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I think another major factor the Mig-29 had against it was, the west was able to train specifically against it when the Germans used it as aggressors in the Red Flag exercises (It caught everyone by surprise the first time it was used) until 2002 (sold to Poland in 2003). NATO pilots were specifically trained on its strengths and weaknesses and knew what they had to do. Add the fact that most Mig-29 pilots in other countries don't have the flight hours the west had and it was a recipe for disaster.
Poland did guns only dogfights in their Mig-29 against the USAF F-35A at red flag and got mopped by F-35s "sticking to his ass like hot glue" according to a F-35 pilot
Based on the comments from some western Fighter Pilots when doing exercises against Indian Mig-29 Pilots the Mig is formidable but also the Indians are typically much better trained than a lot of the other countries that operate the mig-29
I heard the Indian MiG-21s are also pretty nasty. Allegedly they have some very interesting aftermarket electronics installed. Alas, there's nothing you can do to make an airframe newer, and theirs are showing strong signs of being worn out.
@@christopherreed4723 yes even though a lot of stuff has been upgraded and they're made more leathal but they still are seen as nothing less than flying coffins
MiG 29 is such an impressive plane. Got chance to be passenger once. I won max altitude fly, couple years ago in Poland [over 17km above ground]. An unforggotten adventure
Yes, MiG's have one of the main features, and that is the height ceiling. For their time, they were inaccessible to any other aircraft or air-to-air missiles. The tradition continues, the MiG-31 has the highest ceiling among aircraft, the pilot even wears a spacesuit like an astronaut. The MiG-41 is generally planned with a hybrid engine, because there is almost no air where it plans to go, and conventional engines will not work. That's why I think the MiG-31 is so similar to the X-Wing🤣
@@craigj5384 Surpassed with what very quickly? till early 2000s west didn't have HMD...also Russians made M version of 29s with PESA radar in it and lot of improvments....so tell me with what it was surpessed in 80s early 90s?
@@galicije83 hms isn’t a magic fight winning tech, the F15 was much more advanced and that was shown when those two aircraft went head to head in the early 90’s and the F15 came out on top, twice.
It is SO fun to predict when a Pilots is going for guns, "yes - roll,no...rudder...push... almost - ...GUNS?" BLAM! Appreciate the skin changes between fights. The 3-colored Mig skin was my favorite this time. Beautiful machines, all of them. Topnotch Graphics
I agree the Mig 29 simply hasn't been used by capable enough air forces in actual combat. I wonder if it's not a similar case to the T-72, which acquired a bad reputation for its export versions in hands of incompetent armies, but which has more recently demonstrated a fair degree of performance when in more capable hands.
Great flying GS and Golf! Regarding the Archer, it depends on wich version you are using. The latest ones should also do the fancy loops that other modern HOBS missiles can do.
lol when you said the F-18 driver had AIM-9X's I thought, "GS is gonna be seeing a lot of silk this video." And when that -9X looped around to nail you in round 1, I was all 🤦♂. But that didn't happen in the following rounds. You got nailed in round 3 but that was a straight up shot by the F-18 driver. Then I got to see the Archer in round 5. Whoa, I've never seen a missile lock and go active that fast! Awesome. And just in case you missed my last post, it would be very cool to have an Il-2M merge with a Bf 109G-6. Shturmoviks are more maneuverable then they seem and two VYa-23 cannons in the wings are all you need for a fatal snapshot. Try it! You'll like it!
11:24 thats totally accurate, for example in desert storm, no hate to the f15 but they all went against mig29s that were aremed with just r60's + all of the export mig 29s have the old radars that had their spec data sold to the US by soviets working in the program.
Actually no. USSR can't make enough good radars, so they only install it in is own planes. Plus engines in export Mig-29 was with reduced power so it can last longer.
The MiG-29/R73 combo was powerful back when it was new. It's pretty obsolete now. But yeah, you don't fight the airplane, you fight the man in it, and the countries who bought MiG-29s forgot that they needed to train people to fly and maintain them, too.
