A Lot Of My Friends Are Leaving The Philippines And I Think I know Why
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- Recently a lot of my friends have been leaving the Philippines and practicing their options. Here's why I think that's happening. Thanks for watching.
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I've been here 14 months and love it here. My Filipina wife lived with me in the US for 7 years. We moved back here because my wife missed her family and didn't fit in there. She felt like a slave there. Work, eat and sleep. She liked the paycheck but didn't like the lifestyle. We are in the province. I love nature and it's a perfect fit for me. I like the heat, the waterfalls and the food. MY wife is a city girl. She likes the malls and the markets. She can go out the front door, catch a jeepney and do her thing. I can go out the back door grab my guitar and go sit by a waterfall. We have the best of both worlds here. We are here to stay.
My wife and I were just talking about the same thing. She's been with me in the U.S. four years. It seems most of the time it's work, eat, sleep. She's finally opening up to the advantages of retirement in the Philippines.
😂. Let’s see in five years
When I left the west to retire in south east Asia , about 5 years ago I was concerned about the language barrier.
But It took me quite a while to begin to understand the huge significance of the culture gap, that exists between people that grew up in a collectivist culture as opposed to people that grew up in an individualistic culture.
It definitely takes an open mind and accepting personality to become comfortable in that situation. At my age I’m not sure I could fully understand the culture where I am currently living, or my own culture, in the time I have left on this earth. I’ve learned more about my own culture by living in one that in many ways is opposite and perhaps opposing at times, than I could have any other way. Overall it has been a very rewarding and mind opening experience as travel always is.
Shipmate I always enjoy your vids. Coming from a retired U.S. Marine who was once stationed at the former U.S. Naval Base in Subic Bay as a Marine Guard from 1984-1989; lived in the PI from 2012 to 2016 and who visits the PI (Biliran Province near Leyte) annually. The information you provide is 99.99% spot on. Bravo Zulu!!! With that said. If a dude is lonely in the PI. He has bigger issues than being lonely. You mentioned Angeles City, Cebu and Subic Bay. Let me add another one. Davao City. Most expats shy away from Mindanao because they are concerned for their safety. At one time I promised myself I would never visit Mindanao. Long story short Calvin. Not only did I visit Mindanao, I ended up living in Davao City from 2014 to 2016. In fact, my youngest daughter was born in Davao City in 2015. --- Semper Fi my man!!!!!
Thanks for your service sir.
Semper Fi
I served Falkland war 1982 ship mate
Thank you for your service good sir
Mindanao isn't a bad place. I think and I never had a problem. I'm in Cagayan de Oro city and I feel pretty safe there. Never had a problem and people know me now. And I mix in with the locals. The locals tell me I'm not like other foreigners. That I will chat, drink and eat with them.
One thing I might add is to consider how far you’re willing to travel to a hospital for your medical condition especially if you don’t have your own ride.
A "sweet spot" includes everything you're looking for or needing.
A filipino coworker first told me about PH... i really had no idea about it. He said the females love foriegners and cost of living is low if you are earning dollars/euros. After finding some info about filipinas i found Calvins channel. Finally someone telling you some real info and boots on the groind experience. Met my filipina in Cebu and going back again this month. I will have been there twice in 1 year where as my broke coworkers are worried about the rat race in America and buying the newest tesla and newest Iphone. I want a simple life without materialisitic shit. Which will allow me to retire at 50 yrs old. I just need internet and some conviences nearby. Considering even buying a condo in Cebu. Airbnbs are doing good business in the city centers
You may not be materialistic but you can bet your girl and her family will be. Just remember you are there to improve their standard of living. It’s not your great looks and wonderful personality that they like. In return you get her youth and attention. Just remember you are there to provide. Realize that and accept it. Otherwise you will complicate your life.
Very interesting topic. 2 of my good friends actually left the Philippines last month. One went to Thailand and the other came back to the states. They’re both in their early 40s and the culture differences was just too much for them both. Sucks for me because I was moving out there with them in a few years once my daughter got older
I had a medical issue last night. I went to an Emergency Room and was in a room within 15 minutes. IV fluids and pain meds got started right away. I got a CT Scan and was given prep medication before the procedure to stop my intolerance of contrast solution. I got diagnosed and medication then sent home. Total time was 4 hours. I don’t know if I could have done that in Cebu. I want to live in the Philippines I just don’t know if I can.
