have to be 'unique and special at one time', 'it takes away freom what makes womanhood so beautiful in the first place', you sound dumb.
It’s fantasy, nobody cares about whatever you’re talking about in terms of fighting skill. And there have been women warriors who can beat men too so relax. The issue isn’t women in Star Wars, it’s the shitty sitting surrounding them to make them look good at the expense of everyone else.
If Star Wars was released today, all these toxic fan boys would call her, girl boss, man hater, annoying feminist, mean to Han and Luke. Disrespectful and pushy, and mannish.
The Acolyte has done one positive thing, it made me realise that Theory is not a mindless shill, he’s actually a cool guy, so now I’ve subbed. Thanks Disney!
The argument that male fans won't like women in Star Wars is absurd. Males love to play games with female characters that are strong and have powers. It's the basis of so many Gacha games, anime stories, and so on. If the stories were well written, and if the writers would drop the sub-text filled with modern political statements, fans would warm up to practically any female character that wasn't an insufferable man-hater.
@@EkleipsiGret I can list a couple but im sure others can explain more in detail. For one, the story breaks lore established in the prequel trilogy with ki adi mundi being alive 40 years younger when this series events transpired. Him being alive that long before and being involved with the events (that there being a sith) doesnt coincide what he says in the prequel trilogy. Which begs the question, had he known the sith had returned (from the events of acolyte) why hadnt he said anything during those movies, and probably couldve changed the events that led to their demise. Another point is the wishy washy nature of the villain, the sister. Who once attempted to kill osha when they were younger because osha wanted to join the jedi. BECAUSE of her attempt in killing her sister, she started a fire (somehow in a mountain) proceeded to get her entire family killed and blame rhe jedi. She then joined up with a sith wnd started killing jedi masters, THEN she finds out her sister is alive and decided that she doesnt want to kill any more jedi and try to swear her alligence to her but thar doesnt end well, she tries to turn herself to thr jedi in hopes to escape her sith master (because she thinks giving them info on a sith will get her scott free from going to jail) but then proceeds to go back on that notion again. The constant changing sides in such small time frames (yes her constant changing sides, 4 times, were done within a weak) isnt really belieable and just a sign of bad writing.
Most Star Wars fans don’t really care because we’re adults, we have the original films and we don’t watch shows we don’t like instead of crying about them
11:01 as a guy, I don't mind a female protagonist. Rey could've been so much cooler instead of so unrealistic. Of course, realistic in a Star Wars universe is relative, but she was just too much. Heck, I would have loved to see a series on Mara Jade. Leia Organa dealing with the courtship? We have Star Wars Legacy books with strong female protagonists that aren't making their gender or race their identity. Jana Solo falling in love, being part of a hive mind, and then killing her brother because Jacen was too based? They could've have filmed the entire Yuuzhan Vong series and it would've made them billions. Easily able to turn that into a 10 year project. Heck, throw in a filler season with the Joiners. This is what makes me so sad. This makes me wonder why they didn't go ahead with the Legacy books? I've talked with people who didn't like that Chewbacca died in the first book. Instead we get Han Solo killed.
I never used to mind female protags, in fact preferred them frequently, but the new generation of these female characters and their smug, hyperassertive unearned superiority, lack of accountability, cardboard cutout trope repetition and rampant accusatory misandry has made me outright loathe them and their activist creators.
I’m annoyed because people try to make this a gender thing now. I still like a GOOD female protagonist. I don’t hate new Star Wars because there’s women. I hate it because bad writing. Bad writing for EVERY character. (With several exceptions) Unfortunately, some people really do hate female protagonists in general and are trying to shove their words in my mouth by saying I agree with them. They’re just as much a problem as Disney is
Even with this show, I haven't had an issue with any of the actors for how they are onscreen. the issue is simply the clunky, poorly written story. The same when it came to the sequels. Star Wars stories were never narrative masterpieces, but they had a certain style and mythos that drew people to love the IP. But too often, the Disney projects can't even get that right.
I loved the Sarah Connor chronicles, and that was sometimes female centered and sometimes male. I loved the characters, the actors were great, stories smart, and when it ended I mourned, and i still wish i could hop over to a universe with a few more seasons and grab the blurays.
Ah yes, been there with Samus as well as a kid. I can totally relate. Also I agree with you about Ahsoka. A ton of guys like that character (myself included). Season 7 was freakin amazing and she had amazing character development throughout the series imo.
Acolyte suffers from the same problem TLJ suffered from, all the characters continuously make stupid decisions if only to further the plot. One bad choice, in the heat of the moment, I can understand but it's like everyone on the show as been set to dumb. Any sort of training, or logic, or basic common sense are thrown out the window and dumb is left to rule the day just so the story can advance to the next scene.
@@jdgoesham5381 And while he himself started to see the light, his Discord server is still sanitized so that you can't even hint at criticising the current Disney Star Wars
They did retcon things in the first 6 films. Obi wan wasn't trained by Yoda, it was Qui Gon. Leigh remembers her mother even though she died in childbirth. Han not believing in the Force even though Chewie fought alongside Yoda. The worst being that Greedo shot first. Not cannon breaking but they are there
Obi Wan was trained by Yoda before he became Qui Jon's apprentice. Remember each Jedi trains as students taking classes with different Jedi instructors during their youth at the Jedi Academy before they are appointed a master. In the prequels Yoda is training a group of student when Obi Wan visits him in Episode 2 so we can assume Obi Wan went through a similar experience.
Most do not know or understand the stigma there was being a star wars fan just 15 to 20 years ago. Carrying around EU books, reading them in class, or wearing SW shirts would cause people to make fun of you and call you names you can no longer say. It was like this for most of nerd culture and caused many of us to feel alienated from our peers, especially in school. Now everyone pretends like they always thought was always cool. My grandpa showed me SW on VHS when i was 9 and it changed my life. Every time I watch or read I think of him. We spoke about lessons and deeper meanings in the films and books which was so important to me. There is no such stigma around SW anymore and everyone pretends nerd culture has always been popular. The stigma now is with those who say wait this doesnt make sense or the writing is bad. SW has always been diverse and representative and no one thought about it that way exclusively, its weird now. Going back to the EU books and films and The Old Republic. A ton on them center around wonderfully written female characters. Heck, even the earliest book on the timeline occuring in 25,000 BBY is about a women. Its bizarre that ALL of this is ignored and instead we're still called names despite how much many of us want to love it desperately. Ive read almost all the high republic books now including scripts and comic books and some of it is great and has all the "modern stuff" also. Even the Cults that are centered around much of the Phase II stuff is much better written than this. When you read them or listen to an interview with the writers it is aparent who loves SW and who doesnt as that often reflects the quality of the books. Im really trying with it and some is great while other parts, not so much. Anyway, I have so much more I wanna say and have been silent about but its hard to talk to anyone about SW in general anymore without being harassed for simple opinions. I love SW so much. I will continue to love SW and try to enjoy what is good about it. I just picked up Darth Maul Black White and Red 3 that came out wednesday and its great. I also picked up the latest High Republic comic about a female Jedi named Ty Yorrick and I like her a lot especially in the book The Rising Storm. So much more to say but I'll leave it there.. Feel free to respond to this with your SW stories or thoughts. Thanks Star Wars Theory for your content been enjoying your theories since The Force Awakens on various channels. Many of you made me realize there were many of you with similar experiences and I thank you all for that. Peace. Love. Keep the discussion civil. And May the Force be with You All.
Even if they decided to retcon when Ki-Adi-Mundi was born, they still haven't changed how long his species actually lives, so therefore he can't be alive in both time periods.
I don't know. I mean, if lifespans are the same as humans, and with similar average--mixed with obviously better medical care, and the force--who knows, maybe the darker side of Ki Adi, is shooting up Bacta on his downtime. Even in real life, you're getting people living passed 100 like it's nothing now. The oldest recorded in human history so far was Jeanne Calment of France, at 122. Maybe it's another reason for him being old and senile, just sitting on the council and not giving a crap, and totally forgetting about this period of his life. That's all a stretch, though.
