Tesla FSD 12.3 vs JOHN'S LEFT TURN--Who Wins?!
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 21 มี.ค. 2024
- I have a nasty unprotected left turn near my house that challenges Tesla's FSD to the max. How does the new Full Self Driving Beta 12.3 stack up against it? Let's call it a "technical" win, but a pyrrhic one at best. ;)
It's not quite Chuck Cook's Left, but it's certainly not easy! To the Tesla team, I put the address for the turn in my video. I suggest you all come have a look and see how your test fleet stacks up against it!
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We just made a drive for several hours around the country roads in New England. narrow, twisting, turning and some bumpy. WOW. no disengagements! smooth, super human like. I had to do nothing. My wife even had a nap.
I think Tesla should prioritize fixing this issue. This is one of the biggest issues with FSD. The hesitancy puts the car in a very dangerous situation.
What setting were you running? If not assertive would be interested to see if that changes it.
Also, the noodle was a means to quickly see whether FSD was on or not. Now you have to go back to noting the little blue wheel.
The FSD map system needs a bug reporting feature with location and a brief description of problem. In this case 'cant make left from dollar general parking lot onto "y" street, no throughfare, fixed road barrier.'
Strange, MY on FSD 12.3 seems to be “learning” each drive. Each time I take it over the same route, it seems to do better at selecting the right point in a complicated turning bay. Showing less hesitation.
Can FSD self-learn or is it 100% pre-trained model & I’m imagining things?
What are your settings? Are you on assertive or chill?
I just learned google maps directions can be downloaded directly to TESLA FSD by your cellphone. This way specific planned routes can always be available as it will be saved.
Source says it can be done through the TESLA ap on your phone
This was a very entertaining video of a car driving in a loop!
If the car cameras have a second imaging sensor slightly offset from the original sensor which was optimized to generate object distance measurement info you could reduce the calculation time to identify moving objects of interest that affect the desired travel path. Basically stereo vision from a single lens system should work better than aligning and calibrating 2 seperately mounted cameras.
DKA, it's the first time I disagree with your perspective. I believe it's more important for FSD to be cautious at this point. If it drove the way you wanted, I would be terrified.
I am having issues with my M3 not going the speed limit even if I set Max Speed above the limit. This happens in Average and Assertive modes. I have to keep goosing the accelerator. I hope 12.3.1 addresses this.
If you have a wireless mic it might be better to wear that. I suspect we are hearing action camera cage rattling. I have a similar noise with the cage I have for my Action 4 camera.
Top man well done
I agree. The car needs to learn there's no reason to wait until both lanes are clear when you only need one. Or even better just aim for the center lane first then merge into traffic. The car also accelerates too slowly which makes passengers nervous. Go car go! lol
You're assuming that the car can tell with a high degree of confidence in which lanes the crossing traffic is. I would not be comfortable making this assumption. Remember, the cameras don't see what humans see, nor as far as humans can see.
@@mariusm62 8 Cameras see lots more than human. And its much easier for computer to see what lanes cars are coming. Multi-Tasking (AI) vs. Single-Tasking (Human). Easy as that.
I’m not so sure, I’m British so we don’t have so many unprotected turns onto multi lane roads, but if I was doing that turn, I would definitely not turn left into the left lane when there is a car approaching in the right lane, just feels way too risky. If you did that here, the person on the main road would not be happy! But I suppose it’s something you almost have to do in the US because there are so many multi-lane roads.
Imitatation AI is doing what other drivers would do under similar circumstances.
Sorry Doc, I know I was not in the car, but I thought it was a 100% PASS for all of those tries. It did all of them safely and did not brake the law. That should be the criteria to judge at this beginning stage of training. Did it complete safely and did it brake the law? It's impossible to make everyone 100% comfortable with every drive. At this point it's learning to complete safely and not break the law.
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v12.1 was very good at committing, and it was willing to go into small gaps too. But sometimes it was a too much, so Tesla dialed it back with v12.2 and again with v12.3. Now it's too timid again. I think v12.2 was perfect, it was safe, but when it decided to go, it took off without hesitation.
