He lost everything cause in 1899 Arthur was right he been telling him and he ignored him cause Micah kept haunting him in his ear Arthur would of been alive RN if he didn't had tb but YK he was a bad man he always thought he was but around him PPL think differently about him @bernasrp
@@dopeloyal as in the trolley robbery correct? Because it always seems he gets more irritable afterwards, btw excuse me I'm through my first playthrough so I haven't beat the game yet
Really makes Dutchs' suicide a lot more sad. Shows that in his last moments he remembered Arthur, And probably remembered that everything Arthur tried to tell him back in 1899 was right, But he was only just realising that years later
Man they managed to connect the 2 games masterfully to where Arthur feels like he's still remembered/mentioned in RDR1 when at the time of it's release, he never existed at all
While I do think that it’s reasonable to assume they had *some* kind of idea for a second game, there’s also no chance they had it this fleshed out. But when you connect two stories like that, you just know there’s good writers on board. Worried for Rockstars future.
I’ve always had a feeling the with RDR1 they must have had an idea to keep in mind about another character they would never directly mention, but played a big part in the characters’ lives.
RDR2 taught us, Dutch's planes don't always work out. As Hosea said before the Heist "Every Problem we had... Was because we didn't execute properly" 😂
“We can’t fight change” that line alone is crazy. Especially knowing how he always tried living his life as an outlaw. He was basically the last of his kind of a western relic. Being pushed aside for the new age of man to become more civilized. That’s why he was always on the run, he couldn’t escape the inevitable. Brilliant that I think about it.
Ikr. It's insane to hear him say that in 1911, meanwhile he wouldn't even hear it back in 1899, when Arthur was telling him the same damn things. "We weren't the ones that changed", "we got sloppier than the town drunk", "we're thieves in a world that don't want us around no more." In the end, Dutch finally gives into the truth. That the world he was born into was not the same as the one he was currently existing in. The west was dying. Maybe the next couple of decades might see a few range wars and smaller criminal outfits like Bonnie and Clyde, but soon battles for land and money would be fought with pen strokes and lawyers, not guns and horses. And those who raged against the changes would be hunted by far tougher federal agencies than just the private Pinkerton agency. But Dutch's failure as a leader and person to see that and adapt, and the failure to care for those under him, leads to all his best friends being killed or betraying him as he loses his mind. I don't think Dutch started out as a bad person, but the constant losses and fights he undertook made him increasingly paranoid, and people like Micah just fed it. Until he couldn't trust or care about anything anymore.
@Crazycar 401 well fucking said. A story about men outrunning the inevitable of time. It would be cool for if we got a red dead redemption 3 where its now 1925 and the outlaws must become more like a mafia...maybe a what if type of game.
@@Slimpicken Either that or a third game where we play as Jack fighting as a hired gun in a range war. Jack has had a front row seat to the death of the old West. Now he has one to the birth of the new. For those who find themselves in an ever changing world, they choose to fight it with a mixture of new and old ways. Lawyers and court orders in town and masked gunmen sneaking through the forests by night would win the day for the craftiest rancher. Pretty much a lot of influence would come from shows like Yellowstone/1923 for this lol. Jack basically is a surviving relic of those old ways, learning to cope with the new world. Actually thinking about it, Jack himself might turn Beecher's Hope from a minor ranch to a major regional one through the third game, instead of just as a hired gun. Alternatively, the next game could show him working for Sadie and that bounty hunter woman from RDR2 Online, bounty hunting in Mexico and South America. Or lol, the third game could be even further back in time, playing as Dutch, Hosea, or a younger Arthur, showing where the cracks in Dutch's character might have actually started. Also showing what it was like before civilization in the west. Maybe, you could make a difficult decision at the end of that last game to save the gang and change the course of their history for the better, at a costly price? Well those are just some ideas from me anyway lol. I don't even know if they'll make a third game or if it will even feature the original Van Der Linde gang.
"Arthur saved my life before he passed. I don't talk about him much...but I think about him" Dutch was thinking about him too, John...Arthur truly was the heart of the Van Der Linde Gang💔
“You can’t fight gravity” when I heard that line in the second game after playing the first game all those years ago I teared up a little bit and made me realize that you can’t fight gravity both literally and in a metaphorical sense Edit: I didn’t know I got so many likes on this comment. Thank you all for liking this comment. It’s really brightened up my day. I’m sorry for the grammar.
