I've been using this build in the last month or so and I'm enjoying it so far. At first, I used it for clearing most of the LS content during the Return to Living World events, but now I'm also using it in casual T4 fractals, most of which didn't even need HB. I know I still have a lot to learn about this build but thanks for the guide!
My wrinkled brain might need to dust off the cobwebs off my necro....I’ll need to commandeer my rig from my son and start playing again. Thank you for inspiring me to play GW2 again!
Plaguedoctor scourge reignited my love for the game again. Very fun and efficient build to play in both open world and raids / strikes. Thanks for the awesome content and fun builds :-)
@Teapot: Bro, this is absolutely fantastic. I kept waffling back and forth between Reaper and Scourge play in PvE and your video gave me the final push to stick with Scourge. I'm now able to roam around maps helping other players with the tougher champion fights and keep them up and running. I will now brave my way into raids and other tough content thanks to actually having to think about my skill rotation. Thank you for the excellent work sir.
This one doesn't actually need much of an update, the build is the same actually! However you can go for full celestial with nightmare runes for more damage as long as there is no toughness tanking!
Such an amazing guide! I love to see the necromancer getting more love in raids and DRMs. I actually finished my condition build for scourge today and it's so much fun playing! You can help out your team a lot while still doing incredible damage.
I have been a necro main since before HoT, and now with the recent patches, there is no better time to show off my scourge knowledge. This is the build i usually run on my scourge when we need a pesudo res bot and it work great, even on my full viper gears.
I use Berserker on my Necro - this is my next build to try! Thanks for the awesome as usual content! Side note: There was someone with a pet named Teapot i was talking to in Lions Arch a few months back... he said no-one had noticed before! ;-) Said he was your brother!! Lol xD
I am hoping for more bleeds than an emo on their period. In all seriousness, an elaboration on blood magic and death magic in the way scourge is an elaboration on blood magic and curses, and reaper is an elaboration on soul reaping and death magic could be really cool, I think. I am hoping for mainhand sword, at least, weapon wise.
@@GeneralAblon what about reviving mobs ? like you can go to some areas and get a type of mob to be your minion and you can summon that mob again when they die
February 28, 2022 End of Dragons release: The 6-piece bonus of this rune no longer heals you for each stack of torment you apply. Instead, it grants regeneration for 3 seconds when you apply torment to an enemy, with a 5-second internal cooldown.
@@ScROnZjara ctrl + click on a gear piece (for example your head armor). you can also shift + click if you wanna ping multiple/ write smt in the same text
Not sure how I am only finding your guide now when I spend so much time watching them. Great video, great explanation, and you really make a person want to try this build. My necro bar the odd attempt here and there has been reaper since reapers became a thing, I've been wanting to give the sand a proper go for a while now, I think this might be my in. Regarding none group content, would you change any skills or traits being if you are alone rezzing is not going to be as important, is it? Thanks for the guide
Going back through this and just noticed the guy ressed at 12:10 is typing and tried to run to the next torch just to go down again lol. The life of a support...
*An update in early September 2022* - I've been playing a sisterly similar build to the one in this video, a celestial setup with runes of divinity, sigils of demons/transference, desert empowerment in place of herald of sorrow, some exotic gear to mix with ascended, exotic food, without utility crystal nor infusions, and a staff on the second weapon set. The build easily benches *18k* on golem, with a tad of minmaxing here and there you certainly ought break *21k* had you went with proper upgrades. TLDR; Run celestial in place of plaguedoctor, the build works perfectly fine in OW and instanced content alike~
Was looking for a good necro build that wasn't standard power reaper or condi harbinger. Lots of people only seem to want a scourge healer these days so this is a good step to something that will work in open world and instanced content. My only worry is there's a ton of skill gap to playing this build the way you intend it to be played. Picking the right times to support and DPS instead of just focusing on 1. It's also a bit scary if you go too hard into DPS as you inflict a ton of damage on yourself.
