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I came to listen to the melodic rhythm of Sven banging on the engine. Was mildly disappointed when I saw that you were in the A-4, but it'll still be a great vid! Wasn't expecting that Viggen AB heat treatment you received though. Great stuff!
I had to give my sven a break today, he worked hard yesterday.
@@GrowlingSidewinder 😂 He had a headache from all that bangin and the G-Forces lol
@@GrowlingSidewinder
*Knock knock*
GS: "Not today, Sven!"
Sven: "Thank Odin, a break."
GS: "I'll fly the Scooter today, see you in the sky."
Sven: *angry CLANG noises*
Better have your Scooter wing check for de-tempering GS. She was feeling the heat today!
I always feel bad for those poor virtual inhabitants on the ground who unexpectedly have a burning jet crashing through their roofs. Jokes aside, these are really fun to watch. Love your channel.
The engine reflection on the wing was awesome.
Yeah! ED has put some serious effort in DCS 😍
That Viggen pilot must have skipped reading the manual: "No Viggen diet, no Viggen powers!"
The A-4 is still surprisingly agile. Remember watching the A-4 in the Shepard scenes in The Right Stuff when I was a kid and have loved it since. There used to be a shot up A-4 on the back side of Kirtland AFB that my dad would let me climb up on to check out.
When the HMS Invincible came to New Zealand after the Falklands with Sea Harriers we did a mock attack on the carrier with our Skyhawks when it was off the coast. They never picked us up on radar or saw us coming and couldn't scramble the Harriers in time. A Sea Harrier trained on shore at Ohakea for a week with our A-4's and we got kills on the Harrier. They key is good training and good weapons, we had radar and sidewinders on our Skyhawks.
@@EndTimeDreams Must have been a great experience. Those little birds are so simple yet potent. Saw a single down in Tucson awhile back for restoration at $25k, if I was well off...
@@EndTimeDreams The HMS Invencible has also been hit by an EXOCET missile launched from a Dagger.
I am thoroughly convinced that if the A-4 Skyhawk had an afterburner installed it would be the best fighter aircraft around today. In fact, my secret documents here confirm that the A-4 is actually just a Mirage III without AB.
@@collander7766 the a4 has a rear equilibrator, how you can compare with a pure Delta? on plus is so little that an afterburner can dry it up just after a takeoff...it simply lack the space to transform it in an interceptor. the a4 is a simple airplane for subsonic flying (the slats deploy under aerodinamics force,just think of that) with a great payload capabilities
I think the updated engine on the JA-37 “Fighter” Viggen is supposed to address compressor stalling...
Can’t wait to see the dedicated “Jakt” version.
is there a variant being made by heatblur?
@@officialusmanqureshi It’s probably hard to make a JA version because of its avionics. It’s much more advanced then the AJ version.
To my knowledg there's no plan to make a JA. EF-2000 and A-6 are the next focus for HB it seems
@@officialusmanqureshi I asked them about it and they say that a lot of info is still classified, so they wont make it in close future
@@voidopal5210 partly at least the SkyFlash missiles and their capabilities is still classified.
JA had a rather complete GCI system - GCI could provide direction data to the pilot to ensure a good intercept.
The Ericsson radar's true abilities is also classified.
I like how the A-4 sounds like a ‘99 Odyssey at 80 MPH when it turns hard.
A lot of people don't realize the engine in the Viggen is basically a Skyhawk engine (J-52) It is a JT8D which is a J-52 with a bypass fan section in the front. Sweden added an afterburner
Good point. Did skyhawk have similar issues with compressor stalls?
Atleast earlier jet engines where very sensitive but its seldom modelled
@@AttiliusRex The engine was pretty good as I can remember. The long tail pipe on the A-4 was also an advantage, the F-16's had problems getting a lock too as I recall.
Once saw the Blue Angels in A-4s over Lynchburg, VA in A-4s, circa 1980. They flew into town the day before an air show, and gave the whole town a show to be sure we knew they were there. An awesome show and we didn’t pay a cent (other than our share of taxes). Those Skyhawks are very agile, indeed.
The reflective lighting from the afterburner on the A4 on the near collision was amazing...well done ED.
first time I saw the blue angels as a kid, they were flying A-4s.