@@DrBF3000 "If I went out and fought an F/A-18 on day one I’d get destroyed," said Flatley. "But if you do what the jet is really good at, you can do things those other jets wouldn’t dream of." This is a quote from Marine Corps Maj. Dan Flatley. Personally I disagree with you. I once had a conversation with a pilot about the F-35A's maneuverability. He said that it flys like or better than a Hornet.
I had the Mig 29 companion with Falcon 4.0 back in the day and I enjoyed flying it just as much as the F16. I'm sure the flight model is much better in DCS, looking forward hopping back in and see what I've been missing.
Apparently the indian pilots kicked a lot of ass in BFM with the Mig 29. For instance an experienced Mirage 2000 pilot said that vs a Mig 29 you had one turn to kill it or else you were dead.
Give (simulated) military tech to civilians, and people will start to get creative. We aren't bound by protocols, professionalism or the consequences of our actions.
Golf was starting his lead turn super early at the merge. Thought it would help him more, but it doesn't seem to have given him the advantage I thought it would.
FINALLY someone realizes the MiG 29 is *N O T* a shitbox. It's a nice plane, and it can win against many planes, it has good manueverability, but the ONLY and I mean ONLY thing it lacks in is the radar. That is the only thing I would improve.
The MiG29 is finnicky and very difficult to fully master, that's why it's underrated. The aircraft itself is more than capable, but your average pilot is far from able to utilize any of it.
I 100% agree with you. The Mig-29 was the best aircraft these nations could get and it was fairly cheap. It has obvious disadvantages, but In the the right hands with proper training it's a beast.
Hey GS you might wanna consider a mod for Mig-35 (thrust vectoring/modernised Mig 29) for DCS , might be VERY interesting to see its performance against other aircraft...
The Royal Malaysian Air Force operates both the MiG-29 and the F/A-18 Hornet. According to the former Fulcrum pilots, during their glory days, the only aircraft they consider their equal was their colleagues flying the Hornets. Allegedly, not even foreign jets during bilateral exercises could keep up with them. Only the Hornets could give them a run for their money. This of course was during the 90s and early 00s
Great video love the mig29! You need to bind the vertical scan mode sometimes instead of using the HMD, you could have killed him many times just because you didn't lock him even if he was easily lockable and in front of you. I've hit 90°+ shots on planes flying at mach jesus past me and the vertical scan+r73 takes them out faster than I can even look at them
Plus, export variants have several tiers of worse characteristics depending on how closer in ideology to Soviet Union the recipient country was. Soviet union > Warshaw Pact > Rest of World
Hi GS, thank you for another great video. Having seen a lot of cannon/fox two/fox three fights, I'm wondering if you can do a fox one/semi-active radar homing missile fights? Like a F-15 and a Su-27 carrying sparrows and R27s. I imagine that would be quite different from today's air battles. Thanks!
I think the another bad rep factor is the BVR fight itself, which is still most common type of confrontation between fighter aircrafts. Probably I'm unpunctual, but at the Mig-29 service time period, the US missiles perform better (eg Phoenix "superiority" that time) and when the Russian missiles catch this gap up, the Flankers became the dominant platform.
Fulcrum's reputation was absolutely tanked by being exported so much, you see it happen to all sorts of vehicles that ended up in Iran's hands, they just shredded their stats down to dust. America is a lot more picky with who we give out our planes to, and we tend to make sure they're treated well. The MiG-29 is Russian too and the world loves crapping on Russian and Chinese technology. The flankers still have a good reputation because they aren't exported as haphazardly to anyone. A long time ago, American F-16A pilots struggled against the German MiG-29s during training at first, especially because the early F-16s lacked the HMD that the MiG-29s came with, once they got used to that and got used to the MiG-29 they ended up considering it a fairly balanced fight but scarier than what they were used to at the time.
3D allows you to turn in all angles and overall pull harder, 2D makes your plane much more stable during a fight than differential thrust, it makes massive difference in actual dogfight
First of all many thanks for your amazing channel which is a goldmine of information for rookies like me. Would there be any chance if you think that it is appropriate for you to make available the Tacview files of these fights? I sometimes (often) get disorientated by the fast pace action.