It isn't about whether the character is male or female. It just matters how well it's written. Look at Blue Eye Samurai. That show was AWESOME, and it actually handled some social justice topics with actual nuance and tact and wasn't overtly political (see purple haired bitch from Last Jedi...), and had not one, but TWO strong female protagonists in my opinion, but they were executed in completely different ways. One rejected her gender to try to live as a samurai and learn to fight to get revenge on her creator, while the other utilized her femininity and intellect/cunning to claw back any morsel of power and agency she could get her hands on while still operating within the restrictions of an era where women were treated as property to be married off. Yes, them being female was a pretty big part of the story, but the action was on point, the plot was on point, and the characters were WELL WRITTEN and didn't just go around acting as if their previous actions in the story meant absolutely nothing. It didn't feel like a shitty communist propaganda film or something. It felt like the character's motives and actions were justified, and they weren't some fucking chosen one Mary Sue with random shit just happening to them. There was build up and pay-off, foreshadowing, character flaws, etc. and it all MADE SENSE instead of it feeling like the characters were female just to meet some diversity quota.
As a woman I can relate with characters like Padme, Leia, Senator Chuchi, Satine...they're all strong women without lightsabers - just wise, smart and kind. I don't like to see women as soldiers all the time, women have our different approach to the problems of the world.
As a man, I love hearing from female SW fans and getting their thoughts and opinions about SW in general and the current series. Theory and many of the other SW commentators have a lot of great things to share, but I'm thankful when women like you are vocal in the discussion!
You know one thing I’ve noticed is that compared to when people were defending the last Jedi I’ve seen a lot less of the “This is just a show about space wizards that’s meant for kids” it probably still gets thrown around but I’ve seen a lot less of it with acolyte than with the last Jedi. Just a little observation I’m making
@@lholocron just cause some like it doesn't mean they are shills,, i close my eyes when there are "cringe/woke" parts in the show and focus on what's ahead. If you hate 1 think about the show that's okay, but hating 1 thing = whole show is trash is not how i critique shows.
I grew up watching the originals once a year on TV, but was too young to really understand them, then the phantom menace came out when I was 10 and i absolutely loved it. I owned it on Home Video, and as kids often did back then i basically watched it on repeat, over and over again for years. I had to deal with older Kids, who grew up with the originals, shitting on the prequals. I saw kids my own age, who originally liked them just like i did, change their opinion because they thought it would somehow make them cool like the older kids. Only a minority of us really stuck to our opinion and we had to defend the prequals to everybody... Jaa Jaa this, Pod Race that, Politics boring. Then episode 2 came out, and people quietened down a bit, then episode 3 came out, and people went crazy. You still had those older kids, now grown up, that still hating on them. Plus some of the hate trenders who had long since convinced themselves they never liked them. BUT you also had many of the people who pretended that they hated them, just to seem cool, were older now and could admit that they liked them and join in on the hype. Of course those individuals acted like they always stuck to their guns, when really they let themselves be led, but who cares, they were nerdy kids just trying to fit in. Starwars fans in general were nerds, before that was trendy or hip, anything but. we were "cool" or "uncool" within our own circles, but to the outside world we were just comicon nerds, before comicon was a thing. Starwars was for us, it was ours, i don't care if you're a boy, girl, black, white, purple, green, a starfish, or a gelatinous blob. It was George Lucas's gift to us, The Starwars Fans, The Star trek Fans, the Stargate fans, the dweebs, the geeks, the nerds, the kids with lisps, and social anxiety, the socially awkward kids. Starwars was our refuge, it was our safe space. AND THE ABSOLUTE HIDE of these people to call us every derogatory name under the sun, call us toxic, for defending the franchise that I'm sure many of us could even go so far as to say literally saved our lives. Its disgusting, these people who have taken over starwars and filled it with their own political dogma, moronic ideology, turning it into nothing more than obnoxious propaganda, regurgitated into one IP after the other. The Terminator, Ghost Busters, Indiana Jones, Marvel Comics, Magic the Gathering, Dungeons and Dragons. You name it and they have infected it and twisted it into this hateful racist DEI nightmare. Nothing is sacred to these people. Anyone defending this kind of trash, should be ashamed of themselves. We nerds had to go through so much BS and too much discrimination, degradation and abuse, for you to just waltze in like you own the place, only to shyt on everything that we loved. And worst of all, we welcomed you fckers in with open arms, why? because we actually cared about other people, didn't want anyone to feel excluded, or alone, because we had been there our entire lives. Sure come in, sit by the fire, i think its cool that you like XYZ thing you're to ashamed to tell others at school, because they will pick on you for it. Want to play Warhammer, I'll even lend you my other army. You wormed your way in like a fucking parasite, and now entire fandoms are left in ruins. Honestly fck all of you, you decrepit, rancid, human beings. I hope you have something you love taken away from you and destroyed right in front of your eyes, then when you complain about it, people tell you to grow up and get over it. Scum
That doesn't count as a retcon because no matter who shot first it didn't have any repercussions to the story or change anything in the plot. It was simply a character decision that George made.
I recently saw a TH-camr who I casually watched. I think mostly from her saber skills and some reviews of them. She essentially said oh let’s just all get along and not say bad things about Star Wars, followed up by saying she loves everything Star Wars it doesn’t matter what it is. She started getting invites and more recognition, so she is 100% going to fall in line on everything they ever do. It made me stop following her, because if I want Disney corporate opinions, I’ll check their socials.
Disney has forgotten George's statement about SW.... That Star Wars is a film for 12-year old kids. If you don't get that core idea, you don't get Star Wars.
Yeah it's not about lesbos it's about simple but pretty amazing story telling that lasts and what Disney created doesn't seem to stand a chance lasting
The toxic positivity/negativity kinda reminded me of the Jedi/Sith conundrum The Sith become so passionate and fearful of what they love, that they loose sight of the consequences of their actions and stop at nothing (toxic negativity) While the Jedi became so focused on the balance and minding their feelings, that they became complacent of wrong doings (toxic positivity) I find that an interesting point of view
Being told you need to like the new Star Wars because you are a Star Wars fan is like being told you need to like Sticker Star because you are a Paper Mario fan…
The most frustrating aspect is how Asian Kylo Ren is the coolest character and instead we are forced to follow the twins who have absolutely nothing interesting about them
One of the most beautiful things a story can do is make you relate to someone who doesn’t look like you. Then you know it's touched your soul. Good video, Theory!
Retcons ALWAYS matter, regardless of how small. Even a tiny detail changed can be a sign that the writer is either ignorant of previously established elements in a story or is willing to make more changes in the future. It's the "foot in the door," how much are you willing to let that door open?
11:07 I'm with you here Star Wars Theory, I don't think it matters if a protagonist is male or female. But I think what Asmongold is trying to get at is that Lucasfilm stated that it was their intention to make a "female-centric" story, and he doesn't believe it will attract as many male viewers.
May I add that my dad absolutely loved and rooted for the leopard Padawan in the latest episode my dad was getting into Star Wars again then like all things in Disney Star Wars she died
A needless death that amounts to nothing No rage mode from Osha…Sol didn’t kill the “sith” Nothing…. And their dead bodies AND lightsabers are still just chillin on that planet 🤷🏾♂️ Cuz..y’know Jedi don’t do live burials unless it’s a Master Jedi 🤷🏾♂️🤷🏾♂️ The biggest plot hole is they left the bodies. Same bodies that have lightsaber wounds…so even IF Sol does not IMMEDIATELY tell the council what happened in next episode…it still looks bad as nobody covers their tracks(writing) with this show. I will not be shocked if it’s the green bich behind all this and that she covers everything up 🤷🏾♂️ It makes the most logical sense imo as the “sith” would need someone on the inside to keep things nice and quiet while they..while they train a shitty acolyte?? Idk where this shows plot is going 🤦🏾♂️
@@thegamemattster she literally disgraced Mae while arresting her in the most hateful tone “For the murder of your family!” Like bruh…no need to rub shit in.. Anything BUT jedi-like bro Just arrest the person and be done with it. No need for the theatrics. But I guess she was told to be an actor first and the character second 🤷🏾♂️
@@Lurkai what? lol she told her what she was guilty of. How is that disgracing her lol. How is through fight exhaustion her tone change hateful? I think you’re just seeing a Padawan going through an intense mission.
