ALMOST THERE: Tesla FSD 12.3 REVELATIONS
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 19 มี.ค. 2024
- After months of waiting, I finally got to test drive Tesla's FSD Beta v12.3--and it's a stunning step change in the way that Tesla handles autonomous driving! But there are still some significant issues to fix. The big question is: is the the "Holy Grail" architecture that will allow these issues to be addressed rapidly with more data and compute, or will there still be bottlenecks in the architecture that could keep Tesla from achieving full autonomy soon.
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I'm an assertive driver too, but when I'm not the one driving, I don't care much.
And for a robotaxi safety is higher priority.
agreed!
I agree with this statement when it’s assertive mode it’s like I have to watch the vehicle I only disengage when I want to drive faster and switch lanes fast
Too much coffee today, Dr. know-it-all. 😅
Stop giving it GAS. That will destroy an EV. 😂
It might ruin your seat bottom. Do you have bio-hazard mode?
how will it make fart sounds?
We will always say we are giving it gas, just like we still say "caught on tape"
It’s a GAS pedal
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Pedal.
And we still say "film at 11." Even movies aren't filmed so much as before. So hold your horses on the criticism.
Also got it. Love it! Wife is more relaxed. Only goose it at stop signs where NHTSA irrational requirements call for FULL STOP, which frustrates drivers behind me.
As long as FSD is around, NHTSA will always be there to heavily regulate it, which sucks for us FSD users and drivers around us.
I got FSD 12.3 today. My experience with AUTO speed limit was VERY good. At the traffic light, FSD started very confident driving up to 45 mph (the posted speed limit). After 10 sec or so, other cars started to catch-up driving over the speed limit. FSD started increasing the max speed matching the traffic around me. At 58mph, stopped accelerating, put the turn-signal, and switched to the right lane allowing the faster traffic to pass. This was a very human like behaviour.
I would have been driving below the speed limit on a street with frequent speed bumps too.
FSD v12.3 is the first version to pass the "Wife Test" in our household. Would like to know how Miss Information feels about it.
Same in my household.….first version my wife wasn’t saying my car was an idiot.
Same here. My wife HATED previous versions and is actually highly impressed with 12.3
It’s amazing how much your assessment has changed. 12 months ago if you could get a drive like that you would have been absolutely raving about it. Now your major complaint is that it’s a little “whoosh”. 😂
Wuss not "whoosh."
Actually it is wussy.
In addition to to Chill, Average, and Assertive, FSD needs to have a “John” mode just for you😊
You see I'm visually impaired. You guys are very blessed to have a car that can drive itself safely. I would love, and be thankful to have a car that can drive itself. To gain more self independent
I hope that fsd is successful at some point for your use case.
I hope it gets approved too -so I can sleep during commutes.
@@mp6756 I hope so too.
I wouldn’t hold my breath
FSD prioritizes safety. I don't think FSD is ever meant to drive like a stressed out driver. 😅
Yes, pay attention to the car and learn.
It’s slower than I drive but I’ve come to the realization, after watching it handle blind corners and stop signs, that it’s a safer driver than me. 😅 Good taxi speed.
I got another hour with 12.3. Some of the difficult country road (North GA) turns it fumbled in the past, now just glides through. And yes did seem to run under the speed limit for no apparent reason. I am confident that we will be seeing new versions frequently from now on. Love it.
Agreed. If all cars were self driving, self driving would be easy.
For me traffic lights have progressively gotten way too long. I am 76 and now my life is ticking by at these huge traffic slow downs.
Well, since non-existence is an impossibility, you will reanimate as some kind of entity at some time and some place in this universe or another.
If you were hoping for eternal peace and rest...😢 sorry.
Besides, eternal doesn't mean anything outside of time, where a femtosecond and a septillion years are indistinguishable.
I am 80, you won't have to drive for very longer.
I live in Vancouver, B.C. but spent a month driving around the Northeastern part of the U.S. last fall. One of the first things I noticed was how long the red lights are in the U.S. compared to those in Canada. Are these much longer traffic stops a recent phenomenon?
How much coffee did u have b4 filming this? Haha. I guess I would be excited too!
Maybe oneday you will be able to set the route and then chill with the laptop and before you know it you're at the destination.
