I can get behind everything here aside from Frost Mage not being S+ tier even after the nerfs... Big miss or trying not to cause panic among the mage community?
100%, frost mage has history so a lot of arena vets will be lobbying frost to stay op downplaying their crazy state right now. Those vets speak to sites like Skill Capped. Takes a brave voice to counter such a longheld belief. See it with rogues "deserving" to be S tier too expansion-on-expansion. Venruki still harping on about ret mega buffs in a recent vid about the .5 patch notes, all whilst playing his frost mage. Mind boggles.
Demo lock is just sad. And it doesn't almost matter how high they tune the pet damage. The fact is that the pets are buggy and easy to counter. The spec has to stand and turret multiple hard casts back to back, for a good tyrant window. Any kicks or micro cc in the middle of that chain, will ruin the burst completely as the earlier summoned pets despawn before you get to tyrant them. But even if you somehow get all those casts in a row, while other specs would have just been rewarded with instant damage on the enemy, demo spawns in pets that can be CC'd with any effects. They are pets that have the same movement speed as players, no sprints or slow immunities/reductions. So they are incredibly easy to kite and cc. Even something as simple as an aoe slow will let you walk away from them. Let alone roots, knock backs, fears, etc. And the most powerful of them all, easily bugs out and can also be line of sighted, as he tries to hard cast bolts on you. Demo really needs a rework.
Every spec has its days and times it has shined. Demo was insanely good for a lot of DF, most the R1s were playing it. Aff is insanely good, and dest is really strong too. All specs of all classes can't all be equal, class balance is much better now a days than it was back in the day where there was MUCH bigger gap between good specs and bad specs.
@@GoronsCave That's don't make any sense. Any class need to be good in pvp or pve, depending only from the capability of the player in playing the class. I know it's hard, with so many classes, spec and now talents to balance...that's was and will be a big problem, but you can't punished a class or spec cause they designed the class or spec like they did.
I play BM hunter, i have a good setup, the right enchants etc... I am happy. Fun to play, you can always move if you fo something, thats why i play always BM hunter.
I played every spec in tww and it feels great so far. Let’s see what the new season hast to offer. I heard they lowered certain pvp rewards like the illusion to rival2 and a rumor that u potentially an buy every elite set of the season when you reached the required rating on one class. Can somebody confirm?
sad that Elemental is being redesigned in the next patch, specially Ascendance.. the changes seems worrying, shaman will certainly move down the tier list when this changes come
I was running archon and was doing meh, but watched Bigdams shadow guide recommending void centering around mindbender swd spam. Have been top dam in just about every bg since. Usually by a wide margin too.
Solo Shuffle games usually end around 2-3 minutes when Dampening is ~40%+. So if you have a strong 2 minute CD, you can use it twice: in the beginning to build momentum, and at the end to finish the game.
So I know everyone is claiming frost is the go to mage right now. However I disagree. Fire mage is my go to due to all the instant casts it has along with massive crits and a nice damage over time that stacks with each hit, plus the free living bombs. You can literally cast none stop with the right rotation due to the new talent tree that allows for multiple instant cast damaging spells which in turn allow for instant casting of your long casting spells. To me it looks like you guys didn't bother to actually try the fire mage, because it is absolutely broken atm. You can burst anyone down within a few seconds. Not just that, but because you have so many instant casts you don't need to worry about any CDs. I saw you casting flame strike in pvp??? That is bad unless you get an instant proc on it. You really only need 4 attack spells, two are your instant casts and the other two are your long casts for single targets. That is all you need. Your other spells are crowd control and interrupts. It can easily beat frost assuming they are both geared similarly. The living bomb I don't you guys quite understand either because its pretty cool atm. Basically while you are melting enemies with your instant casts/crits you are also applying living bomb to all the targets who also cause it to spread to anyone near them. Its similar to death knights dots, how they jump to enemies near their targets. Only difference is the living bombs explode doing instant damage, leaving a dot on the enemy, and spreading the living bomb again. You don't even need combustion anymore because hot streak is so easily used. Allowing you to instant cast over and over and over. Frost on the other hand relies on ice, frozen targets and one single instant cast. Which does not leave dots at all, just instant damage. Sure you can do good burst damage with frost, but nothing compared to fire mage.
Warlock all 3 specs are the best! (And it's totally not hunter by a mile, plz do not reroll hunter it's definitly not crazy broken like it was all of dragonflight)
I think its cool that blizzard is coming up with all these ideas for spells and all. Seems like all really cool stuff for PvE. But nightmarish for PvP. Everything now has like 10 different hidden passive abilities, random passive damage everywhere. All your spells now aoe for some reason. Everything is proc based. It just doesn't feel appropriate for PvP...The power creep is really strong with this expac. And there I was in DF thinking that announcing a trilogy of expansions is perfect time to re organize, clean up classes, and start fresh and simple instead of flooring it.
