2023 300cc Two Stroke Off-Road Shootout - Cycle News
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 14 มิ.ย. 2024
- We took the best 300cc off-road two strokes and put them head to head. See which one took top honors!
0:00 - Intro
1:33 - Maxima Highlight
1:49 - Beta 300 RR Race Edition
2:24 - GasGas EC 300
3:00 - Husqvarna TE 300i
3:21 - KTM 300 XC-W
4:03 - Sherco 300 SE
4:45 - Overall Results
6:40 - Top 3 Picks
8:54 - Final Notes
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Carb
All day, every day.
Glad to see the 2 strokes back 😁
Braapp ✌️💨
I bought the GASGAS. It's a blast to ride. Amazing to think not one Japanese brand makes a 300 2t.
Right?! Enjoy the GG
I have the 2021 Beta 300RR and I love it, also since they aren't moving nearly as many bikes as the big brands, it is fully plateable with the addition of blinkers. Having grown up on 2 strokes with several chases on the street under my belt in the late 90s it is truly and awesome feeling ripping past law enforcement on a fully legal 2 stroke
Don’t let em catch ya dawg!
🏍 💨 🚔
Love my 2022 Beta 300rr. Oil injection and I didn’t need to do anything to make it Colorado street legal. I put on a FMF muffler/ spark arrester, Fastway pegs, Kobel link, skid plate, disk gaurds, Seat concepts wide seat, Bark Busters and mounts. Now I have a perfect bike for this 61 year old 5 ft 6 intermediate rider. The carb works perfect from 8k to 13k foot mountains too.
Awesome, great choice.
I thought 2 strokes were not allowed to be made street legal.
i have a 2022 beta 300rr that is plated in Nevada. Feels like I am cheating
Still missing the TM...
Composite subfram is why I'm changing brands completely. Absolutely love the 2022 te300i but the sub frames are 500$ break easy and on back order
My advice is to buy what your riding buddies have, and buy from a manufacturer that has spare parts in your area that are usually available. That way you can all build up a spare parts inventory and share it amongst each other when stuff breaks. What they didnt talk about is seat heights. If you are short the Beta has a lower seat height. They also didnt mention the KTM group suspension is subpar out of the box and will cost money to get it working properly.
Great points.
I'd say buy what you can afford and what you're comfortable with. Do your research and get the right bike for you. KTM suspension has gotten much better over the years, but is still prefer kyb. Most riders will revalve and spring to suit anyhow so I wouldn't give the edge to anyone.
I wont buy what my mates bought as they all got KTM and they all havng problem.
@@johnhewitt1096 same
@@johnhewitt1096 Oh I see. They like to smile.
Yup, I’ll take the beta. My 2016 300 race has never overheated and the engine had tons of power but is very usable. The map switch does clearly help in slick conditions
Solid choice!
Does anyone ever review a woods bike in the woods of the east coast? Not everyone lives in the desert.
Beta outperforming w. sexiness 🤩
One and done with Ktm,now three betas and very happy.
The Beta race edition is by far my choice.
Nice
Same suspension as the Sherco but I agree. Either Beta or GASGAS.
Disclosure that I own a 2022 GasGas EC250. The whole BrakTec vs Brembo being better is something I've sampled (my buddy has a 2022 GasGas EX300 with Brembos. I've raced my bike a lot over the last year, and never felt any fault from BrakTec components. It is a real world non-issue. No fading, good modulation. These brakes aren't inferior to anything.
All great bikes. I like the Beta
Nice choice
It's funny you did your testing in California where every one of those bikes can not be registered to ride off road but you can still purchase them, a stupid law that they have no way of realistically enforcing, as previously mentioned you can't go wrong with any of these bikes they are all amazing right out of the box.
California sucks.
A riding buddy has the TM300, it is one gorgeous machine. Have taken a few quick spins on it, the KYB suspension, particularly the fork, is notably better than my 300 XC.
Great looking bike.