I love the A-4, love mid-cold war aircraft, so the A-4 against anything scratches such an itch
A brilliant design. Wings so short they didn't need to fold on a carrier deck, and yet able to carry more ordnance than a B-17 bomber, and it did that with only 8.5k thrust, vs Viggen's 28k. The Viggen had 7x the ROC though, so in that regard its power showed.
What about A-4 vs L-39? It could be quite interesting dogfight
Ts-11 vs l-39
You pump out so many videos so fast I love your channel keep it up
ya this channel rocks, and I love the commentary, well done. I know I use to work on NAVY Jets
The A4 is always fun, and always underestimated!
The A4 biggest advantage in that fight was GS.
I think you make excellent content when showing how to play to your own strengths.
It really shows the complexity of aerial warfare and that big numbers aren't everything.
I was a plane captain on A-4s with VFA-127, a U.S. Navy aggressor squadron, at NAS Fallon, Nevada in the late 80s. All of our birds were done up in Soviet air force and navy colors, red star included. Those little planes can dog fight!
It’s well known that the concept of the raid fight is all about when vikings learned 1/2 circle fighting in ships. ;)
"Gentlemen, this is your first hop. The jets you're flying against are smaller, faster and more maneuverable"
Amazing plane!...we kiwis absolutely LOVED our Skyhawks.
Kia Kaha ❤from Aotearoa/New Zealand
Any aircraft GS flies is capable of all kinds of neat and fascinating ways to beat aircraft it shouldn't.
Love the wing wag at the end. "Much disrespect." Perfect.
That was some Volvo style second merge. It almost looked like GS would take one in the face ... again.
Now that's how you fly a Skyhawk good work GS. The RNZAF would be proud of you.
Little never hurt anyone either brother
@@GrowlingSidewinder From 1:34 onward that Viggen was toast, we had AIM-9 Sidewinders on our A-4's.
Were those the ones that Australia sold off for a bargain or did NZ already have their own as well and just soaked up the AU surplus in addition? I missed seeing the Mirages and I believe A4's at the local base here in North QLD.
@@pldaniels New Zealand had 14 purpose built straight off the skyhawk production line in California in 1970 designated A-4K painted in the Vietnam war era south east Asia camouflage. After Australia disbanded the HMAS Melbourne aircraft carrier we bought 10 more skyhawks (A-4G) which were modified to A-4K standard. In 1986 they were all updated with F-16 avionics and radar. We had sidewinders, laser guided bombs, Maverick missiles etc.
I suspect the compressor stalls at high AoA were due to the placement of the engine intakes and lack of a pressure recovery system. The chin intake on the Viper soaked up a lot of design hours, and kept getting shorter and shorter until it was impinging on the landing gear. Turns out the very short Viper intake was a huge advantage in the engine breathing well, especially at high AoA. It did need to grow a bit for the "Big Mouth" 50s, but even that was easier because it was so short.
Having seen a couple of full AB takeoffs from the different types of 37's scorching the runway... Yes it might be an issue being close to the tailpipe :)
I have an afinity for the A4. NZ airforce used them for waaaaay longer than they should have but still performed very well with them internationally
Sven worked hard this time around.
And btw, the compressor stall was fixed for the JA37 version. Not sure if the fix eventually made it to the AJ37 version in DCS though.
In real life, the update didn't make it to any version other than the JA37, which would exclude the AJS37 version in DCS as well. Neither the AJ37 nor the AJS37 were really supposed to be used as fighters other than out of utter desperation, so I suppose it makes sense.
The thing is that AJS37 Viggen is the ground attack version of Viggen. It's made for low fast ground attacks NOT dogfights.
It would be a better choice to use JA37 Viggen instead which is the air dominance fighter version of Viggen with stronger engine (without engine stall) and it also has a completely different electronics with better radar and inbuilt cannon.
JA37 would eat it this bird without any problem.
I mean both aircraft in this video are designed for ground attack. It seems like a fair comparison.
@@bryantmarwitz3753 Well... I would say that the light attack A-4 Skyhawk which weigh about half as much as Viggen is better in dogfights compered with AJS Viggen.
@@jorgenpersson662 Yeah. I think a more interesting comparison would be the F-105, if we had it in DCS.