You could get that kind of medical treatment in Thailand. I went to the best hospitals in Cebu City. They were not close to the best ones in Thailand.
Don’t live in Canada. You would be waiting 5 or 6 hrs for what you just mentioned. That’s in emergency!
@@JulieRamone-li3tw that seems a little extreme to me. Not a chance I’d believe that!
In the Philippines, the best time to have a medical emergency is when you’re already in the hospital. If one has a medical emergency and is far from a hospital, save the suffering and just go directly to the cemetery.
Everybody has dogs and roosters! Id go crazy in that area 😳😳😳
Same thing in Puerto Rico and many Caribbean islands
I was wondering if Calvin still hears them.
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That's in any rural area, even in the US
@@no_guarantees sway dogs are different from tamed dogs
I'm also a "Grunt" who can adjust to the simple life. I was in Cebu for 30 days (May 2023) and I had a Great time there. Anyone with basic social skills should do fine in the Philippines IMO...
I'm flying into Cebu in 10 days, first time to the Philippines, any good tips / suggestions after clearing customs and immigration to making my way onto the street??
Just curious, as you were just there in May and spent a reasonable amount of time to kinda get a lay of Cebu city and it's souroundings
@@Eamonn-cw9wm Hello: What worked best for me is that I reached out to several TH-camrs: Calvin SS and many others prior to my trip for meet-n-greets. I ended up meeting 7+ Vloggers and I was interviewed by 4 of them. Calvin SS typically has meet-n-greet events every month. For me "boots on the ground" contacts worked best!!
As someone who has been to the Phillipines twice, I can say, it's not a easy place to live, it takes some getting use to, and if your going there for a woman, which ALOT of guys are, it won't work out long term
if you hate beach , water falls , oceans, hot women have 100 women to date. first time get a cheap Airbnb for 30 days then find a cheap good apartment, if want party town then go to Las Vegas of the asia
@@hillbillyintheasia6122poverty, filth, slums, garbage, if you want to live on a beach all day and visit waterfalls then OK, but it reminds me of India and the culture differences are sometimes just too great. Simple life suits many westerners, some need more.
Personally I don’t think I could live in the Phil’s for the following reasons 1. Lack of great food choices 2. The frustration of getting things done. 3. The grinding heart breaking poverty of families and especially children. 4. Those crazy noisy roosters/dogs.
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My neighbor has two Shitzu yapping dogs and the other neighbors ALL have dogs in small cages. So the crazy lady with the yapping dogs also has 8 cats. She will start yelling at her cats and dogs every morning at 5:30 am every day. She yells at the dogs and they all start barking constantly. It’s so bad that at the end of my lease I’m leaving this area
@@tuforu4did you know dogs and cats don’t wash their asses and they lay down on your bed and transfer 💩 poop to the surface 😂
i could overcome #1 by going to the market or send girlfriend or hired cook and mostly eat at home.
but the others, yeah i hear you, when i was there i mostly ate on the Navy base, and there were a few decent places in town that were good otherwise not the best and they put sugar in every thing!
Great message, nice scenery, like walking with a friend.
Calvin, this is another 5 star video. I agree, you have to try more than one place in the ph because there are so many different experience you will have based on that. If I was old enough to retire, it would be the ph and Cebu in specific. I have used my time to explore all the countries that you have mentioned but at the end of the day, Cebu has everything that I am looking for. Yeah, I have had great experiences everywhere but no place has everything I am looking for like cebu where everywhere else may only have one or two aspects. The key is not to base your stay anywhere around an intimate relationship. I think many people make that their sole reason of going places. When you do that you as a tailor are fitting yourself for failure instead of dressing yourself for success.
Great video Calvin . The PI is a wonderful place to live.
Thank YOU again Brother Calvin
I really appreciate you and your wisdom from the boots on the Ground.
God Bless You And Your Wonderful Family rob
Robert Thomas Houston Texas Texas
Moved to the province 15 years ago and never accepted by the locals. I could clear out a whole room in 10 minutes. Eventually found a great group of expats to hang out with but most have died or moved on. Now, the closest expat bar is a 35 minute drive. Very lonely life now.