And good luck finding parts that don’t take 6 months to get from the factory…
Nice review. I am loving my 2023 GASGAS EC 300. Taken it to Colorado the past two years and it's an absolute blast
You have the wrong price on the KTM. You have the 6day price. The KTM is cheaper than the Husky. Come on guys.
it s a shame the T M and Rejiu and Fantic not there
I have the 21 GasGas. Which is practically the same as the 23! In my riding group I get to ride the Husky and KTM variants often and had 8 KTM 300's myself. KTM gets a lot of flack for selling 3 different bikes that are basically the same thing. In practice they all feel very different. I chose the GG because the ergonomics fit me best and its the most playful to ride with a perky motor. Complaints on the brakes are valid, they could be better. At the end of the day I bought the one that suited my riding best and was the best fit out the box. My thinking on the less premium bits was I upgrade suspension on every bike I buy and spend money on bike protection regardless. So why not buy the cheapest one? Looks mint too...something about red.
Well said for sure.
why you are testing 3 different color KTM-s. Should have added TM Racing, Fantic or Rieju(real GG)
because these days Ktm has a monopoly on dirt bikes.
@@ogmK4rl Jes, but no need to cement it further, unless paid by KTM
Couldn't get our hands on those brands in time for this test. There will be more to come!
Kinda like saying can’t compare a Cadillac to a Chevrolet because there both own by GM
@@aarynmurphy7174 Not really. The differences are very minor. I wish they would make three different bikes under KTM. They took Husky and Gasgas names, ditched their tech and selling still KTM bikes with very minor mods.
No tm? Sheeeeeesh
Now lets see a TM vs Rieju test. Please and thank you.
On our list!
You forgot the TM
Shame the Rieju was not included. Love that motor and new platform.
Sherco is a photomodel..sick looking bike
300 Tm all day
You didn't mention Beta's 6mo warranty compared to 1 or 2mo for the others. Also looks like y'all avoided the muddy and wet conditions. KTM and Husky have been plagued with exposed sensor issues in these conditions. Very important details, in my book.
Great point with the warranty info!
@Jonny Humphreys KTM give a 30 day warranty, and it's not worth the paper it's written on. having owned one I found dealer help and care to be awful.
I recently visited a bike shop here in Australia where the owner told me a guy brought a Beta in with a broken crank case which is seriously expensive to replace.
he was the 3rd owner of the bike, it was a few years old and it had over 250 hours on it. they enquired with Beta and they sent out a pair of crank cases free of charge under warranty. that's seriously impressive in today's industry
@dan hopkinson that's why I went with the Beta. Local dealer is amazing, and so many stories of them sticking behind their products even after the 6mo are up.
@@jonnyhumphreys9133 that's the difference aye. I had a issue with my tpi that was electrical. my local ktm wouldn't even plug the diagnostics in for me because I didn't buy the bike new from them, even when I had the bike in the van outside the shop. they also played stupid when I mentioned al the sensor faults and common issues, just acted like no one had ever mentioned it before. great support hey!?
A friend of mine also had a 300tpi sieze at 12 hours old, KTM wouldn't even cover it under warranty. after a lot of back and forth between him, the mechanic and KTM all they offered was a small discount on the parts he'd need for a rebuild. still had to pay for them and fork out for the labour.
as much as I liked my KTM they really do let themselves in the dealer department. KTM don't care about their customers
@@danhopkinson2811 I follow Megs Braap. She had the same issues with her new Husky tpi. Sad. Standing behind your product goes a long way!
My gas gas ec 300 is perfect. Could use a lil more power. But I'm happy with it. The brakes are not an issue for me. They work just as good as my 250sx. At the end of the day you can't go wrong with any of these smokers
Carb all the way!!!
Have fun tinkering with it. At least you've got an excuse when you get whipped up on by a 4 stroke.
Where is the gas gas replacement rieju
KTM vs KTM vs KTM vs Beta vs sherco
but thanks to loose manufacturing tolerances they all feel different 🙂
lol
Poor shoot-out. And the Rieju?
I chose the Gasgas EC 300 over the others. It's attributes such as linkage sway arm, spring forks, silver wheels (which most don't like but I do) and it costs less. Came close to the beta 300 but part available worried me. I love the bike, it pulls so well down low but has plenty of high power. Definitely a tractor and you can be quite lazy of a rider or go all out with a few changes to the PV spring. Even the green spring has almost too much power and I find the bike to be way more than I need. Either way it's amazing on trails in stock form, best mods is a lower cut seat, skid plate, hand guards, etc. Really amazing and yes I am somewhat of a new rider but this bike is forgiving compared to older two strokes
Great to hear!
awesome thanks for this test some good info A+
Thanks for the kind words!
