Honestly, if I were driving along a random Colorado mountain road, came around a corner and saw a Cybertruck pulling a Rivian, I'd think 'That must be Kyle.'
@@andrasbiro3007 If the secondary truck breaks, you can put a golf cart on its bed for traveling to the nearest civilization to get a tow truck towing your truck towing your truck. Lol.
Kyle you should take a regular gas half ton with the same load to test those trucks thermal/fuel performance aswell just as baseline to compare to. I know TFL truck has had a couple trucks overheat on their max towing tests.
It looks like f150 max tow is payload 3315 and towing is at 14,000lb. It is comparable with gas 1/2 tons with CT at 2500 payload and 11,000 towing@@jabroni6199
I don’t think anyone appreciates how STEEP these roads are! I’ve had some scary encounters and gotten stuck on these in both mud and snow. Props for taking it on with a trailer.
They shouldn't detect and render the trailer as a flickering object in the minds eye view. It should either show an attached simulated trailer or nothing at all. Cybertruck also needs Starlink built in or at least as an upgrade.
Awesome test! Two suggestions: 1) We need a ICE F-150 for reference against all these EV trucks. 2) Detect the temperature of the brakes at two locations along the route.
With only one software update I am sure things will get better. The Riven has been out for years and has had many updates. I am excited to get mine and I have driven that road many times with my diesel. I only need to tow less than 100 miles a day so should be great! Thank you for sharing!
Something you need to make sure of while descending mountain grades (especially without regenerative or engine braking) is that you not only keep your brake temperatures under control to maintain a safe speed, but also have enough brake reserve left to complete an emergency stop. I used to haul old truck and trailer combinations over the rockies. With older 18-wheelers and older pickups with heavy trailers, there is only enough braking ability to complete a single emergency stop from 60 to 70 mph...
I really admire Alyssa. She's the silent hero behind all these videos. I hope she's been taken cared of and pampered a lot. Awesome video guys! Very educational!
Excellent demonstration of “Colorado Courtesy” by pulling over on Mountain roads letting faster traffic go by …defiantly a worth while test loop …Having hauled 17K lb trailers up those roads... even a lightly loaded trailer on those roads can get very challenging very quickly …you likely had the most ideal traffic and road conditions you will see on that loop! Well Done!
If regen is perfect, it should be identical to charging curve. You should have ~70kW regen at ~70% ... 150kW at 40%. PS: Sandy found the additional high voltage plug on the battery pack, where the range extender will connect.
Considering this is really pushing the trucks to its (rated) limits, it seemed to perform decently. Seems like you need to have good trailer brakes, though.
One thing I would love to see is backing the trailer into a tight area and/or a long reverse push on a dead end road. Unfortunately,in real life, that happens Running and pushing backwards works everything differently. I really love the Rustic Ring. I think I need a tee shirt!
What brake system did you use? Sounds like you will need to upgrade the brake for heavy duty towing. Very surprised with the regen issues. They should fix it if it’s more of a software upgrade. But if you upgrade the brakes to ceramic, would it help more.
Thank you for being courteous and pulling over for people to pass. I can't tell you how many times I've been driving through our beautiful mountains and canyons of Colorado and some chuckle-head towing something going 20 mph below the speed limit passing pull outs to allow others to pass. Its infuriating. Awesome video, Kyle! Now I really want to come up north and drive the 'Rustic Ring'! But rustic is 5 hrs from me, so it's something I'll have to save for a 2-day trip. Maybe later this spring.
funny you mention that 'cause engineering explained just put out a video about the cybertruck and towing, where he talks about how the aerodynamics of the truck itself can actually make towing more efficient
At the speeds obtained in this towing test, wind drag was minimal. Wind drag in the 20 to 45 mph speeds primarily operated in in this test for all practical purposes have almost no measurable effect on efficiency. You’ve got a wind slippery cyber truck towing a low profile flatbed auto trailer which is primarily in the cyber trucks slip stream, thus for all intents and purposes is taking advantage of the draft suction behind the truck with a very wind slippery Rivian truck sitting on it. Adding air deflectors would only increase frontal area square footage and add MORE wind drag, thus consuming more horsepower to maintain the same speeds.