Seriously been paying attention to whats happening to SW lately. Star Wars is a staple in our society i think, across the world and in many cultures. P.S you take care out here Theory and much respect.
If you stop watching, that is when your opinion is heard. Doesn't matter if you don't like it and say its bad, You are still watching it giving them the numbers they want. Stop watching they see their numbers go down, they change and jump thru your hoops to earn your dollar.
This hits me on a deep level. Star Wars is tied into my family and wouldn't exist today to be ruined by Disney. If it was just written well, I'd accept and enjoy any show and cast. I haven't watched it at all. I'm pushing 50 and never will again. I was told that it wasn't made for me. They did the same with Dr. Who. I was born a white man. Why am I hated by Disney? I had a decades old DVC membership that my entire family dumped. I enjoyed Ashoka, I love that character. Clone Wars, Rebels, A new hope! Strong female leads that made the lore so much richer. Disney needs to stop spewing hate. Write good stories, and we, the fans, will be there. Above all else, I want an apology to us, the Fandom. I want an apology to George. I believe they would rather shutter their doors before giving one. That's how Star Wars will die.
Haven't watched the Acolyte yet, so haven't watched any of your videos yet, but I can't wait to binge them all, when me and my dad finally catch up on all the latest star wars material. Finally watching Andor, and that shit slaps!
Bud just watch Theorys reviews. He breaks down lore really well when they choose to destroy it lol. This shit will make your jaw drop with amazement and discust! witnessing this writing, direction, cinematography, set pieces is that fuckin bad. screw it give it a watch just for the shock value! Andor was good they should stayed with that director.
You can watch it if you like, but imo its not worth it. The first four episodes are just......bad😂 episode 5 is the best of the worst (if that makes sense)
The funny thing is that I just had some call me an incel for bringing up tangible problems with the storytelling. Not bringing up any of those right wing buzzwords. Just looking at dialogue and scene progression and narrative decisions. The people defending the show are so brainwashed that they just assume anyone who doesn’t like it is a bigot and there are no legitimate criticisms on how the show was executed. If that mentality continues to drive how this franchise is run, I don’t know if there is any saving it.
I am a mathematical physicist and I have also studied philosophy. Arguing that fans who hate on Acolyte do so because they hate women, is a textbook example of a strawman argument. They are purposefully misrepresenting our position on the matter in way that makes it easier for them to dispute and ague against our position. It is an extremely common argumentative fallacy. [Also, yes, 8 years is approximately how long it takes to finish a PhD from high school:)]
At first, I thought Mae was a terribly-written character but the more I consider it; The flip-flopping, contradiction, mood swinging from love to wanting to kill, running away every time trouble comes, denying her responsibility and blaming everyone else, and now the trickery to pretend she's someone she isn't... This may be the most accurate portrayal of a woman ever. 😂
I’m not sure if it was written in of your comment sections but somebody had the audacity to say, “well I think sol is the most perfect Jedi we have seen in all Star Wars!” And I argued that Yoda is more perfect, yet they argued that he was sent to exile, and I said “if you knew Star Wars, you’d know he exiled himself for not defeating Palpatine.” Then he said “well that’s not very Jedi like!” And I said “we don’t even know what happens to sol yet calm down.” And it went on an on and before every sentence they dropped “wtf dude!”
Rouge One had a lead female character and I had a great time watching it. So to say that fans like myself don’t like the show because the lead is female is mostly false. There will always be a very small group of haters that just hate because they can. I just want a good fun story with great action and make sense with its lore. I don’t care what or who the mc is. MC could be a dog from Mars of all I care. I just want a good story. Tho making a dog Jedi might be hard to sell…..are there dog Jedi/alien/sith?
There is, but it's only quasi canon. A sentient dog and a sentient rabbit were included in a spinoff comic and then later put in one of the video games as an easter egg.
I didn’t mind the first two episodes it’s when we got 2 extra babies born by the force that push me over the edge. If they just didn’t bother with the lore already put in place I’d be fine. A quick fix is the witches seduce and kill Jedi men when they done receiving “Jedi seed” and dispose of all male births. If they hate men go dark with it. And that’s why ocea didn’t wanna become a witch after seeing that transpire. Instead trying to have Kate and Edith too.
@@AtramentousMindframe-ju5fx Yeah they did. But they also admitted that they would probably care more if they were more into SW. They are Star Trek people and took it just as hard when that was bastardized.
Yeah Mike's budget on alcohol alone could feed a number of those starving kids he's never helped with anything in his life. I just unsubbed from that channel after watching that. Nothing like listening to the guys who never grew up out of high school talking like they have ever experienced anything more than making videos talking about forms of media to mostly people just taking a dump.
@@AtramentousMindframe-ju5fxYes, I just watched it and it was a really bad take from them on this. I think the constant consumption of alcohol has severely caused irreversible damage to their minds. Their review makes a lot of ignorant assumptions with weak generizalitions about a lot of other creators including Stars Wars Theory. I have seen a lot of different takes on this but theirs was the worst. Of course they didn't even include Angry Joe's, which also said this show is just really bad.
Plenty of Jedi actually do die during this era in the High Republic novels due to the Nihil. The Nihil are basically marauders furious at the Republic trying to expand their territory and have resorted to extremist style tactics. They can easily use the Nihil as an out for the deaths, and as long as Ki Adi Mundi isn't a firsthand witness, it doesn't actually matter.
If people were aloud to not like things they don’t like, it would be way less toxic. The toxicity mainly spews out when people or a group of people are told they can’t not like something, then the opposite side say “we need to get rid of this toxicity” and it’s just a never ending cycle. Allowing people more freedom to think what they want will reduce the overall toxicity people face in life. Whereas the opposite side think they can just completely get rid of it which is impossible.
The only thing i have to say about the sith have been extinct thing, Maul literally says to palpatine in episode 1 "at last we will reveal ourselves to the jedi, at last we will have our revenge"so they obviously have been hidden so if sol dies before he gets to coruscant it makes sense for ki adi mundi to not think the sith are a thing
Asmon and Theory together in a video is something I want to see more in the future since he has interesting thoughts on Star Wars and he wants to see Eclipse getting developed as soon as possible...
I love these reactions to others reactions. Trying to start my channel back up and trying to figure out the best theme and way to do it. This was an idea I had. So groovy to see you doing it at least I know it was a groovtastic idea. Much love keep rising. May the force be with you all
Dude I would love for you to make a guest appearance on overlordDVD Wednesday live streams. I believe they’re boomers (40s-50s) but they’ve given you a couple shout outs before. They’re the original Star Wars fans from the 80s basically
George retconned a lot. for example. Leia telling she remembers her Mother. we know how that turned out an how unlikly it is, that she does. i mean even just in the OT,that vader is Luke Father and leias is his sister are retcons. none of them was planned in episode 4
Those aren’t retcons though, those are creative decisions that don’t break lore and add to lore. They don’t contradict other established stories and known facts.
Did I miss the part Ki adi Mundi was told there was a a red lightsabre sith killing jedi? People keep pivoting to that point but it holds no water. That scene isnt there. The audience knows its a sith but no one else that wasn’t in that jungle.
You missed a part that you cut out, where Asmongold says, 'If the story is good, it doesn't matter the age of a character', And I think it's the same with Obi-Wan's age from Episode 3 to Episode 4. Ewan's age doesn't really match Alec Guinness's, but no one cared because the story is incredibly good.
bullied as a kid for being a star wars fan. bullied as an adult for not being a disney star wars fan.
He literally bullies anything he doesnt like- stop acting like Theory is a victim 🤣 dude has 3 million followers of Star Wars crybabies but somehow hes the victim? Ye okay
Well, now apparently nerds are gay.