@@bryantmarwitz3753 👍
JA 37 is the world's greatest high altitude interceptor. No other aircraft has locked up the SR-71 so many times and weekly during the cold war, ingenious data link system. Regards from New Zealand
I was waiting for another GS eats his own words moment: "can hear the engine go 'bam bam'", followed by the 'bam bam' of incoming cannon rounds hitting the A4...
1:02
HOLY SHIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIT
OK, so I'm going to start calling it a rake fight, just to mess with people!
The A4 is capable of doing things you wouldn't expect from a dinky little aircraft like an A4.
Brilliant.
The real downfall of the Viggan is that wing loses a crap ton of energy in a turn fight ! The little Skyhawk does not.
Odd. At MTOW the Skyhawk has a higher wing-loading too. Hummm...
@@roijoi6963 you don't dogfight at MTOW
You should do F15 vs F/A18 dogfight. Really interested to see how the Eagle fights against a Hornet.
Love your channel! I watch your videos all the time. I kinda wish DCS would come up with a Saab 35 Draken module, the predecessor to the Viggen. Supposedly that was a better pure fighter than the Viggen, and could even do the Cobra maneuver. Thanks again!
Also a design the F-16XL borrowed heavily from, in particular, its cranked-arrow wing.
Well, the Draken-drivers invented the ”cobra”, as an training method to cope with the superstall that the draken was prone to experience. Then some soviet fighter pilots saw the maneuver over the Baltic sea and started to practice it.
I’m a simple man. I see GS post, I click, like, and comment
people like you keep this channel pluggin along brother thank you
The A4 Was known as "Heinemanns Hot Rod" cause of its spectecular Performance. Heinemann Was the lead engineer.
That's a nice RAVE fight
He said grape fight, didn't he?
Like getting graped in the mouth.
Next video: Today we're in the Kitty Hawk Flyer and we'll be taking on the F-22.
A-4 still got what it takes to give anyone a hard time.. 1:00 to 1:18 was a free Swedish do-over of your paint job 🤣🤪
TBF the A4 was also used in the Top Gun movie in the training dogfights.
Back in the late 90's the New Zealand Airforce sent 5 A-4's to attack an Australian F-18 base RAAF Tindal. The Australians put up 4 Hornets and we got 4 kills without any loss of skyhawks. We fought our way in and out. The A-4 is fierce in the right hands with the right equipment.
Was this pre Kahu up grade or after chap?
I dont think the a4 has ever won a dogfight on this channel😂😂 i was really waiting for the video title to be named the little bird that could
The A-4 was also a Blue Angles aircraft as well
Phantoms, Skyhawks, Hornets, and I forget the other type
@@andrewhogan6533 tigers, panthers, cougars, and hellcats were the first ones I believe.
@@kindasupersonic7114 never knew they flew hellcats
@@andrewhogan6533 they started in 1946, the hellcat did it for a few years and then they transitioned to the bearcats
@@kindasupersonic7114 didn’t realize they went back that far either. I thought they started around the Korean War.
Man i would love to see the A-4 go up against the L-39
A4 is my favorite aircraft for some reason. probably because its unique on its own way also 60's 70's aircraft
GS: The downfall of the Viggen
Viggen: *falling straight towards the ground.
Me: oddly appropriate timing.
Great video the pure fact that you beat him in a A-4 is just pure talent
Hey GS have you thought about putting on a yearly Top Gun competition it would be cool to watch you could probably get DCS to sponsor it.
Probably the best fight in months! Take care! :)
Two of my favorite aircraft. So awesome to see them go head to head like this.
Honey combe sandwhich between the stressed surface panels allows only holes to happen so you will not loose a wing very tough structure the A4 has. great air to ground tool !Be Blessed
Holly shit it's Viper... Viper's up here great... Holly shit... yea, he's probably saying Holly shit it's Mavrick and Goose... yea I'm sure he's saying that...
🤣 never gets old...
@@WALTERBROADDUS never ever
WOW! Good job little Skyhawk! :D
First ever model airplane I made was a Viggen...which has absolutely nothing to do with any of this 🤷🏻♂️
It was my first model I detailed. I wish I still had it. Gave it to girl friend’s little brother to make points with her.
FliteTest version?
Heineman's Hotrod prevails yet again!
I wanna see the F-104 mod vs the Viggen!
Viggen Wins
The Viggen looks badass .