At 31:17, can someone please explain what this 'trailer brake gain' is about? In Germany, my trailer has brakes that activate when my car brakes, thanks to a 'coupler.' When I brake with my car, the trailer moves forward towards the coupler, and when this coupler is sufficiently compressed-because the trailer is moving forward-it starts to brake on its own until the coupler is no longer in its compressed state. This system is known as an 'overrun brake' or 'surge brake.' How does this work in the USA with 'brake gain' and similar systems? Can you control the trailer's brakes separately from the car's brakes, or am I misunderstanding something?
Most heavy duty trailers or larger campers have electrically actuated brakes here. The controller allows you to modify the amount of force the trailer brakes apply relative to the amount of force applied to the brake pedal. If the trailer brakes feel "grabby" you reduce gain, if you can't feel them at all, increase it.
Would love to see how different trims for EV trucks try this! Particularly Rivian quad motor vs dual motor (and same with cybertruck tri-motor vs dual motor).
To keep it from being a race but keep some track of time ... Round it to the nearest ten minutes.. like 3:40 start to 5:10 end ... That keeps it from being competitive but still gives some datat about when and how long
Just remember that the regen braking is very similar to fast charging from the batteries perspective. If you are braking hard like in this case you could be putting a couple hundred kWs of energy into the pack and if you SOC is too high then you are definitely going to damage the cells. Also the 4680 is still a pretty young platform and they aren’t as confident with these high performance edge cases and would definitely air on the conservative BMS tuning to ensure the long term longevity of these early cells. Really for optics and customer experience.
Thanks for this very informative video. I hoped for a better energy regen than on the rivian, but Sadly it's just as bad. Good pulling power though! Hope they can improve the truck and bring it to the EU.
I have to say the regen being limited is quite dumb. If you are going to advertise it as it being a truck with regen that should mean it can be a truck with regen. Trucks do work, trucks haul heavy loads - so it should be able to regen even with heavy loads without being compromised. Having it not be able to take advantage of the decline is a major issue
For efficiency tests, I really want to see you make sure the trailer deck angle is the same across all trucks, especially at speeds where aero really matters.
Would the weight distribution hitch transfer more load onto the front wheels making the CT sit down better on all wheels? Would that then help engage the rear motors more for a better balance between front and rear? Thanks for the ride along, that is some tough road but beautiful views, cheers.
What an incredible new test and video. One thing that also struck me was the thickness of the front seats in the Cybertruck. Around 59:00 there are side views of Kyle in the driver's seat and I was gobsmacked by the seat thickness. What a throne. I assume it must be very comfortable.
42:08 Yeah I don’t like that Tesla only uses an electronic parking brake. I guess that’s how manual cars are as well but I prefer the redundancy of also having a parking pawl in automatics/EVs, just seems safer.
Cool video. I like that the test really taxes regen on the trucks. I think another good test would be distance towing that requires 2 charges on the way to a destination and 2 charges on the return to the starting point as that is likely how many electric truck users will use their trucks. Hook to their camper, boat or utility trailer, tow 300-400 miles one way and then return after a weekend of fun or day of work. This would definitely test thermal capability of the trucks if done during hot summer months which is when most people vacation and travel.
This was such a cool test, and I really like how accurate the arrival estimation was with the CT. Not a ran of the limited regen,that's a bit strange. Great video idea Kyle,will be interesting to see other trucks do.
That flashing "trailer" on the screen was driving me nuts, hopefully they address that soon. Also, I can't believe you can use the screen to do all of those adjustments while driving. I don't even like to ever touch my phone on a holder more than to quickly stab at it to take a call or something, no way I could use a screen to adjust braking, etc, as it would not be safe.
Do a tow test with an APTERA behind the truck to see how low the Watt-hours per mile can go for towing. I want Aptera to build aerodynamic trailers for e-towing.
CT has a longer wheelbase too, right? Better for towing. Wonder how Tesla solved long duration regen braking on Semi and whether that can be applied to CT?
I tow a 3500 lb pull behind with a 2019n highlander; I don't drive that fast at all, or accelerate as quickly after turns.... (initial impression watching the upyill 25 minutes into the video)...
This is the weight I'll be towing when I upgrade to CT and a heavier airstream. When I tow my airstream, I find a charger I can drive on the other side of the median and gorilla style it without unhitching. It works most of the time. But great vid, Kyle!! You're the best.
