Electric Trucks Tow 500mi Over The Rocky Mountains! Cybertruck vs Lightning vs Silverado EV vs R1T
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- Trucks are meant to work. Time to put these EV pickups through their paces over the entire Rocky Mountain range, twice! From Denver to Grand Junction & back, find out which of these trucks makes for the best towing experience.
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Silverado EV in the next race to Vegas ?
Appears the Silverado would be the way to go for people actually using EV as a truck (presumably for average daily commutes, with home charging).
One thing that would improve the video is if you could add a text overlay stating which truck is being videoed and discussed at that moment.
@@jarrodf_ Until you factor in the inefficiency driving the cost to be the same as gas. GMs bad track record with batteries and only 100,000 mile warranty on them not 150,000. GM made a big pack, only selling 300 to fleet operators at a loss to get attention to pretend to be ahead of the competition.
@@MotoGPatrick Not aware cost is the same as gas. Tesla's battery warranty is also 100k. Silverado EV is available to retail customers in a few months; dealers already taking orders.
Kyle at 7:08 "Let's just go for it, let's not make this a super long video."
Also Kyle: Publishes 2.5 hour video 😆
Love it!
My thoughts exactly lol
I guess for Kyle super long means more than 3 hours.
Actual footage was over 5 hours, I had to cut out over half. 😁
Time is relative....
Though one would have to say, if you are trying to get a truck for mostly towing, then a long video like this is research gold.
Im here to save everyone 2:30 hours. Silverado won by a LOT. 500 mile trip, only needed 1 stop to charge. So essentially, 250 miles of range per full charge towing.
I always look for posts like this in Kyle's videos to save watching it. That guy sure loves the sound of his own voice.
Also has a 200 kWh battery... Nearly twice the size of competition, lol
@@jessestone117The point is that it won this test. By a lot.
@@jysmtl yeah it's just such an unimpressive and unsustainable way to win the range competition. Crazy expensive
Booo.. Thanks.. Still watching on 1.75..
I have ten lightnings as part of my work fleet and they have been flawless. A couple of them are approaching 60k miles. Towing or hauling every day.
Out of curiosity, what is the average payload, daily miles, and average towed weight? Or general use case?
@@fastindy thats hard to state but towing is on average about 5500lbs
The Chevrolet SilvErado is an absolute game-changing beast. Very Impressed!
Until the battery fails because they push the charge rate too much. Win early, lose in the long run.
@@MH-TeslaThe battery can take such a high charge because of its size. It's really only two batteries charging at about 175 kWh each. It's not strained at all.
@@bahamatodd I own a lawn care company. I really prefer an 8' bed, but can work with a 6' bed if needed. Never does a crew go even close to 100 miles in a day. My primary issues with trucks: 1) they don't make me money. They are a necessity to get the crew to jobs. 2) the crews damage (dent) trucks. They also rust quickly. 3) the cost per mile for a truck that has an acceptable body/looks okay, that's what I need. If I get any of these trucks for my company, the Cybertruck is the only one close. Once the price gets where it will after ramp and used trucks are being sold, the only truck for a contractor is the Cybertruck. That's the real work truck.
The charge rate is not to high. 4WT is duel 400 VDC packs in parallel, when charged by EA 350 KW (around 1000 VDC) the two halves switch to series turning it into a single 800 VDC pack. Haven't watch the full video yet, but the Cyber truck is reported to do the same thing going to keep watching to see if that driver gets the same charging speeds when connected to 350 KW / 1000 VDC charger.
@@MH-Tesla the Silverado charging at 350kw is roughly equivalent to a model Y charging at 120kW
All these EV truck tests and races makes this the greatest EV truck series to ever be done and recorded to this point in history.
And EV trucks should all have their port on the right front to accommodate pull in charging while towing on V3's and other chargers. Even Tesla fails by not placing their own Cybertruck's port there. We know that pull through stalls will take quite a few years to propagate all throughout the country. And of course, all should be 800v with backwards compatibility with 400v chargers. Either by splitting the pack in two, or a proper on-board DC charger that provides at least 200kw charging on them.
What everyone is missing is the port location is really dependent on charging equipment location in the truck and the shortest cable run into the battery.
