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Alright okay, video 9 seconds ago, comment 27 minutes ago, how??
@@anonymous17367 If you have a membership, you can watch the video sooner... I suppose.
Lol no, TH-cam allows creators to post comments before you guys see the video the delay is due to TH-cam processing the video in preparation for its release.
@@GrowlingSidewinder oh okay👍
Plz make the dog fight between F35 vs Rafale.
Back at Base: "You replaced the airshow tracers on that F-5 right?... right?"
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(insert jordan peele sweating gif) lmaooo im dying from that comment.
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I didn't understood this comment until I watched the video:
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I assume this is what fighting a protagonist feels like.
yup
Plot armor
Bet Tom Cruise was in that Mirage
@@laloaguirre9847 yup.
That very first "hey guys" you could hear the defeat in GS's voice lol
Lol yeah
I think the question that needs to be asked is who was REALLY being baited here? The mirage's plan was clearly to get shot and make gs impatient so he'd make a mistake. Classic high IQ move when you start with an advantage
wow, I not only got robbed...I got played too...
I will agree with you if it is factual the Mirage can take that many hits. I mean that is a friggin tank with wings then.
@@GrowlingSidewinder He played you like a damn fiddle!
@@GrowlingSidewinder Looked like a mirage, flew like a mirage, but its weapons and armor were comparable to an a-10.
@@mrbreck1 It is an SU 25 in disguise... lol
F5: NO! YOU CAN'T KILL ME IN ONE SHOT! I HIT YOU 4 TIMES!
Mirage: Haha delta wing goes brrrrrr...
More like DEFA cannon goes brrrr but well... both work.
That Mirage must have been spamming healing potions that whole time.
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The Mirage pilot was main lining Stimpacks and Psycho each time he got hit! (Fallout reference)
Little did GS know the mirage had already consumed 487 cheese wheels
@@privatelisting366
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He ate like 458 potatoes (Skyrim reference)
Only the will of that Mirage pilot kept the plane in the air.
Shit simulation programming kept that Mirage in the air. I wouldn’t even take that as a loss.
The guy with the highest figting spirit always wins. At least, that's what I've learned from anime...
That and Dassault engineers..
@@SvenTviking it's razbam.... shit is what they do.Never buy from them.
The feeling of French superiority kept the plane from falling out of the sky
F5: It's over french fry! I have hit you four times. It's time for you to surrender.
Mirage: *Non.*
GS: “What do I gotta do? This is 20 mm man!”
DCS: “you fool, the F5 can’t shoot down the mirage.”
Thats why everyone else uses 27mm or 30mm haha
Ray Holmes: If guns are not enough there is always ram in option.
Speaking of ram... "You simply can't replace RAM, but with more RAM." No replace "RAM" with "mm" :)
In other words: Size does matter (that's what she said) XD
Mirage : That's 30mm for you. Deal with it. 8-)
You think you hit it, but it's a Mirage.
I'm telling all y'all it's sabotage!
I’m rafaling
I see what ya did there, good one!
If you thought you hit it, just hit it more.
@@FightCain I am telling you, I was gripen my seat the whole time.
GS: "WHY WON'T YOU DIE???"
Mirage: "Nanomachines, son"
This mgr quote is underrated ^^
Have you ever fought a US senator with a laser katana?
@@beng7844 no, but some oddly charming robodog :p
He kept him waiting
The Virgin M39 20mm vs The Chad Defa 30mm
Lol kind of amazing that the mirage was even able to take off with that many inches of armour plating
Hey, a Brazilian Mirage3 pilot said that his DEFA has "about" 6times the "Power" of the 20mm. So "ALL" you had to do was hit him two more times LOL
Sounds about right. WWII statistics tell that a single 30mm hit was usually enough to kill a fighter, vs. about 5 20mm hits.
@@jbepsilon - The problem is that Mirage was hit by at least 20 shells from those M39 canons on the F-5. Something is definitely not correct in the modeling/programing of the amount of damage a 20mm HEAPI can do.
The damage model at 10:35 shows that you did everything but shoot him in the face. A definite robbery.
Yea, those turbines would have been denigrated!
You should fight an f15, those things are immortal, super broken damage model lol
@@StoneCoolds hehe... well they have flown/landed with 1 wing irl... just sayin
@@kennethhicks2113 Um... so? The f14 has landed with 1 wing literally ripped off. And many others had it worse. Like f105's in vietnam...
I was lel'ing the whole time, GS just couldnt win even after realistically destroying that Mirage.