Nah don’t fall for the nerd tag used by half wits as an insult as they don’t understand wtf your on about. Oh shut up you nerd. = I’m embarrassed not understanding …people often don’t know they need to know this shit buying a car
Hey, as someone who lives near you in Nederland I love the content ! As someone who lives in the mountains and is considering buying the AWD version, how does the truck do in this loop NOT towing? Does it have the same regenerative braking limitations? Have you found a workaround for the snow build up?
Another great video Kyle. You asked for ideas on testing. It seems like you want to push things to see if they fail (I would cal that the Macro testing). We are requesting to test the micro testing, "How do they compare in city/urban dwelling. Which one is most efficient, Which regens the best, Compare 1 pedal driving, are there heat issue for people use them for delivery all day? And any other ideas you and the crew can think of. Thanx for the insight.
Maybe you know something I don't, but I think you should strap that thing down so that the suspension can still work. So strap the wheels down or the suspension so the body can still bounce. Additionally, I don't think you want a strap against your paint because it'll wear that paint right off.OK, I will keep watching the video now.
When strapping a vehicle down you don't want the towed vehicle's suspension to do anything. That is the reason loads shift and trailers sway and bounce. Ideally you want zero suspension travel on whatever you strap to a trailer, whether it's a truck, atv, or motorcycle.
You should do this challenge with a couple of ice vehicles as well. Let's get a good comparison on range and economy in rough environments diesel and gas against EV
Also for the regen breaking semis have to slow down so the engine brake has a chance to hold.. so try the down hills slower and see if it can hold. would be epic if tesla should show like a heat map and such so you can see what fell short for the cooling,, also is the cyber beast like the plaid and lightning.. in the regard of extra cooling systems.
For real range tests, you must control for the pack temperature. Your lack of regen may be due to low cell temperature. Use pre-conditioning or a heated garage prior to the test. The heat from the motors was sunk into the pack and it still wasn't enough to warm it up.
In many superchargers you can access from the rear of the supercharger “lane” and park in parallel. I did it a lot when towing with the Model X. Also, didn’t Tesla mention they’ll have a SC extension cable coming soon-ish?
Currently I have an F350 and while I don’t usually tow 10,000lbs I would be curious to see my truck (or similar model) perform the Rustic ring! Great content and can’t wait for my CyberTruck!
Extreme is right! Thanks Kyle and Alyssa (and fiber guys on telephone poles). Hope you can repeat this test with the range extender when available. Looking forward to seeing Cybertrucks in Canada soon too.
This is a great test, looking forward to these. If you could find a close to 10,000 pound Travel Trailer that would be an awesome test of weight and the worst arrow.
Yey, chart all the critical data, pros & cons, pucker factors, etc. Thanks for putting EVs through the ring(er) so everyone (including all the automakers) get a better understanding of how these all compare. The facts are essential to help us all continue to advance the technology to enable an acceleration to transition...
Honestly, if I were driving along a random Colorado mountain road, came around a corner and saw a Cybertruck pulling a Rivian, I'd think 'That must be Kyle.'
Only he would have $200k in vehicles and drive /tow them up these roads.
23:50 "If anything breaks, we are walking back"
Kyle completly forgetting that he is towing 10,000 lbs which contains a Rivian, also called a car. lol
Haha. I didn’t think of that either.
One way to not get stuck is to tow another truck that can tow your primary truck if it breaks. Cutesy of the Department of Redundancy Department.
It's entertainment lol, 😮
@@andrasbiro3007
If the secondary truck breaks, you can put a golf cart on its bed for traveling to the nearest civilization to get a tow truck towing your truck towing your truck. Lol.
he said if the trailers goes off (aka the rivian would roll down and be totalled) and the cybertruck breaks
Kyle you should take a regular gas half ton with the same load to test those trucks thermal/fuel performance aswell just as baseline to compare to. I know TFL truck has had a couple trucks overheat on their max towing tests.
Yes, this would be a good point.
They don’t cool the massive amount of waste heat as effectively doing high load 20mpg rough road towing
Yes. Like he said
CT’s weight and payload capacity is firmly in 3/4 ton category.
