My dad got to fly one of these. Awesome machine. So fast, built like a tank. The pilot who he was flying with said "Ok, now do a 8000fpm descent". He was like what, but did it. The speed build up to 340 or so KTAS! Awesome plane this is.
You are correct that you need the forementioned endorsements, however you also need a type rating for the TBM since it is a "turbine" aircraft and all such aircraft must be flown by pilots with the TYPE Rating.
The Citation Mustang is a very strong competitor to the TBM 850. US ATC will clear you all day long to FL390 to FL410 in the Citation Mustang. With good experience you can get insurance for $14,100 per year for full hull and $25 million liability. In the Citation you will burn more fuel per mile. The Citation Mustang has better baggage capacity and a lav.
@sheldonholy I'm not sure if you're a pilot, you may be mistaking true airspeed with indicated airspeed or groundspeed. The Avanti 2 is the fastest current production turboprop at around 405 true airspeed. The Condorde at 55,000 cruising altitude had a true airspeed of around 1,100-1,200 ktas.
More than a few years ago my best friend had a TBM 700. He had it 4 or 5 yrs. VERY fast. I loved flying with him in it. He sold his Bonanza and purchased the 700. He finally decided he wasn't getting his money's worth out of it so he sold it and bought himself a 1947 PA11 in show room condition I might add..lol. Now you talk about a plane that's fun to fly in...
Twin jet overhaul runs $700,000 Versus $250,000 for TBM. Fuel burn is 30GPM less @ $5.50/gal that $165/hour cheaper. Although VLJ is certified to 41,000 because of lower speed ATC will never let you get over 30,000 increasing fuel burn even more. TBM will fly out of grass strips of 2000', VLJ is 3500'. Insurance for a 5000hr rated pilot will cost $12,000 in TBM, $32,000 in VLJ.
@GMSNMS Whoops I meant indicated. My bad :) I am not a pilot my self, but I do fly (I probably have about 20 hours) about once a month and my dad has a CPL/IR (his plane is N113AC) and flies every week.
Not for US Pilots, a Type Rating is only for TurboJet powered aircraft according to 14 CFR 61.31 A turboprop wouldn't fall under a Type Rating unless its over 12,500lbs or had special flight characteristics and or operations that the Administrator of the FAA deemed to require a type rating. Even for as fast and as big as the Piaggio Avanti is, even that doesn't require a Type Rating. Its max takeoff weight is 11,550lbs. If I'm wrong, then my Merlin time is now 0.
This plane only requires a "complex" endorsement, for the retractable gear and vari-pitch prop. It is too light, engine too small and is a single engine to require anything else. Having said that; it would be wise to have 200 hrs and an ILS rating to be safe. In fact several insurance companies require these extras ( plus 6-10 dual instructor hours) to get coverage
@sheldonholy I overlooked the part in the video where they specified single engine, however the Avanti is the fastest turboprop, surpassing some jets, at 400+ ktas!!!
The host should have made a finer distinction, but those actually function as spoilerons, with each operating independently from the other, and in unison with aileron inputs. Reducing lift asymmetrically to provide roll control. If deployed together - which they do not do, then they would indeed spoil airflow over both wings, and reduce lift entirely.
To have used all 850 on take off would have required recertification, ergo they have a TBM 700 on take-off but bring in the extra once airborne. 700 hp is more than enough on take off
Not sure of the LT's economy but definitely pricey ... around 2.5m. It's certified to Fl290 but is good to 310. It's technically a kit plane but they are all built in the Epic facility under factory supervision.
I would have thought that the spoiler on the wing would reduce Lift like the name sugests and as they do on large transport aircraft, Rather than creating increased downforce.
why onlye limited to 700hp on take-off but up to 850 after flaps are off??? I thought you would use max power for take-off when fully loaded to get the best performance off the ground ie, short field take-off or unsealed runway.
@GMSNMS That's twin. It's not the fastest. It is 3x more expensive and is 3x more noisy. It seats something like double the people of this so there is no comparison.
Hate to tell you chaps but the Epic LT does "economy" cruise at 280kts and is very happy at 350. The TBM is nice indeed but not the "Fastest single turboprop"
Enough with the kit comments guys - insurance is impossible and the FAA imposes a number of limits on aircraft like that. There are lots of TBM700s and 850s flying, all under the management and direction of a first-class company with extensive engineering experience. Epics are beautiful aircraft, but not really in the same class as this, as far as functionality and safety (especially slow flight and capacity) are concerned.
Dreaming now ! Thanks for the vision !
My goodness what a marvelous airplane !
My dad got to fly one of these. Awesome machine. So fast, built like a tank. The pilot who he was flying with said "Ok, now do a 8000fpm descent". He was like what, but did it. The speed build up to 340 or so KTAS!
Awesome plane this is.
Roooooaaaaarrrrr, what an aircraft!
Love this plane. LOVE IT
You are correct that you need the forementioned endorsements, however you also need a type rating for the TBM since it is a "turbine" aircraft and all such aircraft must be flown by pilots with the TYPE Rating.