My mans just getting bullied 💀
@@Pvt.punchy crybaby comes here to tell 3 million other people that they're the crybabies..you played yourself bruh
@@Pvt.punchyhave more than X amounts of followers -> he can't be bullied. Sound logic you have there, man.
Every time Ki Adi Mundi lies, his head gets longer. The Pinocchio of Star Wars.
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
Exactly 😂
Acolyte writers be like "write that down!"
@@MrSuperbear90 I better get a writer’s credit if they do lmao.
Charlie Hopkinson just did that skit. I cant unsee it now. I need to know how long Mundis head was as a padawan. He must have looked normal because "the lies of the Jedi" and all
Theory reacting to Asmonghold reacting to Nerdrotic reacting to Acolyte.
Now we need Asmonghold reacting Theory reacting to Asmonghold reacting to Nerdrotic reacting to Acolyte,
Lets' go.
After which 11 hours of EFAP reacting to the above, with Theory as guest...
Ahhhhhhh AAAAAAAA. AAAAAAARRGGGGG
*HEAD EXPLODES FROM A INFINATE REACTION LOOP*
this is how you make it on twitch tbf. This has been the meta for like 5 years
Did South park predict this?
LET‘S GOOOOOO
I’m a lady and don’t need a lady protagonist to identify with. I can relate with men too. Most of my favorite characters in Star Wars and otherwise are men, and I’m fine with that. If there’s a cool lady that’s well written then great! I love Bo-Katan actually. But they are putting women to shame with all these terribly written female characters.
Thank You!!! This Exactly!!!
I miss the days when we connected with characters regardless of them looking exactly like us or not.
I feel the same being a guy and being able to relate to female characters, especially throughout different times in my life. When I was a lot younger I related to Ahsoka’s impulsiveness during her padawan stage
Female here. I feel the same way. Wonderful comment
@NasTalkz and so now we get to the question of why is it a problem that the acolyte stars female leads if you dont need someone to look like you to relate to them
Man feels like that Luke Skywalker scene from Mando S2 was so long ago, look how far SW has fallen since then.
We saw the light at the end of the tunnel, then Kathleen Kennedy dragged us back into the depths😢
This Scene was only possible because even KK did not know it would happen...
Some would say it fell with the Sequels. Mando was just Disney being a broken clock showing a right time once in a day.
:// yeah…
Sabine being stabbed, not die, then use the Force was what a lot of fans didn’t like about the Ashoka show.
Yeah that was a epic fail of cannon / history..... don't get me started about light sabers bouncing off Armour lol
Acolyte is and hopefully be the stand alone worst star wars anything ever..... can only hope.
It's freaking terrible lol
The only armor good for lightsabers is Beskar or Cortosis. Beskar can take the hit to a point. Cortosis shorts out the blade because it absorbs energy like crazy. Im assuming thats what Smiley is wearing but they didnt address it. Cortosis blades are cooler tho.
Sabine i can kinda give a little pass. Would have been better to just have her combat trained in jedi arts but just be a badass regular person. I would have rather they not make her that strong that quickly if they had to give her the force.
Among other things...lol
@@kennifcale480 Imo, not every strong and cool fighter character in star wars needs to have the force. Sabine was cool because of her Mandalorian training and artistic talent, not because she could swing a lightsaber. It cheapens her character to make her a force-wielding Mary Sue.
@@niteowl1914 its fucking stupid, it was not needed, not necessary to have her be a force wielder. And dont even get me to mention how stupid they made Thrawn
star wars has now become an official spectator sport
Ahh yes the culture war how nice
Yes, the toxic fan boys like Theory have made it so.
When I see male police, firefighters, medics, plumbers and garbageworkers, I get concerned, as I am informed through media how much more amazing and fantastic women are.
Strong incel energy.
@@kevinperry8093it felt to me like the person you've responded to who I might add may in fact be a woman for all we know is just pointing out that men and women are EQUAL but many times in recent years it feels like there's this misandric narrative being pushed that women are just better. If you need examples or evidence may I direct you to simply watching modern entertainment or look at this quote from doctor who "Rose “Yes, we know. We know everything. Thanks.”
Donna “And you know nothing! It’s a shame you’re not a woman any more. ‘Cos she’d have understood.”
Rose “You’ve got all that power, but there is a way to get rid of it. Something a male-presenting Time Lord will never understand.”"
If it's not clear, the writers think they're being clever but really only being misandric while simultaneously showing they dont understand the queer characters they're attempting to elevate anyway I mean they're ascribing certain traits to a mtf timelord from a mtf trans person all while using gender absolutes to do so unironically.
To quote Jeff Goldblum, that is one big pile of acolyte.
Or this quote to Leslie Headland and Kathleen Kenedy:
"You stood on the shoulders of geniuses, tried to rush something out as fast as you could, and before you even knew what you had you patented it, you packaged it, you slapped it on a plastic lunchbox and now * bang * your selling * bang * your selling!"
Leslie: "spared no expense... Except for that wookie lightsaber fight... I had to save money"
@SlapstickStooge Spaceballs reference?
@Fascists4Palestine Jurassic Park. The quote you might be thinking about in SpaceBalls is "SpaceBalls 2: the Quest for more Money"
@SlapstickStooge Seriously didn't recognize it thanks for telling. I was vaguely reminded of Yogurt rolling out the Spaceballs lunchboxes when Lone Starr first finds him. Good times
Strong female characters that are cool:
Xena and Gabrielle from Xena Warrior Princess, Samantha Carter from SG-1, Teyla from Atlantis, Princess Leia from original Star Wars, Padme from prequels, Tasha from TNG, Jadzia Dax and Kira Nerys from DS9, Galadriel and Eowyn from LOTR, the chick from Fallout(i forgot her name) and that's just from the top of my head while i'm driving. Then these degenerates say "they don't like strong female characters"...
Piss off, make a good story, make a good character and everyone will love it.
Her name is Lucy
Also Sarah Connor from Terminator and Ellen Ripley from Alien. Strong women where they didnt make everyone around them stupid
Buffy the Vampire Slayer too
Trinity from the matrix
Ripley from alien
@@Hysterion Mae from Westworld and my personal favorite: Avasarala from the Expanse.
It’s funny how everybody forgets about Leia. Literally royalty but decides as a kid to help build the rebellion against the galactic empire and helps blow up 2 … 2 death stars. I know I’m missing Carrie and will forever be greatful for the character she help build!
I NEVER expected this crossover HAHA
Only after this crossover with asmon I've noticed that he wears a cap indoors
I'm never getting 2024 Bingo when this unexpected stuff keeps happening
bald
True @@m0-m0597
My favorite : Avasarala in the Expanse
The hardest lesson for people to learn is that this isn't about money. It's about forcing a "Message " until it becomes the culture. These people will run these companies into the ground before they change from "The Message ". This is beyond making money. Disney won't change course. This is Star Wars and everything pop cultural from here on out unless we have a new cultural revolution.
My guy these shows have almost no political message. It's kinda a problem. The creators often have political opinions but the shows don't show them because some of the fans get pissed
It’s not Kathleen or bobs money they still get paid and pension funds are used to prop up the stock price
@@davidfrederiksen3185thats just a total lie
@@shocktnc then what political message does the show has
@@davidfrederiksen3185 people have been throwing around politics in defense of the acolyte where they say “if you don’t like it you’re a conservative” and stuff like that
My most favourit character in star wars became Jynn Erso. Backstory, motive and what she achieved without the force...amazing.
I like Jynn but I just cant see her as anything other than a replacement for Jan Ors 🤷🏾♂️
@@RevanMartinez thats my blessing I guess. I dont know which character you mean😅
@@holgeradler707she was in the Dark Forces video games like Jedi Outcast.
I just want to point out that currently the toy company Lego has not made any Lego sets for the Acolyte. Even Lego had no faith in the show. Now that may change they might make some sets based off the show, but usually when a new Disney Plus Star Wars show comes out like Ahsoka they immediately release sets based off the show. So, it just goes to show that Lego had no faith in it.