By the way the East Germans held the standard for aggressor squadrons, the MiG-29 seems much more capable in East German than say Iraqi hands. The HOBS missile and designator was quite the surprise for Hornet and Viper pilots getting to go against it after the fall of the S.U.
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Could you do a battle of the boats? F15e vs F4e?
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The MiG 29 is one of my favorite aircraft, purely because of how beautiful it's airframe is
Idk man, SU27 looks better
@@PvtPartzz su30 looks even better
it's such an underrated beauty, i love it so much
@@PvtPartzzthe two of them however are the most beautiful birds of prey :)
@@PvtPartzz who said we have to choose?
Where is my 747 vs A380 dogfight. I'm STILL waiting.
Full broadsides
Seguirás esperando
No sabía q el misil podía girar dar la vuelta y perseguir ah ok. Ah ok
@@danielschneider8101Fox-4, melee attack
@@danielschneider8101 Age of Sail cannons pointed out the windows.
I think another major factor the Mig-29 had against it was, the west was able to train specifically against it when the Germans used it as aggressors in the Red Flag exercises (It caught everyone by surprise the first time it was used) until 2002 (sold to Poland in 2003). NATO pilots were specifically trained on its strengths and weaknesses and knew what they had to do. Add the fact that most Mig-29 pilots in other countries don't have the flight hours the west had and it was a recipe for disaster.
Poland did guns only dogfights in their Mig-29 against the USAF F-35A at red flag and got mopped by F-35s "sticking to his ass like hot glue" according to a F-35 pilot
Based on the comments from some western Fighter Pilots when doing exercises against Indian Mig-29 Pilots the Mig is formidable but also the Indians are typically much better trained than a lot of the other countries that operate the mig-29
First time seeing someone appreciate the skill of indian pilots
I heard the Indian MiG-21s are also pretty nasty. Allegedly they have some very interesting aftermarket electronics installed. Alas, there's nothing you can do to make an airframe newer, and theirs are showing strong signs of being worn out.
@@christopherreed4723 yes even though a lot of stuff has been upgraded and they're made more leathal but they still are seen as nothing less than flying coffins
"Left Engine Fire" = Unintended differential thrust.
MiG 29 is such an impressive plane. Got chance to be passenger once. I won max altitude fly, couple years ago in Poland [over 17km above ground]. An unforggotten adventure
Yes, MiG's have one of the main features, and that is the height ceiling. For their time, they were inaccessible to any other aircraft or air-to-air missiles. The tradition continues, the MiG-31 has the highest ceiling among aircraft, the pilot even wears a spacesuit like an astronaut. The MiG-41 is generally planned with a hybrid engine, because there is almost no air where it plans to go, and conventional engines will not work. That's why I think the MiG-31 is so similar to the X-Wing🤣
I'm Polish and we've had Mig-29's for a long time. I never considered it a good aircraft. Thanks for changing my mind, I stand corrected and happy.
We don't know how well DCS models it. So the only valid conclusion is "In DCS it's a good air plane".
@@andersjjensenit was pretty advanced for a frontline fighter when first produced but it was very quickly surpassed
If you still not happy with the Mig29, you always go back to your PZL 11’s.
@@craigj5384 Surpassed with what very quickly? till early 2000s west didn't have HMD...also Russians made M version of 29s with PESA radar in it and lot of improvments....so tell me with what it was surpessed in 80s early 90s?
@@galicije83 hms isn’t a magic fight winning tech, the F15 was much more advanced and that was shown when those two aircraft went head to head in the early 90’s and the F15 came out on top, twice.
It is SO fun to predict when a Pilots is going for guns,
"yes - roll,no...rudder...push... almost - ...GUNS?" BLAM!
Appreciate the skin changes between fights. The 3-colored Mig skin was my favorite this time.
Beautiful machines, all of them. Topnotch Graphics
I agree the Mig 29 simply hasn't been used by capable enough air forces in actual combat. I wonder if it's not a similar case to the T-72, which acquired a bad reputation for its export versions in hands of incompetent armies, but which has more recently demonstrated a fair degree of performance when in more capable hands.
Great flying GS and Golf!