I'm in the exact same boat you are in. It's hard to find 1 out of 3 that he mentioned. If you find 1 out of 3 it sure doesn't last long.
Where in PH do you live?
Bohol
@@JulieRamone-li3tw haha, yes I have a wife that's never home. She's my greatest source of loneliness.
@@alaskanwhiskey thanks for the backup! I'd leave too except for the kids. I'd probably go back to Japan.
Calvin, it looks like you have a good life there. I can afford to live anywhere in the world I so choose. From where I'm standing you've picked well. A peaceful life.
I think that's what it boils down to brother, so choose wisely.
I love his ocean spot!
@@calroach1 only country that has 7,500 island's to see how in the world do you get bored ? you want party town go to Thailand
Great points!!!!!
Philippines isn't in the top 10 for Americans to expat in,, but I like it there and will come back there again. Its the friendly people...I hang out with the locals a lot more than expats...
Peace Brother CALVIN thanks for Another Banger 💯💯💯🙏💯
Thanks
Hello my Friend 😊 I really love your honesty. Thank you so much for this video, as it really enlightens me on what to accept when I finally make my decision to move to the philippines.
Really helpful ❤️🙏🏾👍🏾🏆
The Philippines was oversold during covid, and like you said it isnt for everyone. Thailand is okay but the visa process is a big hassle and i find thai woman to be just after money,
Remember if you have the 3 things you can live anywhere. You certainly need them here.
Not to mention a shit load of lady boys in Thailand .
I had a nice group of friends in San Carlos 5 yrs ago and three of the closest have died in that time period. Now I’m going back in a couple of months and very concerned about being lonely.
My only frustration here is getting things done, but I have less than one important thing to get done every few months. My current frustration is getting a drivers license. Loving it here in Cebu City. My landlord let’s me stay free of charge at his farmhouse in a Bohol province.
Good insight Calvin. You’re the only one that goes all in on topics. Keep it up man!!
I appreciate that!
Good comments Calvin. Food for thought 💭.
Great advice Calvin!
Great points ! Like you Calvin I knew after a couple of weeks in the Philippines 🇵🇭 it was my future home ! I found my sweet spot !!!
Mr. Sunshine shoulders great videos always
Looks like the perfect place to slow down relaxes and live.
Good common sense thoughts. Thank you.
I met my last love during my year in Cavite, PH and we decided to take a month vaca to Thailand. I did research before going but wanted to check it out. What we realized was that it was very nice people was clean, modern and had great food choices. The 5G internet is a god send and the accomodations are better value in Thailand. Luckily we had friends in a similar situation travelling with us which made our journey easier. After 5 months we are settled into “retirement” here in Thailand. We will visit the PH but call Jomtien home 😊
It was a Filipino man at my job that told me about the Philippines 🇵🇭 and that's how I found you Calvin, that man told me I should retire to his country the Philippines because I would be a good fit there, he goes on to tell me that it takes a certain kind of person to be able to live in the Philippines and not just anyone can live there, so after watching this video that came to mine, I definitely agree with you on everything you said on this video, the thing that I believe is the most important is the part about being a simple person in the Philippines, yes we are all different people who travel to the Philippines however I believe and I can see that those who stay in the Philippines are actually more similar than different, and are all those certain kinds of people who are a good fit there. There is no middle ground there, either you love it or you don't, so don't worry more men like me will always find our way to the Philippines who are men similar to you who are good fits for the Philippines, because you definitely need friends you can talk to while you are there, in the end I find that my culture and the Filipino culture are very similar and I believe that helps a lot also
Yes, there are many cultures similar to the Philippines but they're all unique. As for the American cultural changes taking place, I can no longer identify with my own.
@iluvlechon8810 I found that my culture was damn there identity to thiers, just saying, no culture is identical but my culture and the culture in Southern davao is very similar
@iluvlechon8810 I totally agree with you on the American culture, it's been the same for me since I was born, only difference is its gotten worse
That was good information. I got a lot of of it. The mindset is going to be the key to success. The three elements you pointed out are very true.
I'd stay here in the US if I had them.
I started to plan my journey and retirement to the PI a few months back.
Early 2025, I'm there.
Thanks for the video.