SWTOR has made Acolyte armor sets though.
While I don't want anything from Disney related in the old republic, it's just an armor set so it's alright but I'm worried about the future of swtor. They drift into disney now.
@@amyb.6368 yeah but Lego hasn’t and it’s the biggest toy company in the world
@@wazzawarrior5715eh Qimir’s helmet sold out in like 2 hours after it was released.
@@zachrobinson6801 I’m sure it did kid. But like I said before the biggest toy company in the world (Lego) hasn’t made any sets for it. Which shows that Lego also might think it’s a bad show.
First Charlie, now Asmon 😂
Glad to see these cross overs. They're all entertaining to watch.
What made great women characters was that they were unique and special at one time. Yes, women have physical disadvantages against most men, and in times of war that is a significant disadvantage. Leia was great because she was witty, fierce, brave, charming, etc. Not because she could go toe to toe in battle with Vader. When every single woman is written as essentially a man, it takes away from what makes womanhood so beautiful in the first place.
I know what you're trying to say but it's a shit take. Arcane is a great show that displays strong female characters that are diverse and well written, and yes they can take on men. Women can't beat men physically and when they can they have to be 'unique and special at one time', 'it takes away freom what makes womanhood so beautiful in the first place', you sound dumb.
Well put!
It’s fantasy, nobody cares about whatever you’re talking about in terms of fighting skill. And there have been women warriors who can beat men too so relax. The issue isn’t women in Star Wars, it’s the shitty sitting surrounding them to make them look good at the expense of everyone else.
If Star Wars was released today, all these toxic fan boys would call her, girl boss, man hater, annoying feminist, mean to Han and Luke. Disrespectful and pushy, and mannish.
@zachrobinson6801 That doesnt make sense
Strong female characters make everyone else look bad. Huh? 😂😂😂😂
The Acolyte has done one positive thing, it made me realise that Theory is not a mindless shill, he’s actually a cool guy, so now I’ve subbed. Thanks Disney!
The argument that male fans won't like women in Star Wars is absurd. Males love to play games with female characters that are strong and have powers. It's the basis of so many Gacha games, anime stories, and so on. If the stories were well written, and if the writers would drop the sub-text filled with modern political statements, fans would warm up to practically any female character that wasn't an insufferable man-hater.
This is the crossover that I needed.
Stop taking the shills serious Theory. We all see and feel what you do
@@EkleipsiGretno, they are a loud minority. The rest, if they post a disagreeing post, they get deleted from the place
@@EkleipsiGret Most of them are delusional. People will love anything that has the Star Wars label on it.
@@EkleipsiGret Sure you can love whatever you want, but bad writing is bad writing whether you like it or not.
@@EkleipsiGret I can list a couple but im sure others can explain more in detail.
For one, the story breaks lore established in the prequel trilogy with ki adi mundi being alive 40 years younger when this series events transpired. Him being alive that long before and being involved with the events (that there being a sith) doesnt coincide what he says in the prequel trilogy. Which begs the question, had he known the sith had returned (from the events of acolyte) why hadnt he said anything during those movies, and probably couldve changed the events that led to their demise.
Another point is the wishy washy nature of the villain, the sister. Who once attempted to kill osha when they were younger because osha wanted to join the jedi. BECAUSE of her attempt in killing her sister, she started a fire (somehow in a mountain) proceeded to get her entire family killed and blame rhe jedi. She then joined up with a sith wnd started killing jedi masters, THEN she finds out her sister is alive and decided that she doesnt want to kill any more jedi and try to swear her alligence to her but thar doesnt end well, she tries to turn herself to thr jedi in hopes to escape her sith master (because she thinks giving them info on a sith will get her scott free from going to jail) but then proceeds to go back on that notion again.
The constant changing sides in such small time frames (yes her constant changing sides, 4 times, were done within a weak) isnt really belieable and just a sign of bad writing.
Most Star Wars fans don’t really care because we’re adults, we have the original films and we don’t watch shows we don’t like instead of crying about them
11:01 as a guy, I don't mind a female protagonist. Rey could've been so much cooler instead of so unrealistic. Of course, realistic in a Star Wars universe is relative, but she was just too much.
Heck, I would have loved to see a series on Mara Jade. Leia Organa dealing with the courtship? We have Star Wars Legacy books with strong female protagonists that aren't making their gender or race their identity. Jana Solo falling in love, being part of a hive mind, and then killing her brother because Jacen was too based?
They could've have filmed the entire Yuuzhan Vong series and it would've made them billions. Easily able to turn that into a 10 year project. Heck, throw in a filler season with the Joiners. This is what makes me so sad. This makes me wonder why they didn't go ahead with the Legacy books? I've talked with people who didn't like that Chewbacca died in the first book. Instead we get Han Solo killed.
I never used to mind female protags, in fact preferred them frequently, but the new generation of these female characters and their smug, hyperassertive unearned superiority, lack of accountability, cardboard cutout trope repetition and rampant accusatory misandry has made me outright loathe them and their activist creators.
I’m annoyed because people try to make this a gender thing now. I still like a GOOD female protagonist. I don’t hate new Star Wars because there’s women. I hate it because bad writing. Bad writing for EVERY character. (With several exceptions) Unfortunately, some people really do hate female protagonists in general and are trying to shove their words in my mouth by saying I agree with them. They’re just as much a problem as Disney is
Even with this show, I haven't had an issue with any of the actors for how they are onscreen. the issue is simply the clunky, poorly written story. The same when it came to the sequels. Star Wars stories were never narrative masterpieces, but they had a certain style and mythos that drew people to love the IP. But too often, the Disney projects can't even get that right.
We’re all in this together!!! United in our disdain for Disney’s perversion of Star Wars.
Disdain is sugar-coating it.
Yes, all the toxic fan boys are united.
@@TVAvnger ragebait?
First he reacts to Charlie and now Asmond. loving these sidequests. 😂🔥
I loved the Sarah Connor chronicles, and that was sometimes female centered and sometimes male. I loved the characters, the actors were great, stories smart, and when it ended I mourned, and i still wish i could hop over to a universe with a few more seasons and grab the blurays.
I never seen The Sarah Connor Chronicles.
Ah yes, been there with Samus as well as a kid. I can totally relate.
Also I agree with you about Ahsoka. A ton of guys like that character (myself included). Season 7 was freakin amazing and she had amazing character development throughout the series imo.
Acolyte suffers from the same problem TLJ suffered from, all the characters continuously make stupid decisions if only to further the plot. One bad choice, in the heat of the moment, I can understand but it's like everyone on the show as been set to dumb. Any sort of training, or logic, or basic common sense are thrown out the window and dumb is left to rule the day just so the story can advance to the next scene.
The argument that we don't like female protagonists is just such a shit excuse when Fallout series exists and blew off so hard. That show was so good
Please make it happen. Asmongold, Theory, Moist, Nerdorodic, Mauler need to find a stage together. The Internet will go nuclear.
There were definitely retcons back in the day, but there were always good reasons behind them, there werent retcons for the sake of having retcons.
There hasn’t been a retcon in the Acolyte yet.
@@zachrobinson6801what are you talking about
@@super-manny5648 reread what I said.
Never back down Theory! Thank you for defending SW fandom and George's work.
It took him a bit though…but I’ve always just put it down as him being a big time optimist and too nice.
@@jdgoesham5381 And while he himself started to see the light, his Discord server is still sanitized so that you can't even hint at criticising the current Disney Star Wars
@@EkleipsiGretwhy are you here lying?
@@EkleipsiGretnobody believes your lies. Why are you here? To spread more hate? Take that shxt somewhere else. Its not wanted here.
@@EkleipsiGretthat was proven to be a troll and the account is now gone. Take your hate somewhere else, its not wanted here.