It looks like f150 max tow is payload 3315 and towing is at 14,000lb. It is comparable with gas 1/2 tons with CT at 2500 payload and 11,000 towing@@jabroni6199
@@jabroni6199but slightly smaller (a few inches) than f150 so powerful/strong but smaller package
I don’t think anyone appreciates how STEEP these roads are! I’ve had some scary encounters and gotten stuck on these in both mud and snow. Props for taking it on with a trailer.
Well to be fair, he did mention it about 48 times, so I feel like I have a good understanding.
Such a good idea. This is AWESOME.
No regen is some bs. Safety hazard if the brakes are 💩
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No using blue cruise
Go away troll
I love Alyssa's comments. Kyle provides all the minute details, while Alyssa provides the common sense input.
huh?
Nice way to call her dump
They shouldn't detect and render the trailer as a flickering object in the minds eye view. It should either show an attached simulated trailer or nothing at all. Cybertruck also needs Starlink built in or at least as an upgrade.
Awesome test!
Two suggestions:
1) We need a ICE F-150 for reference against all these EV trucks.
2) Detect the temperature of the brakes at two locations along the route.
This test route is amazing and made for both hardcore evaluation and amazing footage! The music and editing on this was pretty cool too.
This is a great idea. True comparison between all the trucks.
So much time and effort go into these episodes. Thank you!
Your welcome
Love this new towing route. Need to keep this going with other vehicles
I really appreciate the attention to detail around the physics of towing. Important stuff most reviews neglect to factor in
Can't wait to see how the lightning compares.
I love the Rustic RING but wish you showed us some of the battery and motor temperatures.
Alyssa you are a hero! Thanks for all your hard work to get us this amazing footage!
You should also run this circuit with an ICE pick up for comparison.
One should never test ice vehicles against electric no comparison only similarity ice vehicles emit DEADLY carbon monoxide
Hi Kyle, I love this Rustic Ring test! This has everything in it I like to see in a towing test. I can't wait for the comparison with the Rivian!
Great test cycle. Love it.
Man, beautiful out there. You have so much space in the States.
Very nicely done! Love your channel!
Love this challenge! Can’t wait to see the spreadsheet comparison!
With only one software update I am sure things will get better. The Riven has been out for years and has had many updates. I am excited to get mine and I have driven that road many times with my diesel. I only need to tow less than 100 miles a day so should be great! Thank you for sharing!
Something you need to make sure of while descending mountain grades (especially without regenerative or engine braking) is that you not only keep your brake temperatures under control to maintain a safe speed, but also have enough brake reserve left to complete an emergency stop.
I used to haul old truck and trailer combinations over the rockies. With older 18-wheelers and older pickups with heavy trailers, there is only enough braking ability to complete a single emergency stop from 60 to 70 mph...
I really admire Alyssa.
She's the silent hero behind all these videos. I hope she's been taken cared of and pampered a lot.
Awesome video guys! Very educational!
weirdo much
not sure I love how that front is secured on the Rivian but a cool test indeed, I love it.
Thanks, Kyle! So it looks like about 140 miles range while towing under those mixed conditions.
hmm.. thats not as terrible as i was expecting
@@websitemartian Speed is really going to be the biggest factor. All freeway, and you can easily cut another 30 to 40 miles off that.
Not bad at all.
10,000 is the perfect weight for this. Cant wait to see the silverado. It would be cool to compare a v nosed enclosed trailer to the open ones.
Thanks!
Can you do this with a hummer ev? Would like to see it regen 350kw
That flickering in the screen on cybertruck from it trying to make sense od the trailer behind would drive ne nuts
Having an OBD2 with the regen and accelerator kW would be great info to have.
The huge battery in the Silverado EV may be the best for longer range towing and soon it will be able to use the V3 Tesla Supercharger network.
The Silverado EV probably would suffer from thermal issues in this test
@NextGenEvs I don't think so, but I don't know either. Time will tell. It's about time for GM to get their act together.
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Excellent demonstration of “Colorado Courtesy” by pulling over on Mountain roads letting faster traffic go by …defiantly a worth while test loop …Having hauled 17K lb trailers up those roads... even a lightly loaded trailer on those roads can get very challenging very quickly …you likely had the most ideal traffic and road conditions you will see on that loop! Well Done!