Was looking forward to it. I started supporting your channel (instead of Electric Viking) largely for these videos because I live nearby. Happy that you finally received v12.
Love how you're still "giving it a little gas".
If the thing can ever drive me around, without my attention, I won't care about the route it takes or that it drives like an old lady, and I won't care what the guy behind me thinks either. I'll be reading or writing a youtube comment or something.
Exactly.
You won’t be cause the Autopilot will force deactivate and then ban it for the entire rest of your ride lol
It would be cool if they would allow you at add a bias to the different modes. Where you could add speed +- to each mode. Can’t wait to get the refreshed model Y.
excited much, he he... my car drove perfectly on its first engagement! this is soooo good now.
90% of my interventions with 12.3 are pressing on the accelerator and adjusting some lane choices. Great progress. Very few things to iron out can't wait to see the progress now. I'm happy it doesn't have road rage, seems to be paying attention and acting correctly most of the time. I just wish we could get rid of the nag unless it's system critical. I already agreed by using it that I'm responsible for the actions of the car. I've been given a license to drive, i don't need the handholding. 😊
I'm still on 11.4.4 and I take over every time on round abouts and intersections. I don't like the hesitation and the indecisiveness. It is far better than some humans.
To the chill driver you are the guy that flies to the next red light while they pull in behind you and says "I guess he's got to get somewhere-s". lol
5 years ago I drove EXACTLY like you. However, even though I'm almost the same age as you, I've become what you call "a chill driver". Not a deliberate decision, just a gradual shift in my habits, I guess. I enjoy driving more now. Thanks for another cool show.
Tesla needs to add the Alabama John mode ….!! 💥😳🎶⚡️
I just took my first drive tonight after getting V12. It was life-changingly mind-blowing. I've had FSD/beta since nearly day one and have enjoyed the gradual improvements, but this was on another level. I felt like I was driving the car. It was so smooth. It made so much sense. Everything happened as I would expect and I was truly comfortable for the first time. As a hyper vigilant person, this is a game changer. Well done!
Got it this morning (middle of the night), you beat me as usual; can’t wait to try - fortunately I have to go to work today 🎉 yaaay 😅
Great video. Good insightful observations. Can't wait to see how FSD progresses.
Exposure is in whiteout mode. Definitely need some adjustment on the camera or post.
Always interesting listening to Dr. KIA at 2X speed. Definitely the most words per minute on YT, lol
You were clearly quite excited to try this 😀
Dude’s giddy … I get it… you have been waiting for this forever
I gave 12.3 my first short test drive yesterday. I'm a chill driver so was surprised at the fast acceleration on turns and watching you on assertive makes me think there's no difference. I set auto speed on and also noticed the slowness when there was no traffic. But I was able to boost the speed with the right wheel.
I just got mine on Sunday and the first day was a bit rough but today was phenomenal! Today is Tuesday
Awesome very happy for you . .
Is there a way to turn off switching to the speed limit changes when on autopilot and FSD?
I wish you would do something about the constant rattling/buzzing sound in your left audio channel. It's like there's a fly caught inside my left speaker. This has been a problem for many months, off and on.
Can't believe that no one else is hearing this.
At the beginning of your test drive, you mentioned engaging the speed limit offset. Was it set for a minus offset possibly?
Thanks for all your videos. Is it possible that Tesla with NN is in Robotaxi driverless training and therefor being speed conservative and not allowing overrides? Would Tesla be responsible for speeding tickets if in Robotaxi mode? I would like to override because I don't plan on using my
X for Robotaxi. Would love to hear your thoughts on this.
It's funny to hear different people saying how the v12.3 is to fast, too slow, to quick on acceleration after turns, to slow on acceleration... Tesla would have to step up efforts in customizability of the driving profile, I guess, otherwise there will be always somebody irritated by the way the car drives.
I see you are on the "faster" side of the spectrum. The roads you have there are pretty beaten so I'd probably not drive much faster than FSD with the suspension Model 3/Y has... 😋
Mr refresh S with auto speed off still goes 7 mph below posted. When I turn it off and put offsets to +15, car set to assertive, it still goes way below speed, even if I crank the scroll wheel speed 30 mph above posted. Need 12.3.1 fixes soon! Can’t use my fsd like this.