They did retcon things in the first 6 films. Obi wan wasn't trained by Yoda, it was Qui Gon. Leigh remembers her mother even though she died in childbirth. Han not believing in the Force even though Chewie fought alongside Yoda. The worst being that Greedo shot first. Not cannon breaking but they are there
Obi Wan was trained by Yoda before he became Qui Jon's apprentice. Remember each Jedi trains as students taking classes with different Jedi instructors during their youth at the Jedi Academy before they are appointed a master. In the prequels Yoda is training a group of student when Obi Wan visits him in Episode 2 so we can assume Obi Wan went through a similar experience.
Most do not know or understand the stigma there was being a star wars fan just 15 to 20 years ago. Carrying around EU books, reading them in class, or wearing SW shirts would cause people to make fun of you and call you names you can no longer say. It was like this for most of nerd culture and caused many of us to feel alienated from our peers, especially in school. Now everyone pretends like they always thought was always cool. My grandpa showed me SW on VHS when i was 9 and it changed my life. Every time I watch or read I think of him. We spoke about lessons and deeper meanings in the films and books which was so important to me.
There is no such stigma around SW anymore and everyone pretends nerd culture has always been popular. The stigma now is with those who say wait this doesnt make sense or the writing is bad. SW has always been diverse and representative and no one thought about it that way exclusively, its weird now. Going back to the EU books and films and The Old Republic. A ton on them center around wonderfully written female characters. Heck, even the earliest book on the timeline occuring in 25,000 BBY is about a women. Its bizarre that ALL of this is ignored and instead we're still called names despite how much many of us want to love it desperately.
Ive read almost all the high republic books now including scripts and comic books and some of it is great and has all the "modern stuff" also. Even the Cults that are centered around much of the Phase II stuff is much better written than this. When you read them or listen to an interview with the writers it is aparent who loves SW and who doesnt as that often reflects the quality of the books. Im really trying with it and some is great while other parts, not so much.
Anyway, I have so much more I wanna say and have been silent about but its hard to talk to anyone about SW in general anymore without being harassed for simple opinions. I love SW so much. I will continue to love SW and try to enjoy what is good about it. I just picked up Darth Maul Black White and Red 3 that came out wednesday and its great. I also picked up the latest High Republic comic about a female Jedi named Ty Yorrick and I like her a lot especially in the book The Rising Storm. So much more to say but I'll leave it there..
Feel free to respond to this with your SW stories or thoughts. Thanks Star Wars Theory for your content been enjoying your theories since The Force Awakens on various channels. Many of you made me realize there were many of you with similar experiences and I thank you all for that.
Peace. Love. Keep the discussion civil. And May the Force be with You All.
Even if they decided to retcon when Ki-Adi-Mundi was born, they still haven't changed how long his species actually lives, so therefore he can't be alive in both time periods.
I don't know. I mean, if lifespans are the same as humans, and with similar average--mixed with obviously better medical care, and the force--who knows, maybe the darker side of Ki Adi, is shooting up Bacta on his downtime. Even in real life, you're getting people living passed 100 like it's nothing now. The oldest recorded in human history so far was Jeanne Calment of France, at 122.
Maybe it's another reason for him being old and senile, just sitting on the council and not giving a crap, and totally forgetting about this period of his life. That's all a stretch, though.
It isn't about whether the character is male or female. It just matters how well it's written. Look at Blue Eye Samurai. That show was AWESOME, and it actually handled some social justice topics with actual nuance and tact and wasn't overtly political (see purple haired bitch from Last Jedi...), and had not one, but TWO strong female protagonists in my opinion, but they were executed in completely different ways. One rejected her gender to try to live as a samurai and learn to fight to get revenge on her creator, while the other utilized her femininity and intellect/cunning to claw back any morsel of power and agency she could get her hands on while still operating within the restrictions of an era where women were treated as property to be married off. Yes, them being female was a pretty big part of the story, but the action was on point, the plot was on point, and the characters were WELL WRITTEN and didn't just go around acting as if their previous actions in the story meant absolutely nothing. It didn't feel like a shitty communist propaganda film or something. It felt like the character's motives and actions were justified, and they weren't some fucking chosen one Mary Sue with random shit just happening to them. There was build up and pay-off, foreshadowing, character flaws, etc. and it all MADE SENSE instead of it feeling like the characters were female just to meet some diversity quota.
As a woman I can relate with characters like Padme, Leia, Senator Chuchi, Satine...they're all strong women without lightsabers - just wise, smart and kind.
I don't like to see women as soldiers all the time, women have our different approach to the problems of the world.
As a man, I love hearing from female SW fans and getting their thoughts and opinions about SW in general and the current series. Theory and many of the other SW commentators have a lot of great things to share, but I'm thankful when women like you are vocal in the discussion!
we star wars fans need more women like you with this thought process. :)
As a woman I like to see women as soldiers
Ahsoka is my favourite
@@guki8489 I like Ahsoka a lot. I said that I relate more with women in the diplomacy.
@@TripPrincesswell there’s some of both so idk why either of you guys are arguing.
You know one thing I’ve noticed is that compared to when people were defending the last Jedi I’ve seen a lot less of the “This is just a show about space wizards that’s meant for kids” it probably still gets thrown around but I’ve seen a lot less of it with acolyte than with the last Jedi. Just a little observation I’m making
This problem isn’t just about Disney. It’s every area, it makes the population easier to control when it fights itself.
All the true fans are on your side. Keep up the good work!
Absolutly !
Meanwhile on the side of Disney star wars shills : ''StAr WaRs Is FoR EvErYoNe 🤓''
the power of MANY
@@lholocron just cause some like it doesn't mean they are shills,, i close my eyes when there are "cringe/woke" parts in the show and focus on what's ahead. If you hate 1 think about the show that's okay, but hating 1 thing = whole show is trash is not how i critique shows.
The power of Theeoorrrrryyyyyyyy
@@ziaco9166 those in the cringe video are very shills. No need to argue with that, it would be pointless
13:40 I would love to see this podcast, you guys are some of my favorite youtubers
a Star Wars Theory - Asmongold crossover was not on my bingo card
At this point I hear SWT say “ists and phobes” at least 7 times per video. I’m getting EXHAUSTED. He’s so obsessed with
Cool
You have to remember that Asmondgold is a War Of Warcraft player and he has always called out Blizzard.
I grew up watching the originals once a year on TV, but was too young to really understand them, then the phantom menace came out when I was 10 and i absolutely loved it. I owned it on Home Video, and as kids often did back then i basically watched it on repeat, over and over again for years.
I had to deal with older Kids, who grew up with the originals, shitting on the prequals. I saw kids my own age, who originally liked them just like i did, change their opinion because they thought it would somehow make them cool like the older kids.
Only a minority of us really stuck to our opinion and we had to defend the prequals to everybody... Jaa Jaa this, Pod Race that, Politics boring. Then episode 2 came out, and people quietened down a bit, then episode 3 came out, and people went crazy.
You still had those older kids, now grown up, that still hating on them. Plus some of the hate trenders who had long since convinced themselves they never liked them. BUT you also had many of the people who pretended that they hated them, just to seem cool, were older now and could admit that they liked them and join in on the hype.
Of course those individuals acted like they always stuck to their guns, when really they let themselves be led, but who cares, they were nerdy kids just trying to fit in.
Starwars fans in general were nerds, before that was trendy or hip, anything but. we were "cool" or "uncool" within our own circles, but to the outside world we were just comicon nerds, before comicon was a thing.
Starwars was for us, it was ours, i don't care if you're a boy, girl, black, white, purple, green, a starfish, or a gelatinous blob. It was George Lucas's gift to us, The Starwars Fans, The Star trek Fans, the Stargate fans, the dweebs, the geeks, the nerds, the kids with lisps, and social anxiety, the socially awkward kids.
Starwars was our refuge, it was our safe space. AND THE ABSOLUTE HIDE of these people to call us every derogatory name under the sun, call us toxic, for defending the franchise that I'm sure many of us could even go so far as to say literally saved our lives.
Its disgusting, these people who have taken over starwars and filled it with their own political dogma, moronic ideology, turning it into nothing more than obnoxious propaganda, regurgitated into one IP after the other.