Seems like the thermals did so good. I’m glad u started the new challenge w they cybertruck
If regen is perfect, it should be identical to charging curve. You should have ~70kW regen at ~70% ... 150kW at 40%.
PS: Sandy found the additional high voltage plug on the battery pack, where the range extender will connect.
I wonder if the extended battery pack will allow for more regen? I’m thinking it will.
Considering this is really pushing the trucks to its (rated) limits, it seemed to perform decently. Seems like you need to have good trailer brakes, though.
One thing I would love to see is backing the trailer into a tight area and/or a long reverse push on a dead end road. Unfortunately,in real life, that happens Running and pushing backwards works everything differently. I really love the Rustic Ring. I think I need a tee shirt!
Great video guys, Colorado looks absolutely stunning.
What brake system did you use? Sounds like you will need to upgrade the brake for heavy duty towing. Very surprised with the regen issues. They should fix it if it’s more of a software upgrade. But if you upgrade the brakes to ceramic, would it help more.
Thank you for being courteous and pulling over for people to pass. I can't tell you how many times I've been driving through our beautiful mountains and canyons of Colorado and some chuckle-head towing something going 20 mph below the speed limit passing pull outs to allow others to pass. Its infuriating.
Awesome video, Kyle! Now I really want to come up north and drive the 'Rustic Ring'! But rustic is 5 hrs from me, so it's something I'll have to save for a 2-day trip. Maybe later this spring.
Not ideal for testing to pull over but yeah.
Cyber truck needs one of those wind deflectors that big rigs have so that air goes up and over the load instead of hitting the load and trailer hard
funny you mention that 'cause engineering explained just put out a video about the cybertruck and towing, where he talks about how the aerodynamics of the truck itself can actually make towing more efficient
The trailer needs the deflector
At the speeds obtained in this towing test, wind drag was minimal. Wind drag in the 20 to 45 mph speeds primarily operated in in this test for all practical purposes have almost no measurable effect on efficiency. You’ve got a wind slippery cyber truck towing a low profile flatbed auto trailer which is primarily in the cyber trucks slip stream, thus for all intents and purposes is taking advantage of the draft suction behind the truck with a very wind slippery Rivian truck sitting on it. Adding air deflectors would only increase frontal area square footage and add MORE wind drag, thus consuming more horsepower to maintain the same speeds.
ROFL that would kill any efficiencies gained from aerodynamics...
Great filming Alyssa
That flickering trailer in the HUD: Jiminy Christmas. It's in tow mode, just show it's there, omg
At 31:17, can someone please explain what this 'trailer brake gain' is about? In Germany, my trailer has brakes that activate when my car brakes, thanks to a 'coupler.' When I brake with my car, the trailer moves forward towards the coupler, and when this coupler is sufficiently compressed-because the trailer is moving forward-it starts to brake on its own until the coupler is no longer in its compressed state. This system is known as an 'overrun brake' or 'surge brake.' How does this work in the USA with 'brake gain' and similar systems? Can you control the trailer's brakes separately from the car's brakes, or am I misunderstanding something?
They are using slow speed as much as possible because the didn't want to wait for a ready package.
Most heavy duty trailers or larger campers have electrically actuated brakes here. The controller allows you to modify the amount of force the trailer brakes apply relative to the amount of force applied to the brake pedal. If the trailer brakes feel "grabby" you reduce gain, if you can't feel them at all, increase it.
Would love to see how different trims for EV trucks try this! Particularly Rivian quad motor vs dual motor (and same with cybertruck tri-motor vs dual motor).
The rear view display should be wider angle or more fisheye especially in trailer mode. Does it show motor and battery temps in trailer mode?
To keep it from being a race but keep some track of time ... Round it to the nearest ten minutes.. like 3:40 start to 5:10 end ... That keeps it from being competitive but still gives some datat about when and how long
Just remember that the regen braking is very similar to fast charging from the batteries perspective. If you are braking hard like in this case you could be putting a couple hundred kWs of energy into the pack and if you SOC is too high then you are definitely going to damage the cells. Also the 4680 is still a pretty young platform and they aren’t as confident with these high performance edge cases and would definitely air on the conservative BMS tuning to ensure the long term longevity of these early cells. Really for optics and customer experience.
