This is WAR - KTM 300 XC-W vs TM EN 300 ES 2T Dirt Bike
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Switching between my friend's stock 22 KTM XC vs my 23' TM300 I will take the TM every day, more power, better suspension, the way it handles I am much more confident on the TM. Only edge I would give to the KTM is it's so soft so if you're going extremely slow it takes the bumps a lot better and also seat height is lower which is nice for short guys like myself. KTM has a great bike not hating but glad I went with the TM. At the end of the day it's hard to go wrong with either. Nice review Kyle it's good to see the lesser known bikes getting some attention.
Tm has mx transmission lighter crank. In europe gp guys put mx crank in xcw so you get the mx enginge
Much better a Tm for classic enduro (enduro GP) going fast !!! 💪🏻💪🏻🔥
You like to go slow and to do hard enduro ….ktm
How much more is the tm though? I usually upgrade my bikes a lot. Does anyone sell a frameset with motor , that's what I would want so I can customize and save money not paying for the stock suspension .
I love my TM 250 EN, i prefer it over the 300. We just posted our first video!
Why? What the 250 has that makes you choose it over the 300?
TM is a genuine ready to race machine. The KTM is a trail bike unless you make mods to the bike. Orange is also getting a bit boring now. TM wins for me but I’d have a 250 as they are more fun/playful.
I'll take the tm because it's not orange
TM for the KYB suspension, head and shoulders above.
I thought to myself while watching this review. "How do the Japanese even make money selling dirtbikes?" The Euro bikes are so much more innovative and push/explore dirtbike design. It is a fantastic time to be riding, with so many available choices. The European bikes really get me excited about the future of the sport! I really don't think I'll ever consider a Japanese bike before I'm too old to ride anymore!
Fit and finish on ktms is so much more thought out the jap bikes, I agree with you.
This is the dumbest comment I have read on the internet today.
More innovative? You mean like the Yamaha power tuner app that has been out for 3 years now?? How about the reverse cylinder intake/exhaust design that no one else does?
KTM's are great. I have owned them. They are doing things that no one else is doing..... but so is Yamaha. Your statement is short sighted.
@davidwisok7830 I'm glad you like Yamaha tech. It probably won't change for the next decade. Now that's not short sighted.
@@motoxposse Who buys a dirt bike based on fit and finish? It's going to get beat on from the moment I jump on one, and all those scrapes and scratches are just badges of honor.
TM always wanted one.
I have this tm and it doesn’t disappoint
The smr 300 is insane looking i had a gas gas sm factory 250 two stroke ohlins and brembo it was the best bike ive owned by far ive had gsxr 750 duc 916 ,rd 350 aprilia rs 250 and 125 on 250 aprilia atm but i miss that gas gas it was like a bmx handling was incredible 300cc jug on it was a weapon the smr looks briliant fun
I got the 23 tm 300 en es carby and in my opinion and experience I would still take the tm
I went with the efi and damn it’s crisp
Look into the super torque stick mod
@@benmartin6476 after a quick carby rejet and changed the needle out with a Suzuki needle the torque of the carb is super the boys I ride with all had tpi bikes now they are all back on carby
I can tell you have landed on your head a few times. Most of us have. TM does make a bike with pink plastic. Pink Panther sounds better than Pumpkin Patches.
My wallet says a YZ250 wins. But that TM looks awesome!
Yz250 is far better in build quality, if someone can't see that they know nothing.
TM it is a bike for rider that can keep it open, many fast riders in Europe are getting them. I know few lads here, one of them are absolutely rocket, no one get get thim for long time now. Even small en 144 kick ass on te150 or xcw 150. You dont need more aftermarket parts, why?. cuz this bikes from the box are well done. Cant wait to get my son en 144... big change from husqy tho.
Plenty of good after market parts for TM but not nearly as many options if you are obsessed with adding everything under the sun to your dirt bike. Also, getting OEM parts were not expensive compared to other brands and even less expensive sometimes. Nothing takes more than a couple days and local dealers are pretty well stocked at least here in AZ.
When searching for a new bike mid last year, the TM ticked way more box's for me, than the 6days, and to set the ktm up with the bits already on the TM that I wanted, the ktm would have been 2k aud more expensive
The biggest problem is the dealer experience. I love my new 2023 Beta 300RR up here in North Eastern Ontario and there are two dealers within an hour and a half of me but the eastern Canadian distributor is brutal. The TM for its exclusivity the KTM for…well…it’s a KTM.
As a TM lover I agree with you on the white, I hate white plastics they get dirty and look like shit way to fast, but the tm still looks way better and the overall plastics shape is nicer
Get shout laundry soap, it clean the white plastic good
@@enduroxr600 na white plastics just look bad the old sky blue looked way better
Be cool to hear the 24tbi Xcw review against both of these!
Kyle, just an idea, i bet if you did a dual sport review/giveaway it would be huge.. just saying and thanks for the reviews..
Good honest review. I thought the headlight on the TM was weird, even before you mentioned it. I can see how you prefer the KTM, it does have the edge in a few areas. I will have to stick to my older Husqvarna 310 for now. Nice bikes both of them.