It would be cool if they released a making of and had blooper reels cause you know them voice actors had to have said stuff like that ever now and then
Imma make this more depressing, watch: In Dutch’s insanity, that he’s clearly aware of, in his final moments the reason why he is making the same monologue as back in the past is because deep down he understood and regretted everything. His insanity is only trying to drown the pain. And as a result, in his final moments he is freed, and trying to re-enact a moment from back in the days when he has his ‘son’ Arthur by his side. With those tearful puppy eyes of his that you can see during his last words. Clearly understanding everything that went wrong, and obviously loving Arthur, he is sending himself off the same way as when he made it out with his son Arthur before. Thinking of him being right by his side. ❤️
I think all the more reason he did this was also just seeing that cliff and seeing john in the same place. Even though john betrayed him in the end, he is still his son and reminded him of a moment with his other more favorote son 💔
Malditos escritores de RDR2 hicieron todo lo posible para conectar ambos juegos de la manera más triste posible. Al final nos mostraron el último momento de vida y lucides de Dutch recreando uno de sus úiltimos buenos tiempos con su hijo. De un simple lider de una antigua pandilla del viejo oeste destrozado por el paso del tiempo y su inminente final, a un padre que en su último dia de vida aceptó y comprendió las palabras que le dijo su hijo antes de morir.
Aurthur morgan has to be one of the best executed retcons in history he feels like he was always a crucial part of the story even though he wasnt in the first game
@@wiwopkxmapknt6251 you were just saying what? You didn’t correct anything you didn’t really have anything to say and yet you said it, adding something to a prequel that changes meanings in the first thing is called a retcon, the once faceless nameless characters now have a name and face, recon definition “ a piece of new information that imposes a different interpretation on previously described events” red dead 2 is the peice of information that explains the reason why the first game happened, if you ever wondered hmm, i wonder why johns gang fell apart, red dead 2 is the answer to that question thus Arthur and the entirety of the game is a retcon
No, Dutch ruined the gang, after Hosea's death, he changed and went crazy, he forgot his owns rules and only matter get safe himself and the goddamn money. Micah just awake quickly this with his ideas but Dutch always been like that
@@leoescobar8099 Brother after Hosea death Micah became his sidehand and make him do all the bad decisions those decisions were not bad at all but Micah was teaming with Milton and told him about every plan Which made the gang members to fell and then the gang to ruined
@@KILLER--__-- nah Dutch always had the shit decisions, he would always argue with hosea and even win the arguments by saying “what choice do I have.” Dutch went crazy and started to ruin the gang when he killed the innocent girl at the boat incident which is why they ran and nearly got the group killed in the snow during the first set of missions.
@@goatballhandler11 had to play the game again finished it again just recently Dutch just slowly began showing his true colors and or becoming a true asshole and Micah was just adding fumes to the flame
Jumping off a 40 foot cliff into a river with my right hand man would be an unforgettable moment, and a final reminiscing moment before death to give one last thought of clarity.
At the end it shows that he remembered everything the gang did for him and how he got so many young people killed Lenny, Sean all of them even Mrs grimshaw and he didn't want to fight it out with John bc then he realized he was wrong all that time so he gave up and killed himself like him and Arthur jumped off a cliff years before
It’s honestly quite ironic in a sense. Dutch’s speech with Arthur next to him was almost the same thing, only it was about how long he’ll continue to fight nature, and never be forced to change. His speech to John was how he was done fighting change, as he had done so in the most downhill way possible. He accepts that he’s going to die, and wants John to know that despite everything, he may as well go out on his own terms, even if he was still forced to.