Regarding the Archer, it depends on wich version you are using. The latest ones should also do the fancy loops that other modern HOBS missiles can do.
lol when you said the F-18 driver had AIM-9X's I thought, "GS is gonna be seeing a lot of silk this video." And when that -9X looped around to nail you in round 1, I was all 🤦♂. But that didn't happen in the following rounds. You got nailed in round 3 but that was a straight up shot by the F-18 driver. Then I got to see the Archer in round 5. Whoa, I've never seen a missile lock and go active that fast! Awesome.
And just in case you missed my last post, it would be very cool to have an Il-2M merge with a Bf 109G-6. Shturmoviks are more maneuverable then they seem and two VYa-23 cannons in the wings are all you need for a fatal snapshot. Try it! You'll like it!
11:24 thats totally accurate, for example in desert storm, no hate to the f15 but they all went against mig29s that were aremed with just r60's + all of the export mig 29s have the old radars that had their spec data sold to the US by soviets working in the program.
Actually no. USSR can't make enough good radars, so they only install it in is own planes. Plus engines in export Mig-29 was with reduced power so it can last longer.
@@DrBF3000 And that is still true in Russian terms today.
Always great coming back from school and watching this goat
Really enjoyed those high aspect, slow fights. Some of the most interesting fights I've seen. 👍
Talk about "knife fight in a phone booth" 😂
The MiG-29/R73 combo was powerful back when it was new. It's pretty obsolete now. But yeah, you don't fight the airplane, you fight the man in it, and the countries who bought MiG-29s forgot that they needed to train people to fly and maintain them, too.
F/A-18E/F vs F-35C (Fox-2 fight) would be epic to see! Navy vs Navy : Old vs New
Day 127
I want too see that too
In bvr fight fat Amy wins, but dogfight never was its good side. Actually any 4th gen will beat f-35 in a dogfight.
@@DrBF3000 "If I went out and fought an F/A-18 on day one I’d get destroyed," said Flatley. "But if you do what the jet is really good at, you can do things those other jets wouldn’t dream of." This is a quote from Marine Corps Maj. Dan Flatley.
Personally I disagree with you. I once had a conversation with a pilot about the F-35A's maneuverability. He said that it flys like or better than a Hornet.
As always, everywhere, it mostly depends on 1 pilot skill/experience 2 equipment tolerances/features and 3 tactics/training. period.
That last one just a couple of car lengths. If he'd hit the brakes you might have rear-ended him. 😂
I had the Mig 29 companion with Falcon 4.0 back in the day and I enjoyed flying it just as much as the F16. I'm sure the flight model is much better in DCS, looking forward hopping back in and see what I've been missing.
That first missile was hungry and angry! 😂
And it knew GS had a Snickers in his pocket.
Thanks for the red circles - YT compression makes following things a pain.
Here we go with Fox 2 crazy loops 😂😂😂😂
Apparently the indian pilots kicked a lot of ass in BFM with the Mig 29. For instance an experienced Mirage 2000 pilot said that vs a Mig 29 you had one turn to kill it or else you were dead.
GS: will it come back round
9x: yes I will
Where is my b52 vs tu-95 dogfight? I'm STILL waiting.
Lol this gonna be fun..
That last archer did a small s-turn right off the rail and headed straight for the hornet.
i dont know why but in my opinion is the MIG 29 the most beautiful aircraft and i like it how it flies how it works just everything
Great show of skill by you both. I Love the semantic setup...it guarantee's a fabulous video for viewing. Thumbs up to yall! 😊
Lets also remember that differential thrust wasn’t ever used by mig-29 pilots
Then why did they go though the trouble of implementing it in the first place?
@@andersjjensenany multi-engine aircraft is going to have multiple throttle controls.
Give (simulated) military tech to civilians, and people will start to get creative. We aren't bound by protocols, professionalism or the consequences of our actions.
@@the_algo_rhythm Actually, the F-14 has a system which prevents the engines throttling separately unless disengaged due to the danger of flat spins.
@@sheeplord4976 "aktually"
As if there wasn't a system to disable that particular feature.
Golf was starting his lead turn super early at the merge. Thought it would help him more, but it doesn't seem to have given him the advantage I thought it would.