I have 3 KTMs and have replaced the kick stand spring assembly on each at least 2 times. I bought 12 of each component using my DBC link. The last time one let go I was cleaning the air filter in my garage I move the kick stand and the whole assembly flew by my head at super sonic speed. Yikes!
I think this is the hardest choice of all the bike giveaways. Everybody has an orange bike, but the parts availability is superior. The TM would be a one-of-a-kind in my neck of the woods. I know I've never seen one in person. It'd be very cool to own one and to have the backstory of how one got to own it. I look forward to add another bike next to my '17 YZ 250X.
2024 KTM 300 XC 👍
Hey Kyle, super curious about your thoughts on the 2024 XC-W when you get it. I'm in the market for my first 300 2 stroke and am trying to decide whether to go with the 23 model for a better deal or wait a few months for the 2024 model and also pay more. Cheers!
I own a TM EN 300 2016 with a carburetor, it was well used but very cheap, used TM's go for a good price.
The best aftermarket mod i did was the JD Jetting Kit for my Carb, 3 new needles/3 new idle jet/ 3 new main jet/manual which parts for which altitude and temperatur. Must have.
Also check the Reed valves, when the carb is not in the right spot it might damaged the Carbon Reed valves, was the case on my bike, since then it works amazing. >:D
Absolut powerhouse, but a diva, everything needs to be on point to work right, electrical issues are a problem too, sometimes the bike just decides to not start, typical italian beauty, would not recommend to buy a TM when i'm honest, also factory parts are hard to get sometimes or are sold out, like what should i do now? ^^
I'm really wondering why Murica don't produce a good Dirtbike, you could do it, Ressources and knowledge is there, why is there none?
Or i don't know about it, would love to hear there is one. :)
Buell did some cool bikes for example.
Great video and good points, thx. :)
Both are great bikes, and KTM surely achieved great bikes with top end technology improvements, but my heart goes with TM! I would like to have one of each though... 🤭 Great review! 👍👍👍
I’ll take the Italian tm any day over the orange , red and White mixed grill from Austria.
only TM racing
My friend has a totaly spare no expense tricked out 2022 sherco 300, all the after market goodies. He just started with the forest service this year clearing trails, they provide him with a 2023 ktm 300. He said he would trade his sherco for a stock ktm in a heartbeat.
Hello ,Kyle it's going to be a tough decision for me when I have to decide which bike to choose after winning I think I'm going to go with the KTM.After everything you said just the parts availability and all around the bike seems like it's more available and easier to maintain. And I think it'll be a blast for me. Can't wait,! I'm hoping for the KTM but if I have to go with the second-best so be it. But I'm ready to make that decision when I win can't wait😊😊😊😊😊🎉🎉🎉.
I honestly would not mind getting runner up because I like both😂
Kyle, thanks for keeping this channel going, it has made me want to get back on the dirt trails and "Leave a Single Track" I've got a H-D street cruiser right now and would love to add one of these to my stable to hit the dirt trails once again. (yes, I have entered this amazing contest) If you are reading this before midnight 30June, then why haven't you. :) See y'all on the trails....
Great review as always. Looks like I’m going to be giving your backpack a try now 😅
The headlight on that TM is very ugly, I’d buy one and swap that out for a nicer one right away
I want a hydrogen two stroke motor please talk to the bike companies I won't be fulfilled unless I ride one I don't care what brand please I'm getting old I have no one to turn to help me please I'm counting on you
Beta 300 RR Race is a better bike than both of those. Hands Down!! Prove me Wrong.
The ktm are tbi aswell only early fuel injected models were tpi. Old review. Clean it up.
Where do you buy TM bikes in the USA?
Handful dealers around. Power chicken offroad is a great dealer. Otherwise got get dirty dirt bikes and tbone and earls and many more.
Both bikes look like dream rides for sure!
KTM for an easy sale to then go buy a Sherco.
KTM for an easy sale to then go buy a 2024! 😅
Great overall comparison, fingers crossed that I can be one of the lucky ones. My credit cards have been used and abused trying to get my entries in hopes of winning LOL.
Good luck buddy.. but that thing is coming home with me…😂😂😂
i would have loved to win the 03 yz500 i enter the giveaway for awhile back.(CURRENTLY HAVE A 03 YZ250). but probably to much power for me to do anything with anyways. but ether one of these would make a great trail bike and better suited for my type of riding.
I bought a 23 husqvarna tx300. I was looking at every maker of 300 2 strokes. Beta, TM, sherco, ktm etc.
I went with the Husqvarna due to virtually no vibration, efi, dealer and parts availability and the new tbi motor!! Great motor. 57 hp.
I actually think that your reviews are criminally underrated.
The way you stay so unbiased and take a step back to appreciate all pros & cons of all machines you review is outstanding.
Keep up the top work mate.
PS. There are a lot of West Australian fans that would love to show you the trails over here
Oof that headlight on TM woof!