This is awesome. Im playing some weird and not optimised scourge in pve but your video makes me thrilling to try this as a healing scourge in missions like bonneskinner. I usually run blood magic in pvp so I know how those revives works. Thanx again for this good video where everything we need to know is explained. 💪🔥🔥👨🔬 time to heal carry squads
wait you just said 2:57 concentration is a bit of a waste but then 3:17 shamans(without concentration and bigger numbers on the 3 stats) is worse? what??? What does the larger attributes matter if you not using concentration? It's wasted stat, no? wouldn't it be better to have the bigger numbers from shamans? Ascend shoulder shaman -47vit 34 cond 34 heal vs Ascend plague doctor - 40 vit 40cond 22 heal and 22concentration(not using) Oh wait a second... are the attributes somehow buffing other stats like vitality and toughness?
Plaguedoc has better stat assignment ++condi +heal ++vit + conc vs shaman ++vit +condi +heal This combined with 4 stat having more total stats makes plaguedoc better.
If EoD comes with new gear attributes, which stats do you want for Scourge (since concentration stats are a waste as you say) Condition Damage (Primary) Vitality (Primary) Healing Power (Secondary) Expertise (Secondary) or Condition Damage (Primary) Vitality (Primary) Healing Power (Secondary)
I feel like I'm missing something here. Shamans looks better to me, not the other way round. Shaman ring = 296 useful stats, Plaguedoctor = 268 useful stats. That's 28 less. If we ignore vitality and just look at the condi/healing it's 170 vs 162 in shaman's favour with a far better balance (1:1) between them.
Have u tried full celestial vs. plague? How does it compare? Seems like my play style has been leaning a lot towards celestial on just about all my chars, lol.
This works for me. I'm still getting used to targetting the F# keys to targets instead of plopping them down on me. How do I "send" the shades to the targets without it self-targeting? Hopefully this makes sense
Why plaguedoctor instead of shaman? Let me rephrase that: how is Shaman a worse plague doctor when the only benefit of plague doctor over shaman is concentration which is nearly useless for necro?
@@thegorgeousgamer2658 Right but if one of the attributes is nearly useless then the fact that the net bonus is greater is meaningless and you actually have less of the attributes you need
@@AmorphisBob I guess it would come down to the math. Is the 29 point difference in 3 stat vs 4 stat gear only concentration? If yes, then I agree, especially since even @MightyTeapot says concentration is basically useless in this build. However, if any of those 29 points are Vit, HP, or CD then that's likely why/how Plague is better than Shaman.
@@thegorgeousgamer2658 on a 2-handed weapon, plaguedoctor's has 34 less vitality, 58 less healing power, and 34 more condition damage than shaman's. I'd say that's an overall loss
Actually yes, condi tempest is a great damage dealer and automatically brings boons and healing thanks to overloads, aura traits and warhorn! So plaguedoc can be pretty potent on a build like that!
Ideas on if this can work in WvW, swapping condi dmg for power dmg? A more support oriented Scourge, at least for small scale. Although I can see plaguedoctor being a superior option.
hello, thanks for the video! around 4:30 you say "if you are strapped for cash ..." as english is not my mother tongue i dont understand what you are saying which runes to use instead.
I haven’t played GW2 since that desert expansion. What would I be coming back to today? Something about this class and build sounds like my favorite class ever, even though I’ve never been drawn to casters.
Right now I'm playing a reaper. I want to try scourge, but need to make money to buy proper runes and sigils. I will def try out this build when I am properly geared.
Perhaps a stupid question but I really like the idea of this build. Since I don’t have other classes geared for fractals raids strikes and soloing champions, this seems like a great candidate for everything. Am I better of using my ascended for Plague doctor scourge or keeping that on reaper for fractals and using exotic plague doctor for the rest? If plaguedoctor can also solo well, it just seems this is the way to go since I pug all the time and thus the pick up / carry potential is that much more useful I guess :)
this is a good solo build with tormenting runes you'll be able to handle more or less anything in the open world with it! If you want a very general build for everything though I'd probably say start off with regular condi scourge or power reaper and then grab this next!
Just discovered your channel , as i re-install gw2 after many years away . Im to start a fresh . What gear do i look to use as i make my way to max level ( if i recall they name them a certain way to make it easier to choose what to loot/choose like berskerker etc)
So how does the End of Dragons change to the 6 pc bonus affect the build? Is it still viable? After watching this video, it really made me want to come back just to play this build.
Just a heads up on the Tormenting runes atm they sell for 9g or you can make them for 6-7g each depending how much of the mats you already have, the watchwork sprockets things being the most costly :)
Cele for fractals would actually be better because you won't steal aggro from bosses (cele is more damage) but in raids it'll be annoying because you don't want to tank on this build.