You may well be right. To me, it shows the challenge FSD faces is that it will be difficult to please everyone. Watching a lot of other TH-cam FSD reviews, some complain it is slow, others that it is too fast ( in the same FSD version). FSD will need to find a middle road, and then allow users to fine tune to their liking.
I disagree....I love the new noodle behavior. In the past, the car would creep with traffic and I wasn't sure if it was gonna go or not....nerve-racking. Now the noodle lets me know and I can easily judge if it's safe or I need to intervene.
Some of your concerns are that the human occupant not be scared to death, even when the move is completely safe?
I just got a 2019 model 3 to replace my totaled 2018 (17 year old driver pulled out in front of me). Got $21,500 from Insurance and bought this 2019 with FSD unolocked and ready to be calibrated for only 24,500. FSD for free from my point of view. Nicer car, new, more warranty left, 1 year warranty from Tesla and came with brand new tires! $1200 value right there, so FSD for Free. I do have a few problems and it seems to be getting better each trip though.
where did you got that deal
FSD needs to go into the near lane when open even with the far lane occupied.
Are you on chill? Mode
FSD has to obey speed limits, can you imagine the legal trouble Tesla would be in if they were found to have deliberately trained fsd to act illegally? Maybe people need to drive the limit in Georgia, or get your government to raise the limit.
It seems to be worse for me now than 11 ?
Some of these turns the traffic engineers should just eliminate. The AI has trouble with it, how safe is it for 16-year-olds and eighty year olds?
What Tesla should do is to hire a bunch of TH-camrs like Dr. Know-it-all to get the best test data possible.
Creeping into oncoming traffic is a thing in 12.3
Jumping into the suicide lane is in no way illegal. It’s one of the reasons we refer to them as suicide lanes…
In some states it is and others it isn’t. It is legal where I live in NC to make a left into the middle turn lane.
Your behavior is more nerve wracking than the drive itself Better to be safe than sorry especially with 2 way cross.traffic. but yes reaction times should get faster.
why is it illegal to wait in suicide lane. thats the only option in most busy roads.
My understanding is Tesla are only testing in LA doubt they will come out to Georgia
_My understanding is Tesla are only testing in LA_
Your understanding is incorrect. FSD 12.3 is being installed for testing in many states, among them Georgia. In fact, the author of this video is obviously in the FSD Beta test group, and he lives in Georgia.
you should have just let it go to the dead end. it would have done a u-turn there.
The car in front was not pulling way, I assume it was driven by a human?
Some people just aren't cut out for fsd videos. Way too much prework out caffeine John. So much fast talking...tweeker level.
A Robotaxi cannot accelerate super hard due to safety and comfort concerns. I think it can accelerate much harder than it does currently without a problem. But it can't and should not just SLAM the accelerator. You obviously are an aggressive and impatient driver.
Let your wife drive. I would love her opinion. A person who is more representative of a cautious population adapting to new tech.
Let's say you have a driver, and you tell him/her where you want your family driven to church.
The whole family is in the car, and you tell your driver to "take the safest route" to church.
The driver thinks about the unprotected left-hand turn that time of day with folks driving to church
and he avoids the turn - too dangerous for the family.
The new route takes 1 minute longer, but no unprotected left-hand turns must be made.
Think FSD will do the same thing?
Ha ha ha ha ha
and "FSD will be safer than any human driver"
Instead of creeping forward to the danger zone on unprotected turns, isn't the obvious solution to have left and right cameras as far forward as possible, with forward vision included, much like prey animals, such as horses and sheep have, to efficiently detect possible oncoming danger from predators?
Yes, and I am sure there will be updates in later car models. But the idea is that they are working with what they have for existing vehicles.
Musk refused to do that. And doesn’t want to pay for retrofits.
The current camera placement on the pillars is not working for unprotected lefts, or there would not be a need to creep forward for a better view.
Why is the camera on your face better than the forward facing camera?!