The Terminator, Ghost Busters, Indiana Jones, Marvel Comics, Magic the Gathering, Dungeons and Dragons. You name it and they have infected it and twisted it into this hateful racist DEI nightmare. Nothing is sacred to these people.
Anyone defending this kind of trash, should be ashamed of themselves. We nerds had to go through so much BS and too much discrimination, degradation and abuse, for you to just waltze in like you own the place, only to shyt on everything that we loved.
And worst of all, we welcomed you fckers in with open arms, why? because we actually cared about other people, didn't want anyone to feel excluded, or alone, because we had been there our entire lives. Sure come in, sit by the fire, i think its cool that you like XYZ thing you're to ashamed to tell others at school, because they will pick on you for it. Want to play Warhammer, I'll even lend you my other army.
You wormed your way in like a fucking parasite, and now entire fandoms are left in ruins. Honestly fck all of you, you decrepit, rancid, human beings. I hope you have something you love taken away from you and destroyed right in front of your eyes, then when you complain about it, people tell you to grow up and get over it.
Scum
Wait, so you say there was no retcon in the OG but when I grew up Han was the ONLY one who got a shot off.
Wait... are you saying Han didn't shoot first? I d9nt recall him not shooting first at the end of his meeting with Greedo.
Yupp. Han shot first
Should be retcon wars, they’ve always been doing it. There is no plan!
That doesn't count as a retcon because no matter who shot first it didn't have any repercussions to the story or change anything in the plot. It was simply a character decision that George made.
I know right? And it totally ruined the scene when they “fixed” it. The scene was awesome BECAUSE he shot first.
Asmongold and Star Wars Theory was never something I thought was going to happen when watching Asmon's WoW achievement videos 10 years ago
Same 😂
I recently saw a TH-camr who I casually watched. I think mostly from her saber skills and some reviews of them.
She essentially said oh let’s just all get along and not say bad things about Star Wars, followed up by saying she loves everything Star Wars it doesn’t matter what it is. She started getting invites and more recognition, so she is 100% going to fall in line on everything they ever do.
It made me stop following her, because if I want Disney corporate opinions, I’ll check their socials.
Disney has forgotten George's statement about SW.... That Star Wars is a film for 12-year old kids. If you don't get that core idea, you don't get Star Wars.
Yeah it's not about lesbos it's about simple but pretty amazing story telling that lasts and what Disney created doesn't seem to stand a chance lasting
The toxic positivity/negativity kinda reminded me of the Jedi/Sith conundrum
The Sith become so passionate and fearful of what they love, that they loose sight of the consequences of their actions and stop at nothing (toxic negativity)
While the Jedi became so focused on the balance and minding their feelings, that they became complacent of wrong doings (toxic positivity)
I find that an interesting point of view
Being told you need to like the new Star Wars because you are a Star Wars fan is like being told you need to like Sticker Star because you are a Paper Mario fan…
you're allowed to dislike the acolyte
you're allowed to dislike ashoka
you're allowed to dislike kenobi
dont you dare talk shit about Andor
The most frustrating aspect is how Asian Kylo Ren is the coolest character and instead we are forced to follow the twins who have absolutely nothing interesting about them
One of the most beautiful things a story can do is make you relate to someone who doesn’t look like you. Then you know it's touched your soul. Good video, Theory!
Where's the petition for a Christopher Nolan SW trilogy ?
I’ve been wanting Nolan to do Star Wars for years!
Retcons ALWAYS matter, regardless of how small. Even a tiny detail changed can be a sign that the writer is either ignorant of previously established elements in a story or is willing to make more changes in the future. It's the "foot in the door," how much are you willing to let that door open?
We love you Theory ❤
11:07 I'm with you here Star Wars Theory, I don't think it matters if a protagonist is male or female. But I think what Asmongold is trying to get at is that Lucasfilm stated that it was their intention to make a "female-centric" story, and he doesn't believe it will attract as many male viewers.
2:19 “It’s never too late to not be a dick” -Cassie Lang
Just when I thought Theory couldn’t be more relatable he says he had a mega crush on Samus as a kid. Hell yeah
May I add that my dad absolutely loved and rooted for the leopard Padawan in the latest episode my dad was getting into Star Wars again then like all things in Disney Star Wars she died
A needless death that amounts to nothing
No rage mode from Osha…Sol didn’t kill the “sith”
Nothing….
And their dead bodies AND lightsabers are still just chillin on that planet 🤷🏾♂️
Cuz..y’know Jedi don’t do live burials unless it’s a Master Jedi 🤷🏾♂️🤷🏾♂️
The biggest plot hole is they left the bodies. Same bodies that have lightsaber wounds…so even IF Sol does not IMMEDIATELY tell the council what happened in next episode…it still looks bad as nobody covers their tracks(writing) with this show.
I will not be shocked if it’s the green bich behind all this and that she covers everything up 🤷🏾♂️
It makes the most logical sense imo as the “sith” would need someone on the inside to keep things nice and quiet while they..while they train a shitty acolyte??
Idk where this shows plot is going 🤦🏾♂️
Yeah, Daphne Keen was wasted in this show
Yes Jecki was an actual Jedi Padawan. Spoke like a Jedi, fought like a Jedi. She was a great character
@@thegamemattster she literally disgraced Mae while arresting her in the most hateful tone
“For the murder of your family!”
Like bruh…no need to rub shit in..
Anything BUT jedi-like bro
Just arrest the person and be done with it. No need for the theatrics. But I guess she was told to be an actor first and the character second 🤷🏾♂️
@@Lurkai what? lol she told her what she was guilty of. How is that disgracing her lol. How is through fight exhaustion her tone change hateful? I think you’re just seeing a Padawan going through an intense mission.
Seriously been paying attention to whats happening to SW lately.
Star Wars is a staple in our society i think, across the world and in many cultures.
P.S you take care out here Theory and much respect.
This crossover is amazing
If you stop watching, that is when your opinion is heard. Doesn't matter if you don't like it and say its bad, You are still watching it giving them the numbers they want. Stop watching they see their numbers go down, they change and jump thru your hoops to earn your dollar.
The True Sons of Dorn will never back down or surrender to this evil
Nice Imperial Fists reference 👍
Abhor the witch
FOR THE EMPEROR
As an Iron Warriors fan, I would set aside my hate to stand beside you
If you can see us, we are dangerous indeed. But that is as nothing to the peril you face if you cannot see us, and all you can hear is our laughter.
This hits me on a deep level. Star Wars is tied into my family and wouldn't exist today to be ruined by Disney. If it was just written well, I'd accept and enjoy any show and cast. I haven't watched it at all. I'm pushing 50 and never will again. I was told that it wasn't made for me. They did the same with Dr. Who. I was born a white man. Why am I hated by Disney? I had a decades old DVC membership that my entire family dumped. I enjoyed Ashoka, I love that character. Clone Wars, Rebels, A new hope! Strong female leads that made the lore so much richer. Disney needs to stop spewing hate. Write good stories, and we, the fans, will be there.
Above all else, I want an apology to us, the Fandom. I want an apology to George.
I believe they would rather shutter their doors before giving one.
That's how Star Wars will die.
Haven't watched the Acolyte yet, so haven't watched any of your videos yet, but I can't wait to binge them all, when me and my dad finally catch up on all the latest star wars material. Finally watching Andor, and that shit slaps!
It'll disappear once it's done
Bud just watch Theorys reviews. He breaks down lore really well when they choose to destroy it lol. This shit will make your jaw drop with amazement and discust! witnessing this writing, direction, cinematography, set pieces is that fuckin bad. screw it give it a watch just for the shock value! Andor was good they should stayed with that director.
You can watch it if you like, but imo its not worth it. The first four episodes are just......bad😂 episode 5 is the best of the worst (if that makes sense)
@@Mrmizzy55probably shouldn't watch theory for deep lore it's not really his thing. He hasn't read a lot of the material
@@davidfrederiksen3185just a total lie
The funny thing is that I just had some call me an incel for bringing up tangible problems with the storytelling. Not bringing up any of those right wing buzzwords. Just looking at dialogue and scene progression and narrative decisions. The people defending the show are so brainwashed that they just assume anyone who doesn’t like it is a bigot and there are no legitimate criticisms on how the show was executed. If that mentality continues to drive how this franchise is run, I don’t know if there is any saving it.