It becomes a packaging and efficiency issue with longer runs needing thicker wires.
How about 2 charging ports - right front, and rear left. Full compatibility with nose first or tail first charging.
@@chrismuir8403That's pretty expensive to do ... each one needs independent means of electrical isolation. You cannot have the live pins on the same circuit - you cannot have the pins in the unused port live when the other one is being used.
@@Nebula1701It's true, but all of these are all-wheel-drive, and they all have "electrical stuff" with high powered electrical circuits at both the front and rear of the vehicle. Both Ford and Rivian got it right ... and GM has it in the right spot on their other EVs.
I had an intuitive suspicion that a front-mounted charge port would be better for on-the-road charging while towing before watching this video, now I'm absolutely convinced of it. Seems like that's the only main knock against the Silverado.
2:01:15 "Kyle is already out in Pennsylvania I guess".
We've got a funny German on our hands! Haha
33:24 “Imagine if we stopped our test here and called it the Ike… glove or something like that” 😂 😂 ❤
I love you guys, but if you're going to do a 2 1/2 hour-long video, could you at least PLEASE use chapters?
I don't think Kyle/Alyssa use an editor. They seem to be doing all the editing themselves, so that would explain it.
If your looking at things to improve for the viewer, it would be nice to have a little sign when we switch to know which truck is which. I'm there trying work out which truck we're in from the middle of the steering wheel when it's in shot or the screens. Or from Andreas' accent.
I just did a 500 mile towing trip in my R1T at 60mph. 1.4 mi/kWh, 5500# load with small area, 3 charging stops. 500 miles towing on 1 stop is insane for the silverado.
It isn't just a bigger battery in the silverado, it's also fast charging!!
A higher capacity battery is usually complimentary with faster charging. Silverado was definitely impressive in this EV towing competition!
Thanks!
Silverado also has coolant directly fed into the charge inlet to keep it cool while charging.
@@orlandosaenz1553 👌
Kyle's just a force of nature.
Silverado is the real "Beast." What a performance!!
For sure becauses it has massive battery
Funny watching our car go on a road trip without us!
We tried to keep the miles down on it.
Whenever Kyle sees a car.. "Wow! Look at that! Amazing old car! I am a huge fan of that car! Amazing! So cool! Wow!" ... and ten minutes later the same conversation.. different car... 🤣 We love it! Keep it up Kyle!
His dad does that too
Can we please get summary information at the end of these? Preferably time-stamped? Interested in the info but am simply unwilling to watch 2.5 hours of minutia to get it.
I agree, this is terrible videography. I even watched the summary video and I still don't have any numbers - average speed, range, charging time, etc. All I got out of this is the Silverado has a big battery. I knew that before I watched the video.
It's not JUST big battery though, it's also the solid 800v charging curve. Trucks NEED 800v and big boy curves.
What do you you think you gain from over 250 kw speed? A few minutes from 0-30%, everything over that is below 250 anyway. Holding 250 kw longer/deeper will increase speed more. 800v is better for cost but cells still limit charge curve.
Uh 350kW is 40% more speed over 250kW putting a lot more area under the curve for that part off the charge? The 4WT doesn't taper until like 35%, that's a whole MY LR battery before it even starts to slow. It doesn't go below 250kW until after 60%. Big boy curve. 250kW@400V=625A, which makes some pretty serious heat loss in just the wiring. It just doesn't make a lot of sense for trucks when you need to put in real energy.
@@tazeat true, the Silverado is on another level with that huge pack. Didn't realize how long it held 350. 250 is fine for the others but that monster pack has a LOT of curve over 250. Should have watched till that part before commenting 😬.
Yep. Check out the 2025 Taycan curve. It stays over 300kw past 62% and then above 200kw till 76%. It can do that because 800v keeps everything around the pack so much cooler and it's so much easier to cool the cells. Most people can't understand that no matter how much you explain it to them.
For example, the Taycan never went past 130F while the 250kw speed of new Model X (400v) with it's tremendous curve all the way to 31% reached 140F by that time. And the new Model X and S are charging monsters. But 800v simply takes it to another level.
That's the future of all EVs, but especially for trucks. No trucks going forward can afford to be 400v.