Good Vid Calvin
Wisedom from Sunshine Shoulders . I called it the 5 year rule . The honeymoon the first couple of years , with travelling and other adventures . The everyday living and the little different aggravation can start gnawling on a person mind . Knowing that you can not change the culture or may take decades to change . Taking care of your health and keep a good watch on your spending . The CYA is important anywhere in the world . Thanks S.S.
Gm Calvin and to your family
time waits for no man; use the time wisely, and seek the genuine friendships; because they won't last forever
Yea I can relate! I've been here since 2018, I loved the PI and said I'm going to stay for ever. But I fine myself bored now, no friends left. And you just cant replace them. Plus the long drag out rules for covid, omg!! They just now cancel the face mask rule. Not much fun here with covid laws.
The masks have been officially proven to be completely ineffective. I knew that back in 2020, however, pointing that out then would always end up in a heated argument. They think they're saving you with all those covid restrictions, but they were killing us emotionally.
Second pandemic is coming soon, good luck with Philippine 😂
great video
I miss the playing chess at the clubs and bookstores! I also miss the group meetings chatting and learning about black history!
Is there a chess club in your area? As for black history as an interest there might be more people in your area interested in meeting up exchanging in discussion and with technology you can invite speakers on zoom. Perhaps start face book groups on these matters specific to your area. I think you can close the gap here on that and have a good time seeking out or creating such clubs.
As always great topic and important content considering life as an expat. The first few years is like a honeymoon, you have just retired and living in a new country, everything is fresh and exciting. After a few years you settle in to life and make the adjustments you feel are needed for the long haul. Key thing is to always improve your position here, have a few ways to do everything because one will not always work. Find ways to work around the brownouts, internet issues and other things that impact life here. For me the main thing is having a good partner, a home that is ours, a few close friends and a long term visa sorted. Keep things simple and be patient as life moves different here. I'm grateful to call the Philippines home.
I don't miss them damn dogs, i don't miss the damn roosters, the noise, the 12-hour brown outs, he awful internet, the ass backwardness of just about how everything is done. After 7 years left in 2021 been in THAILAND AND VIETNAM SINCE AND IT HAS BEEN PURE BLISS!!!! Started in Siquijor in 2015 went to Sibulan and last 4 years in Dumaguete/Valencia. The last 2 years (Valencia) was better than the first but STILL WOULD CHOOSE THAILAND AND VIETANAM over Philippines....AND YET........Met someone in Davao two months ago and headed there this Thursday after MUCH HESITATION but many say DAVAO is better than the places I named above. I can do CEBU AND BGC too IF I JUST HAD TOO.
SO, IF DAVAO does not work (and all I really need is good reliable internet and SOME peace and quiet and NO DAMN ROOSTERS) then I already told my sweetie who is in college in Davao, I'M OUT; you may have to transfer because after two years of BLISS IN THAILAND AND VIETNAM (not one internet problem in two years!) Im not ready to give that up. Hope DAVAO IS MODERN AND WORKS FOR ME LIKE BANGKOK AND SAIGON DOES. There's my RANT but a GREAT VIDEO btw.
Be safe, stay awesome, make it yours
truth to what you say, Calvin... but the 4th reason people leave is the NOISE.
Ben Franklin said, "Unless she has love in her heart, she will be a dull companoin."
Yep I'm one of them I been here for 6months and I'm tapping out can't do it anymore.its just not for me
Wish I could be lonely for a day. My Filipina wife has ten brothers and sisters.
What’s good brother Calvin.
Hello brother I hope all is well with you and your family.
I’m in the Bahamas right now been here a month and it reminds me of the Philippines with the running out of w gg at your use to and water. Yes even bottled water . Had to go to three stores to find it.
hello from indiana you are right about all find that sweet spot i was in the province for 4 weeks and about starved to death i can only eat so many bananas and lof bread i was about 2 hours from a gmall supermarket
I think that your reason is valid, but i would put it 3rd, maybe 4th. 1st reason would be just bad infrastructure, which includes roads, trains, internet, and electricity. Second to me is the bureaucracy and corruption. It takes hours and sometimes day to do what normally would be minutes in an advanced country. An example would be getting a checking account, so many hurdles for a foreigner and Filipino to open an account. Why live here when you can go to Thailand, get a better apartment in a better area, and better food.
even though they are different , women are the same everywhere
Hey Clarence. Good to see you. Most guys that I know, that leave, are tiered of the province life and the bájala na of the province and poverty.