Yay! That means that I am going to get it very soon based on history.
Does it take time to calibrate? Do you have hardware 4?
My community gate looks exactly the same as the one at the beginning of your video. FSD has never stopped for these gates. Without intervention, the car would drive right into the gates. Unfortunately, V12.3 behaves exactly the same way.
Edit: Also, while v12.3 drives more smoothly than any prior version, I find it making lane mistakes in places that used to always be perfect. It will frequently move into a left-turn-only lane when navigation calls for continuing straight ahead.
Excited to hear your firsthand take on it!
It only has one set of weights so not sure what effect assertive versus chill would actually have. Maybe that only affects motorway driving via v11 stack? Trouble with nothing by nets you can't just flip a switch
I have found that if you give it some accelerator when its going below the speed limit it will stay at the speed you push it up to. It resets pretty often, but generally has the same affect as using the wheel to adjust the max speed up.
If FSD is ever going below the speed limit, then it's broken. And if it's doing it in the left lane, then it's really broken. I get a bellyful of human drivers doing that already, and it's obnoxious.
this didnt work for me at all, had issues with it on 3 seperate occasions, the scroll wheel didnt seem to effect it in anyway, and pushing on the accelerator didnt either, once i release it, it just slowed down again. tried disengaging and re engaging and it still slowed down, this was on a 55 mph 3 lane road, no neighborhoods or schools, it wanted to go 40 mph, no matter what, so i reported it, traffic was passing me like i was a grandma. there are def some issues with the auto speed offset...it did seem to work well for road construction, bad bumpy roads and neighborhood roads really well. but its decision seemed inconsistent on roads with speed limits of 45-55.
Just got back from a morning of driving 12.3. A lot went right. Great new version. Here is the bad:
It turned right on red without barely slowing down. It was the only right on red situation I encountered this morning.
I was in the right of a 2 lanes east bound. A UPS truck decided to pass me - fine, but my car started to pull into the lane to block the truck? I aborted.
Leaving the median to cross on bound traffic after the last vehicle, it almost clipped the tail end of a semi that was the last vehicle it was waiting for before crossing.
When it sees a route sign “Ahead 15” ( just a route sign with “ahead” perched on top) it sets the speed limit to 15 (in a 35 zone). Did this repeatably.
Don't say aborted, say intervened. The car is unlikely to hit another car. Get better signs.
I got 12.3 a couple days ago. I still can't get a "no intervention" drive. In the couple years I have had FSD, I have never had an intervention free trip. I keep hoping.
I know everyone is saying highway stack is still the v11 because of the auto Max … but as you use the system more can you watch out for that?
In my experience, the highway behavior is still a bit subtly different.. for example for my usual route v12 is making some of the tight exits that v11 used to consistently miss. Also the robotic position maintenance within the highway lanes seems to have gone down.
Only 3 days of very sparse driving so I’m not sure if I’m just imagining this so I’d be curious about your experience
The slightly slower speed is way more comfortable for me. I really don't want it to be faster unless there is other traffic around going faster - and I have seen it go faster than the limit when other cars do. Just sit back and enjoy... I like slow speed bumps also.
Looks like I got my 12.3 two days before you. We have been pretty synchronized in receiving the updates. Tesla seems to do it in pretty much the same order each time.
WRT the weird routing, i feel like sometimes Google maps sends you on a "similar route" with similar ETA even if it's weird because it's trying to spread out traffic amongst the entire population.
Georgia speed limit laws are wrong? Maybe that should be fixed? If everyone votes to change it, it will change.
I miss eating at The Blind Pig.
Speed limits are not set by public opinion, they are set by scientific analysis, such as it is.
@@tedmossset to collect fines $$$.
Question: Say you are not using the GPS For Guidance, and you are at an intersection, and you want the car to drive either left or right, will using your Turning light signal tell the car to make that turn, will it obey and take over? Thanks, Terry
Does the car react at all to potholes or other forms of surface damage to the road? There are plenty instances where I'd slow down just to protect the vehicle from potential damage even if the speed limit or traffic would not require me to.
Drives under the speed limit. Stops at stop signs. So it's a better driver than you.