As an Aussie, I have real soft spot for particularly the Mirage III, and the whole Mirage family. Our Mirages did consistently well in exercises against the USAF , USN & USMC aircraft, so it isn't surprising that underestimating one with a good pilot could get you killed. The 30mm DEFA cannon in particular, is a bit like an elephant's foot - once it steps on you, you are officially screwed! There is merit to the idea that you don't count your aerial victories until your opponent hits the ground! ;-)
It’s funny, cause is Brazilian Air Force, the f5 and the mirage were rivals, and most of the time the f5 win in dogfights
@@valkoharja
But only if the pilot in the better platform has the patience to force the fight into what best suits them. Odds are the F-5 and Mirage are better under different conditions, even if the Mirage is a better fighter overall.
'Everyone' always seems to say they did well against the yanks.The RAF guys hell even RNZAF say they kicked ass with Skyhawks. And of course now RAAF.
@@rogerpattube I think that there is an element of measuring yourself against the elephant in the room. Particularly when the elephant assumes that beating you is going to be a cake walk ;-)
@@pedrodealmeidabianchi3569 ye mirage 3 not mirage 2000
Absolute, stone cold, broad daylight robbery.
Reminds me of crimson skies when players could edit their plane to add armor beyond what was allowed.
Wow that explain things. On MP there were guys flying like they had infinite Rocket motors... And were as tough as this mirage LOL
@@rgrigio I remember another player had effectively infinite armor on the coptor on the map with no hanger. After doing very well at the beginning of the match being invulnerable he quickly ran out of ammo. The map was the ocean map that no re arming hanger. He flew around for the rest of the match trying to crash into the water to respawn with a full load. He couldn’t do it. Ended up loosing. Was satisfying to watch. To smart by half I guess.
all you did was turn a French plane into Swiss Cheese :D
Underrated comment ^^
Well, seeing as there are no holes in Swiss Cheese, are you implying that GS missed all of its shots ?
(Oh and, Swiss cheese isn't a thing, I think you're talking about "Gruyère" which is one of the several famous cheese in Switzerland ;) )
@@stitch77100 you must be a riot at parties
@@zaphodt3405 Because I know stuffs and point out other people mistakes in a friendly and kinda funny way ? You'd be surprised how well I actually do, especially in Switzerland, as I have lived there for 3 years ;)
It's one of those topics that always have to come back when someone speak about holes in cheese. And if you ever ate a Fondue, you'd know the cheeses in it are different than the gruyère. It's kind of a big deal in the Alpine culture tbh. And it's delicious too, which doesn't hurt either.
But about the original comment, I agree that GS did hit the mirage quite a few times, and with anything other than a 20mm on a sturdy plane, it would have been a kill. But the mirage is quite a sturdy plane, and the 20mm are not the most powerful ammo in the range. It is the difference between "throw enough [shells] at the enemy, and some of it could eventually disable the plane or the pilot, and the bigger more powerful calibres, like 23 or 30mm, where the rate of fire is lower, so the hit chances are a bit fewer too, but any hit will be crippling and have a real impact.
Different philosophy for doing war : quantity vs "quality" (but I'd rather say Impact in this case)
The damage model may be broken, or not, I don't know, but the Mirage should not have lasted so long IMO. Especially considering that it is a single motor jet and smoking very dark.
But there have been numerous occasion where planes came back full of holes and still able to carry their mission, especially bombers in WW2. So a hit is not always a guaranty of neutralisation, and sometimes, the bullet just rips on highly angled plate, or just goes through.
So, the Swiss cheese plane have more chance to continue flying than the one hit by one or two 30mm shells ;)
(yeah, I'm kind of a nerd about guns, ammo and ballistic science, which makes actually great party discussions)
@@stitch77100 Yeah, people nearly always make the mistake.
Also, for the OP, the Mirage's pilot turned the Tiger into a pelt rug. ;)
GS: This is 20 mil
Crew chief: has anyone seen my box of 1000 grape jelly packets?
I was thinking paintballs, but either works… or doesn’t in this case. Seriously, he’d have been better off opening the canopy and throwing his helmet at the mirage as it went past.
Pickup line: hey, are we in a desert? Because you look like a Mirage...
Ayyyy.
😂 Boom!!!
You can't knock the endurance of the Mirage in DCS.
I once was flying in a sever with a friend (he was in an F14) while I was flying the Mirage, we went after a group of bandits and at some point during the fight, I took a missile and basically my plane was shredded and my radar was destroyed, but somehow the plane was incredibly flyable and because of the Beauty of the Magic 2s ability to lock on through their IR seeker heads I was able to shoot down the remaining plane with with my Magic 2 despite not even having radar.
It is a wonderful plane, though don't expect to always survive everything, in my experience unless they kill the pilot or somehow rip a wing/rudder off, don't ever count it out of the fight. More often than not I am dying cause I got pilot sniped with a missile in the face.
That ending was unsatisfactory to say the least, poor GS, being robbed of his well deserved victory.