My name is Calvin
Sorry man. I used talk to text. My bad.
When u go to these foreign countries with 1 option in mind it will play out real fast
Hey Calvin, I don't know anything about San Carlos City. I am curious have you been able to find other expats in San Carlos City in addition to the late John Wales? San Carlos City appears to be a quieter, slower pace, a much different vibe than a similar sized city like Dumaguete.
I'm a simple man and that is what makes it easier for me to live here. I found my happiness in the middle of the rice fields at my fiance's house. I will eventually buy us some farm land and slowly build my dream house. Be back by Christmas for the duration of my life.
We are going to build a home in Batangas. Probably late 2023, 2024.
If you are willing to live in the Phillipines, you might want to consider sub-Saharan Africa too. Better value, more freedom and similar quality. You won't be shaken down for not wearing a mask in sweltering hot weather either.
It is so different to live there and to visit. In my country in the west I met filipino immigrants who said they would limit their visits to Philippines to 3 weeks and several filipino women said they would never move back there. But, surely, for some, they miss the Philippines and the positives outweigh the negatives for them👍
Calvin, can you please do a video about the Top 10 unsafe places and Top Safest places to live in the Philippines. That would be of great help.
That's very true
Simple guys, patient guys. will make it. So true.
I need some open space..like where you're walking...here in Thailand very little open space..
Thanks
Please my pleasure geezer enjoy
Thank you so much for your support!
I’ve only visited twice but I feel comfortable there. I feel I could live there. My lady is there so somewhat of a foundation is already laid. I think eventually that’s where I will end up.
Where are you, Calvin. That place reminds me of the Caribbean. 👍🏾
I'm very happy in dasma cavite I've been here for a while
Not every place is for everybody. There are over 100 countries with thousands of towns to select from. Make the rounds and settle in where you fit in best.
Wassup Calvin, great topic and excellent info from Boots on the Ground... Have you had a chance to visit Davao, or have you heard anything about Davao that might concern you? Enjoy and stay safe Bro.
Great video 💯👍 cal
"All expats aren't the same....you gotta find your fit...and a lot of guys didn't find their fit". You hit it on the spot. Each person has different likes/dislikes, tastes, lifestyles, comfort level, etc. You're one lucky person to have found the perfect woman, and you're comfortable with your lifestyle and understand the culture perfectly. So one cannot generalize that all expats look for the same thing, or will be comfortable with the people and culture and its imperfections. I think people got jaded with how you present the country and how beautiful it is. And in a lot of sense it is, but you can't really know until you live there. That's the only way to know.
Calvin, WOW! The simple life, good trusting friends and relassingships. Accepting the change in culture and not bringing the east's attitude with you. Excellent, my brother. Peace.
All the 3 bad things you mentioned, are created by people themselves. If you have bad relationship, you can find another Filipina on same day, and if you leaving because of bad friends then you choosed wrong friends. And if you have no social life, then do walking meditation and include all locals and your friends and relatives in your meditation. I have travelled during my career and my retirement and Philippines is on my top list because beautiful women, English speaking, and great people and beautiful islands. My only challenge is the Filipino food too blend so we cook at home which is much healthier. Come to Cebu to find the most beautiful city and lots of young beautiful women.
Exactly... One option of several options.. Especially for men of options... And... Most importantly the only constant in life is CHANGE! BIGGUP 🍻💯👍
I am here now, actually I was in Sipaway last week for the Fiesta. My problem mainly is the lack of food choices. Too much sugary foods, not enough English spoken people around. I will try to get my woman her own place and leave after. In one word, too much frustration.
The idea of giving 3 different places a try in the Philippines before leaving is a good one. At the very least one can try 2 places. Also would there be a 4th reason for people leaving? Some parts of the Philippines are a little bit underdeveloped. For example, if someone were to have a health problem, the Philippines wouldn't be the 1st choice for treatment. Also would learning the native language help? Could lack of knowledge of local culture and language be a factor?
Can you interview them I would love to hear there side of the story
Yeah right. Everyone is so damn private over here. I actually had one of the guys on my panel he has a TH-cam channel now called Cooper's Thai Adventures.