SPriest is definitely S Tier in a rated 3v3 environment. They are invincible with a healer that rotates cooldowns well. Like legitimately you get a major defensive every 15-20 seconds if you rotate well with a resto shaman
@@Frequently1 Biggest reason for not mentioning them is because I never see them really anywhere. No streamers play as them or against them, but I hear that they are underrated/sleeper op etc. Usually though it's only a few and higher rated. Goes for most casters. But the ones above, especially frost and devoker are some of the easiest and thus far stronger in multiple ways.
@@MrZeuz666 Shadow Priest I saw all over the top of the shuffle leaderboard on beta, i hit over 2.2+ on beta (2.4 was #1) and queued against them as much as any caster. I feel like frost and devoker (Flameshaper not 3 button scalecommander) are similarly skilled to shadow priest but have different strategies. Shadow priest just turret in 1 spot and are invincible with lots of instant CC. Mages and Evokers require you to push in and land casted crowd control for setups.
17:08 Heres the list, this youtuber tries to hide it at the end so you cant timestamp and have to watch the entire video. Put the full list at the end or beginning of the video.
You cant put mage a+ and hunter just a when hunters can delete mages in 0'5 second and druid as well mage was so nerfed all mage tree was nerfed ice lance nerfed block nerfed warrior and priest can dispell block and almost every class dispell altertime mage is the only class in the game who all cc breaks with damage and you cant cast anything on arena or 1v1 for bg mages are good rest every single class can do better more easy
Not excited about TWW at all. BM, DEMO Lock are both broke and receive NO attention at all by blizzard to fix the countless bugs and underperformance every person on the CLass Forums have bitched about for the past 5 months. The game is not fun. It is a persistent slap in the face to people who report bugs and they never get addressed unless they are part of the Dev favorite class of the month.
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Melee video waitroom.
Ja man
Hello friend. Shall we play cards to pass the time?
Why isn’t pally on here? 😂
This 👆
Title says RANGED DPS
@@tezextv it’s a joke cause now they are pretty much ranged
True.
It would be F in ranged dps
solo battegrlound tier list pls
I can get behind everything here aside from Frost Mage not being S+ tier even after the nerfs... Big miss or trying not to cause panic among the mage community?
Agreed
100%, frost mage has history so a lot of arena vets will be lobbying frost to stay op downplaying their crazy state right now. Those vets speak to sites like Skill Capped. Takes a brave voice to counter such a longheld belief. See it with rogues "deserving" to be S tier too expansion-on-expansion. Venruki still harping on about ret mega buffs in a recent vid about the .5 patch notes, all whilst playing his frost mage. Mind boggles.
I’m SUPER interested in BG content, y’all have anything in the pipeline?
thanks @skillcappedwowpvp for featuring my clip in your video!
Dev could globally one shot people in arena other ppls arena games while not even online and I still wouldn't play it that model looks caca.
@@vaylox09 one day we'll be cool looking! one day..
Thank you for the beans on toast representation, I feel very seen
How is frost not S tier?
Big ice lance nerf
17% nerf is not so big and still S tier IMO
@@psx6790ice lance is still OP af..
Lol ice lance is insanely broken still.... @celeste5008
Fmage and Aff are S tier for sure.
Frost mage should be in S++ tier FYI
I wonder how would the tier list be after 11.0.5 changes
You and me both 😅
That’s in like 2 months fam
spot the Mage player
Ride or die melee. I need the melee video! :)
Demo lock is just sad. And it doesn't almost matter how high they tune the pet damage. The fact is that the pets are buggy and easy to counter. The spec has to stand and turret multiple hard casts back to back, for a good tyrant window. Any kicks or micro cc in the middle of that chain, will ruin the burst completely as the earlier summoned pets despawn before you get to tyrant them.
But even if you somehow get all those casts in a row, while other specs would have just been rewarded with instant damage on the enemy, demo spawns in pets that can be CC'd with any effects. They are pets that have the same movement speed as players, no sprints or slow immunities/reductions. So they are incredibly easy to kite and cc. Even something as simple as an aoe slow will let you walk away from them. Let alone roots, knock backs, fears, etc.
And the most powerful of them all, easily bugs out and can also be line of sighted, as he tries to hard cast bolts on you.