i love how Rockstar adds meaning to lines like this from RDR1 its soooo good. they did it a few times in RDR2, like how in the end john meets dutch in the mountains, and in RDR1 he has a throw away line at the cliffs there saying how "they have to stop meeting like this" love RDR2
He was reliving the moment in his life that really stuck with him, when he should've realized he was wrong but didn't, his subconscious telling him "this is the moment you fucked up " and him speaking out that moment, it's the depiction of him losing his mind, he's letting go of his sanity , he gave up trying to control his thoughts because he realized that the one who betrayed him was himself , all the pride blinded him from see the reality of what was really happening and he didn't want to see that hence the gravity and nature quote, leading him to a life of endulgence and sin. And that's really the worst thing anyone can do to themselves, like many of us nowadays, life should be a balance in order to be peace, politicians are only chaos creators as we've been seeing since the time of the Roman's, we just let them take complete control by making us dumb ass and yet people choose not to see that which is scary to me, people are allowed literally by law to basically create they're own reality (or so they think they can) but in reality it's all an illusion to hide the truth . Yall know what I'm talking about and if yall don't, what's been happening the past couple of years(2-4), Would've never crossed any of our minds to see happen withing maybe 30 or Even more and other things like the crazy laws being created should've never even been mentioned in congress, it's just really bizarre to see our destruction and yall like that. (Gender role laws and all the crap that split people apart) I feel like Dutch actually I feel like no one saw that in the end the story was about Dutch more than anything we were just seeing the point of the victim that stuck with him for the rest of his remaining life which was Arthur, this is what makes this game the best I have ever played. we're supposed to think and see the bigger picture of what ur choice create and where they can take us or away from us. Life is karma life is Ying yang. Life is a balance that should be in equilibrium, if it's not it'll find the way back to its natural state, like the stars that's why they shine and when they're not in equilibrium they self destruct. Everything is a cycle in life . The meaning to the game is just so great to actually put into a simple sentence, for me, like life, like love, happiness and vengeful hated
Man, i played Red Dead 2 first, when i played 1 and got to Dutch's suicide, i actually thought he was gonna jump and land on water, like the second game. When i noticed there was no water below that mountain, i noticed the water in my eyes.
I love how Dutch in 1899 used to tell people that they can't fight but he can but in his last moments he realised that neither can he fight Nature, change nor Gravity.
Can't say there are many video game sequels that not only surpass the first game, but actually enhance the characters and story of it. Replaying RDR1 was never the same after playing 2. It really made the experience much more impactful and emotional. Truly something special.
Dutch really was an awesome character ofc he was nowhere near perfect but for the most part (in the beginning at least) he did the best he could and saved lives of many people. Who knows how short lived Arthur, Javier, John and more lives could have been. You see that being a leader in any role, movie, game, real life and all they have a lot of pressure and get critiqued the most out of all the characters. They have a lot on their shoulders, at the end of the day he had a good heart ❤️ he was an amazing character
Dutch is the guy to live long enough to see himself become the villian. He was never the best of people but he had soul. In Rdr1 he is just another leader of a pointless gang.
In the camp you can find a paper that shows dutch writes down and recites his speeches. Kinda crazy thinking about how he thought of this one in a similair situation
I actually think he was speaking from the heart. Given his relationship with Arthur… He uses the same words but his heart said something very different.
I’ve seen a few people already say it but man this makes rdr1 hit way harder. Right when Dutch realized it was over, for real this time, he remember Arthur.
In his final moments, he remembered Arthur. Remembered the plan that saved both of them, and reenacted it to a T, only this time it ended with his demise. Dutch is a bona-fide piece of crap but damn it he was so tragic.
Crazy idea to make a sequel a prequel, but it worked. First time playing RDR all of those years ago, I despised Dutch. Now, it just breaks my heart seeing what happened to him.
Honestly the *only* option they had for RDR2 was a prequel tho, imo. There really was no way to make it a chronological sequel, given the first game is literally about the fall of the old west. Plus, world war 1 begins at the end of the first game, and there was really nothing left of the “Wild West” after world war 1 ended irl. A direct sequel to Red Dead Redemption would just be a call of duty game, given how likely it would end up that Jack fights in WW1. The only logical conclusion was to explain how the gang ended up that way.
made sense to make the sequel a prequel for this game in RD1 their was a lot of backstory between John and his old gang that we never saw. there were always this "hey remember back in the day we were this or did that" moments now we understand why
in rdr1 he sounds truly defeated, like hes given up, while in rdr2 he sounds like hes still got a trick up his sleeve. its a great detail
the fact that in 1914 gangsters werent the same like in 1800s
That's the point the op was making.@bernardorp7
He lost everything cause in 1899 Arthur was right he been telling him and he ignored him cause Micah kept haunting him in his ear Arthur would of been alive RN if he didn't had tb but YK he was a bad man he always thought he was but around him PPL think differently about him @bernasrp
@@kledithepro7794new gangsters were coming in..