How do you find groups that are looking for scourge ? It seems it’s never really specifically wanted. And for most pugs your expected to be one of the roles the commander lists, support scourge is almost never on that list.
hey Mister Mighty !, im not sure if the link works correctly, or the build is incorrect, i miss the scourge talent tree, and the gear with runes on the website haha. I love your vids, and the way u explain the build !
I know this is a month old but I hope someone can answer. What setting is that to see personal aoe? Teapot, I see your scourge has a yellow aoe around it when it casts it's shroud. Is that a setting to turn on in options?
I've been using this build in the last month or so and I'm enjoying it so far. At first, I used it for clearing most of the LS content during the Return to Living World events, but now I'm also using it in casual T4 fractals, most of which didn't even need HB. I know I still have a lot to learn about this build but thanks for the guide!
My wrinkled brain might need to dust off the cobwebs off my necro....I’ll need to commandeer my rig from my son and start playing again. Thank you for inspiring me to play GW2 again!
Thank you Teapot, for always being a proponent of necro viability. Green class is best class!!
Love the voice commentations and presentation, not to mention its witty too, kept me interested till the end of the video!
Excellent!
Plaguedoctor scourge reignited my love for the game again. Very fun and efficient build to play in both open world and raids / strikes. Thanks for the awesome content and fun builds :-)
Awesome Guide, awesome content, awesome mindset, awesome asset to the community.
Gonna try this build !
Your TH-cam content is on point !
@Teapot: Bro, this is absolutely fantastic. I kept waffling back and forth between Reaper and Scourge play in PvE and your video gave me the final push to stick with Scourge. I'm now able to roam around maps helping other players with the tougher champion fights and keep them up and running.
I will now brave my way into raids and other tough content thanks to actually having to think about my skill rotation.
Thank you for the excellent work sir.
Awesome! I had made a few changes due to changes and such so Im glad I was on the right track!
As per usual EPIC editing! Good work mate!
I need a 2023 rework of this guide :D
Yeah an updated guild would be great
Still waiting🥲
With the recent EoD changes to barrier, epidemic, and torment runes are there changes for this build incoming? Plague Doctor v2.1 perhaps?
I can't speak for barrier and runes, but Epidemic is still strong. Regardless, you can just drop the skill if you feel like it isn't worth it anymore.
This one doesn't actually need much of an update, the build is the same actually! However you can go for full celestial with nightmare runes for more damage as long as there is no toughness tanking!
@@MightyTeapot so the loss of healing from the tormenting runes isn't needed that much?
@@lorddread22 runes of tormenting are a joke rn, ngl
@@MightyTeapot so full celestial is more dps than plague??
Such an amazing guide! I love to see the necromancer getting more love in raids and DRMs. I actually finished my condition build for scourge today and it's so much fun playing!
You can help out your team a lot while still doing incredible damage.
I know you have so much time in your day, but a series with funky builds for every profession (where possible) would be so cool.
Stay tuned!
Gained a few wrinkles on my smooth brain after watching this.
I have been a necro main since before HoT, and now with the recent patches, there is no better time to show off my scourge knowledge. This is the build i usually run on my scourge when we need a pesudo res bot and it work great, even on my full viper gears.
Teapot's guides are the bests.
Fantastic job on this video. Love the editing and the amount of information
I use Berserker on my Necro - this is my next build to try! Thanks for the awesome as usual content!
Side note: There was someone with a pet named Teapot i was talking to in Lions Arch a few months back... he said no-one had noticed before! ;-) Said he was your brother!! Lol xD
Can you do an updated video on this build
Role compression hype. Makes me wonder what an EoD necro would bring.
I am hoping for more bleeds than an emo on their period.
In all seriousness, an elaboration on blood magic and death magic in the way scourge is an elaboration on blood magic and curses, and reaper is an elaboration on soul reaping and death magic could be really cool, I think. I am hoping for mainhand sword, at least, weapon wise.