No it is just a big battery as that automatically gives you the other stuff, the problem is it's a dumb business decision to to put 3 cars worth of batteries into a one truck ,but they trucks never make sense for 90 percent of the idiots that buy them.
Exactly the test we needed!
for the love of God, please make your videos 25 - 35 minutes max ,
it will be more attractive
@@AWIraqNot this one. I want every detail.
@@jysmtl ya. i understand, but he can simply separate it into multiple videos
Yeah, or edit this long one into a nice concise one. Or, at least, add a nice summary at the end. To his credit he did provide the basic results there at the beginning.
Yeah I clicked the video to find out the results... The Results... are there any, still havent seen them except the one at the end.
Love this video. It's awesome to see the real world tests. Also great to see the shout out for Emerald City Rivian Club as well 16:40!
EV trucks need huge batteries, period.
We were talking about that on another channel. To charge that battery in 30 minutes would require the power infrastructure the same as 132 homes for just one charger. 10 chargers would require the power infrastructure to power 1,320 homes. So a state the size of Georgia would need an extra power infrastructure to power 105 million extra homes.
@Bryan-Hensley how many gallons of gasoline does America burn per day? That's a real consideration if EV's are ever to "take over"
Great job Kyle you are doing bigger better things than all the other EV channels
Kyle driving with high beams on in the snow, driving me crazy.
That’s what it looked like to me. I was hoping he would have moved the camera to the screen to see if the highs were on. If not then damn the lights need to be adjusted. Without the highs on he would have had a clear sight of the road. Rookie mistake
I own a Lightning and my son has already declared the cybertruck to be his favorite after watching the first race across America video. I’m preparing myself for another ego beat down.
Range issues or not, at the end of the day, at least you're the one driving a normal looking truck.
Is you son 8 years old?
Different trucks for different use cases.
The F-150 is great and relatively affordable...
But too small for me just like the Rivian.
Cybertruck is long enough for what I need but I'm not paying that exta 20k foundation series.
@@pasad335close. He is 7
@@FastRedPonyCarwhy am I not surprised at the number of insecure males driving pickup trucks 😂
People were so gung-ho to criticize the Chevy Bolt EV that they completely overlooked the fact that GM has had some of the best, most dialed-in blended and regenerative braking systems of any automaker since 2017. I know some people prefer the regen configurations from other automakers, but most of that seems to stem from personal preferences and a desire for coasting, which is unnecessary if you have proper blended breaking and cruise control.
Agreed, the Gen 2 Volt had intuitive blended, regen, and regen on demand, it didn't matter what sequence or combination of regen techniques were used, it was all incredibly smooth the way it blended together.
Agreed, even the slightly earlier Gen 2 Volt had intuitive blended, regen, and regen on demand. It didn't matter what combination or sequence of regen techniques were used, they all blended together into a smooth execution. Unlike some Korean brands *cough Niro cough*.
Often times I will put these on in the background and not watch as much as listen. Visuals of the mountains in this though were just too gorgeous to not watch.
That silverado is impressive
You are certainly smashing these truck videos guys👍💪😉
Future videos should have text in the corner telling you which truck is which. Really difficult to keep the trucks straight especially if you skip around a little.
Guess they are expecting you to know the people per each truck or recognize the interiors. Wasn't hard for me but I am already relativity familiar with each truck.
@@Nebula1701 I tried, but it's a two-hour video and I was multitasking. I feel like it's a little work on their part and thousands will benefit. Plus, if you share the video starting at a timestamp then there's much less need to explain.
Totally agree.
Cybertruck and the Silverado are the coolest😎
How does this channel only have 217K subscribers? It should have millions given the value it provides.
I was thinking the same.
Speaks to the current ev market
It's pretty niche content at this point. Most people aren't towing with EV's right now.
Cool content, but if someone had done this with an ICE truck they probably would have beat the Silverado EV's time by an hour.
Most American video I've seen all day 😤😤👌
Hello from the driver of the transit van you threw shade at after passing at 31:10! 😋
I had just seen your range video and when I saw a bunch of EV trucks towing identical payloads on i-70, I had a feeling it might be you guys. Sure enough!
Looking forward to your EV van content someday!