I am a mathematical physicist and I have also studied philosophy. Arguing that fans who hate on Acolyte do so because they hate women, is a textbook example of a strawman argument. They are purposefully misrepresenting our position on the matter in way that makes it easier for them to dispute and ague against our position. It is an extremely common argumentative fallacy. [Also, yes, 8 years is approximately how long it takes to finish a PhD from high school:)]
The fact that most people favorite characther including myself is Sol rule out racism claims that they want so hard to believe in.
It's not about not liking women, Alien and Aliens were some of the best movies ever made. It's about bad stories
Hate is a natural human emotion. Anyone telling you you’re not allowed to hate is taking away your human rights
Have you seen Snarky Jays letter to Kathleen Kennedy? You should react to that video it’s pretty awesome.
I sincerely believe you all should watch Blind Waves discussion and Red Letter Medias discussion as well.
At first, I thought Mae was a terribly-written character but the more I consider it; The flip-flopping, contradiction, mood swinging from love to wanting to kill, running away every time trouble comes, denying her responsibility and blaming everyone else, and now the trickery to pretend she's someone she isn't...
This may be the most accurate portrayal of a woman ever. 😂
I’m not sure if it was written in of your comment sections but somebody had the audacity to say, “well I think sol is the most perfect Jedi we have seen in all Star Wars!” And I argued that Yoda is more perfect, yet they argued that he was sent to exile, and I said “if you knew Star Wars, you’d know he exiled himself for not defeating Palpatine.” Then he said “well that’s not very Jedi like!” And I said “we don’t even know what happens to sol yet calm down.” And it went on an on and before every sentence they dropped “wtf dude!”
Theory, keep fighting the good fight brother. I plan on buying a theory saber soon, its pretty high on my list. Definitely going with the Ronin.
4:50 😂🤣 starting off the day right with a good laugh. Thanks Theory. I did NOT expect that
Rouge One had a lead female character and I had a great time watching it. So to say that fans like myself don’t like the show because the lead is female is mostly false. There will always be a very small group of haters that just hate because they can. I just want a good fun story with great action and make sense with its lore. I don’t care what or who the mc is. MC could be a dog from Mars of all I care. I just want a good story. Tho making a dog Jedi might be hard to sell…..are there dog Jedi/alien/sith?
There is, but it's only quasi canon. A sentient dog and a sentient rabbit were included in a spinoff comic and then later put in one of the video games as an easter egg.
@@amyb.6368 where can I learn this power?
I didn’t mind the first two episodes it’s when we got 2 extra babies born by the force that push me over the edge. If they just didn’t bother with the lore already put in place I’d be fine. A quick fix is the witches seduce and kill Jedi men when they done receiving “Jedi seed” and dispose of all male births. If they hate men go dark with it. And that’s why ocea didn’t wanna become a witch after seeing that transpire. Instead trying to have Kate and Edith too.
Didn't you see RLM's video? You're not supposed to have an opinion about anything when there's hungry people existing!
Their acolyte review?
Did they really say that?
@@AtramentousMindframe-ju5fx Yeah they did. But they also admitted that they would probably care more if they were more into SW. They are Star Trek people and took it just as hard when that was bastardized.
Yeah Mike's budget on alcohol alone could feed a number of those starving kids he's never helped with anything in his life. I just unsubbed from that channel after watching that. Nothing like listening to the guys who never grew up out of high school talking like they have ever experienced anything more than making videos talking about forms of media to mostly people just taking a dump.
@@AtramentousMindframe-ju5fxYes, I just watched it and it was a really bad take from them on this. I think the constant consumption of alcohol has severely caused irreversible damage to their minds. Their review makes a lot of ignorant assumptions with weak generizalitions about a lot of other creators including Stars Wars Theory. I have seen a lot of different takes on this but theirs was the worst. Of course they didn't even include Angry Joe's, which also said this show is just really bad.
Plenty of Jedi actually do die during this era in the High Republic novels due to the Nihil. The Nihil are basically marauders furious at the Republic trying to expand their territory and have resorted to extremist style tactics. They can easily use the Nihil as an out for the deaths, and as long as Ki Adi Mundi isn't a firsthand witness, it doesn't actually matter.
Man what i would give to see Theory and Asmon chatting it out. I didnt knew till now that i needed that
If people were aloud to not like things they don’t like, it would be way less toxic. The toxicity mainly spews out when people or a group of people are told they can’t not like something, then the opposite side say “we need to get rid of this toxicity” and it’s just a never ending cycle. Allowing people more freedom to think what they want will reduce the overall toxicity people face in life. Whereas the opposite side think they can just completely get rid of it which is impossible.
I just find it funny they named the Korean Jedi Sol. They named him after the Korean capital.
missing 2 letters
@@MidnightNachos Still the same pronunciation.
The only thing i have to say about the sith have been extinct thing, Maul literally says to palpatine in episode 1 "at last we will reveal ourselves to the jedi, at last we will have our revenge"so they obviously have been hidden so if sol dies before he gets to coruscant it makes sense for ki adi mundi to not think the sith are a thing
Asmon and Theory together in a video is something I want to see more in the future since he has interesting thoughts on Star Wars and he wants to see Eclipse getting developed as soon as possible...
I love these reactions to others reactions. Trying to start my channel back up and trying to figure out the best theme and way to do it. This was an idea I had. So groovy to see you doing it at least I know it was a groovtastic idea. Much love keep rising. May the force be with you all
For Asmon to understand the Ki Adi thing you need to find a WOW analogy of something similar to drive it home to him
Dude I would love for you to make a guest appearance on overlordDVD Wednesday live streams. I believe they’re boomers (40s-50s) but they’ve given you a couple shout outs before. They’re the original Star Wars fans from the 80s basically
George retconned a lot. for example. Leia telling she remembers her Mother. we know how that turned out an how unlikly it is, that she does. i mean even just in the OT,that vader is Luke Father and leias is his sister are retcons. none of them was planned in episode 4
I always took that she saw her life when she was in the womb
Those aren’t retcons though, those are creative decisions that don’t break lore and add to lore. They don’t contradict other established stories and known facts.
@@EE-yh8ms leia remembering her Mother is for sure a retcon.
4:50 Theory's double take reaction made me chuckle. Brilliant 😂😂
If people hated girl characters why didn’t hunger games fail lmao
How did alien run so long, even with some of those movies sucking. Or resident evil. Or...or or...
@@noneyabizz8337 stooooooppphh you’re effecting their bottom liiiinee 🥺
Or recently the fallout series. Pretty good score for a female lead series.
Nah I HATE Ashoka
I hate how fkn cool she is 😩
@@Lurkai to be fair clone wars Ashoka is good the live action was honestly disrespectful lol
9:10. Epic movie list.! Literally every single thing you're saying. Is ultra 100%.!!! 🙏🍻
MY BOY ASMON ON SW THEORY???!!! Nice. I like.
When I was a kid it was Kyle Katarn because I was addicted to playing Dark Forces 1 & 2 and Jedi Knight.
Did I miss the part Ki adi Mundi was told there was a a red lightsabre sith killing jedi? People keep pivoting to that point but it holds no water. That scene isnt there. The audience knows its a sith but no one else that wasn’t in that jungle.
It's important to remember that a lot of the people watching these videos don't watch the show
You missed a part that you cut out, where Asmongold says, 'If the story is good, it doesn't matter the age of a character', And I think it's the same with Obi-Wan's age from Episode 3 to Episode 4. Ewan's age doesn't really match Alec Guinness's, but no one cared because the story is incredibly good.
Vader being the father was absolutely a retcon.
At this point, I'm waiting on Kathleen to turn into a Lord of Change and go "All according to plan."
Can you make: What if Palpatine Executed Order 69 instead of Order 66?