Driving 5 mph under in a 30 mph zone is not desirable, and he wasn't criticizing it stopping at stop signs, just not being assertive enough when proceeding after the stop. For the masses to want to utilize the technology more broadly, FSD needs to transition from being your typical lady driver into driving like a man (and with the accident rates of a robot).
This was really an insufferable video. The constant complaining about not tailgating, not driving aggressively...not breaking the law. Complaining about keeping a safe distance on the highways is epic. It's scary that FSD is available to certain people. Expecting the car to choose the lane with the fewest cars to save 2 seconds? Really? After hearing the final comments it's clear that John doesn't understand what FSD is even for. The car is supposed to not drive like an a.h. actually the fastest we can get this out there and the more aggressive drivers we can get off the road the better. (Edit) ...I am going to have to go back on some of my criticisms here, 12 is too slow and needs to respect the drivers offset. It should only drive under the limit if that's what the operator chooses, so John is correct in this regard. I stand by the rest though.
@@SeanChYT Driving like a man is precisely what gets you killed. The intelligent machine will drive like it actually has some smarts. How much are you worth?
@@allieflounder5764 John is making a video from the perspective of other people, he listens to what is said. That does not mean he thinks that way himself. I know machines and I see the points about people and how they have no idea of what they are doing. Many people are just dangerous. I see your point and suffered through to learn more about what I am doing.
@@tedmoss Try reading my message again. You missed not only one of my points, but several.
I just hope this tech is 💯 when I get old and should not drive.
Love Dr Know it all enthusiasm 😄
Please announce your safety score and how it has changed ,if you know, between V11 and V12, & throughout your V12 trials. Thx!
Slowing for speed bumps, that passes the wife test! The actual driving aspect works so much better than 11.x. It seems that my Model Y now has REALLY bad routing under 12.3, taking me down weird side roads, avoiding "phantom" traffic jams and other weird route selection cases.
Perhaps the AI is too busy looking at cameras to get latest traffic data.
While in auto Max it's true you can't adjust the speed with the buttons on the steering wheel but you can step on the accelerator pedal to increase your speed.
this doesnt work, it just slows down again, had issues with it today as well and reported it.
Have you started to review the open source Grok codebase? I'm curious about the resources needed to build the release for development uses 😊
Good test. Maybe use the phone to film the road, it's a vastly better camera.
For some it goes over the speed limit. You can try using the scroll wheel a little. Apparently it has an effect despite pretending not to. If you scroll far down the car will actually stop. Bug or feature.
Chuck Cook made the observation that the different modes changed how the car respected speed limits. If the mode was chilled it mostly stuck to the speed limit. The more aggressive the mode the more it was prepared to exceed the speed limit.
I got my v12.3 last night too. Tried it this morning and unfortunately it still can't handle my traffic light. As a human one can tell who the red and green lights are for. But they are in such an angle that I can see why the computer can't. If I can get that one intersection fixed, then I'll try the next. Looking forward to that day!
Did you try it with Auto Speed off? Better?
I was most interested in something new on the display. Brief artifacts of obstructions/cars on numerous occasions that disappeared quickly. They nearly always showed up briefly after a full stop and resume. Your car did not seem to react to any of these. I wonder what is going on with the predictive algorithms to show this.
Nearly all of these obstructions seem to be pure phantoms.
But so cool to see how different 12.3.x is going to be. The release 'major, minor, minor' adoption tells us that updates will be more frequent and less in need of regression testing.
Optimum path = the golden thread in route planning.
I don't think FSD will ever be as aggressive as I have concluded you like to be when driving manually. I will probably set it to heed the speed limit rather than making its own choices. We'll see. Looking forward to it.
I face similar issues. I hold up traffic by going 35 in a 25 zone. And several places in my typical drive where 2 lanes firm where only one is marked. I would prefer, of course, to follow the markings and signs but to do so in New England is dangerous! Hard to know what to suggest what Tesla should do.
In New England they should require all cars to have a person walking in front of the car with a red flag to warn others that you are coming.😁
@@tedmossIn some places that was the rule when cars first appeared. Authorities didn't want to scare the horses!
the 'narrow lanes' section looks massive to anyone from the uk.
in the uk if you drive over speed limit cameras detect you
12.3 does great, except I have 3 roads in 3 miles of my house that don’t exist and I have to take over to get to my destination.