@@Ishbikes Peaky Blinders
That shows he was thinking about Arthur
,,This is a good one"
Arthurs character wasnt even conceived whilst red dead 1 was made
@@broughton1835 conceived 👌
@@broughton1835 yeah he was. He was only a concept though
Real talk right there 🔥
the way Dutch talks, the voice actor is brilliant.
actor did mocap too for dutch. so thats the real voice actor, acting it out in real time aswell. same goes for all characters
@@vividsights5244 pretty sure we all knew that
@@carl_consumer.of.reality doubt it but okay chief
@@vividsights5244 the same voice actor did do some mocap for dutch
W pfp
Dutch was a prime example of what happens when you trust the wrong people, and not the right ones”
Dutch got brain damage he changed after he hit his head.
@@dopeloyal as in the trolley robbery correct? Because it always seems he gets more irritable afterwards, btw excuse me I'm through my first playthrough so I haven't beat the game yet
@@sethfranklin8079then don't watch RDR content, it's for your own good
@@prska it's fine now, I beat it great story that game tells!!
@@sethfranklin8079 ah alright then, yeah it was a damn masterpiece
Really makes Dutchs' suicide a lot more sad. Shows that in his last moments he remembered Arthur, And probably remembered that everything Arthur tried to tell him back in 1899 was right, But he was only just realising that years later
I thought Dutch realized Arthur was right just after Arthur and Micah fought.
@@bluejayredemption6462 No, I think he was just too in shock that his entire gang fell apart, To the point that they were trying to kill each other
Facts man 🔥
@@PLANDerLinde99 and maybe he was shocked when he realized he is letting the person he knew since Arthur was 13, Arthur, die
Arthur wasent even a written character before rdr2 but it fits in so well like it was always supposed to happen
Man they managed to connect the 2 games masterfully to where Arthur feels like he's still remembered/mentioned in RDR1 when at the time of it's release, he never existed at all
While I do think that it’s reasonable to assume they had *some* kind of idea for a second game, there’s also no chance they had it this fleshed out. But when you connect two stories like that, you just know there’s good writers on board. Worried for Rockstars future.
He actually kinda was they wrote rd1 & rd2 back to back so he was written.
@Matt if they ever make a RDR1 remaster or a RDR3 I hope they bring him one more time.
I’ve always had a feeling the with RDR1 they must have had an idea to keep in mind about another character they would never directly mention, but played a big part in the characters’ lives.
Crazy I didn’t even know he had some of the same lines
It's quite sad because Dutch survived the same way he died
With a plan :(
And some god dam faith
Just goes to show what he said is right You can’t fight change, you can’t fight gravity
@@jason1109 yeah…
@@jason1109 did he ever make it to Tahiti?..
Rdr1 Dutch as he's falling: Damn I could have sworn there was a river here.
God damn, I laughed way more than I ever should of 😂
RDR2 taught us, Dutch's planes don't
always work out. As Hosea said before the Heist "Every Problem we had... Was because we didn't execute properly" 😂
Dutch falling thinking: CHILONIA!!!!!!!
“We can’t fight change” that line alone is crazy. Especially knowing how he always tried living his life as an outlaw. He was basically the last of his kind of a western relic. Being pushed aside for the new age of man to become more civilized. That’s why he was always on the run, he couldn’t escape the inevitable. Brilliant that I think about it.
Ikr. It's insane to hear him say that in 1911, meanwhile he wouldn't even hear it back in 1899, when Arthur was telling him the same damn things. "We weren't the ones that changed", "we got sloppier than the town drunk", "we're thieves in a world that don't want us around no more." In the end, Dutch finally gives into the truth. That the world he was born into was not the same as the one he was currently existing in. The west was dying. Maybe the next couple of decades might see a few range wars and smaller criminal outfits like Bonnie and Clyde, but soon battles for land and money would be fought with pen strokes and lawyers, not guns and horses. And those who raged against the changes would be hunted by far tougher federal agencies than just the private Pinkerton agency. But Dutch's failure as a leader and person to see that and adapt, and the failure to care for those under him, leads to all his best friends being killed or betraying him as he loses his mind. I don't think Dutch started out as a bad person, but the constant losses and fights he undertook made him increasingly paranoid, and people like Micah just fed it. Until he couldn't trust or care about anything anymore.
@Crazycar 401 well fucking said. A story about men outrunning the inevitable of time. It would be cool for if we got a red dead redemption 3 where its now 1925 and the outlaws must become more like a mafia...maybe a what if type of game.