Demo really needs a rework.
good, how it should be. DF season 1 and 2 was a nightmare with how strong demo was. A class like that should never be good in pvp
Every spec has its days and times it has shined. Demo was insanely good for a lot of DF, most the R1s were playing it. Aff is insanely good, and dest is really strong too. All specs of all classes can't all be equal, class balance is much better now a days than it was back in the day where there was MUCH bigger gap between good specs and bad specs.
@@GoronsCave That's don't make any sense. Any class need to be good in pvp or pve, depending only from the capability of the player in playing the class. I know it's hard, with so many classes, spec and now talents to balance...that's was and will be a big problem, but you can't punished a class or spec cause they designed the class or spec like they did.
Any chance you guys can make a video about easy to play DPS specs ?
Good one. I suppose if u had to put an S tier ranged that would be frost mage though
Waiting your melee tier list
I play BM hunter, i have a good setup, the right enchants etc... I am happy. Fun to play, you can always move if you fo something, thats why i play always BM hunter.
I played every spec in tww and it feels great so far. Let’s see what the new season hast to offer. I heard they lowered certain pvp rewards like the illusion to rival2 and a rumor that u potentially an buy every elite set of the season when you reached the required rating on one class. Can somebody confirm?
is the skillcapped weak aura is using spell id instead of names yet?
frost mage is S tier
sad that Elemental is being redesigned in the next patch, specially Ascendance.. the changes seems worrying, shaman will certainly move down the tier list when this changes come
I was running archon and was doing meh, but watched Bigdams shadow guide recommending void centering around mindbender swd spam. Have been top dam in just about every bg since. Usually by a wide margin too.
Whats the name of the video? Ive searched bigdams, nothing seems to pop up
Do you have the link or name of video?
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@@mercury9276 th-cam.com/video/VmupQihoeq8/w-d-xo.html
can u make a target priority in solo shuffle tier list ?
It's easy, warlock > other caster > Paladin > any other
@@RavenaciousTMI love when people focus me as Ret main. I will never die.. xd
Need BG blitz content asap
At the end of the video when referencing a 2 minute cooldown they say “Solo shuffle is a 2 minute bracket.” What does that mean?
That the games are usually so short that its a "2 minute bracket"
Like one round of cooldowns I guess
Solo Shuffle games usually end around 2-3 minutes when Dampening is ~40%+.
So if you have a strong 2 minute CD, you can use it twice: in the beginning to build momentum, and at the end to finish the game.
we need melee Tier list pls
So I know everyone is claiming frost is the go to mage right now. However I disagree. Fire mage is my go to due to all the instant casts it has along with massive crits and a nice damage over time that stacks with each hit, plus the free living bombs. You can literally cast none stop with the right rotation due to the new talent tree that allows for multiple instant cast damaging spells which in turn allow for instant casting of your long casting spells. To me it looks like you guys didn't bother to actually try the fire mage, because it is absolutely broken atm. You can burst anyone down within a few seconds. Not just that, but because you have so many instant casts you don't need to worry about any CDs. I saw you casting flame strike in pvp??? That is bad unless you get an instant proc on it. You really only need 4 attack spells, two are your instant casts and the other two are your long casts for single targets. That is all you need. Your other spells are crowd control and interrupts. It can easily beat frost assuming they are both geared similarly. The living bomb I don't you guys quite understand either because its pretty cool atm. Basically while you are melting enemies with your instant casts/crits you are also applying living bomb to all the targets who also cause it to spread to anyone near them. Its similar to death knights dots, how they jump to enemies near their targets. Only difference is the living bombs explode doing instant damage, leaving a dot on the enemy, and spreading the living bomb again. You don't even need combustion anymore because hot streak is so easily used. Allowing you to instant cast over and over and over. Frost on the other hand relies on ice, frozen targets and one single instant cast. Which does not leave dots at all, just instant damage. Sure you can do good burst damage with frost, but nothing compared to fire mage.
Thanks for these. Great content.
New rework talents: oh sh*t…
Keeper of the grove is better for balance atm. better damage for burst, better survivability.
Is this before or after 11.05. Nerfs?
this is before 11.0.5 tuning
11.0.5 is like 2 months away
frost not S🤣🤣🤣
Warlock all 3 specs are the best! (And it's totally not hunter by a mile, plz do not reroll hunter it's definitly not crazy broken like it was all of dragonflight)
Nice one
Not really I am a punching bag as a warlock.
Mage and lock not s?? Lmao skillcapped fried again
I think its cool that blizzard is coming up with all these ideas for spells and all. Seems like all really cool stuff for PvE. But nightmarish for PvP.