Cool this part made it into the video 👍😁
With working chargers the Silverado EV is unstoppable.
If they had the Cybertruck battery extender, this would be a closer comparison.
$16k for 47kWh of 450lbs battery.
@@davidbeppler3032and then your max towing gets destroyed because of the huge payload loss. The weight on that battery is gonna be 625 because it needs to meet DOT regs
@@davidbeppler3032the Silverado would still win though because the battery capacity is so much larger still, 212 kwh vs 170 kwh.
@@mattbrew11 So, still 1500lbs less than the Chevy? Seems good. Also, the Silverado efficiency is pretty low.
@@davidbeppler3032 no. Your understanding of payload as it relates to towing is non existent.
I watched this from start to finish,superb guys what a journey,thank you to everyone involved 👍💪😉
I have to hand it Chevy. Only made it half way through the video and the Silverado seems to be the most useful truck when it comes to towing. I'm impressed so far.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but if these trucks got about 1.3 miles per kw/hr then that would be about 43 mpgE. Compared to gas pickups towing at 12 mpg, that's a lot more efficient. It will be interesting to see how efficient the upcoming trucks will be that use an electric motor and an ice generator.
@OutOfSpecReviews You guys are killin it with this content, I love it!
Keeping it Real!
Great real world testing.
Famous last words: "Let`s not make this a super long video!" 150 minutes later.... 😄
1:13:49 Generally, Silverado EV drivers are still going to want to prioritize ChargePoint, EA, and EVgo over the Superchargers because of the voltage differences. Luckily, with the Silverado's range and flatter charging profile, people will be able to be a bit more picky about which 350+ kW public chargers they use.
Is there a problem with using 800 V SuperChargers?
@@bradallen1832 There wouldn't be a problem other than the fact that they don't currently exist.
Epic! What an adventure. Felt like I was riding along. Most people have know idea how spectacularly beautiful most of I-70 is from Provo, Utah to Denver.
I just drove a family members 'Foundation' CyberTruck' and loved it. It is a head snapper with people doing u-turns to follow it and when parked draws the curious with big smiles. Ya gotta allow time to show and answer questions.
Truck was driven up from the Bay area to Sutherlin, Oregon @ a max speed of 65-mph with one 10-minute stop to charge . I-5 has a lot of Tesla Super Charger stations right off the freeway.
The algorithm graced me with this channel yesterday, and I've binged a whole lot! I adore road trip videos from gears and gasoline, so these being a lot longer is AWESOME! :D
Grand Junction....visited there 15 years ago, pulled the trigger and purchased a house there. Best move of my life. Luv that town...Hope they step it up and invest in some of those latest generation ChargePoint DC fast chargers.
Yes! These are the tests we need
Cybertruck deserved a better driver
1:08:58 ABB units were the ones installed with the first-gen HUBER + SUHNER cables that had the faulty thermistors. So the reduction to 100 A occurs when that thermistor doesn't have a good temperature rating. It's possible that even if it is buggy, EA might allow the full 500 A when the thermistor is functioning. Of course, EA should have replaced all those cables by now, but it's really hard to tell where they are in their upgrades.
I guess it shouldn't be a surprise, but cool to see that the Cybertruck was the most efficient of all.
It could definitely be second place in this race but things like choosing the wrong stop do happen in the real world as well.
I don't think it would have made up the difference. The charging curve is still not great, and the charge port is in the wrong spot (unhitching), and you can't use a CCS station, so fewer charging options.
@@bikeaddictbpthey definitely had all 250kw charging stations that was needed that trip.
Same charging speed at 250kw at the top compared to rivian with a more efficient vehicle, Cybertruck could've definitely gotten second there.
@@bikeaddictbp Would have definitely made the difference, he hit two 125kW chargers and even spent time power sharing at 60kW.
Put Kyle in the Cybertruck and he would have won🎉
@@felgen24he didn’t win in the cybertruck on the coast to coast race
I never understand why on these races to vegas / across colorado the tesla drivers never stop in edwards at the 250 for a quick top up to make rifle or parachute which are both 250's and always stop at the craptastic 125 in glenwood springs.