Love my 23’ Beta XT 300 ..
me too ngl
All great bikes ! I love my beta 300rr race
Well said!
Would love to see you try the rieju 300 pro. I ride one in the desert and the single tracks of idaho and it's impressive.
So much agreed!!! I own the 22 six-days 300 model, SUPER fast and does everything you want it to do!
Nice, we'll add that to the list.
As usual, no Rieju MR 300 or TM. How can you call it a shoot out when these two machines are left out?
Those are good bikes but i imagine their reason for not including them is due to the fact that neither of those brands are anywhere near as available and have nowhere near the same amount of manafacturer support that these other brands have. Sherco has just started being featured in these kinds of videos.
A Raghu spaghetti sauce what!? Literally the most obscure machines no one has ever heard of. I’m sure India or Africa has some off brands they missed too not that anyone cares except for maybe one…….☝️ you
Unable to get one in time for this test.
Lol dis you pay for this shootout? Why are you complaining about something you aren't entitled to?
Because they’re trash fool 😂
Congrats, Love my Sherco se250 factory, and it fits me so much better than the KTMs I had.
Right on, that's a great bike!
Next year the New Fantic 300 a real game changer👍👍🤝
I had the 2022 te300i
Hated everything about it
I love my wife’s beta
And ordered a TM racing 300en
I'm looking at the Sherco se factory but all are great bikes can't go wrong with any of them.
Exactly
Dang, no TM 300 en? Electronic power valve, TBI, kick starter, map switch, etc.
Awsome test. I'm really surprised at how well those Shercos do in hard enduro.
Us too! Thanks for the view
Great review
Thank you!
TM and Rieju would have been nice in this...
I opted for the Sherco this time around come with quality parts and heaps of fruit from the showroom. The bike is seriously awesome just eats up the gnarly stuff like it's nothing and is super punchy when you open her up. 10 hours now. My favourite colour has definitely changed from Orange to Blue 👌
How about tm en300?
No RIEJU?? HERESY!
And let's be honest: 3 of these bikes are essentially the same girl in different dresses...
Tm ?
Sherco also comes with FMF Gnarly pipe.
Good point
Does maxima have a astroglide equivalent???
Where’s the TM?
I’m a. Beta rider but I agree with you. 100% I think TM is a great bike. I’d consider one, without a doubt.
Thats one sexy GasGas, screamin eagle 3.
My friends and I are pretty split down the middle with Betas and KTMs, we’ve all switched off on each others bikes and you really can’t go wrong with either. We still give each other crap though of course lol
What about TMs???
HEY! You forgot my KLX300R!!! Just kidding, but I actually love that heavy slow pig!
Brotha glad you love that bike but it is nowhere near these bikes lol
@@jordanfreak8514 .....well, it is much more quiet!
@@NotElmerKeith1good way to take that
How dare you talk about Rosie O'Donnell that way!!!
@@harrypeterson9287 ....and yer mom...
Forgot the TM woulda let you borrow mine
Yes, read my comment
We should've called you!
Fun if there was updated versions of kdx,IT, and PE 300s to throw in the mix.
Yeah. We had an old KDX250 way back when. I was only 15 when I rode it.
From what I remember, it had nice a nice lugging bottom end, at the expense of top end(our rm250 was much quicker). Very smooth bike, and low maintenance costs.
The biggest con for me was I got a NASTY head shake a couple times on that bike. Scared the poop out of me.
I also used to ride that bike on a track before I could even touch the ground. It was much easier for me to clear the jumps compared to my yz80.
Of course, it's one of the bikes that I wish was still in the family. Fortunately, I have a 1996 KX250 that I've refreshed. It's an absolute joy to ride.
Sherco 300 se is the best bike I’ve ever ridden. Where I ride in the Rocky Mountains, slow and methodical while maneuvering through rocky single and double track, you just can’t beat the stability and linear power.
That's awesome, it was one of our favorites.