The corrosion shop is going to be pissed when you get back to base
Yo GS, Scooters for ever! Thanks for the content. Have a pleasant day. Cheers
Your pronunciation is perfect, it's just people who are not acclimated to the lingo that goes along with flying and dogfighting.
Love the A-4
Would be really cool to see you fly it in RNZAF colours in a future vid
Great content as always GS
Another advantage of the a4 - its roll rate. If you get defensive test your bandits roll rate it a downhill vertical scissors. If you have the altitude of course
Exactly Jester... ^~^ which is why the A-4 and F-5 are used in dissimilar air-combat training. They simply drive opponents crazy with what they can do.. 0~o
edit; bloody 'ell, my inability to spell at times even astound me.... 0~o I can English damn-it... >~
The A4 is the best part about watching topgun
Good Job in the A4. The Fighter weapons school used the A4 to represent a low tech, subsonic fighter threat (a MiG 17 or J5)
So, well done - you just used a MiG 17 analogue to kill a more advanced aircraft.
The only thing that bags more than a Viggen is Ricky Martin.
The amount of times GS had to clarify the time of fight that goes 2 circles is probably having the oposite effect, cause I for sure aint calling it a rate fight anymore.
If GS wins, I shall call it a "RAPE" fight
If he loses, it'll be a "GREAT" Fight
If one of the pilots gets shot in the head?
I'd say that was a hit in the "GRAPE" fight.
If someone pulls some magic outta their ass? I guess thats a "SNAPE" Fight.
IF GS suckers him in and reverses its "BAIT" fight
I like how I am learning dogfighting terms and tactics. I used to think that the compressor stalls was an attempt by the aircraft to combat high pressure flying; like I thought it was designed to make that noise for advantage. Will DCS use an improved Viggen?
That close flyby was so sick
The Viggen is a massive Airliner engine, with an added Afterburner. It has an absurd Power to weight ratio for an Aircraft that old.
If you listen closely, you might hear the "BORK-ing" of that engine...
“Playing chicken” while piloting two jets!
The A-4 is a cool aircraft. My country (New Zealand) used to have a few as their only combat capable fighter from the 60s up until early 2000s when the government cancelled lease order of some replacement F-16s and then cancelled the A-4 entirely 🙄. Now we have nothing but a few helicopters and transport planes 😭
We used to clean up F-16's and F-18's quite a lot too. Especially Australian FA/-18's
@@EndTimeDreams we had some great pilots. They were all just made redundant and now even if we did get a new fleet of aircraft, we wouldn't have anyone to fly them
The A-4 is such an underrated plane. It has an insane roll rate. Very agile. And a great payload capacity and range. I can’t wait for a full fidelity Skyhawks.
Good fight... all that stick-and-rudder work to stay alive must've been quite a workout.
Imagine the JA version. And all those compressor stalls are gone.
You got lucky that the Viggen missed you. There were few times I thought you would get smoked.
That pass was close. Even closer to the cameras filming the combat
That pass was great! So close you could feel the thrust from the Viggen. The afterburner reflection was cool too. Or was hot is more likely lol.🤒🤒🤒🌡🌡🌡
Well,sven tried his best to the very end,salute to sven💪🏻
Is it just me or does the viggen has the silhouette of a swedish christmas tree?
scooter has left the building ..
that was one sick burn, bruh.
Sidewinder claims two kills! A Viggen and yet another poor Mariana resident's house
Great fight GS way to hang in there and look for mistakes by the aircraft or the pilot.
Love the A-4, thanks for the video!!
Loved the heat effect on the A-4.
When you're fighting guns only you are often so close I am surprised there are not more collisions. May I suggest that next time you attach some ribs and burgers to the wings. They would be BBQed on just one pass.
Both planes are a trip to fly.
Well, it seems that Sven couldn't bring back the viggen's engine back on time.
Oh good, a video by Growling Singewinger!
Great near collision!! A real butt puckering moment!
With that kind of engagement range you gotta paint the plane with anti-flash white.
Don’t know if it’s possible but if the “Jas Gripen” exists in this game it would be awesome to see!
Swedish meatballs delivered hot and ready to your curbside!
Cue the drum solo banging out Led Zeppelins immigrant song!
Take it away Mr. Bonham.
A-10 Thunderbolt VS Viggen
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Wow that was such a good grape fight