@@Slimpicken Either that or a third game where we play as Jack fighting as a hired gun in a range war. Jack has had a front row seat to the death of the old West. Now he has one to the birth of the new. For those who find themselves in an ever changing world, they choose to fight it with a mixture of new and old ways. Lawyers and court orders in town and masked gunmen sneaking through the forests by night would win the day for the craftiest rancher. Pretty much a lot of influence would come from shows like Yellowstone/1923 for this lol. Jack basically is a surviving relic of those old ways, learning to cope with the new world. Actually thinking about it, Jack himself might turn Beecher's Hope from a minor ranch to a major regional one through the third game, instead of just as a hired gun.
Alternatively, the next game could show him working for Sadie and that bounty hunter woman from RDR2 Online, bounty hunting in Mexico and South America.
Or lol, the third game could be even further back in time, playing as Dutch, Hosea, or a younger Arthur, showing where the cracks in Dutch's character might have actually started. Also showing what it was like before civilization in the west. Maybe, you could make a difficult decision at the end of that last game to save the gang and change the course of their history for the better, at a costly price?
Well those are just some ideas from me anyway lol. I don't even know if they'll make a third game or if it will even feature the original Van Der Linde gang.
@@crazycar4015 that’s a good idea. Another cool one would be if the third one switched between Arthur, John and Jack in past to present style
That’s why we all hate society along with Dutch
"I got a plan"
“You always got a plan Dutch”
@@porkbacon07 ''This is a good one.'' *Throws pistol*
"This is a good one."
“I don’t doubt it”
“We just need some money”
I love how the writers took the time to create parallels between the games just to make scenes in the first one hit so much harder
"Arthur saved my life before he passed. I don't talk about him much...but I think about him"
Dutch was thinking about him too, John...Arthur truly was the heart of the Van Der Linde Gang💔
Fr
Dutch was the charisma.
Arthur was the heart.
Hosea was the brain.
John was the hightailing wolf bait.
@@RedNightFoxArthur was the muscle.
@@user-ov1ro1yg9tThe heart is the muscle that sustains life.
Dutch said I have a plan even when he didn't had one.
Dutch in a nutshell
His plan was to jump off
his plan was to jump because he did it with arthur
his plan was to kill himself.
@@rileymillican2273 did what 💀💀💀
the last moment before Dutch die , he thinking about Arthur
“You can’t fight gravity” when I heard that line in the second game after playing the first game all those years ago I teared up a little bit and made me realize that you can’t fight gravity both literally and in a metaphorical sense
Edit: I didn’t know I got so many likes on this comment. Thank you all for liking this comment. It’s really brightened up my day. I’m sorry for the grammar.
Too bad john didnt know about the flying machines before the dutch encounter
That was not metaphorical
Bro whyyyyyy did you have to mention the likes 🤦🏼♂️ I gave you a dislike instead
"but dutch, those birds fight gravity"
- good ending
😂😂
This shouldn't have made me laugh so hard lol
Always doubting 😡
It would be cool if they released a making of and had blooper reels cause you know them voice actors had to have said stuff like that ever now and then
Those birds they left us. Left us to fly. Lol
Imma make this more depressing, watch:
In Dutch’s insanity, that he’s clearly aware of, in his final moments the reason why he is making the same monologue as back in the past is because deep down he understood and regretted everything. His insanity is only trying to drown the pain. And as a result, in his final moments he is freed, and trying to re-enact a moment from back in the days when he has his ‘son’ Arthur by his side. With those tearful puppy eyes of his that you can see during his last words.
Clearly understanding everything that went wrong, and obviously loving Arthur, he is sending himself off the same way as when he made it out with his son Arthur before. Thinking of him being right by his side. ❤️
You did make it more depressing.
"Imma make this more depressing, watch"
Lmao, but you did
Ouuuu I’m abt to start crying….
I think all the more reason he did this was also just seeing that cliff and seeing john in the same place. Even though john betrayed him in the end, he is still his son and reminded him of a moment with his other more favorote son 💔
Malditos escritores de RDR2 hicieron todo lo posible para conectar ambos juegos de la manera más triste posible. Al final nos mostraron el último momento de vida y lucides de Dutch recreando uno de sus úiltimos buenos tiempos con su hijo. De un simple lider de una antigua pandilla del viejo oeste destrozado por el paso del tiempo y su inminente final, a un padre que en su último dia de vida aceptó y comprendió las palabras que le dijo su hijo antes de morir.