Chucks can be used on multiple axels when parking on inclines, right ? Or even always.
a new OOS challenge!!! I couldnt be happier.
Thanks for this very informative video. I hoped for a better energy regen than on the rivian, but Sadly it's just as bad.
Good pulling power though! Hope they can improve the truck and bring it to the EU.
Can't wait to see the Rivian tow the Tesla/F-50/Hummer on the same road test, and vis-versa👍👍👍
I wonder if the optional extended battery pack option would allow for more regen. I’m thinking it will.
I have to say the regen being limited is quite dumb. If you are going to advertise it as it being a truck with regen that should mean it can be a truck with regen. Trucks do work, trucks haul heavy loads - so it should be able to regen even with heavy loads without being compromised. Having it not be able to take advantage of the decline is a major issue
For efficiency tests, I really want to see you make sure the trailer deck angle is the same across all trucks, especially at speeds where aero really matters.
Would the weight distribution hitch transfer more load onto the front wheels making the CT sit down better on all wheels? Would that then help engage the rear motors more for a better balance between front and rear? Thanks for the ride along, that is some tough road but beautiful views, cheers.
What an incredible new test and video. One thing that also struck me was the thickness of the front seats in the Cybertruck. Around 59:00 there are side views of Kyle in the driver's seat and I was gobsmacked by the seat thickness. What a throne. I assume it must be very comfortable.
42:08 Yeah I don’t like that Tesla only uses an electronic parking brake. I guess that’s how manual cars are as well but I prefer the redundancy of also having a parking pawl in automatics/EVs, just seems safer.
Cool video. I like that the test really taxes regen on the trucks. I think another good test would be distance towing that requires 2 charges on the way to a destination and 2 charges on the return to the starting point as that is likely how many electric truck users will use their trucks. Hook to their camper, boat or utility trailer, tow 300-400 miles one way and then return after a weekend of fun or day of work. This would definitely test thermal capability of the trucks if done during hot summer months which is when most people vacation and travel.
This was such a cool test, and I really like how accurate the arrival estimation was with the CT. Not a ran of the limited regen,that's a bit strange. Great video idea Kyle,will be interesting to see other trucks do.
You should do this route with an ICE F-150.
great video .. i was so worried for you a few times .. be safe.
That flashing "trailer" on the screen was driving me nuts, hopefully they address that soon. Also, I can't believe you can use the screen to do all of those adjustments while driving. I don't even like to ever touch my phone on a holder more than to quickly stab at it to take a call or something, no way I could use a screen to adjust braking, etc, as it would not be safe.
Kyle is a thousand things unsafe Aint one
Do a tow test with an APTERA behind the truck to see how low the Watt-hours per mile can go for towing. I want Aptera to build aerodynamic trailers for e-towing.
CT has a longer wheelbase too, right? Better for towing. Wonder how Tesla solved long duration regen braking on Semi and whether that can be applied to CT?
I tow a 3500 lb pull behind with a 2019n highlander; I don't drive that fast at all, or accelerate as quickly after turns.... (initial impression watching the upyill 25 minutes into the video)...
This is the weight I'll be towing when I upgrade to CT and a heavier airstream. When I tow my airstream, I find a charger I can drive on the other side of the median and gorilla style it without unhitching. It works most of the time. But great vid, Kyle!! You're the best.
Always appreciate the solid nerdy content -from a fellow nerd. :)
Nah don’t fall for the nerd tag used by half wits as an insult as they don’t understand wtf your on about. Oh shut up you nerd. = I’m embarrassed not understanding …people often don’t know they need to know this shit buying a car
Do you mean oways? 😂
Hey, as someone who lives near you in Nederland I love the content ! As someone who lives in the mountains and is considering buying the AWD version, how does the truck do in this loop NOT towing? Does it have the same regenerative braking limitations? Have you found a workaround for the snow build up?
probly just cold there
That is my favorite one of you guys's videos yet
Another great video Kyle. You asked for ideas on testing. It seems like you want to push things to see if they fail (I would cal that the Macro testing). We are requesting to test the micro testing, "How do they compare in city/urban dwelling. Which one is most efficient, Which regens the best, Compare 1 pedal driving, are there heat issue for people use them for delivery all day? And any other ideas you and the crew can think of. Thanx for the insight.