I wonder what's up with the electronic power valves? Electronic power valves, on like arctic cat mountain sleds, are like 20 years old now, and don't remember any calibration being necessary, plus the battery less efi.
TM is a better quality build , has better components and is a more powerful bike. Doesn't mean it's the better bike to own.
Personal feel preferences, parts availability, aftermarket products, dealership support, etc play a big role in what makes a bike right for you
I have the 300 xcw Erzbergrodeo wouldn’t trade it for anything, awesome trail and hill climbing bike
Thanks a lot for this! Trying to decide on my first enduro bike for "lightweight adventure".
I know KTM makes one of the best bikes. But all the fan boys have ruined them for me. So I would choose the TM. If I was to win one of them I'd be happy either way.
My left radiator on my ktm is completely bent, maybe its because either the age of the bike (2013) or the previous owner slamming it into a rock😂 either way radiator braces are always a good investment imo because if a bike has perfectly straight radiators then it really helps with resale value
For me it was between it was between Beta, Sherco and Beta.... I ended up with the Sherco 300 Se Factory and couldn't be happier. Beta was a close 2nd!
I have been in love with TM's since I was a kid but the KTM would make more sense since I already have a GG 300.
Shipping is charged to dealers separate from the cost of the bikes. Unfortunately those shipping costs have gone up tremendously in the past couple years and there probably aren't as many dealers that can absorb it into the MSRP of the bike anymore. The big, high volume dealers and ones that have been around for decades that have their business already paid for and run lower overheads might be able to. Gotta be tough for small or newer shops though.
Ktm forsure
Please put me in for the drawing for the bikes...please please. I'm on my phone so I can't see any links.
That was an excellent video Kyle I sure would like to win that TM! I have always gravitated to the unusual going back to my Can-am days, lol.
Every ktm owners first order of business when they take the new bike home should be to pull that kickstand screw and Red loctite the shit out of it and re install.
Agree with you on the white plastic. Have had the stupid kickstand bolt issue too on a KTM too, glad they changed it in 24
For me it's like when you are on the trail and riding, maybe the TM wins, but when you consider all the things that go along with owning and maintaining a bike KTM wins out.
I didn't have to pay any of those stupid fees, I was just like no I'm not paying for some stupid fee and so I didn't.
phew , i bought the ktm due to price and availability here in the uk .. the tm is very tempting though ;;
Hey Kyle you should get a Yamaha wr450 or wr250 I wanna here your thoughts on them
Plan on getting a new 23 or 24 xc w when I get back to Florida in September more then ready to rip a ktm
KTM all.day!
There is a ride called the cow tag in a couple weeks, you should go.🤠
I’d be curious of a review on a Rieju MR300. I stopped by a local dealer in Ogden and the six days and pro models look like a pretty nice bikes.
think early 20110 to 2016 when husky and gasgas wernt owned by ktm
Thanks for the video buddy.
See you in the next one.
When will the drawing be?
Probably around the 14th to 17th of July
KTM for me! Hoping to get the call Kyle!
Watching this on Jun 30th at 11:55😂😂
Personally I would take the TM but my buddy would tell me to take the KTM 😂 KTM is probably the more trouble free and easy owning choice but who doesn't love the idea of a sweet Italian bike, it's a tough decision 😎
Get a Beta. It's a sweet Italian bike and is kind of a good middle ground between the TM and KTM!
Troublefree ??!? Ehhh…..
There are so many diff ent brands of dirt bikes out there it's hard to pick the right one to buy
Easy... Sherco!
can you win a bike in Canada?
Fun to ride - TM
When you say “BS freight and other charges,” are the freight charges optional? The local dealers act like they’re charged by KTM, so the charges are non-negotiable. I always suspected that was BS…
Freight fee is very real. That was very ignorant of Kyle to say. That is always charged to the dealer and forwarded to the buyer. Some money is made from PDI and that seems to be a variable in price. 20 plus years selling motorcycles for reference.
@@steadman154 Do you still sell motorcycles? How much of a margin is on these bike? Maybe shipping can be absorbed as part of the mark up?
@@aaronmcelhinney1436 Yes I do sell them. Margin varies between manufacturers but typically 8-15% profit margin if sold at full retail. Absorbing these fees is a quick way to go out of business.
KTM !!!!!!!!!
KTM just wish it had kick start
That's easy to fix!
The TM has ZERO dealer presence in the US…..
They have a handful and most the dealers are very knowledgeable and passionate about the brand. Us importer has lot of parts on hand and cross shop Europe is normal only few days shipping as well.
Dealer 5 min from my house lol. I have a 2022 tx300 husky and rode a tm and I was blown away to say the least.
Ktm all day!!! Literally can’t beat ‘em.
I agree that KTM is just the King of bikes! Great review and explanation of these two bikes Kyle!
Hmm, bet I don't even have to watch to know which one you pick. (watched) Yep, I knew it! As far as white bikes, I've built two now (originally the bikes were one green and the other red/black) and love the super clean look they have. If you take the time to clean them, and use a little Maxima SC1 on them, they'll look great for a long time.
When do you pick the 2 winners?