FINALLY someone realizes the MiG 29 is *N O T* a shitbox. It's a nice plane, and it can win against many planes, it has good manueverability, but the ONLY and I mean ONLY thing it lacks in is the radar. That is the only thing I would improve.
Fuel capacity?
The disappointment in the “Great.” was hilarious LMFAO
The MiG29 is finnicky and very difficult to fully master, that's why it's underrated.
The aircraft itself is more than capable, but your average pilot is far from able to utilize any of it.
I 100% agree with you. The Mig-29 was the best aircraft these nations could get and it was fairly cheap. It has obvious disadvantages, but In the the right hands with proper training it's a beast.
The front liners: Apache vs Frogfoot!
So a jet vs a helicopter
The helicopter would win everytime cause it can turn around and fire a missile
@@Harry-wx3nf Unless if the jet is capable of shooting Fox 3s or long range Fox 2s
@@sooryan_1018 its a frogfoot it can only carry short range fox 2s
@@Harry-wx3nf I was talking about jets overall, not just limited to the Frogfoot
Also fun fact to note: Su-39 could fire R-77s...
8:11 thats shit made me flinch HARD man, I saw that missile and instinctively ducked, damn
It will be really interesting to see these fights when the full fidelity fulcrum comes out
probably the same, the fc3 planes have full fidelity flight models.
Yes, the ergonomics are going to be something to manage though
yeah the upcoming mig29 model has same flight model, just that the cockpit is full fidelity
this one was a joy to watch. awesome as always keep up the good content
Hey GS you might wanna consider a mod for Mig-35 (thrust vectoring/modernised Mig 29) for DCS , might be VERY interesting to see its performance against other aircraft...
I would love to see a detailed debrief. Great editing btw
Aermacchi mb-339 VS L-39 Albatross
Out here drifting the MIG-29
Eurobeat Intensifies
still waiting for a Su-35 vs F-22 but with Toxic flying the Su-35.
Still waiting for the Antonov 225 versus the Boeing 747 this is day number 3,964😅
Bruh 😭
@@NOTAnother_Kyle exactly what I’ve need saying
Why not the C-5 instead of the 747?
An 225 carries that one bruh
what? we do that on FLIGHT SIMULATOR?
Love the Mari livery in round 5. Those guys were badass.
That suka blyaat was hella funn 🤣🤣🤣🤣
F14B AIM-152
😸VS🐝
F18. AIM174
Can you do some old WWII piston engine engagements? You haven't demoed those platforms in a very long long time.
That f-18 pilot is really good, i thought you were not able to defeat him XD
The Royal Malaysian Air Force operates both the MiG-29 and the F/A-18 Hornet. According to the former Fulcrum pilots, during their glory days, the only aircraft they consider their equal was their colleagues flying the Hornets. Allegedly, not even foreign jets during bilateral exercises could keep up with them. Only the Hornets could give them a run for their money. This of course was during the 90s and early 00s
Did you notice the Hornet was kinda floating down toward the ground as it was falling tail-first, and still under thrust? Right at 5:37 😂
That slow mo "Suka blyat!" killed me 😂
Love the music at 8:40
Hey,Great vids my friend!!!! Who knew watching these vids would be so interesting!!!!!
This time his parachute worked unlike the last time he did this fight
Yes to an Eagle fight! Been a while since i have seen you flying a c model
Great video love the mig29!
You need to bind the vertical scan mode sometimes instead of using the HMD, you could have killed him many times just because you didn't lock him even if he was easily lockable and in front of you.
I've hit 90°+ shots on planes flying at mach jesus past me and the vertical scan+r73 takes them out faster than I can even look at them
Love the hornet. Ready for some more F18 missions!
very enjoyable fight !
Plus, export variants have several tiers of worse characteristics depending on how closer in ideology to Soviet Union the recipient country was. Soviet union > Warshaw Pact > Rest of World
Hi GS, thank you for another great video. Having seen a lot of cannon/fox two/fox three fights, I'm wondering if you can do a fox one/semi-active radar homing missile fights? Like a F-15 and a Su-27 carrying sparrows and R27s. I imagine that would be quite different from today's air battles. Thanks!