1 - it plans onto a private road that is closed off, and has been for a long time
2 - a good road exists and is the shortest path, it plans for another route that ends in a ditch.
3 - from the Quartzsite Supercharger going back to I10 it takes a right into a store instead of taking a left for the road to the Interstate.
I don’t know how to report these mapping errors beside voice error when you take it out of FSD. It’s a mapping error, that I’ve experienced and reported for over a year and a half.
Try this scenario ina rural (non-traffic area) without autospeed turned on:
Turn on FSD 12.3 in a 55MPH zone. Use knob on wheel to dial top speed to 60 MPH. Note that the car doesn't go near 60 most of the time... it is overriding your setting.... just like the Dr saw at slower speed.
Note keep FSD on until you get to a reduced speed zone (maybe a 45 mph zone?)..... did your car slow down to your offset top speed or is it going faster than it should?
The above scenario will result in your getting a ticket so be cautious and ready to take over and brake when you get to a reduced speed zone.
Theory:
Ego is keying off cars around it. I live in a rural area. When there are no cars around ego doesn't know how far to go and doesn't seem to reference your offset speed.
Congrats on getting the FSD12.3 update. Definitely an improved performance design architecture for physical world AI performance interaction in much more than the self driving marketplace 🎉
Some FSD observations I have been tracking over the last 4 or more beta releases.
On FSD 12.1 drives between San Diego CA and Los Angeles near Santa Monica what is displayed on the touch screen was significantly wrong enough that I needed to run Google Maps in parallel to insure I was going to reach the target destination. FSD 12 series probably needs an incentive to update the visual mapping information at a rate compatible with the human driver since I was not getting milage updates for upcoming driving decisions.
Though the car remembers the previous parked cars on my driveway when I back out of my garage there are no new display objects generated for things like trash cans that are only visible to the backup camera. Of concern is that only depending on the display visualization backup results in a false sense of security that the reverse path is clear of both objects and people when you would expect a collision warning or action like you would normally get during forward car motion.
Seems like summon still has a backup incline limit where it stops moving on my driveway but if I back my car onto the driveway where backup still works and initiate a FSD drive to my local store the car starts driving and successfully passes the summon backup limit, scared me enough to slam on the brakes so I really don't recommend testing this issue for anyone else that I found in the late FSD 11 releases but it will be important for summon and reverse summon going forward.
Hope Tesla will add rear wheel steering to all their car product lines which would be much more effective and useful than tank turning 😊
One other thing is that after an overnight charging session the car fairly often does not recognize my valid phone key to open the car driver door and requests a card key to unlock the door then requests the card key again to start driving. In both cases I can use the phone app to manually unlock the doors and enable the car to drive, probably thru wireless connectivity. Seems like the car should always check for a valid Bluetooth key even if the phone app is already wireless connected to the car.😢
upvoted!!!!
cyberlyft noticed the same irregularities with previously set speed adjustments
When is this amazing 12.x being released to HW3 vehicles like my ‘19 MS??
Regarding traffic lights timing. Should they employ ai to learn the best way for timing red lights?
In terms of being concerned about the route that the car takes, you just need to let it go. Either you let it drive or you drive yourself. It took me a few years to get used to that but now it’s just not a problem.
I'm a Lyft driver and I'm not too worried about robotaxies because of the navigation issues. the Lyft app uses navigation and I have to deviate from navigation on almost every trip. There are so many situations where the navigation just doesn't know what to do that I'm pretty sure than we will need human drivers even after they get FSD perfected.
I see the problems, you are wrong about needing humans, you will be assimilated.
Just got my tire blasted (ran over dividing curb), using the newversion, when FSD negotiated a tight left turn from an intersection😢. Had to disengage FSD forcibly, immediately after(also sent voice feedback), pulled over, less than 200mtrs after getting low pressure tire warning. Really bad damage to the side wall! Lesson learned🥺. Definitely seems to be an issue with the new version update (yesterday). There was no emergency situation, it was a plain and simple yet another left turn in broad mid noon daylight. Hope tesla could reimburse for the damage🤞 (will update, if they ownup and resolve the issue).