Everything now has like 10 different hidden passive abilities, random passive damage everywhere. All your spells now aoe for some reason. Everything is proc based. It just doesn't feel appropriate for PvP...The power creep is really strong with this expac. And there I was in DF thinking that announcing a trilogy of expansions is perfect time to re organize, clean up classes, and start fresh and simple instead of flooring it.
I think dark ranger mm gonna be busted when you get good rng and send 8 aimed shots ina row to someons face
Shadows rhythm feels weird
Huntardini is goat 🐐
It seems its just for Arenas or Shuffle ☠️
wtf is a A+ u mean s tier?
waiting melee
Ele is not that good. Frost mage not being S-tier also laughable. Affliction, Frost mage and Devoker are far above the rest.
SPriest is definitely S Tier in a rated 3v3 environment. They are invincible with a healer that rotates cooldowns well. Like legitimately you get a major defensive every 15-20 seconds if you rotate well with a resto shaman
@@Frequently1 Biggest reason for not mentioning them is because I never see them really anywhere. No streamers play as them or against them, but I hear that they are underrated/sleeper op etc. Usually though it's only a few and higher rated. Goes for most casters. But the ones above, especially frost and devoker are some of the easiest and thus far stronger in multiple ways.
@@MrZeuz666 Shadow Priest I saw all over the top of the shuffle leaderboard on beta, i hit over 2.2+ on beta (2.4 was #1) and queued against them as much as any caster.
I feel like frost and devoker (Flameshaper not 3 button scalecommander) are similarly skilled to shadow priest but have different strategies. Shadow priest just turret in 1 spot and are invincible with lots of instant CC. Mages and Evokers require you to push in and land casted crowd control for setups.
@@Frequently1 I didn't play nor watch just about any Beta.
wrong. ele is S tier and has been for weeks now
Doesn't matter when you die in 2 secs even with defensives up lmao
No S tier interesting
Chadd Port
poor boomkin
Why demo lock always sad
Demo was insanely good for a lot of DF....most the R1s played it.
Calling destru Tanky is funny to me. Sounds like u have 0 clue how to play vs Lock xD
For the sake of argument, let's say your teammates are perfect, is aug then the best spec? I think this is the only important aug question.
To now you need to be member and par only 5,99 a moth 😂😂😂 skillcapped style 😴
Dark Ranger outdated :D!
ele on same tier as mage and affli hell nah
hell yeah you mean. Ele is strong as ffff
this videos isnt working anymore since the new updates coming jajajaja :P
They come in November lol. People want to know what to play now, not in a couple of months.
Why is bm always so ass? It gets like 1 patch every 4 years. The idea of its cool don’t play one personally but dang no love lol
All they did was make RNG a main decider to who will be top meters. No class is the best. It's all luck based and very little skill requirements. Gay
Rip WoW pvp
the amount of misinformation, and repeated meta drivel in this video is disgusting.
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17:08 Heres the list, this youtuber tries to hide it at the end so you cant timestamp and have to watch the entire video. Put the full list at the end or beginning of the video.
Lol wut? 😂
no melee ranking and season 1 already started. you're falling off
What do you want them to say? Play ret play assrogue play unholy dk play fury or you want to lose the game its not worth a video
@@Zax-YT yeah exactly what they did in this video for ranged
The amount of shit on PvPers screen is criminal
Wow just doesn't look fun anymore
Aight
Go back to the dead and ez classic then.
You cant put mage a+ and hunter just a when hunters can delete mages in 0'5 second and druid as well mage was so nerfed all mage tree was nerfed ice lance nerfed block nerfed warrior and priest can dispell block and almost every class dispell altertime mage is the only class in the game who all cc breaks with damage and you cant cast anything on arena or 1v1 for bg mages are good rest every single class can do better more easy
hunters counter mage. that doesn’t mean they’re stronger than mages overall….
Already way out of date as ele is getting another rework on 20th anniversary hahaha….and it looks worse. :/
Y'all gonna do BGB content? Don't care about arena
Not excited about TWW at all. BM, DEMO Lock are both broke and receive NO attention at all by blizzard to fix the countless bugs and underperformance every person on the CLass Forums have bitched about for the past 5 months. The game is not fun. It is a persistent slap in the face to people who report bugs and they never get addressed unless they are part of the Dev favorite class of the month.
What are you doing here then? And they have been fixing bugs
Honestly I think most of thr community would agree that the game is better if bm and demo get dumpstered. Screen full of pets gameplay is cancer
your fualt for playing specs that cause people to lag
another doomer zzz
i hope ot will stay so and unholy, bm and demo wouldnt be playable in competitive pvp. pets suck