I think the another bad rep factor is the BVR fight itself, which is still most common type of confrontation between fighter aircrafts. Probably I'm unpunctual, but at the Mig-29 service time period, the US missiles perform better (eg Phoenix "superiority" that time) and when the Russian missiles catch this gap up, the Flankers became the dominant platform.
Just wanted to say, I love the content! Keep it coming!
GS, you should be a contracting fighter pilot instructor!
Sidewinder induced cobra. Nice!!! 😂
Beautiful fighte by you GS after F14 I believe MIG 29 is very good looking fighter. Thanks again ❤❤❤
Fulcrum's reputation was absolutely tanked by being exported so much, you see it happen to all sorts of vehicles that ended up in Iran's hands, they just shredded their stats down to dust. America is a lot more picky with who we give out our planes to, and we tend to make sure they're treated well. The MiG-29 is Russian too and the world loves crapping on Russian and Chinese technology. The flankers still have a good reputation because they aren't exported as haphazardly to anyone.
A long time ago, American F-16A pilots struggled against the German MiG-29s during training at first, especially because the early F-16s lacked the HMD that the MiG-29s came with, once they got used to that and got used to the MiG-29 they ended up considering it a fairly balanced fight but scarier than what they were used to at the time.
That first 9-X had a job to do, and he wasn’t going to fail at it
The Hornet is a beauty!
I’ve always considered the Mig-29 a little more analogous to the F-16 in T/W ratio and size but also similar to FA-18C for sure.
That 12:20 mark, did I see the pilot eject from the F-18 and immediately catch fire?
At first I thouhgt it was _your_ own Fox-2 coming back at you 😁
How about a camera showing the work on the thrust levers?
@2:29 am I hearing what I think I'm hearing?
Yes 😂
The 29 was a great plane when new, but it has not been updated much since the 90s. It is no match to today's Gen 4.5 and gen 5 fighters.
Are the behaviours of the Archer (close fusing) and X (re-engaging) based on real data or DCS artefacts?
Up next thrust vectoring missiles
Interesting weapon, the Archer... makes the minimum WEZ almost non-existent
Underrated or not, its a damn sexy airplane 0:59
Does 3D vectoring make much different compare to 2D vectoring, and 2D vectoring compared to just having differential thrust?
3D allows you to turn in all angles and overall pull harder, 2D makes your plane much more stable during a fight than differential thrust, it makes massive difference in actual dogfight
The AA archer did try to come back around but didn't quite make it - 2:07
2:26 CYKA BLYAT 🗣🔥🔥
Do the same comparison, but reverse the roles. I'd be curious how you'd do in the F-18...
First of all many thanks for your amazing channel which is a goldmine of information for rookies like me. Would there be any chance if you think that it is appropriate for you to make available the Tacview files of these fights? I sometimes (often) get disorientated by the fast pace action.
The 2nd kill was the best
F18 vs Eurofighter guns only!
Hey GS. Many of us are wondering what's it like to pilot the YF23 in DCS. Can you fly it for us and show what the cockpit view looks like?
No he cant, there is no accurate YF-23 for dcs
The mig35 with thrust vectoring would make it more interesting imo.
When is the official mig 29 module coming out?
Fighting the same or different but very similar aircraft would go a long way to developing pilot skill.
Would be curious if a 3v1 is possible - 3 guns only VS a HoBS fighter with 2 missiles
Situational awareness is important M'kay😂
pretty impressing ur skill ..it has increased with the years hehe
Would like to see Indian Su 30 MKI vs J11
In a guns only fight, can the Fulcrum out rate a Hornet in a 2 circle fight?
the DCS f18 outrates everything, even the f16.
MIG 29 VIDEO LETS GOOOOO.
Besides that I have a question, is there any MIG 29 variants that can carry the r37ms
Hey GS!
How are you getting the depth of field effect in DCS? I can’t get my reshade to show cinematic DOF anymore.
Any suggestions
By the way the East Germans held the standard for aggressor squadrons, the MiG-29 seems much more capable in East German than say Iraqi hands.
The HOBS missile and designator was quite the surprise for Hornet and Viper pilots getting to go against it after the fall of the S.U.
Round 2 was a double pits to Chesty