The Disrespect...
Someone nerf'd that Mirage. The entire intake path to the power plant was swiss cheese'd by cannon rounds. No more FOD walks if this is how engines run after being shot by cannon rounds.
That's just the visual damage model, that doesn't mean that bullets made these holes and therefore that these parts were actually hit
Looks like some Gaijin dev put his hand in there...
nah not even Gaijin's damage models are this BS... usually...
NAh mirage falls out of the sky if it even gets glanced at.
Reminded me of dumping 2000 rounds of 7.92mm into the back of an I-16 flying straight and level for evaluation purpose in Oleg's World back in the day :D
And then wondering why that thing kept on flying - with all that extra weight pumped into it XD
The Mirage pilot has a DCS cheat code. If I was the Mirage pilot I would've probably bugged out after I saw black smoke coming from my plane. Kudos to his persistence.
It isn't over until the fat lady sings and he din' hear nothing over his steel balls claning.
@@desert_jin6281 = GS has a real claim here. Did you see that Mirage? Holy shit! He was riddled with 20mm holes! You mean no absolute vital avionics weren't damaged in those hits! The FCS gets hit, fughettaboutit!
@@NeutronRob as soon as you're pretty damaged it's that damage model regardless if the wholes are accurately placed it's always the same ones.
@@nallezpasvoiryarien6049
You sure about that?
GS called a tracer going into the fuselage just aft of the cockpit - and there is a BIG frigging hole there.
@@stinkyfungus it's always there, i 'm learning and dying a lot and i can't say how many times l've seen that hole.
I've never seen a player use the AI's infamous "infinite loop" in a dogfight before.
I was under the impression that it could only be used by entities that did not obey the laws of physics. Fascinating.
That Mirage has protagonist level of plot armor
i can already tell the depression in GS voice in the first 30 seconds
The Mirage delta wing design is very strong and it needs a lot of hits to cause it to fail, the F5 wing is the exact opposite, the Mirage was very lucky though.
While true, he's hit the fuselage repeatedly, and somehow despite there being an internal fire for quite a while, the engine, hydraulics, or avionics suffered no meaningful damage. That engine, in particular, should've been utterly shredded.
l personally really feel the difference btween 20 and 30mm, 2-3 30mm can often be game over in my experience, l often need close to 8-10 hits with 20 mm . The challenge in the mirage, like you said, is getting the rounds on target x)
A 30mm is 2.5 times bigger in area so the damage is a lot more from a 30mm hit for sure
The Mirage pilot learned how to take hits to non-critical areas. Very skilled!
While the F-5 does have twin 20mm, they still only fire at 1/6th the speed of the m61. So not a lot of lead in that 1 second burst. Mirage has same RoF but uses twin 30mm. Both have slow fire rate, but mirage is throwing much larger lead at the little Tiger.
I think the Mirage's damage model might be a bit too strong. Sometimes for me, even a 9X from the Viper cant kill it even with a direct hit on the tail
It's like the smoke monster from Lost chasing you down.
That Mirage's R2D2 unit needs a raise
I love the details of DCS … the map that they are fighting on is Dubai and used to live in Sharjah (a place close to Dubai) … so I could almost see exactly where I used to live 😂🤣
But when you eject it's POTATO quality on the pilot
You all guys can't understand, this is just pure baguette power, when you unleash it your simply invincible and that's it! 😂
My man harnessed the power of the Maginot just to survive another burst of 20mm
Mirage's DM is just "broken". You can hit it with multiple hits from a couple of bursts from the Vulcan cannon, and it will still be flying. Happened countless times...
Lol. That's what you get for fighting a classified special armour plated mirage. 😂
Damn you Frenchie backstabbers
This man could take any plane and shoot down any other plane. I think I know all of the tactics, and then I'll learn a new one.
wow, that was probably one of my favourite fights! Keep up the great vids :)
Kudos to GS for hanging in there. Sincerely unfortunate loss (but I though Mirage should have won a lot sooner and a lot easier?)
Probably because this is GS and as he said in the video he was winning because of his tactics and not because of his plane’s capabilities.
I can hear the spy from TF2 laughing like a pig as the Mirage returning to base with the f5 kill
He had the deadringer, that's why he never died
"Be wary, for overconfidence is a slow and insidious killer."
World's unluckiest DCS pilot Vs one French Dorito
"I got robbed"
LOLOL I don't know why, but that just struck my funny bone.
The result is annoying and unfortunate. It has happened to me a few times against a F15. That thing never dies. 😳
in my head watching this video "around and around and around and around we go..."
Dude put in the God Mode code... Man, what a crazy fight. Still, good job for what you managed to do.
When you realize you're not the main character in life, _he is_ .