Aurthur morgan has to be one of the best executed retcons in history he feels like he was always a crucial part of the story even though he wasnt in the first game
Not really a retcon
@@wiwopkxmapknt6251 okay mr dictionary find me the proper word on my year old post then
@@tastyjoe4169 bruh I was just saying stop being butt hurt
@@wiwopkxmapknt6251 you were just saying what? You didn’t correct anything you didn’t really have anything to say and yet you said it, adding something to a prequel that changes meanings in the first thing is called a retcon, the once faceless nameless characters now have a name and face, recon definition “ a piece of new information that imposes a different interpretation on previously described events” red dead 2 is the peice of information that explains the reason why the first game happened, if you ever wondered hmm, i wonder why johns gang fell apart, red dead 2 is the answer to that question thus Arthur and the entirety of the game is a retcon
@@tastyjoe4169 ok buddy 😂
My heart spills for this scene. I cried when I understood where he was coming from. He was remembering Arthur right before he died
Story telling was done so well in these games. Master pieces. GTA is fun but these games get you right in the feels and pull you in.
@@mischa23nope Red Deads way more better
tell me about hitting the feelings.. Arthurs death or even Arthur giving a final goodbye to his horse was a heartbreaking moment for me
Comparing gta to red dead is like comparing comedy shows to oscar-worthy drama movies
Micah really ruined the gang
No, Dutch ruined the gang, after Hosea's death, he changed and went crazy, he forgot his owns rules and only matter get safe himself and the goddamn money. Micah just awake quickly this with his ideas but Dutch always been like that
@@leoescobar8099 Brother after Hosea death Micah became his sidehand and make him do all the bad decisions those decisions were not bad at all but Micah was teaming with Milton and told him about every plan
Which made the gang members to fell and then the gang to ruined
@@KILLER--__-- nah Dutch always had the shit decisions, he would always argue with hosea and even win the arguments by saying “what choice do I have.” Dutch went crazy and started to ruin the gang when he killed the innocent girl at the boat incident which is why they ran and nearly got the group killed in the snow during the first set of missions.
No man not at all
Gang ruined itself ngl
@@goatballhandler11 had to play the game again finished it again just recently Dutch just slowly began showing his true colors and or becoming a true asshole and Micah was just adding fumes to the flame
"You either die a hero, or live long enough to see yourself become the villain" - Harvey Dent
Arthur tried to warn Dutch from the beginning.
I'm fking tired of hearing that shit
Dude, I never even realized this. Wow. What a reference.
The moment dutch broke free of his insanity and realized he betrayed Arthur and was doing the same thing over again with John
Yeah at least he accepted it and just jumped off instead of trying to screw over John get again, RIP
If you don’t jump the army gets confused as hell 😂
Yeah Dutch is like " come on Arthur...JUMP ! JUMP !"
Jumping off a 40 foot cliff into a river with my right hand man would be an unforgettable moment, and a final reminiscing moment before death to give one last thought of clarity.
At the end it shows that he remembered everything the gang did for him and how he got so many young people killed Lenny, Sean all of them even Mrs grimshaw and he didn't want to fight it out with John bc then he realized he was wrong all that time so he gave up and killed himself like him and Arthur jumped off a cliff years before
I got ridiculously excited during that speech in RDR2. 😂 "He's saying the thing!"
Goddamn this game is beautiful. In every way. Forever my favorite.
It’s honestly quite ironic in a sense.
Dutch’s speech with Arthur next to him was almost the same thing, only it was about how long he’ll continue to fight nature, and never be forced to change. His speech to John was how he was done fighting change, as he had done so in the most downhill way possible. He accepts that he’s going to die, and wants John to know that despite everything, he may as well go out on his own terms, even if he was still forced to.