I want to see some stats on how much automated driving features are used and how many consumers are interested in actually buying it. At the moment there is no source for those numbers.
Regarding Auto Max Speed, I have found that if it is driving under the speed limit, I can press the accelerator to increase speed and FSD tends to maintain that new speed after I let off.
sadly this doesnt work every time, i had 3 seperate occasions with this issue and that didnt work on any of them, it just slowed back down again.
The auto speed adjustment really doesn’t matter too much if you don’t have cars around you for it to gauge off of. In my car, if there is a car coming up on me fast, my car will make the appropriate adjustments to its speed to accommodate or match the flow of traffic around it. Although not ideal, I’ve even seen my car go 10mph over the posted speed limit. V12.3 still doesn’t recognize School Zones, so if you are the lead car and are about to go through one, you’ll need to disengage or else you might get a ticket. lol.
Exposure?
Version 12.4 is less than a month away and I heard a version is being worked on as far as out as 12.8, so the increase in FSD employees Tesla is looking for makes sense
I've noticed when 12.3 is going under the speed limit I can give it a little juice and it speeds up to the limit and stays there.
I don't think it's reasonable to expect it to go above the speed limit, but it definitely needs to be going the speed limit.
Also needs to be trained to respect School zone speed limits.
If Automatic Set Speed Offset is what you're calling "Auto Max," the information for the setting says it depends on traffic flow among other things. Where you complained about its behavior, there was no traffic flow.
My version of 12.3 accelerates much faster after a turn from a stop light, I notice the chill aggressive setting don’t change behavior, I used the auto speed setting and think it work great, not chill. It starts to slow further back from stopped vehicles then pulls forward to stop. In my routes that I’ve used v11 on are very good for me. Maybe they used my video to perfect my driving routes??
John wussie is a term we used in 1978 when we were 8yo. Today it sounds REALLY weird coming from a professor of robotics and AI. Some alt suggestions- hesitant, timid, reluctant, lame, weak, weak sauce🤓
Still baffles me that people don't understand what the word 'limit' means. Wanting to go 20+% more is crazy. Legally you have no leg to stand on, keeping up with traffic isn't a defence.
I know in CA if the speed limit sign just says speed limit then you do have a defense for going faster under the basic speed law. ie you can make an argument that conditions were such that traveling over the speed limit was safe. If the sigh says maximum speed limit then yes you have no defense even f you are caught for only going 1 MPH faster than the posted maximum speed limit.
Most states have personal recognizance laws. So you don't understand the law.
It's not crazy at all. States have enough data to know how most people react to speed limits. All intentional.
If you crash while going over the speed limit , your defence of 'it was safe' is clearly not going to hold water..
Most speed limits in my area need to be increased. going at the speed limit is ridiculously slow. There’s areas where 50 is comfortable in a 35, and 35 is comfortable in a 25 mph zone. They need to update their traffic studies or something. If autonomous cars need to follow the speed limit, the limits need to change
Wow what a great honest review.It seems like most of the videos i've seen so far are just praising it up and down and They never says anything bad. My experience has been very much like yours.Very irritating with the going 5 or 6.Under the speed limit, it should do at least the speed limit.Yeah unless there was rain or snow or something but on a clear sunny day it should do the speed limit minimum. I found with turning the auto max off. It still goes under the speed limit. It doesn't seem to change the behavior so there's that. My other complaint is just how slow it approaches.Stop signs. The good is, it definitely is not timid? When another car is approaching the stop sign at the same time. And I stop just a second before him. The car go's version 11. Would have just sat there and waited for them to go. Great review
Tether!
Tether!
Tether!
Stop calling it a bloody "noodle".
You kill my nerd soul every time you say it!
CA law specifies that cars should wait until pedestrians have completed their crossing before turning. Nobody does that. but that's what the book says.
Every tesla has a personal profile. That should save you're preferences.
Tesla has the car set to chill !!!
Yay 12.3! Welcome to 2024! Finally!
If they want self driving then the state where u drive 5 to 10pm over has to change ,
Does the doctor know that TH-cam 1080p is so compressed that it basically looks like 720p? / 1 Mp resolution ;-) Did you use a potato to film this video? 😬
that looks fast enough for me...