Hard to argue with those results ktm 300xcw for extreme enduro and beta (200re) for fun factor weekend warrior (have both) would love to try a sherco though. Need a 23 350 4t offroad bikes comparison next. 👍🏻
Nice fleet
As usual Betas 6 month warranty never gets mentioned. 1 year warranty for the street legal 4 strokes.
Great note
And, depending on the state, 2 stroke Betas seem to be easier to get a license plate for (possibly due to wording on the certificate of origin). We have 4 of them plated.
Where's the Rieju?
Thats what i was thinking.
Same
And the TM.... they wasn't sent the bikes probably.
I wish my '22 300XC came with the headlight and taillight/plate holder. I've got the aftermarket kit but it's just more work for me
Nice!
So much Braktec hate. MY 22 TE has them and so will my 23 TX. They work just fine. I had a 19 KTM 500 as well so Ive had the Brembo as well. All work great. Braktec is the gold standard in trials and work killer on my 21 TRS Raga Edition. Don't let the Braktec hate sway you.
Good to know that light flywheel should fit the other ktm brands.
What happened to the other two? Rieju and TM ktm, fake gas/gas and husky are almost the same
Really great review here! I like how you shine the light on each of the bike's strengths and things that make it good in its own way! Well done!!!
Thanks Tom, we appreciate the kind words.
Would have been good to have the TM in the mix.
Unable to get our hands on one in time.
@@cyclenews Friend of my has one, strong running bike, clutch pull is harsh though lol.
How many Tm dealers in the states?
Are the weights given at the beginning of the video wet or dry. I have a 2019 KTM 300 XC-w and the dry weight specs say 221 lbs..
Weights are all fully fueled.
As others stated. TM is sold in the states. Where they at Willis?
Beta 300 all day long 😎😎
NICE👍👍
I was gonna ask where’s the TM but looks like everyone already did.
Where is the TM 300 that's the top one on my list and its not here???
‘Old School PDS’ HaHa you have that backwards kids. KTM developed PDS as an evolution to linkage, by replacing the rising rate linkage with a position sensitive shock they were able to save weight, gain ground clearance and simplify the motorcycle.
Correct, it's their way of having no link but technically linkage is newer "tech" than non-linkage (PDS)
@@cyclenews Yes but since The PDS System was an evolution of the linkage system, (Ktm had linkage before PDS) and is vastly different than the actual Old School non linked dual shock setups from the 70’s that you are comparing it to, so calling it old school is misleading at best. Whether or not it was a step forward is be debatable, as it obviously has some disadvantages for closed course racing…
Beta wins.. It’s got the best choices of everything… and a carb and a warranty and looks the best
Well… owning a 23 300 RE and a 2023 300 XC (TBI)… the KTM , aside from the front fork , blows my 300 RR away…
@@user-gf1yg6nj1vto each their own I guess but those bikes are not better than a properly tuned carb I hate the new ktms
Apart from a serious bar, peg vibration I can’t escape on a long enduro day and to me a weird attack riding position at speed, I’ve never took my hand off before mid trail to shake out numbness I’ve especially never took my feet off to shake them about either (300rr)
I could of bought whatever I wanted, and I ended up with the Sherco 300 SE Factory. Tough choice between the Beta 300rr Race, and the Sherco... Both are awesome bikes. KTM isn't even in the running for me.
In riding both of them, I think they are both awesome. But I totally agree that Sherco is the slow technical rock crawler and the Beta is the open country race bike.
great choice.
Elaborate
@@Andy-wo9bm Which comment you are requesting elaboration. Mine, or Michaels?
@@americandirtrider7662 I wanted to hear his reasons why KTM was not even in the running if for different reasons than Warranty like others say.. But for you: how has the Sherco clutch held up, I hear they don’t last at all?
Looks like he dropped the Husky Lol All great bikes. Prefer the carburetor, like the hit. Rather have the KYB suspension too. Great video.
Thanks 👍
It'd be nice if there was more then just 3 different bikes (the other 2 color options don't count), you don't see TM or Rieju very often
Thank you, we couldn't secure either of those bikes in time for this test.
Uhhh, ya gotta go with what ⚡️BB57⚡️ uses!
22 Husky Te300i Rockstar and love it.
🏍💨
Can't go wrong!