"the mirage is totally realistic"
-RAZBAM
The damage models in DCS are very uneven, quite a few aircrafts in DCS have issues with it, particularly when it is gun/canon damage, hopefully it will be worked on.
@@SFDPSFDP Definately in the works, DM has been reworked for WWII already and still received refinement - after which ED will rework it on their modern planes and hopefully the 3rd parties will stay in formation with them...
@@SFDPSFDP The damage model in dcs is really quite good, especially in ww2 modules, where its the best available. Razbam has been saying for YEARS that they will eventually update the shitty damage model for the mirage, but they havent last time I checked. This is not dcs's fault, its razbam working on 10 different fucking aircraft with one programmer...
He took the hits in a non critical area. Maybe he'll teach you when he gets home lol.
He's probably felled every last ace like GS.
@@youramazingvulptexwife4180
GS≪There are pilots like you in every generation≫
GS≪And I DISRESPECTED every last one of them≫
You had to rely on trickery. Thing is, so was he!
Plot twist, that wasn't a Mirage it was the new A10. It just looks like a Mirage.
Or the F5 was loaded with mime ammo.
After seeing this fight I genuinely would be convinced that this was indeed a reskinned A-10 and not a mirage
That French crew chief is _not_ gonna be happy once that baguette makes it home...
GS dogfighting Harry Potter Death Eaters now😂
THAT DUDE WAS CHEATING!!! Must have figured out how to put his aircraft into God mode.
That mirage be using armored baguette armor
WHAT THE, MADVULPEN WATCHING GS?!?!?
"Oh my God. I just got robbed." I'm dying.
A 20mm projectile weighs 100g. A 30mm round weighs 275g.
they built the mirage like the old IL-2's flying tank :D
This was basically the black knight from Monty python. Except he picked up the sword with his mouth and stabbed King Arthur as he was walking away
This calls, screams, growls for a rematch!
It´s not a Mirage, but a Miracle!
Did you use the right amo belts in the F-5E? Happend to me few times
This is totally like warthunder in most ammo belts.. you hit the other guys 100 times and they keep flying intact like nothing.. they fire randomly in your direction once and the first bullet will end you
Who was flying that Mirage, John Wick? Next fight A-10 vs. Mirage, no guns. Just smash into each other until one falls out of the sky. Seriously though, who the hell was flying that Mirage???
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I think your 20mm was replaced by 7.7mm
10:06 The US clearly shouldn't have gone 20mm when developing something out of the MG/MK 213 unlike all the other parties that did the same... laughs in DEFA :D
The f-5 for me was the plane you never heard of but is one of THE “planes”
Another case of DCS damage stats pulled out of a magic 8-ball...
I suspect shenanigans. That Mirage should have been down multiple times in this fight.
We should review the flight recorder to see if the mirage's nose at any point suggested the following joystick input:
Up up down down left right left right a b.
Epic fight with that monster from Lost.
That wasEPIC! And you were the moral victor. Awesome Flying in that F5!
7:50 Jeez, what'd you do to that guy? Spit in his breakfast-wine?
There's more than one reason she was known as the Miracle in RAAF service!
Bro, this is warthunders status, shot the guy a thousand times, you even so much get sneezed at once, and you're the one that dies.
You got straight-up robbed. And that end view of the Mirage, looking like it's impersonating swiss cheese...lol....holes EVERYWHERE!
You didn’t hit the magical baguette that powers all French aircraft. That’s why it kept flying.
I want to see this from the Mirage cockpit. All the lights flashing, computer screening and so on. Or was it just like... o dear we got hit?
Nothing like watching a whole video with dread with every mirage turn
Sometimes, the flying gods must really hate you.
there's 10mm in difference between your browning colts, and that DEFA pom pom gun XD
Was at an air show and there was a Mirage 2000C vs F-16C dogfight (HAF)
Damn dude. That was a highway robbery right there. Well fought either way.
Sigma Mirage vs Beta F-5
Start packing an emergency IR missile for just such events. This is twice now, along with the more recent Viggen engagement.
Those 30mm cannons on the Mirage will ruin your whole day.
“Whats up with this mirage man? Is he armored or something.” ~ some random middle eastern f5 fighting an isreali mirage
Hmm, what ever that Mirage is made out of I could use on my car. You did got robbed, were you shooting paint balls? Super fun, cheers.
You can hear the Mirage going "Hon Hon Hon" xD
That Mirage identified as an A-10.
Am I the only one looking at specs of dirt on my phone going
"Oh there he is"
"Wait THERE HE IS"
Nope.
Nooope.
Then sees rounds.
man his plane was all stitched up too!
You get in another jet sir and you ram your face into that Mirage!
30mm vs 20mm shells. 1 is enough on the 30mm to damage or destroy a plane. You need more than 2 on the 20mm for the same effect