This video is sooo great!!! Having the best 4 electric pickups in such a great comparison! This video should be a must for a US pickup interested people to finally choose their pickup EV !
One thing I've noticed with our Mach-Es is that Sync nav voice input takes several minutes to initialize after you power up the car. It will work immediately if you type in an address or POI though. Annoying.
I love how Kyle knows all the voltage and ampacity capacities and limits off the top of his head. 'A total EV guru!
Try to Remember Towing should be done at Safe Speeds and the Driver needs to take responsible Breaks to maintain concentration. If you can get 300 Miles out of a Tow in an EV before needing to charge that should be enough. Batteries will only get better. Regressing to a Diesel which emits Carcinogenic Fumes is like someone taking up smoking Again but making sure everyone nearby gets secondhand Smoke.
The surge brakes on these uhaul trailers might actually hurt range on the electric trucks because the brakes come on any time the tow vehicle slows whether you want it to or not. They work great and they're super smooth for towing but you don't want friction brakes coming on when you're doing regen only. I would assume that the manufacturers designed these to not apply the electric trailer brakes during regen. There's a solenoid that bypasses the brakes when your tow vehicle reverse lights come on, so there may be a way to trick that into happening on the tow vehicle during regen, but I don't know if the engineers thought of that. I would assume they didn't.
Wow epic test, thank you and well done!
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AWESOME video you guys! Real world testing is what I like to see for electric vehicles, especially electric pickup trucks.
great job on all the work you did to get this done
Would be nice if you could plug the model 3 that's being towed into the truck to expand the battery while towing
Or the trailer. Imagine if the deck of that trailer was a battery that the truck could use. I keep wondering why Tesla isn't building one of these.
@@briankeeley6464Trailers with batteries seems inevitable to me, especially if battery prices come down as expected.
The thing that's missing is a standard for getting the trailer's energy into the truck.
I suppose they could just have the trailer battery drive the trailer wheels and take that load off the truck. But I'm not sure what kind of challenges that would bring, maybe a lot.
I think it's already being done by a couple of companies but haven't heard anything about it lately.
@@briankeeley6464 Because if the trailer has a giant battery, it would be useless since you couldnt load anything on it. Duh.
Looking forward to this
Dang, you beat me.
Competition is great. Glad to see so many e trucks all doing well. It is sure that if you are not in a race. Every one of this truck is doing well.
I'm very impressed at how much better towing and range has got on trucks
@10:32 Jordan rocking the MKBHD hoodie.. he should've been towing the Miata ;)
I've blocked out 30 minutes a day for the next 6 days to watch all of this. Can't wait!
One minute in to the video and I'm already thinking, OoS content is going off the charts!
I saw one of the Silverado EV's on Tuesday evening at the Berkeley Marina.
"Imagine stopping here and calling it the Ike...glove...or something..." 😂😂😂
Great video guys. Love the long distance races.
Honestly, my house is fully EV (Tesla Model X and a Chevy Bolt) and I've never considered an EV truck for long distance towing but that Silverado was impressive. I currently tow my small retro camper with the Model X and it get the job done but the Silverado would put it to shame. Maybe in 6-10 years when it's time to sell the Tesla I'll pick one up.
Watched the whole thing. Great video.
It would really be interesting to do the same test with a travel trailer as that would be the common use case. The drag would change the game.
Ah the memories of commissioning these back in nOm! Dannial Hayes
I cant believe I looked an over 2 hours video, and be so captivated.
Well, this adventure was deservind an Graphics result with times and parameters for every car and not the obvious conlusion that the Silverado îs the best.
Something like , / total pits / total charging time / total kwh charged / AVG. Consumtion / AVG speed / 500 ml towing chalenge final time
A lot of thanks and apreciation for this supeproduction which will remain în history for ever.
Great video, great editing. Enjoyable to watch. Thanks
Thanks!
Amazing video guys. And loving the sound tracks and the production quality.
Goes to show how important planning is… slow down a little and increase your range to skip a charge🤷♂️
Silverado isn't getting the attention it deserves
probably because it isn't available to anyone but fleet purchasers at this point.
It won’t get attention until it’s available to the public.
I kind of agree.
From a technological perspective, it’s not impressive, anybody can pack 200kWh in a truck and get their range.