The Citation Mustang is a very strong competitor to the TBM 850. US ATC will clear you all day long to FL390 to FL410 in the Citation Mustang. With good experience you can get insurance for $14,100 per year for full hull and $25 million liability. In the Citation you will burn more fuel per mile. The Citation Mustang has better baggage capacity and a lav.
@sheldonholy I'm not sure if you're a pilot, you may be mistaking true airspeed with indicated airspeed or groundspeed. The Avanti 2 is the fastest current production turboprop at around 405 true airspeed. The Condorde at 55,000 cruising altitude had a true airspeed of around 1,100-1,200 ktas.
More than a few years ago my best friend had a TBM 700. He had it 4 or 5 yrs. VERY fast. I loved flying with him in it. He sold his Bonanza and purchased the 700. He finally decided he wasn't getting his money's worth out of it so he sold it and bought himself a 1947 PA11 in show room condition I might add..lol. Now you talk about a plane that's fun to fly in...
Twin jet overhaul runs $700,000 Versus $250,000 for TBM. Fuel burn is 30GPM less @ $5.50/gal that $165/hour cheaper. Although VLJ is certified to 41,000 because of lower speed ATC will never let you get over 30,000 increasing fuel burn even more. TBM will fly out of grass strips of 2000', VLJ is 3500'. Insurance for a 5000hr rated pilot will cost $12,000 in TBM, $32,000 in VLJ.
nice video!
Cant wait for Carenado to release this for FSX, going into my Virtual Airline ASAP
@GMSNMS Whoops I meant indicated. My bad :)
I am not a pilot my self, but I do fly (I probably have about 20 hours) about once a month and my dad has a CPL/IR (his plane is N113AC) and flies every week.
Amazing
That is a life!
Not for US Pilots, a Type Rating is only for TurboJet powered aircraft according to 14 CFR 61.31 A turboprop wouldn't fall under a Type Rating unless its over 12,500lbs or had special flight characteristics and or operations that the Administrator of the FAA deemed to require a type rating. Even for as fast and as big as the Piaggio Avanti is, even that doesn't require a Type Rating. Its max takeoff weight is 11,550lbs. If I'm wrong, then my Merlin time is now 0.
This plane only requires a "complex" endorsement, for the retractable gear and vari-pitch prop. It is too light, engine too small and is a single engine to require anything else.
Having said that; it would be wise to have 200 hrs and an ILS rating to be safe. In fact several insurance companies require these extras ( plus 6-10 dual instructor hours) to get coverage
What a TOY!
@sheldonholy I overlooked the part in the video where they specified single engine, however the Avanti is the fastest turboprop, surpassing some jets, at 400+ ktas!!!
The host should have made a finer distinction, but those actually function as spoilerons, with each operating independently from the other, and in unison with aileron inputs. Reducing lift asymmetrically to provide roll control. If deployed together - which they do not do, then they would indeed spoil airflow over both wings, and reduce lift entirely.
What is needed for a sinlge engine turbine class rating? Great video and plane.
To have used all 850 on take off would have required recertification, ergo they have a TBM 700 on take-off but bring in the extra once airborne. 700 hp is more than enough on take off
I thought that Socato had stopped production of this aircraft.. such a shame...
Not sure of the LT's economy but definitely pricey ... around 2.5m. It's certified to Fl290 but is good to 310. It's technically a kit plane but they are all built in the Epic facility under factory supervision.
So, let's hear the airplane already!
@GMSNMS ...that's a twin engine. go back to 0:15 and try again.
@GMSNMS The Avanti does not quite do 400 TRUE!
I don't think Concorde even did 400KTAS!!
@GMSNMS uh, I believe that has two engines. And it's not the fastest (but it is badass) I believe it's also 3x more expensive.
What surpassed it? The Kestrel still isn't in production AFAIK and neither is the Epic Dynasty.
I would have thought that the spoiler on the wing would reduce Lift like the name sugests and as they do on large transport aircraft, Rather than creating increased downforce.
why onlye limited to 700hp on take-off but up to 850 after flaps are off??? I thought you would use max power for take-off when fully loaded to get the best performance off the ground ie, short field take-off or unsealed runway.
garage band music?
3 million for a six seat plane! Ouch! I'm thinking a nice used King Air 350 that can take 9-10 passengers instead with still only 1 pilot.
@GMSNMS That's twin. It's not the fastest. It is 3x more expensive and is 3x more noisy. It seats something like double the people of this so there is no comparison.
Hate to tell you chaps but the Epic LT does "economy" cruise at 280kts and is very happy at 350. The TBM is nice indeed but not the "Fastest single turboprop"
@woodartdesign ...Kit plane.
Enough with the kit comments guys - insurance is impossible and the FAA imposes a number of limits on aircraft like that. There are lots of TBM700s and 850s flying, all under the management and direction of a first-class company with extensive engineering experience. Epics are beautiful aircraft, but not really in the same class as this, as far as functionality and safety (especially slow flight and capacity) are concerned.
GO PT6 and go Canada!
Whats with the 80s cool rock..i want to hear the damn plane.
Looks like a smaller 'copycat version' of a Pilatus PC-12NG !
What's?
FASTEST TURBOPROP IS THE P180, AVANTI.
They're not the fastet in the market any more.