This technology is decades away, if ever
You must be watching a different video
You are clueless or just a troll.
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Hardware seems insufficient. A car can’t drive like a human with this current setup.
Your basis for this claim? Is *your* hardware (two eyes) insufficient? If not, why should eight eyes on a Tesla be insufficient?
@@Big_Ben_from_La_MesaOur eyes are basically connected to an AGI like software. FSD's software isn't even close to that so additional hardware is necessary to make up the difference.
Nope, you can see in this video that it is a decisionmaking problem (not enough training!). FSD can see all the traffic, but is too cautios to take the small gaps. Exactly like a first time driver would do it. Funny how people think, it takes more sensors when the problem is coming from a completly different direction. May be Lidar Fanboys ? ;-)
@@Big_Ben_from_La_Mesa My basis for the claim is that the field of view for the Tesla camera system is lesser than a human and you can see the results of this by its inching up behavior (a very unhuman inching up behavior). We can move our head, body, and hips around (giving us a greater field of view). This is not an opinion - a human driver has a greater potential field of view facing forward and to the sides than the Tesla camera system. It's a simple fact. We also have greater depth perception than the cameras do based on the placement of the cameras and the nature of each camera.
@@kafiluz4317 The inching up behavior is very inhuman and it accomplishes only one thing for the system - gaining additional field of view of the road. This tells you that without that inching it isn't seeing in a sufficient way. But you will also know this if you look at what the cameras can actually see - their field of view is more limited than a human driver, and the inching up behavior is unavoidable because of it.
I couldn’t watch the whole thing. Should just be: do the turn, small comment, cut to next turn, repeat. Minor editing. There’s just too much talking as if to fill in the moments going back to the start.
Oh the video took too much of your time did it? But you still had enough time to be chitty in the comments?? Go milk a bull, choad…
Fail.
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You are no longer comfortable with FSD. Your FSD video's are turning people away from the software. You do not trust the system. The car would run perfectly if you were not in the vehicle. One of you worst videos.
You don't really want FSD, it looks like you really want your own personal driver. FSD is never going to be human-like.
Actually it's training on human driving behavior. I gather the problem is that Tesla is choosing super safe driver data of slow drivers. So the car has learned to go too slow.... which can get you yelled at or rear ended.
If John was able to sit in the backseat and not have to pay attention to the road, he wouldn't even care about the speed and probably wouldn't notice the outaged drivers behind him. 😆
@@nickmcconnell1291 I agree, FSD is based on good driving habits and should always default to cautious parameters because predicting human behavior is not a science.
I think FSD is doing a good job. If many people are going faster in any particular driving area, the speed limit should be legally increased. If not, maybe FSD should not be used in such areas. IMO, FSD is not the problem or the answer, it's how people unpredictably behave.
@@Mrewink5 👍 Having said that, I have driven 12.3 and it totally ignores what I have set as the speed limit and does what it wants. Under Autopilot settings all the speed offsets are greyed out. It is all or nothing....FSD decides how fast to go and only bases it's behavior on the Chill, Standard, or Assertive setting. None of which go over the speed limit (the signage limit, not what I set).
This would work when all other cars also have FSD and drive at the speed limit. Unfortunately what it does now is PO the drivers that come up on my car's tail end as it meanders at 52 (or less when it sees any cones or such) in a 55 mph zone where everyone is going 60 or more. Turning on the setting to let FSD choose its own speed doesn't change the behavior. I think that setting must be in all the time under the covers given its behavior.
@@Mrewink5 A big issue for FSD here in my state of Oregon is that 55 MPH is the default speed unless otherwise posted. So we have signs that say things like "End 45 mph"..... which means the speed limit is 55. FSD has no idea about these sign yet. So it will think it is still 45 when it's 55. That was fine when I could override the speed. But now FSD wants to ignore my override and goes closer to 45 than 55 when I spin the dial up on the wheel to try and up the speed. Frustrating.
Hope they can train it on these signs in Oregon better.
How much can a camera facing each direction on the front of the front bumper cost? I guess at this point they're overly invested in training?