Beta 300
KTM was the best bike I ever owned. Ive had CRs KXs RMZ KTM was bar far superior
Nice
Needs a TM included. It's a fine bike with all the good stuff. Even the carb models still work great, if not better in ways...
Thanks, we couldn't secure one in time for this test.
TM makes good stuff
No TM?
Lol unbelievable
Now we can come back to this debate and without a doubt the 2024 KTM 300 XCW TBI and the 250 XCW TBI bikes are the absolute best on the market. The KTM XC 250 and 300 TBI bikes are right there and are the best straight out racing bike on the market. Whether you'd like to admit it or not, the proof is everywhere, period! They sell 100 to 1 bikes compared to all other manufacturers and they still have the least amount of repairs or failures, and consistently win more races hands down. It's hard to be on the top because everyone wants to knock you off.
It is not very hard when you buy out all your competition.
Yeh right highest catastrophic engine failure, shatted pistons
KTM made in India
@@stevemccurley1707 KTM two strokes are not made in India and are more reliable than your momma.
Should've tested YZ250x with these just for fun
Definitely, that and the KTM XC
I just bought a new 2023 Beta 300RR. I’ve had four WR 450’s over the last seven years and still have one. I was looking for something lighter and two stroke. I agonized over buying the YZ 250x for some time as it was thousands of $ cheaper but…no six speed, no starter, no battery, no counterbalancer etc,etc. The Japanese manufacturers are, or should I say, DID, miss out on the HUGE enduro market. Unfortunately it’s - 29 here in Kingston Ontario this February morning making riding season seem very far away at the moment.
And whos best old 300cc 2str ? First bikes 300cc ?
Not a fair test because the 3 ktm bikes are base models and the Sherco and Beta are both race editions. Should have used the base models of Sherco and Beta
I mean it still is, both the sherco and the beta are at the same price level, so technically it is fair.
Funny, they don’t even mention kickstarters. Where I ride- having a battery, kick start or even starter button fail would be a huge hassle with no backup kicker.
Beta TM Rieju are an advantage with kickers right off. All bikes without kickers are behind
@@woodsrider117 Beta do not have a kickstart as standard !!
@@mixalis6168 Yup but it’s still an option. Cant with Sherco and different color KTM’s. Rieju estart is bad design. TM is good but so few are made and now got distribution problems. Beta got best of everything and a 6 month warranty
You guys don’t understand how hard it is to get a tm or reiju which is a old gas gas
Hell 3 of the 5 are the same bike.
Pick your colour shoot out… ???
@@jorjimaco5331 I've got a KTM 300 XC-W. Poor choice on my part. It's a terrible desert bike.
tm racing ????? rieju???? Where are they ? 😂
@LW You bought a Hard Enduro Machine for Desert riding. You should have ATLEAST gone for a 300xc. But probably a 450xc or 500 xc would have been best
@Joshua Van Zuydam I know. It was a bad purchase. I watched a guy and he was riding in areas similar to mine and was praising that bike. I hadn't been on a 2 stroke in almost a decade and it sounded awesome. Bad move. Should have stuck with 450X's.
Just curious to know why the TM EN 300 was left out of this
We weren't able to get one from TM in time for this test.
@@cyclenews Should have tested the ktm 300 xc as well as the other bikes in the test. One more would not have hurt. Then you could have at least had one tbi bike in the mix.
Tm 300????????
Can’t compare the TM 300 EN. Only one with aluminum frame. 😂
Don't forget the YZ250X. Easily upgradable to 300cc when the bore wears out. The yz will spend much less time in the shop too.
I prefer steel framed bikes. More comfortable to ride. KTM, Sherco, and Beta all know what they're doing.
Mr pro 300 2-stroke rieju more bang for your buck
I miss the Rieju
TX300 TBI for sure
Where’s the Rieju 300 Pro?
Best 300 of the bunch.
YES, ready my comment
All great bikes - they got it right, KTM is the best IMO. The other bikes are right there by an inch...and better than KTM for other riders. We are lucky to have such great two strokes when environmentalists are trying to kill them all.
You got it
In 2016 I got rid of my faithful 450X for a 300 XC-W. I ride in the Mojave desert. This was a huge mistake. Should have got a new 450X.
Does the wet weight include gas, or just oil/coolant?
We measured with fuel ready to ride.