@@GeneralAblon what about reviving mobs ? like you can go to some areas and get a type of mob to be your minion and you can summon that mob again when they die
@@katheryn6748 if you saw the teaser, you would know EoD necro elite spec is likely a plaguedoctor with pistol.
is there a 2023/SotO version of this?
necro is the only class you can play the same build in any game mode. Luv this
heallbrand, alacren, support herald, condi firebrand?
as a necro main since 2012, i really appreciate this video as a whole and "the reputation of necromancer is at stake here" :D
@MightyTeapot How's this build doing in the current age?
@MightyTeapoy would be awsome to have an update on this
Is rune of torment still BiS ?
Since the healing got nerfed by quite alot imho
ahhh another MightyTeaPot beloved Scourge. This really motivate me to perfect my rotation scourge. Thanks u always Mighty!
ive been binge watching doctor who and you calling this build "the doctor" at 3:02 made me smirk. :)
this build is sick. Thanks for the info you velvety voiced teapot
Been doing this build for like a year now in PVE. It's so fun to tank Drakkar and still able to revive people right after.
February 28, 2022 End of Dragons release:
The 6-piece bonus of this rune no longer heals you for each stack of torment you apply. Instead, it grants regeneration for 3 seconds when you apply torment to an enemy, with a 5-second internal cooldown.
Love playing plaguedoctor, made it after seeing your first video
Other people don't really know how to react when I ping my stats xD
How to ping stats? Thank you
Ping stats?
@@ScROnZjara ctrl + click on a gear piece (for example your head armor). you can also shift + click if you wanna ping multiple/ write smt in the same text
@@Kiandough thanks
Fantastic update to your other video Teapot.
you have a massively massive love for the word massive :D
Not sure how I am only finding your guide now when I spend so much time watching them. Great video, great explanation, and you really make a person want to try this build. My necro bar the odd attempt here and there has been reaper since reapers became a thing, I've been wanting to give the sand a proper go for a while now, I think this might be my in.
Regarding none group content, would you change any skills or traits being if you are alone rezzing is not going to be as important, is it?
Thanks for the guide
Did you miss a sand shade at 2:50?
Will you be making an updated video for the original heal scourge guide too?
Yup!
Going back through this and just noticed the guy ressed at 12:10 is typing and tried to run to the next torch just to go down again lol. The life of a support...
Please update this build. It's amazing
*An update in early September 2022* - I've been playing a sisterly similar build to the one in this video, a celestial setup with runes of divinity, sigils of demons/transference, desert empowerment in place of herald of sorrow, some exotic gear to mix with ascended, exotic food, without utility crystal nor infusions, and a staff on the second weapon set.
The build easily benches *18k* on golem, with a tad of minmaxing here and there you certainly ought break *21k* had you went with proper upgrades.
TLDR; Run celestial in place of plaguedoctor, the build works perfectly fine in OW and instanced content alike~
Oh thats neat.. I have a cele set ready from when i boosted my necro... I think im gonna try this after i get the runes, thx :D
I wanted to play the Plaguedoctor myself a few weeks ago. But the whole gearset + weapons cost about 200g in the trading post :(
Was looking for a good necro build that wasn't standard power reaper or condi harbinger. Lots of people only seem to want a scourge healer these days so this is a good step to something that will work in open world and instanced content. My only worry is there's a ton of skill gap to playing this build the way you intend it to be played. Picking the right times to support and DPS instead of just focusing on 1. It's also a bit scary if you go too hard into DPS as you inflict a ton of damage on yourself.
This is awesome. Im playing some weird and not optimised scourge in pve but your video makes me thrilling to try this as a healing scourge in missions like bonneskinner. I usually run blood magic in pvp so I know how those revives works. Thanx again for this good video where everything we need to know is explained. 💪🔥🔥👨🔬 time to heal carry squads
wait you just said 2:57 concentration is a bit of a waste but then 3:17 shamans(without concentration and bigger numbers on the 3 stats) is worse? what??? What does the larger attributes matter if you not using concentration? It's wasted stat, no? wouldn't it be better to have the bigger numbers from shamans? Ascend shoulder shaman -47vit 34 cond 34 heal vs Ascend plague doctor - 40 vit 40cond 22 heal and 22concentration(not using) Oh wait a second... are the attributes somehow buffing other stats like vitality and toughness?
Plaguedoc has better stat assignment
++condi
+heal
++vit
+ conc
vs shaman
++vit
+condi
+heal
This combined with 4 stat having more total stats makes plaguedoc better.
suggestions on gear leading up to exotic gear?
rephrase: Do you have any suggestions on the type of gear as you start collecting the exotic gear you mentioned?