Wow Kyle….that’s the best road trip I’ve ever been on with you, definitely coming over to do that loop😀
Wait a few more weeks and you can do the Tesla Cybertruck rusty ring !
Also a minor item, but the UI with the trailer flickering consistently is annoying and potentially distracting. I hope that gets fixed in an update
Maybe you know something I don't, but I think you should strap that thing down so that the suspension can still work. So strap the wheels down or the suspension so the body can still bounce. Additionally, I don't think you want a strap against your paint because it'll wear that paint right off.OK, I will keep watching the video now.
When strapping a vehicle down you don't want the towed vehicle's suspension to do anything. That is the reason loads shift and trailers sway and bounce. Ideally you want zero suspension travel on whatever you strap to a trailer, whether it's a truck, atv, or motorcycle.
@stupidas9466 the suspension can compress and those front hooks could let go.
The regen limits (from my understanding) are caused by the inverter temperatures getting high from having to rectify all of that power.
You should do this challenge with a couple of ice vehicles as well. Let's get a good comparison on range and economy in rough environments diesel and gas against EV
Awesome test! But why was regen braking limited if the SOC was 71%?
Also for the regen breaking semis have to slow down so the engine brake has a chance to hold.. so try the down hills slower and see if it can hold. would be epic if tesla should show like a heat map and such so you can see what fell short for the cooling,, also is the cyber beast like the plaid and lightning.. in the regard of extra cooling systems.
I wish they would add all those towing features to the model y shown at 14:20
Whats the betting there's a "Denver tow mode" on the CT within a month?
This was a very good informative video and I thought the music that you had with it was quite good as well thank you
Yeah, I liked the music too.
This is the only channel that I would watch on TH-cam with this many ads.
57:50 As opposed to a Silverado 4WT that has 1300 lbs of payload?
awesome test, very much looking fwd to the other trucks on the RR! maybe you could also do the trip with an ice truck for efficiency comparison?
Kudos to Melissa...What a trooper!
Allisa is th humble unsung hero of out of specs , greatly appreciated by all
Vanessa did awesome.
Marissa is great
For real range tests, you must control for the pack temperature. Your lack of regen may be due to low cell temperature. Use pre-conditioning or a heated garage prior to the test. The heat from the motors was sunk into the pack and it still wasn't enough to warm it up.
Kyle endlessly talks about battery pre conditioning I’d imagine he did this for the test.
Great test! You should put the straps crossed at the front an rear. This minimzes sideway movement.
Awesome, I truly enjoyed this one. Looking forward to seeing Tesla updates over the next year.
+1 on another rustic ring featuring the dual motor CT. I wonder if it would have the same front rear biase problems.
In many superchargers you can access from the rear of the supercharger “lane” and park in parallel. I did it a lot when towing with the Model X.
Also, didn’t Tesla mention they’ll have a SC extension cable coming soon-ish?
Currently I have an F350 and while I don’t usually tow 10,000lbs I would be curious to see my truck (or similar model) perform the Rustic ring! Great content and can’t wait for my CyberTruck!
Why did you strap the Rivian towards the back of the trailer, to keep weight off the tongue?
You want the centre of gravity of your load to be over the trailer's axles.
Extreme is right! Thanks Kyle and Alyssa (and fiber guys on telephone poles). Hope you can repeat this test with the range extender when available. Looking forward to seeing Cybertrucks in Canada soon too.
Is that flickering graphic visible from in the car, or is it caused by the camera?
Do we know if Tow Charging is officially supported? Could just pull the Cybertruck with the Rivian to give it a charge if it runs out on the trail.
This is a great test, looking forward to these. If you could find a close to 10,000 pound Travel Trailer that would be an awesome test of weight and the worst arrow.
I really want to see the Chevrolet with big battery do the same test with the Rivian on the trailer.
Most interesting
Wonder if Regen is limiting as per the charging curve, are you able to do a short steep test of regen around 20%?
Yey, chart all the critical data, pros & cons, pucker factors, etc.
Thanks for putting EVs through the ring(er) so everyone (including all the automakers) get a better understanding of how these all compare. The facts are essential to help us all continue to advance the technology to enable an acceleration to transition...