i love how Rockstar adds meaning to lines like this from RDR1 its soooo good. they did it a few times in RDR2, like how in the end john meets dutch in the mountains, and in RDR1 he has a throw away line at the cliffs there saying how "they have to stop meeting like this"
love RDR2
He was reliving the moment in his life that really stuck with him, when he should've realized he was wrong but didn't, his subconscious telling him "this is the moment you fucked up " and him speaking out that moment, it's the depiction of him losing his mind, he's letting go of his sanity , he gave up trying to control his thoughts because he realized that the one who betrayed him was himself , all the pride blinded him from see the reality of what was really happening and he didn't want to see that hence the gravity and nature quote, leading him to a life of endulgence and sin. And that's really the worst thing anyone can do to themselves, like many of us nowadays, life should be a balance in order to be peace, politicians are only chaos creators as we've been seeing since the time of the Roman's, we just let them take complete control by making us dumb ass and yet people choose not to see that which is scary to me, people are allowed literally by law to basically create they're own reality (or so they think they can) but in reality it's all an illusion to hide the truth . Yall know what I'm talking about and if yall don't, what's been happening the past couple of years(2-4), Would've never crossed any of our minds to see happen withing maybe 30 or Even more and other things like the crazy laws being created should've never even been mentioned in congress, it's just really bizarre to see our destruction and yall like that. (Gender role laws and all the crap that split people apart) I feel like Dutch actually I feel like no one saw that in the end the story was about Dutch more than anything we were just seeing the point of the victim that stuck with him for the rest of his remaining life which was Arthur, this is what makes this game the best I have ever played. we're supposed to think and see the bigger picture of what ur choice create and where they can take us or away from us. Life is karma life is Ying yang. Life is a balance that should be in equilibrium, if it's not it'll find the way back to its natural state, like the stars that's why they shine and when they're not in equilibrium they self destruct. Everything is a cycle in life . The meaning to the game is just so great to actually put into a simple sentence, for me, like life, like love, happiness and vengeful hated
You can bend the laws of physics. Like life. It will twist but once you can't hold it. It WILL snap back.
Rockstar has to be up there as one of or the best video game company in the world
They’re pieces of shit. But damn can they make a good story
Easily
It is, too bad certain people just blindly hate them because they didn't get a specific gameplay mechanic lol
You always got a plan, Dutch
Man that hits hard after playing RDR2 & RDR1
Man, i played Red Dead 2 first, when i played 1 and got to Dutch's suicide, i actually thought he was gonna jump and land on water, like the second game. When i noticed there was no water below that mountain, i noticed the water in my eyes.
He can't fight gravity like we can't.
simply the deepest and most emotion stirring games i’ve ever played
I always feel like rdr1 sounds and feels more like an old tv show, and then rdr2 is like living in it
He was probably thinking about Arthur. He realised he was right all along but now it was too late, so he didn’t want to be hanged
Arthur never left his mind
Imagine being part of the death of the man you raised as your son. And then living many more years after...
I love how Dutch in 1899 used to tell people that they can't fight but he can but in his last moments he realised that neither can he fight Nature, change nor Gravity.
" I got a plan, John. I just need 2 trillion in taxpayer dollars."
- a wise badger
This makes Dutch's death even more sad with this plot twist😢😢
This would’ve made a lot more sense to me had I played the first game 😭
2nd game takes place before the 1st
I got goosebumps hearing that in Rdr2, it sounded too familiar
Can't say there are many video game sequels that not only surpass the first game, but actually enhance the characters and story of it. Replaying RDR1 was never the same after playing 2. It really made the experience much more impactful and emotional. Truly something special.
In the end he remembered Arthur trying to tell him in 1899 to not trust Micah
And both times Dutch says "You can't fight gravity" and falls down a tall cliff
Every cutscene with Dutch in RDR1 is goated
Rest in peace Dutch. We will miss you.😞
Not really
@@randomyoutubeuser3918 how dare u u would probably be Micah if u were in the story line TRAITOR
@@randomyoutubeuser3918 we will miss the good times with dutch and camp when they all were alive :)
Dutch really was an awesome character ofc he was nowhere near perfect but for the most part (in the beginning at least) he did the best he could and saved lives of many people. Who knows how short lived Arthur, Javier, John and more lives could have been. You see that being a leader in any role, movie, game, real life and all they have a lot of pressure and get critiqued the most out of all the characters. They have a lot on their shoulders, at the end of the day he had a good heart ❤️ he was an amazing character
Dutch went out like that Chelonian Master- off a cliff. And both guys led their followers to their untimely deaths.
“Our time is over… John”
Dutch's character and his story are so poetic.
Only if they survive...
Arthur, Dutch, John and Hosea, the boys
Beautiful how well they managed to weave the games together 😢
Damnnnnnn I never knew they’d connected the dialogue ..... so spectacularly awesome
Wish John was much more emotional towards Dutch in that final scene, after RDR2 that speech is just incredibly sad to watch.