If EoD comes with new gear attributes, which stats do you want for Scourge (since concentration stats are a waste as you say)
Condition Damage (Primary)
Vitality (Primary)
Healing Power (Secondary)
Expertise (Secondary)
or
Condition Damage (Primary)
Vitality (Primary)
Healing Power (Secondary)
Give me the second one with expertise as a fourth!
Nice video, as usual.
Still waiting for the herald video :P
BOON REV IS NEXT
What herald build are you referring to? Has he played it on stream before?
@@ArionParadox power boon herald
Back 2 patches ago, when they improved the facets, he said he'll do a hybrid comp stream ,while being on herald ;p
this build is disgustingly good.
Finally I got your build ))) thank you a lot
i been running a very similar build with celestial gear since patch
I feel like I'm missing something here. Shamans looks better to me, not the other way round. Shaman ring = 296 useful stats, Plaguedoctor = 268 useful stats. That's 28 less. If we ignore vitality and just look at the condi/healing it's 170 vs 162 in shaman's favour with a far better balance (1:1) between them.
Shaman is Vit++, healing+ condi+, plaguedoc is Vit++ Condi++ Heal+, the distribution is better for this build because it's damage focused.
The build you play when you want to answer yes to a commander asking if you're heal or dps
Have u tried full celestial vs. plague? How does it compare? Seems like my play style has been leaning a lot towards celestial on just about all my chars, lol.
Please dont play celestial on raids
It has too much useless stats
And if your tank has only 1005 thoughnsss you ll steal the aggro lol
Does this build still work?
This works for me. I'm still getting used to targetting the F# keys to targets instead of plopping them down on me. How do I "send" the shades to the targets without it self-targeting? Hopefully this makes sense
Why plaguedoctor instead of shaman?
Let me rephrase that: how is Shaman a worse plague doctor when the only benefit of plague doctor over shaman is concentration which is nearly useless for necro?
He explains at the 3:08 mark. 4 attribute point gear has a net larger amount of attribute points than 3. Cheers!
@@thegorgeousgamer2658 Right but if one of the attributes is nearly useless then the fact that the net bonus is greater is meaningless and you actually have less of the attributes you need
@@AmorphisBob I guess it would come down to the math. Is the 29 point difference in 3 stat vs 4 stat gear only concentration? If yes, then I agree, especially since even @MightyTeapot says concentration is basically useless in this build. However, if any of those 29 points are Vit, HP, or CD then that's likely why/how Plague is better than Shaman.
@@thegorgeousgamer2658 on a 2-handed weapon, plaguedoctor's has 34 less vitality, 58 less healing power, and 34 more condition damage than shaman's. I'd say that's an overall loss
@@AmorphisBob but you're not using a 2h in this build, you're running all 1h (scepter, dagger, torch, and axe).
is there a way to make "plaguedoctor tempest"? would be awesome to do damage, heal and be a bit beefy as a tempest
Actually yes, condi tempest is a great damage dealer and automatically brings boons and healing thanks to overloads, aura traits and warhorn! So plaguedoc can be pretty potent on a build like that!
Ideas on if this can work in WvW, swapping condi dmg for power dmg? A more support oriented Scourge, at least for small scale.
Although I can see plaguedoctor being a superior option.
Can we get this updated, great stuff! xD
This build is actually the same! However you can run celestial gear with nightmare runes in fights with no toughness tank mechanic!
@@MightyTeapot How about celestial + mercy runes for better revives?
@@MightyTeapot still viable?
@@tvrdy3 Yes
Are the sigils (torment, paralyzation and demons) still the same?
Wouldn't Desert Empowerment overall be more barrier for the group than harbinger?
You can't get as much value out of it because you'll be spamming shades pretty hard for output, harbinger also has a pretty nifty healing power scale!
After this I'm thinking about starting GW2
BIG GAMING
Will this still be viable after todays patch ?
hey love the build but when i look on the auction house i can tfind any exotic trinkets with plague doctor or the gem to put into them
Eh, if youre stuck with exotics, just get shaman trinkets. Way cheaper for a bit of dps setback
what stats for rings, accessory, etc? Shamans?
hello, thanks for the video! around 4:30 you say "if you are strapped for cash ..." as english is not my mother tongue i dont understand what you are saying which runes to use instead.
wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Superior_Rune_of_the_Krait
I haven’t played GW2 since that desert expansion. What would I be coming back to today? Something about this class and build sounds like my favorite class ever, even though I’ve never been drawn to casters.