I’m much happier since I quit drinking, not that I was in the gutter, but not at my best. I suspect alcohol plays a major role in guys getting into trouble and being unhappy.
I just need to know where a good hardware store like a home depot and im good. I prefer to do things myself and thats a challenge to find.
Most expats I know like to live in a quit area. Now this is hard to find. Living and visiting Philippines is completely different. For those who visit it's nothing compared to living in the philippines. You deal with completely different minded filipino. The loud karaoke, loud music at odd times of the day, the gossip etc. If you don't have patience philippines is not for you. I chose to live away from the noise. You really have to look to find your sweet spot.
Did you listen to the video? If you possess the 3 things I discussed, you can live anywhere. It's paradise for me.
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I was in Manila and Cebu in January and was shocked at how much the nice condo's cost per month. It was a turn off for me. Thailand was much cheaper.
I'll take your advice then and try two more places here then. I'll give Manila till the end of the month to pan out then move on. No more leases here for me though, someone said this 2 month deposit thing is bullshit and they are definitely right.
Try Cebu-City next, or Dumaguete.
Davao would be a good next try. Been here a month and it's really grown on me. Friendly, helpful folks everywhere. No trouble at all. Traffic not great, but much better I hear than those other two big cities.
Cambodia is the hot spot. Chill AF.
Good information Cal, since the Philippines seem to move at a steadier pace than countries like the U.S it should take some time for a foreign to find a place to fit in there.
Gotta love the land first. The other, i.e., social life and girlfriend, will come later. My goal is two months in each place before making a permanent choice of Panama, the Philippines, or Thailand.
A lot of times brother calvin is the infrastructure and the environment plus the Philippines is more like trying to be western countries plus a new generation like a better quality of life sidewalks and more importantly hospital transportation just my thought plus the all women or not the point all the time
The game is GLOBAL & we Men of Means always go where we're TREATED BEST 😎
Cal, this raises a very interesting question. Under what circumstances would YOU leave the PI, even if to go to another country?
I believe he'd leave Philippines for Thailand. If I'd to guess.
@@hi-tych He did not ask to where.....he asked.."Under what CIRCUMSTANCES" would he leave PI....
@@hi-tychhe seems to not like it anymore
It's interesting that where ever you go...there you are. If you're not happy where you are there is a good chance you'll bring the negatives with you. I really need to learn the language. Without it you'll never really understand the Philippines.
There you go Calvin. This is your best style of video that I myself get the most joy watching. The walking and talking you're much more relaxed and less bothered. The sit-down type aren't as enjoyable to watch in my opinion. Thanks for this video I needed to hear this.
hello Mr Sunshine
Hello
Calvin...you are 100% right...dont let it go to yer head lol...but u right this time 100%
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leaving the Phils for Thailand is for people who do not swim the reefs. who just lounge around in their condo. sure the food is better, all the other stuff is good too. but, you will not enjoy snorkel diving, island hopping, and English-speaking people. also, one favorite thing to do is putt around the islands with my girlfriend on my scooter...
Great point that many never mention.
I had no relationship in the USA, no friends, and no social life. At least here in the Philippines I have a relationship, but that by itself is not enough. However, I still have my home back in the USA, which I can go back to when needed. The problem about finding a new place is a lot of Filipino's won't move away from their family.
Your lucky to be thete sir soon I will
Nowadays the Philippines are expensive except the local food in the Public Market and house rental in the Provinces. The good thin in the Philippines is the "FRIENDLY VISA" that it!!!!!!!
Not Dumaguete to many expat there. That want to get into your business and then talk bullshit about you. Here on TH-cam
That's a very, very small percentage.
@@calroach1 will all of them I see that all they talk about is others expats. And what they found out about there pass. And who they are married to how young they. But I will take your word about it then
Trust me, Dumaguete has a great expat community. I've met a bunch of them, more than I can count.
Approximately 500,000 U S citizens have left the philippines.. In the past four years or so.. Yes, I got my numbers from the US embassy in Manila. The number one reason why I would leave is medical.. If I could afford it.. I would take my whole Filipino family and get out of the Philippines and move back to the USA.
Alright
Calvin do u find the roosters unbearable ? instant alarm clock at dawn ? Noise is a problem for me. Neighbour music 24/7, roosters and lack of mental stimulation.
I have no problems with the roosters, they're not that bad.