From a range perspective alone, it’s great. From a towing perspective it still stinks because the lack of pull through chargers.
From a price perspective, it prices out 99% of people.
From a complete package, it’s an expensive and inconvenient solution to a minor issue.
@@iamnidorders are being placed while we speak! I know someone who ordered his a couple weeks ago. They told him to expect it by May.
@@Nunya-lz9eythe Silverado they are testing is $50,000 less expensive then the Cybertruck they are testing! The Cybertruck is a failure for the money!
The subconscious assumption here is that to be a real pickup, then you have to be able to tow 1000s of pounds 100s of miles regularly. That's only about 7% of the pickup market. But if you need to tow with an EV, then the Silverado is the beast.
Why do people assume pickup owners either constantly tow or never tow? Most of us tow 1-2 times per year, maybe 3-4 in a busy year.
Really nicely done. Best comparison out there of the current generation of EV pickups for towing bar none. Gotta say that Silverado EV is impressive, and I'm feeling pretty happy right now that I placed a first-hour pre-order.
Silverado is the truck Cybertruck should have been. Team Cybertruck also had terrible race strategy in this video, basically just winging it.
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This is great, what a fun and useful experiment. Hopefully the manufacturers watch and make improvements, many of which could be done with existing hardware. I tow quite a bit with my MYLR and it has some similar issues, but also is an excellent tow vehicle for less than a couple hundred miles.
I'm impressed with the Rivian. Oldest truck out there. Was first to market, and still came in second.
I love how Kyle just laughs about the preposterous charging of the Silverado
Jordan - if you are going skip a charger, you need to remove it from the route plan, and then the Nav will recalculate to find the next option. If you don't remove a charger from your route plan, the Nav cannot read your mind.
Charging port location in Rivian is the best of all other trucks for all around needs.
But still wrong. It needs to be on the right front, not the left front. Same with the Ford. And Farley has already said that's being moved to the correct side.
@@Paul-cj1wb If the drive through system for charging stalls, like in Norway, would be implemented, then it would not even be an issue about port location at all. For now I would prefer a Rivian port location. Hopefully the future Ford charging will be the best as you wrote.
@@nevco8774 That's the future, yes. But for now we all have to live in what exists in reality. That'll take many, many years to get there on a country as large as America, not to mention Canada.
If manufacturer's want to sell vehicle's, they have to move it to one of the correct 2 locations or fall far behind. And even fail in Rivian's case.
Like it or not, there are more V3 stalls/dispensers out there than ALL other stalls/dispensers combined. In fact, more than 4 times more than all other Fast DC charging ports. So unless you want to restrict your options to only 25% of the charging options out there without having to carry around an extension that can be lost or stolen, or taking up two spots, you place it on the correct location. Which for towing is ONLY the RIGHT front.
An aerodynamic load favors more aerodynamic trucks.
This may be the only show that the long form content is video and the podcast is the tldr.
If you have solar and this Silverado EV, you won't need the grid anymore. And definitely no more power blackouts if you still use the grid. You can run your whole house for 2 weeks plus with that battery.
Good video guys! Thank you!
If someone tows occasionally all 4 trucks will do just fine.
If someone tows regularly let's say once a month then it is much better the Chevrolet Silverado vs others.
If someone tows across the country once in a while it is better to wait for RAM Range extended EV truck.
If someone tows daily moderate loads it is better to have right now a Ford F150 HEV or a Toyota Tundra HEV.
If someone tows heavy loads daily on very long distance then a Diesel HD truck will do the job for now.
Almost a perfect video. Please show the steering wheel logos more in the videos. I would lose track of who was driving what, which ruins the narrative.
Or put the truck in the corner in editing.
I had to memorize their voices.
Love these truck videos and music on these.
I love that drive. Did it a few years ago
This is next level damn! But what I expected from you guys!
They should do a cross country race and call it "The Killowatt Run"
Cybertruck was really hurting his chances going to 120 KW chargers
I'm waiting for pictures of the Silverado EV with Model 3 on the trailer to show up on FB with a caption that a Tesla needs to be towed by a diesel truck.
Kyle road trip machine 😮
That's was pretty cool. Well done.