There has been a lot of content added and you can get ready for the expansion! Even more classes!
Grate build love playing it thanks for the guide
Right now I'm playing a reaper. I want to try scourge, but need to make money to buy proper runes and sigils. I will def try out this build when I am properly geared.
Works with a misc of set viper + jewels plague + all tormenting?
Is the food +100 Expertise + 70 Condition damage better than the one +100 Condition damage + 70 Expertise ? And why ? :)
Plaguedoctor 2: Electric Boogaloo
Perhaps a stupid question but I really like the idea of this build. Since I don’t have other classes geared for fractals raids strikes and soloing champions, this seems like a great candidate for everything. Am I better of using my ascended for Plague doctor scourge or keeping that on reaper for fractals and using exotic plague doctor for the rest? If plaguedoctor can also solo well, it just seems this is the way to go since I pug all the time and thus the pick up / carry potential is that much more useful I guess :)
this is a good solo build with tormenting runes you'll be able to handle more or less anything in the open world with it! If you want a very general build for everything though I'd probably say start off with regular condi scourge or power reaper and then grab this next!
So any bets on when Scourge gets hit with a nerf gatling cannon?
Looking back at this build, would switching over to Ritualist be better these days?
this is one build i've put off building for a while... gonna build it very soon ™
are torment runes still the way to go after the nerf?
Hey, i love this build!! But is there a reason why i cant run with a staff instead of warhorn?
any update for this build?
BIG ENERGY , CONTENT
Just discovered your channel , as i re-install gw2 after many years away . Im to start a fresh . What gear do i look to use as i make my way to max level ( if i recall they name them a certain way to make it easier to choose what to loot/choose like berskerker etc)
is this build sought after in cm100?
Aweosme build have alot of fun with it! but would this be relevant for EoD too? now that it's released
So how does the End of Dragons change to the 6 pc bonus affect the build? Is it still viable? After watching this video, it really made me want to come back just to play this build.
Is this loadout still able to hit +24k dps on golem?
What about rune of scanvenging?
Wouldn't recommend, condition damage is nice but we need that sweet duration!
Just a heads up on the Tormenting runes atm they sell for 9g or you can make them for 6-7g each depending how much of the mats you already have, the watchwork sprockets things being the most costly :)
Why dont use nightmare rune?
Would this be worth trying as a wvw pugmander? Just want to try something different lol
hi there what DPS meter are you using?
Time to upgrade my plaguedoctor to v2 :D
Hey teapot is this still good? Or should I go 1v9 hard carry heal scourge? xd
Question: can the doctor, or regular heal scourge get protection, fury and other boons to his sub?
No, this is a pure DPS/barrier rezbot hybrid!
How do the traits differ from group play vs solo open world play? I also don't understand how the Harbinger Shroud transfers conditions for the enemy?
Doesnt barrier scale of ur hp.? So healing power is useless on scourge?
Planning to use this for fractals with my friends and wvw, thoughts on celestial? Great guide!
Cele for fractals would actually be better because you won't steal aggro from bosses (cele is more damage) but in raids it'll be annoying because you don't want to tank on this build.
How do you find groups that are looking for scourge ? It seems it’s never really specifically wanted. And for most pugs your expected to be one of the roles the commander lists, support scourge is almost never on that list.
You shoukd probably join as dps on pug
The title feels like a call back to the Plague Doctor card in Hearthstone. Maybe it's just me
Can you link the build somewhere?
What's the add on for damge you showed us in this video?
arcdps!
hey Mister Mighty !, im not sure if the link works correctly, or the build is incorrect, i miss the scourge talent tree, and the gear with runes on the website haha. I love your vids, and the way u explain the build !
why do you show two diff skill-sets?
I know this is a month old but I hope someone can answer. What setting is that to see personal aoe? Teapot, I see your scourge has a yellow aoe around it when it casts it's shroud. Is that a setting to turn on in options?
That's just how harbinger shroud looks like. It's a trait that changes how your shroud behaves.