John wasn’t there when Dutch said it in RDR2 so John wouldn’t understand that it’s a callback
@@Synpathetix didn’t mean that scene, meant the whole journey of RDR2 and prior history
@@iJayx ah gotcha
They can still do that in the rumored remake/remaster
I take that back.
This means he would have been thinking about arthur just before he died...
Wouldve been even more sad to see the comparison of when he jumps with arthur and jumps alone
I never realized this. Thank you for making that correlation and putting this together!
Dutch is the guy to live long enough to see himself become the villian. He was never the best of people but he had soul. In Rdr1 he is just another leader of a pointless gang.
My whole life I never paid my barber
Damn I just realized this
Shit, its crazy how its the same speech but given in two different contexts has totally different meanings
In the camp you can find a paper that shows dutch writes down and recites his speeches. Kinda crazy thinking about how he thought of this one in a similair situation
I definitely did not cry you can tell in those last moments he remembered Arthur now hes with him ❤️🩹🕊️
The first time I played red dead redemption 2 I listened to his speech and I knew it sounded familiar
This moment was fan service 😂😂😂
When I heard we can’t fight nature in rd2 I almost started to cry
Cried many a time in rdr2
Micah died thinking John was Abraham Lincoln
Are time has passed… John
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Holy crap I didn’t realize the comparison!!! He was thinking of arthur at this moment
Sort of hurts to know that he was following a speech and not speaking form the heart to John in his final moments
Maybe he was having a senior moment
I actually think he was speaking from the heart. Given his relationship with Arthur… He uses the same words but his heart said something very different.
I always knew this was a foreshadowing
I know they made a reference in rdr2 but tbh they hadn't thought about Arthur
It made me cry from nostalgia 😢
I hate my life, I related to everything Dutch said on a personal level.
Everything will be okay brother, everything will be better. Assalam Alaikum.
@@hassanwaqar1883 thank you, I appreciate the sentiment!
You won’t stay in the bad spot forever bro 🤝
it's not yourself you hate but your surroundings. stick up for your values and help people who share your values.
Become better. I know it’s stupid but I think it’s actually a good advice. Stop watching these videos and crying, get up and do something, anything
The Dutch character is one of the best characters in the gaming world
Agreed
if dutch jumped off a cliff, his gang would too. at least before he went crazy
I’ve seen a few people already say it but man this makes rdr1 hit way harder. Right when Dutch realized it was over, for real this time, he remember Arthur.
Even if Dutch didn’t jump off the cliff I know John couldn’t bring himself to kill Dutch I’m 100% sure
Love how they added that detail
Crazy to think the super charismatic guy that is Dutch Van der Linde has a go to final speech 😂
When I saw this part of RDR2 I knew it was shoehorned in to connect it to Dutch's final scene.
In his final moments, he remembered Arthur. Remembered the plan that saved both of them, and reenacted it to a T, only this time it ended with his demise. Dutch is a bona-fide piece of crap but damn it he was so tragic.
This shows that he was always the same person, he was found out for who he truest was just like John said.
Crazy idea to make a sequel a prequel, but it worked. First time playing RDR all of those years ago, I despised Dutch. Now, it just breaks my heart seeing what happened to him.
Honestly the *only* option they had for RDR2 was a prequel tho, imo. There really was no way to make it a chronological sequel, given the first game is literally about the fall of the old west. Plus, world war 1 begins at the end of the first game, and there was really nothing left of the “Wild West” after world war 1 ended irl. A direct sequel to Red Dead Redemption would just be a call of duty game, given how likely it would end up that Jack fights in WW1. The only logical conclusion was to explain how the gang ended up that way.
made sense to make the sequel a prequel for this game in RD1 their was a lot of backstory between John and his old gang that we never saw. there were always this "hey remember back in the day we were this or did that" moments now we understand why
Dutch remembered arthur
Sometimes I wanna hug Dutch lmao
That’s crazy! I didn’t know those scenes were influenced by each other I thought it seemed familiar when jumping off that cliff
Damm Duch 😔
"You can't fight gravity" then throws himself down the cliff...
This edit is beautiful, I’ve watched at least a dozen times already.
When he says gravity I hit the button
Dutch showed us that we really can't fight gravity.
prequel done right, gives whole new meaning to the og
Rdr2: you cant fight gravity😅
Rdr: you cant fight gravity😔
i’ve been waiting to see someone do this edit , it deserves so much more liked